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Speaker 2: The Worlds of Vigeon podcast Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. So

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Speaker 2: we should think if we get to him and some

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Speaker 2: anecdotes that you know happened when we were here, like hey,

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Speaker 2: you know you remember this or that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't necessarily need to go on that rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: Did you ever have any like like fun interactions with him?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a lot of fine terms. It was

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Speaker 3: always the butt of his jokes. It wasn't like he

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Speaker 3: picked on me. He picked on everybody, including built here.

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Speaker 2: It comes. Okay, bring him in, don't be nervous, let's go.

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Speaker 5: Let's go.

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Speaker 3: You've done before.

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Speaker 6: Retirement.

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Speaker 3: I've been billing you as the professional ballbuster, and of

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Speaker 3: course you come in shooting.

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Speaker 2: So my first question to you is what gets served

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Speaker 2: at lunch to the new head coach of.

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Speaker 7: The knowing the Patriots chicken salad?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we had our first sit down with

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Speaker 2: Mike Rabel. I hope it's not our last.

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Speaker 3: I say, probably the last. Ye Fred and I were

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Speaker 3: trying to explain to before the press conference what his Mike.

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Speaker 2: Rabel is like.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: No, he came right in, firing rockets right off the bat,

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Speaker 2: making fun of us.

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Speaker 3: That's a professional ball buster. Yeah, Shady Acres Retirement Home.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at j A Let's Stadium, day two of the Mike

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Speaker 2: Vrabel regime.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of mileage out of that Shady

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Speaker 3: Acres Retirement home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That that got a lot of traffic yesterday.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good stuff.

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Speaker 8: In the butt of the joke, we're welcome out.

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Speaker 2: I mean we we we sold him as a ball buster,

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Speaker 2: and the first thing he did is busted our balls.

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Speaker 3: And I really liked and we we clipped off the

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Speaker 3: you know, recommendation of power. Yeah, and I thought that

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Speaker 3: a lot of people people don't some people people don't

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Speaker 2: They don't think that you were genuine. They can't believe

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Speaker 2: like you didn't mention mesh.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's that's not a run play. That's also

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Speaker 2: That's what I was hoping for. I wanted good will hunting.

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Speaker 5: I was like, you know what, I'm going to stick

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Speaker 3: I thought you hindled it really well. I have to

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Speaker 5: That, that's that's why it means a lot coming down.

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Speaker 3: Did you see someone's actually Mike Rabel said they're bringing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned yesterday. Maybe I had known it and

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Speaker 2: the coordinator search has started. I'm guessing they're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: I didn't get the impression it was going to be

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Speaker 2: No, No, yeah, that's it. Nobody has somebody worn out

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Speaker 5: Very nice to me today, Paul, Well, I mean it

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Speaker 3: You did it right, I mean I would say, Mike

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Speaker 5: I pointed Anna, like he's he's he's working something up.

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Speaker 8: I'm going I'm still going to at the defensive siety.

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Speaker 2: He's grinding guys defense. But I mean, I will say everything.

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Speaker 8: Everyone's focused on the offense, and you guys know me,

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Speaker 8: I've just been jumping into Tennessee and seeing, you know,

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Speaker 8: with what their philosophies are. And I just, yeah, I wonder,

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Speaker 8: I wonder what he's you know, gonna do. Certainly a

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Speaker 2: So I like what he said on THEEI today the

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Speaker 2: going to be grounded practice. Our best player was Derrick Henry.

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Speaker 2: What else are we gonna do? Yeah, that's perfect, That's

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Speaker 2: exactly the answer I'm looking for. Draft another J. Brown like,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you hear that sort of thing from an

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Speaker 5: offensive perspective, it just screams Josh McDaniels to me, like

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Speaker 5: if we're good at this, we'll do this. If we're

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Speaker 5: these guys that come up, they're they're one system guys,

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Speaker 5: And I always felt like McDaniels, it was really good

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Speaker 5: You know, if you can't stop it, we're just gonna

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Speaker 2: So would you say that? And I'm gonna be careful

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Speaker 2: what I say here. That compared to Tom Brady, it's

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Speaker 2: Drake May like you can do more things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean there's I think there's a lot

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Speaker 2: So is it to me like whatever the playbook was

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Speaker 2: those days. I think a good a good coordinator, a

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Speaker 2: he has and and start there.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, well you think of Josh looking at what Drake

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Speaker 8: I mean, you've got a kid who's got everything on

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Speaker 8: You know, you've had some time to reflect. Now we

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Speaker 8: talked about, you know, him making the rounds about college.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm sure there are some, you know, new

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Speaker 8: things that he wants to do. The famous story of

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Speaker 8: bn O seven, how we you know, took things to

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Speaker 8: a different level when they got Moss and all those receivers.

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Speaker 8: But I think Josh has grown on me a little

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Speaker 8: bit more. Not that I was ever off at Josh.

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Speaker 8: I was just kind of like, I love Josh, that'd

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Speaker 8: I just a little bit of concern with are we

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Speaker 2: But the point is it can't hurt to have that

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Speaker 8: And I just I don't I don't see the need

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Speaker 3: that they have a tremendous amount of skill around Herbert.

437
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Speaker 3: You know that said you know, I know you want

438
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Speaker 3: to talk about the weekends games too, as.

439
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Speaker 2: We want to get into that as you move along.

440
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Speaker 3: Herbert just flat out did not play well in that game.

441
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Speaker 3: After a great start, he went, he went in the tank.

442
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Speaker 8: What about the what about the Ravens, what they've kind

443
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Speaker 8: of done with you know, Monkin and Greg Roman and

444
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Speaker 8: how they've kind of adjusted their offense on the floor.

445
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Speaker 2: That's that's over the last decade. That's the biggest offensive

446
00:20:28,994 --> 00:20:32,393
Speaker 2: story in the league. How they took a risk on

447
00:20:32,434 --> 00:20:34,673
Speaker 2: a guy who a lot of people said isn't suited

448
00:20:34,714 --> 00:20:39,833
Speaker 2: for the NFL, transformed their offense completely, completely overhauled it

449
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Speaker 2: and it worked. And it took to me, it took

450
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Speaker 2: a lot of courage to do that. In today's NFL.

451
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Speaker 5: They they identified, you know with Roman. He obviously did

452
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Speaker 5: it with Kaepernick in San Francisco, and he did it

453
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Speaker 5: at the college level. So he was running that style

454
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Speaker 5: of offense where they're running quarterback a decade ago. So

455
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Speaker 5: they brought in a guy that specialized specifically in that

456
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Speaker 5: sort of thing. And then eventually with Monkin, like Lamar

457
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Speaker 5: outgrew it, like he became such a better passer than

458
00:21:09,874 --> 00:21:12,754
Speaker 5: maybe anybody had anticipated that, they said, Okay, we need

459
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Speaker 5: to put more on his plate in the dropback game

460
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Speaker 5: because right now he's not there's not enough that we

461
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Speaker 5: can call that will allow him to be you know,

462
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Speaker 5: to be an MVP. So they added all that stuff in,

463
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Speaker 5: but they started with the baseline of what Roman installed,

464
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Speaker 5: right with the design quarterback runs and all that kind

465
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Speaker 5: of stuff. But you know, it's cyclical, like that stuff is.

466
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Speaker 5: It's all wing tea like it's all you know, like

467
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Speaker 5: it was at what like Navy football was doing a

468
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Speaker 5: hundred years ago, and then it just it all cycles

469
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Speaker 5: back in when you have the right talent and the

470
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Speaker 5: right I mean.

471
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that long ago where NFL you know, experts

472
00:21:49,634 --> 00:21:52,474
Speaker 2: were like, you know, running quarterback, you know that's the

473
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Speaker 2: last thing you want. You want a guy in a pocket.

474
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Speaker 3: You know, you're absolutely right, and that the fact that

475
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Speaker 3: it worked has paved the weight. I mean, like Jayden Daniels,

476
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe wouldn't have gotten the opportunity to be

477
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Speaker 3: the second overall pick. Yeah, if it wasn't for the

478
00:22:07,553 --> 00:22:08,913
Speaker 3: success that Lamar Jackson.

479
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Speaker 5: Now you almost need it, like you need your quarterback

480
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Speaker 5: to have not necessarily be as good of a runner

481
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Speaker 5: as Lamar, but if you have a stationary quarterback, you're

482
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Speaker 5: at a huge disadvantage. Now, like everybody can move a

483
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Speaker 5: little bit.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, defenses are faster, they figure out how to draw pressure.

485
00:22:25,833 --> 00:22:27,793
Speaker 2: They take more risks than I think they used to.

486
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's the game has changed for time. You

487
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Speaker 2: mentioned it cyclical. I mean twenty years from now, you know,

488
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Speaker 2: when I'm you know, long gone, They they could be

489
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Speaker 2: it could be back to uh, you know, pocket passing,

490
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Speaker 2: but who knows.

491
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Speaker 5: It's just really cool to me, like that part of

492
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Speaker 5: it because a lot of what they're doing with Lamar

493
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Speaker 5: is the veer, and like the vier was. You're running

494
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Speaker 5: the veer in the forties, right, like you know, you're

495
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Speaker 5: talking about you know, triple option like type of stuff,

496
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Speaker 5: and now they're doing that now and everybody's like, whoa,

497
00:23:00,353 --> 00:23:02,593
Speaker 5: this is so new and cool. It's like no, this

498
00:23:02,793 --> 00:23:06,434
Speaker 5: was just all like put in in the back burner.

499
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Speaker 2: But the Greeks were running literally like you know, they.

500
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Speaker 5: They've been running the veer since football was an organized sport,

501
00:23:13,194 --> 00:23:16,434
Speaker 5: you know, and they that's what you know, counter bashes

502
00:23:16,793 --> 00:23:19,393
Speaker 5: veer like, that's that's what they do in Baltimore.

503
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Speaker 2: Get Rabel back in here. We want to talk some ball.

504
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

505
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Speaker 8: I do think those are good examples though, of that

506
00:23:24,394 --> 00:23:26,833
Speaker 8: when you do change offensive coordinators, it doesn't have to

507
00:23:26,874 --> 00:23:29,234
Speaker 8: be a blow up restart, like especially when you have

508
00:23:29,273 --> 00:23:31,954
Speaker 8: a really good quarterback that you'll you know, install enough

509
00:23:31,994 --> 00:23:34,033
Speaker 8: of a baseline that you can build on it and

510
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Speaker 8: you know, take the Lamar Jackson offense to a different level,

511
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Speaker 8: or take the Josh Allen offense to a different level.

512
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Speaker 8: Brian Dable kind of establishes this thing, and you know,

513
00:23:42,793 --> 00:23:45,234
Speaker 8: as you get more experience, you're able to do more things.

514
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Speaker 2: Well, hopefully Vrabel's not just building this level of the coaching,

515
00:23:49,234 --> 00:23:51,954
Speaker 2: but he's building this level. So when this level goes

516
00:23:52,114 --> 00:23:55,393
Speaker 2: there's a natural ascension of people who have been in

517
00:23:55,474 --> 00:24:00,154
Speaker 2: the system know the team and that's what builded So, uh,

518
00:24:00,874 --> 00:24:01,874
Speaker 2: you successfully do.

519
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Speaker 8: You guys have a sense of that though in like

520
00:24:03,593 --> 00:24:05,513
Speaker 8: the early two thousands that we have a lot of

521
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Speaker 8: good young coaches.

522
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Speaker 2: You had no idea you didn't know that, but we did. Yeah,

523
00:24:09,954 --> 00:24:11,393
Speaker 2: like they just didn't. You don't realize, like.

524
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Speaker 8: Head coaches were making coffies with you guys.

525
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Speaker 2: The kids from you know, some mining like school.

526
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Speaker 8: Flow, what is that flow making coffies with you guys Like.

527
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Speaker 3: Well, No and McDaniels. Absolutely, they were just kids. And

528
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Speaker 3: I told you I did a huge story on them

529
00:24:29,394 --> 00:24:32,154
Speaker 3: and no like friends right like they were. They were there.

530
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Speaker 3: But you have no idea if they're good, you know,

531
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Speaker 3: how much talent they have, how much potential that they

532
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Speaker 3: offer until they get thrust into a world.

533
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Speaker 2: And what we didn't know how much of football university

534
00:24:42,914 --> 00:24:45,873
Speaker 2: they were being put through. Like the stuff that they

535
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Speaker 2: were doing we would look at as like really menial things,

536
00:24:49,874 --> 00:24:53,194
Speaker 2: but by doing that, they were learning, they were absorbing

537
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Speaker 2: they you know, they were coming up through the ranks.

538
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Speaker 2: And Bill liked that because that's how he did it,

539
00:24:58,593 --> 00:25:01,633
Speaker 2: you know, you know, sleeping on the floor and in

540
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Speaker 2: Baltimore for twenty five dollars a week and you know,

541
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Speaker 2: learning all that story go into that a little bit,

542
00:25:09,914 --> 00:25:13,273
Speaker 2: learning all the different positions and you know, special teams,

543
00:25:13,313 --> 00:25:16,913
Speaker 2: and that's how he liked his coaches learning. Now, you

544
00:25:16,954 --> 00:25:19,873
Speaker 2: don't have the time anymore. You know, it's just not

545
00:25:20,033 --> 00:25:22,994
Speaker 2: enough time to to bring up a coach the way

546
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Speaker 2: he was brought up.

547
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Speaker 8: It's gonna be hard to with more techology. And you know, well,

548
00:25:27,033 --> 00:25:28,673
Speaker 8: I want you to write it out by hand and

549
00:25:28,674 --> 00:25:31,234
Speaker 8: be like, but Bill like this program, right, you know,

550
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Speaker 8: But did you guys sense though that some of those guys,

551
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Speaker 8: even though you didn't know their potential, that they were

552
00:25:35,754 --> 00:25:38,634
Speaker 8: in hell and that they were always here and oh yeah,

553
00:25:38,674 --> 00:25:40,913
Speaker 8: you know, oh yeah, into the.

554
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Speaker 3: To you a point about writing that stuff out. That's

555
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Speaker 3: what it was stable specifically it was Josh and it

556
00:25:46,073 --> 00:25:48,114
Speaker 3: was a story on Josh and Brian. But I talked

557
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Speaker 3: more to Brian about that. That's what they were doing

558
00:25:50,914 --> 00:25:54,433
Speaker 3: patting place. Yeah, and like they had and that's the

559
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Speaker 3: way Bill wanted it.

560
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Also write out your calls, like your core calls,

561
00:25:59,754 --> 00:26:03,954
Speaker 5: because coaches think that you remember remember it better by

562
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Speaker 5: writing it.

563
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Speaker 2: I know I did when I was studying for a test.

564
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Speaker 2: If you wrote it, you know, if you wrote your

565
00:26:08,754 --> 00:26:11,113
Speaker 2: cheat sheet, you ended up kind of learning by creating

566
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Speaker 2: the cheat sheet.

567
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Speaker 3: It's absolutely right.

568
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Speaker 2: Flash cards.

569
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Speaker 3: I tell you how many times I did that. I

570
00:26:15,313 --> 00:26:17,314
Speaker 3: was like, if I had just and then I would

571
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Speaker 3: go oh, I was just study in the first place.

572
00:26:19,513 --> 00:26:21,914
Speaker 3: I stress out. But that's what I would do. I

573
00:26:21,954 --> 00:26:24,313
Speaker 3: would write these little sheets out and I'd be like, oh,

574
00:26:24,553 --> 00:26:26,073
Speaker 3: now I know it. I don't really need it. I

575
00:26:26,114 --> 00:26:27,313
Speaker 3: just wrote it out. Now I know it.

576
00:26:27,474 --> 00:26:30,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a big deal made it last night because

577
00:26:30,234 --> 00:26:33,394
Speaker 5: Sean mcvay's play sheet was on the screen for a second.

578
00:26:33,474 --> 00:26:36,553
Speaker 5: Everybody screen grabs it and he writes out by hand

579
00:26:37,073 --> 00:26:40,073
Speaker 5: his his script, his opening script. He writes it by hand,

580
00:26:40,474 --> 00:26:42,714
Speaker 5: and all the coaches were like, oh, that's what that's

581
00:26:42,754 --> 00:26:44,874
Speaker 5: why he's the best. Like, that's what you gotta do.

582
00:26:44,954 --> 00:26:46,434
Speaker 5: You gotta write it out by hand.

583
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Speaker 2: And you know, but I was actually thinking of, uh,

584
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Speaker 2: you know, because you talk about patting plays, and I

585
00:26:53,634 --> 00:26:57,113
Speaker 2: was thinking that there's there's going to be an AI

586
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:01,513
Speaker 2: tool that you know, by the number of the jersey

587
00:27:01,634 --> 00:27:04,793
Speaker 2: or whatever. You just sick this tool on every play

588
00:27:04,914 --> 00:27:08,194
Speaker 2: and it pads out every play for you, like in

589
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Speaker 2: in seconds.

590
00:27:09,474 --> 00:27:09,714
Speaker 8: Yeah.

591
00:27:09,833 --> 00:27:10,794
Speaker 2: You know. It's like.

592
00:27:13,553 --> 00:27:18,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so you mu on the road, you must

593
00:27:18,194 --> 00:27:22,474
Speaker 3: sit next to Evan, right, No, no, no, Evan does

594
00:27:22,513 --> 00:27:24,793
Speaker 3: this on like he goes right onto the next gen.

595
00:27:25,674 --> 00:27:28,393
Speaker 2: Like when it was doing it during the game. This

596
00:27:28,434 --> 00:27:30,513
Speaker 2: is what I'm saying. Think, yeah, next to the game,

597
00:27:30,513 --> 00:27:31,994
Speaker 2: I see him with his little thing.

598
00:27:32,273 --> 00:27:34,954
Speaker 3: Like so like and it's not every play, but what

599
00:27:34,994 --> 00:27:35,674
Speaker 3: are you doing over there?

600
00:27:36,754 --> 00:27:39,154
Speaker 5: He's got the screen a little leave, a little thing.

601
00:27:40,833 --> 00:27:42,674
Speaker 2: He's got this green football fel I see all these

602
00:27:42,714 --> 00:27:43,553
Speaker 2: dots moving around.

603
00:27:44,353 --> 00:27:47,154
Speaker 3: When when there's a big play or something happens, I know,

604
00:27:47,434 --> 00:27:49,833
Speaker 3: he goes back and he's like, you know, man like this,

605
00:27:50,114 --> 00:27:53,194
Speaker 3: like like the fourth down sack against the Chargers, Oh Drake,

606
00:27:53,273 --> 00:27:56,234
Speaker 3: you know, sort of escaped the pocket. He had Stevenson

607
00:27:56,313 --> 00:27:58,313
Speaker 3: right up here, you know, like he goes back and

608
00:27:58,353 --> 00:28:01,954
Speaker 3: he looks right away he does next gen us just watch.

609
00:28:01,793 --> 00:28:07,273
Speaker 8: That's great and steal Stevens usually usually did he did

610
00:28:07,394 --> 00:28:08,393
Speaker 8: third downs usually.

611
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Speaker 5: I look at every third down. I'm what's going on

612
00:28:12,234 --> 00:28:14,554
Speaker 5: here because that's really where the scheme stuff is happening, right,

613
00:28:14,593 --> 00:28:16,673
Speaker 5: It's not not so much on the early downs. So

614
00:28:17,194 --> 00:28:20,033
Speaker 5: it's a it's a great tool. What opportunity for the Patriots.

615
00:28:20,073 --> 00:28:23,073
Speaker 5: I'm just looking at the upcoming opponents. The Patriots have

616
00:28:23,073 --> 00:28:25,874
Speaker 5: an opportunity to have a really good home year next year.

617
00:28:25,874 --> 00:28:27,633
Speaker 5: They do not have a lot of tough home games,

618
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Speaker 5: Playoff Giants.

619
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Speaker 3: Raiders, you know, Brown Panthers, the teams that they should

620
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Speaker 3: be able to beat at home. They're not telling you

621
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Speaker 3: they're gonna win them all. That's what's going to happen here,

622
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Speaker 3: is they're gonna you know that they're five and oh

623
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Speaker 3: in those games. No, they'll go three and two in

624
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Speaker 3: those games, in my opinion of two and three in

625
00:28:46,354 --> 00:28:49,594
Speaker 3: those games. But like they've won like three home games

626
00:28:49,594 --> 00:28:52,274
Speaker 3: in the last two years combine, there's an opportunity to

627
00:28:52,274 --> 00:28:53,354
Speaker 3: win three or four home games.

628
00:28:53,354 --> 00:28:55,474
Speaker 2: Well, they have. They have a last place record. I know,

629
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Speaker 2: that's how you got to last place.

630
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Speaker 3: That's how you got They've had a last place record,

631
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Speaker 3: They've they've had the last play schedule now a couple

632
00:29:02,274 --> 00:29:02,594
Speaker 3: of years.

633
00:29:02,914 --> 00:29:05,514
Speaker 5: But you're going to have bad teams on Patriots to

634
00:29:05,514 --> 00:29:07,314
Speaker 5: go undefeated at I think.

635
00:29:07,274 --> 00:29:10,153
Speaker 2: Rabel knows that. And he's talking about taking advantage of

636
00:29:10,154 --> 00:29:13,274
Speaker 2: bad football. Yeah, they want to get at least.

637
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Speaker 8: That good I mean, I love that. That's just the

638
00:29:15,434 --> 00:29:17,674
Speaker 8: perfect to me, like a perfect first step of like

639
00:29:17,954 --> 00:29:19,393
Speaker 8: and he said, he's like, I don't even know if

640
00:29:19,394 --> 00:29:21,554
Speaker 8: we're good enough yet to take advantage of that.

641
00:29:21,794 --> 00:29:23,834
Speaker 3: We need to get to the level where we're good

642
00:29:23,914 --> 00:29:26,154
Speaker 3: enough to take advantage of bad this team last year

643
00:29:26,554 --> 00:29:30,193
Speaker 3: that they weren't good enough to take advantage because there

644
00:29:30,194 --> 00:29:33,873
Speaker 3: were plenty of teams were played and it didn't matter.

645
00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:38,034
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, eight five to five pass five hundred

646
00:29:38,074 --> 00:29:41,714
Speaker 2: is the ace ticket hotline podcasts at Patriots dot com

647
00:29:41,754 --> 00:29:45,274
Speaker 2: as the email address. Anything else we need to talk about,

648
00:29:45,474 --> 00:29:48,114
Speaker 2: we we are going to talk about the Yeah, mild

649
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Speaker 2: card weekend.

650
00:29:49,434 --> 00:29:52,714
Speaker 5: Uh little.

651
00:29:53,434 --> 00:29:55,274
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of disappointing.

652
00:29:55,634 --> 00:29:58,913
Speaker 3: As expected though, I mean, I just think this. I

653
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Speaker 3: know a lot of people were tweeting the college stuff

654
00:30:01,834 --> 00:30:04,714
Speaker 3: over the weekend. It's kind of true. There's a big

655
00:30:04,794 --> 00:30:08,754
Speaker 3: gap even among the good teams. There's a difference between

656
00:30:09,634 --> 00:30:12,194
Speaker 3: Kansas City, Baltimore, and Buffalo and the rest of the

657
00:30:12,234 --> 00:30:16,794
Speaker 3: AFC playoff teams. Same in the NFC with Detroit and Philly. Yep,

658
00:30:16,914 --> 00:30:17,914
Speaker 3: I would say.

659
00:30:18,634 --> 00:30:21,754
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not just Detroit right now. I don't trust

660
00:30:21,754 --> 00:30:22,834
Speaker 2: Phillies offense.

661
00:30:22,514 --> 00:30:27,754
Speaker 3: But Philly's good. Philly has had. They won fourteen games,

662
00:30:27,754 --> 00:30:29,394
Speaker 3: and they have a lot of talent on both sides

663
00:30:29,434 --> 00:30:31,754
Speaker 3: of the ball. Their defense was flying around in that game.

664
00:30:32,114 --> 00:30:34,594
Speaker 3: I know that their task was made a lot easier,

665
00:30:34,634 --> 00:30:37,274
Speaker 3: but just the amount of injuries that the Packers had

666
00:30:37,354 --> 00:30:42,834
Speaker 3: especially receiver. Yeah, Kobe Dean, Yeah, Kobe Dean's hope for

667
00:30:42,874 --> 00:30:45,074
Speaker 3: the year. He's one of those guys he was playing

668
00:30:45,114 --> 00:30:46,194
Speaker 3: well oh really.

669
00:30:47,674 --> 00:30:50,314
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said he could miss the beginning of next season.

670
00:30:50,354 --> 00:30:53,834
Speaker 5: Well it's a cold, strange injury, he went host. It

671
00:30:53,834 --> 00:30:55,554
Speaker 5: could be all, it could be all in next year.

672
00:30:56,194 --> 00:30:59,074
Speaker 2: All Right's well, speaking of coal, we have a coal

673
00:30:59,114 --> 00:31:01,754
Speaker 2: from Minnesota on the TPX outline. What's up Coal?

674
00:31:03,394 --> 00:31:08,954
Speaker 9: Hey, how's it going guys? Okay, So, yeah, I'm pretty

675
00:31:08,994 --> 00:31:15,153
Speaker 9: excited about the news with Brabel Hockeel. Slightly bad for

676
00:31:16,394 --> 00:31:20,113
Speaker 9: Grod just because he didn't get the whole experience, But

677
00:31:20,234 --> 00:31:24,274
Speaker 9: I I am not exactly surprised, just because it seems

678
00:31:24,314 --> 00:31:26,514
Speaker 9: like that's how Robert have to operate, you know, he

679
00:31:26,594 --> 00:31:28,393
Speaker 9: pulls the trigger when he feels like he needs to.

680
00:31:30,634 --> 00:31:34,474
Speaker 9: Is there any talk or anything about like some of

681
00:31:34,474 --> 00:31:38,274
Speaker 9: the other staff members on the team, like as far

682
00:31:38,314 --> 00:31:40,634
Speaker 9: as like wide receiver coach or some of these other

683
00:31:40,674 --> 00:31:45,913
Speaker 9: guys to help improve some of these other position groups

684
00:31:45,914 --> 00:31:48,994
Speaker 9: that we have, Like what's up with Wes Welker. Is

685
00:31:49,034 --> 00:31:50,594
Speaker 9: he's still with Miami?

686
00:31:50,754 --> 00:31:54,914
Speaker 2: Is there released? Yeah, he's out there.

687
00:31:55,634 --> 00:31:57,954
Speaker 9: That is that an option for us? Is that something

688
00:31:57,954 --> 00:31:58,673
Speaker 9: we can entertain.

689
00:31:58,874 --> 00:32:00,633
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, everything's on the table.

690
00:32:00,754 --> 00:32:01,394
Speaker 3: Is he any good?

691
00:32:01,554 --> 00:32:03,234
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why was he released?

692
00:32:03,994 --> 00:32:06,714
Speaker 5: You know, it's a weird one. He uh, because he

693
00:32:06,794 --> 00:32:09,394
Speaker 5: was getting promoted in my he got promoted to past

694
00:32:09,394 --> 00:32:12,274
Speaker 5: game specialists and like seemed like he was on a

695
00:32:12,314 --> 00:32:14,873
Speaker 5: pretty good track there in Miami and then all this

696
00:32:15,114 --> 00:32:16,514
Speaker 5: this drama with Tyreek.

697
00:32:16,234 --> 00:32:17,874
Speaker 7: Kill his past.

698
00:32:18,234 --> 00:32:23,034
Speaker 5: I wonder if Kill was like, he's yeah, maybe I'm

699
00:32:23,074 --> 00:32:24,394
Speaker 5: just just guessing.

700
00:32:25,354 --> 00:32:28,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, coach Killer, I like that.

701
00:32:28,154 --> 00:32:31,674
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, Welker's out there, and like you said, Cole,

702
00:32:31,754 --> 00:32:36,234
Speaker 2: there's opportunity to upgrade in every facet of the organization

703
00:32:36,394 --> 00:32:39,193
Speaker 2: right now. So my seat's hot, I can tell you

704
00:32:39,234 --> 00:32:39,674
Speaker 2: that much.

