WEBVTT - QLS Classic: Jemele Hill Part 2 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.040 Court Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:08.639 Yo. 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:09.080 What's Up? 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.080 This is Fon Tibolo from Team Supreme. 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:14.320 We all celebrating Black History Month of QLs and releasing 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.680 new weekly interviews with some incredible guests from film and music. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.319 In the meantime, we've selected some special classic episodes as well, 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:24.279 which we run on Mondays. This classic two part of 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.120 Less is from September twenty twenty, and it is with 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.240 the incredible my homie, My friend, Jamel Hill. Jamel is 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.519 not only someone to call a friend, She's one of 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.560 the most important voices in sports where she always leaves 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.920 in art, politics, and social issues. 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:39.760 And we love her for it. 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:42.600 Please make sure you hurt part one before you check 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:45.760 this in your feed. In part two, Jamel talks about 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.040 some important basketball history. We have a deep dive discussion 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.599 remembering Detroit's hip hop mayor Kwame Kirkpatrick, and we get 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:55.560 Desert Island Top five Albums, which has a couple surprises. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:58.120 I know it surprised me. Y'all enjoyed this episode, man, 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:59.840 we did. Jamel is the homie. This is a lot 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.120 of one skill less peace. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:13.680 One Detroit story. 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:18.280 I've been dying to know that I haven't asked anyone 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:24.319 well versed in sports or from the area, is where 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:28.959 were you on November nineteen, two thousand and four. 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:31.759 Malice at the Palace. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.320 Malice at the Palace? Oh man, I knew you were 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:35.800 going here. I was like, it's gonna probably be about 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:36.639 malice for the Palace. 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:42.320 Yeah, there is no sports besides Jordan Highlight real. 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.600 Films on YouTube. 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.840 I watched that religiously, like I know every frame of 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:51.240 that brawl. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:55.000 Yeah, okay, so Malice at the Palace? What was this? 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.120 So Malice at the Palace was? It was a scrap 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:01.560 like you know, now call the NBA fight something you like? 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:05.520 These just too motherfucker's backpler Like, no, Malice at the 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.680 Palace is why you don't see scraps in the NBA anymore? 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.239 Have you seen I've never seen it. I didn't know 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:12.680 what it was. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:15.720 I don't know if they show it. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.720 It is by far the worst fight I've ever seen 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.120 an NBA history. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:21.480 It's magical. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.000 You'll have to text in the footage because it's like 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:24.800 completely magical. 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:28.320 It's it's going to be its own thirty for thirty episode. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:28.840 I feel it. 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:33.400 Well, I don't think it will the only reason something like, well, 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.880 something I learned at ESPN is that the NBA is 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:40.480 extremely strict about you. It's a reason you don't see 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:44.000 malice from the Palace footage like ever, like you see 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:44.959 it in the Pistons dock. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:47.680 I think you saw it, like the Bad Boys. I 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.000 feel like I think it might. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.560 Be in it might have been in there, but like 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:53.440 you don't really see it because the NBA does not 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.320 allow clearance of the footage of that. Because I remember 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.600 when I was, yeah, when I was at the when 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.280 I was at ESPN, it was a five year anniversary, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:03.960 and it was some things I wanted to do with 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:06.040 talking about the fight, and I couldn't do them because 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.280 the NBA would not give ESPN permission to do this. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:10.959 So they tried to like this did not happen. 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.320 Thomas like Pistons, Like no, no, this was this was 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.800 the Pistons era with Rip Hamilton and Ben Wallace, uh 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:25.800 Tayshaun Prince Rashe Wallace. Oh yeah, so what happened was 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.040 this It's like Indiana at this point, because I know 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.840 it's hard to look at the Pistons now because we're 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.800 so shitty, but yes, we actually used to be a 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.720 very good basketball team in the early two thousand when 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.680 Martin was sorry that I was like. 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:44.000 That year they were they won the championship in two 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:44.560 thousand and three. 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.000 Yeah, we won the championship at oh four. What happened 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.800 was is that Indiana and Detroit were rivals. You know, 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:53.920 the Pistons went to six straight Eastern Conference finals. Indiana 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:58.080 was the other team jockey and for the position and basically, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.200 you know, the the Pacers had kind of had a 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.600 very statement win. It was on national TV statement win 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.080 at the Palace, whipped the Pistons whole entire ass like 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:13.480 beat they ass and the last maybe minute of the game, 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.320 it might have been maybe like the last thirty seconds 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.920 run our tests decides he he is gonna not only 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:23.080 have a statement win, he like, we're gonna win the 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:27.599 game and the fight. So so he has been egging 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.560 on being Wallace this entire game. You know Bill Wallace 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.640 Rady Defensive Player of the year. He one of them 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:36.600 country strong brothers, Like this year is unbelievable. 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.040 So went to McNee state like he he. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:44.720 With the bullshit, right, So, so you know, he had 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.479 been needling them the whole game and being is like 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:49.160 got a quiet demeanor. He had enough, so he just 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.240 he shoved round our tests and run our test. Decides 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:55.440 to go over, you know, because that's what he does. 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:58.320 He agitates people run our tests. You know, they teend 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.760 up being you know, players getting the faces. But no, 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.760 Biggie Rodard Test goes over to the scores table and 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.479 decides to lay down, just lay down flat across the. 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:09.480 On the scores table, right. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.839 And so he's laying down on the scores table and 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.320 out of the stands comes a beer that hits him 0:05:15.560 --> 0:05:17.440 while he's on the scores. 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:18.640 Table and round our test. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.880 It took him about zero point five seconds before he 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.039 got up, charging to the stands and beat the ship 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:24.760 out the wrong fan. 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:25.680 He didn't beat the shit. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:28.440 Out of the dude, the right one that through the beer, 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:30.520 because he didn't get to him. 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:32.239 He got to this one dude. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.680 And then next thing, you know, the fans jump in, 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.600 they jumping him. Then the players from the pacers they 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:40.800 go into the stands and Stephen Jackson goes right up 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.400 into the Because Stephen Jackson was was Ron our Test's teammate. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.800 So y'all know how Stephen Jackson, Captain jack get down. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.040 He does not fuck around either like. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:51.760 It was a whole bunch of people from the not 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.839 fucking a Round crew on two teams and that's why. 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.400 So they in the stands fighting the stands. Meanwhile fans 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.360 decide to come on to the floor. And I'm sure 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.640 this is probably Quest's favorite part. This one thing came 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:05.520 up to the store and I swear to god, Jermaine 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.120 O'Neil almost ended his life. 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.520 He all about five for five. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.159 He gonna roll up on six eleven, Jermaine O'Neill, and 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.520 he got the two piece, the biscuit, the sides, and 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:16.800 a large orange. 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.920 He got old down. 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.000 To make sure he cleansed his palate. He got all 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:23.280 of that. 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:26.760 So you are just seeing pockets of ass whoopings happened 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:29.039 all around the arena. So when you go back and 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.279 watch the footage, you could literally watch a different ass 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:32.240 whooping every time. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.520 It's just unbelievable. 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:36.039 They removed it from YouTube, y'all. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.360 They might have because the NBA is again very protective 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:41.880 about this footage. So they showed this on the Jordan 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:49.200 the last day. So really what happened was that wine 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:55.640 that wound up honestly ruining uh, the the pacers domination 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:58.160 at the time, you know, because they handed out rod 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.800 our tests got the largest suspension, non drug suspension in 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:04.880 NBA history. You know, he was gone for the rest 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.279 of the season. Jermaine O'Neill. They gave him like sixty games. 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:08.800 He might as well have been gone for the season. 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:13.440 It completely tore apart their entire team. So, yeah, to 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.280 answer you a question about where I was, I actually 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:17.559 I was a sports reporter then, but I was covering 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:19.480 college football and basketball. 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.640 I was in Happy Valley. I was at Penn State 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:24.840 because I State. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:26.679 Yeah, I was at pan State and we were watching 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.760 at the bar, and I'm sitting there watching like, what 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:34.040 the hell just happened? And not surprisingly, people use this 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.240 as an opportunity to take a lot of shots at 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.280 Detroit because clearly we have a reputation for being a 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.920 violent city, much like a lot of major urban cities. 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.640 But what I had to constantly remind people and what 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.600 they didn't say, the Palace of Auburn Hills, what this 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:51.080 happened is a good hour from Detroit. It's in the 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:55.320 richest county in Michigan. Black folks were not going to 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:57.920 like all the people you see getting they ass whooped. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:07:59.480 The only person who got. 