1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. 2 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the 3 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Monday. And there's not 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: probably gonna be any politics this hour. If there is, 5 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 2: it'll be in a little while. I'm sorry, because well, 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 2: we'll get to the Pam Bondi stuff next hour. We're 7 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: gonna get we'll talk about some cultural Marxism issues next 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 2: hour because of something that's been happening in America. I'll 9 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: get to all that, just not yet, because it's time 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: for Medal of Honor Monday. And after Medal of Honor Monday, 11 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: I should say, kind of around Medal of Honor Monday, 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: we're gonna do another little history tale. I'm gonna walk 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: our way through a huge w W two battle and 14 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: we're WLD War two, and I think you'll find it interesting, 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: not one of the ones a lot of people know 16 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 2: a lot about, but man, an ugly, ugly affair. But 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: before we get there, we are going to do what 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 2: we always do on Monday at this time, and that's 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: where're gonna We're gonna take a Medal of Honor citation 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: and we're gonna read it. That's it. We're gonna read 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: about this hero, about his deeds. After I'm done reading it, 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 2: we're gonna go right into the history story and learn 23 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: more about the battles surrounding it. This particular gentleman was 24 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: born in Middlesex County, Massachusetts. His name is George John Hall. 25 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: George J. Hall, Staff sergeant in the United States Army. So, 26 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 2: without further ado, hey. 27 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: Honoring those who went above and beyond. It's Medal of 28 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: Honor Monday. 29 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life, 30 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: above and beyond the call of duty. Attacking across flat, 31 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: open terrain under direct enemy observation, Staff Sergeant Hall's company 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: was pinned down by grazing fire from three enemy machine 33 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: guns and harassing sniper fire. Staff Sergeant Hall volunteered to 34 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 2: eliminate these obstacles in the path of advance. Crawling along 35 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: a plowed furrow through furious machine gun fire, he made 36 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: his way to a point within hand grenade range of 37 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 2: one of the enemy positions. He pounded the enemy with 38 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: four hand grenades, and when the smoke had died away, 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 2: Staff Sergeant Hall in two dead Germans occupied the position 40 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: while four of the enemy were crawling back to our 41 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: lines as prisoners. Discovering a quantity of German potato masher 42 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 2: grenades in the position, Staff Sergeant Hall engaged the second 43 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: enemy nest in a deadly exchange of grenades. Each time 44 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: he exposed himself to throw a grenade, the Germans fired 45 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: machine gun bursts at him. The vicious duel finally ended 46 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: in Staff Sergeant Hall's favor, with five of the enemies 47 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 2: surrendered and five others lay dead. Turning his attention to 48 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: the third machine gun, Staff Sergeant Hall left his position 49 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: and crawled along a furrow, the enemy firing fanatically in 50 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: an effort to halt him. As he neared his final objective, 51 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: and enemy artillery concentration fell on the area, and Staff 52 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: Sergeant Hall's right leg was severed by a shell burst. 53 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 2: With two enemy machine guns eliminated, his company was able 54 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 2: to flank the third in continue its advance without incurring 55 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: excessive casualties. Staff Sergeant Hall's fearlessness, his determined fighting spirit, 56 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: and his prodigious combat skill exemplify the heroic tradition of 57 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: the American infantryman. And don't worry, that's it. He didn't die, 58 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: all right, I know everyone waits that the on to 59 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 2: those things. Look, hey, I do too. The second I'm 60 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: going through them, I skip to the end. Did this 61 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: guy die? Because they almost all die, right, and then 62 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: we have to play taps and we have to be 63 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: sad he didn't die. Now, do you believe in the 64 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 2: concept of cursed ground, that there are locations on the 65 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 2: planet that are simply cursed? Chris does not. Chris does not. Corey. 66 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: Do you believe in the concept of cursed ground? Corey 67 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: doesn't believe in it either, what a couple of cynics. 