Speaker 1: Laugh, laugh. If you watch coffee Time too, Baby, you
Speaker 1: know the name flame, my role also known as my
Speaker 1: role Flame. Come in with last and come in with
Speaker 1: Jim Love Launds. Baby, you better catch it when you
Speaker 1: can't drop a knowledge from fatherhood to politics, shouting now comics,
Speaker 1: just paying homics. What's up? Tip? Yeah? You know she
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Speaker 1: We're gonna last cut of the kicking and at the
Speaker 1: end we leave it, which is a lift dispirit. You
Speaker 1: think you want to revisit, So your friends take a listen,
Speaker 1: folk say split, oh folks that we dig it. No
Speaker 1: do what you do, No do what you don't? No kiss,
Speaker 1: do what I do? Were flame? Hello? Nick? How was
Speaker 1: your week? My week was good. You know, I'll just
Speaker 1: share with you and and you know this Flame, but
Speaker 1: I'll share with Lauren and the Flamets and Vouchets and
Speaker 1: everybody out there listening. I went on hand and booked
Speaker 1: arrangements to go see my mom, and I'm super excited
Speaker 1: about that, having not seen my mom and about oh fame.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this almost two years directly. You know,
Speaker 1: we see each other, We talk all the time. We
Speaker 1: do the FaceTime and all of that. COVID stopped us.
Speaker 1: But the last time I was physically in my mother's
Speaker 1: presence was when I had my mom and everybody, the
Speaker 1: rest of my family um come to d C. So
Speaker 1: we were all in d C and we did the
Speaker 1: museum and all that stuff together. But that was April
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Yep. So but ye know that's me, y'all.
Speaker 1: I phone every day, right y'all? What they call that
Speaker 1: when you got absolutely we FaceTime, face FaceTime. We FaceTime
Speaker 1: and my mother likes your Google, your due hang out. Uh,
Speaker 1: so we do that all the time. But my mother,
Speaker 1: you know, doesn't want to be caught Lauren. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, don't face time with other people around and
Speaker 1: let me know so I can put on some hair,
Speaker 1: you know, and everything we get me on there so
Speaker 1: that can be called no black woman, that's you. You
Speaker 1: can't be calling no black woman out of the blue.
Speaker 1: And she ain't got a damn hair around. You know
Speaker 1: how we do calls and everything else. You gotta prepare people.
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, did you see the video of the
Speaker 1: lady the other day she was in being she had
Speaker 1: a week on and the Zoom meet was over. She
Speaker 1: snaped the week off and went back up under the cover.
Speaker 1: That's very me. Oh my god, that's me too. I'll
Speaker 1: just keep the camera off. This morning, I had an
Speaker 1: eight am called with the like folks in my organizations
Speaker 1: that I know. So they had scarf glasses and everything else,
Speaker 1: like this is what y'all get in the eight o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning. So period, Well, nicko, let's open up
Speaker 1: the Floodlinds and let's get the started with what we're
Speaker 1: talking about calls. I just want to remind everyone that
Speaker 1: if they had they want to chime in, to make
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Speaker 1: all know that we really do value your feedback. Your
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Speaker 1: you want to sign a sound off, you use the
Speaker 1: flames in the comments. I see y'all comments say, y'all
Speaker 1: only see half of me. I have to sit a
Speaker 1: certain way because us yesterday when we were at the
Speaker 1: photo shoot. Oh, I was bent through in my bad
Speaker 1: you know, getting out my articles to change clothes. But
Speaker 1: I didn't kneel down. I just bent over. Baby. When
Speaker 1: I stood up, whoa, Lauren had to crack my back.
Speaker 1: My back was killing me. It's still bothering. My back
Speaker 1: is killing me. But I took a After the age
Speaker 1: of thirty, we have to squat, you know, we're supposed
Speaker 1: to use our knees. Who's thirty, Well, once you reach thirty,
Speaker 1: you need to I'm a twenty nine and a half.
Speaker 1: I'm almost there, though. Nick. Let's talk about this week.
Speaker 1: Let me what what what we started. Let me start
Speaker 1: with parenting and respect on both ends of the spectrum
Speaker 1: of being a parent and a child. Respect is not
Speaker 1: only given or given. You have to give respect. I mean.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, y'all know what the hell
Speaker 1: I mean. You have to in in order to receive it,
Speaker 1: you have to give it. When I say that, I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the video that happened between Kirk Franklin and
Speaker 1: his son k Ryan. Let me explain something to you.
Speaker 1: Do I think that Kirk Franklin was wrong for cussing
Speaker 1: out his kids. I do not I have cussed out
Speaker 1: my children. Do I think that he was wrong for
Speaker 1: calling his kids some of the names that he chose
Speaker 1: to call his kid? You goddamn right, you get you
Speaker 1: don't call your son black man in this America, in
Speaker 1: this country, a bitch asked nigger publicly where he didn't
Speaker 1: know he's being taped or if that's how he and
Speaker 1: then you see how it didn't even break the son down.
Speaker 1: Then he told the son, I break your mothercking skull,
Speaker 1: and don't you ever disrespect me, your broke ass. This
Speaker 1: is your child. This is your kid. Whatever he is,
Speaker 1: he belongs to you. Whatever he becomes, he still belongs
Speaker 1: to you. If I went in that room and talk
Speaker 1: to my son the way he talked to his kid,
Speaker 1: my son will have a meltdown because my son is
Speaker 1: not accustomed to me. He's speaking to him in that manner.
Speaker 1: So this is how you know that this boy was
Speaker 1: used to that, Because the boy didn't break down. The
Speaker 1: boy stood his ground and come on, come on, I
Speaker 1: dare you, I dare you. That's because he was used
Speaker 1: to being spoken to by Kirk Franklin. Y'all said what
Speaker 1: y'all want to about all these Christians and Gospels and saved.
Speaker 1: They still regular people. The point was that nobody probably
Speaker 1: believed this boy, and he ended up recording his daddy.
Speaker 1: And that's what the problem is, because he probably have
Speaker 1: told people that he was talking to him crazy, but
Speaker 1: then he was smart enough to record it. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you something, Kirk Franklin with that weak ass apology,
Speaker 1: because that what you apologize to us, because if you'd
Speaker 1: have called me a bitch, asked nigga, I'd have called
Speaker 1: you one back. That's what they say about you behind
Speaker 1: closed doors anyway, with them tight as suits, some real talk, Okay, Lord,
Speaker 1: I said my piece. As a daddy, I would never
Speaker 1: call my son bitch as I do call Ni Nick
Speaker 1: if you don't get in here and take this guy
Speaker 1: bute out, if you don't come clean up my bathroom.
Speaker 1: But I would never disrespect my son and didn't expect
Speaker 1: him to respect me as his father period, because the
Speaker 1: sword goes both ways. I'm sorry, Lord, just come on,
Speaker 1: I'm acting like Nicholas today. We're starting early today. I
Speaker 1: don't mixed. I haven't mixed feelings about it, because you know,
Speaker 1: he still is a parent and my upbringing, we've my
Speaker 1: household like it's it's very honest, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: and I have an older brother or eight years apart.
Speaker 1: My dad is very strict with him. You know. I've
Speaker 1: heard my dad say some very stern things to my brother. Um,
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of in the middle because the other
Speaker 1: part of me, too, is I don't really like the
Speaker 1: fact that Kirk Franklin's son recorded this conversation and aired
Speaker 1: it for public view. Now. I don't know, maybe he
Speaker 1: feels like he's been verbally abused all of his life
Speaker 1: and he wants to finally, you know, show the public
Speaker 1: who his father is. But I just feel like family
Speaker 1: business needs to stay family business, and you didn't need
Speaker 1: to air your dad's dirty laundry like that. If y'all
Speaker 1: had a real issue and you just felt like you
Speaker 1: could move past it, then sometimes, you know, just because
Speaker 1: your family doesn't mean that you'll have to be together,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like, I have family members
Speaker 1: that I don't speak to, and it is what it is.
Speaker 1: So if you felt that serious in your spirit that
Speaker 1: you just didn't think this relationship with your father was
Speaker 1: going to work, then just separate ties, like, just let
Speaker 1: it go. Everything is not meant to be, but to
Speaker 1: take it and air it, I don't really have any
Speaker 1: respect for that. I don't think he should have done that, Lauren.
Speaker 1: Just to kind of piggyback off of what you said,
Speaker 1: I think I'm more aligned with what you just said there.
Speaker 1: I think that anytime a family situation is it should
Speaker 1: stay in the family. That's just my idea. Particularly discrepancies
Speaker 1: like that UH, those things should be handled internally. I
Speaker 1: do think too. I might have felt differently if the
Speaker 1: Sun were a child, but because this was an adult male,
Speaker 1: I'm I think I'm giving a little bit more latitude
Speaker 1: to the language in the exchange because I look at
Speaker 1: it as man to man more so than um man
Speaker 1: to boy or man to child. Even though that is
Speaker 1: his son. It is clear this is not the first
Speaker 1: time they've engaged that way, So I think that, Um,
Speaker 1: it was uncomfortable for me to hear because it became public.