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.920 They asswhipped that was black iness was Fred Jones who 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:06.040 was on the Indiana Pacers. His brother got his ass 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:09.000 beat down by Bill Wallace's brother, Black on black crime 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:11.560 at his finest, like, that's not only black people. You 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.840 just see no black people running up on Ron our Tests. 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.480 You did see the black people. Didn't know black people 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.240 throw shit. We ain't douce shit. That was not our shit, Okay. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.560 That was some white folks acting a food okay, and 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:27.440 they were about to get exactly now, I will say this, 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.400 I am thankful it did happen at the Palace, which 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.400 again is in a very zat suburban because if that 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:34.640 had happened at the city. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:35.959 It would have been people waiting outside. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.520 This you got to understand how we do it in 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:45.760 the d Now, that ship might have been something else, Okay, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.079 that would have been a tragedy and not just that 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.640 ass whip it because like, we don't play that shit. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.560 And so yeah, I knew Ron our Tests was a 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.120 different dude when like I did. I'm not I wasn't 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.120 a sports fan at all. I knew Ron was a 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:04.920 different nigga when I heard his Michael Jackson tribute song. Okay, 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.520 Michael Michael, Michael. 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:09.800 My nigga, you. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:11.960 Make this up. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:13.920 I'm not making this up. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:18.040 Google, ron Or Tests Michael Jackson's tribute Now you released 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.400 it like the day after Michael Jackson died, and it 0:09:20.520 --> 0:09:21.520 was like, what the fuck? 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:27.240 Michael Michael, Michael, you my nigga. I'm not lying about Test. Yeah. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.599 I thought you would have knew this to me, the 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:34.560 way you like to play like. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.199 He just found it. Oh god, oh. 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.360 Wow, Michael Michael, Michael, you my nigga. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.240 And the fact that you know the course is ending 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.679 right now, that's. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:45.640 How I know Ron Tests. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:47.800 I mean I knew when he became Metal World peace 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:49.800 right that's name. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:51.000 Now Well. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.120 M w well what I was leading to, Well, your 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:00.240 one was where were you at when it happened? But 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:05.840 Detroit has such I know, like, yes, the Philadelphia that 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:10.760 always had to face Boston. Yes, I can attest to 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.800 the fact that many a racial moment at the hands 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:19.600 of Boston fans have occurred, and you know I've seen it. 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.240 But I'll say that Detroit probably. 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:30.560 Has the second most intense fan base next to Philadelphia, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:37.240 which Philadelphia is yeah, no, but it's well, okay, maybe 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.800 as a team, not the fans. We are the worst 0:10:39.840 --> 0:10:44.200 fans of all time. But is it necessary for you 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.800 guys to always be like the bad boys of whatever? 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:51.559 Yeah, it's in basketball. 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:54.720 It is something we wear with honor because understand that 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.520 when the bad Boys were winning, we interrupted a narrative 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.680 that was going on in the NBA at that time. 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.280 It was supposed to be Magic and Larry Bird. That 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:07.600 was the error, right, that was the rivalry. And then 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.160 here comes Isaiah Thomas out of nowhere having a nerve 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:13.320 to win back to back titles. And because of the 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:16.559 brand of basketball that Detroit was playing, and let's not 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:19.880 get it twisted, people act like I seen many eclipse 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:22.600 where Kevin McHale was lumping motherfuckers up. 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:27.440 I saw media clips Robert Parrish. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.240 I mean, you know he he's sitting up there just 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.360 almost damn near Macho May and Randy Savage and people. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:34.920 Like all the time. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.880 But we were the ones who got the reputation because 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.480 I think it went hand in hand to generally what 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:43.240 people thought of the city. You know, Detroit has always 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.000 had this reputation of being not just a violent city, 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.440 but a city that nobody gives a fuck about, Like Detroit. 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:51.800 People just don't deserve nice things. That's just been the. 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.880 General attitude, like we're not cool like Chicago. You know 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.319 what I'm saying, Like we're not cool like Chicago. We're 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.920 not cool like New York. We're not cool like La. 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.640 They murder rates to look like ours. But people love 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.280 these cities because they think they're so cool and trendy. 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:09.480 And it with Detroit, we're treated like a stain on 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:14.079 this country. And yeah, I mean, even though Motown obviously 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:17.239 gave you, you know, one of the greatest black empires 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.839 of all time, the reality is that that's always been 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:26.400 our lot in life. And because of that disrespect, I 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:30.520 think our general conditioning tells us, Okay, oh y'all think 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.480 we ain't shit, well, we're gonna act as eight shit 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:36.040 as possible. And so that was always, you know, kind 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:37.640 of the thing with the bad boys. They were taking 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:42.200 on very much the character of the city like a hard, scrappy. 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:45.840 We'll show you crazy, yes. 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.600 Exactly, like you think we're bad boys. Okay, let's see what. 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:51.600 We'll show you what we're about. And we knew that, 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.559 you know, truly, the campaign starting to Detroit, Detroit versus 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.880 everybody that's our mentality, and that translated to a lot 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:03.120 of our sports teams, but the Pistons in particular, because 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.920 you know, the black identity is kind of tied up 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:10.880 in that mindset that we all we got cm B, 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:17.520 we all we got so because of that, that's why 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.760 you'll find that a lot of Detroiters take an unusually 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.920 high amount of almost delusional pride in the city. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.520 When you run into anybody from Detroit, you're like, damn, 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:29.920 don't like, Yes. 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:33.680 That's how we are, you know, and so and for that, 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.920 you know, I think the way that that city having 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:42.120 that character certainly is something that whenever I've run into 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.080 obstacles or whatever, it's that character that was that was 0:13:47.160 --> 0:13:50.600 kind of infused in me early being from this city, 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.320 that has really helped me whether a lot of different 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:56.440 things in my life. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.280 It's like, you know, we just tough, We just we 0:13:58.360 --> 0:13:59.000 just built different. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:01.600 Now, y'all got a chip. So I'm a production part 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:06.040 of ZOUL. He's Detroit and talk to him. Yeah, it 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:10.200 is Detroit. Yeah something the DMV know. He's been there 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.240 for like the past, you know, twelve thirteen years, have 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.560 a long but not Detroit is home for him. 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:16.920 But in being around him. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.600 He just explained to me, I kind of got that 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.560 mentality like everything you say, Jamil, just out Detroiters. You 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:23.720 just kind of have that chip on your shoulder, like 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.520 it's just that eternal chip that you know you're gonna 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:26.880 go harder. 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.720 I'm gonna show you like it's that thing. 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:31.160 And it's and it's even different than like a Chicago 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.440 kind of hip, Like it's a different it's a different thing. 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.960 It's but yeah, but all my the thing I always 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.680 like about Detroiters is that you know what it is 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.200 with them. There's no ambiguity. They either love you or 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.200 they hate you, and you know what it is. And 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:44.600 I appreciate that. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:46.920 Yeah, and we I mean we ride for our folks. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:49.120 I mean, you know, anybody from the d or just 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.160 people that we love that show us love. You know, 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.600 Isaiah Thomas is from Chicago, but you know he can 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.120 do no wrong in Detroit ever, you know what I'm saying, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.480 because that's our dude. And it's the same any of 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:03.520 those pistons in O four that got into Mallas in 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:05.800 the Palace when the whole nation. 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.160 Was just just. 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.360 Throwing shots at Detroit about oh this is what you 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.520 expect from a violent city. We're like fucking the happy 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.360 at Auburn Hills. That ain't even us, but we'll claim it. Yeah, 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:19.160 that's us, now, what you know. So it's it's been 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:20.240 a it's a badge honor. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:20.720 Definitely. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:25.160 Question Barry Sanders, did you ever get to meet him, 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:26.640 watch him play, interview him, or. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:27.240 Anything like that. 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.720 Like I said, I'm ten thousand years old even so. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:32.800 Yeah. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:37.560 So here here's the the unusualness about my my Detroit fandom. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:39.880 The one team I'm not a fan of is the 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.880 Lions because Lions it was. 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:42.560 So damn shitty. 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:44.880 Like you, if you can see in my background, you 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.080 see this little mini helmet here. That's my husband's he 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.000 alliance fan. Please pray for him because he's from Detroit too. 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.280 I'm a forty nine ers. 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.600 Yes, the big helmet is mine because we actually win things, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.400 unlike the Lions. So to answer your point, though, I mean, 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.560 you know Barry during that time we talk in late eighties, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:05.520 you know, early nineties. I mean, he was some of 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.400 the for the Lions on some of the best teams 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.640 they've ever had. The thing about Barry is when you 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:15.000 meet him, like he's a very soft spoken very quiet, 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.000 you know, kind of person. But I don't know if 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:22.840 I've seen too many players rupture more Achilles and tare 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.840 Mour knees than Barry. Standers did trying to tackle that. Dude, 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.760 asked Rod Woodson, still looking for his kneecap because of Barry, 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:32.800 saying okay, you know, and he could make he I mean, 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:35.240 he's the only running back probably in history that could 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.600 make a one yard loss look like the most incredible 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:41.840 play you have ever seen in your life. And it 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.360 was an exciting time for Lions fans then because he 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.920 was such a superstar, somebody who was committed to the city. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.040 Barry still lives in Detroit, and that's yeah, he still 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.360 lives there. I mean that's you know, and very beloved. 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:58.320 And that's the people we that gives us a special 0:16:58.360 --> 0:16:59.880 kind of pride with. It's people that are not even 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.960 from there, people that as soon as they're done playing, 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.000 that could leave and they still stay there anyway. 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:06.680 I mean that's just love. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.880 Yeah, Yo, Okay, that reminds me speaking of Detroit, because 0:17:10.920 --> 0:17:12.479 I don't think me and you never talked about this 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:13.000 on your show. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:16.439 What is your Detroit take? On? Kwame? 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.080 I was about to ask in the middle, I was 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.720 talking about they ain't breaking and they spelled. 0:17:22.720 --> 0:17:23.920 I was like, well, that. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:25.199 Nigga cme definitely made it. 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.080 I mean that might be the most that might be 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.119 the most detroit nigga. Ever, I ain't gonna lie like 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:36.200 that is what? What is he in prison? 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.000 They was talking about it for a minute and then 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:48.359 they stopped it. Your Christine she ended up was on 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:49.880 like a show or something that. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.080 Was about It was about women who, like they they 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.199 basically tried to pick up their lives and put it 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.480 back together after something happened. And I mean, it's a 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.560 long story, but it's such as. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:01.960 The women involve will call me is like what y'all 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:02.440 talking about? 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:04.920 Yes, it's Oh my god, that's what I mean. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:05.840 That's what I remember. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:08.080 I remember text to texting. It's been so long. 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:09.680 It's just such a his story. 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:11.560 And I was there when when all of it unfolding, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.480 and working at the newspaper that I want a Pulitzer 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:16.280 for for essentially taking. 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:19.440 Him down, you know. So Kwame. Yeah, I don't know 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.520 if y'all remember this, but Kwame was built. He was 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:22.200 on the conversary. 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:30.200 Mayor is over here we go in five. 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.760 Out there in nine button suits, the Steve Harvey Specials 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:36.919 Steve Collection. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:39.399 You know what I'm saying. 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.040 He proposed of this and uh so he it's a 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:44.760 different look. He got an ear ring in his ear. 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.600 He in his early thirties. He the mayor of Detroit, 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:49.760 you know, one of the blackest cities in the country. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.440 All that ship is a recipe for disaster because because 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.960 you know, when you're mayor, obviously you have you know, 0:18:57.000 --> 0:19:00.199 you have power, you have a security detail, access, you 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.639 have access, you got you got a city credit card, 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.080 you got all these other things. He went to DC 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.200 about the borrow out. We can't we had the mayor 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.800 that was doing stuff like that. It was just it 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:13.160 was just like it was just so like he would 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:16.280 give you a professionalism with some hood and it's just 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:17.040 like what. 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:18.280 Like I swear to guy every. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.199 Friday, like addressed with or like. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:25.520 But he did have on I mean, I'm sure you guys, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.919 as musicians, at some point you probably had to do 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.800 an interview or do something with w JLB at Detroit, 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.119 which is like the big earthen station in the v 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:38.520 and he he had a weekly segment on JAILB talking 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.080 about called how at the mayor. 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:46.480 Really, yeah, that was the That was the original podcast. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:49.960 So uh, the movie had a State with Chris Rock 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.320 was partly based off Kame Kirkpatrick, like if this dude 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:54.680 could like that's what. 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.600 He was a good mayor or No, it. 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:58.680 Was just about the fact that what happens when you 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:03.639 just take an address abject negro dem to a political 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:07.200 office and the shenanigans that can shoot. Because it's a 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.440 lost story short, this is ultimately the downfall of Kwame 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:13.680 Kilpatrick and it's based off one of the most infamous 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.920 yet unproven Steell stories about what happened during his regime. 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.720 So the urban tale is that and how this all 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:27.880 kick started him going down for in Bestling City. Yes, yes, 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:31.480 because of course yes, Oh no, it's a whole thing. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.840 So the Minogian Mansion is the mayoral mansion in Detroit. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:38.720 The urban legend is that Kwame Kilpatrick threw a party there, 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.280 a huge party that you talked to anybody from Detroit, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.399 they swear they was there, but nobody knows shit, but 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:43.800 they all. 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:44.920 Said they was there. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:46.560 He threw this party. 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.960 Wife, he goes out of town, wife, he circles back 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:52.919 to the party because I don't know I guess it 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:54.639 was like something just ay right or whatever. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:57.760 Right, So she circles back. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.879 Supposedly comes back, and the urban legend is Kwame was there. 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:05.000 It was strippers, his boys, party out of control. She 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:10.000 beat up the stripper who uh who later wound up 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:13.480 who was later murdered, like very shortly after this happened, 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.640 she was murdered execution style on the street of Detroit. 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:20.880 What it's still unsolved. It's still unsolved, right. 0:21:21.520 --> 0:21:25.359 So then you know this party like people spent I 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.000 mean investigative reports really tried to uncover like did this 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:28.720 party take place? 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:29.040 Did not? 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.919 Whatever happened, long story short is that, uh, he was 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:37.200 also having an affair with his with his deputy, who 0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.800 was Christine Beatty, who is talking about on the I 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:43.320 think she was like his deputies. Now she wasn't deputy mayor. 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.320 I don't know if she was press secretary. She was 0:21:45.440 --> 0:21:47.560 one of those positions. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.320 Kids used to call him uncle because he was best 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:55.000 friends with her, friends with her husband. Now this is 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.520 all on the record. 0:21:56.960 --> 0:22:00.960 So he had an affair with Christine Beatty, and what 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:03.399 happened is dirty macket. 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:04.919 It was just a dirty mackett. 0:22:05.000 --> 0:22:07.760 Is that he used city money to continue his dirty, 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:12.080 dirty the dirty Mackett. So he some of his security 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:15.240 detail figured out that they were having an affair and 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.040 he was trying to get them to lie for him 0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.760 and do all you know, like you can't do that, right, 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:23.080 and so uh, they he fired one of them. 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.800 The dude that he fired wound up suing him and. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.080 All these part of the evidence was all these text messages. 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:30.880 So I'm just trying to figure out how. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.680 Let's clear all these text messages on company phone. 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:37.560 Phones, on the city phones. 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.440 Here's a little uh, here's a little tip pro tip 0:22:40.480 --> 0:22:42.600 that people may not know. We have something called the 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:48.280 the uh freedom of right. It's called foy For sure, 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.640 any public official and government of office, you can put 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:55.600 in a Fourier requests and get everything they've written on 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.760 city whatever, every all the text messages, anything, because anything 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:08.080 you're governor local government does it is public information. It's 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:09.760 still a lot they may have to sue to get 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:11.600 it because some people try to block it, but it's 0:23:11.640 --> 0:23:12.680 all public information. 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:13.720 Like you could go. 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.239 Down right now and ask for the like, you know, 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:19.840 the mayor's contract or the city contract with the police department. 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.120 They have to give it to you because it's all 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.000 public information. So this is reporters. We use this all 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.560 the time to our advantage. So long story short, these 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:32.000 text messages, the free press gets them, and their text 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.080 messages not only to Kwame and Christine Beatty, proven that 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:37.760 they did indeed have this affair, proven that he did 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:42.480 fire this main person in his security detail because he 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:45.440 did it out of vindictiveness and vengeance, because he wanted 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:46.800 him to try to cover up his affair, and he 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:48.480 wouldn't do it till he fired him. 0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.359 And he wound up suing the city for eleven million dollars. 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:55.680 And it was like a whole thing. These text messages 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:57.879 were pure gold. I mean pure gold. 0:23:58.119 --> 0:24:01.000 Yes, we were climing player. 0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:03.880 Actually, I think we used to read him out loud 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.400 on the radio, like do a dramatic interpretation. 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:09.800 They're so unbelievable and you come to find out, you know, 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.400 it wasn't just Christy Beattie, Like the mayor was out 0:24:12.400 --> 0:24:15.119 there doing his just told him I'm mac you know, 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:17.520 he was out there. 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:17.840 Doing his. 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.560 First song to hit me at this time. 0:24:22.600 --> 0:24:23.760 I would just like to shout out to all the 0:24:23.840 --> 0:24:26.720 young black mayors who are doing their thing. Asia Brown, 0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.160 I see you in Compton and Michael Tubbs and California Stockton, 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:31.200 I see you as well. 