68 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: I do, and I don't even understand really what I 69 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 2: mean by that, except there are places on this Earth 70 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: that appear to be the location of way more human 71 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: suffering than other places on the Earth, and some places 72 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 2: that can be easily explained. For instance, if you said 73 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: Istanbul formerly Constantinople, if you said that was cursed ground 74 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: because lots of people have died there, well I would 75 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: probably argue with you and say, well, that's such a 76 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 2: geographically perfect location that of course nations are going to 77 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: fight over that location, and of course people will die there, 78 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: So that would be that would explain it, right, doesn't 79 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: explain Haiti Haiti was some of the worst slavery in 80 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: this hemisphere, and after they ended that, it somehow got 81 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: even worse. Curse ground and it certainly doesn't explain a 82 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: place called Antium in the ancient world, or better known 83 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: as Anzio in the modern world. You've heard of Nero, correct, 84 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 2: that evil Roman emperor? You know he was from Antium. 85 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: He was actually in Antium when Rome was burning. Did 86 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: you know that he was not in Rome playing the fiddle? 87 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 2: That's a historical myth. Nero was in his hometown where 88 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: he was born, Antium, as Rome burned. Who's another Roman 89 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: emperor you consider to be evil? Caligula is normally the 90 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: one everyone would name. Guess where Caligula was born, same place, Antium. 91 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 2: Now let's discuss a terrible, terrible affair that may or 92 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 2: may not have been necessary. But we'll discuss everything around 93 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: it and what happened at Anzio, and then you can 94 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: make up your own mind. I'm going to have opinions 95 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 2: about it. You don't have to share my opinions about it. 96 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: You probably shouldn't look into it yourself. Come up with 97 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: what you think. Now, let's first we have to talk 98 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: about the win. You know, I don't kill you with 99 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: details with dates and names and things like that. I 100 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 2: only give a few because details kill a story. But 101 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: what was happening at this time matters a lot, and 102 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: our minds as we look back at World War Two, 103 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: we can get all kinds of screwed up on the 104 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: timeline of World War Two, and they were just I mean, 105 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 2: especially the way the Pacific War didn't line up with 106 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: the European War, which didn't at all line up with 107 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: the Russian invasion of the Soviet It's just there's it 108 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 2: doesn't line up. But where we're at here is nineteen 109 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: forty four, and this is well Anzio takes place at 110 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: the very beginning January of nineteen forty four. Here's what 111 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: you have to understand about what is happening in the 112 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: world up to this point in time, or at this 113 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 2: point in time in nineteen forty four. First, the Soviets. 114 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: The Soviets, they officially have the Nazi army on the 115 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: run out of the Soviet Union, but on the run 116 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: probably isn't the best way to put that. Remember, the 117 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: German army in World War Two was a very fine 118 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: army led by a bunch of outstanding World War one generals. 119 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,239 Speaker 2: So it wasn't like they just turned and beat feet 120 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: back to Germany. They fought, in most cases a very 121 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: orderly withdraw, trying to fight the or trying to fight 122 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: the Soviets every step of the way as they slowly 123 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: but surely backed away from the Soviet Union. And that 124 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: is turning into a brutal slog and a brutal fight. 125 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 2: And the Germans are fighting as harder on the defensive 126 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 2: than they were on the offensives. So that's taking place there. 127 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: There's something else taking place. The invasion of Normandy hasn't 128 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: happened yet. We understand that Stalin is probably going to fail. 129 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 2: Stalin probably can't pull off his war against the Germans 130 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: without our help, without the Allies invading Europe, and that 131 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: might be the best case scenario. Meaning if Stalin can prevail, 132 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 2: then we have somebody we didn't trust, somebody we knew 133 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 2: was evil, probably taking over all of Europe, and let's 134 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: all be honest, Stalin wasn't going to give it back. 135 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: So it wasn't just that you needed Stalin's Red Army 136 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: to attack the Nazis. You couldn't allow Stalin to be 137 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: alone in his victory over the