705
00:32:40,634 --> 00:32:45,074
Speaker 3: But thanks for the your seats hot. Then ahead, excuse me.

706
00:32:46,074 --> 00:32:48,034
Speaker 9: Well, I know we had Troy Brown forever and I

707
00:32:48,074 --> 00:32:50,034
Speaker 9: just know that we've been talking about, you know, obviously

708
00:32:50,074 --> 00:32:51,474
Speaker 9: there's a lot to talk about. You know, how do

709
00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:54,034
Speaker 9: we improve in the draft, how do we you know,

710
00:32:54,074 --> 00:32:57,034
Speaker 9: how do we evaluate this talent that's coming in. Obviously

711
00:32:57,434 --> 00:33:01,274
Speaker 9: these last four years, five years, we've been missing left

712
00:33:01,274 --> 00:33:03,274
Speaker 9: and right, and I mean that's the nature of the NFL.

713
00:33:03,354 --> 00:33:05,234
Speaker 9: But there's got to be something we can do to

714
00:33:05,834 --> 00:33:07,434
Speaker 9: get some kind of people in here, you know, even

715
00:33:07,474 --> 00:33:09,594
Speaker 9: a guy like Wes Falker who knows how to do it,

716
00:33:09,714 --> 00:33:13,234
Speaker 9: knows how to operate at a high level. I don't

717
00:33:13,234 --> 00:33:15,874
Speaker 9: know that. There's some talk like with Troy Brown, how

718
00:33:15,954 --> 00:33:17,554
Speaker 9: maybe he was just one of those guys who was

719
00:33:17,634 --> 00:33:21,754
Speaker 9: just mover talented, so when it comes to teaching or training,

720
00:33:21,754 --> 00:33:23,034
Speaker 9: it might be a little harder.

721
00:33:22,794 --> 00:33:23,474
Speaker 2: For him, right.

722
00:33:24,234 --> 00:33:28,314
Speaker 3: Guys with the high wouldn't fall into that GEMI Toroy

723
00:33:28,314 --> 00:33:30,794
Speaker 3: Brown was an overachieving player, but he had not a

724
00:33:30,954 --> 00:33:33,154
Speaker 3: not an uber talented player. And by the way, Tory

725
00:33:33,194 --> 00:33:35,274
Speaker 3: Brown was not on the coaching staff last year, so

726
00:33:35,554 --> 00:33:37,834
Speaker 3: he was but not in that role now.

727
00:33:37,874 --> 00:33:38,994
Speaker 2: He wasn't a position coach.

728
00:33:39,034 --> 00:33:40,794
Speaker 3: Tyler Hughes was the wide receivers coach.

729
00:33:41,234 --> 00:33:41,874
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call.

730
00:33:43,594 --> 00:33:46,794
Speaker 3: I just like, I don't have any idea if Wes well,

731
00:33:46,874 --> 00:33:49,634
Speaker 3: you know, like I don't know either, I have no idea.

732
00:33:49,394 --> 00:33:51,754
Speaker 5: He had a good reputation, that's all I can tell you.

733
00:33:51,874 --> 00:33:55,234
Speaker 5: I mean in San Francisco and then McDaniel specifically took

734
00:33:55,314 --> 00:33:58,674
Speaker 5: him with him from San Francisco to Miami. So I

735
00:33:58,994 --> 00:34:01,354
Speaker 5: don't know what happened in the end. I'm not down there,

736
00:34:01,394 --> 00:34:04,194
Speaker 5: but yeah, he was on a track, and he's on

737
00:34:04,314 --> 00:34:07,034
Speaker 5: all these lists of up and coming coaches, and you know,

738
00:34:07,074 --> 00:34:10,194
Speaker 5: Tom Pellisserro releases that list every year and his name

739
00:34:10,274 --> 00:34:11,314
Speaker 5: was on it, Like so.

740
00:34:11,594 --> 00:34:12,754
Speaker 3: I hate those lists.

741
00:34:13,394 --> 00:34:20,274
Speaker 2: Well, how do they know? They Oh, that's the game,

742
00:34:20,434 --> 00:34:21,114
Speaker 2: That's how they know.

743
00:34:21,394 --> 00:34:23,594
Speaker 8: I do wonder though, if there's some come down the

744
00:34:23,634 --> 00:34:24,993
Speaker 8: pike in the next couple of weeks of a little

745
00:34:25,034 --> 00:34:27,594
Speaker 8: bit of a Rabel shake up and some kind of

746
00:34:27,634 --> 00:34:29,954
Speaker 8: move probably not player yet, but some kind of coaching

747
00:34:29,994 --> 00:34:33,234
Speaker 8: shake up where there's some departures and it starts to

748
00:34:33,234 --> 00:34:36,073
Speaker 8: take shape that he took inventory of what was going

749
00:34:36,114 --> 00:34:38,754
Speaker 8: on here and made some tough decisions and is moving on.

750
00:34:38,953 --> 00:34:41,834
Speaker 3: If he's waiting with these teams that are still involved,

751
00:34:41,953 --> 00:34:44,114
Speaker 3: I think that's why I don't think it's gonna happen overnight.

752
00:34:44,154 --> 00:34:46,114
Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be people that they're gonna target,

753
00:34:46,514 --> 00:34:48,794
Speaker 3: probably people you know, and Nevn't had some of these

754
00:34:48,913 --> 00:34:52,194
Speaker 3: names in his piece on the OC today about you know,

755
00:34:52,234 --> 00:34:54,714
Speaker 3: people that he was with in Houston, and you know

756
00:34:54,994 --> 00:34:58,553
Speaker 3: that he connected at certain times, starting in Houston, ended

757
00:34:58,634 --> 00:35:01,754
Speaker 3: up in Tennessee. They're scattered around the league now, they're

758
00:35:01,754 --> 00:35:04,114
Speaker 3: not all not all of them are household names, but

759
00:35:04,154 --> 00:35:06,033
Speaker 3: I would imagine that some of those guys are going

760
00:35:06,114 --> 00:35:06,754
Speaker 3: to be coming here.

761
00:35:06,834 --> 00:35:09,633
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, you have to wait until all

762
00:35:09,674 --> 00:35:12,873
Speaker 2: the teams are done. The real rush now is personnel.

763
00:35:13,114 --> 00:35:15,513
Speaker 2: That's where you're you're you know, you need to get

764
00:35:15,554 --> 00:35:17,754
Speaker 2: ready because you've got the All Star Games coming up,

765
00:35:17,794 --> 00:35:20,433
Speaker 2: the combines coming up, so you need to get ready

766
00:35:20,433 --> 00:35:22,553
Speaker 2: for that. Players aren't going to be back in the

767
00:35:22,594 --> 00:35:26,874
Speaker 2: building until you know, April March, so your position, coaches,

768
00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:29,354
Speaker 2: you have a little bit of time to get that

769
00:35:29,433 --> 00:35:30,154
Speaker 2: staff ready.

770
00:35:30,754 --> 00:35:32,433
Speaker 8: One or two on the defensive side of the ball,

771
00:35:32,473 --> 00:35:35,274
Speaker 8: where last year there was so much continuity that you know,

772
00:35:35,314 --> 00:35:37,754
Speaker 8: maybe some members of the defense didn't quite feel the

773
00:35:37,873 --> 00:35:40,473
Speaker 8: change and feel the need to, you know, re earn

774
00:35:40,514 --> 00:35:43,193
Speaker 8: their jobs per se. You know, like some guys were like, well,

775
00:35:43,234 --> 00:35:44,873
Speaker 8: you know, I know, I'm here, I'm established kind of

776
00:35:44,873 --> 00:35:47,194
Speaker 8: the same coaching staff we got. Covington's gonna be the

777
00:35:47,234 --> 00:35:49,754
Speaker 8: coordinator now, you know. But now where you're looking at

778
00:35:49,754 --> 00:35:51,993
Speaker 8: probably a good chunk of at least variable being at

779
00:35:51,994 --> 00:35:53,873
Speaker 8: the top of it. You know, these guys are gonna

780
00:35:53,873 --> 00:35:55,593
Speaker 8: have to earn their jobs again. And I just, I mean, I.

781
00:35:55,514 --> 00:35:57,953
Speaker 2: Think we're all one more entitlement now, you know.

782
00:35:57,913 --> 00:35:59,834
Speaker 8: And looking and going back and looking at the film

783
00:35:59,873 --> 00:36:02,834
Speaker 8: from last year and saying, this guy, this guy wasn't

784
00:36:02,873 --> 00:36:04,754
Speaker 8: playing like this. You know, I don't like how this guy,

785
00:36:04,873 --> 00:36:06,553
Speaker 8: you know, like there's gonna be some things that he said.

786
00:36:06,594 --> 00:36:08,073
Speaker 8: I mean, I think you said yesterday, Paul, what.

787
00:36:07,994 --> 00:36:10,194
Speaker 3: Are you doing with Mike? You grinding him away, grinding

788
00:36:10,274 --> 00:36:10,993
Speaker 3: the tape over there.

789
00:36:11,194 --> 00:36:13,194
Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more with them, Like that's what I

790
00:36:13,194 --> 00:36:15,553
Speaker 5: hope that he's here to do. Yeah, you know, we

791
00:36:15,594 --> 00:36:18,953
Speaker 5: watched the film and like, this guy, we don't want

792
00:36:19,074 --> 00:36:19,994
Speaker 5: those types of people.

793
00:36:19,994 --> 00:36:20,794
Speaker 7: And I'm not putting the.

794
00:36:20,714 --> 00:36:23,394
Speaker 5: Finger at anybody in particular, but like, we don't want

795
00:36:23,473 --> 00:36:25,473
Speaker 5: those types of people on this team. Like all this

796
00:36:25,514 --> 00:36:28,593
Speaker 5: stuff he talked about yesterday about what he expects out

797
00:36:28,634 --> 00:36:31,634
Speaker 5: of players, You have to then go find players that

798
00:36:31,674 --> 00:36:34,754
Speaker 5: can embody that and that can provide that kind of leadership.

799
00:36:34,754 --> 00:36:36,794
Speaker 5: And if these guys aren't doing it, then.

800
00:36:37,314 --> 00:36:39,114
Speaker 2: I read a headline. I didn't read the story, but

801
00:36:39,154 --> 00:36:40,953
Speaker 2: I read a headline that said no one should be

802
00:36:40,994 --> 00:36:44,434
Speaker 2: happier among the Patriots and Keon White that Mike Rabel

803
00:36:44,473 --> 00:36:45,354
Speaker 2: is now the head coach.

804
00:36:45,433 --> 00:36:48,114
Speaker 3: Do you agree, well, Kevin said that yesterday. Yeah, I

805
00:36:48,114 --> 00:36:49,794
Speaker 3: mean he stole it was.

806
00:36:50,554 --> 00:36:52,714
Speaker 5: This was his message to us a couple of weeks

807
00:36:52,754 --> 00:36:54,994
Speaker 5: ago when he kind of spoke out about the coaching,

808
00:36:55,114 --> 00:36:57,714
Speaker 5: was that he doesn't feel like he was getting hard coaching.

809
00:36:57,714 --> 00:36:59,754
Speaker 5: He didn't feel like he was getting corrected, and he

810
00:36:59,754 --> 00:37:02,194
Speaker 5: felt like he was developing bad habits and it wasn't

811
00:37:02,234 --> 00:37:05,754
Speaker 5: being you know, nipped in the butt and fixed. And

812
00:37:06,594 --> 00:37:09,194
Speaker 5: he's a second year player, you know, last year it

813
00:37:09,274 --> 00:37:11,474
Speaker 5: was second year in the league, so I can't expect

814
00:37:11,554 --> 00:37:13,714
Speaker 5: him to like, you know, be able to have all

815
00:37:13,714 --> 00:37:18,194
Speaker 5: the answers. And I thought that his whatever you want

816
00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:20,953
Speaker 5: to call it, his outspokenness was more a cry for

817
00:37:21,034 --> 00:37:24,073
Speaker 5: help than it was like an outburst, you know, where

818
00:37:24,114 --> 00:37:27,794
Speaker 5: he was like, I feel myself getting worse and I

819
00:37:27,834 --> 00:37:29,794
Speaker 5: don't feel like I'm getting the coaching that I need.

820
00:37:29,834 --> 00:37:32,074
Speaker 5: So that's why people are making the jump and saying

821
00:37:32,114 --> 00:37:34,913
Speaker 5: that he's really gonna like Frable and like this news.

822
00:37:35,034 --> 00:37:37,794
Speaker 3: We were joking around, you know, when that graphic of

823
00:37:37,794 --> 00:37:40,354
Speaker 3: the next the upcoming opponents came up, and you know,

824
00:37:40,433 --> 00:37:42,754
Speaker 3: like Evan was teasing me like, oh, you know, pulse

825
00:37:42,953 --> 00:37:45,674
Speaker 3: saying playoffs or whatever. I actually think it could get

826
00:37:45,714 --> 00:37:51,513
Speaker 3: worse because I think I think he's gonna clear the deck, right.

827
00:37:51,754 --> 00:37:53,354
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna look at a lot of the

828
00:37:53,393 --> 00:37:55,873
Speaker 3: things that Mike and Evan are saying about. You know,

829
00:37:56,034 --> 00:37:58,393
Speaker 3: I see this guy not necessarily doing it, and that

830
00:37:59,034 --> 00:38:00,913
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna figure out what he has to

831
00:38:01,034 --> 00:38:05,073
Speaker 3: keep and everything else is gonna go. Yeah, and he's

832
00:38:05,114 --> 00:38:07,873
Speaker 3: gonna sort of And I'm not trying to tell people, Oh,

833
00:38:07,953 --> 00:38:10,314
Speaker 3: be prepared for year one. It's not year one of

834
00:38:10,354 --> 00:38:12,393
Speaker 3: the rebuild. I know everybody keeps saying last year it

835
00:38:12,433 --> 00:38:14,794
Speaker 3: was year one of a rebuild. It wasn't. But I

836
00:38:14,834 --> 00:38:19,113
Speaker 3: think that he has more of a sort of an

837
00:38:19,154 --> 00:38:21,513
Speaker 3: idea and understanding of what they need to do to

838
00:38:21,514 --> 00:38:24,993
Speaker 3: get where he wants to go. And if people are

839
00:38:24,994 --> 00:38:26,873
Speaker 3: going to be on board with them, then they're going

840
00:38:26,953 --> 00:38:31,274
Speaker 3: to stay. And that's players, that's coaches, that's personnel department.

841
00:38:31,393 --> 00:38:33,794
Speaker 3: I think it's all three of them. Won't be any shortcuts,

842
00:38:33,834 --> 00:38:35,594
Speaker 3: but I don't think they're going to be shortcuts. And

843
00:38:35,634 --> 00:38:38,074
Speaker 3: I and I would be surprised if just all of

844
00:38:38,114 --> 00:38:42,113
Speaker 3: these guys that were say signed last year, if they're

845
00:38:42,154 --> 00:38:44,953
Speaker 3: all back, I'd be very surprised. There are gonna be

846
00:38:44,994 --> 00:38:49,274
Speaker 3: people that right now, you're not expecting that won't be back.

847
00:38:49,754 --> 00:38:51,154
Speaker 3: And I don't know who all those guys are.

848
00:38:51,194 --> 00:38:54,034
Speaker 2: There will be no surprise cuts. Is that what you're saying?

849
00:38:55,234 --> 00:38:57,074
Speaker 3: Kind of? But yeah, you know what I mean, I

850
00:38:58,114 --> 00:39:00,274
Speaker 3: might not be explaining it right, but I think he's

851
00:39:00,274 --> 00:39:03,714
Speaker 3: gonna look to get you know, we joke around about

852
00:39:03,754 --> 00:39:07,754
Speaker 3: my guys the culture as guys. I think Rabel's gonna

853
00:39:07,794 --> 00:39:10,433
Speaker 3: look long and hard and who's with us and who's not?

854
00:39:10,634 --> 00:39:11,633
Speaker 5: The culture wasn't good?

855
00:39:11,994 --> 00:39:14,714
Speaker 3: Like what kind of circles that entitlement line that he

856
00:39:14,834 --> 00:39:16,714
Speaker 3: kept using yesterday, just keeps ringing it.

857
00:39:17,114 --> 00:39:19,513
Speaker 8: And who's entitled? The guys that got paid last year

858
00:39:19,794 --> 00:39:21,433
Speaker 8: and the guys who and let's face it, it's a

859
00:39:21,433 --> 00:39:23,473
Speaker 8: pretty significant list guys who got paid and.

860
00:39:23,514 --> 00:39:26,993
Speaker 2: Regrets fortunately watunate because you pay them so that they

861
00:39:27,034 --> 00:39:31,074
Speaker 2: would be on board and happy and you know, carrying

862
00:39:31,114 --> 00:39:32,473
Speaker 2: the water right and a lot.

863
00:39:32,433 --> 00:39:34,194
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, I just I mean I look

864
00:39:34,234 --> 00:39:36,553
Speaker 8: immediately to Kyle Duggah and Michael Whenu and you know,

865
00:39:36,674 --> 00:39:39,153
Speaker 8: just as I was taking inventory the year and looking

866
00:39:39,154 --> 00:39:41,154
Speaker 8: forward to next year, I'm like, those guys got to

867
00:39:41,154 --> 00:39:43,154
Speaker 8: bring it next year like they had down years. I

868
00:39:43,194 --> 00:39:45,553
Speaker 8: need Michael Wnu to come back in shape ready to

869
00:39:45,594 --> 00:39:47,473
Speaker 8: go with right guard and maybe they're going to quit

870
00:39:47,514 --> 00:39:49,274
Speaker 8: moving him all over the place and let him focus

871
00:39:49,314 --> 00:39:51,314
Speaker 8: on it. But you know, those guys that you played

872
00:39:51,393 --> 00:39:54,634
Speaker 8: last year, last year not as bad as the year was.

873
00:39:55,034 --> 00:39:56,794
Speaker 8: I feel like it was also an opportunity for some

874
00:39:56,873 --> 00:39:59,394
Speaker 8: of those guys to step up and into those roles

875
00:39:59,393 --> 00:40:01,674
Speaker 8: when Juwan Bentley goes down, and you know, I think

876
00:40:01,674 --> 00:40:05,114
Speaker 8: the team felt rudderless. It felt guys sniping at each other.

877
00:40:05,154 --> 00:40:06,953
Speaker 8: I mean, it felt like the defensive line room was

878
00:40:07,314 --> 00:40:09,314
Speaker 8: all over the defense all year. I mean they were,

879
00:40:09,354 --> 00:40:11,114
Speaker 8: you know, taking shots at each other. I don't know

880
00:40:11,154 --> 00:40:13,674
Speaker 8: exactly what the factions were, but you know, it was

881
00:40:13,714 --> 00:40:15,714
Speaker 8: all over the place and no real leader. I mean,

882
00:40:15,754 --> 00:40:17,434
Speaker 8: I think this was part of the Callahan and Kaide

883
00:40:17,433 --> 00:40:20,314
Speaker 8: piece two where that nobody really stepped up into those

884
00:40:20,354 --> 00:40:23,314
Speaker 8: leadership roles to hold people accountable.

885
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:24,993
Speaker 3: And that beca was one of the things that I

886
00:40:25,034 --> 00:40:28,834
Speaker 3: think think we kind of glossed over is we made

887
00:40:28,953 --> 00:40:32,153
Speaker 3: mention of when all the captains got hurt, but not

888
00:40:32,194 --> 00:40:36,714
Speaker 3: necessarily saying how damaging that can be when you those

889
00:40:36,714 --> 00:40:38,553
Speaker 3: are the guys you're counting on to be leaders. And

890
00:40:38,554 --> 00:40:41,953
Speaker 3: now they're not in uniform. That's hard to lose Andrews,

891
00:40:41,953 --> 00:40:45,473
Speaker 3: to lose Bentley, you know, those kinds of guys. You know,

892
00:40:45,554 --> 00:40:51,194
Speaker 3: Pepper's situation early in the year, that's not nothing. You know,

893
00:40:51,314 --> 00:40:53,154
Speaker 3: when you have guys that you're really counting on to

894
00:40:53,234 --> 00:40:54,514
Speaker 3: do that and then they're all.

895
00:40:54,873 --> 00:40:58,034
Speaker 8: Especially when the guys behind them are not that vocal

896
00:40:58,314 --> 00:41:01,033
Speaker 8: or you know, just I mean, you guys know, certain

897
00:41:01,074 --> 00:41:03,474
Speaker 8: guys have that leadership vibe and you know, Jawan Bentley

898
00:41:03,473 --> 00:41:05,634
Speaker 8: walks to the room and everyone's like that guy. You know,

899
00:41:05,714 --> 00:41:07,993
Speaker 8: other guys not not so much. They got to find

900
00:41:07,994 --> 00:41:10,314
Speaker 8: those guys, and it goes to what Verbel said yesterday.

901
00:41:10,514 --> 00:41:12,514
Speaker 8: Build the conditions for those guys to emerge.

902
00:41:12,674 --> 00:41:15,154
Speaker 5: I just think you need new guys, Like I think

903
00:41:15,194 --> 00:41:17,354
Speaker 5: a lot of the guys going to agree with you

904
00:41:17,714 --> 00:41:20,794
Speaker 5: on this team other than like the real bill CA

905
00:41:21,034 --> 00:41:24,274
Speaker 5: you know, hold Over as Jonathan Jones, Dietrich Wise, David Andrews,

906
00:41:24,433 --> 00:41:27,834
Speaker 5: all of these guys have one anything in the league,

907
00:41:27,994 --> 00:41:30,953
Speaker 5: like really like haven't won, been successful anywhere. And I'm

908
00:41:30,994 --> 00:41:33,354
Speaker 5: not saying they're bad football players or you know, anything

909
00:41:33,433 --> 00:41:36,193
Speaker 5: like that necessarily across the board, but like you got

910
00:41:36,194 --> 00:41:38,714
Speaker 5: to find some guys that have been there and done that.

911
00:41:38,754 --> 00:41:40,794
Speaker 5: And you look in Washington and you like hear the

912
00:41:41,114 --> 00:41:44,714
Speaker 5: impact that Bobby Wagner has had on that team, just

913
00:41:44,714 --> 00:41:48,033
Speaker 5: as like somebody that has won a super Bowl, that

914
00:41:48,114 --> 00:41:50,834
Speaker 5: has been in playoffs, that's been into battle and like

915
00:41:50,994 --> 00:41:53,354
Speaker 5: understands what it takes to win in the league. And

916
00:41:53,393 --> 00:41:55,274
Speaker 5: like they don't. They don't have guys like that. And

917
00:41:55,473 --> 00:41:59,034
Speaker 5: except for the Bill veterans, which were Bill guys, Like,

918
00:41:59,433 --> 00:42:01,354
Speaker 5: it's not those aren't Greatbot.

919
00:42:00,994 --> 00:42:04,754
Speaker 3: We're all turning our eyes to the commanders because I mean,

920
00:42:04,794 --> 00:42:07,553
Speaker 3: I know we keep talking about it, but it's it's

921
00:42:07,594 --> 00:42:10,354
Speaker 3: the perfect example. It's the same they were in the

922
00:42:10,393 --> 00:42:15,714
Speaker 3: same spot. And it's not that impossible. It's not easy,

923
00:42:16,074 --> 00:42:16,794
Speaker 3: but it can happen.

924
00:42:17,314 --> 00:42:20,554
Speaker 2: You got to make good decisions. Kendall's in San Diego.

925
00:42:20,594 --> 00:42:27,034
Speaker 2: Hey Kendall, Hey they went good.

926
00:42:28,794 --> 00:42:36,113
Speaker 6: Hey, So, Elliott Woll, how we're going to develop with

927
00:42:36,194 --> 00:42:41,433
Speaker 6: Mike Grevelin, how would he bring in coaches that have

928
00:42:41,594 --> 00:42:45,553
Speaker 6: the qualifications to develop our young players or the ones

929
00:42:45,554 --> 00:42:47,993
Speaker 6: that we're going to actually bring in later on to

930
00:42:48,154 --> 00:42:50,953
Speaker 6: fit his idea? Like, what are the different qualifications you

931
00:42:50,953 --> 00:42:54,274
Speaker 6: guys think he would be looking at? I love what

932
00:42:54,354 --> 00:42:56,154
Speaker 6: you guys do. I'll think the answer there.

933
00:42:56,234 --> 00:42:58,394
Speaker 2: Thank you, Okay, thanks Kendall.

934
00:42:59,634 --> 00:43:01,794
Speaker 3: I don't know, can we go to the Belichick cliches

935
00:43:01,873 --> 00:43:03,514
Speaker 3: like smart versus players?

936
00:43:03,634 --> 00:43:05,873
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, people who love football.

937
00:43:05,634 --> 00:43:08,714
Speaker 3: You know, veterans. I wouldn't be surprised to see like

938
00:43:08,754 --> 00:43:11,994
Speaker 3: a you know, not this dramatic, but a two thousand

939
00:43:11,994 --> 00:43:15,913
Speaker 3: and one approach where it's not going to be three

940
00:43:15,994 --> 00:43:19,194
Speaker 3: or four highest end of the market free agents, but

941
00:43:19,274 --> 00:43:23,274
Speaker 3: it might be fifteen guys coming in reuild the core,

942
00:43:23,674 --> 00:43:27,234
Speaker 3: like we need players, we need Bobby Wagner's.

943
00:43:26,873 --> 00:43:29,874
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think that there's gonna be major

944
00:43:29,953 --> 00:43:33,594
Speaker 5: roster turnover with this team going into next year because

945
00:43:33,674 --> 00:43:36,434
Speaker 5: what attachment does he have to or does Ryan Cowden

946
00:43:36,514 --> 00:43:38,633
Speaker 5: have to any of these players? Right, I mean none.

947
00:43:38,674 --> 00:43:40,553
Speaker 8: It's kind of why Drake green LUs stood out to

948
00:43:40,594 --> 00:43:41,714
Speaker 8: me a little bit as a guy.

949
00:43:42,514 --> 00:43:46,674
Speaker 3: Greenlaw good example of Bobby Wagner. Yeah, I who's had

950
00:43:46,714 --> 00:43:49,594
Speaker 3: success in the league. Now, I don't know, you know,

951
00:43:49,834 --> 00:43:51,674
Speaker 3: like a lot of people sort of thought Bobby Wagner

952
00:43:51,714 --> 00:43:53,274
Speaker 3: was on the back nine too. He's had a pretty

953
00:43:53,314 --> 00:43:53,714
Speaker 3: good year.

954
00:43:55,114 --> 00:43:56,714
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:43:56,594 --> 00:43:56,674
Speaker 4: Uh.

956
00:43:56,794 --> 00:43:59,513
Speaker 2: Podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address you've

957
00:43:59,514 --> 00:44:02,074
Speaker 2: got a lot of emails coming in. I'm just looking

958
00:44:02,114 --> 00:44:05,354
Speaker 2: at all of them seeing, uh, what sticks out to me?

959
00:44:05,834 --> 00:44:08,354
Speaker 2: This one does? It says Evan, you fraud.

960
00:44:08,314 --> 00:44:12,754
Speaker 3: Evan, Shame, shame, Power, Power.

961
00:44:12,433 --> 00:44:15,073
Speaker 2: Is your favorite play. I've been listening to you ask

962
00:44:15,154 --> 00:44:16,794
Speaker 2: for a mesh for the last two years, but I

963
00:44:16,834 --> 00:44:19,794
Speaker 2: get it. Vrabel is intimidating. So a mesh isn't a

964
00:44:19,873 --> 00:44:21,434
Speaker 2: play is an.

965
00:44:21,314 --> 00:44:26,473
Speaker 3: Aspect, it's a It's a pass play and verb. What's

966
00:44:26,473 --> 00:44:27,553
Speaker 3: your favorite run play?

967
00:44:27,634 --> 00:44:29,954
Speaker 5: If you're gonna come at me with all this no ball,

968
00:44:30,074 --> 00:44:33,114
Speaker 5: all right, don't come at me this kind.

969
00:44:32,953 --> 00:44:33,674
Speaker 2: Of no ball.

970
00:44:33,754 --> 00:44:36,873
Speaker 7: No, No, I've taken oh power? Really, Like what do

971
00:44:36,873 --> 00:44:37,714
Speaker 7: you want me to say?