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.240 Yes, oh yeah, and the new mayor of Ferguson first 0:24:33.240 --> 0:24:33.720 black man. 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:37.520 Wait, she's not my Black Lives Matter sister though, right, 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:39.480 it's that's. 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:39.879 The one who is. 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:42.600 She won the primary and it's poised to to win 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.240 a representative seat. But no, I mean so it was 0:24:46.320 --> 0:24:48.920 just abject foolishness. And on top of all the things 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:51.399 he was doing, he put his daddy on a city 0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:52.600 contract that like. 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.360 He never made it on. It was just foolish man. 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:59.239 His boy, uh, he allowed him he had he had 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.280 done some reckless and he allowed him to report to 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:02.440 jail on the weekends. 0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:04.240 And it turned out he wasn't even report to jail 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:05.119 on the weekends. 0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:08.840 It was like it was just every time he could 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:11.040 possibly steal, he figured out a way to try to 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:11.480 steal it. 0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:15.560 But so basically he was the blueprint for Trump pretty much. 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:16.760 I mean pretty much. 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.720 I mean he he hooked up his family in a 0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:23.480 very similar fashion. And you know, Detroit already a broke city, 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.359 so it's like we ain't even got shipped, and you 0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:28.760 just so you have just stolen everything that wasn't nailed down. 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:32.640 So gentrification yet hell yeah, we got it now. 0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:35.400 Yeah, not back then. 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.080 I mean you know, I mean there were some uh 0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:41.680 you know Detroit that's just like every like any city. 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:44.800 You know, it's right off the waterfront in Canada's our neighbor. 0:25:45.160 --> 0:25:47.000 So all that all that stuff was, you know, they 0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.280 basically waited on property values to be depressed. 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:51.440 And now I go downtown. 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.560 They got a Lululemon and a Whole Foods and I 0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:54.280 can't believe it. 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:57.680 Yeah, and a bunch of white people. 0:25:57.720 --> 0:25:59.760 Like now you go downtown Detroit, You going the restaurant, 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:01.639 you might the only black person in there, which is 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:02.520 crazy to me. 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:11.040 Before the lockdown, I went to Detroit and I meant, 0:26:11.200 --> 0:26:15.200 you know, I still considered, especially when Dylan was here 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.239 with us. I mean, I made a line share of 0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:21.240 a lot of albums I'm known for in the city 0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:25.320 of Detroit, and it is. 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:26.920 Night and day. 0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:27.119 Now. 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.760 I know a lot of that has to do with gentrification. 0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:36.639 I mean they're white, is okay? Well, yeah, I was 0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:41.359 going to say, like, how do you feel about how 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:46.639 Detroit has transformed? Because now things that I've never seen 0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:49.800 twenty years ago, like farmed the table, restaurants. 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:52.480 And yeah they call South Toronto now luxury. 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:58.520 Yeah, luxury, luxury like hotels that were former firehouses or banks. 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.600 And yes, I know exactly where you stay if you 0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:02.840 stayed that that converted all the time. 0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:06.080 Yo, it's so luxurious or is that or is that 0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:11.360 a flim flam for tourists that just come to downtown Detroit. 0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:16.760 Meanwhile the other miles five, six, seven, eight, not whatever. 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:21.359 Yeah, gentrification stops at a certain point. So for me 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:24.360 it is Yeah, I'll be blunt. I don't like it. 0:27:24.440 --> 0:27:26.359 And the reason I don't like it is not because 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:30.520 I don't want to see Detroit step into a progression, 0:27:30.600 --> 0:27:32.040 and it's not that I don't want my city to 0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:35.000 do well. I don't like it because for years and 0:27:35.080 --> 0:27:37.040 years and years, there was a lot of black people, 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.320 a lot of black business owners who poured their sweat 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:43.080 equity into the city of Detroit, into downtown Detroit when 0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:45.520 we wasn't fashionable to fuck with us, and they got 0:27:45.520 --> 0:27:48.040 pushed out because there's there's not a lot of black 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:48.800 businesses down there. 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:49.560 You brought up Diyler. 0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:52.760 His donut spot is one of the few black businesses 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:55.199 that were down there. I think it may have closed 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.640 since but the donuts were really good at any rate. 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:01.640 So that's the part that I think not just in Detroit, 0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:03.639 but Oakland, you go to most of the major cities. 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:05.880 That's the part that doesn't sit well is that as 0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:09.439 soon as they able to flip the complexion of what 0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:13.119 the place looks like, then all of a sudden, grocery stores. 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.680 I mean when I when I was growing up, the 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:20.240 last department store Detroit closed and it wasn't one downtown 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.199 for years, years and years and years. And now to 0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:31.040 see like under Armour, Nike all these places correct, it's like, 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:34.440 now you got these, you know, million dollar condos and 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:37.320 swinging lofts and all that other stuff, which is which 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.080 is great, But I look at who's in these buildings, 0:28:40.080 --> 0:28:43.280 who owns these buildings, and who's really benefiting off the 0:28:43.280 --> 0:28:45.920 sweat equity that people who are real Detroit just put 0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.440 into that place for years, and it's not us. So 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.160 it's it's it's a little hurtful to see. 0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:54.280 Is the Anthemium still up the Atheneum? 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.400 Yep, it's still there. My problem was at the Athenium. 0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:03.680 I gotta say that I believe I think the Anthemium 0:29:03.880 --> 0:29:05.200 opened in ninety seven. 0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:07.640 I believe either ninety six or ninety seven. 0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.080 I think it opened before then because my prom was 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.040 there and I enjoyed it in ninety three, so. 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.960 Well they did they did something where they did to 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:20.400 repurpose right, and we were like one of the first 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:21.160 people stay there. 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:25.040 So it was like a brand new condo. Like it 0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:27.120 was like a touch of elegance. 0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:32.000 And then twenty years later, not quite say it's like 0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:33.040 a two star hotel. 0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:34.880 Yeah, I mean, but they got better. 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.640 I mean they got a lot of great places now, 0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.440 like you mentioned the converted firehouse, and then they got 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:45.520 a new joy, the Shinola Hotel, which is like, yeah, unbelievable. 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.960 Yeah, say there too. Yeah, did you ever go to 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:50.800 the hip hop shop in your teen years? The spots 0:29:50.800 --> 0:29:51.880 that Maurice Malone Like. 0:29:51.880 --> 0:29:53.280 Yeah, I never went there. 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:55.280 A lot of my friends were there, but that's obviously 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:58.080 a very legendary place to go into Detroit, much like St. Andrew's, 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.760 which Fonte brought up earlier, like that those were like 0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:04.880 kind of classic enclaves. I mean, I've seen so many 0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:08.920 underground you know, folks at Saint Andrews and even people 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.800 who became you know, a really big deal like I 0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.560 saw The first time I saw Jill Scott was at 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.400 Saint Andrews, you know, and she was there in the 0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.600 middle of a blizzard and I was like, this woman 0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:23.400 is incredible and I think getting it away had wasn't 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.880 even that hot yet. But the person I was dating 0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:28.440 at the time was like, oh, you should check her out, 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:30.880 like she's dope, and he took me to the concert 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.880 and I was like, oh yeah, I fuck with her absolutely. 0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:37.000 I was gonna say, it's the are the folks like 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.600 it seems like there's a nice collective of Detroit folks 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.360 that I've done well for themselves and still are connected 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:42.840 to the city. 0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:46.120 I like, I know, Big Sean definitely a lot for Detroit. 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:49.800 Royce, the five nine, Yeah, I mean these are all 0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:50.720 people want to ask you. 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:51.959 How connected are folks? 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.959 Yeah? Yeah, no, you know, I've I've connected. 0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.480 I did a podcast with Royce which was great, Like 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:00.720 Royce is just a real dude, Like love that dude. 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:06.640 Very underrated lyricists. Uh, he's great. Days is great, Big Sean. 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:10.160 Like when back Black Panthers came where I was like, 0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:13.760 what's I don't know, because I mean and it felt 0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:16.240 like they were it was some image changing. 0:31:15.920 --> 0:31:19.560 That was happening, Like, yeah, definitely. 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:20.600 Felt like that was underway. 0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:23.920 So I'm wondering if this is them trying to craft 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:26.680 her into something has stunned the growth just to just 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:27.200 I don't. 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:31.680 Know about it, but just based on that's how it looks. 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:35.640 So when Black Panther came out, Me Day's Loaf, Big Sean, 0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:40.400 we all collaborated to to get kids in Detroit to 0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.680 send to go see the movie. So it's just like, 0:31:43.840 --> 0:31:45.120 you know, all we do got to do is throw 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:45.800 up a who do you who? 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:46.560 Call that? 0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.480 We all it's Eminem a big part of that collective 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:50.680 of kind of giving back up. 0:31:50.800 --> 0:31:53.720 So I know Eminem and Royce are tight. I've never 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.320 had any interaction with Eminem, but it's I mean, he's 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:59.440 got like, he's got a really good reputation in the city. 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:02.320 Not a person that who you know is from the 0:32:02.400 --> 0:32:04.400 d who was kind of harder to funk with for 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:05.520 a lot of reasons. 0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:09.200 Is right, I forgot. 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:14.640 Yeah, that's all I gotta say about that. For him, 0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:18.160 it's still in Detroit to right Detroit area. 0:32:19.960 --> 0:32:21.840 Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm still trying to figure 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.280 out how dude that grew up outside of Detroit is 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.240 suddenly the foremost bar of the Confederate flag. 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:31.600 But I digress. 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.560 His thing is he has a black son, and you 0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:35.640 know that's his past. 0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:42.280 So he's sister. 