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Speaker 1: Allays unplugging is Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody to a new episode of Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: This is your host, Dylan Dreyfus. I know it's been

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Speaker 2: a minute since we had a new episode, but I

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Speaker 2: promise it's been for good reason. Been steady, working building

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Speaker 2: with Showtime Basketball, getting to work on shows like All

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Speaker 2: the Smoke, like KG Certified. But today we are here

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Speaker 2: to do Forgotten Seasons, and I'm so excited for this one.

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Speaker 2: We have twelve year NBA vet Ricky Davis walking us

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Speaker 2: through his NBA journey. If we're gonna keep it real,

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Speaker 2: Ricky was a guy during his playing career that did

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Speaker 2: have a lot of labels placed on him. I will say,

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Speaker 2: and Ricky would probably agree that some of those labels

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Speaker 2: at the same time, a lot of them were excessive too.

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Speaker 2: You can question in dispute narratives, but one thing that's

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Speaker 2: undeniable is that Ricky Davis had game. When you talk

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Speaker 2: about a microwave scorer a battery pack, that is Ricky Davis.

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Speaker 2: As you'll hear later in the episode, Ricky lived life

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Speaker 2: by a very simple yet powerful motto. And that motto

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Speaker 2: is get buckets. Joining me on this episode is my guy,

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Speaker 2: Jelani McCoy. If you don't know of Jilani's story, we'll

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Speaker 2: probably just have to do like a standalone episode on it.

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Speaker 2: But he has a hell of a story. He was

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Speaker 2: one of the top ranked players in the class of

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Speaker 2: once during their NBA career. It started in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 2: They entered the NBA during a lockout so they could

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Speaker 2: not report to their teams once they were drafted. They

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Speaker 2: resumed early nineteen ninety nine. About five years later, they

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Speaker 2: crossed paths again, this time in Cleveland. They're both on

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Speaker 2: the Cavs in two thousand and four, which is, of

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Speaker 2: course Lebron James rookie year. Crazy and hilarious fact, Lebron

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Speaker 2: James is first NBA bucket was assisted by who Ricky Davis.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that would have been your first guests, and

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Speaker 2: with Ricky, we kind of talked about a lot of

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Speaker 2: different seasons. I know we usually stick to one, but

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Speaker 2: Ricky played with Lebron, he played with KG D Wade,

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Speaker 2: of had to go through it all. I'm super excited

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Speaker 2: to bring you guys this episode. Just want to say

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Speaker 2: a quick thank you. I know some of you have

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Speaker 2: probably been listening since I started this thing almost three

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Speaker 2: years ago, so always super appreciative. I love Forgotten Seasons.

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Speaker 2: I love that you guys love it too. That shit

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Speaker 2: is amazing and I'm gonna stop talking. We're gonna get

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Speaker 2: into the episode. Forgotten Seasons with Ricky Davis begins right now.

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Speaker 2: We got two members of the nineteen ninety nine NBA

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Speaker 2: Draft class. First off, fellas, how's it going today?

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Speaker 3: Man? It's going great, Man, it's going great.

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Speaker 1: I just appreciate you guys for having me on the show,

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Speaker 1: and it's just good to be able to, you know,

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Speaker 1: talk about those great seasons and what's basketball culture?

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Speaker 3: You know, we started that basketball culture.

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to be here. Ricky's my guy. We came

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Speaker 4: in together. You know, it's like a person. I think

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Speaker 4: it's perfect for you know, the storytelling platform. So I'm

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Speaker 4: just excited to be here and ketch up with my guy.

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Speaker 4: This was gonna be fine.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Let's start in nineteen ninety nine with you two. Ricky

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Speaker 2: you go in the first round, Jelina you go in

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Speaker 2: But when there's a lockout, there's none of that. So, Johanna,

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Speaker 4: I think going to the NBA world during a lockout,

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Speaker 4: just literally only ready to play basketball. There were so

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Speaker 4: lockout because you didn't get your bread, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, the bread that you did get, Rick, and

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Speaker 4: There was just a lot of uncertainty and question marks. So, uh,

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Speaker 4: that's what you're that's what you That's what me and

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Speaker 4: Rick walked into and it's kind of like it's not

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Speaker 4: You want to walk into your fresh year and the.

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Speaker 2: Yet, Ricky, you're nineteen doing this, Like you know, grass

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? You know.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is I was I was actually seventeen

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Speaker 3: But it was good in my sense.

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Speaker 1: I got a chance to actually go out in l

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Speaker 4: He was playing, he was playing, was he was playing

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Speaker 4: He did that with Toby Bailey, Baron Davis, all the

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that was it. I came in with a

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Speaker 4: Rick, how nice were we were before? How nice were

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Speaker 4: trying to tell Dylan about purity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, purity.

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Speaker 2: the purity and then the blacksk you want to hear

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Speaker 3: Oh man. And it was it was it.

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Speaker 1: It was like Jelani was oning the paint from the

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Speaker 1: John Jaylen had this chip on his shoulder and and

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Speaker 1: wrong way, and you took it like a professional, you know,

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Speaker 4: But I had you at the same time. Talking about

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Speaker 4: you know, I didn't want to get sidetracked. But I

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Speaker 4: I mean, the love goes both ways, because I feel

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely real.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we're going into the ninety eight ninety

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Speaker 2: The NBA maybe doesn't really know where where it's at

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Speaker 2: right now. It doesn't have that icon like Ricky, can

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Speaker 2: you kind of paint the picture of just like the

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Speaker 2: you know, we talk so much just offline about how today,

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Speaker 2: or just like them in the late nineties, early two thousands, MBA.

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Speaker 2: And again you're a young kid, you're a teenager, Like,

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, great question.

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Speaker 1: Well that was when I first walked in, and like

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Speaker 1: And you know, that was kind of my foundation coming

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Speaker 4: Men, AI could either let it rip or play with you.

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Speaker 2: Through before two thousand, two thousand and one, you're part

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Speaker 2: Memories of that trade and then follow up. You know,

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was, it was. It was a good trade.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it just took me all the way to the top.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was a it was a plus.

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Speaker 2: So you talked about how playing for Riley kind of

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Speaker 2: Probably should have kept going up. But after one season,

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Speaker 1: even a blink in my mind. And and being able

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00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: to go to different places kind of the opportunity was

438
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: getting better for me. Uh, you know, Miami, it got

439
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: better there, and getting traded to Cleveland, now it got

440
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: better there because I got a chance to play. But

441
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: the organization, of course, definitely was you know a three sixty,

442
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: you know, and you got to see the laziness, bad organization,

443
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 1: bad discipline, and bad work ethic. But but I took

444
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: that work ethic I had from Miami to Cleveland and.

445
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: It catapulted my whole career.

446
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: I think I came became the points permitted guy in

447
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: the next couple of years and ended up just kind

448
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: of working my way up.