972
00:44:37,754 --> 00:44:39,593
Speaker 3: Some people were even making fun of saying he comes

973
00:44:39,674 --> 00:44:41,234
Speaker 3: up with power? That's not even a play.

974
00:44:41,354 --> 00:44:44,794
Speaker 5: It isn't Like even idiots like me know that, Like

975
00:44:44,873 --> 00:44:46,234
Speaker 5: what do you what do you want me to say?

976
00:44:46,274 --> 00:44:49,554
Speaker 5: You wanted me to say something crazy and have them okay, buddy,

977
00:44:49,674 --> 00:44:52,513
Speaker 5: like whatever? Like No, I said power because it's a

978
00:44:52,514 --> 00:44:56,314
Speaker 5: classic NFL plays.

979
00:44:58,794 --> 00:44:59,033
Speaker 3: You have.

980
00:44:59,234 --> 00:45:02,634
Speaker 8: I mean, Holliston High freshman football playbook. We had power

981
00:45:02,674 --> 00:45:04,274
Speaker 8: in there, like you guys must.

982
00:45:04,234 --> 00:45:07,674
Speaker 3: Everybody for us, it was belly dive blast like yes, oh.

983
00:45:07,514 --> 00:45:08,754
Speaker 5: What what's your favorite play?

984
00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:09,714
Speaker 7: Split flow zone?

985
00:45:09,873 --> 00:45:12,034
Speaker 8: Okay, all right, Like you know I was going to

986
00:45:12,074 --> 00:45:14,834
Speaker 8: say push right.

987
00:45:14,674 --> 00:45:16,433
Speaker 3: Thing fifty y g.

988
00:45:17,794 --> 00:45:19,674
Speaker 2: Did you see the thing on Peyton over the weekend

989
00:45:19,714 --> 00:45:22,513
Speaker 2: about his play calling, Like it's like.

990
00:45:23,074 --> 00:45:25,554
Speaker 3: Oh, I heard them saying that, like how long and

991
00:45:28,034 --> 00:45:29,873
Speaker 3: bo Nicks doesn't use a wristband.

992
00:45:29,953 --> 00:45:32,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't get it that first time, you're

993
00:45:32,714 --> 00:45:33,794
Speaker 2: you're lost. Yeah.

994
00:45:33,913 --> 00:45:36,673
Speaker 8: I actually saw a thing with Gruden at barstool where

995
00:45:36,674 --> 00:45:39,234
Speaker 8: he like installed the play with like the barstool guys.

996
00:45:39,234 --> 00:45:41,913
Speaker 8: So he's got like all the barstool crew sitting there

997
00:45:41,953 --> 00:45:45,073
Speaker 8: and Gruden's just doing his install of a play and

998
00:45:45,274 --> 00:45:46,673
Speaker 8: but like rudimentary level.

999
00:45:46,674 --> 00:45:46,834
Speaker 10: It was.

1000
00:45:46,873 --> 00:45:47,553
Speaker 8: It was really fun.

1001
00:45:47,594 --> 00:45:48,594
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, where's my titan?

1002
00:45:48,754 --> 00:45:51,033
Speaker 3: All right, you're gonna be especially Evan.

1003
00:45:51,154 --> 00:45:51,673
Speaker 2: That was fun.

1004
00:45:51,714 --> 00:45:53,873
Speaker 3: Bill used to do it. Bill used to do a

1005
00:45:53,913 --> 00:45:56,433
Speaker 3: little I like that chalk talk one on one for us.

1006
00:45:56,514 --> 00:45:57,434
Speaker 8: I like that stuff.

1007
00:45:57,634 --> 00:45:59,954
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do something with Rabel on a regular basis,

1008
00:45:59,994 --> 00:46:02,953
Speaker 2: like just really talking ball in the general's aspect, not

1009
00:46:03,314 --> 00:46:07,714
Speaker 2: giving away the Patriots play on a serious note.

1010
00:46:08,194 --> 00:46:08,354
Speaker 11: Uh.

1011
00:46:08,514 --> 00:46:10,834
Speaker 2: Listening to Rabel speak with you guys was impactful for

1012
00:46:10,953 --> 00:46:13,913
Speaker 2: my opinion on the higher he does sound more knowledgeable

1013
00:46:13,953 --> 00:46:16,154
Speaker 2: than I would have thought, Like, why wouldn't you have

1014
00:46:16,194 --> 00:46:19,433
Speaker 2: thought he was knowledgeable because he's like big.

1015
00:46:19,234 --> 00:46:21,634
Speaker 5: And I think there are a lot of people that

1016
00:46:22,714 --> 00:46:26,034
Speaker 5: when you hear about him, they think he's like Dan Campbell,

1017
00:46:26,433 --> 00:46:29,354
Speaker 5: that's just gonna go and just be a raw ra

1018
00:46:29,554 --> 00:46:33,113
Speaker 5: guy and just scream about knee caps and things like that,

1019
00:46:33,554 --> 00:46:34,433
Speaker 5: and he's not.

1020
00:46:34,674 --> 00:46:35,473
Speaker 2: So I'm this guy.

1021
00:46:36,274 --> 00:46:39,754
Speaker 3: I was just like other than the fact that he

1022
00:46:39,794 --> 00:46:42,114
Speaker 3: was a player, I'm not really interested in the fact

1023
00:46:42,114 --> 00:46:44,513
Speaker 3: that all the success he had as a player in

1024
00:46:44,634 --> 00:46:47,274
Speaker 3: terms of making him a good coach. I think that

1025
00:46:47,834 --> 00:46:50,714
Speaker 3: being a former player, I do think gives you cred

1026
00:46:50,794 --> 00:46:52,754
Speaker 3: in the locker room. I think the players kind of

1027
00:46:52,834 --> 00:46:55,553
Speaker 3: like playing for former players. But if you just look

1028
00:46:55,594 --> 00:46:57,993
Speaker 3: at his resume, I'm not talking about the three Super

1029
00:46:58,034 --> 00:47:00,314
Speaker 3: Bowls or any of that nonsense that he.

1030
00:47:00,194 --> 00:47:00,834
Speaker 2: Was part of.

1031
00:47:01,594 --> 00:47:04,433
Speaker 3: This is a guy who played outside linebacker. You took

1032
00:47:04,473 --> 00:47:07,393
Speaker 3: the w had to move to inside linebacker because there

1033
00:47:07,433 --> 00:47:09,074
Speaker 3: was a two year stretch where they couldn't stop the

1034
00:47:09,154 --> 00:47:13,274
Speaker 3: run to save their lives. And it's a completely different position,

1035
00:47:14,034 --> 00:47:17,394
Speaker 3: and he played it, played it well. Then he goes

1036
00:47:17,674 --> 00:47:20,033
Speaker 3: and plays on the offensive side of the ball. To

1037
00:47:20,114 --> 00:47:23,154
Speaker 3: the point where he had ten receptions in his career.

1038
00:47:23,234 --> 00:47:27,354
Speaker 3: They all resulted in touchdowns. Like this isn't just a

1039
00:47:27,393 --> 00:47:30,154
Speaker 3: guy who wants to bite kneecaps. This is a smart,

1040
00:47:30,554 --> 00:47:35,194
Speaker 3: versatile player who understood And Bill used to say, I

1041
00:47:35,234 --> 00:47:36,913
Speaker 3: think there was a I think Bill actually had a

1042
00:47:36,953 --> 00:47:37,754
Speaker 3: statement's a clip.

1043
00:47:37,794 --> 00:47:39,274
Speaker 2: Everybody knew he was going to be a coach.

1044
00:47:39,314 --> 00:47:42,394
Speaker 3: He said, he's the most prepared to be a coach.

1045
00:47:42,514 --> 00:47:46,913
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing, the most coach like player he ever had.

1046
00:47:47,554 --> 00:47:50,834
Speaker 3: And this is coming from Bill, So I you know,

1047
00:47:51,114 --> 00:47:55,714
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that people would be surprised that he comes

1048
00:47:55,754 --> 00:47:58,234
Speaker 3: across as is knowing as much as he does exes

1049
00:47:58,354 --> 00:48:00,633
Speaker 3: knows why that's the player he does.

1050
00:48:00,674 --> 00:48:02,953
Speaker 8: He stand out, I mean above everyone. I mean we

1051
00:48:02,994 --> 00:48:05,473
Speaker 8: heard plenty of guys who were ex's and coaches on

1052
00:48:05,514 --> 00:48:07,073
Speaker 8: the field, coaches, and there were a lot of those

1053
00:48:07,114 --> 00:48:09,154
Speaker 8: guys that came through here, but to me, he was

1054
00:48:09,194 --> 00:48:12,274
Speaker 8: always the pinnacle of it, who showed it.

1055
00:48:12,314 --> 00:48:14,073
Speaker 3: You know, you would just say, like this, it's one

1056
00:48:14,074 --> 00:48:16,433
Speaker 3: thing that to sort of absorb a game plan and

1057
00:48:16,514 --> 00:48:19,953
Speaker 3: understand what you're doing each week, but he understood the

1058
00:48:19,953 --> 00:48:24,113
Speaker 3: concepts of football, like what the other team was doing

1059
00:48:24,154 --> 00:48:26,354
Speaker 3: what the what they would try to accomplish and how

1060
00:48:26,354 --> 00:48:30,114
Speaker 3: to you know, what the idea was, why why the

1061
00:48:30,154 --> 00:48:33,154
Speaker 3: game plan was what it was for the Patriots because

1062
00:48:33,154 --> 00:48:34,913
Speaker 3: they're doing this and this is why we have to

1063
00:48:34,953 --> 00:48:36,794
Speaker 3: do that and adjusting on the fly.

1064
00:48:36,994 --> 00:48:39,234
Speaker 2: He got it from a macro in a micro level.

1065
00:48:39,314 --> 00:48:42,073
Speaker 5: Yeah, the why no, like being able to dissect the

1066
00:48:42,114 --> 00:48:45,513
Speaker 5: why of this is their scheme the opponent and this

1067
00:48:45,594 --> 00:48:47,953
Speaker 5: is why they do. Like that's the next level stuff, right,

1068
00:48:48,354 --> 00:48:50,114
Speaker 5: you know, they're going to play this coverage and hear

1069
00:48:50,234 --> 00:48:52,714
Speaker 5: their rules and how can we attack that and you

1070
00:48:52,754 --> 00:48:56,234
Speaker 5: know get you know, find the vulnerabilities and those types

1071
00:48:56,274 --> 00:49:00,154
Speaker 5: of things. But I admit, I, you know, I the

1072
00:49:00,194 --> 00:49:03,033
Speaker 5: fact that he can like break down offense the way

1073
00:49:03,074 --> 00:49:05,874
Speaker 5: that he not with me, but like just in general,

1074
00:49:06,594 --> 00:49:09,033
Speaker 5: you know, like the fact that he knows offense to

1075
00:49:09,154 --> 00:49:13,554
Speaker 5: that degree. It took me like a little bit by surprise.

1076
00:49:13,953 --> 00:49:16,994
Speaker 2: How Brady and Belichick were the perfect pairing. So was Rabel.

1077
00:49:17,594 --> 00:49:20,834
Speaker 2: I mean Rabel you know, flourished when he came here,

1078
00:49:21,154 --> 00:49:25,154
Speaker 2: uh you know from Pittsburgh, and I think Belichick's so

1079
00:49:25,314 --> 00:49:30,354
Speaker 2: on him, someone who was extremely coachable, extremely versatile, had

1080
00:49:31,154 --> 00:49:33,073
Speaker 2: you know, talent as well.

1081
00:49:32,834 --> 00:49:35,993
Speaker 3: And I think those are the kinds of players that

1082
00:49:36,234 --> 00:49:39,754
Speaker 3: they need to get. Like, listen, they need T Higgins

1083
00:49:40,074 --> 00:49:42,954
Speaker 3: that you know, and I don't mean specifically T Higgins.

1084
00:49:42,994 --> 00:49:45,834
Speaker 3: They need a number one, you know, wide receiver.

1085
00:49:46,074 --> 00:49:47,393
Speaker 8: I'm not can you just say a J. Brown?

1086
00:49:47,594 --> 00:49:48,873
Speaker 7: Just say Brown, okay, But they.

1087
00:49:48,754 --> 00:49:51,354
Speaker 3: Need a J. Brown, They need a you know, they

1088
00:49:51,393 --> 00:49:54,393
Speaker 3: need some talent. They need some high end talent. And

1089
00:49:55,034 --> 00:49:57,234
Speaker 3: I think that they'll try to get two or three

1090
00:49:57,234 --> 00:50:00,513
Speaker 3: of those guys, but they need maybe eight or ten.

1091
00:50:00,794 --> 00:50:04,114
Speaker 3: Mike Rabels from two thousand and one, yeah, you know,

1092
00:50:04,154 --> 00:50:06,513
Speaker 3: and we all know all those names that that you

1093
00:50:06,554 --> 00:50:08,274
Speaker 3: know that really worked out. There were a lot of

1094
00:50:08,274 --> 00:50:10,154
Speaker 3: players that they had. Some of them were veterans that

1095
00:50:10,194 --> 00:50:11,194
Speaker 3: had smaller roles.

1096
00:50:11,314 --> 00:50:13,193
Speaker 2: Listen, Wes Welker was one of them, but there.

1097
00:50:13,114 --> 00:50:17,554
Speaker 3: Was a lot of them, you know. I mean, Welker

1098
00:50:17,674 --> 00:50:21,634
Speaker 3: was a guy they targeted. They thought he had a

1099
00:50:21,634 --> 00:50:22,914
Speaker 3: specific role that.

1100
00:50:22,714 --> 00:50:25,513
Speaker 2: That right, But he was a smart guy. It was

1101
00:50:25,554 --> 00:50:28,393
Speaker 2: a smart player who could play with Tom Brady and

1102
00:50:28,433 --> 00:50:31,114
Speaker 2: take advantage of Brady's intellect. You know.

1103
00:50:32,433 --> 00:50:34,234
Speaker 3: That's what I think they're going to do in the offseason.

1104
00:50:34,354 --> 00:50:36,594
Speaker 3: Something you know, maybe let's let's call it two thousand

1105
00:50:36,594 --> 00:50:38,033
Speaker 3: and one light. I mean, I think they had like

1106
00:50:38,074 --> 00:50:41,113
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two or twenty three free agents that year.

1107
00:50:41,114 --> 00:50:44,594
Speaker 3: I don't expect that, but they brought a lot of

1108
00:50:44,634 --> 00:50:48,234
Speaker 3: players in that were they were NFL veteran players, Like

1109
00:50:48,354 --> 00:50:50,113
Speaker 3: not just all young guys.

1110
00:50:50,194 --> 00:50:53,794
Speaker 2: I want tough and smart guys. Tough and smart.

1111
00:50:54,234 --> 00:50:58,434
Speaker 8: I wonder I rick, I think table handles Romandre.

1112
00:51:01,154 --> 00:51:03,154
Speaker 2: I think like that to me, you stop fumbling or

1113
00:51:03,194 --> 00:51:04,234
Speaker 2: you're never gonna play again.

1114
00:51:04,514 --> 00:51:06,154
Speaker 7: See I think I agree.

1115
00:51:06,234 --> 00:51:08,154
Speaker 5: But I also like he's going to have a trick,

1116
00:51:08,554 --> 00:51:12,834
Speaker 5: Like he's going to have some sort of like you know,

1117
00:51:13,154 --> 00:51:16,033
Speaker 5: like remember Kevin fulk wore like the elbow pads and

1118
00:51:16,074 --> 00:51:18,194
Speaker 5: that like allowed him to like lodge the ball into

1119
00:51:18,234 --> 00:51:21,113
Speaker 5: that because he had fubbling issues too, he did, And

1120
00:51:21,154 --> 00:51:22,953
Speaker 5: so like, you know, think like something like that, like

1121
00:51:22,994 --> 00:51:25,834
Speaker 5: he's going to have some sort of like little little

1122
00:51:25,953 --> 00:51:26,913
Speaker 5: thing that he's gonna be.

1123
00:51:27,034 --> 00:51:28,754
Speaker 8: I mean, I you know, look, he's not Derek Henry,

1124
00:51:28,794 --> 00:51:32,513
Speaker 8: but I imagine that, you know, to some extent, Verbel's looking

1125
00:51:32,554 --> 00:51:34,033
Speaker 8: at the team being like, we got to be able

1126
00:51:34,034 --> 00:51:36,154
Speaker 8: to run the ball a little bit. This guy's talented.

1127
00:51:36,194 --> 00:51:39,393
Speaker 8: How do I get him to be reliable? You know,

1128
00:51:39,433 --> 00:51:41,394
Speaker 8: and that just seems like one of the hardest things

1129
00:51:41,754 --> 00:51:44,553
Speaker 8: to pull out of a young player's reliability. It's just,

1130
00:51:44,634 --> 00:51:46,714
Speaker 8: you know, some guys have it, some guys don't. Sometimes

1131
00:51:46,754 --> 00:51:48,594
Speaker 8: it develops, but for the most part, you don't got it.

1132
00:51:48,594 --> 00:51:49,114
Speaker 3: You don't got it.

1133
00:51:49,393 --> 00:51:52,674
Speaker 2: Finishing up to see, Madam john what kind of offense

1134
00:51:52,714 --> 00:51:55,074
Speaker 2: do we want to see going forward? West Coast spread

1135
00:51:55,114 --> 00:51:58,674
Speaker 2: aarhard Perkins. I know they all have multiple variations, but

1136
00:51:58,794 --> 00:52:01,873
Speaker 2: if McDaniels comes back to run the air hard like

1137
00:52:01,953 --> 00:52:04,834
Speaker 2: most believe, should the Patriots look to hire from Detroit's

1138
00:52:04,834 --> 00:52:08,074
Speaker 2: staff as they also run the same scheme under Ben Johnson.

1139
00:52:08,354 --> 00:52:10,714
Speaker 2: Maybe they bring in fresh ideas on offense under the

1140
00:52:10,714 --> 00:52:13,513
Speaker 2: same scheme and it jumps to the offense forward. I'm

1141
00:52:13,514 --> 00:52:15,873
Speaker 2: also okay with keeping the West Coast, but maybe they

1142
00:52:15,873 --> 00:52:18,714
Speaker 2: should look to hire from the La Rams in that case.

1143
00:52:18,994 --> 00:52:22,314
Speaker 2: I know each hiring probably requires a promotion. Is run

1144
00:52:22,354 --> 00:52:26,314
Speaker 2: game coordinator a past game coordinator considered a promotion? Either way,

1145
00:52:26,634 --> 00:52:28,593
Speaker 2: I feel like this will be the big topic until

1146
00:52:28,634 --> 00:52:31,274
Speaker 2: coordinators are announced for the team. Looking forward to the

1147
00:52:31,274 --> 00:52:34,474
Speaker 2: offseason shows and if things get slow, I will bringing

1148
00:52:34,514 --> 00:52:37,794
Speaker 2: up food and restaurant topics to get Paul Awake.

1149
00:52:37,794 --> 00:52:40,953
Speaker 3: Thank you okay, and I like your email by the way,

1150
00:52:41,194 --> 00:52:41,473
Speaker 3: just to.

1151
00:52:41,514 --> 00:52:45,593
Speaker 5: Correct something I said last week along with an emailer, uh,

1152
00:52:46,393 --> 00:52:49,154
Speaker 5: I checked in with some people about the Lions offense

1153
00:52:49,234 --> 00:52:53,834
Speaker 5: because there's some contradicting, uh you know, stuff out there

1154
00:52:53,873 --> 00:52:57,073
Speaker 5: about what kind of system Ben Johnson is running. Ben

1155
00:52:57,154 --> 00:53:00,953
Speaker 5: Johnson really kind of runs his own system, and they

1156
00:53:00,953 --> 00:53:05,274
Speaker 5: would not call it an EP offense. They also wouldn't

1157
00:53:05,274 --> 00:53:07,114
Speaker 5: call it a West Coast offense. So some of the

1158
00:53:07,154 --> 00:53:11,114
Speaker 5: protections that he runs are similar to the EP offense

1159
00:53:11,154 --> 00:53:14,274
Speaker 5: in terms of pass protection. But they they pushed back

1160
00:53:14,314 --> 00:53:16,513
Speaker 5: when I said that it wasn't an Airhart Perkins offense.

1161
00:53:16,554 --> 00:53:17,274
Speaker 2: It's his own thing.

1162
00:53:17,393 --> 00:53:20,594
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's very very good because that staff hasn't

1163
00:53:20,594 --> 00:53:23,594
Speaker 5: turned over a ton yet. Like no one has the playbook,

1164
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:26,873
Speaker 5: Like you can get the play book for the Josh

1165
00:53:26,953 --> 00:53:27,914
Speaker 5: mcdaniels's playbook.

1166
00:53:27,913 --> 00:53:28,553
Speaker 7: It's just out there.

1167
00:53:28,634 --> 00:53:31,553
Speaker 2: Football offenses is the music offense. You know, they all

1168
00:53:31,594 --> 00:53:34,354
Speaker 2: have roots and like the blues and then it became

1169
00:53:34,473 --> 00:53:36,794
Speaker 2: jazz and you know all this stuff. Like but yeah,

1170
00:53:37,114 --> 00:53:39,594
Speaker 2: you can you can figure out the roots of everything

1171
00:53:39,634 --> 00:53:41,553
Speaker 2: and then new stuff emerges from it.

1172
00:53:41,594 --> 00:53:43,553
Speaker 3: Now I want to ask Evan a question do you

1173
00:53:43,594 --> 00:53:46,114
Speaker 3: think this is totally kind of off topic, but do

1174
00:53:46,194 --> 00:53:49,873
Speaker 3: you think there are similarities between the Airhart Perkins system

1175
00:53:50,114 --> 00:53:57,194
Speaker 3: and sort of a traditional West Coast.

1176
00:53:55,714 --> 00:53:57,834
Speaker 5: There can be like you know we're talking we're talking

1177
00:53:57,834 --> 00:54:00,274
Speaker 5: about language, right, We're talking about terminology.

1178
00:54:00,354 --> 00:54:02,274
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just talking about the play concepts.

1179
00:54:02,354 --> 00:54:05,074
Speaker 5: So the play Yeah, like everybody kind of runs a

1180
00:54:05,114 --> 00:54:07,874
Speaker 5: lot of the same play concepts. Like what we're talking

1181
00:54:07,913 --> 00:54:10,433
Speaker 5: about is like how do you communicate those play concepts

1182
00:54:10,433 --> 00:54:14,473
Speaker 5: to the players. So in an Earnhart Perkins system, you

1183
00:54:14,514 --> 00:54:17,513
Speaker 5: know they have protections in the fifties, sixties and seventies, right,

1184
00:54:17,794 --> 00:54:20,754
Speaker 5: you know, fifty is five man, sixties six man, seven

1185
00:54:20,834 --> 00:54:22,794
Speaker 5: man is seventy. In an in.

1186
00:54:22,754 --> 00:54:25,714
Speaker 7: A West Coast offense, they don't use a system.

1187
00:54:25,754 --> 00:54:27,834
Speaker 5: They use a different type of system.

1188
00:54:27,473 --> 00:54:29,874
Speaker 3: Right in the rewards.

1189
00:54:29,674 --> 00:54:33,473
Speaker 5: Yeah, to run protections and things like that. So it's

1190
00:54:33,554 --> 00:54:36,953
Speaker 5: all about you know, everybody has the same you know,

1191
00:54:36,953 --> 00:54:38,114
Speaker 5: no one's reinventing the wheel.

1192
00:54:38,194 --> 00:54:40,394
Speaker 3: That's what really bothered U. Chad Johnson.

1193
00:54:40,913 --> 00:54:46,194
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but I couldn't say that. He couldn't be

1194
00:54:46,314 --> 00:54:48,794
Speaker 2: on the terminology though. I just remember as a kid,

1195
00:54:49,194 --> 00:54:53,194
Speaker 2: you know, watching what the Patriots did and Airhart Perkins

1196
00:54:53,194 --> 00:54:55,953
Speaker 2: and everything, and then seeing that West Coast, you know,

1197
00:54:56,034 --> 00:54:58,234
Speaker 2: kind of for the first time, say, there was a

1198
00:54:58,354 --> 00:55:01,194
Speaker 2: to me, a you know, someone who's not as technical,

1199
00:55:01,473 --> 00:55:04,393
Speaker 2: there was a clear difference in the way those offenses look.

1200
00:55:04,714 --> 00:55:07,754
Speaker 2: The West Coast was more just rhythm, you know, short

1201
00:55:07,794 --> 00:55:09,914
Speaker 2: pass that's what you know, you're.

1202
00:55:09,794 --> 00:55:12,113
Speaker 3: Talking about when you were growing up as growing up. Yeah,

1203
00:55:12,274 --> 00:55:14,433
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the air Heart Perkins like in the

1204
00:55:14,433 --> 00:55:16,874
Speaker 3: modern times with like Tom Brady.

1205
00:55:17,034 --> 00:55:19,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that started before Tom Brady.

1206
00:55:19,674 --> 00:55:21,314
Speaker 3: You know, I understand that Ronnie and Heart was here

1207
00:55:21,314 --> 00:55:23,993
Speaker 3: in the late seventies. Andy Perkins sort of you know,

1208
00:55:24,114 --> 00:55:26,953
Speaker 3: came in with that. I get that, but it's not

1209
00:55:27,114 --> 00:55:30,314
Speaker 3: the same. But I thought there's a lot of like

1210
00:55:31,234 --> 00:55:34,513
Speaker 3: quick hitters to the outside first. You know, they're like

1211
00:55:35,154 --> 00:55:38,354
Speaker 3: first down plays, like move the chains kind of plays,

1212
00:55:38,554 --> 00:55:41,513
Speaker 3: stay ahead of the sticks kind of plays concepts, And

1213
00:55:41,873 --> 00:55:44,153
Speaker 3: to Evan's point, I think there are you know, there's

1214
00:55:44,194 --> 00:55:46,834
Speaker 3: only so many different ways to reinvent the wheel. I

1215
00:55:46,913 --> 00:55:49,874
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of similarities. Bill used to really

1216
00:55:49,913 --> 00:55:52,194
Speaker 3: push back on that, which is why I asked you

1217
00:55:52,234 --> 00:55:56,073
Speaker 3: what you thought, Brian, and I think talked to Bill

1218
00:55:56,114 --> 00:55:58,873
Speaker 3: about it. This a lot of West Coast. It's not

1219
00:55:58,913 --> 00:56:01,553
Speaker 3: a West Coast No, but he almost got mad.

1220
00:56:01,634 --> 00:56:04,034
Speaker 2: No, but it's true. But I think that that West

1221
00:56:04,074 --> 00:56:08,314
Speaker 2: Coast wrinkle into the EP was a recent thing, Like

1222
00:56:08,393 --> 00:56:13,393
Speaker 2: that was something that with Troy Brown here, like they

1223
00:56:13,514 --> 00:56:15,473
Speaker 2: kind of installed because we need to do this.

1224
00:56:15,594 --> 00:56:18,754
Speaker 3: But what you're talking about like the original, like you're

1225
00:56:18,754 --> 00:56:22,993
Speaker 3: talking about a completely run based offense, like the like

1226
00:56:23,034 --> 00:56:25,993
Speaker 3: the Earhart Perkins thing was all run based. Of course,

1227
00:56:25,994 --> 00:56:28,274
Speaker 3: it had nothing to do with West Coast. Like Bill

1228
00:56:28,354 --> 00:56:33,234
Speaker 3: Walsh started the West Coast. Wow, teams are throwing, like

1229
00:56:33,314 --> 00:56:36,433
Speaker 3: everybody ran like two backs at once and ran the

1230
00:56:36,433 --> 00:56:39,433
Speaker 3: ball constantly like in the late seventies, you know, like

1231
00:56:39,473 --> 00:56:41,914
Speaker 3: you'd have like almost like an offset full back and

1232
00:56:42,393 --> 00:56:45,553
Speaker 3: anybody could get the ball, you know, running all kinds

1233
00:56:45,554 --> 00:56:49,234
Speaker 3: of power and duo and crap like that. That put

1234
00:56:49,274 --> 00:56:50,673
Speaker 3: everybody to sleep good.