Germans. Otherwise they'll be 138 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: praying for Adolf Hitler back with Stalin. I mean, look, 139 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: they're both a picture demon, right, They're horrible. It's a 140 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: horrible We have to get into Europe. We have to 141 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 2: get into fortress Europe. They're already starting to focus on 142 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 2: places like Normandy. I will continue with the Macro and 143 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: then we'll get into it closer to the Battle of 144 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 2: Anzio in just a moment. Before I do any of 145 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,839 Speaker 2: those things, let's stop for just a moment and take 146 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 2: an honest accounting of something. It's about you, It's about 147 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: the person you love the most. If a bad man 148 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 2: comes to visit them right now, slips right in that 149 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 2: back door at home, comes up to their car in 150 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 2: the parking lot, approaches them at the gas station, can 151 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: that person can you right now stop them? I don't 152 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: want to hear about a gun you have at home, 153 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: or I'll make a phone. No no, no, no, no no. 154 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: You have about ten seconds before that violent felon wraps 155 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: his hands around your throat. Can you stop him? If 156 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: the answer to that question is though you need a 157 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: burna pistol launcher. It is non lethal, so you don't 158 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: have to stress. I don't like guns. That's fine, that's fine. 159 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: Maybe you love guns like me. I still carry a 160 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 2: burna on me everywhere. I love having a non lethal option. 161 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: But because it's non lethal, it's legal everywhere all fifty 162 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: states without a permit. You just order it. It shoots 163 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 2: a pepper ball or a tear gas ball. That daughter 164 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 2: of yours, who can't fight off the two hundred and 165 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: fifty pound barbarian, can pop him in the chest with 166 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: one of these. He lays on the ground crying. She 167 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: goes home unmolested. Ten percent off b y Rna Berna 168 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: dot com, slash Jesse Berna dot com slash Jesse. 169 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: We'll be back Truth Attitude, Jesse Kelly. 170 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday. Of course, 171 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 2: it's been an amazing money. If you miss any part 172 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 2: of the show, download the whole thing on ihard, Spotify, iTunes. 173 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 2: If you're just now joining us, congratulations, you're just catching 174 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: us at the beginning of a little bit of Monday 175 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: history that'll probably extend into Tuesday and maybe Wednesday. I've 176 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 2: no earthly idea, but it's about the Battle of Anzio 177 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: World War II. We haven't even gotten to Anzio yet, 178 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: so just stay with me. It's nineteen forty four. We 179 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 2: think of nineteen forty four as when our war, at 180 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: least in Europe is about to kick off, and that's true. 181 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,439 Speaker 2: But the war in the Pacific has been going on 182 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: for years. 183 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: The war with. 184 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: The Soviets, Soviets versus the Germans has been going on 185 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: for years. In fact, by this point in time, the 186 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: Germans are on the run, running no, but they're leaving 187 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: the Soviet Union as orderly as they can. They keep 188 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 2: trying to hang on to a little bit, losing it, 189 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: hang on to a little bit, but it is a nasty, 190 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: nasty affair going on there. We Americans and the Brits. 191 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 2: We want to get into Europe. It's time to start 192 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: fighting the Germans in Europe. Hitler and his generals are 193 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: well aware that we're trying to get into Europe. This 194 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 2: is nothing that's going to shock them. They have spies everywhere, 195 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 2: They know about our troop build up in England. They 196 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: know we're coming at some point in time. So we 197 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: have to figure out where and when do we go in, 198 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 2: and how do we ensure when we go in that 199 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 2: we're not facing every single German soldier who's not currently 200 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: fighting in the Soviet Union. Remember this was a very large, 201 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: very well equipped, well trained, and well led army. This 202 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: is a near peer. At the time, they didn't have 203 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty glasses the hindsight twenty twenty glasses we have now. 204 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: They were pretty confident in victory, but you never know. 205 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: So they had to come up with some way to 206 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: the whole Germans away from the Soviet lines and away 207 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: from Europe, from northern Europe where we were going we 208 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: were planning on coming in. Remember Normandy was June of 209 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: nineteen forty four. What I'm describing is January of nineteen 210 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: forty four. Not killing you with details, but it gives 211 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: you an idea. This is why we did what we did. 212 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 2: And so a lot of this is Churchill's idea, but 213 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to put it all on Churchill either, 214 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: whether you love it or hate the idea, or love 215 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: or hate Churchill, Italy was thought of thought of such 216 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: a ridiculous notion, looking back on it now as the 217 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: soft underbelly of Europe. It was thought of as a 218 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: soft underbelly because Italy was defended by Italians at the time. 219 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: The Italian army back then under Mussolini was pathetic, pathetic 220 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: and embarrassing. All those jokes about the Italian military, they 221 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 2: all come from this time period where they had a small, 222 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: poorly equipped, poorly trained army that couldn't take on anybody. 223 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: The problem with Italy being the soft underbelly of Europe is, well, 224 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 2: it is until the Italians get replaced by Germans, and 225 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: then it ain't anymore. The Italians submit, you know this story. Already, 226 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 2: the Italians back out, they don't stay with the Germans 227 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: and Japanese. They say, hey, we're done with Mussolini, We're 228 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: done with this fascism thing. We're done. Well, Hitler's not 229 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 2: just going to allow Italy to go to us. About 230 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: five seconds after Italy said they were done, Hitler, who 231 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 2: really saw this coming, was already moving German troops into Italy. 232 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: And for the purpose of our Battle of Anzio here 233 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: you should know, they weren't chumps. We weren't facing a 234 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: bunch of German chumps. It wasn't exactly all their crack troops, 235 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 2: but we were facing some crap, some cracked troops, and 236 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: we were facing them in a place that is an 237 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: offensive war nightmare. Italy is all mountains, all valleys, all rivers, Mountains, valleys, rivers. 238 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 2: If you are defending an area like that, if you're 239 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: on the defense and someone's coming for you, it's heaven 240 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 2: for you. I don't have to explain why a mountain 241 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: is wonderful fortification you already know. Let's just talk for 242 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: a quick second about the rivers, because you don't think 243 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: about that really. Even if you do a large army, 244 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: surely you can cross it. Okay, think about you. You're 245 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: out hiking, just you, by yourself, and you come across 246 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: a large stream, a river. It's an obstacle, is it not. 247 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: You have to make a decision in that moment. Are 248 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: you going to take off all your clothes and try 249 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 2: to get them waterproof and try to swim across? What's 250 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: the current like? Are you even going to be able 251 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 2: to make it? What's the depth like? Even if you test? Okay, 252 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 2: or you maybe going to try to come up with 253 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 2: a raft, try to locate a different Okay, you realize 254 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: it's a pain. Now this is you by yourself, out 255 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: for a hike. Now you've got a dog. You've got 256 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 2: your dog with you. How much more difficult did that 257 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 2: problem just become You can't lose Muffy. But what if 258 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: he takes off that? Now you see that's a problem. 259 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: Now here's an army across the river. Do you think 260 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 2: that would be difficult? Of course it would. Do you 261 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 2: think if you're on the defense, that you would be 262 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: on the lookout for an army trying to make their 263 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: way across the river. Do you think that would be 264 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 2: a good time to drop a bunch of bombs and 265 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: bullets on somebody? It would be, of course it would. 266 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: And again, the Germans were no chumps and no idiots. 267 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 2: They knew this whole place was full of rivers and valleys. 