1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: with on our radio. 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 2: It's time for headlines today. We have some headlines to 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 2: talk about. 5 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Now. 6 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Usually when we break down headlines, we'll have a whole 7 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: list like ten headlines, some of them major, some of 8 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 2: them minor, some of them just great updates. This episode, specifically, 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: we're going to concentrate on two headlines that feel like 10 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: they're dominating the airways of Bachelor Nation, and we want 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: to do a deep dive into both on what we know, 12 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: what we think, and any details that might have been 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: missed along the way as you've just been catching up 14 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: scrolling through your social media. The first headline is this, 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 2: it's actually what we're gonna call it a topic. It's 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: the Gabby versus Clayton situation going on right now. Ashley, 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: this is about a week going on that's just on 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: what's happened for anybody that has no idea what we're 19 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 2: talking about. 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 3: All right, So Gabby was on the Lost Culture Restas 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: podcast and she's just you know, chatting about her life 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: and they brought up Clayton and she said that Clayton's 23 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 3: dance posts on Instagram and TikTok will make you run, 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 3: it'll it'll make you wish you didn't have eyes. And 25 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 3: then I could see there's some humor in that. But 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: then she says he looked like a toe, and then 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 3: it made and then she made a reference to like 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: the Bachelor universe, where like you're filming and you're like 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: wrapped up in a situation, and then like all of 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 3: a sudden, you're basically like attracted to somebody who like 31 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: looks like a toe, or you're like admitting feelings for 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: somebody that you just don't think is that much to 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: look at. 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 2: Let me pause you here, because this is the first 35 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: big statement made by Gabby. I don't quite know if 36 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: I know what she's talking about. So is she like 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: saying he looks like a toe, or is that some 38 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: like new age new verbiage that like references something else, 39 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: or is he she like literally comparing him to a toe. 40 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: I think it might be kind of both. 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: But I know that when people say you look like 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: a toe, like when people say that, it usually just 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 3: means like you're just not cute. 44 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so. 45 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: There you go. And then like I totally understand why 46 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: this would be offensive to Clayton and like, I don't 47 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: know that I would personally respond because like sometimes I 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: feel like there's like more power and not showing that 49 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: it got to But Clayton got on his own social 50 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 3: media and he called her out for being a bully 51 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 3: because she's talking shit about his looks and his passions. 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: Like he has talked about how dancing has made him 53 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: just like a happier person and it's been an outlet 54 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 3: for him when he was in a deep dark depression 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 3: after the show. 56 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: And lots of Bachelornatione came to his support. 57 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 3: Joan was very vocal in the comments section Kelly Flanagan 58 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: and Dotton also he said, that's how you handle it, 59 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 3: my guy, mad respect you keep doing you Clayton, And 60 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: this is not where the drama ends. But Ben, do 61 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 3: you have anything to comment on here, because like right now, 62 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 3: at this point, I am definitely team Clayton, Like, you know, 63 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: he stood up for himself and she was being I 64 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 3: don't know if I like like bully, Like bully is 65 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: like what I think about when you're like like harassing 66 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: someone on the playground. But like here, I just think 67 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 3: she's being mean. You know, It's just she's just saying 68 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 3: one nice things that she could just keep to herself. 69 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 3: You know, if you want to make fun of your ex, 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: just say it to your friends. 71 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: You don't have to say it on a podcast. 