449
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 3: Uh, they were still trying to win a little bit.

450
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: I think we had Wesley Person and Lamar Murray.

451
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 4: Guys.

452
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: Was still tough.

453
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: Getting it in and you know, I mixed in well

454
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: with those guys Andre Miller, and we went out there

455
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: and we was rolling, you know, and I just I

456
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: kept going. I think they traded Laman he went somewhere

457
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting a starting position next year.

458
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 3: But but the culture was bad, you know.

459
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 1: But I was on the mission to to you know,

460
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: keep going in my career. So I really wasn't even

461
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: looking at the wins. I wasn't looking at the losses.

462
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,479
Speaker 1: I was just looking at my progression every year and

463
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 1: let it get to me.

464
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 4: You know.

465
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 3: So some guys they had a bad.

466
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 1: Season, so that would predict how they would work out

467
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: that summer. And I never fell short to that because

468
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: I would go out and you know, back every summer

469
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: with you Jay, and we would right to what we started.

470
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 3: And that that helped our career as well.

471
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: You know, every sime, we went right back to where

472
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: we were when we were first trying to.

473
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: Get it, uh, you know, and that helped us out.

474
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: So being in Cleveland that year, those years definitely helped.

475
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: But you know, that year, we tried to start losing,

476
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: and we kept trying to lose for Lebron. You know,

477
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: I just kept doing me. That's what I kept doing.

478
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: And you know it worked out good for me.

479
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 4: How can that's interesting that you say that. And I

480
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 4: feel like some people are like that you have to

481
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 4: do you in a situation like that, you know what

482
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 4: I mean, Like you said, when you're in a situation

483
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 4: where their purpose is trying to lose to get another

484
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: dude who ain't never touched the court just yet. We

485
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 4: know who that other dude ends up being, but you

486
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: know what I mean, at the time, it was just

487
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 4: you know, the guy, a high school guy we hadn't

488
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 4: seen just yet. I feel like some sometimes people in

489
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 4: those situations they get it's not it's not frowned upon,

490
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,520
Speaker 4: but they get they don't get they're looked at differently

491
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 4: for doing them. You still have to set yourself up,

492
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 4: in your family, up as a professional to have a

493
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: good season, auditioning for some other teams. You've had some

494
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: success in this fan base, you know what I mean.

495
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 4: So you're trying to secure you know, probably want to

496
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: stay there for a little time everybody doesn't mind, and

497
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: sign somewhere on the five or seven year deal and

498
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 4: then move, you know, you know what I mean. So

499
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 4: I feel like you have been put in different situations,

500
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 4: But I feel like sometimes that is a bad rap

501
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 4: or whatever it is, but I feel like the same

502
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: thing that is your strength. Sometimes people use against you.

503
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 4: A lot of players in those situations that move from

504
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 4: team to team, that have different coaches, they use your

505
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 4: strength against you. The strange strength that you had to

506
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,239
Speaker 4: be a consistent wing in an era that they were

507
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 4: wings some of the legends of the position was the

508
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: same thing that they used against you. You and they're

509
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 4: always a journeyman. He goes to different locker rooms, he

510
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: does this, he got there, but you still have continued success.

511
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 4: And as a person who off season would change because

512
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: of how my season went, just to be very candid

513
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 4: with you, you were with me a couple of times, some

514
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: of the shit that I went through would change my

515
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 4: off season, you know what I mean, I wouldn't be

516
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 4: as vigorous as you would be. I ain't going I

517
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: ain't doing it today, you know I mean, I I'll

518
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 4: see you back up, I see you a shoot, I'll

519
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 4: come shoot. But I ain't doing the dudes and the

520
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 4: diet and the other you know what I mean, and

521
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 4: other stuff. So I don't know why that came to mind,

522
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 4: because it just seems like so many players that are

523
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: successful and you know, careers or the TA get journeymen

524
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 4: labels or have different coaches. It's not their problem, it's

525
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 4: the front office. It's a mixture of the front office,

526
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 4: what the coaches have to go through, the locker room,

527
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: and your gifts and talents being used against you. I

528
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 4: don't know, I'm a vessel. Sometimes I felt like I

529
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 4: just had to say that, you know what I mean, Brother,

530
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 4: ain't talking to you. I'm just seeing things on the

531
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: opposite side of the spectrum. You know. I think that

532
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: people don't think about the players go through right right,

533
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 4: and that's it.

534
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: They don't. They don't at all. You know, they just

535
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 3: see the other picture.

536
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: But they don't see, you know, what guys got to

537
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: do and like you say, secure their family and secure

538
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: it's a business. You know, we feed our family. And

539
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: that's when I first got in the league. That's what

540
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: the same guys were saying, that's how we feed our.

541
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: Family, you know.

542
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 4: So so you know when.

543
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: Guys coming in, we heard it every season since my

544
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: rookie year. You hear guys losing certain teams to get

545
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: certain draft picks. You know, that was just the motive,

546
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, But nobody like you said, do how somebody

547
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: was gonna get panned out and stuff. But that's how

548
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 1: sometimes a bad rap gets in the play because that

549
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: person's doing them in a bad situation, or make they

550
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: hit you with.

551
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 4: A good player on a bad team, remember that empty

552
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 4: stats right on the good team to put that in

553
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 4: half and put it over here. It's nice those labels

554
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 4: and narrative that have your career dipping up.

555
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: I got I got one, like do you do you

556
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 2: hear that, Ricky? Like when you're when you're playing and

557
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: your I mean it's different than than it is now

558
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: with social media, but like there are articles being written

559
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: labeling you with with certain terms like are you hearing that?

560
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: Are there any like articles in specific that you remember

561
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: that just like irked you? Or how do you deal

562
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: with that stuff?

563
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean I used it for fuel for fire.

564
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: You know, everybody's got an opinion, you know, And I

565
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: would always let it roll off me anyway. I never

566
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: really would let it get to me, but I would

567
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: always use it for fire.

568
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: You know. It would always question me like you know,

569
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 3: what where where did they get it from?

570
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

571
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: You know, but I get it. You got to use

572
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: something with some want. Somebody has to be a downfall somewhere.

573
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, but I just would would

574
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 1: let it, you know, roll off, roll off, and just

575
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: you let it, let it fuel you know, my whole career. Uh,

576
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, go back and work harder, do what I

577
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: gotta do, take care of myself.

578
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: So so three oh four, you guys are both there, calvs. Uh,

579
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: you know, we got to talk about it Lebron recently

580
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: past Kareem, Uh, you were there from the beginning. I

581
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: actually saw Ricky you posted that Lebron's first basket was

582
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: assisted by Ricky Davis. So forever you're you're in the

583
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 2: history books.

584
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: That's dope.

585
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: But I mean so much has been written about Lebron's

586
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: entrance to Cleveland and what the people inside the locker

587
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: room are saying and thinking. They still talk about it now.