268 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Once the Allies started storming in the friggin and started 269 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: blowing all the bridges, now you came to that river, 270 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: Now you have to come up with a way to 271 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: get across. And they didn't leave anything. They were famously 272 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 2: good at demoing the bridges. Italy is the place you 273 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: want to defend. It's not a place you want to 274 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 2: try to conquer. We were trying to conquer it kind of. 275 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: I'll get to that point in just the moment. Before 276 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: I get to the kind of conquering we were trying 277 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 2: You like history. You enjoy walking through history with me. 278 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: Somebody emailed in and asked about Hillsdale College and their 279 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: free online courses. Hey, can I listen to them on 280 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: my phone? Of course you can, man, you can sit 281 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: down and watch them on your computer on your phone. 282 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: These are online courses they're giving us free. I just 283 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: can't stress this point enough. Hillsdale's giving these to us 284 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 2: at no cost. 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Hillsdale dot edu slash Jesse. 291 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: We'll talk about our kind of conquest than what we 292 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 2: had going into Anzio. 293 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: Next, Jesse Kelly. 294 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Monday, all right. 295 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 2: So the Germans have taken over the defense of Italy. 296 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 2: It's nineteen forty four. The Allies are trying to figure 297 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: out how to pull German units out of the Soviet 298 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 2: Union away from northern Europe, so we can do the 299 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 2: D Day, the Normandy invasion. Now the problem is, and 300 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: this is look, it's a problem we debate about today 301 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: to stay when people have historical debates. If you're America 302 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 2: and the Brits. But we'll make this about America. Who 303 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: do you send? You know there are cracked German units there. 304 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 2: Remember we were reading all the Germans mail, all their 305 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: cables all we were reading the German mail, the Japanese mail. 306 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 2: Our code breaking stuff was top notch in World War Two, 307 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: so we knew the units. We knew that back and forth. 308 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: You know, you have cracked German units taking over a 309 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: place that's built for the defense. The Germans know what 310 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: they're doing. Who do you send? 311 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: Now? 312 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 2: Maybe instinctively, I understand if you said this, you say 313 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: you would send the best. It's gonna be the hardest fighting. 314 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 2: You send the best? What about D Day? Everything is finite. 315 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: Everything in life is finite. There's no such thing as 316 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 2: an infinite supply of anything, including cracked troops, cracked generals, 317 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: great equipment, boats. You don't have in unlimited supply of 318 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: those things. You have only so many for here, only 319 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: so many for there. Who do you send we sent 320 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 2: General Lucas. I'm only gonna give you two names, so 321 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: don't worry. Our guy was General Lucas, the German Guy. 322 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 2: This is the only other name you're gonna get is 323 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: General Kesserling. Don't worry about remembering the names. General Kesserling, 324 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: the German guy was an extremely capable man. If you 325 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: ever see pictures of video of him, and there's all 326 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: kinds of pictures and video, I bet you money he'll 327 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: be smiling. It was wild. One of the things I've 328 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: been learning is I've been reading and reading up on 329 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: all this stuff and going through it all. The dude 330 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 2: just always had a smile on his face. I actually 331 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: saw someone had nicknamed him the smiling General. Smiling as 332 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: he may be, he was very sharp man, and he 333 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 2: definitely knew how to defend areas. So here was what 334 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 2: the Germans had laid out in Italy, and this is 335 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: what we were trying to kind of conquer. Always keep 336 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 2: in mind, as we have this discussion about Anzio, this 337 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 2: was the secondary part of the war. It was almost 338 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: a large distraction effort. Yeah, we wanted to get into Rome, 339 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: but none of these things were winning the war. This 340 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: is kind of a side issue, which is what so 341 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 2: many of the veterans had. It was an issue so 342 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: many veterans had with this campaign after the war. Anyway, 343 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: So you know what Italy looks like. It looks like 344 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 2: a boot if you're if you're unfamiliar, I realized not 345 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: everyone knows maps. Italy is shaped like a cowboy boot, 346 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: all right, a cowboy boot. So the tip of the boot, 347 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: where your toes go, it's pointed west. It's pointed left. Okay, 348 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 2: as you're looking at a map, it's pointed left. You 349 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 2: got me off. The toe of that boot is a 350 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: huge island called Sicily. We had already taken Sicily because 351 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: we were going to try to get into this soft 352 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: underbelly of Europe Italy, and then we landed. We'll call 353 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: it towards the heel of the boot with me. So 354 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: far we land there. That's not Anzio. Okay, that is 355 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 2: not Anzio. But we're going to encounter something as we 356 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: go north through Italy, not one, but two different defensive lines. 