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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast got a negative grade from

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus. Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hanzas, and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by a room felled with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, and Greg ros at All. What's up boys, Hey? Dan?

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl Sunday, super Bowl fifty in the books. We

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Speaker 1: come to you live from k NBR six eighties studios,

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Speaker 1: the Sports Leader of San Francisco. They were kind enough

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Speaker 1: to give us their their studio, and let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: we don't know how the back you know, back room

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Speaker 1: dealings are between a corporate giant like the NFL and

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Speaker 1: a major radio station. The NFL could have paid millions

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Speaker 1: to set this up. Well though, the Sports Leader six eighties,

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Speaker 1: so they might have. Maybe they were leading the negotiations,

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Speaker 1: that's true. But we are here in the studio. We

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Speaker 1: took about an hour ride um from Levi's Stadium to

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Speaker 1: the studio to tape our annual Super Bowl post super

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Speaker 1: Bowl podcast. It is, let's face it, I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl of podcasts, presented by and sponsored by

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Speaker 1: Scott Trade. What a Guy, The third annual post Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl podcast I believe the first time we've ever done

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Speaker 1: from radio station. Usually it's up in the press boxes

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Speaker 1: a little different. We're trying to get some energy. Dan's

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Speaker 1: got the five hour Energy drink, but we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: have to be fueled by by the hate of Panthers

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Speaker 1: fans everywhere. Yeah. When I because I don't drink coffee.

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Speaker 1: basically John Belushi for the first two hours of the shot.

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Speaker 1: So I'm okay, Wes is in desperate need of a beer.

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Speaker 1: So that's why we're gonna keep things moving today. Uh,

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Speaker 1: for the sake of West, I'm a desperate need of

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Speaker 1: more than one beer. Yes, and West wearing a handsome

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Speaker 1: winter cap right now. Uh, West looks absolutely fans. I

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Speaker 1: should say, we're all yeah, we're all included. Mark, did

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Speaker 1: you say you had a grievance before we get into it. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's slight grievance. We're in. This is a wonderful studio

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Speaker 1: and we're very happy to be here. But we're situated

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Speaker 1: where the three of you are on one side of

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Speaker 1: Greg's face, and I said, you know, there's a chemistry

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Speaker 1: issue here. Now it doesn't matter, so you know, I

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Speaker 1: had to stand up. And then Greg gets to pick

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Speaker 1: perfectly or what I'm wearing with your headphones for like

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Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neil's sister. So I'm gonna be standing up for

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Speaker 1: the next forty five minutes in an attempt to save

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Speaker 1: this Super Bowl show. So, like any Sessler story that

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Speaker 1: has filtered through a system that's so skewed, it comes

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Speaker 1: out different the other way. I was trying to take

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Speaker 1: the worst headset for you, and look, we're we're Is

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Speaker 1: this accurate? Well? Really away? I would estimate three three

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Speaker 1: and a half feet He's also also could have been

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Speaker 1: describing my Super Bowl forty nine experience. How does it

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Speaker 1: feel being separated from the group in a big spot?

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Speaker 1: I feel much closer to the pain that you felt

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Speaker 1: that evening this show, And it makes sense because if

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Speaker 1: we didn't, we we should probably lose our jobs. Will

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Speaker 1: be focused on the game that was played today, and

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Speaker 1: yes they have not come up yet in the show,

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Speaker 1: which is remarkable. But the Denver Broncos for the third

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Speaker 1: Panthers the final obviously uh an upset. We for the

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Speaker 1: entire week. Um, you know, everyone in our group except

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Speaker 1: yet the game we saw, Greg and we'll get we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go through the game kind of quarter by quarter,

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Speaker 1: the game we expected. It wasn't but it was exactly

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Speaker 1: last three weeks. They have shown And we were talking

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Speaker 1: even Mark was saying during the game, well, I still

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Speaker 1: game to win in the NFL. But the Broncos just

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Speaker 1: and Von Miller and DeMarcus Ware practically won a Super

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Speaker 1: they hit Cam Newton thirteen times. Seventh acts tie that

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Speaker 1: if not better. I think it's a game to where

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Speaker 1: head coach. I think that Wade Phillips is the star

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Speaker 1: You wrote about him, Dan, I mean, he had four

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't write this stuff on

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Speaker 1: quick note. I mean we've sat across each other for

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Speaker 1: cod is a violent overthrow of a government. See that's