588
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: Jelani hit on it earlier like, yes, it's Lebron James.

589
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: But to you guys who are pros, like, it's a

590
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: high school kid coming in?

591
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 3: What what? What?

592
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: What memories do you have from you know, summer fall

593
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: of two thousand and three when this high school kid

594
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: is coming in?

595
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got I got a lot of memories.

596
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: You know.

597
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: It was like like like like Jay said, you know

598
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: it was it was a high school kid coming in,

599
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: you know, so and we knew what.

600
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: High school guys.

601
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: What high school kid will win a championship in the

602
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 1: first two years, you know, not none. And it's still

603
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: never happened. The first two years, first three years, you know,

604
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: it never happened. So we knew that getting a rookie

605
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't right away change things dramatically. And for them picking it,

606
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: we get it. You know, you want the rookie, you

607
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: gotta get it. That's fine. But to kind of destroy

608
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: everything that was going on in the nucleus and you know,

609
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: destroy everybody that you had around there, I didn't think

610
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: was the right thing to do on that part.

611
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 4: That's fair, Like I said, these these are these are friends, teammates,

612
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. These are people putting their

613
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 4: body and you know, taking their time away from their

614
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: from families every day. You know what I mean. To

615
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 4: put w's in the in the in the column for

616
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 4: for your organization. So like I said, you can't, uh,

617
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: you can't forget about the human side of what goes

618
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 4: on in the locker room, you know, said, Talent is

619
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: being trying to walk through the door the front office

620
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 4: has it's on a situation. Do you remember that first

621
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: game in Sacramento, Rickie?

622
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do?

623
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 4: Do you remember?

624
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: Did do you?

625
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: Did? You? It all feel like like it was different

626
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: during that game, Like the atmosphere was different, you know

627
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 4: what I mean? During his first game in Sacramento, there's

628
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: a lot of eyeballs on him. It's probably you know,

629
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: there's probably one of the most probably watched. I don't

630
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 4: know the exact stats, but it had to be one

631
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: of the most anticipated anticipated, thank you del anticipated rookie

632
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 4: debuts in NBA history. Do you remember the atmosphere that day?

633
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: It was it was amazing. It was huge. It was

634
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: it was so huge.

635
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: It was like quiet, it wasn't Yeah, and you know

636
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: it was.

637
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 3: It was weird. You know, the whole game was just

638
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: kind of it was weird.

639
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: They everybody was anticipating everything as soon as as soon

640
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 4: as his lebron ones came out of the tunnel, like

641
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 4: everything what it was, Ricky, Everything was just real slow

642
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: in the lab lines, his dunks and the left line.

643
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: What is he like during this time, like you know,

644
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: he's a fresh face and you said, everything is on him,

645
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: is he just is it just normal?

646
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: Like? Nah, he was. He was excitable, he was right

647
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 4: to what I remember. Yeah, yeah, he was dancing, Yeah,

648
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 4: laughing with you. You go to the next locker room

649
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: and the next locker and laughed. You know what I mean.

650
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 4: It was like and everybody else was like.

651
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

652
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: It was nervous, but he was handling it so much

653
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: with dancing. It was just so like slow motion. Yeah,

654
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: it was slow motion.

655
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: And it just right before he walked out, to think

656
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 4: it was me you. I don't know if it was

657
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 4: d Miles who was on that team, but right before

658
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: he walked out, he tried to go out without his headband.

659
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: And I remember we were sitting out right outside the door.

660
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 4: We stopped, WHOA what you're doing? Yeah? He was like

661
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 4: going out with was like where are your head man? Yeah? Yeah,

662
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: you know, I was like trying to start something new.

663
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: He was like no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no,

664
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 4: everybody know you for the head band, bro, Yeah you

665
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: gotta yeah yeah yeah.

666
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: And that was when he didn't he didn't have to,

667
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: he didn't have to cover up the hairline.

668
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: Back then, he didn't the high school grade. Ye, he

669
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 4: still had.

670
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: We all still had it look.

671
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 2: Speaking of speaking of accessories, I came across the picture

672
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: that the mid two thousands that one of my favorite

673
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: things about it was just the the accessory culture, specifically

674
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: the sweat band with the number. I saw a picture

675
00:33:58,400 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 2: of you. You had your number, I think it was

676
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: a Boston twelve, and then it was get buckets. Can

677
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: you explain like just the culture of the arm band

678
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: like band in the two thousands and then just the

679
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: different the different, the different ship that you would put

680
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 2: on it under your number.

681
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, that was that was my thing.

682
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: I started it, Uh, I started it when I first

683
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: got in Cleveland. I started thirty one gig buckets. I

684
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: started putting it all on my shoes and putting it

685
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: all on my wristbands and rubber bands, and.

686
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 3: I just I just started it.

687
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: And you know, I started looking around in the league

688
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: and started seeing everybody with numbers and names and different

689
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of different kind of things on them. But you know,

690
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: I had the headband with the bands, with the bands,

691
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, that was that was my look.

692
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 4: Which was also the bands were also people A lot

693
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 4: of people don't forget the bands. You were probably a

694
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 4: rubber band where too the bands came around from the

695
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 4: from the rubber bands. The dudes can't wear the rubber

696
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: bands anymore, so they turned into those bands. So like

697
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 4: a lot of the night, like I'm saying, a lot

698
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: of the accessories in the wing came from Ricky and

699
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,760
Speaker 4: his generation. The sleeves, the calf sleeve, the one calf sleeve,

700
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: RN bands, the whole bands. Yeah, the messages, even the

701
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: stuff on the shoes, because that was really when I

702
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: think you were with and.

703
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: One then yep and one.

704
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that one was really the Yeah, but that was

705
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: really the only ones giving up the I ds like that,

706
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 4: you have to be Kobe or somebody else with Nike

707
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: to get an I D. I remember when with the

708
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: with the and one guys, you guys usually had your name,

709
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: your number, yeah, the players.

710
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: That you want exact yea and everything. I think we

711
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: started them bands. Everybody used to win them bands. W

712
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: w j D.

713
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 4: Remember that that was the first band to touch the league.

714
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 4: It was what would Jesus do?

715
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: There? You go, yes, sir.

716
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 2: That's that's also that's also in the whole Live Strong era.

717
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody started having them w w j D.

718
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: So just so just so we're clear. We can report

719
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: that Ricky Davis did start with the nickname on on

720
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: the armband. I'm not I'm not trying to spend anything.

721
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I hear.

722
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: And you get. You can see what with Lee Lebron

723
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: at halftime. You can see us on there with the

724
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: get buckets on there with us.

725
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: I had a.

726
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's dope, go ahead on that team, on that

727
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 4: team Lebron's rookie year. The first time I have been

728
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: cover from anything in my life, you know what I mean.