1235
00:56:50,873 --> 00:56:54,074
Speaker 2: But again, I think you got to get down. I

1236
00:56:54,114 --> 00:56:56,714
Speaker 2: think no matter what system you like to run, you

1237
00:56:56,794 --> 00:57:00,593
Speaker 2: have to adjust it to your personnel. You just have to. Yeah.

1238
00:57:00,634 --> 00:57:02,473
Speaker 3: I just was curious to you know, like I just

1239
00:57:02,514 --> 00:57:05,354
Speaker 3: feel like there's a lot of timing involved with like Brady,

1240
00:57:05,953 --> 00:57:07,834
Speaker 3: you know, it's third and three, we're just gonna we're

1241
00:57:07,834 --> 00:57:09,553
Speaker 3: gonna get the snap, the ball is gonna be out.

1242
00:57:09,634 --> 00:57:11,834
Speaker 3: Joey bos is gonna be pissed because he beat the

1243
00:57:11,873 --> 00:57:13,794
Speaker 3: tackle in the blink of an eye, but the ball

1244
00:57:13,834 --> 00:57:16,874
Speaker 3: was already out. West Coast offense kind of concept to me,

1245
00:57:17,594 --> 00:57:20,554
Speaker 3: like rhythm boo, you know, but it wasn't the same.

1246
00:57:20,834 --> 00:57:23,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say that. One of the other big differences

1247
00:57:23,754 --> 00:57:26,354
Speaker 5: between you know, what the Patriots have done in the

1248
00:57:26,354 --> 00:57:28,714
Speaker 5: past with McDaniels and Brady and things like that, and

1249
00:57:28,994 --> 00:57:32,274
Speaker 5: the West Coast teams is the amount of formations that

1250
00:57:32,354 --> 00:57:35,314
Speaker 5: you would use in this offense in terms of, uh,

1251
00:57:35,394 --> 00:57:38,274
Speaker 5: you know, mixing up formations with personnel groupings and things

1252
00:57:38,314 --> 00:57:41,234
Speaker 5: like that. West Coast offenses, like Sean McVay is an

1253
00:57:41,274 --> 00:57:44,874
Speaker 5: eleven personnel team, Like they run three wide receivers like

1254
00:57:44,954 --> 00:57:46,514
Speaker 5: ninety percent of the time. And I like how they

1255
00:57:46,714 --> 00:57:49,874
Speaker 5: changed yeah too, Yeah, they're not just they don't do

1256
00:57:49,954 --> 00:57:52,274
Speaker 5: a ton of that. They go into games with maybe

1257
00:57:52,354 --> 00:57:55,954
Speaker 5: like twenty different formations in the install The Patriots would

1258
00:57:55,954 --> 00:57:58,234
Speaker 5: probably go into games with like double that, right, So,

1259
00:57:58,354 --> 00:58:01,634
Speaker 5: like you have different Their offense is all based on

1260
00:58:01,714 --> 00:58:04,434
Speaker 5: we're gonna run a lot of the same formations, but

1261
00:58:04,434 --> 00:58:07,554
Speaker 5: we're gonna run different plays out of those formations, whereas

1262
00:58:07,594 --> 00:58:11,234
Speaker 5: the Patriots were basically just a menu of we could

1263
00:58:11,234 --> 00:58:14,274
Speaker 5: do whatever we need on this particular day, this particular

1264
00:58:14,394 --> 00:58:17,074
Speaker 5: drive to move the football so we could be under center,

1265
00:58:17,114 --> 00:58:19,073
Speaker 5: we could be spread, we could be empty, we could

1266
00:58:19,074 --> 00:58:19,554
Speaker 5: be whatever.

1267
00:58:19,634 --> 00:58:22,314
Speaker 2: And then they get Hernandez and they changed again.

1268
00:58:22,394 --> 00:58:24,674
Speaker 3: But that's the like the to put the finger on

1269
00:58:24,714 --> 00:58:28,234
Speaker 3: the thing that I would be most concerned about is that,

1270
00:58:28,554 --> 00:58:30,593
Speaker 3: because I do think everything Evan just said is one

1271
00:58:30,594 --> 00:58:33,194
Speaker 3: thousand percent right. And Brady allowed them to do that.

1272
00:58:33,434 --> 00:58:39,074
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and I have not seen Yes, it's a

1273
00:58:39,194 --> 00:58:40,314
Speaker 2: Brady off like I have.

1274
00:58:40,354 --> 00:58:43,794
Speaker 3: Not seen other quarterbacks run at anywhere near the level

1275
00:58:43,794 --> 00:58:47,674
Speaker 3: of efficiency. They've been okay with Castle, and you know,

1276
00:58:47,754 --> 00:58:49,914
Speaker 3: for a couple of games with Mac Jones when they

1277
00:58:49,914 --> 00:58:54,593
Speaker 3: play like Jacksonville and score fifty points. He I love

1278
00:58:54,634 --> 00:58:58,994
Speaker 3: it because it's so like So someone had a stat

1279
00:58:59,074 --> 00:59:01,834
Speaker 3: and I don't remember the exact numbers, but these are close.

1280
00:59:03,594 --> 00:59:08,714
Speaker 3: Josh mcdaniels's offense with Tom Brady scored more than twenty

1281
00:59:08,754 --> 00:59:14,194
Speaker 3: points something like sixty something percent of the games or something.

1282
00:59:14,274 --> 00:59:16,673
Speaker 3: I mean, some ridiculously high number like that. It's over

1283
00:59:16,954 --> 00:59:21,794
Speaker 3: over sixty nine percent of the games or something. Without him,

1284
00:59:22,314 --> 00:59:26,593
Speaker 3: the number dropped by like forty percent. Like, I mean,

1285
00:59:26,634 --> 00:59:28,914
Speaker 3: that makes a perfect sense. You're not going to be

1286
00:59:28,954 --> 00:59:32,274
Speaker 3: able to score as much with Sam Bradford and Matt

1287
00:59:32,354 --> 00:59:37,954
Speaker 3: Castle and Mac Jones, you know, and Jakoby Bush said

1288
00:59:38,794 --> 00:59:43,554
Speaker 3: Tim Tebow, Kyle Orton, like they make Plumber, Yeah, they

1289
00:59:43,594 --> 00:59:45,714
Speaker 3: never had. I don't even think he had Jake Plumber.

1290
00:59:45,754 --> 00:59:48,274
Speaker 3: I think it was Kyle Orton. Okay, I think he

1291
00:59:48,354 --> 00:59:53,193
Speaker 3: had as his quarterback in Denver. It so it makes sense,

1292
00:59:53,274 --> 00:59:55,634
Speaker 3: But I just wonder, is it the system that we're

1293
00:59:55,714 --> 00:59:57,874
Speaker 3: like in love with or is it just like to

1294
00:59:57,914 --> 01:00:00,874
Speaker 3: Evan's point, Brady's ability to do whatever it needed to

1295
01:00:00,914 --> 01:00:01,314
Speaker 3: be done.

1296
01:00:01,474 --> 01:00:03,754
Speaker 8: It's also organic, you know, And that's what you have,

1297
01:00:03,914 --> 01:00:07,114
Speaker 8: same systems, but you have different players and different coaches,

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Speaker 8: you know.

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Speaker 2: And it's like you try to it's a people business.

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Speaker 8: You can't even really compare the two. At a certain point,

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Speaker 8: all right, I gotta eat, We're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 14: Famili your faces that I remember from back in the day,

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01:01:26,954 --> 01:01:33,194
Speaker 14: But that's okay. Thank you, Robert. You know I'm humbled.

1326
01:01:33,234 --> 01:01:36,114
Speaker 14: I'm grateful. It's a lot of people that have helped

1327
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Speaker 14: me get to this point, and I want to thank them.

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01:01:39,234 --> 01:01:41,874
Speaker 14: I want to use this opportunity to thank them in

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01:01:41,914 --> 01:01:44,434
Speaker 14: front of you. You'll get to know some of them,

1330
01:01:44,714 --> 01:01:47,954
Speaker 14: most of them. And I want to thank my family.

1331
01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:50,034
Speaker 14: I want to thank Jen, it's been along for this

1332
01:01:50,154 --> 01:01:54,514
Speaker 14: ride for quite a while, Tyler and Carter, who grew

1333
01:01:54,594 --> 01:01:58,514
Speaker 14: up here, who spent time here. You know, it probably

1334
01:01:58,594 --> 01:02:03,274
Speaker 14: wasn't the easiest thing to be my son as I

1335
01:02:03,314 --> 01:02:05,034
Speaker 14: was trying to figure this out and figure out the

1336
01:02:05,074 --> 01:02:07,234
Speaker 14: difference between being a dad and being a coach. So

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Speaker 14: I love them dearly. You'll see them around hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Obviously.

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Speaker 14: Want to thank my parents, thank Chuck and e Lane.

1340
01:02:16,314 --> 01:02:20,034
Speaker 14: And as I go through this interview process, I'm always

1341
01:02:20,114 --> 01:02:22,954
Speaker 14: quick to tell people that I'm an only child and

1342
01:02:23,074 --> 01:02:25,514
Speaker 14: only children are spoiled, which I was. I was an

1343
01:02:25,514 --> 01:02:28,514
Speaker 14: only child of two educators. But my dad was a

1344
01:02:28,554 --> 01:02:31,474
Speaker 14: basketball coach and assistant football coach, and he taught me

1345
01:02:32,834 --> 01:02:33,354
Speaker 14: what it.

1346
01:02:33,274 --> 01:02:33,514
Speaker 2: Was to.

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Speaker 14: Be tough, to work hard, and to embrace being part

1348
01:02:39,234 --> 01:02:42,034
Speaker 14: of a team and loving being part of a team,

1349
01:02:42,034 --> 01:02:44,234
Speaker 14: and how powerful that can be when you're an only child.

1350
01:02:45,434 --> 01:02:48,153
Speaker 14: Those are probably hard things to understand, but I would

1351
01:02:48,154 --> 01:02:50,194
Speaker 14: tell you that those are things that I built on,

1352
01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:52,354
Speaker 14: that I believe in that I want to try to

1353
01:02:52,674 --> 01:02:55,514
Speaker 14: put as many people in this building and around our

1354
01:02:55,554 --> 01:02:58,874
Speaker 14: players that are like that, so I thank them. I

1355
01:02:58,954 --> 01:03:01,554
Speaker 14: want to thank Robert and Jonathan and Daniel and the

1356
01:03:01,714 --> 01:03:06,794
Speaker 14: entire Craft family not only for the time that I

1357
01:03:06,834 --> 01:03:10,073
Speaker 14: spent here as a player, but the experience a year

1358
01:03:10,114 --> 01:03:12,994
Speaker 14: and a half ago that Robert mentioned with the Hall

1359
01:03:13,034 --> 01:03:17,714
Speaker 14: of Fame, just the class that they showed myself, my family,

1360
01:03:17,834 --> 01:03:22,274
Speaker 14: my friends, the people that came. You know, I think

1361
01:03:22,314 --> 01:03:25,794
Speaker 14: the biggest one of the biggest groups like to thank

1362
01:03:25,794 --> 01:03:28,354
Speaker 14: are the players that have impacted me along the way

1363
01:03:28,994 --> 01:03:32,394
Speaker 14: from Ohio State that when I didn't know what I

1364
01:03:32,474 --> 01:03:35,834
Speaker 14: was doing, I had no idea. I just try to

1365
01:03:35,874 --> 01:03:39,714
Speaker 14: figure it out as I went along to the ones

1366
01:03:39,714 --> 01:03:43,394
Speaker 14: that I had in Houston to the ones in Tennessee.

1367
01:03:44,394 --> 01:03:47,514
Speaker 14: Robert mentioned that we won twelve games in two thousand

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01:03:47,554 --> 01:03:50,434
Speaker 14: and one. We played ninety one players, and they all

1369
01:03:51,754 --> 01:03:54,114
Speaker 14: cared about the team immensely. They would do whatever it

1370
01:03:54,154 --> 01:03:58,354
Speaker 14: took for the team to win. And with that, the

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Speaker 14: coaches that have impacted me along the way, my high

1372
01:04:00,794 --> 01:04:04,234
Speaker 14: school football coach Jerry Reardon, I think I've had a

1373
01:04:04,274 --> 01:04:08,914
Speaker 14: great opportunity to play for, to coach with, and coach

1374
01:04:09,034 --> 01:04:13,034
Speaker 14: for some unbelievable mentors people that have helped shape me,

1375
01:04:13,754 --> 01:04:21,193
Speaker 14: from John Cooper, Bill Cower, John Mitchell, Romeo Cornell, Bill

1376
01:04:21,234 --> 01:04:27,914
Speaker 14: Belichick and the multiple coaches that were here to to

1377
01:04:27,914 --> 01:04:31,994
Speaker 14: to Luke Fickle, to Urban Meyer, to Bill O'Brien, who

1378
01:04:33,554 --> 01:04:36,034
Speaker 14: who you know, held up his end of the bargain

1379
01:04:36,074 --> 01:04:38,474
Speaker 14: when he asked me to come to the Houston Texans

1380
01:04:38,514 --> 01:04:39,954
Speaker 14: with him. He said, I'm going to do everything I

1381
01:04:39,994 --> 01:04:41,554
Speaker 14: can to get you ready to be a head coach.

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01:04:42,194 --> 01:04:42,314
Speaker 10: Uh.

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Speaker 14: He did that, and he's a he's a great friend,

1384
01:04:44,714 --> 01:04:47,633
Speaker 14: and I'm going to support Billy every way I can

1385
01:04:47,754 --> 01:04:52,114
Speaker 14: up the road at Chestnut Hill. So you know, the

1386
01:04:52,154 --> 01:04:56,834
Speaker 14: assistant coaches that have, you know, held me accountable to

1387
01:04:57,194 --> 01:05:00,994
Speaker 14: leading the team sometimes when you know when you're not

1388
01:05:01,154 --> 01:05:04,154
Speaker 14: right or you need somebody to say, hey, there's another way.

1389
01:05:04,434 --> 01:05:07,154
Speaker 14: And I want to thank those coaches because to be

1390
01:05:07,194 --> 01:05:10,554
Speaker 14: in this situation you need so many people around you

1391
01:05:11,074 --> 01:05:15,474
Speaker 14: and you put in place to to help the players.

1392
01:05:15,874 --> 01:05:17,514
Speaker 14: I want to thank the teams that were, you know,

1393
01:05:17,994 --> 01:05:21,354
Speaker 14: willing to meet with me through this process to give

1394
01:05:21,354 --> 01:05:25,034
Speaker 14: me an opportunity to potentially lead their team. But in

1395
01:05:25,074 --> 01:05:27,794
Speaker 14: the end, you know, it was clear to me and

1396
01:05:27,874 --> 01:05:31,034
Speaker 14: to my family and my soul that this was the

1397
01:05:31,034 --> 01:05:34,834
Speaker 14: place that I wanted to be. And I think Robert,

1398
01:05:34,834 --> 01:05:41,754
Speaker 14: and I think the Craft family, you know, excited, excited

1399
01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:43,634
Speaker 14: to get to work, Excited to meet the people in

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01:05:43,674 --> 01:05:48,234
Speaker 14: this building that have made this play special, find out

1401
01:05:48,234 --> 01:05:50,073
Speaker 14: what they need, find out how I can help them,

1402
01:05:50,834 --> 01:05:53,154
Speaker 14: how I can help them do their job better, how

1403
01:05:53,154 --> 01:05:55,874
Speaker 14: we can enhance the stuff that we do well, and

1404
01:05:55,914 --> 01:05:58,714
Speaker 14: then find out what the areas of focus are and

1405
01:05:58,794 --> 01:06:03,874
Speaker 14: get to work. I want to galvanize our football team.

1406
01:06:03,994 --> 01:06:07,234
Speaker 14: I want to galvanize this building. I want to gualvanize

1407
01:06:07,234 --> 01:06:10,074
Speaker 14: our fans. And the most important thing are the players.

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01:06:10,074 --> 01:06:12,634
Speaker 14: There's some of them right here. I want to provide

1409
01:06:12,634 --> 01:06:18,834
Speaker 14: a program that provides their ownership but also their accountability

1410
01:06:18,834 --> 01:06:21,594
Speaker 14: of each other, and one that they'll be proud to

1411
01:06:21,914 --> 01:06:23,954
Speaker 14: be a part of and that they're going to fight for.

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01:06:25,954 --> 01:06:27,594
Speaker 14: You know, you guys are going to ask me questions

1413
01:06:27,594 --> 01:06:31,674
Speaker 14: about culture, which I'll be happy to talk about and discuss.

1414
01:06:32,274 --> 01:06:34,633
Speaker 14: One thing I've realized about culture is that you can

1415
01:06:34,674 --> 01:06:37,034
Speaker 14: find out what your culture looks like when your family,

1416
01:06:37,074 --> 01:06:39,874
Speaker 14: your business, or your team is that it's low point.

1417
01:06:40,154 --> 01:06:43,434
Speaker 14: It's not when you're winning Super bowls, or it's not

1418
01:06:43,474 --> 01:06:46,714
Speaker 14: when you're seven and one or ten and one, because

1419
01:06:46,754 --> 01:06:49,754
Speaker 14: then then everybody's waving towels and everybody's happy and they're

1420
01:06:49,754 --> 01:06:51,914
Speaker 14: excited to come to work. But when you get hit

1421
01:06:51,954 --> 01:06:54,314
Speaker 14: in the mouth, or you're down, or the chips are

1422
01:06:54,314 --> 01:06:56,874
Speaker 14: against you, you know, then you can take a snapshot

1423
01:06:56,954 --> 01:06:58,794
Speaker 14: of what your company or your team looks like, and

1424
01:06:58,834 --> 01:07:00,554
Speaker 14: then you'll find out what kind of culture you have.

1425
01:07:01,314 --> 01:07:04,314
Speaker 14: But that culture is going to be built on winning,

1426
01:07:04,794 --> 01:07:09,434
Speaker 14: a competitive spirit throughout our roster, throughout our players, and

1427
01:07:09,434 --> 01:07:12,714
Speaker 14: throughout our coaches and our staff, and the ability to

1428
01:07:13,114 --> 01:07:16,994
Speaker 14: put the team first and care about somebody other than yourself.

1429
01:07:17,634 --> 01:07:20,514
Speaker 14: And I'm excited to do that. I'm excited to get

1430
01:07:20,514 --> 01:07:24,594
Speaker 14: to work. But everything and everyone in this building is

1431
01:07:24,594 --> 01:07:26,954
Speaker 14: going to under stand and believe that their job is

1432
01:07:27,314 --> 01:07:31,594
Speaker 14: critically important uh for our success, and it's going to

1433
01:07:31,634 --> 01:07:34,354
Speaker 14: be you know, how can I help you in order

1434
01:07:34,394 --> 01:07:37,994
Speaker 14: to help the players. Our players will respect and they

1435
01:07:37,994 --> 01:07:40,634
Speaker 14: will appreciate and they will be grateful for the opportunity

1436
01:07:40,674 --> 01:07:42,194
Speaker 14: that they have here. And the people that work in

1437
01:07:42,194 --> 01:07:46,274
Speaker 14: this building some some very familiar faces that I can't

1438
01:07:46,314 --> 01:07:49,954
Speaker 14: wait to reconnect and to work and figure out how

1439
01:07:49,954 --> 01:07:52,954
Speaker 14: we help these players in this football team, and we're

1440
01:07:52,994 --> 01:07:55,394
Speaker 14: going to earn the right to be here every day.

1441
01:07:56,074 --> 01:08:00,834
Speaker 14: We're gonna removeing uh entitlement from from our football team.

1442
01:08:01,314 --> 01:08:05,193
Speaker 14: We're gonna we're gonna get everything that we've earned from

1443
01:08:05,274 --> 01:08:08,234
Speaker 14: from the head coach to the position coaches all the

1444
01:08:08,274 --> 01:08:10,434
Speaker 14: way down to the players. We're going to earn the

1445
01:08:10,514 --> 01:08:14,634
Speaker 14: right to be here every single day. You know, I

1446
01:08:14,634 --> 01:08:16,794
Speaker 14: always say that I don't want to get into too

1447
01:08:16,794 --> 01:08:21,194
Speaker 14: many messages that will be geared for the players, you know,

1448
01:08:21,234 --> 01:08:26,834
Speaker 14: but I hold those those conversations. Those are special conversations

1449
01:08:26,874 --> 01:08:29,274
Speaker 14: between the coaches and the players. But you know, we

1450
01:08:29,314 --> 01:08:31,394
Speaker 14: want to treat every player the same way they treat

1451
01:08:31,394 --> 01:08:34,194
Speaker 14: the team, and we want to treat every employee the

1452
01:08:34,234 --> 01:08:36,234
Speaker 14: same way that they treat the team. And if they

1453
01:08:36,274 --> 01:08:39,114
Speaker 14: care about the team and they come here with a

1454
01:08:39,154 --> 01:08:41,874
Speaker 14: great attitude and a willingness to work and help the team,

1455
01:08:42,114 --> 01:08:45,194
Speaker 14: I've asked Robert to do everything that we can for

1456
01:08:45,314 --> 01:08:49,514
Speaker 14: them to support them and their families. That's the type

1457
01:08:49,514 --> 01:08:51,674
Speaker 14: of environment that I want to build.

1458
01:08:55,834 --> 01:08:57,874
Speaker 13: And now, great moments in.

1459
01:09:00,194 --> 01:09:02,514
Speaker 11: History, I just don't want to race out to a

1460
01:09:02,634 --> 01:09:06,994
Speaker 11: lead and you know, get your whole right touchdown you know,

1461
01:09:07,074 --> 01:09:11,434
Speaker 11: fourth quarter, you're up like fourteen, or that touchdown touchdown

1462
01:09:11,674 --> 01:09:12,554
Speaker 11: like a no.

1463
01:09:13,314 --> 01:09:14,914
Speaker 3: And that's what he's done to so many teams.

1464
01:09:14,954 --> 01:09:18,154
Speaker 11: And you understand how maddening it is when you think

1465
01:09:18,194 --> 01:09:19,834
Speaker 11: you got them the whole game and then all of

1466
01:09:19,834 --> 01:09:21,434
Speaker 11: a sudden, it just clicks and it's like, oh, they

1467
01:09:21,474 --> 01:09:23,274
Speaker 11: just want berserker mode and you can't stop them.

1468
01:09:23,514 --> 01:09:25,914
Speaker 3: Scracks me up. I just want to have a lead

1469
01:09:25,994 --> 01:09:26,994
Speaker 3: and have him break my heart.

1470
01:09:28,194 --> 01:09:29,634
Speaker 2: I don't want to go through another.

1471
01:09:33,754 --> 01:09:35,754
Speaker 3: You're gonna see me kidnapping him after the game, like

1472
01:09:35,754 --> 01:09:41,234
Speaker 3: bringing him back what we are on the radio.

1473
01:09:41,594 --> 01:09:43,954
Speaker 4: That's another great moment from.

1474
01:09:46,674 --> 01:09:47,314
Speaker 2: What did I say?

1475
01:09:47,354 --> 01:09:48,034
Speaker 3: I don't know, I was.

1476
01:09:48,194 --> 01:09:50,114
Speaker 2: I wasn't really listen. You said you give your left

1477
01:09:50,194 --> 01:09:52,234
Speaker 2: nut for a twelve and four seasons. Well, you have

1478
01:09:52,274 --> 01:09:53,954
Speaker 2: a coach who said he'd do worse if you want

1479
01:09:53,954 --> 01:09:57,514
Speaker 2: a super Bowl, so right he did. We should have

1480
01:09:57,554 --> 01:10:00,714
Speaker 2: reminded him of that yesterday. I have that knife in

1481
01:10:00,754 --> 01:10:01,594
Speaker 2: my office. I could have.

1482
01:10:01,634 --> 01:10:03,994
Speaker 3: I'm always surprised you didn't, because that's usually top of

1483
01:10:04,034 --> 01:10:04,514
Speaker 3: mind for you.

1484
01:10:04,634 --> 01:10:06,474
Speaker 2: Mike. I'm saving this for when you win your first

1485
01:10:06,474 --> 01:10:11,834
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Let's get back to the emails podcast at

1486
01:10:11,874 --> 01:10:14,794
Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com. Michelle, who loves it when I call

1487
01:10:14,874 --> 01:10:17,914
Speaker 2: her Shilata. Oh nice, yeah, she says.

1488
01:10:17,674 --> 01:10:19,074
Speaker 3: I'm here from Michelle.

1489
01:10:19,354 --> 01:10:21,914
Speaker 2: I'm stoked that Vrabel is the coach. I think that's

1490
01:10:21,914 --> 01:10:25,074
Speaker 2: what the organization needs. It's stability from top to bo

1491
01:10:25,394 --> 01:10:27,954
Speaker 2: him and he'll bring that. And I hear he comes

1492
01:10:28,034 --> 01:10:32,154
Speaker 2: with his own Irdie Adams, John stretched Striker who worked

1493
01:10:32,154 --> 01:10:35,434
Speaker 2: with him in Tennessee. I also think Josh would be

1494
01:10:35,474 --> 01:10:39,314
Speaker 2: great for Drake in more ways than one who's is.

1495
01:10:39,234 --> 01:10:43,434
Speaker 5: Josh Yeah, yeah, his name is starting to go around

1496
01:10:43,474 --> 01:10:44,674
Speaker 5: a little bit. Uh.

1497
01:10:44,714 --> 01:10:47,234
Speaker 7: He was with Rabel and Tennessee.

1498
01:10:47,274 --> 01:10:50,714
Speaker 5: He's in with the Rams this past year working with

1499
01:10:50,834 --> 01:10:56,354
Speaker 5: McVeigh and he is Rabel's clock management guru. You know

1500
01:10:56,474 --> 01:11:01,794
Speaker 5: his Evan Rothstein has Ernie Adams, so Paul sitting right here.

1501
01:11:01,794 --> 01:11:02,514
Speaker 2: I don't why.

1502
01:11:02,434 --> 01:11:07,114
Speaker 5: Why I don't I don't know. I don't know. If

1503
01:11:07,154 --> 01:11:09,194
Speaker 5: you know that's as easy as like I'm gonna go

1504
01:11:09,394 --> 01:11:11,354
Speaker 5: with Mike in New England or what.

1505
01:11:11,554 --> 01:11:14,314
Speaker 7: But he's currently on the right striker.

1506
01:11:15,354 --> 01:11:19,074
Speaker 3: You know what I would do. I would chill like

1507
01:11:19,114 --> 01:11:20,194
Speaker 3: Micha wuld be like do you need to call a

1508
01:11:20,234 --> 01:11:20,594
Speaker 3: time out?

1509
01:11:21,914 --> 01:11:25,794
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I don't know because it comes to naturally

1510
01:11:25,794 --> 01:11:28,074
Speaker 2: to you. But in the moment like that first time,

1511
01:11:28,794 --> 01:11:31,194
Speaker 2: would you have the handle on the clock like you

1512
01:11:31,234 --> 01:11:32,474
Speaker 2: do when you're talking here.

1513
01:11:32,994 --> 01:11:36,914
Speaker 3: I'm sure I wouldn't. There are plenty of times that

1514
01:11:36,954 --> 01:11:38,794
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh, that was a weird time, and

1515
01:11:38,794 --> 01:11:41,394
Speaker 3: then you think about it afterwards, you like, but I

1516
01:11:41,394 --> 01:11:43,794
Speaker 3: would also do this if I was actually you know,

1517
01:11:43,834 --> 01:11:46,194
Speaker 3: this is kind of like Evan's version of if we

1518
01:11:46,194 --> 01:11:48,114
Speaker 3: were actually in the roles that people make fun of

1519
01:11:48,194 --> 01:11:51,274
Speaker 3: us about, right, I would actually have the math committed

1520
01:11:51,274 --> 01:11:54,994
Speaker 3: to memory, which I don't right now. You know, in

1521
01:11:55,114 --> 01:11:58,714
Speaker 3: terms of minute thirty two, you know, it takes x

1522
01:11:58,714 --> 01:12:01,674
Speaker 3: amount of seconds to do these two plays and the

1523
01:12:01,714 --> 01:12:04,074
Speaker 3: different plays that you would run, Like, I don't know all.