357 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 2: Most people know about one, they don't know about the others. 358 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: Essentially halfway up the shin, I'll call it halfway up 359 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 2: the shin of the boot. The Germans found a line 360 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: of areas where they thought they could fortify that would 361 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 2: make it very difficult to get through. And then after that, 362 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: as you keep going north, as you keep going up 363 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: the shin towards the knee, there's another line, the gustav line, 364 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 2: where they really dug in. So our allies had landed 365 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 2: on the heel of the boot. They began pushing north. 366 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 2: They were running into so many problems, not only German problems, 367 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: weather problems. You know, Italy has some of the most 368 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 2: fertile soil in the world. Remember I told you we 369 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 2: went to Italy at Christmas time. We stopped by a 370 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: vineyard to have this meal, and they brought us out 371 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 2: grapes for appetizer. That grape have you ever seen a 372 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 2: crab apple? Crab apples? I would say a third the 373 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: size of a regular apple, maybe half. This grape was 374 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 2: that big. I'm not exaggerating. Oh yeah, Chris, It had 375 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 2: like six seeds in it. It was enormous. Italy is 376 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 2: famous for their wines and things like that because Italian 377 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: soil is mega rich. Well, what do you need if 378 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: you're going to grow things like that? Rain water? When 379 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 2: the rain falls in Italy it falls without end. Our 380 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: troops were getting bogged down in the mud. They're getting 381 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 2: shot to pieces by Germans. Our push north from the 382 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: heel of the boot is failing. You don't ever think 383 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 2: about that when it comes to World War two, do you? 384 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: When we look back on World War Two, all we 385 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: see is American conquest after American conquest, win after win 386 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 2: after win. All we did was win, right, That's not 387 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: true at all. We were losing and losing badly in Italy. 388 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: We were losing so badly in Italy. The big Cheeses, 389 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: the Churchills, the Roosevelts, the generals, Eisenhower, these guys, they 390 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: had to get together and they had to have a 391 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: discussion of hey, do we pull out? Do we just 392 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 2: try to dig in here? We can't lose every soldier 393 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,479 Speaker 2: we have here. That's the kind of trouble we're in 394 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: right now fighting these Germans in Italy. And so they 395 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 2: came up with an audacious plan that everybody. Everybody loves 396 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: a plan like this until a plan like this goes wrong. 397 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 2: And the plan was, Hey, let's land behind enemy lines 398 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: and go on the offense. So the Germans have to 399 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 2: pull troops away from these defensive lines from the Gustav 400 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: line and whatnot. They'll have to pull troops away from 401 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: the Gustav line to fight us behind them. Then we'll 402 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 2: be able to break through the Gustav line. And look, 403 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 2: it sounds really cool, right Land, Hey, let's just do 404 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: an audacious landing behind enemy lines. Everyone loves how that sounds. Unless, 405 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: sure one of the units behind the enemy line, and 406 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: you're not taking on some chumps, you're taking on some Germans. Look, 407 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: we'll make it about modern day. Zelenski did this with 408 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 2: Ukraine when they were getting slapped around and the Russians 409 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 2: had held on to some Ukrainian territory. They did the 410 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: exact same kind of thing, and every general loves it, right, 411 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 2: every armchair general loves it. Hey, I know what we'll do. 412 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: We'll go on the offense. We found a weakness in 413 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: Putin's line and we'll go on the offense, and well, 414 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: we'll create this this big bubble inside of Russia. It'll 415 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: really wrong foot Putin. Yeah, as we speak, large numbers 416 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 2: of Ukrainian troops are now surrounded and maybe slaughtered because 417 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: of that move. You can die very very easily behind 418 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: enemy lines with nobody there to save you. We picked 419 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: a man named General Lucas. There are gonna be times 420 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna sound very critical of him. History is very 421 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 2: critical of him. There are times I'm going to defend him, 422 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 2: and I guess this would possibly be one of those times. 