729
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 4: But that's another story, right, I was killing too. I

730
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 4: was killing too, killing Duwan wag Man. We just had

731
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: a chance to see I haven't seen Wannee Ricky since Cleveland,

732
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,240
Speaker 4: and I had a chance to see him in New Jersey,

733
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 4: in his hometown. His son, a phenomenal number one player

734
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 4: in the country. Had had a chance to see Jannie.

735
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: Uh.

736
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 4: You spent a lot of time in practicing and games

737
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: with Dewan Wagman. For the people that don't know, tell

738
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: us how talented Dwan wagon was.

739
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: Man.

740
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: Now you're talking about an official bucket getting and at

741
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: that size, I mean from from the from the handle

742
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: to the jumper to the floater to the to the.

743
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: I mean to the layups. The kid was. He was amazing.

744
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: He was amazing, and he could score that ball. He

745
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: could shoot that ball when he came in. He was

746
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: just like undersized but so fast but contact the real

747
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: I've never really seen a guy like that that could

748
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: score that ball like d wag was when he came

749
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: aman Man. And it was kind of sad to see

750
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: him when he got sick, you know that that year.

751
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: But he was definitely gonna be something special.

752
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 4: Oh, without question, and I agree with you it was not.

753
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: It was nothing short of amazing, even when he didn't

754
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 4: have it, when you could tell he didn't have you know,

755
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 4: his full you know, cheer or spirit in him, some

756
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 4: of the stuff like you would do here in mind,

757
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 4: you'd be like, oh that's what okay? Yeah? Yeah.

758
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: Was there a comparison like, was it was it shades

759
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: of anybody?

760
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 4: Was it told?

761
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 2: Was he like six to two?

762
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: Yeah?

763
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 4: It was? It was six to two, yeah, six six

764
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 4: one six two at the most. But I was thrown

765
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 4: the a. I but with the physicality of Derek roose right,

766
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: you can't knock him off the basket line just because

767
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 4: he's shorter. You know, he was a little bounced too.

768
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 3: It was a little bit but not like dunking bounce,

769
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 3: but like.

770
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: It's kind of it's like, bro, it's kind of like

771
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: his kid is the same exact way.

772
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, exactly.

773
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: I don't know if he good as his dad though,

774
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

775
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that.

776
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. So transitioning out of Cleveland,

777
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: you get traded twenty games into that season, but then

778
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: you go to Boston and when I was just going

779
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: back into your career, like, who's an amazing stop for you?

780
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: Four oh five? Your runner up for sixth Man of

781
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 2: the Year. This is Doc Rivers first year. Gary Payton

782
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 2: is there, which I think people forget, so this is

783
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. But probably the first time

784
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: where you're like playing big minutes on a good team,

785
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: number three seed in the East. What was that whole

786
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: team in season? Like and then maybe speak on playing

787
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 2: with guys like Paul Pierce and Gary Payton.

788
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that season that was you know, that was a

789
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: very interesting season for myself. You know, going into Boston,

790
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: I think I was starting the first few, first few games,

791
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 1: maybe twenty thirty games I was starting, coming in starting

792
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: playing playing with right next side to Paul Pierce, and

793
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: Doc came in and he pulled me in the office

794
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: and he said, Rick, I think I'm gonna pull you

795
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: off the bench.

796
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, huh, you know, like what.

797
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: Whatnot?

798
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah, uh he like, you know, I'm.

799
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: Gonna pull you off the bench and uh, you know,

800
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: just to let Paul kind of get going a little bit.

801
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: And you know, because I was so quick at it,

802
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: I didn't need no place, I didn't need anything.

803
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: But it would it would take Paul a while to

804
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: get going, you know, you know, Pete needs to come

805
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 3: in to him, take his time, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

806
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: you gotta get going.

807
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: But when you threw it to me, I was gone

808
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: already being wow, that boy us scoring move fast. So

809
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: he said, Rick, I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna take you

810
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: off the bench, and i'ma I'm gonna bring you in

811
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: five six minute mark, you know, and I want you

812
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: to come in like like you come in off the

813
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: game like you do start like the start of the game.

814
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: Won't you come in just full speed.

815
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 4: What you do.

816
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: And I was just like it was weird at first,

817
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: and I was just like, okay, he said, but it

818
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: don't matter who start, it matter who finished. You'll be

819
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: in the end of the game, finishing the game, you know.

820
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 1: But I just I don't have nobody coming off the bench,

821
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: and it's kind of it's messed up. And I said, okay,

822
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: all right, all right, Well I tried it, and I say.

823
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 4: How did you receive it? How did you receive that?

824
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: Ray?

825
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 4: How did you Because they say that's what Doc is

826
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 4: good at. Every time we talked to Matt and everybody's

827
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 4: playing for Doc, they said that he's good at establishing

828
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 4: people at the end of their rug. How did how

829
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 4: did did that go over well with you? Were you

830
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 4: like after the way he presented it to you? Where

831
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 4: you like, all right, all right, I'm gonna try this.

832
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: The way he presented to me was amazing.

833
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 4: Okay, yep, it was amazing, yep.

834
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: But when I at home, I mean when I when

835
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: I heard it, it wasn't amazing. And here, I mean,

836
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: presented it and everything was cool and he said everything

837
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: he said, everything he did was and he did it.

838
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 3: But when I went home, it wasn't.

839
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 2: It ain't said right, the bench is the bench?

840
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was coming, wasn't right, But so I couldn't

841
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: wait till the next game, you know, just to go

842
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: out there and see what this really.

843
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: Was gonna be. And so I mean, I couldn't wait

844
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: to go out there that next game. I couldn't wait.

845
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. So I went out

846
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: here and did what he did and we won. We

847
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: won good, and pulled me in.

848
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: Inside and he said that's what I'm talking about. And

849
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, I was just thinking

850
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: to myself. I was still pissed, like I should be

851
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: a starter, but the way the game win it, I

852
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: was cool with it.

853
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: You know.

854
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: I went in five six minutes and when I went in,

855
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: when it kept happening, what happened as that happened. I

856
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: accepted it. When I started it, it started working. So

857
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: he presented it really well. But what happened was he

858
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: created something with me and the fans because now once

859
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: the game started and they knew that, they knew that

860
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: and needed the game to change, they started cheering put

861
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Ricky in the game. So that's where I became and

862
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 1: started my Ricky's Renegades and get buckets guys with my

863
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: fans and all that stuff.

864
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 3: In Boston and it worked out great. Man.

865
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I ended up almost winning the sixth Man of the Year,

866
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: and that's where I realized to kind of start trusting

867
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: the coach and knock at that, you know, because at

868
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: first it just wasn't right. It didn't it just it

869
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: didn't resonate with me right, and I felt that it

870
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: would help, it would worsen my career. I'm not a starter,

871
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: you know how it is in the league that he started,

872
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: it felt like something was take him from me. But

873
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: as the season went through, and you know, it felt

874
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: really well.