Speaker 1: Let me just say that, But now that it is public,
Speaker 1: I felt like, wow, UM, I think that I need
Speaker 1: to step back simply because this is a family that
Speaker 1: clearly UH engages this way with one another. In the
Speaker 1: times that we live in, with the councel culture and
Speaker 1: with reality TV ain't shut off limits no more, and
Speaker 1: nothing is off Nothing is off limits because we have
Speaker 1: reality TV that we adore. We run to watch the
Speaker 1: foolishness and the buffoonery, and as much as some of
Speaker 1: it is scripted in stage, so much of it is true.
Speaker 1: Look at that video, rewatch that. Listen to that video again.
Speaker 1: That man talked to his son like he did not
Speaker 1: even know this man. This is how. This is what
Speaker 1: I heard as a father. I'm not speaking as somebody
Speaker 1: else done outside how. I always have said that I
Speaker 1: never want to lose the respect of my son because
Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat him a certain way. And I'm transgender.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with titties, were dresses and wigs and
Speaker 1: ship and he knows exactly who I am. But losing
Speaker 1: his respect would have started in his youth, when he
Speaker 1: very young. He's now a teen. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that. But that's my thing too, though. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess people can say I think I think he's
Speaker 1: thirty three. He is, But what I'm saying Kirkmen talking
Speaker 1: to that boy like that for years. My only question
Speaker 1: is God, if he speaks to his thirty three year
Speaker 1: old son in this capacity his firstborn. I want to
Speaker 1: know how he talks to his other children, off, I
Speaker 1: want to know how he talks to people who work
Speaker 1: for him. I want to know how he treated the family,
Speaker 1: because the family is no longer with him but my thing.
Speaker 1: But to the point of he's thirty three and we
Speaker 1: don't know what his upbringing is like and how he's
Speaker 1: being talked to, I think is you're also a grown
Speaker 1: ass man at this point, and if you don't like
Speaker 1: the way your daddy's talking to you, you can buck
Speaker 1: back and say something, I'm so sorry, but not enough
Speaker 1: for me, he was because that I just feel like,
Speaker 1: if you're that, you know, firm in your stance of
Speaker 1: you want to air your daddy's dirty laundry and this
Speaker 1: is how he's talking to me, you better buck back
Speaker 1: accordingly and stop acting like, oh, you know this little
Speaker 1: boy in his face, in his face, not all over
Speaker 1: the phone, but right right there, square up with him,
Speaker 1: right there and there. If that's what you want, absolutely
Speaker 1: I'm with you. I'm with you. Hurt people to hurt
Speaker 1: hurt people. I'm gonna say it again, hurt people. Yes
Speaker 1: they do. And I have to believe because that's not
Speaker 1: Kurt's only child, so I have to believe, like like
Speaker 1: some parents, he's probably ranked them. That's not the favorite child,
Speaker 1: like you don't love I'm thinking he probably does not
Speaker 1: love them all equally. Is that fair? That's terrible to say.
Speaker 1: That's terrible, terrible. It's very true, but it's terrible to say.
Speaker 1: We don't that, but we don't say that out loud,
Speaker 1: that you're the favorite child your kids equally, because like
Speaker 1: even the daughter came out and said that she was
Speaker 1: defending her father. I don't know if you guys saw
Speaker 1: that video, but you don't say that allowed Nick a favorite.
Speaker 1: I have a favorite kid, I absolutely do. It's Timmy
Speaker 1: because he don't talk back the dog, and he didn't
Speaker 1: tell you how past my kids is. We gotta stim
Speaker 1: me to check the other day, so I gave each
Speaker 1: one of my kids fo hundred allars a piece they spent.
Speaker 1: They don't need ship, they don't need nothing. I just gave.
Speaker 1: I asked them which one y'all gonna take me to lunch?
Speaker 1: My son said, I just gave you now a hundred dollars. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let that sit on y'all brain. That's he
Speaker 1: just I just gave you now a hundred dollars. That's
Speaker 1: what I should have said. There, there you go. You
Speaker 1: should have recorded that where you go. I love it.
Speaker 1: You had me rolling with that. They'll play with the
Speaker 1: stimulus checks. You were talking about how they all dropped
Speaker 1: on Friday, And sure enough, this kind of leads into
Speaker 1: our next topic. Uh, it seems like people were going
Speaker 1: crazy this weekend with a little bit of shopping all
Speaker 1: over the places like shopping. It looks like spring breakers
Speaker 1: went crazy in Florida and police had to respond to
Speaker 1: the number and sizes of crowds. Now, mind you, there
Speaker 1: are those who are arguing that these checks dropped right
Speaker 1: around the same time that the vaccine has opened up
Speaker 1: to more people and that um, we have not reached
Speaker 1: herd immunity. So uh, you know, there are some who
Speaker 1: are concerned that we may see another spike in the virus. Well,
Speaker 1: let's just say it is Florida has been open, okay,
Speaker 1: and Florida, Florida never closed. The scientists basically said Corona
Speaker 1: wasn't real. He was fudging, you know, COVID cases and
Speaker 1: numbers and everything else. Florida never closed. And so for
Speaker 1: the simple fact that you can. The beaches are open,
Speaker 1: spring breakers are going to flock there. That's just natural.
Speaker 1: And as one that used to do it frequently in college,
Speaker 1: I always went to Miami for spring break, and it's
Speaker 1: it's just gonna happen, you know what I mean. The
Speaker 1: cases they may go up, but you're not going to
Speaker 1: really know because Florida hasn't been honest with any of
Speaker 1: their numbers since the pandemic you know happened. Is it
Speaker 1: is what it is like? Is anybody surprised? I'm not.
Speaker 1: I think that people are probably just frustrated. Well that's
Speaker 1: it right there. That's why I told them I wasn't
Speaker 1: sending my kid back to school because have you seen
Speaker 1: the big fight in the college in the high school
Speaker 1: basketball weekend in Virginia, whether the white and the black
Speaker 1: team were playing against each other where it was a
Speaker 1: predominantly white school and predominantly black school. Predominant black school
Speaker 1: came to the predominantly white school to play a basketball game.
Speaker 1: During the game, the entire game, the audience as well
Speaker 1: as the team members call them racial slurs, all kind
Speaker 1: of in words and everything else. The referees never intervened,
Speaker 1: They never said anything. A huge, massive fight broke out.
Speaker 1: After the fight, people have been locked down for a year.
Speaker 1: We are like caged animals. You're gonna just let us
Speaker 1: go and give us some money and say go, We're
Speaker 1: gonna go. They're gonna spread. No, I'm serious. That was that.
Speaker 1: Somebody could have died for that. And with you watching
Speaker 1: the news and watching social media and listen to all
Speaker 1: this racial hate in this country, and then you put
Speaker 1: these kids against each other and they got the parents
Speaker 1: in the stands and other students calling these kids niggas
Speaker 1: and you ain't this and you're black and you're what,
Speaker 1: you're worthless and woo woo. Of course they're gonna last out. Baby,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, we are on the po
Speaker 1: the kig of I ain't sitting my kids in school
Speaker 1: because y'all unleash all these craziest kids. And if you
Speaker 1: knew little Johnny was crazy before you, before the coronavirus
Speaker 1: hit and the teachers been sending notes home, little Johnny
Speaker 1: is still crazy. He even more crazy now because he's
Speaker 1: been home with your crazy ask for a whole year.
Speaker 1: I ain't sending my kids in school with a Johnny.
Speaker 1: I don't Johnny Johnny might be like that, like that
Speaker 1: senator in uh in d C. What's her name, Marjorie? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that bitch. Yeah, I said at that bitch. Okay, where
Speaker 1: we're going. Where we're going, Coach, I'm on it, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: What's our next time? Oh? We talked about a little
Speaker 1: bit of everything, you know we said before we opened
Speaker 1: up to the flame mats. We would talk about one
Speaker 1: of the things that have been uh top of line.
Speaker 1: Because you also talked about how much you enjoyed watching
Speaker 1: the Grammys and you want to give a shout out
Speaker 1: to your sister. I ain't watching the Grammys. I ain't
Speaker 1: told you that because I was at a photo shoot.