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:43.880 Not the. 0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:50.520 Okay, first of all, I didn't know it was Jody 0:32:50.520 --> 0:32:51.200 Whitley's sister. 0:32:51.320 --> 0:32:52.200 I had no idea. 0:32:52.240 --> 0:32:55.280 But yeah, but he's got a black Everybody knew that 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.120 he that he has a black son. So like, so 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.280 him waving that Confederate flag or just him trying to 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.680 flip the script like in college. When I was in college, 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.200 like k Rock was calling our college newspaper all the 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:08.840 time to try to get us to review his CD, 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.720 you know, because he was a hip hop artist. 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:18.280 Then, like you know, you spend your formative years trying 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:21.560 to be down and then you know, when you're forty, 0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.720 you just morphed back into what you really. 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.760 Are, like you lose your revolution. 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:36.040 Like absolutely, I'm sorry, I'm the only one here actually 0:33:36.080 --> 0:33:36.640 like sports. 0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:44.840 That is actually a lie. But go ahead and ask question. 0:33:45.320 --> 0:33:46.560 A couple of quick questions. 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:49.880 Who's your favorite Detroit Tiger of all time? 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.760 Uh oh, that's such a good question. I'm going to say. 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:56.200 I'm going to say Kirk. 0:33:56.040 --> 0:34:00.320 Gibson okay, and what made you nine Ers fan? 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.320 So it's a very boring, ridiculous story. I know you're like, 0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:06.840 how is something boring or ridiculous? 0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:07.920 It was like this. 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:10.880 So my mother was she was seventeen years old or 0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.799 eighteen years old. I think she turned eighteen. She moved 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:17.960 out to the Bay Area with my father, and I 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:22.520 was not in the picture quite yet, but I became 0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:23.840 in the picture when they moved out to. 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.600 The Bay Area. 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.120 The sight of my conception is in the Bay and 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:31.799 so so yeah, my mother while she was out there, 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.040 I wasn't born after I was born in Detroit, but 0:34:35.160 --> 0:34:39.360 she loved the forty nine ers and she really liked 0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.200 the team in it and as they got better, and 0:34:42.239 --> 0:34:45.160 then they drafted a young fellow named Joe Montana. She 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.760 was a really big fan of Joe Montana's and so 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:49.839 she would always talk about the forty nine ers. And 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.160 she was still a Lions fan as well. But the 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.560 Lions were dreadful. They were so shitty. When I was 0:34:55.560 --> 0:34:57.560 coming up then, I was like, why would I care 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:01.759 about this team that doesn't w and they're all, you know, 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:05.799 the franchise seems to be completely incompetent, Like why would 0:35:05.800 --> 0:35:06.600 I root for the Lions? 0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:07.879 Like, who cares? Like they suck? 0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:12.040 So taking the part of the forty nine ers from her, 0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:14.200 I just started watching the forty nine ers and they 0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:15.120 just became my team. 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:17.040 And so hints the helmet. 0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.760 Yeah, good timing too. The Lions have never won right now. 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:22.680 They're they're they're in. 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:25.120 I think it's the Lions in Cleveland are the only 0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:27.200 two NFL teams who have not been to a modern 0:35:27.239 --> 0:35:31.120 day Super Bowl. Oh, for shit, they need to get 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:31.840 to that motherfucker. 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:37.720 They can't even sniff it. What But I do tell. 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:39.960 People that, you know, for as much as the Lions 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:44.560 have lost the dedication, the fans there are horribly dedicated. 0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:45.799 I live with one, so I know. 0:35:46.360 --> 0:35:49.920 And if they ever went to a Super Bowl, they 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.719 ain't even got a window, bitch. If they ever got there, 0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.960 it just get there. It'd be the biggest sports story, 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:56.480 arguably in Michigan history. 0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:01.279 What's the number one reason why the Lions can't can't 0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.640 get there or haven't gotten there? 0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.040 Well, you know, as they say, attitude reflect leadership. The 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:09.200 Ford family has I got that from remember the Titans. 0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:19.960 I'm not a genius. Yeah it was, so, you know, 0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.600 the thing is like I believe a wood Hare said it. 0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:25.640 So the thing about the Lions is like they've been 0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:30.000 the one constant has been the Ford family ownership. And 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:33.560 to me, it's like you keep changing coaches, You've changed 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:37.480 many a quarterback, you've changed offenses. The one constant is 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.719 the leadership up top has not changed. It's been in 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:41.920 the Ford family for years and will probably be there forever. 0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:47.840 I think, you know, they are just not good football people. 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.880 And you know right now they're trying to copy a 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.759 blueprint for the Patriots because like other teams have done, 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.240 like they hired Matt Patricia, who's was the defensive coordinator 0:36:57.239 --> 0:36:59.040 for the Patriots. They have a whole lot of Patriots 0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:01.839 folks in the building. Looting the GM is somebody from 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:06.120 the Patriots organization. And what's so funny about that formula 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:07.840 is that it's not really a formula. 0:37:07.960 --> 0:37:10.200 The formula was Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.040 I was about to say, I thought, OK, unless you 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.200 have one of them, then you know, notice none of 0:37:15.360 --> 0:37:19.640 like Bill Belichick's coaching tree is actually terrible, Like the 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:22.960 best coaching the best person that came from his coaching 0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:23.800 tree is Nick Saban. 0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:25.680 Everybody else has been bad. 0:37:26.040 --> 0:37:26.200 You know. 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:29.959 It's not like Tonyngee. Tony Dungee has an incredible coaching tree, 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:34.920 Bill Walsh incredible coaching tree. Bill Belichick is whack because 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.759 again all of them did not have Tom Brady. So 0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:41.279 unless you can create a Tom Brady, then. 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:45.839 Good luck Belichick. He's part of the Parcels coaching tree. 0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.440 And that's my right, correct. 0:37:47.600 --> 0:37:50.600 So like Bill Parcell's great coaching tree, you know. 0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.680 And so at any rate, the Lions they just have 0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:59.640 been they've had just really incompetent front offices, just dreadful coaches. 0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:02.640 I mean, it's just, uh, it just hasn't been in 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.279 the card for cards for them. Look, I don't have 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:07.520 anything against the lines. I want them to do well 0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.080 because I know what it means for the city and 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.560 I want to protect my husband's mental health. 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:16.040 So now I want them to do y'all think that 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:17.800 the South will ever get football teams or what? 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.320 Will? They just continue to depend on college football. 0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.120 They do have some football teams. They call it the 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:25.239 SEC pretty much. 0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:31.280 Yeah, I mean, we got the Panthers. 0:38:28.120 --> 0:38:31.640 Me right, my trip and I just came to Panthers. 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:37.920 It's like but you and no, probably not. And I 0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:40.440 don't think they want pro sports like they're that like 0:38:40.480 --> 0:38:42.680 to them, Alabama football is a pro sport. 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.440 I mean, and it is, I mean for real, so 0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:47.120 like it ain't no big deal to them. 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.080 I just came into the enlightenment of why they get 0:38:49.080 --> 0:38:50.240 so hype about college sports. 0:38:50.239 --> 0:38:51.840 I was like, oh my god, there really it's. 0:38:51.719 --> 0:38:55.160 Not a lot of but even here, it's just college 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.840 football in the South is just a different animal relation 0:38:58.200 --> 0:39:01.800 sports panal correct, general, Like I mean the ACC tournament 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:04.280 down here, like when I mean when the world was open, 0:39:04.840 --> 0:39:08.520 Like our teachers used to roll the damn cart in 0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:10.920 the classroom, you know what. 0:39:12.480 --> 0:39:14.919 Yeah, like doing the a SEC tournament. Man, we ain't 0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:19.839 do in school that dope. We watched the joint But. 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:23.040 It is the point, not isn't the point to support 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.360 that particular player and then watch them going to greatness? 0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:30.439 Yeah? Yeah, they wouldn't want a professional football team want. 0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:30.919 To make money? 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.400 Well they don't think they don't want to make money? 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:37.000 Right? Do you think they will ever play college players ever? 0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:42.040 I think a reckoning is coming because at some point 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.239 they will not be able to hold back the inevitable. 0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:49.280 And what this pandemic has exposed is how their greed 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.200 has honestly put them in this position because here's the thing. 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.680 If they were actually paying the players, people would have 0:39:54.840 --> 0:39:58.280 less of a problem with them playing during this pandemic. 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.400 Like the pros, to play is one thing because they're pros, 0:40:02.440 --> 0:40:05.480 they're paid, they all have unions. If college players were 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:09.160 actually paid, there would not be a lot of handwringing 0:40:09.160 --> 0:40:10.960 about whether or not they should be playing. You wouldn't 0:40:11.000 --> 0:40:14.560 have to worry about the optics of having players on 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:18.200 campus but not regular students, which sends the message that 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.280 it's okay to say, we have to sacrifice your lives 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.759 and your health and your safety because we built an 0:40:23.880 --> 0:40:26.040 entire free economy off your free labor. 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:26.400 Off this. 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.640 Yeah, I seen thousand people watching Nigga solve a math problems, 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:31.399 you know. 0:40:31.360 --> 0:40:34.920 What I'm saying, So that that's what's being exposed. I 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:36.719 mean it's always been that way, but I think it's 0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.279 become especially obvious during this pandemic is that you have 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:45.239 you know, you have people who have seven figure salaries. 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:47.960 You know those college towns in Alabama. Think about what 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.960 happens to Tuscaloosa with no Alabama football. 0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.040 So it's no shock that the. 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.480 SEC has decided to continue to play because they have 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:58.960 built an entire economy around these players. 0:40:59.000 --> 0:41:00.000 It's a whole ecosystem. 0:41:00.000 --> 0:41:02.759 It's a whole ecosystem, exactly, Nick sab but it's making 0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.120 eight nine million dollars a year. 0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.960 You think that's the question about the pros being in 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:08.560 some of these towns, because I'm like, well, if they 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.239 had a pro team, may be able to kind of 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:11.239 balance out a little bit. 0:41:11.840 --> 0:41:18.200 I mean, it was right. I guess you're right. 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:19.720 And not only that the Southern states. 