72 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 73 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think bullying is any time anybody of 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: influencer power uses that influence and power over somebody else. Right, 75 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: that can be like physical strength, platform whatever. Gabby obviously 76 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: has a bigger platform than Clayton. Her following, especially coming 77 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 2: off of Traders, is so much greater than Clayton's that 78 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: you know, what, what is she actually doing here by 79 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,799 Speaker 2: even speaking about Clayton, because right now she's off doing 80 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: this totally different thing. I think what I Yeah, at 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: this moment in the conversation, based on her podcast, I 82 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: do think it is. It is just simply mean, And 83 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: I think I would imagine Gabby could admit that, like 84 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 2: she wasn't saying this to uplift Clayton or be nice, 85 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: like this was a mean thing to say his dancing, though, 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 2: I would say, hey, if you're critical of it, I 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 2: don't know if that's necessarily a problem, Like you don't 88 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 2: have to watch his videos. 89 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a. 90 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: Turn on, like me watching him on Instagram dance I'd 91 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: be like, mmm, that's not That's not something that I 92 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: want to see from my husband. But I know it's okay. 93 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: But if it's if he's doing it strictly because it 94 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: makes him happy, great, But he also has to realize 95 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: I think at this moment in time, I'm just saying 96 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: what from what I know. He also has to realize 97 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: that people are going to be critical of his dancing 98 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 2: if he's going to post it on social media. Like 99 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: we always say, if you share it with the public, 100 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: you're opening the public up for opinion. Not everybody has 101 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 2: to be like, Oh, Clayton, look how great you are 102 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: at doing these moves. They can be like, hey, man, 103 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: like this is weird for me to watch. That's okay. 104 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: If it was really just for his mental health, he 105 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: would keep it, you know, private, But maybe he is 106 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 2: getting some satisfaction out of the positive comments that do 107 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: come along the way. 108 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 3: Ben totally totally agree with you her saying his dancing 109 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 3: post will make you ron you'll wish you didn't have eyes. 110 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 3: That's her being funny. I think it crosses the line 111 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 3: into being mean when she says, like this show is 112 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 3: going to make you like fall for somebody who looks 113 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 3: like a cow. 114 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred percent agree. Okay, So that's where we 115 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 2: start this thing out at. And also moving on then 116 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 2: to Clayton's response to her saying these things about looking 117 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 2: like a toe and his dance dancing particularly and Ashley 118 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 2: take it away with his response. 119 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, his response was him being like, you're bullying 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: me over looks and passions, and that's where he got 121 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 3: all like the responses from bachtinnations saying, you know, way 122 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 3: to defend yourself. 123 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: She's being a little bitchy. 124 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: Which is totally good too. I will say that's totally fine. 125 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: You should defend yourself this. 126 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: Back and forth totally fine, cool, fine. 127 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 3: I mean, well, you know she was being mean, but 128 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 3: she was also I could see her being a little 129 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: funny in there too. I can if she was going 130 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: to defend herself by saying I was being a little 131 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 3: funny a little bit. Okay. So then Gabby fires back 132 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: on TikTok, and this is where she loses me. I mean, 133 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: I still was more team Clayton, but yes, she definitely 134 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: loses me here when she talks about how she humiliates, 135 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: she goes, that's rich of you to say that I'm 136 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: bullying because you came out and humiliated me and told 137 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: everybody on national TV that we had sex. 138 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, but this is not the. 139 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: Same situation because you guys were all on a reality 140 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: show and you both willingly all went into fantasy suites, 141 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: and you know that a lot of the times what 142 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 3: happens in fantasy sweets doesn't stay in fantasy sweets, and like, 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: you're on a TV show, Like, yeah, lots of parts 144 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: of that relationship that you have on a TV show, 145 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: it's going to be exploited. 146 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: And this is like years ago. 147 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 3: So then he can't help himself and he gets on 148 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: Instagram and he's like, this is unnecessary for you to 149 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: keep bringing up. We have talked about the fact that 150 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: I'm sorry that I brought our fantasy suite intimacy up 151 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: on TV. 152 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: Also, you know, I was the lead. 153 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: You know that, like I, those are things that, like, 154 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 3: as the lead, is very difficult to keep secret. 