Speaker 1: I do know that. Boss one our boss, right, Tiffany
Speaker 1: hattish my baby it want to grab me? For Best
Speaker 1: Comedy Album. The first time since two thousand and two
Speaker 1: that a black woman with last black woman to win
Speaker 1: for a comedy album was Whoopi Goldberg. So Tiffany just
Speaker 1: one that for Best Comedy Album. Congratulations Tiffany Hatt this
Speaker 1: we love you. Hear it, laugh and learn the executive
Speaker 1: producer and uh Andre Day was nominated. Who won? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's the best. That's for Grant that's Oscars. Also say
Speaker 1: Andre get ud get nominated for an Oscar but on
Speaker 1: the Grammys front, so we had a lot of first time,
Speaker 1: a lot of first times, and so like let us
Speaker 1: see finally won her first Grammy. So shout out for
Speaker 1: lot to see. I do want to say, though, that
Speaker 1: I have one mad respect for Beyonce because she just
Speaker 1: made history. So shout out to Beyonce. She has officially
Speaker 1: won twenty eight Grammys, the first female artist to ever
Speaker 1: do so. But also too, I want to give a
Speaker 1: shout out to miss Cardi b the wait, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: before you get off Beyonce, you gotta go to her baby.
Speaker 1: Oh and yes, Ms Blue Ivy, let me tell you
Speaker 1: all a story about bid real quick. Okay, since we're
Speaker 1: gonna bring up Blue Ivy, I remember what was this?
Speaker 1: Three years ago? I went to um Miss Tina Nose
Speaker 1: Lawsons Worrible Art Gallup and I realized how rich Blue
Speaker 1: Ivy was. When we were at the auction portion of
Speaker 1: the event and she was casually trying to outbid Tyler
Speaker 1: Perry on a painting. I said, wow, it must be
Speaker 1: nice seven years old, seven years old. Just nope, I
Speaker 1: got money. I'm gonna get this painting. It took her
Speaker 1: father to say, put the put the paddle down. We're
Speaker 1: not We're not doing that anymore. But I'm just saying
Speaker 1: congratulations to her. It must be that baby she's got,
Speaker 1: she's got receipts and she's eight. So I didn't watch
Speaker 1: it either, but you were talking about how much you
Speaker 1: want to mention that. That's why I was segu into that.
Speaker 1: But you Gail King talked about how I guess at
Speaker 1: some point Beyonce said to her that she was proud
Speaker 1: of her, and Gail saying, as a mother and as
Speaker 1: a parent, there's nothing you can do more than to
Speaker 1: tell your children that you're proud of them. That that
Speaker 1: just right. Go back to that first conversation we was having.
Speaker 1: Tell your son or your daughter that you're proud of
Speaker 1: them instead of called them bits what I say, and
Speaker 1: don't tell him that who's the favorite and who's not
Speaker 1: your broke? As? How do you call your son broke
Speaker 1: and you are gospel superstar? If he yoke, he shouldn't
Speaker 1: be broke. He should be spending your money. But also
Speaker 1: to a Grammars fan, I do, like I said, I
Speaker 1: want to shout out Cardi B as well, because I
Speaker 1: think as a whole, a lot of people felt that
Speaker 1: many artists are popular artists were snubbed for the Grammys
Speaker 1: this year, and a lot of people were outraged. But
Speaker 1: Cardi B actually came out yesterday and said, I know
Speaker 1: a lot of you guys feel upset and that you
Speaker 1: were snubbed. However, this was the first year that the
Speaker 1: Recording Academy nominated so many independent black artists in the
Speaker 1: history of the nomination process. So she said, we still
Speaker 1: need to honor these folks that are getting their dues
Speaker 1: at this point in time. You know, they put in
Speaker 1: the work and they're finally getting their recognition, even if
Speaker 1: it's not the most popular artist. This is their time
Speaker 1: to shine. So I appreciate Cardi B saying that she
Speaker 1: was absolutely right. My uncle want to Grammy yesterday? Well
Speaker 1: another one it's like his. I think it's like a
Speaker 1: six now. Congratulations uncle. So I'm very happy about everybody
Speaker 1: in their accomplishments. Um as a whole, I got a question,
Speaker 1: when is Alexa and Syria gonna get a Grammy? And
Speaker 1: beyond the kids Alexa and Sirie, Rummy and Rummy and sir,
Speaker 1: So you show you what I know, honey, Rummy, Oh
Speaker 1: I love that was the thing that you talked to.
Speaker 1: That is the Alexa and Siria, that is who you
Speaker 1: talked to. You know, I thought that was Beyonce kids name. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm look, show you what I know. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 1: I know what I want to talk about. So this
Speaker 1: week there was a big, big bruhaha over at the
Speaker 1: talk because Sharon Osborne and um Show Underwood had a
Speaker 1: little riff, well not even a riff. Sharon Osburg made
Speaker 1: some very disparaging comments, and I said disparage because I
Speaker 1: watched to see what we seeing. Um you know what
Speaker 1: bothers me about people who don't think that they're racist
Speaker 1: when they say they don't see it, if they act
Speaker 1: like they don't see it. I know in Britain it
Speaker 1: maybe a little different because she is British. But yeah,
Speaker 1: Pierce Morgan was out of pocket. SRL Underwood did not
Speaker 1: corner her. But I didn't like the fact that Sure
Speaker 1: Sharon Osboard went around and I do like the fact
Speaker 1: that she did stop me sure when Sure it was
Speaker 1: don't start that crying because misure always breaks down crying.
Speaker 1: I know that from experience on Comic View two thousand
Speaker 1: and five. If you don't believe me, watch it. She'll
Speaker 1: just started crying to change the narrative. But I'm not fighting,
Speaker 1: sure because Sheryl stood her ground. So sure they're right.
Speaker 1: But now they have put the talk on hiatus, so
Speaker 1: we don't know what's going on over there. What do
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna do? Um, we're living in a
Speaker 1: strange time of councel culture. What you think they're gonna do?
Speaker 1: I honestly, I mean, I don't want to say anybody
Speaker 1: should be fired, because I just think that that's bad
Speaker 1: Carmen to put on yourself, because that's somebody's livelies. But
Speaker 1: I think that I'll say this. I think Sharon's comments
Speaker 1: were very problematic. And we said this last week that
Speaker 1: I find it very offensive when white people don't acknowledge
Speaker 1: they're the fact that they're racist and then expect us
Speaker 1: black folks to educate them on why they're being racist.
Speaker 1: I think that is the most disrespectful thing that you
Speaker 1: can do. You can go educate yourself. And Sharon Osborne
Speaker 1: was completely wrong. She was a absolutely wrong. She came
Speaker 1: out and said people forget that Pierce Morgan is being paid,
Speaker 1: you know, to share his opinion. And Pierce Morgan, I
Speaker 1: stand with you until you understand the const the context
Speaker 1: of something, or understand fully what's happening. Don't put yourself
Speaker 1: out on front street and then try to play victim
Speaker 1: when ship backfires on you. Absolutely not. So Sharon Osborne
Speaker 1: needs to be held accountable for her statement and what
Speaker 1: she did. Whatever those you know, repercussions are, let them
Speaker 1: be what they may. I'm not gonna put anything negative
Speaker 1: on anybody, but she should have known better, especially in
Speaker 1: this climate. She really should have known better. I understand
Speaker 1: that Sharon and that this is not related, but I
Speaker 1: think it speaks to maybe a character a bit. I
Speaker 1: understand that Sharon was behind the firing of Holly Pete Robinson.
Speaker 1: You know, she was a sweet woman, uh that you know,
Speaker 1: Sharon had a problem with Holly Robinson Pete, and I
Speaker 1: understand instead of speaking to Holly Robinson Pete directly about
Speaker 1: what she had a problem with, she did the thing
Speaker 1: that so many do. Uh. They went to network and
Speaker 1: they complained. But you know, Flam and I were talking
Speaker 1: about just this whole cancel culture overall, and I feel
Speaker 1: as though, Um, Sharon, unfortunately in one I do believe
Speaker 1: the onus is on the individual to educate themselves or
Speaker 1: at least be open to hearing the feedback from those
Speaker 1: who feel either marginalized or feel as though, Uh, there
Speaker 1: are issues around race that need a bit more nuanced
Speaker 1: or at least compassion. Um. We're seeing that now, with
Speaker 1: that with Chris Harrison for The Bachelor, Rhett. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: we're seeing that in so many different instances of people
Speaker 1: who are being let go. I'm from Chicago, as you
Speaker 1: all know, and there's a popular sports anchor, Mark j
Speaker 1: and Greco just got fired. Good he should have got fired.
Speaker 1: He should have been fired for what he said about
Speaker 1: Sheryl Burton. He should have been terminated. I remember, I
Speaker 1: just saw that he should have been terminated. But I
Speaker 1: don't want to get off topic. So come back to cause,
Speaker 1: you know you would take us over the river. On back,
Speaker 1: Come on back, players, come on back. But but what
Speaker 1: I don't like to do is but what I don't
Speaker 1: want to do is just throw it out there without
Speaker 1: giving you some kind of context. I do believe that
Speaker 1: all of these situations require people with a microphone with
Speaker 1: the platform to understand in the least show compassion to
Speaker 1: those who are saying, hey, we feel a little bit
Speaker 1: this way, and then to just flat out dismiss them
Speaker 1: and say, well, you don't have a right to feel
Speaker 1: that way because that's not what it was. You're like, whoa,
Speaker 1: here's my here's my take on sharing Oswood and I
Speaker 1: like your Eysborne. You can't have no comment too much
Speaker 1: of opinion of getting people fired. You were married to
Speaker 1: a man and still is married to a man who
Speaker 1: bites the head off lave bats and then you kiss
Speaker 1: him in the mouth. He go down and give you
Speaker 1: head but he got bad blood in his mouth. Girl,
Speaker 1: if you don't sit your heads down and go back
Speaker 1: to UK with that, but well, flame, I think I
Speaker 1: think that's organic. Though that's terrible, that's nasty, that's nasty.