875
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: It fit really well with us and e P and

876
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: all guys.

877
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 2: How about Gary Payton and what what was your Gary

878
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: Payton experience?

879
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 4: A unique style of leadership.

880
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 3: Yes, he's amazing man. He don't take no stuff.

881
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: Man, and uh he demands, he demands and he controls.

882
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 1: And it was good for us because we needed somebody

883
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: that could control us. Pee Twan and everybody t a

884
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: young perk. We had all these young fire starter and

885
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: GP was like a second extension of Doc. So he

886
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: kind of was like big Bro and put everybody in

887
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: line and made sure everybody was on track and everybody

888
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: was straight.

889
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

890
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,280
Speaker 3: So I love GP. Man. I love his leadership and

891
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 3: the way you get down.

892
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 4: In today's NBA, they would have let you to cook

893
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: on the wing. I love Jason, Tatum and Brown. If

894
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: y'all Paul, they wouldn't have split you and Paul up.

895
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, as they would have needed that.

896
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 4: They would have left that energy alone, you know what

897
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 4: I mean. Yesterday's NBA they had to separate that. In

898
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 4: today's NBA, you can put fire and water on the

899
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 4: court at the same time, you know what I mean.

900
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 4: It's just what your scheme is, right that, yeah, and

901
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 4: back and back then. Like you said, Paul liked to

902
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: have that wing, you know what I mean. He had

903
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 4: a couple of plays that he liked, you know what

904
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: I mean, to give him that wing so it can

905
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 4: hit you with, you know, with everything that made Paul Pierce.

906
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 4: They had a Hall of Famer. But it's dope to

907
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you this. So it's it safe

908
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 4: to say that the city of Boston, the fans in

909
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 4: the city and the fan base at Boston had a

910
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 4: lot what you're doing falling into your success as the

911
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: sixth man did. The fans and in the community of

912
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 4: Boston have something to do with that.

913
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely, absolutely, I almost became a fan favorite in Boston.

914
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 3: Uh, you know with with the.

915
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: Fans and and just doing my foundation stuff and you know,

916
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: reaching with so many families out there and having my

917
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: fan base. I end up buying like twenty tickets for

918
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: a fan giveaway each game they came and you know

919
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: they it was.

920
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 3: It was real fun, man.

921
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: And I think that the fan base almost helped me

922
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: get drafted, I mean not drafted, but helped me pick

923
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: get that six Man of the Year. Oh, you know,

924
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: just by helping me and cheering me on and you know,

925
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: asking cheering the coach to put me in the.

926
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 2: Game playoffs three seed, you get the Pacers team who's

927
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 2: pretty fresh off the mouths of the palace. Our brother

928
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: Steven Jackson is coming back into the picture. That's a

929
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: seven game series. You guys end up losing. What do

930
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: you remember from that team in that series? Like, you know,

931
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 2: everybody knows what happens with that team that's HEAs what

932
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: was there? What was their energy?

933
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: Like? Yeah, that was tough. Yeah, that was a tough

934
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: series right there. You know them boys was deep, We

935
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 1: were deep, and and you know they had the experience.

936
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: I think from them just being all together. I think

937
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: that's kind of what catapulted them to win. Their experience

938
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 1: at those close games, you know, we had, we didn't

939
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience that first year, and I

940
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: think that we we I think we could have closed

941
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: it out that game six.

942
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: I think we didn't close it out, and I think

943
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: that's what messed us up.

944
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,240
Speaker 1: I think we blew a couple of nice little baskets,

945
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: a couple of free throws or something. I can't really remember,

946
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: but we should have closed them out when we should have,

947
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: you know how that goes.

948
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 3: And we didn't close them out.

949
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: And they used that, They used that as fire and

950
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: they came back and they hit us on the head.

951
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 3: They was tough, It was deep, They was tough.

952
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: That was one of them series that you know that

953
00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: first move didn't work, you know, one, two, three, you know,

954
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: and expose what was open and if you didn't, you know,

955
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: they was tough and they got on you.

956
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: So they didn't They didn't have their toughest player either.

957
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 3: Uh, they didn't have.

958
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 2: Their toughest player out there because our test was suspended.

959
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: They didn't, so but they still had the mindset of

960
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: our tests.

961
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

962
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: They was deep. They went and beat you up top,

963
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: they went and beat you down low. And uh, that

964
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: point guard, I can't what I keep forgetting his name, tra.

965
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: Oh Man. He just the i Q, the i Q

966
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: of just just just so smart, not athletic, but just

967
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 3: so smart. He kept them under control at the end.

968
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 3: And that's what. That's that's what, that's what. That's what happened.

969
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

970
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 2: Uh So kind of wrapping up, you get traded the

971
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: next season to Minnesota. From pictures, it seems like, you know,

972
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 2: even after your time in Minnesota, you and KG were boys. Like,

973
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: seems like you guys got along. What was your KG experience?

974
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: That's kind of you know, what is that like year

975
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: eight or nine for him in Minnesota? He had that

976
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 2: run a few years before with Cassel and Spree. Well,

977
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: but now the team, you know, isn't a playoff team again.

978
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 2: But what was your overall experience like in Minnesota and

979
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: with KG?

980
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was, it was good. You know.

981
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: Not a lot of people know before I signed my

982
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: Cleveland deal, I actually got offered from Minnesota and that

983
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: was before they got Spree. Well, I got offered to Minnesota,

984
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: but Cleveland matched.

985
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 3: It, so I had to go back to Cleveland.

986
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: Uh So I had already wanted to be there with

987
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: Flip and all those guys and KG already. So when

988
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: I got there, I was I was already like all right,

989
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm here, you know, And it was amazing. That was

990
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: when I thought I worked hard. I thought I had

991
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: a he's in work ethic. Uh until I met KG.

992
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: The work ethic of that guy every practice, every minute,

993
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: every play, every second, it's amazing And how how he

994
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: does it, It's just it's amazing. And I thought I

995
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: had a work ethic, you know, showing up every day

996
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: every practice, you know, But I mean this guy playing

997
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: forty two minutes and then the next day he's practicing

998
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: every play. And I mean, like, you know, coaches like

999
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: sub out, and he like sub yourself, you know, you

1000
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: get out of here of somebody else, you know, no,

1001
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: And then like they pulling me to the side, like Rick,

1002
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: can you get him there at least sit out a

1003
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: couple you know, plays or something.

1004
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: You know, we need him for the thing.

1005
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: He like, Rick, don't listen to that shit, you know,

1006
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: don't listen to that. You know you sub yourself.