155 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: We're on a TV show. 156 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: I have tried to apologize to you numbers of times, 157 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: and then he shared DMS between the two of them 158 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three where he apologized to Gabby and 159 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: by looking at the DMS, it looks as if like 160 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: she was responding to him and they were like, oh 161 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: cool too. There was some of it where she didn't respond, 162 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: but like in the midst of like all their dms, 163 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 3: she has like responded to him and they like seem cool. 164 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: So that's the breakdown of the situation. The back and 165 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: forth has happened. She is, you know, I think again 166 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: I'll put words in her mouth, which isn't fair. My 167 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: assumption is she knew she was not being nice when 168 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: she made those original comments. Clayton came back with defending himself, 169 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: which he had every right to do, and defending this 170 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 2: thing that he says helps his mental health out a lot, 171 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: which is dancing, which is great. And it feels like 172 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 2: he's confident enough in dancing that even with the criticisms 173 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 2: and the critiques, he continues to do it, which makes 174 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: me go, good for you, man, Like I love it. 175 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: If I'm not good at something, I'm never posting it 176 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: on social media. But this is obviously something you care 177 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: about and that is healthy for you, and you enjoy 178 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 2: showing off kind of your progress, So great, keep running 179 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 2: with that, honestly. The response by Gabby, I do agree 180 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 2: is where I got lost in the whole thing. This 181 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: was a it felt like pulling back something way back 182 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: in the future that obviously hurt her, which again they've 183 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 2: talked about and they seemed to be okay with. And 184 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: that's where things get weirdest for me is if you've 185 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: explained yourself, both parties has talked about it, some conclusion 186 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: has been granted, you kind of hope forgiveness is given, 187 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: and then this isn't brought up years later, and it's 188 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: also weird that and I just think this is like 189 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: always odd. The person that started this dialogue, right, Gabby 190 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 2: came on this podcast Clayton wasn't really talking about Gabby 191 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 2: at the time. Is also the one then like doubling down. 192 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 2: She's done, that's the best way to say. She doubled 193 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: down on this, saying no, I had every right to 194 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: do this. I meant what I said. You called me 195 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: out for having sex with you in the fantasy suite 196 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: and that is a woman's job to share publicly. 197 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: Which oh, yeah, that's right, that you said that. I 198 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 3: was like, wait a second, it goes both ways. It 199 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: just don't make this sense. 200 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: There, Yeah, yeah, exactly, like a stretch a little bit, 201 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 2: but that's kind of where we're at now. Okay. So 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: my question for you, Ashley is is there any more 203 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: follow up from either of them on either side about 204 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 2: this or is this just done now and it will 205 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: kind of fade off into nowhere's. 206 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 3: Laying Technically it would be Gabby's time to respond, as 207 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 3: Hugh did respond to her TikTok. I don't think Gabby 208 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: is gonna take it any further. So I think that, 209 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 3: if anything, people are trying to use this now as 210 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,479 Speaker 3: a as a method to get Clinton on Dancing. 211 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: With the Stars. Okay, I mean cool, I'm seeing in 212 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: the comments on TikTok. 213 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 2: I mean all four it. If he loves dancing and 214 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: Dancing with the Stars is open to having him, I'd 215 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: say go for it. Man. 216 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: So I say that if this goes anywhere it takes 217 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: him to Dancing with the Stars, that's good for him. 218 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 2: Then he can't be met. He's going to be ecstatic. 219 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know exactly, which he'll have to say, thank you, 220 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 3: Gabby for bringing me up in public again. 221 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: Sure you your traders high? 222 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: Oh goodness gracious. Okay, So the next topic is this one, Ashley, 223 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: and it feels like We've talked about this topic so often, 224 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: and there's a there's an element here, as we talked 225 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: about kind of last week, that controversy seems to bring 226 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: conversation and controversy scene to keep some type of relevance. 227 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: It doesn't really feel like the healthiest path. It doesn't 228 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 2: really feel like how most want to be, you know, 229 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: what most want to be known for. But the Caitlyn 230 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: and Jason thing has lasted so much longer than Caitlin 231 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: and Shawna. I thought that thing lasted forever. There is 232 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: something about Caitlin Bristow's relationships that once they go public 233 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: and once they end. I told Jess this the other day. 234 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of the Taylor Swift effect, 235 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: where it's like they're always kind of there, like they're 236 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: always kind of like the ghosts. 