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.160 I mean, not that this has stopped anybody from putting 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.720 sports ahead of the welfare of their constituents, but Southern 0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:28.120 states are are generally the poor states in the nation. 0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:31.319 So it's like there's also you know, here's why I 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.359 love it when these conservatives always got they always got 0:41:34.440 --> 0:41:36.680 heat for Chicago and democratic cities. 0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:38.680 I'm like, have you seen Mississippi? 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:39.120 Motherfucker? 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:43.440 Like all the Republican governors are in the worst states. 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:47.080 It's just like, all right, okay, y'all, ain't got no 0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:47.960 room for talking. 0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:51.680 Just make one one question about the last dance. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:53.840 I to have a Michael George question because he was 0:41:53.840 --> 0:41:56.439 talking about activism, were talking about the NBA and it's lack. 0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:59.080 And that was picking back up with Lebron. What can't 0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.879 we blame your boy a little bit? 0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:04.720 No, we can't. 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.120 But I have a very North Carolina take on this. 0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:10.239 But I'm curious for you. 0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:11.839 I'm kidding I would say this. 0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.799 I think that we need to look at Jordan's off 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.640 the field or off the court contributions in a different way. 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.200 So here's what we have to recognize. What Jordan did 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:24.759 do for black athletes. He gave them a blueprint for 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:27.640 generational wealth, for global success. 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:29.759 He also proved to. 0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:32.319 The business community that you can make a black man, 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.120 a dark skinned black man, the face of a company 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:39.040 and you could be a commercial, international success. 0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:43.160 That's what revolution is to him. Like, that's him, I 0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:43.879 mean to him. 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:45.919 So it's like so for me, like when I look 0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:48.400 at it, it's like, you know, there was a piece 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:49.600 that was written I wanted. 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:51.320 I think the writer was right Thompson. 0:42:51.760 --> 0:42:54.440 But there's like a piece that was written on Jordan, 0:42:54.560 --> 0:42:57.359 like a couple of months ago that was better than 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:58.120 the last dance. 0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:00.880 I mean, the ship was amazing piece because that's like 0:43:00.920 --> 0:43:03.200 the best piece I've ever read on Michael Jordan's. 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:04.960 That ship is amazing, and it breaks down just as 0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.120 a Carolina nigga, that ship spoke to my soul. So 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:09.840 it just breaks down, like his coming up in Wilmington 0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:13.400 and like the racist ship that went down in Wilmington. 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:17.560 And like everything, I apologize, I'm a North No, it 0:43:17.640 --> 0:43:19.000 still it just gives context. 0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.640 And so it just shows like for him for people 0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:24.359 on the outside, like why didn't he speak out? Why 0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:27.560 didn't he do this? For someone like him that literally 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:30.560 came up on a dirt fucking road, like you know 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.239 what I mean, and like saw all these atrocities and 0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:35.680 you know, from his family and like all this shit. 0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.640 The success that was revolution to him, to him is 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:41.959 just yo, I'm just here to do my fucking job, 0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.480 and my job and the work I do on the 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.680 court that's gonna speak for me and speak more for 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.600 my people more than me making a speech ever fucking would. 0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:53.080 And then I'm charge dollars and more for they shoot 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:54.440 these shoes and they're gonna be all right. They might 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.000 kill each other, fight each other over, but I ain't 0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:57.520 gonna say shit. I'm just gonna let it happen, and 0:43:57.560 --> 0:43:59.040 I'm gonna charge more than this. This is gonna be 0:43:59.040 --> 0:43:59.760 five hundred. 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:00.960 Dollars, because that's what it is. 0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:02.759 I mean, listen, I mean if you go to the 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:05.120 I mean if you look at like Starberry when he 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.080 tried to do his shoe, you know, twenty five dollars. 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:10.360 Shoes right in the middle the got that show was 0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:11.279 but no, but. 0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.600 I'm saying it showed that that was price point is 0:44:14.640 --> 0:44:17.680 not an issue for the people that want those shoes, 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:18.399 Like it's not. 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:20.520 Now he's saying niggas need to be killing and shooting 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:21.279 and ship like that. 0:44:21.840 --> 0:44:23.960 But it was just you know, I don't think all 0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:26.200 that should lay at the feet of Jordan, like niggas 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:27.520 is gonna do whatever to get them shoes. 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.839 I wouldn't, but I would say I would not lay 0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:32.759 all that there. As the years have gone by, I 0:44:33.120 --> 0:44:36.520 tended to see his his level or brand of activism 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:40.000 in a different way. That being said, though he had 0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:44.080 opportunities on the most basic shoot all I'm saying like 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:46.960 him not supporting Harvey Gan against Jesse. 0:44:48.400 --> 0:44:50.799 It's like dog like, this is a layup, Like this is 0:44:50.840 --> 0:44:52.239 a la Jordan, like. 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:53.840 This is a literal. 0:44:55.719 --> 0:45:01.799 Literally it was It's gonna be the nineties, It's gonna 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:04.960 be the two thousands. 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:08.880 But the other thing too, I think Jordan's you know, 0:45:08.960 --> 0:45:12.440 he provided a blueprint. The problem was within that that 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.160 in decoding how he was able to gain such success 0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.400 is that players started to take on to an extreme 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:25.800 level this idea that they wanted to be as politically 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.880 or as a political as possible. And because that's I mean, ultimately, 0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:35.560 what Jordan was able to successfully do is he allowed 0:45:35.640 --> 0:45:40.239 himself to be such an every man that you you 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.719 didn't know how he felt about anything, whatever beliefs you 0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.120 thought he had, or you maybe project your own beliefs 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:46.640 onto him and be like, oh, I'm sure he thinks 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:50.399 like this, because that's what made him quote Ico transcended. 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.120 That's like people were so surprised when they saw he 0:45:53.160 --> 0:46:00.279 was listening to Ken what that is? That's my that 0:46:00.440 --> 0:46:02.920 is my uncle, like my uncle, my uncle Brod. 0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:05.520 I love my uncle the death like and he was 0:46:05.600 --> 0:46:07.880 like a big musical influence from me. And you know 0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:09.720 he was listening to pe Funk and all that stuff. 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.160 But hip hop just wasn't his thing. So it's like 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:16.560 certain men like born in the South, Yeah, like that 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:18.760 just wasn't them. 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:20.360 I mean, we love him blackness. 0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:21.840 I can tell by the black and white of his 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:23.399 eyes today that he's black as hell. 0:46:23.760 --> 0:46:25.960 I'm just saying, you tell. 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:33.439 Them jeans shout out to ever created what the fuck 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:34.600 is Michael Jordan wearing? 0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:38.400 But the thing is Jordan was still rock that ship 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.280 right now. Yes, yes, so today today. 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:43.960 Like he ain't even got to the poort where he 0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:46.759 upgraded to be a time joiner cruise fresh, Like he 0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:47.640 ain't even there yet. 0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:51.479 You can't tell him ship. 0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:53.680 I'd be throwing off if he wore like a good 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:56.239 tapered suit, and I'd be throwing off if he had 0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:56.840 something fitted. 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.680 Yeah, despite the fact he has like he should be 0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:08.040 wearing euro cut with the slender Physicah. 0:47:05.680 --> 0:47:06.160 He should. 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:06.560 Yeah. 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.279 I agree that he could have been less a political 0:47:09.400 --> 0:47:14.239 but I also understand the times under which when that 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.400 shit went down, And I also understand for someone like 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:20.200 him from his generation where he's from, I understood his 0:47:20.320 --> 0:47:23.000 definition of success and revolution and standing up for his 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:25.880 people looks very different than what it looks like to 0:47:25.920 --> 0:47:26.439 people now. 0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:28.480 Yeah, it's hard, it's hardly a Kanye. 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:30.040 No, No, he's not. 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:33.000 He never He always embraced being black, like there was 0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:36.200 never any question he was that he was not this 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:40.239 But the problem I think is that I think there's 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:45.520 some degree his miscalculation. Although it has obviously led to 0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:49.120 him attaining unbelievable wealth and being the only black NBA 0:47:49.200 --> 0:47:53.920 owner in the NBA, his miscalculation and sometimes this is 0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:57.000 many people in his position have done this that are black, 0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.239 is that they want to practice capitalism act. And I'm 0:48:01.239 --> 0:48:04.120 not sure if those two things were meant to be 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:05.200 in the same sentence. 0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:06.839 As I said, charity does not. 0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:12.120 Fix structural inequality or institutional racism. It doesn't because you're 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.319 dependent on charity to fix structural issues that were not 0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.960 created by the people giving this charity. Like as great 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.040 as it is that Lebron has started his own school 0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.719 and he is changing lives, it can't do anything to 0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:27.600 fix ultimately, what's the real problem in acron is underfunded 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:32.600 historically underfunded children, Black children in particular. You know, as 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:39.080 great as it is that him for it, but this 0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.239 idea that I think in our community, and this is 0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:47.600 why I encourage us to not to be really very 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:52.040 informed about how politics works, because I hear a lot 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:53.680 of us saying like, I don't really, I don't, I 0:48:53.719 --> 0:48:54.640 don't do politics. 0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.080 No, you have to do politics. 0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:59.200 To make this work because the only way the structural 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.920 inequality is gonna fixed is through politics. Because Lebron can't 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:06.520 start one hundred schools to fix education in America. 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:09.120 He can't. That can only come from policy. So we 0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:10.680 have to be involved on that. 0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:13.920 Level and understand that a lot of us give back 0:49:13.960 --> 0:49:16.319 to the community, a lot of us come back and 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:19.400 try to buy buildings and bly to block it's still 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:22.879 not fixing gentrification and red light it's still not fixing that. 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.440 So we have to. 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:27.120 It's a right start, but you. 0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:29.839 Got to start somewhere fix all this ship. 0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.560 No, but that's why you can't have one without the other. 