1524
01:12:03,954 --> 01:12:06,154
Speaker 2: That you need all the scenarios, right.

1525
01:12:05,994 --> 01:12:08,634
Speaker 3: But those guys should have all of that committed to memory.

1526
01:12:08,834 --> 01:12:10,874
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about how much time it takes

1527
01:12:11,394 --> 01:12:13,674
Speaker 3: on a completed pass over the middle to run the

1528
01:12:13,714 --> 01:12:15,834
Speaker 3: team off the field. It's fourth down, you got to

1529
01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:19,034
Speaker 3: kick the field goal. You know, people you know, like

1530
01:12:19,714 --> 01:12:23,954
Speaker 3: seventeen second, sixteen nineteen, like somewhere in that area. You know,

1531
01:12:24,034 --> 01:12:27,514
Speaker 3: the sort of fire drill of going on and off

1532
01:12:27,954 --> 01:12:30,154
Speaker 3: the other day. What was the game that they were

1533
01:12:30,394 --> 01:12:34,914
Speaker 3: that really got under my skin, all of them? Yeah, Tooche,

1534
01:12:36,554 --> 01:12:41,034
Speaker 3: Mike knows me so well. No, Turrico, I think it

1535
01:12:41,154 --> 01:12:44,994
Speaker 3: was was like you know, yeah, I think it was

1536
01:12:45,034 --> 01:12:47,794
Speaker 3: the Tampa Bay Washington game. It was Tariko And it's

1537
01:12:47,834 --> 01:12:50,714
Speaker 3: like they got the ball at like the ten yard line.

1538
01:12:51,714 --> 01:12:54,074
Speaker 3: They wanted to save the time out so they could

1539
01:12:54,074 --> 01:12:56,354
Speaker 3: do different things. Now that puts the run in the

1540
01:12:56,394 --> 01:12:59,154
Speaker 3: pass and play. They're at like the ten yard line,

1541
01:12:59,154 --> 01:13:01,674
Speaker 3: You're gonna have three plays in the end zone. There

1542
01:13:01,714 --> 01:13:03,754
Speaker 3: was like they let it run down to like sixteen

1543
01:13:03,794 --> 01:13:06,954
Speaker 3: seconds and then they eventually called time out because I

1544
01:13:06,994 --> 01:13:08,754
Speaker 3: think they wanted to get the play right. Well they

1545
01:13:08,834 --> 01:13:13,154
Speaker 3: lost ten seconds. Oh no, And I'm like, you're at

1546
01:13:13,194 --> 01:13:15,474
Speaker 3: like the eight yard line, you have sixteen seconds left,

1547
01:13:15,474 --> 01:13:16,874
Speaker 3: you have three plays in the end zone. If you

1548
01:13:16,914 --> 01:13:18,794
Speaker 3: don't get it, you're gonna kick a field goal. Time's

1549
01:13:18,834 --> 01:13:21,314
Speaker 3: not going to be a factor here, right, Like that's

1550
01:13:21,354 --> 01:13:22,794
Speaker 3: the kind of stuff I don't need to.

1551
01:13:22,714 --> 01:13:24,234
Speaker 2: Think it's gonna be.

1552
01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:28,394
Speaker 3: You know, you know it turned out to them, but

1553
01:13:28,474 --> 01:13:30,434
Speaker 3: I think it should come natural to anybody who can

1554
01:13:30,634 --> 01:13:31,394
Speaker 3: actually count.

1555
01:13:31,514 --> 01:13:31,754
Speaker 2: Well.

1556
01:13:31,994 --> 01:13:34,594
Speaker 3: Plus I think to me, like I don't think it's

1557
01:13:34,594 --> 01:13:37,274
Speaker 3: ad like, I'm not trying to be like sort of

1558
01:13:37,474 --> 01:13:39,754
Speaker 3: like self deprecating. I don't think it's a difficult thing.

1559
01:13:40,314 --> 01:13:42,714
Speaker 3: But none of the announcers seem to understand, Like.

1560
01:13:42,674 --> 01:13:45,034
Speaker 2: In my head, I can. I can clearly see and

1561
01:13:45,154 --> 01:13:46,954
Speaker 2: it would be a lot of work how you could

1562
01:13:46,994 --> 01:13:48,874
Speaker 2: create the formula, you know.

1563
01:13:49,314 --> 01:13:51,714
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure Ernie Adams has a formula.

1564
01:13:51,754 --> 01:13:54,594
Speaker 3: I'm sure Bill Pricels used, you know, the whole the

1565
01:13:54,634 --> 01:13:56,474
Speaker 3: card when to go for two? It's my car. Well,

1566
01:13:56,474 --> 01:13:58,554
Speaker 3: how do you know it's my card? They do, They

1567
01:13:58,554 --> 01:14:00,914
Speaker 3: have formulas.

1568
01:13:59,834 --> 01:14:03,314
Speaker 2: But like the conditions change and those are the variables.

1569
01:14:03,314 --> 01:14:07,034
Speaker 2: But you plug just those variables into the constant and

1570
01:14:07,074 --> 01:14:09,354
Speaker 2: you get your answer, you know, right.

1571
01:14:09,514 --> 01:14:12,994
Speaker 3: And you know that particular situation ended up being a

1572
01:14:13,194 --> 01:14:15,274
Speaker 3: point because the first play they got a pass interference

1573
01:14:15,314 --> 01:14:16,834
Speaker 3: in the end zone, so the ball went to the

1574
01:14:16,834 --> 01:14:18,834
Speaker 3: one yard line and they just they threw it into

1575
01:14:18,874 --> 01:14:21,874
Speaker 3: Mike Evans. But the amount of times you watch a

1576
01:14:21,914 --> 01:14:26,194
Speaker 3: game and the play by play guy is sort of

1577
01:14:26,194 --> 01:14:30,634
Speaker 3: incredulous with how methodical an offense is being. You know,

1578
01:14:30,954 --> 01:14:33,434
Speaker 3: there's thirty five seconds left running clock, they're out, Like

1579
01:14:33,434 --> 01:14:36,914
Speaker 3: the thirty five yard because there's no urgency, buddy, You're

1580
01:14:36,914 --> 01:14:39,794
Speaker 3: either going to continue to move the ball and score

1581
01:14:39,954 --> 01:14:41,754
Speaker 3: or you're gonna kick a field goal and take the

1582
01:14:41,794 --> 01:14:44,274
Speaker 3: rest of the time of the half off. You know,

1583
01:14:44,434 --> 01:14:47,554
Speaker 3: it's not that hard. The Penn State Notre Dame game,

1584
01:14:48,474 --> 01:14:49,754
Speaker 3: did you watch the end of that game?

1585
01:14:49,874 --> 01:14:50,114
Speaker 2: Yep.

1586
01:14:50,714 --> 01:14:53,434
Speaker 3: Greg McElroy lost his ever loving mind at the end

1587
01:14:53,434 --> 01:14:53,874
Speaker 3: of that game.

1588
01:14:53,954 --> 01:14:55,874
Speaker 5: Did you watch this, Yes, but he like messed up,

1589
01:14:55,914 --> 01:14:57,954
Speaker 5: like he like well three.

1590
01:14:57,754 --> 01:15:02,114
Speaker 3: Times out like again, not hard things, Like for some

1591
01:15:02,154 --> 01:15:05,514
Speaker 3: reason they threw a little pass on third down which

1592
01:15:05,554 --> 01:15:08,194
Speaker 3: got him like inside the twenty, made it an easy

1593
01:15:08,194 --> 01:15:11,114
Speaker 3: field goal. There's like twenty five seconds left, and for

1594
01:15:11,114 --> 01:15:13,234
Speaker 3: some reason Notre Name ran to the line and spiked it.

1595
01:15:13,754 --> 01:15:16,474
Speaker 3: Sean McDonough, who's the play by play guy, not the analyst,

1596
01:15:16,554 --> 01:15:19,634
Speaker 3: he immediately says, I'm not really sure why they spiked

1597
01:15:19,674 --> 01:15:24,034
Speaker 3: the ball there, which anybody watching with a pulse said

1598
01:15:24,034 --> 01:15:27,274
Speaker 3: the same thing. Let the clock run down. If you

1599
01:15:27,354 --> 01:15:29,714
Speaker 3: want to make a snap, move the ball in the

1600
01:15:29,954 --> 01:15:33,674
Speaker 3: area of the field that's best for your kicker. Whatever,

1601
01:15:33,874 --> 01:15:36,154
Speaker 3: they had timeouts, there was no need to spike the ball,

1602
01:15:37,274 --> 01:15:39,634
Speaker 3: and McElroy says, well, you know you don't want to

1603
01:15:39,834 --> 01:15:41,474
Speaker 3: be in a situation where you have to rush the

1604
01:15:41,474 --> 01:15:46,354
Speaker 3: field goal. You know, Greg, they have two timeouts. You

1605
01:15:46,434 --> 01:15:48,754
Speaker 3: have the ability to stop the clock anytime you want.

1606
01:15:49,674 --> 01:15:53,234
Speaker 3: You don't need to spike the ball and waste to play. Plus,

1607
01:15:53,274 --> 01:15:54,594
Speaker 3: I don't know why you would want to stop the

1608
01:15:54,634 --> 01:15:56,594
Speaker 3: clock in the first place. That allowed Penn State to

1609
01:15:56,634 --> 01:15:59,594
Speaker 3: then take two timeouts. And I know there was only

1610
01:15:59,754 --> 01:16:02,754
Speaker 3: like eight seconds left, but Notre Dame should have kicked

1611
01:16:02,754 --> 01:16:05,154
Speaker 3: that game winning field goal with two seconds left and

1612
01:16:05,194 --> 01:16:07,514
Speaker 3: time should have expired. They shouldn't have had to kick

1613
01:16:07,554 --> 01:16:12,034
Speaker 3: off and worry about two Hail Mary's. And Greg McElroy

1614
01:16:12,114 --> 01:16:14,714
Speaker 3: is still baffled and befuddled by the whole thing. A,

1615
01:16:14,754 --> 01:16:16,754
Speaker 3: my wrong, you watched it right now, you're right.

1616
01:16:16,794 --> 01:16:18,794
Speaker 5: I mean he messed up multiple times. I can't remember

1617
01:16:18,794 --> 01:16:21,194
Speaker 5: the exact instances, but I remember that one. And there

1618
01:16:21,234 --> 01:16:21,954
Speaker 5: was another one.

1619
01:16:21,914 --> 01:16:25,153
Speaker 3: I'm not even counting when he said, you go aggressive

1620
01:16:25,274 --> 01:16:27,954
Speaker 3: here because Drew Eller has protected the ball so well. Yeah,

1621
01:16:28,154 --> 01:16:30,434
Speaker 3: and then literally the next play he threw a pick.

1622
01:16:30,514 --> 01:16:31,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, that guy stinks.

1623
01:16:31,554 --> 01:16:33,994
Speaker 3: Also ignored the fact that he threw two picks earlier

1624
01:16:33,994 --> 01:16:37,034
Speaker 3: in the game that got overturned by penalties. That were horrific, bad.

1625
01:16:36,794 --> 01:16:41,074
Speaker 5: Plays people by ylor people wonder why, like the league

1626
01:16:41,074 --> 01:16:43,394
Speaker 5: reaches on quarterbacks and then there and then you just

1627
01:16:43,434 --> 01:16:47,994
Speaker 5: watch them swoon over Drew Aller and I'm just like.

1628
01:16:48,074 --> 01:16:49,674
Speaker 3: I told you. Someone said that he would be a

1629
01:16:49,714 --> 01:16:52,114
Speaker 3: top ten pin if he came out, and I should.

1630
01:16:53,074 --> 01:16:54,194
Speaker 3: I don't think he's any good.

1631
01:16:54,394 --> 01:16:56,594
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there there was.

1632
01:16:56,834 --> 01:16:59,314
Speaker 5: So he committed to go back to Penn State before

1633
01:16:59,754 --> 01:17:03,754
Speaker 5: the playoff began, right, and then through back channels or whatever,

1634
01:17:03,834 --> 01:17:06,194
Speaker 5: people were like, you might want to enter the draft,

1635
01:17:06,274 --> 01:17:07,794
Speaker 5: like the league is really really.

1636
01:17:07,674 --> 01:17:08,114
Speaker 14: High on it.

1637
01:17:08,234 --> 01:17:08,954
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the year.

1638
01:17:08,994 --> 01:17:12,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, you might go number one overall. And then he

1639
01:17:12,474 --> 01:17:13,674
Speaker 5: can't hit the broad side of a bar.

1640
01:17:14,114 --> 01:17:17,354
Speaker 2: He was he failed, Yeah, and he choked.

1641
01:17:17,434 --> 01:17:19,154
Speaker 5: And it's not just exact game like a lot of

1642
01:17:19,154 --> 01:17:21,394
Speaker 5: Penn State fans were coming at like just that you

1643
01:17:21,474 --> 01:17:22,474
Speaker 5: watched one game like.

1644
01:17:22,434 --> 01:17:24,034
Speaker 3: No, no, no, Ohio State.

1645
01:17:24,114 --> 01:17:25,234
Speaker 5: Yeah no, I watched all the game.

1646
01:17:25,434 --> 01:17:28,114
Speaker 3: They had every opportunity to beat the the win the

1647
01:17:28,154 --> 01:17:30,474
Speaker 3: Ohio State and they were inside the five multiple he

1648
01:17:30,514 --> 01:17:31,314
Speaker 3: could make a play.

1649
01:17:31,594 --> 01:17:34,914
Speaker 2: Yep. Garyan Harvard rites in let's get back to the

1650
01:17:35,034 --> 01:17:38,274
Speaker 2: emails at podcasts at Patriots dot com said last year

1651
01:17:38,314 --> 01:17:41,234
Speaker 2: the team chose their captains. Should that continue or should

1652
01:17:41,314 --> 01:17:45,474
Speaker 2: Rabel choose them? It's a good question. That's a good question.

1653
01:17:45,514 --> 01:17:49,394
Speaker 8: That's a philosophical question. I think captains or the players choose.

1654
01:17:49,154 --> 01:17:50,834
Speaker 3: To Can I just be that the guys as I

1655
01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:54,274
Speaker 3: think the coach always picks the captains loosely?

1656
01:17:55,034 --> 01:17:57,074
Speaker 8: I think, I mean I have personal experience with that.

1657
01:17:57,114 --> 01:18:00,114
Speaker 3: I would concur if if they picked the wrong guys,

1658
01:18:00,154 --> 01:18:02,514
Speaker 3: they're not going to be the captains. Let's just put

1659
01:18:02,554 --> 01:18:03,594
Speaker 3: it that way.

1660
01:18:03,554 --> 01:18:07,154
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yemmy and Texas rights in, do you agree with

1661
01:18:07,274 --> 01:18:11,194
Speaker 2: me that Justin Herbert is mentally weak? The Chargers were

1662
01:18:11,234 --> 01:18:14,154
Speaker 2: favored to win last week and he couldn't handle the expectations.

1663
01:18:14,154 --> 01:18:17,114
Speaker 2: That first interception he threw was that of a guy

1664
01:18:17,114 --> 01:18:19,714
Speaker 2: who was scared of the moment, just total panic.

1665
01:18:20,274 --> 01:18:22,834
Speaker 3: My fear is, what, what about the first quarter and

1666
01:18:22,874 --> 01:18:26,194
Speaker 3: a half of the game. Wouldn't be afraid of the moment?

1667
01:18:26,234 --> 01:18:27,674
Speaker 3: Then he came out on fire.

1668
01:18:27,834 --> 01:18:30,074
Speaker 2: Maybe the moment wasn't as big then, Okay.

1669
01:18:30,234 --> 01:18:32,074
Speaker 3: So once they were winning the game, the moment got.

1670
01:18:31,994 --> 01:18:34,554
Speaker 2: To My fear is that Drake may is the same.

1671
01:18:35,194 --> 01:18:38,074
Speaker 2: The pick in overtime to lose the Titans game was

1672
01:18:38,114 --> 01:18:40,194
Speaker 2: a guy who panicked and threw down the field for

1673
01:18:40,234 --> 01:18:42,634
Speaker 2: no good reason. Do you share my concern or am

1674
01:18:42,674 --> 01:18:45,474
Speaker 2: I too harsh? Hopefully Rabel can help him with that.

1675
01:18:46,394 --> 01:18:49,754
Speaker 2: I think that's yeah, he was a rookie mistake.

1676
01:18:49,794 --> 01:18:53,074
Speaker 3: But I agree with his Herbert criticism. I think there's

1677
01:18:53,074 --> 01:18:56,834
Speaker 3: something I love justin Herbert. I think there's something destined

1678
01:18:56,874 --> 01:18:58,834
Speaker 3: about him to not win as much as he should.

1679
01:18:59,674 --> 01:19:01,714
Speaker 3: And I don't know why don't. Maybe he's a choker.

1680
01:19:01,714 --> 01:19:02,674
Speaker 3: Maybe the email is right.

1681
01:19:02,754 --> 01:19:04,434
Speaker 5: I have that fear with Drake a little bit too.

1682
01:19:04,594 --> 01:19:06,994
Speaker 8: I think that's reasonable, right, And that's the magic thing

1683
01:19:07,074 --> 01:19:09,074
Speaker 8: you don't know, And that's exactly the opposite of what

1684
01:19:09,114 --> 01:19:11,914
Speaker 8: you have with Brady. Brady had that magic through and through.

1685
01:19:11,954 --> 01:19:13,434
Speaker 8: I mean every time you needed him to come through,

1686
01:19:13,474 --> 01:19:15,514
Speaker 8: he did. And there's no way to look at Brady

1687
01:19:15,514 --> 01:19:17,114
Speaker 8: and I mean, I guess maybe you look at some

1688
01:19:17,154 --> 01:19:19,114
Speaker 8: of his college tape what he did. You know, you

1689
01:19:19,154 --> 01:19:20,714
Speaker 8: can see that in big games he played well.

1690
01:19:20,754 --> 01:19:23,354
Speaker 3: But this is funny. You know, it's hard to predict

1691
01:19:23,434 --> 01:19:26,554
Speaker 3: the Rabel stuff. Yesterday might just be me. You guys

1692
01:19:26,594 --> 01:19:29,314
Speaker 3: can tell me, Oh, Paul, your reaching. There were a

1693
01:19:29,314 --> 01:19:34,074
Speaker 3: lot of questions that sort of led Rabel to the

1694
01:19:34,154 --> 01:19:38,234
Speaker 3: anointing of Drake May, like, you know, like, how important

1695
01:19:38,274 --> 01:19:39,994
Speaker 3: is it to get a you know, an offensive coordinat

1696
01:19:39,994 --> 01:19:41,594
Speaker 3: it's going to work with your young you know, your

1697
01:19:41,674 --> 01:19:43,994
Speaker 3: young ger. And I know that Rabel called him his young,

1698
01:19:44,194 --> 01:19:46,834
Speaker 3: young dynamic quarterback at one point. But there were a

1699
01:19:46,874 --> 01:19:51,394
Speaker 3: lot of questions about May having reached a level that

1700
01:19:51,634 --> 01:19:55,354
Speaker 3: quite frankly, I don't think he's reached. And I wonder

1701
01:19:55,394 --> 01:19:58,153
Speaker 3: how Rabel took all those And I started thinking to myself,

1702
01:19:59,674 --> 01:20:03,794
Speaker 3: some bill two thousand and one bledso vibes two thousand

1703
01:20:03,794 --> 01:20:05,914
Speaker 3: bledso vibes, like, yeah, he's good.

1704
01:20:05,994 --> 01:20:07,514
Speaker 2: Let's wait until he's good.

1705
01:20:07,394 --> 01:20:09,954
Speaker 3: He's the started quarterback. I'll see how he is with me.

1706
01:20:10,234 --> 01:20:13,794
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, And then you know, you know, rabels like that,

1707
01:20:13,874 --> 01:20:16,354
Speaker 3: and I just again, I might be putting too much

1708
01:20:16,394 --> 01:20:19,034
Speaker 3: into it, but I thought there were a handful of

1709
01:20:19,074 --> 01:20:23,874
Speaker 3: questions that, you know, guys, I wanted Drake May. I

1710
01:20:23,874 --> 01:20:26,514
Speaker 3: think Drake May had a good rookie year. Good well,

1711
01:20:26,754 --> 01:20:27,914
Speaker 3: good rookie year.

1712
01:20:28,114 --> 01:20:29,474
Speaker 2: You look at him as a sun.

1713
01:20:30,114 --> 01:20:32,754
Speaker 3: I like him a lot. I know you do because

1714
01:20:32,794 --> 01:20:34,954
Speaker 3: I like this, because I like the skill set.

1715
01:20:35,594 --> 01:20:37,154
Speaker 2: I really like the skills not going to get the

1716
01:20:37,154 --> 01:20:39,514
Speaker 2: star treatment, but bas going to get star treatment.

1717
01:20:39,554 --> 01:20:42,114
Speaker 3: But where I separate from a lot of my colleagues

1718
01:20:42,474 --> 01:20:46,114
Speaker 3: is I didn't see in the twelve games what other

1719
01:20:46,154 --> 01:20:49,434
Speaker 3: people are saying. They saw like there's nothing to worry about.

1720
01:20:49,674 --> 01:20:53,034
Speaker 3: He's the guy. Here we go. I saw what Mike

1721
01:20:53,154 --> 01:20:55,634
Speaker 3: is talking about. There were times that he looked great

1722
01:20:55,674 --> 01:20:57,154
Speaker 3: and there were other times when games were on the

1723
01:20:57,234 --> 01:21:00,194
Speaker 3: line where it didn't look as great. Right, And I

1724
01:21:00,274 --> 01:21:02,674
Speaker 3: want to see how that goes next year. Yeah, before

1725
01:21:02,754 --> 01:21:05,274
Speaker 3: I just say we're all set that spot.

1726
01:21:05,194 --> 01:21:06,594
Speaker 8: Up, you were just so happy to be in the

1727
01:21:06,634 --> 01:21:08,474
Speaker 8: games at that point. Like some of the mistakes you

1728
01:21:08,514 --> 01:21:10,794
Speaker 8: would forgive them, and it's a rookie in but next

1729
01:21:10,834 --> 01:21:11,754
Speaker 8: year the bar raises.

1730
01:21:11,834 --> 01:21:12,434
Speaker 2: That's you know.

1731
01:21:12,874 --> 01:21:15,114
Speaker 3: Don't made me do an exercise that I did with

1732
01:21:15,154 --> 01:21:16,514
Speaker 3: Mac Jones and.

1733
01:21:16,514 --> 01:21:17,634
Speaker 8: Break I would never make you do it.

1734
01:21:17,834 --> 01:21:20,314
Speaker 3: No, no, no, break down the stats in one score games

1735
01:21:20,394 --> 01:21:22,874
Speaker 3: and in multiple score games, because I'll guarantee you the

1736
01:21:22,914 --> 01:21:25,794
Speaker 3: multiple score stats are much better than the ones stats.

1737
01:21:25,914 --> 01:21:28,994
Speaker 5: I think that that's the best answer Rabel gave yesterday

1738
01:21:29,274 --> 01:21:31,234
Speaker 5: was the one about what he's going to do to

1739
01:21:31,234 --> 01:21:34,234
Speaker 5: help Drake May in terms of managing the game and

1740
01:21:34,314 --> 01:21:36,114
Speaker 5: managing situations.

1741
01:21:35,554 --> 01:21:37,874
Speaker 3: Keep him out of those situational.

1742
01:21:37,194 --> 01:21:39,274
Speaker 5: Awareness of where he is on the field and what

1743
01:21:39,314 --> 01:21:41,394
Speaker 5: the score is and all that kind of stuff, so

1744
01:21:41,434 --> 01:21:44,113
Speaker 5: that when they get into an overtime game in Tennessee

1745
01:21:44,394 --> 01:21:46,634
Speaker 5: like they did last year, say to him, hey, we

1746
01:21:46,674 --> 01:21:48,674
Speaker 5: don't need it all in one play, right, Like, you

1747
01:21:48,834 --> 01:21:51,434
Speaker 5: don't don't get greedy here and try to win the

1748
01:21:51,474 --> 01:21:54,714
Speaker 5: game on one throw. You know, let's let's get into

1749
01:21:54,714 --> 01:21:57,074
Speaker 5: the drive, Let's get the ball moving, Let's let's get

1750
01:21:57,114 --> 01:21:59,474
Speaker 5: some things rolling here first. And I think those are

1751
01:21:59,474 --> 01:22:02,674
Speaker 5: the types of little things that Rabel hopefully will be

1752
01:22:02,754 --> 01:22:05,114
Speaker 5: in Drake May's ear about when they start drives, like

1753
01:22:05,154 --> 01:22:08,474
Speaker 5: not calling the plays, but just saying, hey, this is

1754
01:22:08,514 --> 01:22:10,514
Speaker 5: a situation. This is what I need to out of

1755
01:22:10,514 --> 01:22:12,754
Speaker 5: you in this situation, and let's not go for the

1756
01:22:12,794 --> 01:22:13,274
Speaker 5: home run.

1757
01:22:13,994 --> 01:22:17,154
Speaker 2: Chris with a T I A N talking about choking,

1758
01:22:17,594 --> 01:22:20,954
Speaker 2: says not once did Evan mentioned pin Pool yesterday? Moment

1759
01:22:21,034 --> 01:22:22,234
Speaker 2: was too big for the young man.

1760
01:22:23,914 --> 01:22:27,114
Speaker 5: I think I see another one that you know, not

1761
01:22:27,194 --> 01:22:29,674
Speaker 5: ball mill, that's not that's not basic install all right,

1762
01:22:30,154 --> 01:22:31,714
Speaker 5: you go to pin pull in like we two a

1763
01:22:31,794 --> 01:22:36,594
Speaker 5: training camp. Yeah, okay, least.

1764
01:22:37,034 --> 01:22:39,074
Speaker 3: That's not basic install. You got to be a ball

1765
01:22:39,074 --> 01:22:42,954
Speaker 3: in the Okay poll boy, But you know part of

1766
01:22:42,954 --> 01:22:45,034
Speaker 3: that Drake may thing too, And Michael tell you, I'm

1767
01:22:45,034 --> 01:22:47,274
Speaker 3: a broken record on this is like and I believe

1768
01:22:47,274 --> 01:22:51,194
Speaker 3: it started with that bomb in Tennessee. It felt like

1769
01:22:52,914 --> 01:22:56,474
Speaker 3: they stopped throwing the ball downfield as consistently as they did,

1770
01:22:56,474 --> 01:22:58,554
Speaker 3: maybe right away, like I think it's Houston. I think

1771
01:22:58,554 --> 01:23:01,274
Speaker 3: he was throwing it the field, you know. And then

1772
01:23:01,314 --> 01:23:04,434
Speaker 3: it seemed to me like every time they dialed up

1773
01:23:04,474 --> 01:23:06,474
Speaker 3: a shot, he took it, whether it was there or not.

1774
01:23:07,074 --> 01:23:10,234
Speaker 3: And Evan made a good point, it almost always seemed

1775
01:23:10,274 --> 01:23:12,834
Speaker 3: to be to like Kishan Booty who didn't really seem

1776
01:23:12,874 --> 01:23:15,674
Speaker 3: to track those very well and when he was double covered,

1777
01:23:15,754 --> 01:23:19,714
Speaker 3: didn't seem to like fight through to prevent bad plays,

1778
01:23:20,114 --> 01:23:24,034
Speaker 3: you know. But I felt like he got to the point, well,

1779
01:23:24,194 --> 01:23:25,994
Speaker 3: I mean, they never let me throw with bomb, so

1780
01:23:26,514 --> 01:23:29,474
Speaker 3: they dialed up a bomb here, right, you know?