Speaker 1: And then you want to attack sherl Underwood. And y'all
Speaker 1: know me and Sherl Underwood have one under the bridge,
Speaker 1: but it is now water under the bridge. I thought
Speaker 1: that Sheryl still her round and say what she had
Speaker 1: to say, and Cheryl was so diplomatic with it. Sheryl
Speaker 1: her temperament remained calm. Sheryl stayed in her lane. She
Speaker 1: never overspoke, she never disrespected sharing, and Sharon was combative.
Speaker 1: Sharon was combative because she knew she was cornered. When
Speaker 1: you corner an animal, they back to the wall. They
Speaker 1: had a new two options, swing or die. Baby. She
Speaker 1: started swinging. They need to take me, baby. I don't
Speaker 1: even think corners so much as I'm asking you too.
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to understand where I'm coming from. No,
Speaker 1: you'll tell me where he was. You'll tell me right
Speaker 1: now where I was. Like, whoa, what just happened? If
Speaker 1: you need a replacement for Sharon Osin, would you like
Speaker 1: I got red hair already? What you need? What you need.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I can feel the info. I can
Speaker 1: sit right in the middle seat, Baby, I fit in
Speaker 1: the middle. Yeah. I know that they're the talk is
Speaker 1: under review, so I'm curious to see what happens. But
Speaker 1: like I said, Sharon was a d percent wrong. And
Speaker 1: to your point, Nick, you know she got Holly Robinson
Speaker 1: Pete fired specifically because she was and I quote to ghetto.
Speaker 1: That is a exactly what Holly Robinson Pete said that
Speaker 1: that was the reason why she was fired. Issue Molly
Speaker 1: issue with the Sharon Osworth situation. I mentioned Mark j
Speaker 1: and Greco, and I also mentioned Chris Harrison from The Bachelor.
Speaker 1: I do believe that we should we should counsel people
Speaker 1: before we cancel them. Like, I'm really uncomfortable with the
Speaker 1: way people are just not you're like all of a
Speaker 1: sudden bam. Like I think that when you have a
Speaker 1: imagine what can be learned. Since The Talk is a
Speaker 1: platform that clearly has a demographic where they try to
Speaker 1: reach people in Middle America, Uh, primarily right, if you
Speaker 1: just imagine how many people can say wow. I never
Speaker 1: thought about that, because I do believe it's possible. There
Speaker 1: are some who never thought about, you know, asking if
Speaker 1: the baby is gonna be too dark? It's a little
Speaker 1: bit racist, y'all. Really, I never thought about that, Nick, Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you why and just maybe have that conversation.
Speaker 1: Because for me, and this is me, I have definitely
Speaker 1: lived and I have family members who are a different
Speaker 1: skin tone, and some of them have been valued throughout
Speaker 1: life in a higher regard than I have because their
Speaker 1: light and light is often seen as prettier. Light is
Speaker 1: often seen as more attractive. So it's not it wasn't
Speaker 1: left field for me to have them say there were
Speaker 1: family members and that family concerned about the baby skin color.
Speaker 1: That's my experience, not putting that on any of you all,
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you I've lived in the situations
Speaker 1: where light skin was revered, so it's not ridiculous for
Speaker 1: me to believe that there were those concerned about the
Speaker 1: color of that baby skin and that he had not
Speaker 1: even thought about the fact that, Wow, people think about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you think about that. Nope, Nope, nope, Um yeah that
Speaker 1: was for Harry. I'm I'm telling Sheryl Sherry was right
Speaker 1: on this one. I've seen she're wrong on some other ship,
Speaker 1: but she was right on this one, and she was
Speaker 1: right to stand her ground. And CBS, I hope you'll
Speaker 1: pay attention to that and don't be going all left
Speaker 1: and right and sad ways. I don't want to lose
Speaker 1: her job. I don't. I don't think we should lose
Speaker 1: her job. I don't watch the talk, but when I
Speaker 1: if I do turn it on, I'm used to seeing
Speaker 1: her sitting there in the middle. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: agree with you and what you said that people should
Speaker 1: be culture, because now they want people should be counseled
Speaker 1: because now they want to cancel Andrew Cuomo. If we
Speaker 1: lose Andrew Cuomo from the Democratic Party, the Republicans gonna
Speaker 1: have one up on us. We didn't cancel the president
Speaker 1: after all the ship that he pulled for four years.
Speaker 1: Before we go to that, I want to backtracked on
Speaker 1: what Nick said because this and this is where I'm
Speaker 1: coming from. You feel like they should not cancel or
Speaker 1: what Well, we're not even get to Cuomo. Le' let's
Speaker 1: address what you just said first. I haven't. I have
Speaker 1: a question to ask you. When does the responsibility fall
Speaker 1: on the racist? Is my question? How how long do
Speaker 1: we have to continue to counsel people and educate people
Speaker 1: and give them an opportunity to learn and give them
Speaker 1: an opportunity to see a different perspective? How long do
Speaker 1: we have to keep doing that before the responsibility officially
Speaker 1: falls on the other party that's committing the act? Because
Speaker 1: I think that's yeah. I think I think that we
Speaker 1: have to agree on what's racist though, right, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where the nuance is. I think that if
Speaker 1: you counsel someone like a Sharon because I don't think
Speaker 1: she's standing there burning across in her front yard. I
Speaker 1: just don't believe that, and I believe there's space to
Speaker 1: teach and educate some people. I'm not ready to throw
Speaker 1: the baby out with the bath water, and I feel
Speaker 1: like some people really can be an an advocate and
Speaker 1: an ally. She clearly said what she said, and still
Speaker 1: to that she kept She's still right there with that.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, because my thing is she listened
Speaker 1: to Pierce Morrigan talk mad trash about Megan Marco, and
Speaker 1: we all know part of it is Megan Marco rejected
Speaker 1: Pierce Morgan and that's part of the So that's really
Speaker 1: the crux of the root of the issue. But he
Speaker 1: went on national television time and time again, made racist comments,
Speaker 1: made sexist comments towards her, and just kept berating and
Speaker 1: bashing her. And she never said anything. She never addressed
Speaker 1: him and never acknowed him. And on the heels of
Speaker 1: an interview that you do with Oprah where you're talking
Speaker 1: about the racism that you experience within the institution, Pierce
Speaker 1: is choosing to make comments and still make subliminal racists,
Speaker 1: you know, make it seem like it's not an issue.
Speaker 1: And then you have Sharon Osborne she has eyes and
Speaker 1: ears like the rest of us, and has the same
Speaker 1: listening skills that everybody does, and probably even better because
Speaker 1: she's on a talk show, she holds interviews. She has
Speaker 1: to be able to dissect hertain information in an appropriate way.
Speaker 1: For us to sit up here and say, oh, Sharon
Speaker 1: didn't know she was being racist, I'm so sorry. I know,
Speaker 1: absolutely not. And I don't have time to counsel Sharon
Speaker 1: Osborne about why what she did was wrong. No, and again,
Speaker 1: I'm not here to defend Sharon either, but I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like a woman who works with the
Speaker 1: diverse cast has hope, and that's just I just feel
Speaker 1: like Sharon is not lost when I look at her,
Speaker 1: and we will talk about him later, but when we
Speaker 1: talk when we talk about the congressman out of Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: to me, those are very different things, and I feel
Speaker 1: like Sharon is someone who still can be an ally.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I just feel like that she
Speaker 1: shouldn't be fired and that there's room to be counseled.
Speaker 1: I don't think she should be fired, but I'm going
Speaker 1: to Lauren on that. How at how long do we
Speaker 1: have to take it? It's been for a hundred plus
Speaker 1: years that we've been excusing. It's an excuse. Oh, it's
Speaker 1: just the way things are. It's just the way the
Speaker 1: things go. It's just Brianna Taylor been then, a year yesterday.
Speaker 1: It's just the way the things go. Because ain't nobody
Speaker 1: been charged for her? Nobody has been brought to put
Speaker 1: He would put their fee to the fire for what
Speaker 1: they did to Brianna Taylor, kicking her doe in and
Speaker 1: killing that woman in her own goddamn be it? So
Speaker 1: how long do we have to say, Oh, it's a pass.
Speaker 1: You don't get no fucking past. We don't get done
Speaker 1: what I see Tell her to call me. And I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if you want to in any realm or space,
Speaker 1: if you want to be an advocate about something, what's
Speaker 1: the first thing that you do. If you want to
Speaker 1: be an advocate? You do your own research. Right, You
Speaker 1: don't technically necessarily lean on people to become an advocate.