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Speaker 1: the first quarter? Makes sense again, logic rules the day Uh,

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Speaker 1: But what happens. The Broncos take the kick off, They

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Speaker 1: last challenge on a play that he was right about,

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Speaker 1: but you only gained seven yards. It was second down,

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Speaker 1: wasn't big deal. And then the end of the first

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Speaker 1: half they really botched the time management situation. They ran

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Speaker 1: out of time. Uh, they took too long going up

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Speaker 1: to before their third down rush to keep the drive

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Speaker 1: going around midfield, and it just it just felt like

435
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Speaker 1: a team that was unsettled and wasn't comfortable in that situation.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like a veteran quarterback m VP of the

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Speaker 1: league leading the team, and it didn't show a lot

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Speaker 1: of confidence that they were going to even score in

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Speaker 1: that spot and they didn't in the end. That the

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Speaker 1: half ended on a DeMarcus ware sac and I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much that means, but that feeling

442
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Speaker 1: of the Broncos ending it exactly how they started it,

443
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Speaker 1: stopping Cam Newton and then running to the half to

444
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Speaker 1: mean they must have felt like they were on top

445
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Speaker 1: of that. I think it's the first time season it's gravelly.

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Speaker 1: It's really it's intriguing to when you talk about the

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Speaker 1: top gravel voices of all time, Greg now enters the

448
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Speaker 1: conversation very strangely right up there with Kathleen Turner Turner out.

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Speaker 1: I wish I was as manly as that was that

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Speaker 1: right there, that little clip we have to keep the

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Speaker 1: is Johnny Cash knowing the pot with us today ahead,

452
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Speaker 1: I would just say that I think that Super Bowl

453
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Speaker 1: seems so strange because in theory, it's the two most

454
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Speaker 1: resilient teams in the NFL squaring off against each other.

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Speaker 1: But so often we've seen that if someone gets buried early,

456
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Speaker 1: everything starts to change. And I think the Panthers had

457
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Speaker 1: not faced a defense like this or a challenge like

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Speaker 1: this over the course of thirty minutes, and it looked

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Speaker 1: that way. They just it's not a game we've seen

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Speaker 1: from them all season, right, So then here comes halftime,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I thought it was a pretty solid

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Speaker 1: halftime show. It seems like reviews were mixed. Beyonce, by

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Speaker 1: the way, come on, what are you playing your new

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Speaker 1: single for? And I understand it. And Greg made a

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Speaker 1: good point in the ride back from the stadium that

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Speaker 1: you can call her shots at this stage of her career.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of badass in away, but you know,

468
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Speaker 1: you're playing the super Bowl. Give the people what they want.

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Speaker 1: Everything in life is not a power play. Everything in

470
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Speaker 1: life is not about leverage. A lot of people want

471
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Speaker 1: is to be in the Super Bowl and entertain people

472
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Speaker 1: so do it. At the end of that performance too,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people wanted more Beyonce and less cold Play.

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Speaker 1: So more cold Play to me and I, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was listening with one ear, but like the whole

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I mean, we know what

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Speaker 1: cold play is. What were we expecting? They are exactly

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Speaker 1: what we thought they'd be. Right. It's one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite moments in our podcast history. Mark Mark say we

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Speaker 1: know what cold play is. It's like he's talking about

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Speaker 1: Alex Smith in a week fourteen Chiefs game or something.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't these guys, are we seen them before? They're

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Speaker 1: gonna just go out there, gonna do their cold play.

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Speaker 1: I was mesmerized by the post cold play segment where

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Speaker 1: West was dancing to Bruno Mars in his in his

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Speaker 1: little Super Bowl fifty gold, white and black, and he

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Speaker 1: and I took some video of It's on my on

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Speaker 1: my feet. I mean, it's just mesmerized. I think everyone

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Speaker 1: in the press box was just fascinated by Mark. Mark

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Speaker 1: has mentioned how attractive he has been to West in

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Speaker 1: his hat many times. It's a great combination. I could

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Speaker 1: not stop taking photos of what was happening. My thirty

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Speaker 1: five dollars Super Bowl hat that I bought because the

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Speaker 1: winds were gusting throughout the afternoon. Connor tells me it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be forty nine degrees as soon as it gets dark.