1007
00:50:58,480 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1008
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: He kept telling Michael, you can get out of here

1009
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 1: you keep doing trying to kep sell me, you know,

1010
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: And I was just looking at him like, man, I mean,

1011
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: it's amazing because I was sitting on the side of

1012
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: icing whatever first and game I was, and then heficing,

1013
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, the next day he got me practicing.

1014
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: So now after games, I'm practicing every play, every second.

1015
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: And I thought I was yeah, but no, Yeah, that

1016
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: was Rick.

1017
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 4: How much is that where on the other half of

1018
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: the team that the people that can't keep up with

1019
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 4: that type of pace like you had You had a

1020
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 4: mean work ethic, but he obviously took itself to almost

1021
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: biblical portions. He went Old Testament with his how much

1022
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 4: of it does it where on the rest of the group?

1023
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: The rest like there's people like you. It's like, all right,

1024
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 4: but I'm an ice now. But you know what I mean,

1025
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 4: I feel you. I'm gonna try this a couple of times,

1026
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: but I ain't gonna be doing this for eighty two

1027
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 4: games plus playoffs. How much does it affect the other

1028
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 4: locker room? And do you or have you seen it

1029
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: effect you know, the five six, seven guys at the

1030
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: end of the bench. Is it's stressful to be like

1031
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 4: I can't work like that, and he's supposed to be

1032
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: the leader, and is he going to look down on

1033
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 4: me because I can't wake up at five and do

1034
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 4: the stuff that he's doing. Like from what you've seen,

1035
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 4: is it stressful for the for the for the five, six, seven, eight,

1036
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: whether the rest of the half of the bench that

1037
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 4: can't do the things that you two guys can do.

1038
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: I think for maybe a few of them, yes, it

1039
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: does it where it wears a few of them out

1040
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,760
Speaker 1: only because for so long they think they probably can't

1041
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: do it, you know, and they locked into a certain

1042
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: way and they won't do it, And I think it

1043
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 1: wears on them. But like for certain people that coming

1044
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: in and certain dogs that's coming in, I think it,

1045
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: I get I think it's I love it. I loved it.

1046
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: It helped me out because it got me back to Miami.

1047
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: It got me back to we played great, but now

1048
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: we got something in a couple of days coming up here.

1049
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: We gotta get ready for it. So you know, you

1050
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 1: played great last night. I was great, but we feel

1051
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:11,240
Speaker 1: in practice it got me back to that. And because

1052
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: some people can take it and some people couldn't.

1053
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 3: But it does where on it wears on people.

1054
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: It wears on organizations now because our coaches don't know

1055
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: how to work in their subs or get their subs work,

1056
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: or people at different positions, So it does.

1057
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 3: We're at different people.

1058
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: You play with Gary Payton and Kevin Garden.

1059
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 4: At two straight years.

1060
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: Who are you taking in a in a trash Talk

1061
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 2: seven game series, Gary Payton or Kevin Garden?

1062
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 5: Jesus man, you you you gotta flip a coin.

1063
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you gotta flip a coin. Nobody's going.

1064
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 4: Because everybody, everybody, nobody, there will be no limit, you

1065
00:53:58,960 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 4: know what I mean.

1066
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 3: Neither one of them stopped.

1067
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody wins. The world loses when that happens because

1068
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: the nucle bombs will never say for real, you.

1069
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: Say they want you wouldn't be able to get what

1070
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 3: you're trying to achieve because.

1071
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 6: They want to stop. Yeah, they both gonna win.

1072
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: So wrapping up, Uh, you know you said you go

1073
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 2: back to Miami for more. Stop you get to is

1074
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: pat Riley. So the coach there, he was a coach

1075
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: for a quick second.

1076
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: It was what happened Stan. I think Stan was there

1077
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 3: and then uh they got rid of stand and uh

1078
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: uh I think Stan was there, and then Pat came back.

1079
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 4: He came back down.

1080
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 3: He came back down because.

1081
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: No, hold on, hold on, because this is I mean,

1082
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 2: this is what Wade is hurt this year.

1083
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: Uh And it was I think it was I think

1084
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: it was Stan left, and I think it was I

1085
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: think we had Eric.

1086
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 3: I think Eric was coming in. Eric.

1087
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, because supposer takes it over the next year.

1088
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they won the championship. But I think

1089
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: before that stand was and then Pat came in and

1090
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: he knew he was gonna win it and all that

1091
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: and all this, and and then uh so I had

1092
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: I think was there. Pat was back there, still kind

1093
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: of you know, moving his fingers a little bit back there,

1094
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: and they.

1095
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 3: Were still were still trying to chase that ring.

1096
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: But Shaq and d Wade kind of they fell out

1097
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: a little bit that year, and you know, I was like, man,

1098
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: what's up, not this year? Don't fall out right now.

1099
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, we're trying to get to that ring. And

1100
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, but it was a good season. We still

1101
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: we still falled in a little bit, but it wasn't right.

1102
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: I think Shaq left a little later that season.

1103
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't right before we let you go reck

1104
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 4: and I know before you I know you might have

1105
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 4: another question before we let you go. I want you

1106
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 4: to talk about going circling back to the men's gym.

1107
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 4: I want you to talk about for two questions. I

1108
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 4: want you to name your top five all men's gym performers,

1109
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 4: right because you were in there every year, every summer.

1110
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 4: But the first one, I want you to talk about

1111
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 4: your specific matchups with Kobe being Brian both in the

1112
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 4: men's gym and Memorial and Memorial High School.

1113
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1114
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 4: In Santa Monica when they were doing the men's gen

1115
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: Talk to me a little bit first about the match

1116
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: up between you and Kobe and the men's jam and Memorial,

1117
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 4: and then we'll move on to your top five men's

1118
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 4: gym performers. What was going on between the match up

1119
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 4: between you and Kobe and the men's gaen.

1120
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: Oh, man, that was that was like a war right there.

1121
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 4: That was.

1122
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: You know, going out there every day with that guy.

1123
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: That was amazing being able to you know, and it

1124
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: was free. Wasn't no coaches, wasn't no refs, wasn't no nothing.

1125
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: We can actually just go at each other every play.

1126
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: It was amazing, man, because I couldn't stop him, you know,

1127
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: And the only way I could stop him was to

1128
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: go back at him.

1129
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: Was in my mind, you know, because.

1130
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: I was playing like I could stop him, but I

1131
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: knew I couldn't stop him.

1132
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 3: I was just playing the miss, right, Yeah. But I

1133
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 3: was there on him.

1134
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: I was there on him every move and every tough

1135
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: But I knew, because I knew when I was moving

1136
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: and I was going, that he couldn't stop me.

1137
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 4: He couldn't there.

1138
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 3: He was there.

1139
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: But I think when we played each other, I think

1140
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 1: we took it to another level and it felt like

1141
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 1: we was in a championship game.

1142
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 4: As soon as he walked through the door, man he'd

1143
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 4: be having his shoes come on.