423 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 2: General Lucas was warned extensively by generals who were above him, Hey, 424 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 2: this is very dangerous and you might die here. Hey, 425 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 2: you might get wiped out here. General Patten himself basically 426 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: told Lucas, you know, there's a chance you're gonna die here. 427 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: In fact, there's a chance all your troops are going 428 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: to die here. Patton was no woos and he was 429 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 2: no wallflower. Patton looked at Anzio, he looked at landing 430 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: above the Gustav line, north of the Gustav Line, and 431 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 2: Patten's doing the numbers in his head, and Patten's thinking 432 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 2: to himself, you're all gonna freaking die if you're not careful. 433 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 2: And so that's what's rattling around in General Lucas's head 434 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 2: as American troops and British troops make their way to 435 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: the shores. I'll wrap up today's portion of this and 436 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: then we'll revisit again tomorrow next. 437 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. 438 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 2: It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Monday. 439 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 2: We'll get to Pam Bondi talking about prosecuting people for fraud, 440 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: which I freaking love. Lee Zelden's killing it, how much 441 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 2: your pay saying for America's communism, and more. But that's 442 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: gonna have to wait for another ten minutes or so. 443 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 2: We're still going to talk a little bit more history 444 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: on Anzio. If you'd like, you can email the show 445 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 2: Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Now, General Lucas gets 446 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: his forces and he starts heading towards Anzio. General Kesserling, 447 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 2: the German, he had been given bunk information, bad information. 448 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 2: His information told him that there weren't going to be 449 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 2: any Allied landings in December or January, that it was 450 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: going to wait. So Kesserling actually doesn't have any troops 451 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: in Anzio, or not many. He had some some people 452 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 2: he left behind, but not many troops in Anzio. At 453 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 2: the time, he had pulled his cracked troops away and 454 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 2: sent them down south to fight the other Allied forces. 455 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 2: This plan, the plan to land behind German lines, worked perfectly. 456 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: It worked exactly as intended. They landed and shocked the Germans. 457 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: General Lucas lands. He immediately takes a couple of days 458 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: establishing a beachhead. He's grabbing ground right by the ocean. 459 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 2: That's what establishing a beachhead means. He grabs ground by 460 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 2: the ocean, and he's flabbergasted. The troops are flabbergasted too. 461 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: He's not getting really any pushback at all. Where are 462 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: all these German divisions? Where's all this artillery? And this 463 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: is one of those moments. It's amazing when you get 464 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: in something great or famous or terrible or whatever it is, 465 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 2: how often you can be defined by one moment, be 466 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 2: it your best moment or your worst moment. I know 467 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 2: March madness is going on right now. Remember Chris Webber 468 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: from Michigan, one of the great college players ever played 469 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: hoops in the NBA forever. What's Chris Weber most remembered 470 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 2: for in his entire career. He called a time out 471 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 2: when he didn't have one, and I'm not going to 472 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: say lost the game for his team, but gave up 473 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 2: any chance his team had it coming back and winning 474 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: that game. General Lucas had a long career and a 475 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 2: great career. But he landed with his American troops at Anzio. 476 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: The surprise he achieved it. The resistance was virtually nonexistent. 477 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 2: I realized that's a bad way to say that. But 478 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 2: General Lucas had been so freaked out and paranoid about 479 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 2: what he was promised was going to be terrible German resistance. 