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Speaker 1: The wind dies down totally. Once the game starts and

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Speaker 1: it stays like sixty degrees. We should touch on the

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Speaker 1: weather because Greg and I ended up taking a separate

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Speaker 1: bus when we pulled up to the stadium after that

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Speaker 1: endless ride from San Francisco to Santa Clara. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't even be the San Francisco forty Niners. I mean,

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Speaker 1: let's be honest that that is like a forty mile trip.

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Speaker 1: People get on like the Jets and Giants. That's a

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Speaker 1: that's a mile and a half from downtown Manhattan. This

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Speaker 1: is a forty mile trip our plus without a liquor

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Speaker 1: traffic MS. Patriots like the sand something forty or you're

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Speaker 1: the Santa Clara forty Niners, or like the Bay Area Rockers,

508
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Speaker 1: just completely rebrand yourself. I don't know, there's no tradition

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Speaker 1: to the forty Niners organizations that would makes sense. My

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Speaker 1: point is the weather was beautiful. There wasn't a cloud

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Speaker 1: in the sky, The sun was out, gentle breeze are

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Speaker 1: picked up a little bit as the afternoon war on.

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Speaker 1: But just gorgeous weather. Top weather day certainly in my

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Speaker 1: in my Super Bowl history, absolutely and remember the weather

515
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Speaker 1: that day when we're in Indianapolis in a couple of

516
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Speaker 1: weeks and we want to die and that takes us

517
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Speaker 1: out of our our halftime to scotch and we moved

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Speaker 1: to the third quarter. And as we said, the Panthers,

519
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Speaker 1: truly dominant for much of their playoff run, kept shooting

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Speaker 1: themselves in the foot. In the first half, he's false,

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Speaker 1: starts to lay a game penalty here, mistackle there. And

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Speaker 1: then the second half they take the ball ten plays

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Speaker 1: fifty four yards. You think, oh, now they're cooking again.

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Speaker 1: And remember it's thirteen seven. This is a six point game.

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Speaker 1: And what happens. Kick is all the way very high,

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Speaker 1: hits me upright and bounces away. No good just I mean,

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Speaker 1: Graham Gono ms is a field goal, I believe, from

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Speaker 1: forty three yards a kick you gotta make that pulls

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Speaker 1: him within three points. And if he makes that, kid,

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Speaker 1: we talked about the contry miss it's a totally different

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Speaker 1: game because as good as Broncos defenses. If you're playing

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Speaker 1: a three point game. If it's a three point game,

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Speaker 1: anything could happen. Right. There was a late we'll get

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Speaker 1: to it later on, but that field goal weighed so

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Speaker 1: heavily that in what it forced Carolina to have to do.

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Speaker 1: And on the flip side, what did the Broncos lose?

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Speaker 1: Five fumbles? Was it? And they recovered all of them? No,

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Speaker 1: they lost four, recovered all four and then the fifth

539
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Speaker 1: they did not get paid many, But I mean it

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Speaker 1: had had those other ones not and then and they

541
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Speaker 1: were the ball was bouncing around the field. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: just it fell out of his hands into his knees.

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Speaker 1: It was bouncing around. What a different game it would be,

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Speaker 1: not all these brakes not going Denver's way. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I and that's that's football, you know. So like there's

546
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Speaker 1: gonna be Panthers fans that you're gonna say that the

547
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Speaker 1: Broncos just got lucky. That's kind of the way it is.

548
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Speaker 1: But you have to there's got to be frustrating frustration

549
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: building because not only are these players happening, then on

550
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Speaker 1: top of it, you don't seem like you're getting the

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Speaker 1: referee help or the the luck helps m Well, but

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Speaker 1: I think the Super Bowl, more than any game, is

553
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Speaker 1: an emotional game, and that the Broncos come out in

554
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Speaker 1: the first half and they get that three nothing early

555
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: lead with a good drive, and then they get the

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Speaker 1: ten nothing. This was the Panthers chance to kind of

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Speaker 1: set okay, this half is different, and it felt like it.

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00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: He gets a big play down the field to Ted

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00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: again right to to start the drift. They moved the

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Speaker 1: ball down the field and then they stall the Catrey. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the Cantrey drop. He's one on one on von Miller.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta win. You gotta win that matchup,

563
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Speaker 1: and Catre drops it inside the ten third and eleven.

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00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: Newton does not have a great pass to greg Olsen,

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Speaker 1: and then they missed the field goals. So you you

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Speaker 1: had a chance to have a good feeling, even if

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Speaker 1: with the field goal, and instead it kind of sets

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Speaker 1: the tone that, oh, here we go again. It's this

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable sort of game. So instead of momentum swinging the

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Speaker 1: Panthers maybe punching in for a touchdown to take the lead,

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Speaker 1: we're getting the field goal to cut it to three.