237 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: Of the past, a good analogy. 238 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: It's like you can like they never fully remove themselves 239 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 2: from the situation. And it feels like that way with Caitlin. 240 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: It does. And Jason and Caitlin's conversation or their relationship 241 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: was brought back up again here recently on a podcast 242 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 2: that Caitlyn did. It was her podcast, but she had 243 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: a guest host kind of interviewing her about a situation 244 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 2: that just happened. Now, Ashley, Let's be clear, we've covered 245 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 2: Caitlin and Jason for a long time. 246 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 3: Though. 247 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: There has been a lot of kind of subliminal and 248 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: quiet messaging within both of their social medias and both 249 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: of their public appearances about each other. Isn't there's a 250 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 2: lot of love lost. I would say there is a 251 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: lot of love lost in this relationship. There is a 252 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: lot of moments of tension and the two of them 253 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: being upset with each other and not feeling like this 254 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 2: relationship with something that kind of was healthy. Well, recently 255 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: Caitlyn spoke out on this podcast about kind of what 256 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: it feels like is her tipping point, the moment that 257 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 2: she really is fired up over Ashley? What is it? 258 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 2: And then we'll talk about if it's a big deal 259 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: or not. 260 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: Oh, to me, it's a big deal, all right. 261 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 3: So on the first day they ever met, Caitlyn and 262 00:13:55,960 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: Jason talked about children names, talked about what she has 263 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 3: planned to name her child for a long time, and 264 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: she told him it was Teddy. And I'm assuming this 265 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: is a conversation that was brought up multiple times leading 266 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: up to their engagement, as at some point they were 267 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 3: planning on having children together. But she has the receipts 268 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 3: that on day one she told him Theodore, but it 269 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 3: would never be named Theodore. It would be named Teddy. 270 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 3: It would always go by Teddy. And then he gets 271 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: this dog, asks Instagram what he should name the dog. 272 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: There are a. 273 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: Couple suggestions as to Teddy, I think, and then he 274 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 3: announces a couple of days later that he ends up 275 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 3: naming the dog Teddy. This is to me, huge deal, 276 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: total no, No, this would cross This would get me 277 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 3: over the edge in which I would just have to 278 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: have a vinsaese publicly about this, because it was a 279 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 3: public relationship and I personally could not let him get 280 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: away with this. And you and I are totally different 281 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: when it comes to this stuff, that's all. You and 282 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 3: I are totally different. You're stronger willed person. I could 283 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 3: just tell by your facial expression that you're like, no, 284 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 3: this is something that you can just keep to yourself 285 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: and be the bigger person. And I'm like, absolutely no, that. 286 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 2: Is not at all what I think You're really No. 287 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: I think this is really sad, but I think it's 288 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: really sad I think it is. 289 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't this. 290 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: You are. 291 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely no idea where you're gonna go. 292 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 3: All I know is that you normally think that Caitlyn 293 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: and I should be more private. 294 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. I still I still hold onto that I don't care. 295 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: I don't back down on the fact that I think 296 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: there's like room for privacy here. Yeah. And maybe the 297 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: question of do I think this is a big deal, yes, 298 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 2: it is a public relationship. I do feel like at 299 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: this point Caitlyn was at her breaking point. And I 300 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: don't know that. My only advice to Kaitlyn as a 301 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: friend or in general would be, I don't know if 302 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: you ever speak out publicly when you feel like you're 303 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: at your breaking point, because I think what it ends 304 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: up doing is it it communicates a lot of like 305 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: drama and a lot of anger that maybe you're just 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: feeling in the moment. Like I don't know how this 307 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: played out, but I imagine at playing out like this. 308 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: Caitlyn sees that Jason names the dog Teddy, she calls 309 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: up her friends. She's like, you got to get over 310 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: here and interview me because I am mad and I'm 311 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: not going to talk about myself, and so to answer 312 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: your question, I do, though, feel like it's a big deal. 313 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: I do feel like it is. It showed a lack 314 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: of respect, It showed a lack of care for somebody 315 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: that you're obviously not like fans of right now, but you, 316 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: at one point in your life had a lot of 317 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: love for. And if this was an obvious conversation the 318 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: two of them had about this baby name and how 319 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 2: Caitlyn has always dreamed of naming her child this name, 320 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: and then you name your dog that name, and I 321 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: know that Instagram would asked, and I know people recommended Teddy. 322 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 2: There are ways to set that up for people to 323 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: send in messages like you should name it Teddy. Uh, 324 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not like playing, I'm not agreeing with 325 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 2: that and saying, oh, this is just a random, like 326 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 2: voted on name. I think this was definitely shots fired. 327 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: Do I think it needed to be handled from Caitlin 328 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: in the way that it did. I don't know. It's 329 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: up to her, but I definitely can see where she 330 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: would be upset and sad. My word for this would 331 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: be sad. This this if I was Kitlyn, and I'd 332 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: just be sad that this name has seemed to be 333 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: taken away from me, like that's so sad. 334 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 3: Point if somebody had named if my act named their 335 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: dog Dawson, after I had it planned for fifteen years. 336 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: I would bust. I would be so angry. 337 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 3: And to me, it would feel like to me, okay, 338 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be freaking honest right now, I maybe call 339 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 3: me like, you know, maybe people are just going to 340 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 3: see like my friendship with Caitlyn like obvious here, but 341 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 3: guess what, I don't care. This to me felt like 342 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: an intentional move to him, like an intentional move to see, like, 343 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 3: let's see if I can annoy her so bad that 344 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 3: and then she has to make this decision whether or 345 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 3: not to explode at me publicly or keep it in. 346 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: And either way I'm winning because I'm dominating space in 347 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 3: her mind. And if she does explode publicly, then people 348 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 3: are gonna there's gonna be fifty percent of the people 349 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 3: on my side. 350 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be really, that'd be a really. I mean, 351 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: I think I know how like how friends work, and 352 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: I think that's You've been a great friend, so I 353 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: like and a bit in a protector of your friendship, 354 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 2: which is awesome. I can't say that I think that's 355 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: how this went down, other than I will say if 356 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 2: it is what went down, and Jason does see the 357 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: headlines and he already listens to the podcast, like that 358 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: is a place that you need to check yourself, Like 359 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: you need to figure out where your intentions are and 360 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: what you're trying to actually do and how you're trying 361 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: to create space on the airwaves and in somebody else's head. 362 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 2: Because it is sad no matter what if this was intentional, 363 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: if it was a forgotten about thing by Jason and 364 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: he forgot they had this conversation or what. It is 365 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: really sad that Caitlin told him this and now this 366 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: has been taken from her outside of everything else. I 367 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: know that people had a negative reaction to her interview. 368 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 2: She had to come out publicly. We're going to talk 369 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: about her public apology in just a second. I get 370 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 2: that they did, and I know that they feel like 371 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 2: she's making a situation, a small situation, a big one, 372 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: and really creating this drama. But we have to understand 373 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: that it is sad no matter what if it was 374 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 2: intentional or not. This name is no longer going to 375 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: be able to be used by her, and like that 376 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 2: just hurts a little bit, no matter who you are. 377 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 3: The most innocent way we could think about this is 378 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 3: that he did somehow forget that this was going to 379 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 3: be her name. And I just don't believe that, because 380 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: I don't believe that you can be engaged to someone 381 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 3: and then not remember what you were planning on naming 382 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 3: your kids. 383 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if this was intentional, I would just say, like, 384 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: that's a really tough place to be in in life 385 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: when you're making these type of decisions that will hurt 386 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: others intentionally, and