1781
01:23:30,274 --> 01:23:32,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, I uh, you know with Herbert real quick. The

1782
01:23:34,314 --> 01:23:36,674
Speaker 5: I'm not ready to like go there with Herbert yet,

1783
01:23:36,714 --> 01:23:39,634
Speaker 5: because to your point earlier about the Chargers, like I

1784
01:23:39,674 --> 01:23:42,994
Speaker 5: don't think the Chargers were necessarily ready to be where

1785
01:23:42,994 --> 01:23:44,434
Speaker 5: they were, Like, I don't think that.

1786
01:23:44,434 --> 01:23:46,354
Speaker 3: They thought they were better than Houston though, and that

1787
01:23:46,474 --> 01:23:47,474
Speaker 3: was a bad performance.

1788
01:23:47,474 --> 01:23:48,994
Speaker 5: But I don't I didn't think they were going they

1789
01:23:48,994 --> 01:23:49,594
Speaker 5: were ready.

1790
01:23:49,634 --> 01:23:50,914
Speaker 2: Super Bowl was against US.

1791
01:23:52,274 --> 01:23:54,034
Speaker 5: I don't think the roster was ready to go on

1792
01:23:54,074 --> 01:23:56,394
Speaker 5: a run yet, is my point right? Like, I think

1793
01:23:56,394 --> 01:23:59,434
Speaker 5: that they're really truly a year or two away from

1794
01:23:59,514 --> 01:24:01,754
Speaker 5: truly being in that upper enchelon to go on a

1795
01:24:01,754 --> 01:24:04,514
Speaker 5: deeper playoff run. So I'll but I do have that

1796
01:24:04,594 --> 01:24:06,434
Speaker 5: fear with Drake May that he's going to look good,

1797
01:24:06,674 --> 01:24:08,394
Speaker 5: that the stats are going to look good, that he's

1798
01:24:08,394 --> 01:24:11,554
Speaker 5: gonna look flashy. But there's a lot of quarterbacks like that,

1799
01:24:11,674 --> 01:24:16,274
Speaker 5: Herbert Trevor, Lawrence, Matthew, Stafford until he got to the Rams.

1800
01:24:16,274 --> 01:24:18,754
Speaker 3: Like, there's a lot of like quarterbacks that didn't win

1801
01:24:18,874 --> 01:24:22,074
Speaker 3: much that put up really good numbers. And I don't

1802
01:24:22,114 --> 01:24:25,194
Speaker 3: necessarily think Drake May is one of those. But I mean,

1803
01:24:25,434 --> 01:24:29,234
Speaker 3: go back and look at Gardner Minshew's rookie year, like

1804
01:24:29,314 --> 01:24:31,714
Speaker 3: you think, this guy, what's a diamond in the rough?

1805
01:24:32,394 --> 01:24:33,554
Speaker 5: That was a garbage time.

1806
01:24:33,634 --> 01:24:36,154
Speaker 3: I mean all of it was in garbage and people

1807
01:24:36,154 --> 01:24:37,114
Speaker 3: have never realized it.

1808
01:24:37,154 --> 01:24:39,394
Speaker 8: I mean Peyton Manning, you know, I'm not talking about

1809
01:24:39,394 --> 01:24:44,434
Speaker 8: his crappy first year, but dominant record setting playoff you know,

1810
01:24:44,674 --> 01:24:47,834
Speaker 8: sporadic until O six seven years.

1811
01:24:47,914 --> 01:24:49,874
Speaker 2: If Tom Brady was in the league, he'd have about

1812
01:24:49,914 --> 01:24:50,994
Speaker 2: four same with him.

1813
01:24:50,994 --> 01:24:52,434
Speaker 8: I saw an article two with the same thing that

1814
01:24:52,434 --> 01:24:54,354
Speaker 8: Mahomes is doing to some of these teams. Now, where

1815
01:24:54,594 --> 01:24:56,554
Speaker 8: you know, is this going to be Lamar's legacy?

1816
01:24:56,954 --> 01:24:59,514
Speaker 3: And so what I didn't understand about that is like

1817
01:25:01,234 --> 01:25:03,554
Speaker 3: I think they were trying to make an inference that

1818
01:25:03,634 --> 01:25:07,474
Speaker 3: like Peyton Manning's legacy, Like, oh, does Peyton Manning have

1819
01:25:07,514 --> 01:25:09,714
Speaker 3: to put his head down? I know he's Fred's right.

1820
01:25:09,754 --> 01:25:11,874
Speaker 3: He probably would have had a few more if not

1821
01:25:11,954 --> 01:25:14,194
Speaker 3: for Brady, but he beat him a couple of times. Yeah,

1822
01:25:14,674 --> 01:25:17,194
Speaker 3: beat him in the playoffs more than Brady beat him.

1823
01:25:17,234 --> 01:25:19,034
Speaker 3: He was three and two against Brady in the playoffs.

1824
01:25:19,114 --> 01:25:22,234
Speaker 8: Then, like, you know, five hits. The narrative is that, well,

1825
01:25:22,914 --> 01:25:24,474
Speaker 8: it's amazing in the regular season.

1826
01:25:24,274 --> 01:25:26,594
Speaker 3: Who has a regular who has a record of winning

1827
01:25:26,634 --> 01:25:29,594
Speaker 3: record against Brady in the playoffs, I'm going to benure

1828
01:25:29,634 --> 01:25:30,754
Speaker 3: a guess that's the only guy.

1829
01:25:30,794 --> 01:25:34,834
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, but six he shouldn't know that was they

1830
01:25:34,834 --> 01:25:35,634
Speaker 2: stole that game.

1831
01:25:37,034 --> 01:25:43,994
Speaker 3: Well, they pumped in the flu noise. Cheaters, cheaters, Dallas

1832
01:25:44,394 --> 01:25:47,794
Speaker 3: if Dallas Clark, he wouldn't have done a thing if

1833
01:25:47,914 --> 01:25:49,073
Speaker 3: Rodney Harrison wasn't.

1834
01:25:48,994 --> 01:25:54,514
Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison, Jake and Melbourne, Australia. Unlikely scenario, but something

1835
01:25:54,514 --> 01:25:57,914
Speaker 2: to think about. Hypothetical trade between the Patriots and the Cowboys.

1836
01:25:58,394 --> 01:26:02,314
Speaker 3: Cowboy trades Cowboys, hypothetical trade. I'm in Cowboys get our

1837
01:26:02,394 --> 01:26:05,874
Speaker 3: four to get Micah Parsons. Patriots get Parsons in the

1838
01:26:05,914 --> 01:26:08,914
Speaker 3: third round pick. Then the Patriots spend some cap space

1839
01:26:08,994 --> 01:26:14,153
Speaker 3: extend Parsons. The Cowboys get the four for uh Shador

1840
01:26:14,674 --> 01:26:18,394
Speaker 3: and they signed coach Prime. So I would say a

1841
01:26:18,434 --> 01:26:20,474
Speaker 3: couple of things there. Now, how are you, if you're

1842
01:26:20,514 --> 01:26:23,074
Speaker 3: the Cowboys, going to be assured that shud is going

1843
01:26:23,114 --> 01:26:24,114
Speaker 3: to be available at four?

1844
01:26:24,394 --> 01:26:24,634
Speaker 2: Right?

1845
01:26:25,034 --> 01:26:25,154
Speaker 3: Uh?

1846
01:26:25,674 --> 01:26:26,514
Speaker 8: Come together quick?

1847
01:26:26,754 --> 01:26:27,874
Speaker 2: Well if it comes to that.

1848
01:26:28,234 --> 01:26:30,874
Speaker 3: So my guess is that we have a budding thing here.

1849
01:26:30,954 --> 01:26:34,354
Speaker 3: I think that's gonna be a thing until April with

1850
01:26:34,354 --> 01:26:37,514
Speaker 3: with Evan. I don't think there's anything that Evan can

1851
01:26:37,754 --> 01:26:40,194
Speaker 3: take to lose that number four pick.

1852
01:26:40,554 --> 01:26:42,674
Speaker 5: No, I wouldn't say that. I just rolled my eyes.

1853
01:26:42,754 --> 01:26:46,394
Speaker 5: No offence to like Micah Parsons is in the trade,

1854
01:26:46,714 --> 01:26:49,674
Speaker 5: like this guy like Micah Parsons, They're not getting Micah

1855
01:26:49,714 --> 01:26:52,354
Speaker 5: Parsons Like, okay, like you.

1856
01:26:52,754 --> 01:26:54,034
Speaker 3: Know how talk radio works.

1857
01:26:54,114 --> 01:26:56,074
Speaker 5: Let's take Micah Parsons and then maybe we'll call up

1858
01:26:56,074 --> 01:26:58,034
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers and we'll ast for twent Williams

1859
01:26:58,074 --> 01:26:59,714
Speaker 5: and then you know, like, oh the team.

1860
01:27:00,034 --> 01:27:03,954
Speaker 3: That's just silly. He's like MICHAEH. Parsons is in a

1861
01:27:04,034 --> 01:27:08,234
Speaker 3: contract they just resigned that they just resigned CD lamb.

1862
01:27:08,314 --> 01:27:10,674
Speaker 2: Yeah, like maybe there's no way.

1863
01:27:10,714 --> 01:27:13,474
Speaker 5: There's no way saying I'm just saying there's no way

1864
01:27:13,514 --> 01:27:16,034
Speaker 5: that Jerry Jones could possibly afford anything more.

1865
01:27:16,154 --> 01:27:17,274
Speaker 3: Well, he's kind of tighted.

1866
01:27:17,314 --> 01:27:19,274
Speaker 5: I don't know, if you know, he's pretty cheap with players.

1867
01:27:19,554 --> 01:27:22,554
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. Forget about whether or

1868
01:27:22,554 --> 01:27:25,634
Speaker 3: not you think it will happen, because I agree with you. Yeah,

1869
01:27:26,114 --> 01:27:29,514
Speaker 3: would you do that deal Micah Parsons, you know and

1870
01:27:29,914 --> 01:27:32,514
Speaker 3: other stuff? You know, Basically, the trader is Micah Parsions

1871
01:27:32,554 --> 01:27:33,594
Speaker 3: for the fourth overall pick.

1872
01:27:33,634 --> 01:27:36,234
Speaker 2: Do we still I wouldn't do it.

1873
01:27:34,994 --> 01:27:38,674
Speaker 8: It doesn't include that I absolutely would do it, but

1874
01:27:38,754 --> 01:27:40,714
Speaker 8: like you would do it from Micah Parks.

1875
01:27:40,754 --> 01:27:43,194
Speaker 3: Think you're getting a player better than Micah Parsons at four.

1876
01:27:43,954 --> 01:27:45,274
Speaker 7: One of those players in the league.

1877
01:27:46,314 --> 01:27:49,754
Speaker 2: I just know he's a great player. Is he really is?

1878
01:27:50,394 --> 01:27:51,354
Speaker 3: I would I would do that.

1879
01:27:51,434 --> 01:27:53,474
Speaker 5: The only player that I think I've ever heard Bill

1880
01:27:53,594 --> 01:27:58,474
Speaker 5: say Lawrence Taylor maybe maybe like actually put him in

1881
01:27:58,554 --> 01:28:02,874
Speaker 5: the same category as as like Lawrence Taylor. I think Michaeh.

1882
01:28:02,914 --> 01:28:04,554
Speaker 5: Parson is the only guy I've ever heard him do

1883
01:28:04,634 --> 01:28:08,074
Speaker 5: that with. And I'd say it a lot. I but

1884
01:28:08,314 --> 01:28:10,554
Speaker 5: I I just all the I'm sorry, I don't mean

1885
01:28:10,554 --> 01:28:12,954
Speaker 5: to like come at emailers and stuff, but like when

1886
01:28:12,994 --> 01:28:15,594
Speaker 5: we get emails, it's like, well, what if the Raiders

1887
01:28:15,594 --> 01:28:18,594
Speaker 5: trade us brock Bauers and the sixth overall pick for

1888
01:28:18,714 --> 01:28:19,634
Speaker 5: four in this And.

1889
01:28:19,594 --> 01:28:24,474
Speaker 3: That's a little different, like it was coming off his

1890
01:28:24,554 --> 01:28:27,874
Speaker 3: rookie why with the Raiders, Like there's an answer to

1891
01:28:27,914 --> 01:28:31,074
Speaker 3: the question as to why the trade Parsons. They don't

1892
01:28:31,074 --> 01:28:35,554
Speaker 3: think they can resign the neighbors And again that's not

1893
01:28:35,674 --> 01:28:40,074
Speaker 3: the same I'm with you. Email what's the emailer's name for, Jake? Jake,

1894
01:28:40,274 --> 01:28:44,354
Speaker 3: I'm not you keep those hypothetical trades coming in. We'll

1895
01:28:44,434 --> 01:28:47,314
Speaker 3: let you know when there's absolutely no possibility. There's absolutely

1896
01:28:47,314 --> 01:28:49,794
Speaker 3: no possibility. I disagree. I think there's a chance that

1897
01:28:49,874 --> 01:28:51,554
Speaker 3: someone could trade for Michael Parsons.

1898
01:28:52,474 --> 01:28:55,434
Speaker 2: The other thing about why don't we get Miles do is?

1899
01:28:55,874 --> 01:28:59,474
Speaker 2: Let's let's say that. Let's say Jerry signs Dion, So

1900
01:28:59,554 --> 01:29:02,594
Speaker 2: Dion in two weeks from now is the head coach

1901
01:29:02,634 --> 01:29:06,154
Speaker 2: of the Dallas Cowboys. He's gonna watch the door sand.

1902
01:29:06,034 --> 01:29:07,394
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you know, but he hates

1903
01:29:07,434 --> 01:29:10,434
Speaker 3: Penn State. Okay, Deon Sanders hates Penning.

1904
01:29:10,634 --> 01:29:12,954
Speaker 5: So he's gonna trade trade Michael Persons.

1905
01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:16,514
Speaker 2: Okay, so he's gonna want this guy. Is there a

1906
01:29:16,594 --> 01:29:22,354
Speaker 2: chance that no matter who drafts Sanders, they refuse to

1907
01:29:22,394 --> 01:29:24,994
Speaker 2: go there? And you have an Eli Mannings.

1908
01:29:25,434 --> 01:29:30,874
Speaker 3: You see when rand Catherine got fire, Dion like retweeted

1909
01:29:30,874 --> 01:29:34,314
Speaker 3: with the eyeballs. Oh yeah, so like that told me

1910
01:29:34,394 --> 01:29:37,994
Speaker 3: like you just lost any opportunity you had to getting Sanders.

1911
01:29:38,114 --> 01:29:40,114
Speaker 7: I would say the Browns are in that category.

1912
01:29:40,154 --> 01:29:43,194
Speaker 5: Two. Oh, I don't think Sanders is going to the Cleveland.

1913
01:29:42,874 --> 01:29:45,794
Speaker 3: Browns, which is another reason why Jake is sort of

1914
01:29:45,954 --> 01:29:47,994
Speaker 3: he might be on reading the tea leaves and saying

1915
01:29:47,994 --> 01:29:50,394
Speaker 3: maybe maybe will be available.

1916
01:29:50,514 --> 01:29:56,074
Speaker 5: He's onto something that I jokingly, half jokingly put that

1917
01:29:56,114 --> 01:29:58,594
Speaker 5: out there last night when the Shador Sanders thing came

1918
01:29:58,794 --> 01:30:04,074
Speaker 5: to be, Sanders came one point four for one point

1919
01:30:04,114 --> 01:30:07,954
Speaker 5: twelve and extra extract from Dallas's side that those trades

1920
01:30:07,954 --> 01:30:10,354
Speaker 5: have been done before. You know, the Texans just did it,

1921
01:30:10,474 --> 01:30:12,954
Speaker 5: uh for Will Anderson a couple of years ago. So

1922
01:30:13,034 --> 01:30:15,434
Speaker 5: I put out the exact same package that they got,

1923
01:30:16,074 --> 01:30:18,634
Speaker 5: you know, in exchange for that pick when they traded

1924
01:30:18,674 --> 01:30:19,954
Speaker 5: back up to get Will Anderson.

1925
01:30:20,274 --> 01:30:21,994
Speaker 7: It's just not going to include Michael Parsons.

1926
01:30:22,154 --> 01:30:24,714
Speaker 5: Like, it's not. It's not going to include my Parsons.

1927
01:30:24,794 --> 01:30:26,394
Speaker 3: It's not. Don't let him shout you down.

1928
01:30:26,674 --> 01:30:29,994
Speaker 2: But in his scenario, we don't get Dallas's first you

1929
01:30:30,074 --> 01:30:31,554
Speaker 2: know that, right, Yeah, but it's.

1930
01:30:31,474 --> 01:30:36,754
Speaker 5: Not They're they're not trading Michael Parsons. Okay, period, Like

1931
01:30:37,034 --> 01:30:40,514
Speaker 5: when does that happen? Like besides receivers, because he.

1932
01:30:40,594 --> 01:30:42,954
Speaker 2: Traded Richard Seymour for first Yeah, when he was at

1933
01:30:42,994 --> 01:30:43,514
Speaker 2: the end of his.

1934
01:30:44,634 --> 01:30:49,634
Speaker 3: So when didn't Khalil Mack go from from Chicago ye

1935
01:30:50,474 --> 01:30:52,394
Speaker 3: to the Raiders, not like in the in the prime

1936
01:30:52,434 --> 01:30:55,234
Speaker 3: of his career, like defensive player of the year type player.

1937
01:30:55,394 --> 01:30:58,554
Speaker 5: Okay, right, that was that an example eight years ago?

1938
01:30:58,634 --> 01:31:01,634
Speaker 3: But all right, so why can't it happen again? Because

1939
01:31:01,834 --> 01:31:04,354
Speaker 3: when does when did I just I just think it's

1940
01:31:04,354 --> 01:31:08,114
Speaker 3: dismissing something that actually isn't out of the realm of possibility.

1941
01:31:08,634 --> 01:31:11,554
Speaker 3: Obviously we'd be surprised if a trade of that magnitude happened.

1942
01:31:11,594 --> 01:31:14,434
Speaker 3: But it's not the same as brock Bauers or elite

1943
01:31:14,474 --> 01:31:18,194
Speaker 3: neighbors coming off their rookie years. Why why would teams

1944
01:31:18,194 --> 01:31:20,954
Speaker 3: want to trade those guys like like that doesn't make

1945
01:31:20,994 --> 01:31:23,914
Speaker 3: any sense, Like we had someone that wanted to wanted

1946
01:31:23,914 --> 01:31:26,914
Speaker 3: to trade Joe Joe Milton from aligue aipors.

1947
01:31:27,914 --> 01:31:30,594
Speaker 5: Like that is when it comes to like those types

1948
01:31:30,634 --> 01:31:33,073
Speaker 5: of players, though I'm not talking you know, like Montes

1949
01:31:33,154 --> 01:31:35,914
Speaker 5: Sweat got moved right and and Chase Young got moved

1950
01:31:35,914 --> 01:31:38,714
Speaker 5: when Washington had that little fire sale. We're talking about

1951
01:31:38,714 --> 01:31:41,394
Speaker 5: a different level of player. Really, the only position that

1952
01:31:41,474 --> 01:31:43,874
Speaker 5: I see that happening at his wide receiver, like wide

1953
01:31:43,914 --> 01:31:45,193
Speaker 5: receiver that's the most.

1954
01:31:44,954 --> 01:31:48,874
Speaker 3: Often because they're the most disgruntled, right Absolutely, j Brown

1955
01:31:48,994 --> 01:31:52,954
Speaker 3: is no doubt possibility Dk Metcalf people people are talking

1956
01:31:52,994 --> 01:31:57,394
Speaker 3: about like trade for Dk Metcalf, trade for Micah Parsons, prosper.

1957
01:31:57,714 --> 01:32:00,834
Speaker 2: Ford and Savannah has two reasons for Josh won his

1958
01:32:00,954 --> 01:32:03,994
Speaker 2: track RN with QBS rookie Mac Jones went to the

1959
01:32:03,994 --> 01:32:11,514
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. Sorry two consistency. The Patriots have had five

1960
01:32:11,554 --> 01:32:13,914
Speaker 2: different ocs in five years. He could be a highly

1961
01:32:13,914 --> 01:32:17,834
Speaker 2: skilled long time coordinator like Steve Spagnola obviously on the

1962
01:32:17,874 --> 01:32:19,194
Speaker 2: defensive side for the Chiefs.

1963
01:32:20,554 --> 01:32:22,474
Speaker 3: And if he did, if he did it at the

1964
01:32:22,554 --> 01:32:24,594
Speaker 3: level that Steve Spagnola has done it, then I think

1965
01:32:24,594 --> 01:32:27,314
Speaker 3: we'd all say that's a home run. Yeah. Yeah, but

1966
01:32:27,434 --> 01:32:28,754
Speaker 3: that's that's a big if.

1967
01:32:28,914 --> 01:32:30,954
Speaker 5: Those are the arguments for him. But but I also

1968
01:32:31,074 --> 01:32:33,634
Speaker 5: I think McDaniels runs a great offense. Like I don't

1969
01:32:33,634 --> 01:32:35,914
Speaker 5: think it's just that he's not going to go anywhere, like,

1970
01:32:35,954 --> 01:32:37,794
Speaker 5: don't settle for that, Like just oh, this guy is

1971
01:32:37,834 --> 01:32:38,594
Speaker 5: not gonna get hired.

1972
01:32:38,714 --> 01:32:40,514
Speaker 3: That's my point, right, I don't know why that is.

1973
01:32:41,234 --> 01:32:41,834
Speaker 8: Never leave me.

1974
01:32:41,994 --> 01:32:44,674
Speaker 3: I want the better offensive coordinator. If he leaves, that's

1975
01:32:44,674 --> 01:32:46,994
Speaker 3: a good thing. That means he dominated. Yeah, he put

1976
01:32:47,354 --> 01:32:48,994
Speaker 3: a great offense together.

1977
01:32:49,154 --> 01:32:51,274
Speaker 5: But I do think McDaniel's a great offensive coordinator. I

1978
01:32:51,314 --> 01:32:53,154
Speaker 5: think he's got a great scheme. I think he's really

1979
01:32:53,194 --> 01:32:55,474
Speaker 5: it's a really sound scheme and they one of my

1980
01:32:55,514 --> 01:32:58,073
Speaker 5: favorite parts about him is how it all fits together

1981
01:32:58,194 --> 01:33:00,714
Speaker 5: like that you can there's a purpose to every single

1982
01:33:00,754 --> 01:33:04,234
Speaker 5: play call and you're draw play you have that doesn't

1983
01:33:04,274 --> 01:33:07,754
Speaker 5: happen as often as people think. And then there's there's

1984
01:33:07,874 --> 01:33:10,834
Speaker 5: build a call. I there's builds two things right, Like

1985
01:33:10,874 --> 01:33:13,274
Speaker 5: we're like, we're gonna run this play because later on

1986
01:33:13,314 --> 01:33:15,074
Speaker 5: in the game we're gonna show the same look and

1987
01:33:15,074 --> 01:33:17,314
Speaker 5: we're gonna run another play off of that play, And like,

1988
01:33:17,474 --> 01:33:20,354
Speaker 5: those are the coordinators that are thinking about it. Next level,

1989
01:33:20,634 --> 01:33:23,234
Speaker 5: you get too many coordinators nowadays are just call and place,

1990
01:33:23,474 --> 01:33:25,514
Speaker 5: like they're just calling plays out of a hat and

1991
01:33:25,554 --> 01:33:27,314
Speaker 5: there's no sequencing to what they're doing.

1992
01:33:27,354 --> 01:33:29,394
Speaker 3: I wanted so we can stop bitching about the play

1993
01:33:29,394 --> 01:33:32,754
Speaker 3: calls and the offensive coordinator in all seriousness because it's

1994
01:33:32,794 --> 01:33:33,314
Speaker 3: the players.

1995
01:33:33,474 --> 01:33:37,994
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, Trevor writes in really excited about Rabel's higher

1996
01:33:38,394 --> 01:33:40,554
Speaker 2: This is probably more question for Evan, but happy to.

1997
01:33:40,554 --> 01:33:41,994
Speaker 8: Hear all your thoughts, So thank you.

1998
01:33:42,034 --> 01:33:44,394
Speaker 2: What are the chances we could hire Clint Kubiak to

1999
01:33:44,434 --> 01:33:47,194
Speaker 2: be our OC? Rabel and Kubiak both have ties to

2000
01:33:47,234 --> 01:33:50,554
Speaker 2: Stefanski and he is a coaching free agent. How would

2001
01:33:50,634 --> 01:33:53,234
Speaker 2: you like to fit? Also, can we bring in Chris

2002
01:33:53,234 --> 01:33:55,434
Speaker 2: olav Uh?

2003
01:33:55,474 --> 01:33:58,113
Speaker 5: So, Yeah, guy, Clint Kubiak had a really good start

2004
01:33:58,474 --> 01:34:01,194
Speaker 5: last year with new Orleans when everybody was healthy. They

2005
01:34:01,234 --> 01:34:03,874
Speaker 5: got a lot of injuries, quarterback injuries, things like that,

2006
01:34:04,194 --> 01:34:06,114
Speaker 5: and now you know their staff got blown out. So

2007
01:34:06,234 --> 01:34:08,914
Speaker 5: I didn't have them on my list because I just,

2008
01:34:09,514 --> 01:34:11,874
Speaker 5: I don't know, I thought that it really fell apart

2009
01:34:11,914 --> 01:34:14,274
Speaker 5: there last year, and I'm kind of looking for the

2010
01:34:14,314 --> 01:34:16,754
Speaker 5: next thing instead of you know, kind of that sort

2011
01:34:16,794 --> 01:34:19,514
Speaker 5: of thing. But it's a name, like I'm not ruling

2012
01:34:19,554 --> 01:34:21,674
Speaker 5: it out, like it's definitely somebody that could they could

2013
01:34:21,674 --> 01:34:24,834
Speaker 5: be interested in. He runs the Outside Zone West Coast,

2014
01:34:24,914 --> 01:34:30,714
Speaker 5: you know, yes, and he was in San Francisco, uh

2015
01:34:30,834 --> 01:34:31,754
Speaker 5: with Kyle Shanahan.

2016
01:34:33,114 --> 01:34:37,274
Speaker 2: Let's see who's this. This is William He says, I

2017
01:34:37,314 --> 01:34:40,073
Speaker 2: wasn't listening live yesterday, so I'm writing now with my thoughts.

2018
01:34:40,394 --> 01:34:42,794
Speaker 2: When Mike Rabel came to the show and Evan had

2019
01:34:42,794 --> 01:34:44,994
Speaker 2: to stand in the corner, it reminded me of the

2020
01:34:44,994 --> 01:34:47,954
Speaker 2: episode of the Office where Robert California takes over Kevin,

2021
01:34:47,994 --> 01:34:50,354
Speaker 2: Andy and Daryl's band, So they had to stand in

2022
01:34:50,394 --> 01:34:53,514
Speaker 2: the corner and play the tambourine. Evan, we appreciate you

2023
01:34:53,594 --> 01:34:57,354
Speaker 2: and respect your ball knowledge. I'm excited about Rabel. Still

2024
01:34:57,394 --> 01:34:59,874
Speaker 2: reeling a little bit from the male disaster and feeling

2025
01:34:59,874 --> 01:35:03,114
Speaker 2: bad for Gerard, but this is moving in the right direction. Also,

2026
01:35:03,634 --> 01:35:05,754
Speaker 2: why is Albert Brice so upset about the way the

2027
01:35:05,794 --> 01:35:09,274
Speaker 2: Patriots did their search? Calling a garbage seems way out

2028
01:35:09,314 --> 01:35:13,194
Speaker 2: of left field for him, and I'm just confused. He's

2029
01:35:13,234 --> 01:35:15,514
Speaker 2: probably parenting something that somebody else said.

2030
01:35:15,594 --> 01:35:18,234
Speaker 3: No, he's not. He's very upset about it.

2031
01:35:18,874 --> 01:35:19,994
Speaker 2: Sham, It's a sham.

2032
01:35:20,034 --> 01:35:21,194
Speaker 3: Sham interviews he did.

2033
01:35:21,314 --> 01:35:23,514
Speaker 5: I would just like to know, like, what what difference

2034
01:35:23,554 --> 01:35:26,274
Speaker 5: does it make? They were always gonna end up here.