0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:36.680 Like we can't continue to to disengage ourselves from the 0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:39.120 political process because you. 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:40.839 Know, we we we. 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:43.200 Think it's too hard or we don't want to fight 0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.439 that that fight. But it's like, no, the best thing 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.320 that we could see happen is like we were talking 0:49:49.320 --> 0:49:53.360 earlier about Corey Bush, who you know is soon to 0:49:53.400 --> 0:49:57.080 be It looks like for sure she'll be Representative District 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:58.680 one in in Missouri in St. 0:49:58.760 --> 0:49:59.200 Louis. 0:50:00.640 --> 0:50:03.160 This is a woman who started who was a Ferguson 0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:07.120 activist when Michael Brown was killed and for her to 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.600 go from that to get to being a representative in 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.400 Congress is huge. That's how you fix structural inequality because 0:50:14.400 --> 0:50:17.160 you have somebody there who understands the issues on the ground, 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:22.360 somebody who is a single mother, homeless, domestic assault survivor, 0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.759 I'm sorry, domestic violence survivor, sexual assault survivor, somebody who 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:29.319 understands at a basic level what it's like not to 0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:32.000 have and has and is in a position now to 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.960 sit on committees, impact policy, change neighborhood. 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:38.520 You gotta that's what you gotta have. 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:40.840 Like, it's like, you gotta have that because if you don't, 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:44.680 it's like the charitable stuff will come, will be depending 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:49.680 on somebody in our community attaining generational wealth, which is 0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:50.760 not easy to do. 0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:54.200 To fix some shit. Yeah, it's a crap shoot. 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:56.400 So it's like we gotta like even you don't even 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.239 have to become a rep. If you just sit on 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.759 a school board, you be shocked. You can change yo, 0:51:01.840 --> 0:51:04.800 go to a PA, run your PTA. See what happened, 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:05.680 start ap PTA. 0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:08.560 What we're going through this shit right now with all 0:51:08.600 --> 0:51:12.080 the schools you know where everything going on, virtual going online, 0:51:12.160 --> 0:51:13.960 and nah, we're going through it. 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.400 This shit is insane. This is insane. 0:51:16.600 --> 0:51:18.439 Now more than ever is the time where we need 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:22.240 to retake a lot of our local political structures because they're. 0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:22.959 There to be had. 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:26.560 You know, if somebody asked me, what's how would you 0:51:27.080 --> 0:51:29.480 how would you summarize twenty twenty, and I said I 0:51:29.480 --> 0:51:32.880 would summarize it. My only takeaway or the biggest takeaway 0:51:32.920 --> 0:51:35.800 we need to think about for twenty twenty is district 0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:37.440 attorneys are elected positions. 0:51:38.239 --> 0:51:39.600 That's what we need to take away from this. 0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:45.799 Understand, most DA's run unopposed, most of them do, and 0:51:45.880 --> 0:51:48.960 so most of us do not vote in local elections. 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:53.800 And that is how because we have who the president 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.920 is is powerful, not saying that, but who your mayory is. 0:51:57.160 --> 0:51:59.600 Who's on the police, your judges, all. 0:51:59.480 --> 0:52:03.800 That judges like you gotta vote in those elections because 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:08.080 you can really change your city, Like just by voting, 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.040 you could truly change it. You could get in the 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:14.239 people who understand systemic racism and criminal justice reform, who 0:52:14.360 --> 0:52:19.040 understand because das have so much influence about what cases 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:21.399 to prosecute. If you have a DA that is not 0:52:21.560 --> 0:52:25.279 holding the police accountable, vote them out, vote them out. 0:52:25.680 --> 0:52:28.360 You could put somebody on the ballot who will carry 0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:31.360 justice the way it deserves to be carried in our communities. 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:33.640 And that's why I said, like, we got to stop 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:36.799 this conversation about feeling like it's a badge of honor 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.680 to not be politically engaged. We can't afford to do that. 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.080 We will fail our communities and act like. 0:52:42.040 --> 0:52:44.319 Just because you don't like both the candidate is one 0:52:44.360 --> 0:52:47.280 hundred percent that you just I don't like them. 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:48.600 You know how you change that? 0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:49.400 It's like you change that. 0:52:49.440 --> 0:52:51.560 But being involved from the start, like what we have 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:53.759 right now, that's on the ticket, however you feel about 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.200 it didn't have to be that way. We have plenty 0:52:56.239 --> 0:52:58.960 of opportunities to make sure there was different. 0:52:58.680 --> 0:52:59.640 People on the ticket. 0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:03.240 It didn't right primary exactly. 0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:06.160 Hey, as long as our young people and if they 0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:09.360 as long as they continue to not vote, you keep. 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:11.040 Doing what you're doing, you're gonna keep getting what you're getting, 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:15.839 all right. 0:53:15.920 --> 0:53:23.759 We are quasi noted for being a music podcast. We're 0:53:23.800 --> 0:53:25.480 all things to all podcasts. 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:29.360 I will podcast matter, yeah exactly. 0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:31.080 Well, no we're not all. 0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.759 So I will ask you, uh, and you cannot include 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.560 any greatest sets or box sets compilations. 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:44.120 Okay, that's important distinction you're. 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:48.879 Right, we're in the second wave of quarantining for two 0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:49.800 years straight. 0:53:50.640 --> 0:53:56.520 What five physical albums are you allowed to listen to 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.080 for that duration. 0:53:57.800 --> 0:53:58.719 Of two years? 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:00.000 Okay? 0:54:00.200 --> 0:54:00.680 Records. 0:54:00.960 --> 0:54:03.480 So because I ask people this all the time, I've 0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:07.960 always prepared for this answer for the most part, and 0:54:08.320 --> 0:54:09.840 because I prefer to ask people, I call it the 0:54:09.880 --> 0:54:12.520 Desert Island question. I prefer to ask him that as 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:15.239 opposed to like five mcs, like you got to go 0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:17.400 with the things that mean something to you. 0:54:17.480 --> 0:54:19.480 So for I used to. 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:21.839 Do on this show gun to the Head, but they 0:54:21.840 --> 0:54:22.760 said it's too violent. 0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:27.440 So without gun to the head, I'll just say quarantine. 0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:33.320 Quarantine five five albums Songs in the Key of Life, okay, 0:54:33.680 --> 0:54:36.680 h for sure, Ready. 0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:37.680 To Die Biggie. 0:54:39.239 --> 0:54:41.040 Number four Okay, yep. 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.840 I'm also I mean because I'm gonna make sure I 0:54:44.840 --> 0:54:46.319 get this album Mary Jay is. 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:51.759 My Life Okay, number three, I'm. 0:54:51.680 --> 0:54:54.799 Gonna take the roots. Do you want more? 0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.959 And I'm not I'm not to say that just because, 0:55:00.160 --> 0:55:02.680 like you know, I think about like literally like life 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.640 changing album. 0:55:06.000 --> 0:55:06.879 Just go ahead, finish your. 0:55:06.800 --> 0:55:13.560 List, and I think I'm gonna take because I want 0:55:13.560 --> 0:55:14.680 to say and I'm not. 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.560 I'm just trying to think. You know what. No, Anita 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:19.200 Baker Compositions. 0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:23.000 Oh you go, compositions, okay, dress, that's my love. 0:55:23.960 --> 0:55:31.359 Compositions, Compositions. I've gotten the many argument about Compositions being 0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:35.319 her best album. That's no shade any of her work. 0:55:35.360 --> 0:55:38.160 But I'm telling you Compositions is flawless. 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:40.480 Top now that run, that rapture, giving you the best 0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:42.760 that I got in Compositions. 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:47.280 If she would let her catalog extreme, I could actually 0:55:47.320 --> 0:55:48.000 wait in opinion. 0:55:48.120 --> 0:55:55.759 Wow, I never even checked for It's. 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.280 Only on title. 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:59.279 You could be you can barely find the angel anywhere else, 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:01.040 Like there is no meet I need a Baker on 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.080 Spotify or that's. 0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:05.640 Why you got Laylan and got her in the. 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:08.120 Clinch, her and Her and d. 0:56:11.400 --> 0:56:15.680 Her cover of Analiah. Yeah, her cover of records. 0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:18.399 You can only get a none but the number unfortunately, 0:56:18.600 --> 0:56:21.319 but black was it one in a billion? 0:56:21.400 --> 0:56:22.440 Because that's a million? 0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:24.400 No, this is nothing. 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.120 All the black Ground ships are like Tank first two albums. 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:29.880 I think, yep, all that ship on Blackground. 0:56:29.400 --> 0:56:33.640 Is Nothing's his name Barry Hankerson, right, he holding all 0:56:33.640 --> 0:56:36.759 that ship hostage, Uncle Barry, especially a Leada ship like 0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:40.120 you just I'm so I'm glad I had her CDs, 0:56:40.280 --> 0:56:41.919 like I have a needed ship because I got. 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:45.840 All s away because I thought, get them. 0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.120 Yeah, well I have the CDs, but I also put 0:56:48.160 --> 0:56:50.400 them on a on a hard drive, so I had 0:56:50.400 --> 0:56:54.400 the hard drive with I was like, oh no, I 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:54.799 love that. 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:59.800 So you're sorry, choices you have very Yeah, I'm surprised. 0:56:59.800 --> 0:57:01.759 Ain't Mic make it in that No, MJ. I thought, 0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:02.319 I thought I got. 0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.080 I thought about it as well because I was struggling 0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:09.720 between his first album, because I still you know, I think, uh, 0:57:10.000 --> 0:57:13.560 you know, Off the Wall is better than Thriller. I think, yeah, 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:18.080 I think I struggle with with picking a Michael Jackson 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:20.480 album or a Prints album. The problem is with both 0:57:20.480 --> 0:57:22.600 of them they have so much. I mean not that 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:24.520 Stevie Wonder doesn't, but like to me, songs in the 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.200 Kia Life is like literally a perfect album. So yeah, no, 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:29.760 I just thought to think about the things that I 0:57:29.800 --> 0:57:32.760 have on like constant repeat, and as much as I 0:57:32.800 --> 0:57:36.440 love those artists, it's like, I mean, I was listening 0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:38.959 to My Life like literally a couple of days ago. 0:57:39.360 --> 0:57:41.000 That Joy from top to bottom. 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:43.160 It's a banger. 0:57:44.240 --> 0:57:47.120 I'm gonna say that, you know, I'm saying it's a 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:51.200 curious choice because I think if actually in that situation, 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.720 I don't listen to not the albums that I like 0:57:55.880 --> 0:57:59.080 but like, it would be easy to stay off the wall. 0:57:59.120 --> 0:58:01.160 But I think I would get tired of off the 0:58:01.200 --> 0:58:02.200 wall after. 0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:04.680 Ye after a certain amount of spans two. 0:58:04.600 --> 0:58:07.440 Months of that, so I you know, I would actually 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:09.000 pick like Blood on the. 0:58:11.040 --> 0:58:17.160 No, Yo, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell 0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:18.919 you something I got. 0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:22.600 I got caught in a Michael Jackson rabbit hole, and 0:58:22.680 --> 0:58:26.360 I decided I was going to teach myself to accept 0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:31.200 or like and Invincible. 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:35.560 Yes, that joints. 0:58:37.320 --> 0:58:40.560 The ones that hit hit on Invents Butterfly. 0:58:42.560 --> 0:58:46.560 I'm gonna I'm gonna be in so much trouble when 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:48.200 we get to the writing Jerkins episode. 0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:54.520 No You, the Jerkins joints wasn't the ones that went 0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:56.880 off on that album, the ones that he it was 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:58.840 it was Rocked My World. Well I did like rock 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.920 My World. That was him break it an Butterflies weight. 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:06.680 Listen. It's like. 