Speaker 1: You do your research, You have you initiate certain conversations
Speaker 1: with people, you engage with certain people. You get your
Speaker 1: own literature to read for better understand ending. You don't
Speaker 1: put the onus and responsibility on somebody else. To help
Speaker 1: you become advocate. That's not how advocate. And then how
Speaker 1: you gonna be petty Pierce Morgan and be mad because
Speaker 1: you couldn't get none of that black girl magic. Apparently
Speaker 1: Megan Marco must got the watch because she made a
Speaker 1: prince become a commoner. Baby, it's something between her legs. Baby,
Speaker 1: y'all know nothing about See Pierce Morgan was trying to
Speaker 1: get him with the taste of that because he would
Speaker 1: have been because look at Harry here, he got so
Speaker 1: much swag. Megan Marco, Girl, I'm taking a class when
Speaker 1: you went outside I signed up at. But but also
Speaker 1: to speaking on cancer culture, I feel like we can
Speaker 1: kind of segue. You brought up Andrew Cuomo flame, so
Speaker 1: a lot his evolved since last week when we talked
Speaker 1: about it. So what are your new thoughts around? Don't
Speaker 1: we not canceling Andrew Cuomo? Not on laugh and learn.
Speaker 1: I don't care what y'all doing in New York. Understand
Speaker 1: that there is a method to that madness. And when
Speaker 1: I say that, if y'all replace Andrew Cuomo as the
Speaker 1: governor of New York, they're gonna put somebody in there
Speaker 1: that's gonna try to stop Latitia James or block Lutitia
Speaker 1: James from prosecuting Donald Trump. See, there is a whole
Speaker 1: three sixty two. This Latitia James is the prosecutors that
Speaker 1: that's out to get Downald Trump from the state of
Speaker 1: New York. But replacing Cuomo, they will put somebody else
Speaker 1: there who might block her from doing that. So all
Speaker 1: the ship that Trump has done, he'll get away with.
Speaker 1: Understand that there's a method to the madness. Cuomo been
Speaker 1: the governor for all this time. Ain't nobody came out
Speaker 1: and said nothing. But because he's took his stance against
Speaker 1: the coronavirus, how he stood up for New York and
Speaker 1: he said maybe people had to wear masks and lock
Speaker 1: down the city and wooba woo and stop people from traveling.
Speaker 1: They're still out to get Quomo. That this is backlash
Speaker 1: from him being a man and standing his ground for
Speaker 1: being government last March fifteen last year. All this is
Speaker 1: just payback. Baby. I'm still team Cuomo. If you felt
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in the space, and I understand women, you know,
Speaker 1: if you if I'm in your personal space, if I'm
Speaker 1: touching you inappropriately, addressed that situation right then and there
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with you being this far up on me.
Speaker 1: I'm not comfortable with you touching me because we can
Speaker 1: do that now. You might not have been able to
Speaker 1: do that ten years ago, but women can do that
Speaker 1: now and they won't lose their job. They won't be
Speaker 1: they don't have to complain. So I'm not comfortable with
Speaker 1: you being in my space. This is my personal space,
Speaker 1: and I'm not comfortable. You can say that in a
Speaker 1: way to where your employer or your boss supposed to understand.
Speaker 1: I ain't said they're gonna always understand, but they're supposed
Speaker 1: to understand. But now all this ship is coming out.
Speaker 1: All this is a smoke screen, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: like they opened up this country Friday and gave out
Speaker 1: stimulus checks and told people, y'all can go take your
Speaker 1: mask off ghost shop. I drove past them all here Friday.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was Christmas. Understand that we're still
Speaker 1: living in a pandemic. The fact the coronavirus is running
Speaker 1: rampant Florida. It's gonna be right here along beach. Because
Speaker 1: they was at the mall shopping crazy. I drove past,
Speaker 1: I went to Big Lives. It was nobody in big um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand all of these news accusers are
Speaker 1: coming forward and everything and never denying anybody's experience of
Speaker 1: what you know they may have encountered. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is I want this investigation to play out. I want
Speaker 1: Latisia James to do her job. I don't think that
Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo should resign until the investigation is complete. I
Speaker 1: will absolutely say that. I know everybody from aoc UM too.
Speaker 1: I think Chuck Schumer, all of the top you know
Speaker 1: Democrats are kind of coming out to say he needs
Speaker 1: to resign. I think that Latisha James do her job,
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens, and then we can move forward
Speaker 1: from there. Those are my thoughts. Yeah, I think, UM,
Speaker 1: Just to kind of chime in on there, I think, UM,
Speaker 1: what I never want to do as a six three
Speaker 1: bald black man, I've never been in a situation where
Speaker 1: I have had my personal space threatened um by an
Speaker 1: employer where I had to feel uncomfortable. So I never
Speaker 1: want to sit here and act like I understand what
Speaker 1: women in the workplace go through, because I do believe
Speaker 1: that women in the workplace deserve to have a safe
Speaker 1: space to work and engage period, and if for any
Speaker 1: reason that is threatened or compromised, those who threatened or
Speaker 1: compromise that position need to be held accountable, regardless of
Speaker 1: political power, regardless of wealth, regardless of esteem, or regardless
Speaker 1: of title. Having said that, I also believe two different
Speaker 1: things are happening here. I think the Governor Cuomo unfortunately
Speaker 1: has lost the uh support he needs within his own
Speaker 1: caucus and from other Democrats. So as a leader, one
Speaker 1: has to wonder now if for the last eighteen months
Speaker 1: of this term it feels simply be a lame duck,
Speaker 1: not really able to push and move forward any legislation.
Speaker 1: And whether or not the investigation plays out one way
Speaker 1: or the other, that would be more or less for
Speaker 1: any type of legal action down the road. That's not
Speaker 1: my concern as much as what it is he's doing
Speaker 1: right now, whether or not he has to support from
Speaker 1: others within his legislature in order for him to continue
Speaker 1: to enact policy to you know, help advocate for the
Speaker 1: state of New York. I'm with Cuomo. Cuomo said that
Speaker 1: the politicians didn't elect me, the people did. This is
Speaker 1: the same ship they do into Joe Biden. Joe Biden
Speaker 1: been in office fifty three days, sound something sixty days
Speaker 1: if he if he tied his shoes a different way.
Speaker 1: Y'all ready to have a hissy fit. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: we got to pick and choose what's important. Y'all. Not
Speaker 1: picking it choosing what's important, you'll fight out a bullshit.
Speaker 1: I don't even know who these women are, and I
Speaker 1: don't care, and I want to see what they look like,
Speaker 1: cause Andrew Como is not an unattractive man. See it's
Speaker 1: all these ugly but let me start right here. Let
Speaker 1: me go back. A lot of these ugly bitches keep
Speaker 1: coming out of times of me and you attracted their
Speaker 1: men touch them. You should feels some of your ugly
Speaker 1: bit You should feel privileges that have made it touch
Speaker 1: it on you because ain nobody else, not in a
Speaker 1: light ship. You'll be kicking in here. Okay this laughing there, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: If we're trying to bring agains the folks, we don't
Speaker 1: bring you back. Look at look at this. You'll have me.
Speaker 1: He did. That's aw you in the comments. I was like,
Speaker 1: you got a shirt on. You really must be mad.
Speaker 1: Come on with come on, okay, let's start. I need
Speaker 1: a whole twenty minutes. This is you ain't getting that
Speaker 1: I can do it in fast listen, Kirk Franklin. Here's
Speaker 1: the problem with Kirk Franklin, and here's the hypocrisy, and
Speaker 1: from somebody who was again, as I've talked about before,
Speaker 1: I was the leadership out of Mega Church. I've crossed
Speaker 1: paths with Kirk Franklin. I've crossed paths with the Tony Max,
Speaker 1: the Joe old Steins. Now not that way. I know
Speaker 1: what you're about, you know, however, Kirk Franklin, let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, and I'm not saying anything more than this. Uh,
Speaker 1: you don't like yourself, which is why you're so mad
Speaker 1: at life. That's that's the first part. Second of all,
Speaker 1: when a normal person in the church can't even listen
Speaker 1: to secular music without having some sort of percussion in
Speaker 1: the form of you're not allowed to volunteer in this
Speaker 1: certain ministry. We're gonna put you on a sabbatical for
Speaker 1: this amount of time for listening to secular music. Or
Speaker 1: if you say a customerd and someone overhears you, he
Speaker 1: goes to the the is the same thing with what
Speaker 1: happened in New York with the Hill song in New
Speaker 1: York City pastor Carl Linson and Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber,
Speaker 1: he was making music about how yummy a women's gen
Speaker 1: Tell You was, but was leading worship at Carl Lyns's church.