2035
01:35:27,034 --> 01:35:29,394
Speaker 5: So it just if they had done a three week

2036
01:35:29,474 --> 01:35:32,914
Speaker 5: process with all these interviews and all whatever like, and

2037
01:35:32,994 --> 01:35:35,074
Speaker 5: then just hired Rabel a week from now instead of

2038
01:35:35,434 --> 01:35:39,714
Speaker 5: on Sunday, would it have really been that much different.

2039
01:35:39,954 --> 01:35:42,354
Speaker 2: We talked about it yesterday. The rule needs to be

2040
01:35:42,754 --> 01:35:47,874
Speaker 2: tweaked and or changed or replaced. Yep, it's it just

2041
01:35:47,914 --> 01:35:48,714
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense.

2042
01:35:49,234 --> 01:35:50,754
Speaker 3: So you should be able to hire who they want

2043
01:35:50,754 --> 01:35:51,074
Speaker 3: to hire.

2044
01:35:51,914 --> 01:35:54,314
Speaker 2: Let's see Jeff in Canada. You guys touched on this

2045
01:35:54,434 --> 01:35:57,954
Speaker 2: yesterday in the Bonus coverage. I was sort of depressed

2046
01:35:57,994 --> 01:36:01,274
Speaker 2: watching Washington on Sunday night. As Paul stated, they were

2047
01:36:01,314 --> 01:36:04,554
Speaker 2: basically us last year and look at them now. Part

2048
01:36:04,554 --> 01:36:06,594
Speaker 2: of me thinks that's the product of us bringing back

2049
01:36:06,634 --> 01:36:09,354
Speaker 2: so many guys from a four and thirteen team where

2050
01:36:09,354 --> 01:36:13,554
Speaker 2: the commander's got new players. Let's hope Rabels. Let's hope

2051
01:36:13,594 --> 01:36:16,114
Speaker 2: with Rabel that's all in the past. Also correct me

2052
01:36:16,114 --> 01:36:18,874
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. But Rabel said the word analytics in

2053
01:36:18,914 --> 01:36:21,754
Speaker 2: his opening comments, No way, that wasn't on purpose. He

2054
01:36:21,834 --> 01:36:24,354
Speaker 2: also said the word speed many times. What do you

2055
01:36:24,394 --> 01:36:24,834
Speaker 2: take from that?

2056
01:36:25,634 --> 01:36:26,954
Speaker 3: Could he likes analytics?

2057
01:36:27,074 --> 01:36:30,394
Speaker 5: Yeah, I loved I love that. I think the Patriots are,

2058
01:36:31,554 --> 01:36:35,874
Speaker 5: if not the smallest, one of the smallest analytics departments

2059
01:36:35,914 --> 01:36:38,874
Speaker 5: in the entire NFL in terms of their front office.

2060
01:36:38,914 --> 01:36:41,954
Speaker 5: And I'm talking about player evaluation, not like fourth down

2061
01:36:41,954 --> 01:36:44,794
Speaker 5: decision making and that kind of stuff. The amount of

2062
01:36:44,834 --> 01:36:47,634
Speaker 5: analytics that bake into their grades and things like that.

2063
01:36:47,994 --> 01:36:51,914
Speaker 5: They are well well behind the times in terms of that.

2064
01:36:52,194 --> 01:36:54,634
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying it has to be everything, like

2065
01:36:54,674 --> 01:36:57,594
Speaker 5: I wouldn't eBrace every decision I made off of analytics,

2066
01:36:58,154 --> 01:37:01,434
Speaker 5: but they are their dinosaurs when it comes to that

2067
01:37:01,474 --> 01:37:04,354
Speaker 5: sort of thing. And if he's gonna actually build out

2068
01:37:04,354 --> 01:37:08,113
Speaker 5: an analytics department and have those people involved in personnel decisions,

2069
01:37:08,154 --> 01:37:09,314
Speaker 5: I think that's for the best.

2070
01:37:09,154 --> 01:37:12,594
Speaker 8: I wonder how much analytics plays into Elliott's scouting system

2071
01:37:12,594 --> 01:37:14,394
Speaker 8: that he's trying to put in, Like, is that something

2072
01:37:14,474 --> 01:37:17,114
Speaker 8: new you know that maybe he's pushing for. Maybe that's

2073
01:37:17,154 --> 01:37:19,114
Speaker 8: part of the reason why he's been able to stick around.

2074
01:37:19,234 --> 01:37:21,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's important, Like you know, there's all the in

2075
01:37:21,554 --> 01:37:24,474
Speaker 5: game tracking data that we have now about you know,

2076
01:37:24,474 --> 01:37:27,154
Speaker 5: how fast I are really running, how fast guys get

2077
01:37:27,234 --> 01:37:29,194
Speaker 5: up the top speed, how quick they are through their

2078
01:37:29,714 --> 01:37:32,834
Speaker 5: you know, their transitions or their breaks as receivers, like

2079
01:37:32,874 --> 01:37:35,554
Speaker 5: those things. Talk about Nikola like we were talking about Yeah, yeah,

2080
01:37:35,634 --> 01:37:38,554
Speaker 5: you know, the rams have a clip and obviously you know,

2081
01:37:38,594 --> 01:37:41,474
Speaker 5: as we know, when it works, they you you parrot it,

2082
01:37:41,554 --> 01:37:44,914
Speaker 5: you know, you trumpeted. But they they had like a

2083
01:37:44,954 --> 01:37:47,914
Speaker 5: meeting with Less Sneed and Sean McVay before the draft

2084
01:37:48,194 --> 01:37:51,354
Speaker 5: where they were talking about pokin Niakua and they were

2085
01:37:51,394 --> 01:37:56,034
Speaker 5: saying that Pukinnakua, based off the analytics, is one of

2086
01:37:56,034 --> 01:37:59,074
Speaker 5: the fastest players in college football. But then he ran

2087
01:37:59,114 --> 01:38:01,514
Speaker 5: like a mid four five in the forty yard dash,

2088
01:38:01,954 --> 01:38:04,514
Speaker 5: and Sean McVay unless Sneed said, we're not going to

2089
01:38:04,594 --> 01:38:07,314
Speaker 5: pay attention to the forty yard dash because in season

2090
01:38:07,394 --> 01:38:10,634
Speaker 5: he ran perfectly fine, and then they drafted Pukin Nakua

2091
01:38:10,874 --> 01:38:12,794
Speaker 5: in the fifth round and the rest is history.

2092
01:38:12,874 --> 01:38:16,354
Speaker 2: So what analytics said that he was faster than four

2093
01:38:16,434 --> 01:38:19,034
Speaker 2: or five? Like what was the.

2094
01:38:18,234 --> 01:38:21,994
Speaker 5: The miles per hour tracking in game? So nowadays all

2095
01:38:22,034 --> 01:38:24,794
Speaker 5: these college programs used you know, Zebra Tech or something

2096
01:38:24,874 --> 01:38:27,354
Speaker 5: like that with the chips to track how fast these

2097
01:38:27,354 --> 01:38:30,754
Speaker 5: guys are running, so you can actually you can calculate

2098
01:38:31,034 --> 01:38:34,594
Speaker 5: top speed, you can calculate acceleration, you can top you know,

2099
01:38:34,674 --> 01:38:37,554
Speaker 5: calculate in the first ten yards, how fast does he

2100
01:38:37,594 --> 01:38:40,034
Speaker 5: get up into? What speed does he get up to

2101
01:38:40,274 --> 01:38:42,154
Speaker 5: because like obviously, like if you give a guy a

2102
01:38:42,194 --> 01:38:44,394
Speaker 5: forty yard run, he's going to be faster than a

2103
01:38:44,394 --> 01:38:47,154
Speaker 5: guy that's running five, right, but in terms of build

2104
01:38:47,234 --> 01:38:49,874
Speaker 5: up and momentum and things like that, So he was

2105
01:38:49,954 --> 01:38:52,794
Speaker 5: graded out really really high across the board analytically and

2106
01:38:52,834 --> 01:38:55,874
Speaker 5: all those statistics, and that's the speed that they used

2107
01:38:55,994 --> 01:38:58,874
Speaker 5: to you know, basically project what he was going to

2108
01:38:58,914 --> 01:38:59,674
Speaker 5: be into the NFL.

2109
01:39:00,194 --> 01:39:03,194
Speaker 2: Franklin and Baltimore. I know, I don't know if they count,

2110
01:39:03,234 --> 01:39:06,113
Speaker 2: but I would consider both Luke Getzi and Shane Waldron

2111
01:39:06,514 --> 01:39:09,394
Speaker 2: as OC's not getting the best of their talent. I do.

2112
01:39:09,514 --> 01:39:11,994
Speaker 2: No part of this overlaps with fields who wasn't good,

2113
01:39:12,314 --> 01:39:14,674
Speaker 2: but if you consider their roster, they'd never lived up

2114
01:39:14,674 --> 01:39:15,674
Speaker 2: to the talent they had.

2115
01:39:15,834 --> 01:39:17,474
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good one.

2116
01:39:17,714 --> 01:39:21,194
Speaker 5: He had a couple of Oka offenses with Seattle, like

2117
01:39:21,274 --> 01:39:22,714
Speaker 5: not not great, but.

2118
01:39:23,194 --> 01:39:27,514
Speaker 3: Really good talent though, Yeah, and he had pieces around him.

2119
01:39:27,554 --> 01:39:29,594
Speaker 3: I thought they should have been more productive even this year,

2120
01:39:29,754 --> 01:39:31,554
Speaker 3: you know, even though it was a rookie quarterback. And

2121
01:39:31,594 --> 01:39:34,754
Speaker 3: I know that the rookie quarterback probably has some maturity

2122
01:39:34,794 --> 01:39:37,354
Speaker 3: issues that he needs to resolve. But I don't think

2123
01:39:37,394 --> 01:39:39,874
Speaker 3: they they had a good plan, Let's put it that way.

2124
01:39:40,274 --> 01:39:43,154
Speaker 3: Even someone who's not necessarily breaking it down the way

2125
01:39:43,154 --> 01:39:46,354
Speaker 3: Evan does. You can watch that game against the Patriots,

2126
01:39:46,394 --> 01:39:48,674
Speaker 3: and they didn't look like they had a clue. They

2127
01:39:48,714 --> 01:39:49,154
Speaker 3: were doing a.

2128
01:39:49,154 --> 01:39:54,234
Speaker 5: Little bit of breaking news. Okay, not Patriots adjacent.

2129
01:39:55,994 --> 01:39:58,234
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons.

2130
01:39:58,434 --> 01:40:02,434
Speaker 5: Interesting, The Browns have promoted Tommy Reest to offensive coordinator.

2131
01:40:02,434 --> 01:40:04,994
Speaker 3: So it is definitely Patriots adjacent there.

2132
01:40:05,034 --> 01:40:05,274
Speaker 2: It is.

2133
01:40:05,354 --> 01:40:07,034
Speaker 5: So he's staying in Cleveland, so.

2134
01:40:07,114 --> 01:40:09,154
Speaker 3: We can't make him the assistant head coach.

2135
01:40:09,034 --> 01:40:12,354
Speaker 2: Across him off the list, Kay Tanaka, right, Sin, It

2136
01:40:12,434 --> 01:40:16,194
Speaker 2: was obvious to any observer watching Josh Reduction press conferences

2137
01:40:16,474 --> 01:40:20,714
Speaker 2: to see the difference in presence between Rabel and Mayo. Unfortunately,

2138
01:40:20,714 --> 01:40:23,834
Speaker 2: Mayo was unprepared and overwhelmed. I felt on day one

2139
01:40:24,194 --> 01:40:26,874
Speaker 2: they made a terrible but hope for the best. I

2140
01:40:26,914 --> 01:40:29,074
Speaker 2: believe he tried too hard to do the right thing

2141
01:40:29,114 --> 01:40:32,434
Speaker 2: for everyone and everything and overlook the essentials of being

2142
01:40:32,434 --> 01:40:36,314
Speaker 2: a head coach by enforcing accountability, discipline, focused strategy, and

2143
01:40:36,354 --> 01:40:39,874
Speaker 2: game planning. Rabel has demonstrated this in his previous work.

2144
01:40:40,234 --> 01:40:42,314
Speaker 2: Mayo's a good man, He's smart, and I'd like to

2145
01:40:42,314 --> 01:40:44,634
Speaker 2: see him succeed. The best thing for him would be

2146
01:40:44,714 --> 01:40:47,474
Speaker 2: to take a position as a defensive coordinator and build

2147
01:40:47,514 --> 01:40:51,154
Speaker 2: experience and being fully responsible for a defensive team from there.

2148
01:40:51,394 --> 01:40:53,354
Speaker 2: I hope he gets another chance at head coach.

2149
01:40:54,234 --> 01:40:57,034
Speaker 8: Do you wonder We've talked a lot about that. I

2150
01:40:57,474 --> 01:40:59,394
Speaker 8: threw out Houston just with a Casario connection.

2151
01:40:59,434 --> 01:41:00,234
Speaker 3: I mean, it's hard.

2152
01:41:00,274 --> 01:41:01,994
Speaker 8: He doesn't have a lot of connections around the league

2153
01:41:02,034 --> 01:41:05,114
Speaker 8: to really I think if he does go somewhere else,

2154
01:41:05,114 --> 01:41:07,674
Speaker 8: it's going to be some random friendship that he had

2155
01:41:07,714 --> 01:41:08,954
Speaker 8: that we weren't really aware of it.

2156
01:41:09,074 --> 01:41:11,434
Speaker 3: He's really interested in that. I have a differing opinion

2157
01:41:11,434 --> 01:41:12,874
Speaker 3: than most. I'm not sure he's going.

2158
01:41:12,874 --> 01:41:16,114
Speaker 2: To get a job well, but.

2159
01:41:17,434 --> 01:41:19,674
Speaker 3: You know, I have nothing to base that on with

2160
01:41:19,714 --> 01:41:21,514
Speaker 3: the Tommy Reese thing, and they just put it up

2161
01:41:21,514 --> 01:41:24,714
Speaker 3: on my show, Freddie. I wonder if he'll be calling

2162
01:41:24,754 --> 01:41:28,394
Speaker 3: the place because Stefanski's been a guy who's called plays

2163
01:41:29,474 --> 01:41:31,994
Speaker 3: for the most part, not exclusively, but for the most part,

2164
01:41:32,034 --> 01:41:34,314
Speaker 3: he's been a guy. I wonder if he's finally ready

2165
01:41:34,354 --> 01:41:35,874
Speaker 3: to say I think he has. I think there was

2166
01:41:35,914 --> 01:41:38,114
Speaker 3: something in the off season that said that he was

2167
01:41:38,114 --> 01:41:39,434
Speaker 3: willing to step away.

2168
01:41:39,474 --> 01:41:41,954
Speaker 2: Fansky start by having his coordinator call the place, and

2169
01:41:41,954 --> 01:41:43,114
Speaker 2: then he took it away from him.

2170
01:41:43,154 --> 01:41:45,634
Speaker 3: I think he's done in both ways, you know a

2171
01:41:45,674 --> 01:41:48,314
Speaker 3: little bit. But like Alex van Pelt did not call

2172
01:41:48,354 --> 01:41:50,914
Speaker 3: the place right when he was the coordinator right. So

2173
01:41:51,034 --> 01:41:53,754
Speaker 3: I do wonder if you know, at thirty two, maybe

2174
01:41:53,834 --> 01:41:55,954
Speaker 3: it's a not yet gradual process.

2175
01:41:57,274 --> 01:42:00,274
Speaker 2: Sam from Saint Catharine's I don't really agree with the

2176
01:42:00,314 --> 01:42:02,994
Speaker 2: notion being pushed that Josh is a QB whisperer or

2177
01:42:03,074 --> 01:42:06,634
Speaker 2: a great developer. Who is he actually developed? Everyone says

2178
01:42:06,634 --> 01:42:10,514
Speaker 2: mac Jones, But he was not heralded as But was

2179
01:42:10,554 --> 01:42:13,154
Speaker 2: he not heralded as the most pro ready QB when

2180
01:42:13,154 --> 01:42:15,674
Speaker 2: he was coming out. Anyone else that came in under

2181
01:42:15,754 --> 01:42:18,754
Speaker 2: Josh never really turned into good players. They're all backup

2182
01:42:18,834 --> 01:42:22,314
Speaker 2: level players at most that developed under him. This is

2183
01:42:22,314 --> 01:42:24,914
Speaker 2: not me pooh poohing the idea of Josh coming back.

2184
01:42:24,954 --> 01:42:27,754
Speaker 2: I just keep hearing that narrative, but it doesn't make

2185
01:42:27,794 --> 01:42:28,274
Speaker 2: sense to me.

2186
01:42:29,594 --> 01:42:32,434
Speaker 5: I would say, the one quarterback other than Mac if

2187
01:42:32,434 --> 01:42:34,354
Speaker 5: we're not giving him Mac that I would give him

2188
01:42:34,394 --> 01:42:36,914
Speaker 5: a lot of credit for is Jimmy Garoppolo. Like, that's

2189
01:42:36,914 --> 01:42:40,674
Speaker 5: a guy that was behind the scenes for what three

2190
01:42:40,754 --> 01:42:43,153
Speaker 5: years here with the Patriots. As soon as Jimmy Garoppolo

2191
01:42:43,234 --> 01:42:45,674
Speaker 5: got to San Francisco, he was ready to start for

2192
01:42:45,714 --> 01:42:47,514
Speaker 5: the forty nine ers and had success right out of

2193
01:42:47,554 --> 01:42:49,714
Speaker 5: the gate with San Francisco. They thought that he was

2194
01:42:49,754 --> 01:42:52,234
Speaker 5: ready to start here if they had pulled the plug

2195
01:42:52,234 --> 01:42:55,554
Speaker 5: on Brady earlier. So I get that to an extent,

2196
01:42:55,674 --> 01:43:00,154
Speaker 5: but I have no questions whatsoever about Josh McDaniel's ability

2197
01:43:00,154 --> 01:43:02,794
Speaker 5: to coach quarterbacks. I think he's been doing that for

2198
01:43:02,834 --> 01:43:05,394
Speaker 5: long enough and has the resume to back up.

2199
01:43:05,434 --> 01:43:08,674
Speaker 3: I would fall somewhere in between. I do have some reservations,

2200
01:43:08,674 --> 01:43:10,554
Speaker 3: but not as many as the emailer. I mean, I

2201
01:43:10,554 --> 01:43:12,194
Speaker 3: think that's what he said is kind of right.

2202
01:43:12,194 --> 01:43:12,314
Speaker 2: Now.

2203
01:43:12,434 --> 01:43:17,114
Speaker 3: I think Garoppolo in Castle was sort of mid starters

2204
01:43:17,314 --> 01:43:20,434
Speaker 3: to backups, and I think they've had both of them

2205
01:43:20,474 --> 01:43:23,234
Speaker 3: had success. Castle, people forget was a pro bowler when

2206
01:43:23,234 --> 01:43:27,674
Speaker 3: he went to Kansas City his first year. But neither

2207
01:43:27,714 --> 01:43:29,834
Speaker 3: one of those guys developed into much. And I would

2208
01:43:29,874 --> 01:43:32,314
Speaker 3: say Garoppolo was ready to start in San Francisco. It

2209
01:43:32,394 --> 01:43:35,034
Speaker 3: was like year five. He should have been, you know

2210
01:43:35,114 --> 01:43:36,874
Speaker 3: by that time. This is a little bit of a

2211
01:43:36,874 --> 01:43:40,794
Speaker 3: different situation. And what he said about Mac Jones is true.

2212
01:43:41,274 --> 01:43:41,594
Speaker 5: He was.

2213
01:43:41,954 --> 01:43:44,194
Speaker 3: As much as I didn't like him, he was considered

2214
01:43:44,194 --> 01:43:47,554
Speaker 3: the most pro ready guy, That's true. And you hated

2215
01:43:47,634 --> 01:43:48,714
Speaker 3: the way that they handled him.

2216
01:43:48,874 --> 01:43:50,194
Speaker 2: I did, I would have.

2217
01:43:50,354 --> 01:43:52,234
Speaker 5: But whatever would he have done with Mac Jones in

2218
01:43:52,314 --> 01:43:55,514
Speaker 5: year two is always going to be the big absolutely, right.

2219
01:43:55,554 --> 01:43:57,714
Speaker 5: Like if he came back with Mac Jones in year two.

2220
01:43:57,634 --> 01:43:59,834
Speaker 3: And they didn't play Jacksonville and.

2221
01:43:59,754 --> 01:44:03,714
Speaker 5: They didn't, you know, not do anything on the offensive

2222
01:44:03,714 --> 01:44:06,234
Speaker 5: side of the ball to make the roster better, it

2223
01:44:06,314 --> 01:44:07,034
Speaker 5: might have been different.

2224
01:44:07,114 --> 01:44:10,674
Speaker 3: Well, they did do like the talent that he had,

2225
01:44:10,714 --> 01:44:13,554
Speaker 3: they brought in talent around him as a rookie that

2226
01:44:13,714 --> 01:44:17,514
Speaker 3: was the free agent splash class, you know, like that

2227
01:44:17,674 --> 01:44:23,194
Speaker 3: was born Agalore Hunter, Henry John hu Smith. I mean

2228
01:44:23,234 --> 01:44:26,034
Speaker 3: these are guys that I know people are gonna snicker,

2229
01:44:26,274 --> 01:44:28,594
Speaker 3: you know at some of those guys like Agalore and Smith.

2230
01:44:28,954 --> 01:44:30,674
Speaker 3: There's the guys that have gone to other places and

2231
01:44:30,674 --> 01:44:34,193
Speaker 3: have at least been reasonably productive, especially Smith. Now Agalored

2232
01:44:34,194 --> 01:44:36,874
Speaker 3: doesn't catch a lot of passes in Baltimore, but he's

2233
01:44:36,874 --> 01:44:38,914
Speaker 3: one of those guys that tends to catch an important

2234
01:44:38,914 --> 01:44:41,914
Speaker 3: one every week. You know. He didn't do that with

2235
01:44:42,354 --> 01:44:45,674
Speaker 3: the Patriots. I put that not on Josh McDaniels. I

2236
01:44:45,714 --> 01:44:47,354
Speaker 3: put that on mac Jones. But that's me.

2237
01:44:48,394 --> 01:44:51,714
Speaker 2: Ben in Hershey, Pennsylvania. In twenty twenty two, McDaniels left

2238
01:44:51,714 --> 01:44:54,154
Speaker 2: the Patriots to take the Raiders head coach job. At

2239
01:44:54,154 --> 01:44:56,714
Speaker 2: the time, it seemed like there was a robust roster

2240
01:44:56,834 --> 01:44:59,434
Speaker 2: of talent ready to be elevated, but it all fell

2241
01:44:59,434 --> 01:45:04,834
Speaker 2: apart when Josh took so many coaches in staff with him, Ziegelo, Lombardi, Brisillo,

2242
01:45:05,274 --> 01:45:09,354
Speaker 2: hard Degree Graham. Two questions. One would this have left

2243
01:45:09,394 --> 01:45:12,034
Speaker 2: some bitter feelings in New England, making it less likely

2244
01:45:12,114 --> 01:45:13,554
Speaker 2: that McDaniels would come back.

2245
01:45:13,914 --> 01:45:16,113
Speaker 8: No, no, no, he was expected.

2246
01:45:16,234 --> 01:45:19,594
Speaker 2: Everything's fine. If Bill was still here, maybe, I don't know,

2247
01:45:19,674 --> 01:45:23,194
Speaker 2: but I don't think there's any bitter feelings in the building.

2248
01:45:23,794 --> 01:45:26,794
Speaker 2: And two, how does an up and coming CEO head

2249
01:45:26,794 --> 01:45:31,994
Speaker 2: coach prevent this type of migration in the future. You can't.

2250
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Speaker 8: You hope you have enough success that your coaches.

2251
01:45:34,114 --> 01:45:39,113
Speaker 2: That's a problem, you know. You got to have that pipeline.

2252
01:45:37,474 --> 01:45:40,474
Speaker 3: You know, But then you'll pay and promote your coaches.

2253
01:45:40,514 --> 01:45:43,954
Speaker 3: Don't give you a de facto defensive coordinator the offensive

2254
01:45:43,954 --> 01:45:44,914
Speaker 3: coordinator job.

2255
01:45:44,994 --> 01:45:48,034
Speaker 7: Yeah, give it to Nick Tayley.

2256
01:45:47,234 --> 01:45:47,914
Speaker 3: And they'll stay.

2257
01:45:49,634 --> 01:45:52,954
Speaker 2: Let's see. Justin writes in This might seem small and

2258
01:45:53,034 --> 01:45:55,674
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to do with being a good coach,

2259
01:45:56,114 --> 01:45:58,514
Speaker 2: but the fact that Rabel actually asked Deuce and Evan

2260
01:45:58,554 --> 01:46:01,954
Speaker 2: about themselves in the interview yesterday shows you what kind

2261
01:46:01,994 --> 01:46:04,074
Speaker 2: of guy he is. Most people in his shoes are

2262
01:46:04,114 --> 01:46:07,754
Speaker 2: so self centered they wouldn't even consider taking the spotlight

2263
01:46:07,754 --> 01:46:10,914
Speaker 2: off themselves for even a second, no offense to draw it, which,

2264
01:46:10,914 --> 01:46:13,554
Speaker 2: by the way, can we please stop dancing on his grave?

2265
01:46:13,834 --> 01:46:16,634
Speaker 2: But I'm stoked for Rabel as the head coach. Also,

2266
01:46:16,794 --> 01:46:19,394
Speaker 2: Evan is the man, But I think his take that

2267
01:46:19,514 --> 01:46:23,914
Speaker 2: Rabel has a ten wins ceiling is beyond silly. See

2268
01:46:23,994 --> 01:46:27,234
Speaker 2: mcderbott and mc dermott and Sirianni, just to name two

2269
01:46:27,234 --> 01:46:29,874
Speaker 2: examples where they're not as good as Rabel and still

2270
01:46:29,914 --> 01:46:32,634
Speaker 2: get over ten wins regularly. P you and Catch twenty

2271
01:46:32,674 --> 01:46:34,274
Speaker 2: two of my favorite shills by far, I keep up

2272
01:46:34,274 --> 01:46:36,194
Speaker 2: the good work. When did you say his ceiling was

2273
01:46:36,274 --> 01:46:36,914
Speaker 2: ten one? Yeah?

2274
01:46:37,074 --> 01:46:39,154
Speaker 5: You know, I just thought when we were going through

2275
01:46:39,154 --> 01:46:40,994
Speaker 5: this whole thing last week on Catch twenty two with

2276
01:46:41,074 --> 01:46:44,354
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson versus variable, I think Rabel was the safe pick.

2277
01:46:44,394 --> 01:46:46,634
Speaker 5: I do. I think he and I worry a little

2278
01:46:46,634 --> 01:46:49,234
Speaker 5: bit about the ceiling because in Tennessee you had the

2279
01:46:49,274 --> 01:46:51,114
Speaker 5: twelve win season, he had the trip to the AFC

2280
01:46:51,194 --> 01:46:53,354
Speaker 5: Championship of I don't want to just be an AFC

2281
01:46:53,434 --> 01:46:56,394
Speaker 5: championship games. You want to win championships, right, and I

2282
01:46:56,754 --> 01:47:00,274
Speaker 5: worry about that aspect of it. I think the examples

2283
01:47:00,274 --> 01:47:03,554
Speaker 5: that he gave are fine examples. But if you tell

2284
01:47:03,594 --> 01:47:05,634
Speaker 5: me that Drake May is going to be Josh Allen.

2285
01:47:05,434 --> 01:47:08,354
Speaker 3: I don't know how they're find example. Who's making the

2286
01:47:08,394 --> 01:47:12,674
Speaker 3: determination that Mike Rabel's a better coach than Sean McDermott.

2287
01:47:12,234 --> 01:47:15,554
Speaker 5: Or that Jeohn McDermott's done anything Dermott what have they.

2288
01:47:15,474 --> 01:47:19,234
Speaker 3: Wont But Jeff just he's one more than Mike Rabel.