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:12.000 It may not have I mean to think about Michael 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:14.160 Jackson is like you get so spoiled, like the fact 0:59:14.160 --> 0:59:16.680 that that people at the time considered bad to be 0:59:17.160 --> 0:59:22.160 a disappointment, and that's like. 0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:24.200 Garrett, like see what I'm saying. 0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:27.040 It's like, but his highs were so high that if 0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.880 Michael on a on a twelve a twelve song album, 0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.480 if only four or five of them joints are bankers, 0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:34.640 You're like, this is a disappointment. 0:59:34.680 --> 0:59:35.440 You're like, what you know? 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:38.240 You know? 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.000 I always say, also think it's something too, it has 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:43.520 to be something racist at work. I always thought it 0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:47.760 was something crazy that the Eagles always got the record for, 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:50.840 like the album go Higher and hire this is. 0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:53.880 The greatest hit. So I'm like, that's bullshit, Like you. 0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:56.400 Matther fuckers had to compile all y'all best ship on 0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:58.800 one album to have smoke for a nigga that made 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:00.640 an album of all his that ship. 1:00:01.840 --> 1:00:03.600 Like, get the funk out of here. I didn't make it, y'all. 1:00:03.680 --> 1:00:05.920 Niggas need the greatest his album to funk with the 1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.840 nine jams I just did and smashing all y'all ship, 1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:10.680 I don't think should be there. 1:00:12.120 --> 1:00:13.520 That's the biggest Eagle song. 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:21.200 California Hotel, California, best of My Love and you kid 1:00:21.280 --> 1:00:22.920 in Town, I said. 1:00:22.760 --> 1:00:24.840 Like crossing, that's only one knew that ship. 1:00:25.600 --> 1:00:27.880 That's like the one sure version. 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.480 I know that's a fact. Ship, that's a fact. 1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:36.080 It was. 1:00:39.360 --> 1:00:41.680 It was, but you know we did a i'l be 1:00:41.800 --> 1:00:46.240 sure episode was episode. 1:00:46.600 --> 1:00:49.600 But the day that I got private times in the 1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:50.480 whole nine. 1:00:54.240 --> 1:00:57.240 Ship Mannie, that was. 1:00:57.280 --> 1:01:01.840 That was on the sixty Versus album. 1:01:05.400 --> 1:01:06.680 I love it. 1:01:06.720 --> 1:01:10.680 And by the way, Chris, uh, what what blood sacrifice 1:01:10.680 --> 1:01:11.640 do I have to make to get you. 1:01:11.840 --> 1:01:14.080 To make it happen? Let's let's make it happen. 1:01:15.560 --> 1:01:16.320 Will make it. 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:20.680 Happen because deep dive into how you possibly don't like 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:26.560 Bad Boys too. We're gonna go deep dive. But by 1:01:26.600 --> 1:01:28.520 the way, when you when you said the Tyler Perry 1:01:28.600 --> 1:01:30.840 rabbit hole, did you watch Fall from Grace? 1:01:30.920 --> 1:01:31.640 Is that what happened? 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:31.840 Now? 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.240 Did I watch it? 1:01:34.320 --> 1:01:37.360 But first of all, is okay. 1:01:37.680 --> 1:01:42.400 How I came up was the debate on Bad Boys 1:01:42.440 --> 1:01:45.560 got so bad? Then I was like, well, I might 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:48.200 as well throw this grenade into the argument. Can you 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:53.280 guys differentiate what what's the When we determined that Bad 1:01:53.320 --> 1:01:55.400 Boys was a classic. 1:01:54.960 --> 1:01:57.680 Film, that but that wasn't a good movie. 1:01:57.920 --> 1:01:59.200 That wasn't a good movie. 1:01:59.240 --> 1:02:04.200 Then I just wanted some suggestions on what do we 1:02:04.280 --> 1:02:07.360 consider like what Til Perry works are that? 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:10.160 And I think I want. 1:02:11.760 --> 1:02:14.200 Yeah, I said good deeds, good deeds for me. 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:15.840 I was like, good deeds was all right? 1:02:17.000 --> 1:02:19.160 And you know what family that praise was. I'm gonna 1:02:19.160 --> 1:02:21.600 say that's Kathy Baits, right, Yep, that's Cathy Baits. 1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:23.880 That was ran together. 1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:27.400 But I'm telling you the Fall from Grace. 1:02:28.280 --> 1:02:30.120 Yea fall Grace was just incoherent. 1:02:30.160 --> 1:02:34.320 It was like, it's the greatest bad ship you've ever seen, 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:36.800 Like it, Oh my god. 1:02:36.680 --> 1:02:39.360 It's amazing you do that. 1:02:39.440 --> 1:02:41.960 But I mean, you got bad wigs, you got you know, 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:44.560 Tyler Perry he filmed as a tire movie in three hours, 1:02:44.600 --> 1:02:45.600 like unbelieved, right. 1:02:46.280 --> 1:02:47.960 Just two hours more than it took him to write 1:02:48.000 --> 1:02:53.160 it like icon and this, You're like, how did you. 1:02:53.160 --> 1:02:55.040 Get he gets her everything? 1:02:55.160 --> 1:02:55.640 I think. 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:03.280 It's so much happening and I mean that I don't 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:03.600 know if. 1:03:03.520 --> 1:03:08.640 You agree with this, uhlo, But they plot twist actually 1:03:08.640 --> 1:03:09.160 went bad. 1:03:09.720 --> 1:03:12.920 It No, the plot was horrible because it was just. 1:03:13.000 --> 1:03:14.560 The only people in this world. 1:03:14.760 --> 1:03:18.000 I don't want to spoil that, but it was I 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:19.280 can't say it without spoiling. 1:03:19.320 --> 1:03:23.760 But it was just the end part bad film. 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:25.960 That's that's a fair question, even know. 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:27.840 And I'm gonna be real, even though I walk into 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:29.800 a Tyler Perry movie, I know what I'm getting. I'm 1:03:29.840 --> 1:03:32.920 not expecting, you know what, even by Tyler Perry senters. 1:03:32.920 --> 1:03:33.920 So this was just bad. 1:03:35.000 --> 1:03:37.280 It was disrespectful to the craft. But you get to 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:37.760 watch it. 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:42.960 Wait, where does where does it like compared to uh, 1:03:43.200 --> 1:03:44.000 what's this series? 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:49.760 Oh, sisters, I've never seen it. 1:03:49.920 --> 1:03:53.440 I heard that I haven't have not. She swears, I 1:03:53.440 --> 1:03:54.040 haven't have not. 1:03:54.840 --> 1:03:57.360 I watched one episode. Have y'all watched that oval off 1:03:57.360 --> 1:03:57.680 and ship? 1:03:58.040 --> 1:03:59.280 I can't, honestly, I can't. 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:03.680 I've ever seen ever put on television ever, and it's 1:04:03.760 --> 1:04:07.680 not close. There's no way that had Notts is as 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:08.200 bad as this. 1:04:08.360 --> 1:04:10.840 There's no way. I refuse to believe that. 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:14.880 I was just like what I mean, it's fuckery, it's coterie, 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:16.760 it's fuckery, it's all of that, like it is. 1:04:17.560 --> 1:04:18.960 I got through an episode that. 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:21.680 Yes, the O. 1:04:24.840 --> 1:04:25.280 It was. 1:04:26.040 --> 1:04:28.400 I know it's back for another season. Y'all saw the think. 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:30.560 I saw the think about how Tyler period to basically 1:04:30.560 --> 1:04:33.440 feel about sixty two movies during COVID. Somehow he got 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:34.520 the COVID test like. 1:04:36.640 --> 1:04:39.560 Yeah, and he built like he built like housing for 1:04:40.240 --> 1:04:42.520 people like to stay on his like a state and 1:04:42.560 --> 1:04:43.240 ship looking. 1:04:43.080 --> 1:04:46.440 Forward in two years. The stories about this ship that's. 1:04:47.640 --> 1:04:50.160 The Tyler period formula. Is he only paying one person 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:50.680 per movie? 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:53.400 Like, it's just it's only he getting one You're only 1:04:53.400 --> 1:04:57.240 paying one person. Okay, shout out to Doragi Hinton because 1:04:57.240 --> 1:04:58.280 he got had some checks. 1:04:59.240 --> 1:05:00.520 But she's gonna be the only what did that. 1:05:00.560 --> 1:05:01.320 Movie gets paid? 1:05:01.680 --> 1:05:07.240 Shot shouting girl shout. 1:05:08.480 --> 1:05:09.160 I think her and. 1:05:09.800 --> 1:05:11.080 It might have been the only two people who got 1:05:11.080 --> 1:05:13.600 paid to every No way, everybody else had to do 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:16.680 that for free. That Oh wait, hold up another one, dude. 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:18.439 Did you see acrobody. 1:05:18.440 --> 1:05:23.400 Man achroon it? Yeah? 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:26.040 I watched it on the plane once and then halfway 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:27.600 through had to take it off because I didn't want 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:33.280 the people behind me judging me. You know, like when 1:05:33.280 --> 1:05:35.640 you're watching a really bad film on the plane and 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:37.840 someone might be behind you judging you. 1:05:38.560 --> 1:05:40.160 That's how I felt about Acrimony. 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:41.520 I'm still trying to figure. 1:05:41.320 --> 1:05:43.360 Out how you got on the yacht. I'm still trying 1:05:43.360 --> 1:05:45.520 to figure this out. I'm like, did she fly? Like? 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:47.360 Oh that okay? 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:50.120 They have like it's just big plot holes. I'm like, dude, 1:05:50.120 --> 1:05:52.080 this is it's just incoherent. 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:54.200 It's like the Long It's a lot of them, so 1:05:54.240 --> 1:05:55.240 I'm just okay. 1:05:55.440 --> 1:05:59.080 Yeah, the n Alon one, Yeah, that was going on affair, 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:00.800 fatal affair. 1:06:01.000 --> 1:06:02.959 Wait, that was that one? 1:06:03.400 --> 1:06:07.640 Yes, that was what that was. But it's in the 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:09.560 same it's in the same neighborhood. 1:06:09.760 --> 1:06:10.000 Yeah. 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:11.720 And if you actually look at Fatal Affair as a 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:16.000 sequel to Juice, it is tracked like but if you 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:16.439 look at. 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:19.840 The Juice, it wasn't. 1:06:19.880 --> 1:06:20.280 It wasn't. 1:06:20.680 --> 1:06:21.160 It wasn't. 1:06:21.120 --> 1:06:22.680 It wasn't, but he is. 1:06:23.160 --> 1:06:27.000 You look at it as a you with me with 1:06:26.600 --> 1:06:29.720 you with me with the vision. 1:06:30.280 --> 1:06:33.480 No, you gotta watch it like it's it's we in college, 1:06:33.480 --> 1:06:35.160 we used to have bad Black movie nights, so we 1:06:35.280 --> 1:06:38.880 saw all the master piece movies like because I. 1:06:38.880 --> 1:06:42.000 Want something about it the other night after the again, 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:43.760 because we had it on tape, like me and my 1:06:43.800 --> 1:06:44.480 boy we had it. 1:06:44.680 --> 1:06:47.880 We had the vhs, like in the dorm watching that ship. 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:51.320 Now twenty plus years later. Oh man, it's a fucking masterpiece. 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:53.840 Okay, yeah, that's a masterpiece of the Bad Boys. 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:59.120 Ain't exactly and I stand on it, right, but. 1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:02.320 It is on. 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:07.960 The you know what's weird? All right? 1:07:08.000 --> 1:07:12.840 So I have these conversations with and she swears up 1:07:12.880 --> 1:07:17.400 and down that Black Night with Martin Lawrence is a masterpiece. 1:07:17.480 --> 1:07:23.560 She lion, I gotta hear, we gotta get him on 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:23.880 the show. 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:24.240 She got it. 1:07:24.280 --> 1:07:25.720 She got to stand on that. 1:07:26.280 --> 1:07:29.800 She even talk to me unless I watch it completely. 1:07:30.640 --> 1:07:31.400 Have you watched it? 1:07:32.800 --> 1:07:35.240 A look on his face. 1:07:38.600 --> 1:07:41.880 Like fadal Affair, y'all gotta watch fal Affair that moving night. 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:48.760 She don't with the. 1:07:48.680 --> 1:07:54.560 Better she dude, she no mans, She'll kill me. 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:57.520 Damn. 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:01.760 I can't bring no bulls into the table. What I 1:08:01.760 --> 1:08:03.000 can't bring any bullshit to. 1:08:03.000 --> 1:08:07.040 The table, not fun bullshit Like that's like fedal Fairs 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:07.920 is fun bullshit. 1:08:08.400 --> 1:08:12.080 Yeah she can, like if it's not bettering in her life. 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:16.679 She's like, oh man, yeah, I can't. 1:08:17.200 --> 1:08:18.400 That's what you know. 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:24.200 That for the rest of us back at Niggavilleia, if 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:27.120 you ever want to know the I mean, you want 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.880 to talk about the Pandora's the Pandora's Box of hood 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:35.439 black Ship. Amazon Prime is the fucking mother low no 1:08:36.040 --> 1:08:39.479 nigga Amazon Prime They black no, no, no, no, no, no, 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:44.599 you don't understand. Amazon Prime make Netflix look like HBO 1:08:45.400 --> 1:08:49.599 with the Black Black you don't understand Nigga Amazon Prime. 1:08:49.920 --> 1:08:54.639 It's a whole subgenre of like hood. There's a Cuckoo 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:56.519 Cow documentary on Amazon Prime. 1:08:57.000 --> 1:09:01.439 What exact remember and Cuckoo Cow? Why does sound faigiar 1:09:01.479 --> 1:09:01.600 to me? 1:09:01.640 --> 1:09:04.919 Because he had that once on my projects? In my project, 1:09:05.920 --> 1:09:09.080 he has a documentary narrated. 1:09:08.720 --> 1:09:11.679 By Cuckoo Caw and he hit his own narration. 1:09:12.560 --> 1:09:15.439 I'm in, I'm in no more. 1:09:17.280 --> 1:09:22.439 Cock cow Yo. I'm stopping this episode right now. It's 1:09:22.439 --> 1:09:25.280 like a watch it. Yes, Jamiel, we thank you very 1:09:25.360 --> 1:09:29.559 much for you on this episode. We're gonna watch Cuckoo 1:09:29.560 --> 1:09:33.439 Cow right now when we have a fun a little 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:37.439 sugar Steve unpaid bill. Yeah, Jamil, We thank you so 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:38.599 much for being on the show. 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:45.519 Zea we'st Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. 1:09:48.640 --> 1:09:51.920 For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, 1:09:52.120 --> 1:09:55.200 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.