1144
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: Rick.

1145
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 1: He was, you know, been in the lamb. I know

1146
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: he's been in the lamb waiting and and he just

1147
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: did miss. He just didn't miss. He just didn't miss.

1148
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 4: And the great part about it was just letting y'all

1149
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 4: to go at it with the unknown basketball rule. Was like, nah,

1150
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 4: this is the thing that's gotta happen.

1151
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

1152
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: Nobody was calling for the ball, and nobody coming down

1153
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: there and looking for a post or you know, it

1154
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: was like it was more.

1155
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 4: Like, nah, we're gonna we're gonna cook, you know, get

1156
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 4: a miss and kicking back out and let them go

1157
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 4: back at each other. And there was some talented people

1158
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: in that gym.

1159
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: It was, man, it was it was everybody was in there, everybody, everybody.

1160
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: Everybody used to come did you.

1161
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: Did you did you play against Magic? Were you were you?

1162
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: Man?

1163
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to tell you. We used to have

1164
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 3: the squads go in that match me lines.

1165
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: We used to go at him every every what stopped

1166
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: does He used to have this thing was the three

1167
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: fould the three foul rule on one possession and this point.

1168
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 4: Was a bucket that and Paul tells the story. Paul

1169
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 4: tells the story, told the story on this ATS episode.

1170
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 4: How he would call it the game point foul. No

1171
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 4: matter what matter, you can go.

1172
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: You can go down there and throw it off the

1173
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: glass and do a win meal everybody because you're so

1174
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: happy to beat Magic's team.

1175
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 4: And then all you hear is.

1176
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: Tall, yeah, bring bring that.

1177
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: Excuse me, that's not I'm fad to show you. Bring

1178
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 4: that back.

1179
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: And they always at this game point and I'm like, man,

1180
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: that's cheap, man, that's cheap.

1181
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 6: I'm going I'm going crazy crazy. He says, hey, chill out, Iowa.

1182
00:59:55,400 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 4: Bring who were the top your performers in the men's

1183
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 4: gym every summer? Rick that you can't remember who's Ricky

1184
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: Davis's top five men's gym performers every summer every summer.

1185
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 4: Because you can put yourself off, so you can put

1186
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 4: your and you can put yourself on there because you

1187
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 4: was one of them. I was in there. He was

1188
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 4: one of them. Go ahead, and it might not be

1189
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: who you think it is, like I got a couple

1190
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 4: of randoms where you be like really, but I'd be

1191
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 4: like in the men's gym in the summer, Yes, i'mula say,

1192
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 4: oh okay for sure me yep? You with my brother Kobe,

1193
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 4: come on. Mitchell Butler for whatever reason, he gotta be

1194
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 4: up there. Yep. Paul.

1195
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 1: Definitely Paul Paul because he would come from the dunes

1196
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: and he would be getting back when he showed up.

1197
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 4: He wasn't there the whole summer, but when he showed

1198
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 4: up when he can.

1199
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: Lemon Lemon was a killer. We need a top eight, yea,

1200
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: we do we need to do? Because there was b

1201
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: rust Yeah, there was b rush for it was really

1202
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,600
Speaker 1: the random players come in there. What about Derek A

1203
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: little Derek left hand, Derek Dearry Martin, Uh Hollywood, Holly.

1204
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 4: Wood Robinson was frying in the man's jam. He was

1205
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 4: doing anything that he wanted to do.

1206
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 2: Were there cameras? Were there? Were there cameras back then?

1207
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: And people any of this on tape? None of it

1208
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: because there there needs to security.

1209
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 4: But oh something, Yeah, we'll even take the security fitters.

1210
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 4: We have none of that.

1211
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 3: Man.

1212
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 4: It's literally like hooping in the library.

1213
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 3: Yes, for real.

1214
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: No, nobody was taking pictures and nobody had the phones.

1215
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: We might have had the briefcase phone or the little

1216
01:01:58,920 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: key mobile boy.

1217
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man.

1218
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: My last question for you is the Steve Nash dunk.

1219
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: You had a few dunks. I think your your strategy

1220
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 2: when you're on the break was just to put your

1221
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 2: knee up and if it comes through the dude's chest head,

1222
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: that's cool. But Steve Nash, I don't know if he

1223
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 2: sat out a few games after that or some doubt,

1224
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: but relived the Steve Nash though for us, because I

1225
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: think that's one of the just the craziest dunks ever.

1226
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, man, that was that.

1227
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: I was I was rolling that that them like that

1228
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: that them two months.

1229
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 3: I was like, just I was just jumping. I don't

1230
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 3: know what happened.

1231
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: That was just I was just flying, you know cause

1232
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: like two weeks before that, I had just dunked on

1233
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: Charlie Ward just.

1234
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: Like that, almost just like that, but it wasn't so much.

1235
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 3: But I don't know. I was just in his zone.

1236
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: I got gain his zone and the fast break and

1237
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: then I don't really see nothing. But all I could

1238
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 1: see was just him backing up, like kind of retreating

1239
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: instead of stopping the ball. Because usually I get to

1240
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: steal and they'll kind of stop the ball and I'll

1241
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: give it up to try to get it back or

1242
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: give it up to try to get the lib, you know.

1243
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 3: But he just kept backing up and backing up and

1244
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: backing up, and I was just like.

1245
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm gonna take off, you know, I'm gonna And

1246
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: I just took off, and you know, if you slow

1247
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: the film down, I almost broke my neck.

1248
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 3: So the old shit, if you slow it down.

1249
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: When I dunk and I almost was going down, but

1250
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: as now I'm coming up, my left hand grabs the

1251
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: rim and it straightens me out. So I'm going down

1252
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: as I hit dunking. I was going down and then

1253
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: straightened me up.

1254
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 3: And I come down like, oh shit. So that's where

1255
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 3: the oh, that's where it came from. Man.

1256
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: So if y'all watch the film, you'll see me going down.

1257
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: But the one little, slight, little hit of the rim it.

1258
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: Brought me back. Man.

1259
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: But I don't know what Steve was thinking. I don't

1260
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: know what he was doing taking that chuck.

1261
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 4: He wasn't. I'm a slider one because I feel like

1262
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 4: I need to and I want to hear, and I

1263
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: haven't talked to you in a long time. You're a

1264
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 4: coach now, right, Yeah, how when you have when Ricky Davis,

1265
01:04:21,600 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 4: the coach and the man that he is now, goes

1266
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 4: back and looks at the triple double tent, how do

1267
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 4: you how do you?

1268
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1269
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you good. I know you let it

1270
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 4: roll off your back. But when you, as Ricky Davis said,

1271
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 4: is that just a moment and you just rolled off

1272
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 4: your back? Or do you sit back and look like,

1273
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 4: uh yeah, I was tricking with that one, you know

1274
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: what I mean? Yeah?