I just cannot put that on somebody 387 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 2: without knowing that to be the case. 388 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: So like, I'm sorry, Like this is my apology to 389 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 3: Jason if I am wrong, But I just find it's 390 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: hard to believe that you wouldn't remember what she was 391 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: going to name the dog. 392 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: And now I understand that. 393 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: Caitlin went off further in this podcast episode about Jason, 394 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: and she said, like a lot she should have ended 395 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 3: the relationship earlier because a lot of what they were 396 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 3: doing together just felt like business, like social media. They 397 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 3: were staying together for social media for way too long, 398 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 3: and she said that felt gross. Nicky, I think that's 399 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 3: kind of where people have the problem is that she's 400 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,200 Speaker 3: like continuing to air out issues about their hurt their relationship, 401 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 3: and then she wasn't just focused on this dog name thing. 402 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,160 Speaker 3: But I understand how feelings and emotions work, especially when 403 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 3: you're in a public relationship and people aren't seeing your 404 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: side because like sometimes it feels like the other person's 405 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 3: playing the game better or people are more tracted to 406 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 3: the way that they play the game. 407 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: So I understand the frustration, and it boiled up. 408 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,239 Speaker 2: It boiled up. It boiled up for sure. And as 409 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 2: I've said publicly before, don't mess with Kaylen Bristow. No 410 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: matter what here is happening, I don't mess with her 411 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: because once you unleash her, she will she will make 412 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: sure the public knows how she's feeling and what she's thinking. 413 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: And that's why people love her too, It's why people 414 00:21:54,680 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: follow her show. However, this situation in this podcast interview 415 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: did it feel like hit a nerve with Caitlin because 416 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 2: she did come out on her off the Vine podcast 417 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: up kind of group and make an apology. I'll read 418 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 2: this apology and Ashley will get your reactions. She says, 419 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: I'm coming to my audience who means the most to me. 420 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: I take accountability for wanting to hold someone back from podcasting. 421 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 2: I knew deep down this was a me problem, and 422 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 2: I also knew it would start a crossover that would 423 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: be hard in a relationship. What I thought would happen 424 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 2: did I clearly didn't leave when he did it. Anyways, 425 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: I did more therapy around it and was just it 426 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 2: was just a boundary I made clear that was crossed, 427 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 2: and I tried to work through it. But there was 428 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: so much more than just that. Again, I see how 429 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: it can seem unfair. Yes, Teddy is a common dog name. 430 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: Yes he can name his dog whatever he wants. And 431 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 2: it's eft up that he knew it was my dream 432 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: baby Now, we talked about it. 433 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 1: For years, talked about it for years. 434 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I have major things to work on in relationships, 435 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: and I've already done so much work. I've seen tremendous 436 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: growth in myself. I'm so proud of who I am today. 437 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: My timeline of processing and being who I am doesn't 438 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: have to look like anyone else's standard for a timeline. 439 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: I see all the love and I want to give 440 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: it all back. I see all the hate and I 441 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 2: want to give them love too. No one like that 442 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: will ever understand and that's okay. I don't understand them either. 443 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 2: Navigating a world where sharing your story is risky, freeing, 444 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: and extremely hard, but I encourage everyone to think about it, 445 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 2: and yes, do not wish ill on anyone. I'm choosing 446 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: now to let them, and I'm glad I gave some context. 447 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,239 Speaker 2: I don't like that I'm still talking about it, but 448 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: it felt good to stand up for myself. Of course, 449 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: have moved on, and it doesn't mean I can't speak 450 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: my truth. Do I have anxiety around a calculator response? 451 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: I do. Do I think that he subtly shades me 452 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: a lot? Yes, but I'm choosing light and prayer moving 453 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: forward for everyone. 