2289
01:47:19,394 --> 01:47:22,274
Speaker 5: Has he Yeah, I mean in terms of like regular season, sure,

2290
01:47:22,274 --> 01:47:24,554
Speaker 5: but he hasn't gotten any further in the playoffs, no

2291
01:47:25,554 --> 01:47:28,674
Speaker 5: championship and the Titans, right, Yeah.

2292
01:47:28,114 --> 01:47:31,554
Speaker 3: But he's been more consistent. Sure, he's never had a

2293
01:47:31,714 --> 01:47:33,474
Speaker 3: three and fourteen team.

2294
01:47:33,114 --> 01:47:35,394
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, Like why we just.

2295
01:47:36,914 --> 01:47:39,474
Speaker 3: Absolutely he's had He's had some good players. But like

2296
01:47:39,794 --> 01:47:43,594
Speaker 3: I just would push back on like, well he's better

2297
01:47:43,754 --> 01:47:45,554
Speaker 3: with these two guys right off off the top that

2298
01:47:45,594 --> 01:47:47,314
Speaker 3: won more games, but they have better teams.

2299
01:47:47,794 --> 01:47:50,074
Speaker 7: The Eagles are loaded, right right?

2300
01:47:50,154 --> 01:47:51,034
Speaker 5: That was that was my.

2301
01:47:51,074 --> 01:47:53,794
Speaker 3: Eagles are absolutely loaded. Of course they won more games

2302
01:47:53,794 --> 01:47:55,714
Speaker 3: than you know, Like, I don't know what Mike Rabel

2303
01:47:55,714 --> 01:47:58,514
Speaker 3: would do with the Eagles, but I know Nick's won

2304
01:47:58,594 --> 01:47:59,554
Speaker 3: fourteen games with them.

2305
01:48:00,154 --> 01:48:02,994
Speaker 5: Well, I think Nick, but he might I don't.

2306
01:48:03,034 --> 01:48:04,314
Speaker 3: I don't know, But I don't.

2307
01:48:04,114 --> 01:48:07,914
Speaker 5: Think mcdermot's thinks because I think McDermott is coach mc

2308
01:48:09,114 --> 01:48:11,274
Speaker 5: he he pulls his weight on the defensive side of

2309
01:48:11,274 --> 01:48:14,234
Speaker 5: the ball, right, like he's an actually good defensive.

2310
01:48:14,114 --> 01:48:15,994
Speaker 3: It's funny because I think that the defense is going

2311
01:48:16,074 --> 01:48:16,514
Speaker 3: to end up.

2312
01:48:17,474 --> 01:48:19,914
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they have that ability on defense like Bill

2313
01:48:20,034 --> 01:48:22,234
Speaker 5: used to that they can plug and play, they can

2314
01:48:22,274 --> 01:48:24,874
Speaker 5: move on from guys and their defense is still.

2315
01:48:24,954 --> 01:48:29,073
Speaker 3: A big linebacker is a perfect example of everybody. Everybody

2316
01:48:29,114 --> 01:48:31,314
Speaker 3: was up in arms. I'm I let this guy walk.

2317
01:48:31,194 --> 01:48:35,594
Speaker 5: Yeah injured to here on. He's got the best roster

2318
01:48:35,714 --> 01:48:40,474
Speaker 5: in football. Maybe he's got freaking Fangio running his defense.

2319
01:48:40,554 --> 01:48:44,794
Speaker 3: Like I don't know why, because we know Mike Rabel.

2320
01:48:44,834 --> 01:48:48,074
Speaker 3: He's automatically a better coach than Sean McDermott, who we

2321
01:48:48,114 --> 01:48:51,674
Speaker 3: don't like because he coaches the Bills, right, Right, isn't

2322
01:48:51,714 --> 01:48:54,194
Speaker 3: that right? I mean, I mean you have that smirk, Fred,

2323
01:48:54,234 --> 01:48:55,554
Speaker 3: you can you can fire back.

2324
01:48:55,594 --> 01:48:57,354
Speaker 2: You're ready. I could see it, you know, whenever you

2325
01:48:57,394 --> 01:48:58,394
Speaker 2: mentioned McDermott, I.

2326
01:48:59,194 --> 01:49:01,394
Speaker 3: Think he gets tight. There's no doubt. Like I think

2327
01:49:01,434 --> 01:49:04,514
Speaker 3: the ra thing is absolutely appropriate for him. But he's

2328
01:49:04,554 --> 01:49:07,514
Speaker 3: a pretty good coach. He's a pretty good coach, and

2329
01:49:07,594 --> 01:49:10,074
Speaker 3: if he ends up losing a job, it's going to

2330
01:49:10,114 --> 01:49:11,874
Speaker 3: be because he didn't win a super Bowl, not because

2331
01:49:11,914 --> 01:49:14,914
Speaker 3: he couldn't get to the playoffs. Right, That's why Rabel

2332
01:49:14,994 --> 01:49:17,234
Speaker 3: lost his job because he couldn't get his team to

2333
01:49:17,234 --> 01:49:18,234
Speaker 3: the playoffs. At the end.

2334
01:49:19,314 --> 01:49:22,674
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the tput line. Todd's in North Carolina.

2335
01:49:22,714 --> 01:49:23,394
Speaker 2: What's up Todd?

2336
01:49:24,754 --> 01:49:27,794
Speaker 10: Hey, guys, Uh, it's really great to read the mail

2337
01:49:27,834 --> 01:49:30,674
Speaker 10: bag and see that the Shady Acres thing is taking

2338
01:49:30,714 --> 01:49:32,114
Speaker 10: some of the bite out of Paul. It was really

2339
01:49:32,394 --> 01:49:35,754
Speaker 10: he was really professional and even generous in his answers

2340
01:49:35,754 --> 01:49:37,234
Speaker 10: to some of the people. It's been kind of.

2341
01:49:37,154 --> 01:49:37,714
Speaker 3: Cool to hear.

2342
01:49:38,354 --> 01:49:43,514
Speaker 10: Well, just I'm curious to know which which guy you

2343
01:49:43,554 --> 01:49:46,994
Speaker 10: think would best suit for OC. I tried to read

2344
01:49:47,034 --> 01:49:50,234
Speaker 10: through all of the names that haven't put down, and

2345
01:49:50,274 --> 01:49:52,274
Speaker 10: the only two that stood out to me were A

2346
01:49:52,394 --> 01:49:55,274
Speaker 10: v P. Well three a v P. Josh McCown but

2347
01:49:55,354 --> 01:49:58,114
Speaker 10: he's like and Reese. But you guys said Reese was taken.

2348
01:49:58,194 --> 01:50:00,354
Speaker 10: So I'd like to hear two from each of you

2349
01:50:00,754 --> 01:50:03,314
Speaker 10: about which guys you would want to come in here

2350
01:50:03,354 --> 01:50:04,714
Speaker 10: and to work with.

2351
01:50:04,794 --> 01:50:09,274
Speaker 2: Drake may like that, all right, thanks, I mean I'll

2352
01:50:09,314 --> 01:50:16,194
Speaker 2: take obviously, Josh is on my list. Trying to remember

2353
01:50:16,234 --> 01:50:16,634
Speaker 2: your list.

2354
01:50:16,954 --> 01:50:19,274
Speaker 8: Josh McCown, and I don't know if he pops up

2355
01:50:19,314 --> 01:50:21,474
Speaker 8: to the to that Tommy Reese spot right now for me,

2356
01:50:21,554 --> 01:50:22,554
Speaker 8: But yeah.

2357
01:50:23,354 --> 01:50:25,234
Speaker 5: Now that Reese is off the board, the two Josh

2358
01:50:25,394 --> 01:50:27,674
Speaker 5: McDaniels and Siltan McCown what.

2359
01:50:27,874 --> 01:50:29,714
Speaker 2: I want to talk about. We were talking about off

2360
01:50:29,714 --> 01:50:33,193
Speaker 2: air a little bit. Is there a chance that despite

2361
01:50:33,954 --> 01:50:36,714
Speaker 2: all the accolades that Ben Johnson is getting as an OC,

2362
01:50:36,954 --> 01:50:39,914
Speaker 2: that he doesn't interview well and doesn't get a head

2363
01:50:39,914 --> 01:50:40,594
Speaker 2: coaching job.

2364
01:50:41,154 --> 01:50:44,714
Speaker 3: No, no, no, he turned down the head coaching job

2365
01:50:44,794 --> 01:50:46,113
Speaker 3: last year Washington.

2366
01:50:47,074 --> 01:50:50,554
Speaker 2: That's right, they wanted him. You're right, you're right. Yeah,

2367
01:50:50,554 --> 01:50:52,674
Speaker 2: Schefter said, I've just heard all this stuff about him

2368
01:50:52,714 --> 01:50:56,514
Speaker 2: being bizarre and kind of a very an introvert and

2369
01:50:56,594 --> 01:50:59,594
Speaker 2: all that stuff. Have you heard that about Ben Johnson?

2370
01:50:59,874 --> 01:51:02,434
Speaker 3: No other than the guy who called in and ripped him.

2371
01:51:02,474 --> 01:51:04,154
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's.

2372
01:51:03,994 --> 01:51:05,994
Speaker 3: The only thing I've ever heard about him is he's

2373
01:51:05,994 --> 01:51:08,394
Speaker 3: really demanding on his place, This tough on the players.

2374
01:51:08,434 --> 01:51:09,794
Speaker 2: This is recently. I heard this.

2375
01:51:10,154 --> 01:51:11,754
Speaker 3: I didn't say, you're right. I said, no, I haven't

2376
01:51:11,794 --> 01:51:12,114
Speaker 3: heard it.

2377
01:51:12,154 --> 01:51:14,674
Speaker 7: I didn't hear I've never heard bizarre necessarily.

2378
01:51:14,714 --> 01:51:18,274
Speaker 5: I've just he's he's a film junkie, like he's going

2379
01:51:18,354 --> 01:51:21,074
Speaker 5: to be the he's a mastermind, like he's not going

2380
01:51:21,114 --> 01:51:23,194
Speaker 5: to be the raw, raw guy at the front of

2381
01:51:23,234 --> 01:51:26,114
Speaker 5: the room that's getting everybody jacked up. He's gonna get

2382
01:51:26,154 --> 01:51:28,554
Speaker 5: you confident because you're going to be so well prepared,

2383
01:51:29,074 --> 01:51:31,754
Speaker 5: you know going into games that you're just gonna it's

2384
01:51:31,794 --> 01:51:34,034
Speaker 5: it's all, you know, a little bit more like Bill's

2385
01:51:34,034 --> 01:51:37,634
Speaker 5: side of the street than you know, like a RaRo McVeigh.

2386
01:51:37,714 --> 01:51:39,834
Speaker 8: Like I think that's to Fred's point. It's like McVeigh

2387
01:51:39,834 --> 01:51:42,354
Speaker 8: has both. McVeigh has the tight pants, but he's also

2388
01:51:42,394 --> 01:51:44,674
Speaker 8: real personable and I think might.

2389
01:51:44,634 --> 01:51:46,634
Speaker 5: Be the best coach in the league besides Andy Reid.

2390
01:51:46,674 --> 01:51:49,034
Speaker 5: I mean that guy, he's a complete package. Like he's

2391
01:51:49,074 --> 01:51:51,594
Speaker 5: got that ability to motivate, and he's one of the

2392
01:51:51,594 --> 01:51:52,714
Speaker 5: best offensive minds.

2393
01:51:52,514 --> 01:51:54,274
Speaker 2: In football, calls plays and when he on.

2394
01:51:54,354 --> 01:51:58,194
Speaker 7: This fantastic back and forth, fantastic.

2395
01:51:58,154 --> 01:52:02,674
Speaker 2: His only mistake was you need those stretch.

2396
01:52:02,714 --> 01:52:04,954
Speaker 3: That was moving all the time he pulled me.

2397
01:52:05,474 --> 01:52:07,914
Speaker 8: I just wanted, you know, before we playing the Super Bowl, Man,

2398
01:52:07,954 --> 01:52:09,754
Speaker 8: you're awesome, and.

2399
01:52:09,234 --> 01:52:11,474
Speaker 5: I would literally do that. Like, I think that guy

2400
01:52:11,674 --> 01:52:15,314
Speaker 5: is an unbelievably good coach, Like just the entire package.

2401
01:52:15,394 --> 01:52:18,354
Speaker 5: That's why I want off his staff, like Nick Keley,

2402
01:52:18,754 --> 01:52:20,154
Speaker 5: who's the quarterbacks.

2403
01:52:20,714 --> 01:52:23,354
Speaker 2: But don't don't fall into the same trap that people

2404
01:52:23,394 --> 01:52:25,634
Speaker 2: did with the Pagos. I want somebody off Bill's staff

2405
01:52:25,634 --> 01:52:27,034
Speaker 2: and they don't do well.

2406
01:52:27,594 --> 01:52:30,074
Speaker 3: I think the guy replicate, I'm not looking for a

2407
01:52:30,074 --> 01:52:33,274
Speaker 3: head coach a little want I want a guy doing

2408
01:52:33,314 --> 01:52:35,874
Speaker 3: what he's doing now. I want him doing it here.

2409
01:52:36,074 --> 01:52:39,674
Speaker 5: Nick Keyley, Nick Kelly, Okay, So Nick Caley's gotten a

2410
01:52:39,674 --> 01:52:42,794
Speaker 5: little bit of love in in uh in Ramsland because

2411
01:52:42,834 --> 01:52:47,074
Speaker 5: he's actually McVeigh has has taken some of the Patriots

2412
01:52:47,114 --> 01:52:50,114
Speaker 5: stuff this year with Kaylee and put some of that

2413
01:52:50,154 --> 01:52:53,834
Speaker 5: in their passing game because Kaylee's now the pass game coordinator.

2414
01:52:53,474 --> 01:52:54,834
Speaker 7: As well as the Titans coach.

2415
01:52:54,914 --> 01:52:58,634
Speaker 5: So they they actually run the Patriots NASCAR package now

2416
01:52:58,714 --> 01:53:01,834
Speaker 5: they're up tempo, hurry up and uh. And that was

2417
01:53:01,874 --> 01:53:04,274
Speaker 5: all Kaylee, like, you know, saying this is how we

2418
01:53:04,314 --> 01:53:06,994
Speaker 5: did it in New England and mcvagh putting that stuff in.

2419
01:53:07,074 --> 01:53:09,234
Speaker 5: So he's like the the blend of the new and

2420
01:53:09,274 --> 01:53:09,914
Speaker 5: the old. Right.

2421
01:53:10,954 --> 01:53:13,834
Speaker 3: Just so you know, I did the mail bag before

2422
01:53:14,434 --> 01:53:18,554
Speaker 3: Rabel came in here yesterday, So I had the mail

2423
01:53:18,554 --> 01:53:21,994
Speaker 3: bag already done before Rabel came in and was joking

2424
01:53:22,034 --> 01:53:26,274
Speaker 3: around with us. It wasn't you know response.

2425
01:53:26,194 --> 01:53:29,634
Speaker 2: It's it's it's hard to argue with that McVeigh. Isn't

2426
01:53:30,034 --> 01:53:33,034
Speaker 2: the top if not, you know, he's he's up there.

2427
01:53:33,514 --> 01:53:36,154
Speaker 3: He's really good. So I was saying, like like there

2428
01:53:36,234 --> 01:53:39,914
Speaker 3: was a lot of pushback on him because of you know,

2429
01:53:40,034 --> 01:53:43,154
Speaker 3: less sneeds, you know, f them picks. We don't need

2430
01:53:43,194 --> 01:53:46,034
Speaker 3: this and oh that's I mean, if you want to

2431
01:53:46,034 --> 01:53:49,114
Speaker 3: buy a championship, you can, you can, you can win

2432
01:53:49,154 --> 01:53:51,994
Speaker 3: one doing it that way, but you know you'll have

2433
01:53:52,034 --> 01:53:53,994
Speaker 3: fun being good one year and then going back to

2434
01:53:54,034 --> 01:53:57,794
Speaker 3: the bottom, which people in this building have said. By

2435
01:53:57,834 --> 01:54:01,154
Speaker 3: the way, he now is eight and four as a

2436
01:54:01,194 --> 01:54:03,194
Speaker 3: play in the playoffs, which means that he's been in

2437
01:54:03,194 --> 01:54:07,434
Speaker 3: the playoffs five times. That's a lot of like one

2438
01:54:07,514 --> 01:54:09,674
Speaker 3: and done's like, that's you know what I mean, that's

2439
01:54:09,674 --> 01:54:11,834
Speaker 3: a lot of like one. You know, they have fun

2440
01:54:11,874 --> 01:54:14,394
Speaker 3: winning your one title. That's five different times they've been

2441
01:54:14,434 --> 01:54:17,594
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. They've cycled it through. They have the

2442
01:54:17,634 --> 01:54:21,234
Speaker 3: youngest defense in football right now. They played an unbelievable

2443
01:54:21,234 --> 01:54:23,194
Speaker 3: game last night. I know some of that had to

2444
01:54:23,234 --> 01:54:25,554
Speaker 3: do with Sam Darnold. I'm not they should they've had

2445
01:54:25,634 --> 01:54:28,514
Speaker 3: nine cells. He was holding the ball forever. Yeah, a

2446
01:54:28,554 --> 01:54:30,554
Speaker 3: lot of that was on Sam Donald last night. But

2447
01:54:31,394 --> 01:54:34,194
Speaker 3: they're a pretty good program. Yeah, really, they're pretty good,

2448
01:54:34,674 --> 01:54:38,074
Speaker 3: pretty good program, and it's not just gonna go away.

2449
01:54:37,874 --> 01:54:39,674
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, what's going on in LA right now

2450
01:54:39,714 --> 01:54:42,514
Speaker 5: is obviously awful. And they had this whole situation where

2451
01:54:42,714 --> 01:54:45,274
Speaker 5: like their families are coming with them, their dogs and

2452
01:54:45,274 --> 01:54:48,114
Speaker 5: their cats are coming with them, and like he held

2453
01:54:48,154 --> 01:54:51,674
Speaker 5: the entire thing together and they absolutely destroyed the Vikings.

2454
01:54:51,914 --> 01:54:54,314
Speaker 3: They played the last game of the year against Seattle

2455
01:54:54,634 --> 01:54:58,594
Speaker 3: with all backups and came within like five yards of winning,

2456
01:54:59,634 --> 01:55:02,754
Speaker 3: like all backups. He completely didn't care. This is the

2457
01:55:02,794 --> 01:55:04,794
Speaker 3: other thing that I think is kind of impressive. He

2458
01:55:04,914 --> 01:55:07,594
Speaker 3: found there to be no difference between going to Tampa

2459
01:55:08,074 --> 01:55:13,114
Speaker 3: and I mean hosting not hosting Tampa, hosting probably Washington,

2460
01:55:14,154 --> 01:55:18,874
Speaker 3: or hosting fourteen win Minnesota. He found no difference there was, right, Yeah,

2461
01:55:19,354 --> 01:55:21,114
Speaker 3: Like that's would you that's confidence?

2462
01:55:21,154 --> 01:55:21,954
Speaker 7: Would you think him one?

2463
01:55:22,834 --> 01:55:24,074
Speaker 8: Would you think of that?

2464
01:55:24,234 --> 01:55:24,474
Speaker 2: Of that?

2465
01:55:24,714 --> 01:55:26,674
Speaker 8: I guess it was an incomplete pass from Stafford.

2466
01:55:26,754 --> 01:55:28,434
Speaker 7: That was terrible.

2467
01:55:28,474 --> 01:55:29,394
Speaker 2: It's a terrible rule.

2468
01:55:29,634 --> 01:55:30,474
Speaker 3: It's a terrible rule.

2469
01:55:30,474 --> 01:55:32,874
Speaker 8: It's like it seemed like he was intentionally trying to

2470
01:55:32,914 --> 01:55:35,314
Speaker 8: ground the ball instead of trying to complete a pass.

2471
01:55:35,434 --> 01:55:37,194
Speaker 3: To me, well, I hate intentional grounding.

2472
01:55:37,234 --> 01:55:39,634
Speaker 2: Well, is that the one that was returned and called that? Yeah,

2473
01:55:39,674 --> 01:55:41,634
Speaker 2: that was he was flipping it out of his head

2474
01:55:41,714 --> 01:55:44,354
Speaker 2: down he did. Yeah, he did an incomplete pass.

2475
01:55:44,634 --> 01:55:47,914
Speaker 3: But I hate it. I hate it, like that should

2476
01:55:47,954 --> 01:55:49,194
Speaker 3: not be so.

2477
01:55:49,874 --> 01:55:53,434
Speaker 2: But Nakua was actually running around in that area right right.

2478
01:55:53,314 --> 01:55:55,514
Speaker 8: But but but but he was trying to complete a

2479
01:55:55,514 --> 01:55:56,754
Speaker 8: pass to him barely.

2480
01:55:57,034 --> 01:55:58,554
Speaker 3: So you're saying it should have been a penalty.

2481
01:55:58,714 --> 01:56:00,114
Speaker 2: I think it should. I mean, I don't know if

2482
01:56:00,154 --> 01:56:00,634
Speaker 2: you're going to call it.

2483
01:56:00,674 --> 01:56:02,194
Speaker 3: I think it should be a fumble, and I know

2484
01:56:02,234 --> 01:56:05,554
Speaker 3: it's not. I know it's not. But I don't think

2485
01:56:05,554 --> 01:56:06,434
Speaker 3: you should be able to do that.

2486
01:56:06,634 --> 01:56:08,154
Speaker 8: No, No, you should be able to do it, right,

2487
01:56:08,234 --> 01:56:10,074
Speaker 8: that's what I have to do it in the vicinity

2488
01:56:10,114 --> 01:56:10,674
Speaker 8: of a player.

2489
01:56:11,914 --> 01:56:13,994
Speaker 3: No, but you're just saying it will be a penalty.

2490
01:56:14,034 --> 01:56:15,714
Speaker 3: I don't think you should be like this far.

2491
01:56:16,314 --> 01:56:17,634
Speaker 2: It should be a penalty. I'm saying it was an

2492
01:56:17,634 --> 01:56:18,434
Speaker 2: incomplete pass.

2493
01:56:19,474 --> 01:56:21,074
Speaker 3: I know what they called. I know, I know what

2494
01:56:21,114 --> 01:56:23,034
Speaker 3: the ruling is, I know what the rules are. Like,

2495
01:56:23,314 --> 01:56:24,914
Speaker 3: can we not disagree with some of the rules. I

2496
01:56:24,914 --> 01:56:26,274
Speaker 3: don't think you should be able to do that as

2497
01:56:26,314 --> 01:56:27,434
Speaker 3: a pass. That's not a pass.

2498
01:56:27,914 --> 01:56:28,634
Speaker 5: It wasn't a pass.

2499
01:56:29,754 --> 01:56:34,074
Speaker 3: I know understand everyone understands what I'm talking about.

2500
01:56:34,714 --> 01:56:36,474
Speaker 5: I mean, that's not why the Vikings lost, like.

2501
01:56:36,714 --> 01:56:40,554
Speaker 3: God, but it could have changed the game, tied it up.

2502
01:56:40,594 --> 01:56:43,514
Speaker 3: I don't think the Vikings got screwed. Don't don't misunderstand this.

2503
01:56:43,594 --> 01:56:46,034
Speaker 3: There's a problem with the rule. I don't think that

2504
01:56:46,674 --> 01:56:49,474
Speaker 3: quarterbacks should be allowed to do that and have that

2505
01:56:49,594 --> 01:56:55,074
Speaker 3: be considered a pass. Okay, that's all all right, but

2506
01:56:55,154 --> 01:56:56,674
Speaker 3: you are but you are allowed to do it, and

2507
01:56:56,794 --> 01:56:58,314
Speaker 3: it clearly was a pass. I agree with you.

2508
01:56:58,794 --> 01:57:00,754
Speaker 2: Eldred's in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

2509
01:57:01,914 --> 01:57:03,354
Speaker 15: Hey doing today?

2510
01:57:03,474 --> 01:57:03,714
Speaker 2: Good?

2511
01:57:04,754 --> 01:57:05,314
Speaker 7: How are you feeling?

2512
01:57:05,354 --> 01:57:07,554
Speaker 15: Eldred disappointed?

2513
01:57:07,554 --> 01:57:11,634
Speaker 2: I wanted up, wanted Johns from the well from.

2514
01:57:11,514 --> 01:57:15,034
Speaker 15: The report after that video chat. He thought he would

2515
01:57:15,074 --> 01:57:17,154
Speaker 15: it would be the Patriots coach, but I know they

2516
01:57:17,194 --> 01:57:21,154
Speaker 15: won't grabel because of premiarity, and I'm just you know,

2517
01:57:21,274 --> 01:57:24,154
Speaker 15: I know it's a pretty good coach. Well, I agree

2518
01:57:24,154 --> 01:57:30,314
Speaker 15: with it in twelve season games, whatever, playoffs, but he

2519
01:57:30,394 --> 01:57:34,434
Speaker 15: will brain discipline. But my question is, if y'all can

2520
01:57:34,474 --> 01:57:36,914
Speaker 15: answer for me real quick, how you think his guy

2521
01:57:37,074 --> 01:57:41,154
Speaker 15: just got released from the Giant of Ryan Coden picked

2522
01:57:41,274 --> 01:57:45,554
Speaker 15: John office under Elliott Wolf as you know in the

2523
01:57:45,634 --> 01:57:47,794
Speaker 15: GM department. I take that off the air.

2524
01:57:48,714 --> 01:57:52,354
Speaker 3: What's your question, though, he's he's going to be the

2525
01:57:52,474 --> 01:57:56,274
Speaker 3: number two guy by all appearances, at least initially in

2526
01:57:56,354 --> 01:57:58,394
Speaker 3: the short term. What happens after the draft? I have

2527
01:57:58,474 --> 01:58:01,714
Speaker 3: no idea, but he's a guy that that Rabel trusts

2528
01:58:01,874 --> 01:58:02,314
Speaker 3: and likes.

2529
01:58:02,474 --> 01:58:04,514
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know it. We're almost out of time. But

2530
01:58:04,634 --> 01:58:08,114
Speaker 5: Reese was on with Zoe and Beatle I think right

2531
01:58:08,514 --> 01:58:11,674
Speaker 5: my show, Yeah, this afternoon and said that his understanding,

2532
01:58:11,714 --> 01:58:14,554
Speaker 5: this is Reese's reporting, is that Mike Rabel is going

2533
01:58:14,594 --> 01:58:16,274
Speaker 5: to have final personnel say right.

2534
01:58:16,594 --> 01:58:21,834
Speaker 2: So it's exactly he's running the personnel by proxy. So

2535
01:58:22,274 --> 01:58:25,194
Speaker 2: they're gonna work together Cowden and Wolf, and when they

2536
01:58:25,314 --> 01:58:27,994
Speaker 2: have a disagreement, Rabel's going to have the final say yeah,

2537
01:58:28,074 --> 01:58:29,714
Speaker 2: they'll come to him with issues.

2538
01:58:30,474 --> 01:58:32,434
Speaker 3: That's the way I lie. I think Phil Perry said

2539
01:58:32,434 --> 01:58:34,994
Speaker 3: the same thing this morning. That's what a lot of

2540
01:58:35,034 --> 01:58:37,154
Speaker 3: people seem to think it's going.

2541
01:58:37,314 --> 01:58:40,114
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, well listen, the way it's going here

2542
01:58:40,594 --> 01:58:42,474
Speaker 2: is that that's the end of the show. We'll be

2543
01:58:42,594 --> 01:58:46,474
Speaker 2: back on Thursday at our regular time at noon. Catch

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Speaker 5: At noon at noon.

2546
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Speaker 2: Yep. So look forward to that you and Alex can

2547
01:58:52,314 --> 01:58:55,514
Speaker 2: battle it out. He got his way, So what's that?

2548
01:58:55,874 --> 01:58:56,554
Speaker 5: He got Rabel?

2549
01:58:56,714 --> 01:58:59,674
Speaker 2: He got Rabel? Yeah, okay, all right, so he's a

2550
01:58:59,714 --> 01:59:02,874
Speaker 2: happy guy. All right. We will see you on Thursday.

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