480 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 2: Instead of grabbing his army and taking off towards Rome, 481 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: he stopped and he simply waited there, trying to figure out, Wait, 482 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 2: where are the Germans. They've got to be here, Surely 483 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 2: they're in hiding. Are they under the ground somewhere? Where 484 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 2: are these Germans? But the Germans were not there, you see. 485 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: They did, however, leave behind Kesserling, left behind enough troops 486 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: and enough spies. The Germans found out almost immediately that 487 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 2: the Americans had landed a large force at Anzio, and 488 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: while General Lucas was establishing a beachhead troops were digging in, 489 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 2: the Germans were sending some of their finest troops as 490 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: fast as humanly possible to Anzio to try to kill 491 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: all the Americans. Do you have anxiety yet? Do you 492 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 2: have stress? Because it stresses me out to no end, 493 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 2: knowing it's day two of Anzio. In all these brave 494 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: troops are sitting there twiddling their thumbs. And the Germans 495 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 2: had recently created a quick reaction force for just this purpose, 496 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 2: of highly trained stud troops, and they were rapidly heading 497 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: towards Anzio where the Americans were trapped. You see, because 498 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: when you establish a beach head, yes that's nice. You 499 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 2: have a place to put men in equipment and artillery 500 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 2: and tanks, but you also have nowhere to run to. 501 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 2: There's only the sea sitting behind you. And as the 502 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: Americans sat there because General Lucas was too afraid to 503 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:41,479 Speaker 2: move forward, the German units raced into place, got into place, 504 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 2: did not take them much time at all. Now, what 505 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: was Lucas waiting on? If you have to defend General 506 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: Lucas at this point in time, Lucas was waiting on 507 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 2: more stuff. He was waiting on more tanks. He wanted 508 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 2: more armor, He wanted more things because he didn't trust 509 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: what he was pushing out into He wanted to ensure 510 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 2: that he had instead of maximum speed, maximum stuff. And 511 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 2: how many times have we had this argument when we've 512 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: talked about a historical battle of any kind, it's always 513 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 2: a give or take. What's the right way, what's the 514 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 2: wrong way. I don't know. I don't think there is 515 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: one right or wrong way. I think it's always situationally dependent. 516 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 2: Speaking of World War Two member Sipan, when we talked 517 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: about Sipan, the Marines were famously moving very, very quickly. 518 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 2: The army was not, so much so that the marine 519 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 2: commander fired the army commander. He said, the Marines are 520 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 2: moving quickly, you're hardly moving. Well that look we Marines, 521 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 2: we love that story. But it's more the marine philosophy, 522 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 2: not maximum stuff, not getting all the food and everything 523 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 2: you need. Speed, speed, move quickly, wrong foot the enemy. 524 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: The army had a not only tougher assignment on Sipan, 525 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 2: had a different philosophy. No, let's take our time. Move 526 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,879 Speaker 2: the artillery up, the food, move the food up, move 527 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 2: the bullets up. Let's make sure we're doing this slowly, 528 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 2: but surely the right way. I know which way. I like. 529 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 2: I'm a Marine, but that doesn't mean i'm right. Lucas 530 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: was faced with this exact same situation. Julius Caesar did this, 531 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 2: Alexander did this all the time. Speed Do we go 532 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 2: with speed? Do we wait? 533 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: What? 534 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: Do we do. Lucas had speed laid out in front 535 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: of him. He chose caution, and that choice will define 536 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: him forever. And as unfair as that, maybe life is unfair, 537 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 2: war is certainly unfair. That choice to wait it killed 538 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: a lot of Americans. It's the reason a lot of 539 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 2: Americans got to find out that dad wasn't coming home, 540 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: that my son wasn't coming home. Those are the real 541 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 2: con sequences of war. And if you think that particular 542 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 2: story is heartbreaking, you're really gonna wait until hour two 543 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 2: tomorrow because there's a brutal one that happens in Anzio. Honestly, 544 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: it's just it's more brutal than I can even put 545 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 2: into words. We will discuss that tomorrow, though for now 546 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 2: we're going to move back and talk about Pam Bondi 547 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: and communists and all kinds of things. Let's first talk 548 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 2: about finding a good employee. It could be very, very 549 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 2: difficult to find a good employee. 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