454 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: I love this Off. 455 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: The Vine family so much. Thank you Upward, nonward high vibes, 456 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: wah Ashley, and closing here, this was her apology, kind 457 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 2: of reinstating some things that she felt strongly about, but 458 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 2: also admitting some things that maybe she overreacted to. 459 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: What's your take? 460 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I want to clarify the first paragraph of 461 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: her apology. She says she wants to take accountability for 462 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: holding somebody back from podcasting, So basically, she said really 463 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: early on Jason, I don't want you doing podcasts because 464 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 3: the podcasting is my thing, and she didn't want them 465 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 3: to be competing and podcasting. And again it was just 466 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 3: like kind of like a let's we're intermingling our romantic 467 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 3: relationship with a business relationship too much. So she's apologizing 468 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: for that, and I, you know, good, I would see 469 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 3: how people would have an issue with that. 470 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: The teddy thing. 471 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I still stand by what I said earlier. 472 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 3: And then the rest of her apology, I think like 473 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: if her audience really had a problem with her talking 474 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 3: about Jason in this way, I think they also need 475 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 3: to think about what she's told us on this podcast before, 476 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 3: and that is that, like our is public, and sometimes 477 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 3: when the stuff that relates back to us gets like 478 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: brought up again in the mainstream, like you know, Jason's 479 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: dog name, or like when we see it on social media, 480 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 3: like we have to kind of comment about it, because 481 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 3: it'd be weird if we have this platform in which 482 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 3: we like have our job is to speak and to 483 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: speak about you know, bachelor related things a lot of 484 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 3: the times, and then we just don't speak about that. 485 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 3: So you and I end up talking about x'es on 486 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: this podcast in a way that normal people wouldn't talk 487 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 3: about their exes. Still, like, it makes sense for us 488 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 3: to talk about people who we dated because we dated 489 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 3: it on TV in front of our audience, which is 490 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: why she brings. 491 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: Him up so much. 492 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 3: She wouldn't bring them up if it was just like 493 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 3: this guy that she dated in her early twenties. 494 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,199 Speaker 2: I agree. No, I don't really have a problem with 495 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 2: people talking about past relationships and clarifying, especially when it 496 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 2: feels like you need to do it to protect yourself. 497 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: And that goes both sides, right, that goes from that 498 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 2: goes on both sides. I understand that. I think there's 499 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 2: a respect level there. I think there is a level 500 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: of trust still. You know, you shared life with me, 501 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 2: you know a lot about me, so please don't air 502 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: things that could hurt me. And I think in this situation, particularly, 503 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 2: Caitlin said a lot of things podcast ask jobs all 504 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: those things, and I think the big key moment is 505 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 2: she felt disrespected by the dog name because it felt 506 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: like it was an intentional move. I think she thinks 507 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 2: it was an intentional move. Yeah, I can't confidently say 508 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 2: it because I don't know his intentions behind it. I 509 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: know friends will say, hey, this was definitely an intentional 510 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 2: move because they're protecting Caitlin here, But either way, I 511 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 2: get how she's upset. I also am glad that she 512 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: is coming out and saying, hey, I'm working on myself 513 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: through all this too, because I don't think she's completely 514 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:40,239 Speaker 2: in the wrong to voice her concerns. But I just 515 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 2: don't know how beneficial it is to let discontinue for 516 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: too much longer, because it feels like it just keeps 517 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: them in the public tied together, and it makes it 518 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 2: almost incapable of them moving forward with somebody else and 519 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,159 Speaker 2: of like romantic, serious, committed relationship when your name is 520 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: so closely tied to somebody else so often. 521 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: I need to know whether Jason has said on Instagram yet. 522 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: Oh whoops, I totally forgot. 523 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 3: I didn't know that at all, because I don't think 524 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 3: he has said that. 525 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 2: That's probably a conversation for next week. Well, Hey, those 526 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: are the two big topics. 527 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: This fan's like, let's move on, let's have them stop 528 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 3: talking about each other. 529 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, but has he denied this. 530 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 2: We'll keep breaking this stuff down next week. We're going 531 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 2: to continue to get to the bottom of you here 532 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: at the Almost Famous Podcast, because that's what we do. 533 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 2: We talk about other people just like they talk about themselves. 534 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 2: Until next time, I've Been Ben, I've. 535 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: Been Ashley SIA. 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