Speaker 1: So it's the same thing. If you have a platform
Speaker 1: and if you're somebody big, it doesn't apply to you,
Speaker 1: apply to the normal person. So that's why he's getting
Speaker 1: so much backlash in my opinion, because it's not okay
Speaker 1: to do that behind closed doors, but then you would
Speaker 1: persecute somebody else who did that same thing. So that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of people are upset. And Kirk Franklin
Speaker 1: has a history of being an ass. He doesn't treat
Speaker 1: his wife well. I'm not gonna go further, but the
Speaker 1: point is he deserves it. And I see why his
Speaker 1: son did this. I see, well, apparently the son had
Speaker 1: been used to be and talked to like that, because
Speaker 1: who thinks to record the conversation. I'm telling you, this
Speaker 1: boy was accustomed to that. He just nobody probably believed
Speaker 1: him and he needed to prove it. So now he
Speaker 1: has proof. Yeah, I mean, that's fine. I just don't
Speaker 1: think he should have aired it for the world to hear.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you want proof and you want to
Speaker 1: maybe take legal action or whatever, whatever, I don't think
Speaker 1: you should air I don't care what happens. You don't
Speaker 1: air your family business out like that, even if you're upset,
Speaker 1: you just you just don't do that. And that was
Speaker 1: the land that we grew up on. Don't talk about
Speaker 1: my house, don't tell what going on in our house.
Speaker 1: But with reality TV and the world that we live
Speaker 1: in now everything body knows everything. But I'm not let
Speaker 1: me be clear that, let me clarify. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: be quiet about all family issues, because if there's some
Speaker 1: other things going on, abuse, sexual abuse, I'm not for
Speaker 1: keeping that private. If you need to bring that to
Speaker 1: the forefront to get the situation worked out. That's one thing.
Speaker 1: This is specific. I'm being very specific in this case
Speaker 1: saying that I don't agree with his son airing out
Speaker 1: whatever their conversation is for the public. I don't think
Speaker 1: he should have done that, no matter that perspect Maybe
Speaker 1: I see that, but I appreciate that he did. Be
Speaker 1: Kirk Franklin does have this ego and it's and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm really disappointed. And Natasha Cobbs coming out and supporting
Speaker 1: him and all of these people because it's it's the
Speaker 1: reason his son came out with this is to let
Speaker 1: people know what really goes on not only in their
Speaker 1: house and with their relationship. But in my opinion, the
Speaker 1: same thing with Joe Olstin. I'm waiting for stuff without
Speaker 1: Joe osen to come out, and when it comes out,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to feel that a little I need
Speaker 1: a little taste, don't you see in the movie don't
Speaker 1: give my mouth all right, you leave me a little swallowing,
Speaker 1: don't make a swallow Listen. I'm not about to have
Speaker 1: people out in reality know who's watching the past that
Speaker 1: I have one more thing to say about uh, Cheryl Underwood. Wait,
Speaker 1: I'll get to Clomo to say, I'll give this a
Speaker 1: very second Clombo response. But I feel bad for I
Speaker 1: don't feel bad for her Underwood because I think, like
Speaker 1: you said, she did great. But here's where Sharon Osborne
Speaker 1: fuck up when she put on those tears because automatically,
Speaker 1: automatically goes into the narrative of the angry black woman
Speaker 1: making a white woman cry, and America's gonna give sympathy
Speaker 1: to that white woman. And my problem is is that
Speaker 1: Cheryl was gracious and saying, I know you. I don't
Speaker 1: get this. I don't get these feelings from you, but
Speaker 1: understand the implication behind the approval, so to say, of
Speaker 1: Piers Morgan. And so when she put on those tears
Speaker 1: and made it about her, when have white people been
Speaker 1: oppressed or been done wrong in this country ever? So,
Speaker 1: how you have the audacity and the uh, the reason
Speaker 1: to cry is just beyond me. White people was a
Speaker 1: pressed and done wrong on January to six in the
Speaker 1: State of Georgia. Baby lives matter because we took it back. Baby, Seriously,
Speaker 1: how did you cry and turn out around? You're saying
Speaker 1: that As much as I think that Sharon was wrong,
Speaker 1: Sharon was right when she told Cherry, don't find that
Speaker 1: cram because Sherrol always does that. You got to go
Speaker 1: back and watch whenever Shul's back into the wall, Sheryl
Speaker 1: breaks out crying. She did that, shipped to me on
Speaker 1: coming of You two thousand five. So Sharon just beat
Speaker 1: up to the punch inside of craym first, because if
Speaker 1: Sherry would have started cram first, then black Americans would
Speaker 1: have took Sheryl sad. So it was just a matter
Speaker 1: who was gonna break down for Crow on demand. Place
Speaker 1: the water out of the bridge. I'm not and I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a shirl. The way I'm saying to Mark's
Speaker 1: point is that's just what Sheryl does. Watch the talk.
Speaker 1: Cheryl will break out cram for no reason. She will
Speaker 1: every time it's something shut shut, Sharon lose her job
Speaker 1: or do you believe there's room for redemption. I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone should lose their job over I again, I'm
Speaker 1: so against the whole camel. However, here's what I got
Speaker 1: voted out exactly exactly. Um, here's my thing with Sharon.
Speaker 1: I don't think she should lose her job, but here's
Speaker 1: what I also see. She works on a cast full
Speaker 1: of diverse people, and we don't know what goes on
Speaker 1: off camera, and so if who knows, this could be
Speaker 1: a feeling that people do have about her, Even though
Speaker 1: Cheryl went on record saying, you know, I don't have
Speaker 1: these feelings that you're racist, but I do think there
Speaker 1: is a time and a place for a company production
Speaker 1: to to take a step back and say, can we
Speaker 1: move forward doing what we want to do and our
Speaker 1: vision for the show with this person? Given this resspon
Speaker 1: and given what's going on right now, and so if
Speaker 1: that means she loses her job, then you know what
Speaker 1: when you are on a talk show and you don't
Speaker 1: think twice about what you're seeing. And again, this is
Speaker 1: not You're not the victims here, someone's giving their story.
Speaker 1: Megan said she felt that the Palace or whoever those
Speaker 1: people are, they're racist. Why are you discrediting that that
Speaker 1: wasn't your experience? She shut Megan. They give him none
Speaker 1: of that black girl magic. But let me ask you this, though, Mark,
Speaker 1: because although Cheryl came out and said that, I'm also
Speaker 1: thinking too, was there truth behind what she was saying
Speaker 1: about Sharon or was she just more so concerned about
Speaker 1: giving her an out and maybe helping her save her job.
Speaker 1: And I'm only saying that because of what Holly Robinson
Speaker 1: Pete said. So how how truthful was that statement is
Speaker 1: my next question? Yeah, I think that I think Cheryl again,
Speaker 1: and here's why I went back to bringing up the
Speaker 1: tears part. I think Cheryl was in a tricky position
Speaker 1: and why she did so good and she couldn't really
Speaker 1: go even deeper as a lot of us wanted her to,
Speaker 1: is because the narrative would have played out even worse
Speaker 1: than it already is. And so I do think Cheryl,
Speaker 1: in the back of her mind was like, let me
Speaker 1: give a little bit of grace and safe face for TV,
Speaker 1: and that's why she did that. But I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if Sharon, I mean didn't. Wasn't her daughter, the
Speaker 1: one who, like I was talking about Trump a few
Speaker 1: years ago and was talking about Mexicans are the one
Speaker 1: who cleaned your house? Like just made a fucking stupid Yeah,
Speaker 1: the little fat one like she is, she is funny.
Speaker 1: Look help you mean? I think that's the difference. You
Speaker 1: can't defend people. This is what I think. This is
Speaker 1: where the line is between like what Kelly Osborne, I
Speaker 1: think that's her name. She said. I considered that. I
Speaker 1: considered that racially and sensitive. I don't think that was
Speaker 1: a racist comment, but it was racially insensitive. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if behind closed doors, like that's how
Speaker 1: they talk about different people of different cultures that understand
Speaker 1: mark that it's not racially insensitive. They're racists if they're
Speaker 1: doing it at home, behind closed doors, and then you
Speaker 1: take it out publicly eventually, if you do it at
Speaker 1: home long enough, it is going to go into your
Speaker 1: real life under this is what happened with the whole
Speaker 1: back to the Kirk Franklin thing. If it happens at
Speaker 1: home enough, eventually the world is going to find out
Speaker 1: about it. Kelly, Uh, the Osborne's whatever they're practicing at home,
Speaker 1: the ship is just resonating. Sharon Osborne was foul, She
Speaker 1: was wrong. She tried to say where she did corner Shure.