1275
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, even even before I stepped

1276
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,360
Speaker 1: into the coaching I was.

1277
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 3: Already like I was.

1278
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, yeah, well you're really thinking trick, you know.

1279
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 1: But to see it now and see it over and

1280
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: over again, and it's just like I was really hood.

1281
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 3: I was. You say, you could take the hood out,

1282
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 3: the boy out the I was.

1283
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,920
Speaker 1: Really still at the park that day, but it was

1284
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 1: a story to that that was almost like my fifth

1285
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: game away from a triple double. Whether it was almost

1286
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: happening in a way or one assist away, it was

1287
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: like the fifth straight game thirty two, twenty nine, eleven

1288
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: and nine and and so five minutes left, somebody yell out, trick,

1289
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: you need one rebound, and I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm

1290
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 1: about to get this.

1291
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 3: I look up, it's thirty seconds left, no rebound.

1292
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not lying, You're not You're not lying, man.

1293
01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah too, was in the hood in the park. I

1294
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:06,560
Speaker 2: was gone, there's a great h have you have you?

1295
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:08,919
Speaker 2: Have you seen what Jerry Sloan said after the game,

1296
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 2: You hit a great clip because because Deshaun Stevenson like

1297
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:15,479
Speaker 2: basically tackles you after that.

1298
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, they hit me hard and like what.

1299
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 4: Are you doing?

1300
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: They thought I was embarrassing, in which I did. But

1301
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: that's what I can tell my kids now. You know,

1302
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: you got to get out your box. You know, you

1303
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: got out your box while you're playing. It's more than

1304
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 1: just your box. You're playing with it for the it's

1305
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: a team. It's one goal, one unite, one win, you know.

1306
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: And I was in my box at that moment. And

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01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: if I wasn't in my box, I would have just

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Speaker 1: got the ball, you know, And and it wouldn't I

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01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't know the effect I calls, you know, embarrassment to me,

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,640
Speaker 1: my team, my legend, you know, and all that stuff.

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Speaker 4: I don't think your career is going to I think

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01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 4: you've done way too much on the basketball court to

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01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 4: let that moment, you know what I mean. We can

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01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 4: laugh about it now, we laugh at it then, you

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01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like you just told the explanation,

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01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Right there, I was back

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01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 4: somewhere else in my element for a minute, because you know,

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01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: a triple double means a lot. If you're flirting with

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01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 4: a triple double, the backstory to that means a whole lot,

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 4: a lot of reason why we do while we do

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01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 4: forgotten seasons to get people's inside the things. But I

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Speaker 4: just want you to let you know, as a basketball historian,

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01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 4: as somebody, as a friend. As somebody who's played in

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01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: the NBA and watched the greats and watch you go

1325
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 4: up here against the grapes, your story or legacy could

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01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 4: never be affected by one, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: for that moment in time or any other I was there,

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01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. A lot of people talk

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01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: about we got journalists, people in the media, people have

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01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 4: been around the team. But as a person who was

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01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 4: there and witness these things, I think your name goes

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01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 4: handed hand. Statistically might be one thing, but as far

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01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 4: as talent level work ethic and putting together a career,

1334
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 4: a body of NBA work, yours goes up there with

1335
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 4: the rest of the generation of two guards from who

1336
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 4: you've learned from, you competed against. So I just wanted

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01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 4: to tell you that and give you, you know, flowers

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 4: from brother to brother. You know, I was fucking to

1339
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 4: you in a long time. But you know, just watching

1340
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 4: your career, knowing what you went through to get to

1341
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 4: the NBA, what you went through during your career, you

1342
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 4: could have easily been a six point or a pointed

1343
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 4: game score, you know what I mean. But you did

1344
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 4: things your way, you know what I mean, Like you

1345
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,639
Speaker 4: know what I mean you elevated your play every year

1346
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 4: you elevated I feel like basketball at the end of

1347
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 4: the day because your competitiveness and your drive. So just

1348
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 4: going to it knowing that I know as a former

1349
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 4: player when we were back on CHILEI shit, we did,

1350
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 4: were like, man, what was our own? And it affects

1351
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 4: the way you think about your career, Like you forgot

1352
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 4: you was cooking the best of the best for as

1353
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 4: long as you could, you know what I mean, right

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 4: up until you know what I mean, you couldn't cook

1355
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 4: nobody no more or they didn't want you to cook

1356
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,160
Speaker 4: no more, you know what I mean. So so so

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01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 4: that part. So I just want to you know, as

1358
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 4: we're coming too the clothes, give you your flowers and

1359
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:11,680
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And hats off to you.

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01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 4: I'm so proud you're a coach man. You have a

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01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 4: lot to offer. Yeah, you forgot a lot a lot

1362
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 4: of basketball that you have so much to offer on

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01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 4: the court, off the court, you're philanthropic in the community, Ricky,

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Congratulations on your big Are

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 4: you still playing in the victory? Yeah? Still playing the

1366
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 4: big Yeah. I know you're the leading scorer. I know

1367
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 4: you'd like the leading scorer now, so congratulations and continue

1368
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 4: success with all that and health man, you know what

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01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,519
Speaker 4: I mean. We appreciate you coming on my brother. Man.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you so much. Line, I thank so much man,

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01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: and for you same thing, bro. Uh, just to just

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01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,799
Speaker 1: grow up and what you've been through and all that stuff, man,

1373
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,480
Speaker 1: and and how you handle it and how you professional,

1374
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: how you took everything and you know, used it as

1375
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: your fuel and your fire and you know your background

1376
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: and where you come from, you know, heads off to YouTube, brother.

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Speaker 3: I love you, man, I appreciate having me and thank you, bro. Yeah.

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01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 4: Oh love sir.

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01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Deal Yeah no, uh, that's it.

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: I can't say I can't say anything after that one,

1383
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 2: so I'm gonna cun it after that.

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Speaker 4: Also, I'll say something for you know what I mean,

1385
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 4: forgotten seasons.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 4: This has been a platform. This is cathartic for people

1388
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 4: like me and Ricky and former players to talk to

1389
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 4: each other, scheduling families. You know, people getting out of

1390
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 4: touch like me and Ricky will forever be linked his

1391
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 4: family and we don't always get to talk, you know

1392
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 4: what I mean like that, So hats off to you Dylan,

1393
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and providing you know, a

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01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 4: platform where we could come be ourselves and have you know,

1395
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 4: feel comfortable sharing stories and you know, catching up with

1396
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,240
Speaker 4: each other so you don't have to say anything. You

1397
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 4: started Forgotten Season. Absolutely, I appreciate it. I appreciate that, man.

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01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 4: We need it.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure and this was great, Ricky, thank you for

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Speaker 2: your time.

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01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you, bro. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: That is a wrap for Forgotten Seasons with Ricky Davis.

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01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,760
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