Speaker 1: I did love that part when she told, sure, don't
Speaker 1: sign that crying because I got to be the first
Speaker 1: one of crap it so they can fall in love
Speaker 1: with me first I get there. I understand you. This
Speaker 1: is a game of chess, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: lose my job. That's what that was all about, because
Speaker 1: Sherlwood they were to have fired sherl Sherlotte is a
Speaker 1: black woman on that show, and she wasn't the last
Speaker 1: high And even though I think that show is irreplaceable
Speaker 1: on the Talk because I love her on there, whenever
Speaker 1: I do decide to watch it, that don't mean that
Speaker 1: they won't get rid of her ass. Because the climate
Speaker 1: that we live in and the racism that is so
Speaker 1: prevalent in this country right now on the Trump's regime,
Speaker 1: even though that nigga is still gone, but he still
Speaker 1: got a power. They were to fire Sheerl. Sharyl was
Speaker 1: smart and the way she handed that she was very tactic.
Speaker 1: Sharon Osborne, Sharon Osborne was just racist and she didn't
Speaker 1: want to admit that. Pierce Pierce Morgan, not only was
Speaker 1: he did he make racist, disparaging comments, but he he
Speaker 1: showed that he was a broken man because if you
Speaker 1: don't even like black women, you couldn't get this black
Speaker 1: woman to go with you. And you, Pierce Morgan, you rich,
Speaker 1: you wipe, you powerful, you gotta show. But she didn't
Speaker 1: want your ass, except that she didn't want your ass, nigga,
Speaker 1: and keep it pushing, because that's all that is. She
Speaker 1: didn't want you. She wanted a prince here. And and
Speaker 1: Cheryl said it just exactly right. She said, it's the implicate.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily that you're seeing something racist, it's what
Speaker 1: you're implying. And the same thing with you know what
Speaker 1: I started on Pierce Morgan's ass last week was he said,
Speaker 1: you know, people might have this conversation about what color
Speaker 1: their baby might look like. People do say that, like,
Speaker 1: that's you, that's you literally giving a dog whistle to somebody,
Speaker 1: like making them feel like it's okay that this is happening.
Speaker 1: Like no one says that, like I can never imagine
Speaker 1: a family having that. Well wait a minute, mark, because
Speaker 1: if me and you had a baby together and the
Speaker 1: baby came out navy, purple, blue, black, I'm gonna think
Speaker 1: that you was cheating on me because I'm like brown
Speaker 1: and you like skiing. Baby should be at least somewhere.
Speaker 1: But that's that's that's after the fact. That's after the fact,
Speaker 1: not before. And then again like with the whole title situation,
Speaker 1: which I don't know how the monarchy whatever you call
Speaker 1: them work, but period. And I'm just gonna wrap up
Speaker 1: with this thirty seconds about Andrew Cuomo. Andrew Cuomo has
Speaker 1: a long history of this behavior, and it's I know
Speaker 1: someone personally who's been impacted by it, and I it's
Speaker 1: not my place to say anything, but I think the
Speaker 1: problem you keep giving out too many tangibles and then
Speaker 1: not giving out the information. I'm gonna come to your
Speaker 1: house and fight you when you come over. When you
Speaker 1: come over, you get every everything you get the tea.
Speaker 1: But my thing with Cuomo is would get it all baby.
Speaker 1: I liked it, I said thirty seconds. Listen, Cuomo messed
Speaker 1: up when he ousted the previous eternal attorney general because
Speaker 1: when allegation came out one by the way, he said
Speaker 1: that he needed to resign and step down. And so
Speaker 1: that is clarma binding him in the ass. Because now
Speaker 1: you have seven people, one person with a very incredible story.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are pointing to um, there's a
Speaker 1: supposedly footage, and people who were there and aware of
Speaker 1: what was going on, we're taking videos and pictures. Cuomo
Speaker 1: now is foot is in his mouth because this is
Speaker 1: what you said before and this is not what you're
Speaker 1: saying about yourself. And so with Cuomo, you know again
Speaker 1: I don't like politicians. And the fact that he made
Speaker 1: the comment. You know, I'm not part of the political
Speaker 1: game or I'm not in the political circle. You've been
Speaker 1: in politics your entire life. You've handed the position from
Speaker 1: your given your father's record. Let me just say that.
Speaker 1: So don't act like you're not a dirty swamp creature,
Speaker 1: because you are. Chris Pam won't come to your house
Speaker 1: and let me let's listen, de legitimize people still got elected.
Speaker 1: Come on, Mark, we can't de legitimize that he did.
Speaker 1: The people did still elect him. They still elected him.
Speaker 1: And I mean, but it is a legacy thing. I
Speaker 1: will give you that. You know, Okay, his father was
Speaker 1: a beloved governor before him, but the people still elected
Speaker 1: Cuomo too. We gotta give him that. I just think
Speaker 1: that again it's karma binding him in the ask And
Speaker 1: my problem is really when you listen to him talk
Speaker 1: about it, and when the press tries to ask him questions,
Speaker 1: it's his ego that's at the at the front line.
Speaker 1: Were just there were four years of a nightmare. But
Speaker 1: I attacked him, but I attacked to him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get I don't outside listen. I don't. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have side. You know this about me? I don't.
Speaker 1: I can call out the clown, but again I also
Speaker 1: will call out Cuomo. And this is the thing. The
Speaker 1: fear cannot be of who might take his position. It's
Speaker 1: the fact that we need to and I'm always say this.
Speaker 1: I said the same thing with Kavanaugh. Yes, the process
Speaker 1: needs to play out. But the tricky part for Cuomo
Speaker 1: right now is what he said on record before. So
Speaker 1: that's all I'm gonna say. But wait a minute, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna hold people accountable for ship they see it
Speaker 1: in the past. Oh my god, I want to even
Speaker 1: be sitting here right now. In fact, I'm even in
Speaker 1: two minutes anyway, but I wouldn't be saying here. But
Speaker 1: if I saying some outrageous shit, that should I regret
Speaker 1: some though. But I'm not a politician, but I am
Speaker 1: in the public eye, and I'm not knocking Cuomo for
Speaker 1: what he said because at the time that's how he felt.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that what is true or not you
Speaker 1: because I'm not one of those women that accused him
Speaker 1: and I wasn't there. But I'm giving Cuomo the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt because what I'm what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get people to understand that to see is that if
Speaker 1: we do this to Cuomo, we're gonna do this to
Speaker 1: Joe Line. Joe By have been the president for sixty days.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna through just counsel everybody make a
Speaker 1: fucking mistake. Well no, because look with Joe Biden, what
Speaker 1: had happened when they when that who was that that
Speaker 1: that lady who came out yes, I said, Listen, I
Speaker 1: don't like this. He's been in politics for how long,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you're coming out. And I
Speaker 1: got in trouble for that because I'm not a female.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it's like to come out with
Speaker 1: my story. So I get that aspect of it. But
Speaker 1: I said the same thing with Kavanaugh. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say the same thing with Colombo. Yes do process
Speaker 1: is important because you don't want to set a culture
Speaker 1: where someone could come out and say something and you're
Speaker 1: automatically guilty. That's not what our system was set up for. However,
Speaker 1: when you say two years ago that this person needs
Speaker 1: to resign and he was so in the front line
Speaker 1: about all these other people and now ships and your
Speaker 1: happening in your backyard, and you have a different opinion,
Speaker 1: that's the problem that you know what that's going to do, though, Mark,
Speaker 1: That's going to open up the floodgates for everybody to
Speaker 1: start just to you want to get rid of somebody
Speaker 1: just have a woman accused him of being inappropriate. Where
Speaker 1: where do we stop it? Where do we draw the line?
Speaker 1: Because some people may be telling the truth and some
Speaker 1: people may just make up a lie to get rid
Speaker 1: of you. We have to find out like they say,
Speaker 1: you're innocent and too a proven guilty. But that's not
Speaker 1: the case here. Everybody is guilty now until proven innocent.
Speaker 1: Well that's why we say, let Laticia James do her job.
Speaker 1: Unlet's see what happens. Let's just let's let this play out.
Speaker 1: Let it play out, unless see what receives come forward,
Speaker 1: what the investigation says. And I'm very comfortable with the
Speaker 1: fact that Latisia James and the special uh investigator or prosecutor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that person has a pass of taking down formal allies.
Speaker 1: So I do think we will get a fair investigation
Speaker 1: into what happened. Well, we thank you you hands. I
Speaker 1: will see you in two weeks, right, oh yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you Mark. I want you with a T shirt
Speaker 1: and no panties zone. Yeah, lord, Mark, do me a favor.
Speaker 1: And because I don't know how to get people out
Speaker 1: of here, thank you, thank you, thank you Mark. That's Florida.
Speaker 1: I think the title of this show will be Swamp Creature.
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you, Lorie Hogan. I gotta
Speaker 1: show to do. I gotta go. Yeah, black travel Black
Speaker 1: can I don't see y'all next week. We maybe we
Speaker 1: do love lounge snick because I got the similarst check
Speaker 1: you'll act of funny, but I gotta show to do
Speaker 1: uh with white folks with Mr white Man, Miss white
Speaker 1: Man said coming here, and Miss white Man paying a
Speaker 1: little bit more than y'all paying today, So I'm out.
Speaker 1: I love you Lauren? Hey, damn? How are you are
Speaker 1: you doing? I'm good? How are you, Laurie? Hi? Neck? Hey,
Speaker 1: good to see you. Good, see you too? So are
Speaker 1: you jumping that rope? Being all fancy? It ain't no joke.
Speaker 1: Don't play with it. Don't play with it. We're losing
Speaker 1: too many people. We talk to us about it. We
Speaker 1: brought up a couple of conversations and topics today. I
Speaker 1: want to know your thoughts sound off for us? Well, Uh,
Speaker 1: the Cuomo saying, let's look at it like this. Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: we're talking about it. I think a political hit is
Speaker 1: going on. Um, sure, Cuomo is part of a They're
Speaker 1: all part of political machines. I think that's what we
Speaker 1: don't read. Uh, we don't remember that they're are debts
Speaker 1: that have to be paid. People have to realize that, Uh,
Speaker 1: people did things before that they didn't like and people
Speaker 1: hold grudges, and you know, things are timed a certain way.
Speaker 1: So I think this is a First of all, I
Speaker 1: think this is a political hit. Second of all, let's
Speaker 1: just wait for the investigation to come out, because I
Speaker 1: heard this interesting thing you know about politicians. It's like, uh,
Speaker 1: innocent and a politician, are they? They don't go together? True, true,
Speaker 1: diametrically opposed to one another. Absolutely got you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So you know, that's just how it is. But it's
Speaker 1: very interesting about the timing of all these allegations that
Speaker 1: you know, he was the hero last year and now
Speaker 1: he's the dirt under people's seat. And you know, but
Speaker 1: you know one thing about Cuomo. He don't run from
Speaker 1: a fight. He don't play no games. It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: come get me. Let's see how this plays outam. I
Speaker 1: think what's also interesting is how we've seen so many
Speaker 1: people pile on. I watched this diet try from Bill
Speaker 1: de Blasio because if you remember, Cuomo went after Bill
Speaker 1: de Blasio when Bill de Blasio wasn't doing so well
Speaker 1: in New York. Not that he's super popular now, but
Speaker 1: Bill de Blasio, all his behavior absolutely disgusted me and
Speaker 1: he needs I was like, whoa, Let's let's just clarify
Speaker 1: that though I don't know if any mayor in the
Speaker 1: City of New York that is liked Okay, all mayors
Speaker 1: get booed in the City of New York. Let's just
Speaker 1: let's be honest about that. Okay. Eventually, Pam, I want
Speaker 1: to get you the sound out for me. I do
Speaker 1: want your opinion. Do you believe in a situation like
Speaker 1: a Sharon Osbourne, is there redemption or do you're like,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the Osbourne underwe situation? You
Speaker 1: know what to I want to emphasize everyone, let's when
Speaker 1: we see these things, let's look at the entire interview.
Speaker 1: Let's look at the entire show, not these chopped up
Speaker 1: bits and and um clips, because that's a part of
Speaker 1: the manipulation. Look at the whole entire thing, and then
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Okay. But anyway, from when I
Speaker 1: saw girl, honey, she she she she, she welpt like
Speaker 1: a hit dog got hit by truck. Immediately immediately, even
Speaker 1: with the preface of Cheryl saying, look, you're my friend,
Speaker 1: I know how you think, she still went off. You know,
Speaker 1: her friend. I know she's friends with Pierce Morgan. She's
Speaker 1: probably she's been friends with Pierce Morgan's for a hundred
Speaker 1: years before she even got on the view, I mean,
Speaker 1: on the talk. But she did not understand where they
Speaker 1: all heard her mates were coming from. And I think
Speaker 1: when she goes back and looks at it, and I
Speaker 1: think maybe that's why she apologized to I am gonna
Speaker 1: give her a benefit of the doubt on that, and
Speaker 1: she shouldn't, but she should look at her really look
Speaker 1: at her behavior, look at her response. Anallized it herself,
Speaker 1: look at herself. You know how you you and Lauren
Speaker 1: and then and you guys look at yourself on tape
Speaker 1: right to to see I know, Nick, probably you do
Speaker 1: when you had your other days, when you were in
Speaker 1: another line, you look at yourself to see what was
Speaker 1: going on with yourself, what you said, how you said,
Speaker 1: what's your response was? What can I do better? I
Speaker 1: think a lot of these people they need to look
Speaker 1: at themselves and how they're coming off, because when you're
Speaker 1: in the moment, you don't realize, hey, you know, and
Speaker 1: then you go back and look at it, like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, I went off. I did I said this.
Speaker 1: My reaction was a little maybe I need to check myself.
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to think about what I said, or
Speaker 1: how I did, or how I respond. And I think
Speaker 1: more than anything in those situations like that too. Um
Speaker 1: and then I'll go ahead and wrap it up. It's
Speaker 1: one of those things where I don't understand why people
Speaker 1: can at least try to hear what the person is
Speaker 1: saying and at least give of friends like you that's Lauren.
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, there you go, yep, yep,
Speaker 1: because I'm thinking that you're simply telling me. I think
Speaker 1: one of the things that bothered me most with all
Speaker 1: of that is how quickly people were ready to dismiss
Speaker 1: Let's forget about the baby color, the fact that here's
Speaker 1: this woman saying I was having a mental health issue.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you weren't. Shut up. Get out of here,
Speaker 1: get out here with that. This is why we don't
Speaker 1: talk about it. This is why people are ashamed to say.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm Lauren, I'm not feeling that wealthy. I'm
Speaker 1: a little down. Hey, let me just check on you.
Speaker 1: You're gonna attack me. You want to attack me for
Speaker 1: feeling my feelings instead of saying having a moment of
Speaker 1: empathy and thought, and then after the person tells you more,
Speaker 1: if you feel like you got to attack them or
Speaker 1: think left of very motion, then you do it, but
Speaker 1: ready to jump on it. It's like, you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me that I don't feel like I was being attacked.
Speaker 1: You don't want to tell me my feelings, Well, this
Speaker 1: is tell me my feeling. Well that's what I'm I think,
Speaker 1: that's what we're all trying to express. Your pam is
Speaker 1: a simple fact that Sharon probably never had to think
Speaker 1: about that. She never really had to think about her
Speaker 1: repercussions because when she had that privilege and she had
Speaker 1: that status on that network, she never had to think
Speaker 1: about it, nor did she feel like, oh, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get all this backlash around this. It took her coming
Speaker 1: after a minute. Megan Markle that all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: now she's trying to re evaluate everything. But that goes
Speaker 1: to what I said earlier in terms of it's not
Speaker 1: our job to have to educate people. You should have
Speaker 1: known that. That's what privilege gets you to get you
Speaker 1: in these situations where now you've got to address how
Speaker 1: you're actually acting and how you've been and what you've
Speaker 1: been doing towards other people. So it was just her time.
Speaker 1: It was her. And you know what, the ass always
Speaker 1: rises to the top, the cream, the cream I will
Speaker 1: eventually rise to the top. You gotta look at you
Speaker 1: can't act like the cream ain't there. Oh I don't
Speaker 1: see the cream. I don't see the ship. I eventually
Speaker 1: you've got to see it and you gotta smell it
Speaker 1: and acknowledge it and your owness and it. But exactly,
Speaker 1: But that's the problem, a big It's like no one
Speaker 1: if the first if your first reaction is to yelped
Speaker 1: like a dog, then you've got some examining to do
Speaker 1: for yourself. And there's nothing wrong with that. That's what
Speaker 1: we need to do. We need more than talking about
Speaker 1: We've got to examine our ship. On our ship. Everybody does,
Speaker 1: especially white people, than their stuff, period, all right, and
Speaker 1: everybody got on they stop, Pam, I love you by bye, y'all.
Speaker 1: Not note. I mean, I think we can kind of
Speaker 1: wrap up. I know we had some other topics to discuss,
Speaker 1: but I don't think there's any problem with rolling over
Speaker 1: to next week because they're still gonna be relevant next
Speaker 1: week anyway. So yeah, you know, one of them. Again,
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know that if you liked
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Speaker 1: that we miss, we do want you to comment on
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Speaker 1: you know, because that helps people to find the show.
Speaker 1: So we really enjoyed that because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, like we talked about all the time with
Speaker 1: Flame when she is here, we are not trying to
Speaker 1: get anybody to change their mind. We're simply only trying
Speaker 1: to get you guys to use your mind. And more importantly,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you guys coming in to participate in this
Speaker 1: show because without you guys, we wouldn't have a show.
Speaker 1: It's really the feedback that we get from you guys,
Speaker 1: you know, the suggestions, the d m s, all of that.
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. And I know sometimes we don't respond,
Speaker 1: but we we try to look at it because we
Speaker 1: all got a lot going on, but we appreciate the input. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely appreciate the input. So where can everybody find you? Nick?
Speaker 1: Everybody can find me at Nick Smith News on both
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