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Speaker 1: They give the Broncos good field position and the Broncos

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Speaker 1: take advantage. They go down the field fifty four yards.

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Speaker 1: Their drive stalls, and this was this could have been

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Speaker 1: a costly missed Greg and you this happened right in

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Speaker 1: front of us on third down. Damarius Thomas hung open,

577
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: heading towards the back of pylon and Peyton either didn't

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Speaker 1: see him or ran out of time and went with

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Speaker 1: an underneath route, stalling another drive. So again Peyton really

580
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Speaker 1: doing nothing. Well, yeah, he didn't have a good game.

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Speaker 1: I mean he got one interception and he could have

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Speaker 1: had more, including on that play got broken up. They

583
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: were just jumping his routes and and we've seen this

584
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Speaker 1: in a couple of plays in the red zone where

585
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: he didn't see guys open, and that was that was

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Speaker 1: one right in front of us where he just thought

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Speaker 1: the old Peyton manning seized Thomas and he gets it.

588
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: So now we're at sixteen seven. Uh an intercept, an

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Speaker 1: interception thrown by Cam Newton. Another interception, do I this

590
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Speaker 1: is the one with again drops it in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: After the drive before that was basically the tech gain

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Speaker 1: drive and then this one. I just thought he played

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Speaker 1: a really soft game. Yeah, he's a soft player to

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00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: begin with and he wanted to run out of bounds

595
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: every time he got the ball. He doesn't fight through

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Speaker 1: a defender in the red zone when he Cam needed

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00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: him to fight through that defendant. And that was everyone

598
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: was noticing you started all over Twitter. There were several

599
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: plays where and I remember when we sit on the

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Speaker 1: White Couch for the NFL Now Game Day Blitz show

601
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: on Sundays, when you would watch highlights with m J

602
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Speaker 1: D and Ike Taylor, they would always get angry on

603
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Speaker 1: an interception return or a play where a guy Brokelyn

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Speaker 1: where they kind of cut towards a sideline or and

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Speaker 1: set it back towards the middle. I remember one specific

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Speaker 1: play with a gain where it looked like you really

607
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Speaker 1: had a chance to maybe take it to the house

608
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Speaker 1: and just slid out of bounds. And it wasn't the

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Speaker 1: first time he did it. They the receivers killed Camma

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Speaker 1: Kim did not have a good game. Now, all of

611
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: these things they don't have to be mutually exclusive. The

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00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: Broncos defense played great, Kim did not have a great game,

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Speaker 1: But the Panthers receivers also killed Cam. And if the

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Speaker 1: Panthers receivers had played the game of their lives, it

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00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: would have been a different type of game. They did

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Speaker 1: not lift him up like he's lifted them up. Really

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Speaker 1: this whole season, I couldn't agree more. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: and we knew, you know, that was the narrative in

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Speaker 1: training camp going into the season. That was a weakness

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Speaker 1: of Carolina. Kelvin Benjamin goes down. How do you possibly

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Speaker 1: overcome that? And instead that team was the team they

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Speaker 1: were because of these role players becoming such a help

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Speaker 1: to Cam Newton. And it all fell apart because they

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Speaker 1: played a defense they haven't seen all year a right,

625
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Speaker 1: so after the interception, the Broncos can't make anything happen.

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Speaker 1: They trade punts and really the last time you saw

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Speaker 1: the Broncos be aggressive on any level. They let Manning

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Speaker 1: drop back. He gets hit by Cony Eally a strip

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Speaker 1: lost bumble and the Panthers get the ball back. Cony

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Speaker 1: Ealely West did not play a ton of snaps, but

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Speaker 1: he had a huge impact. Yeah, I think you credit

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman, who has talked about hog Molly's and Blue

633
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Speaker 1: Blue Goose pass rushers and and Cony Ealely is a

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Speaker 1: guy he picked up in the second round that they needed,

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Speaker 1: and I think when you look at the game Cony

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Speaker 1: Eally had, I think you look at these two teams

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Speaker 1: and you kind of say, the Panthers are in better

638
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: shape going forward. They should continue to win that division,

639
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: uh and be a force in the NFC, and the

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00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: Broncos have a lot of questions about their future. He

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Speaker 1: didn't even play thatch like like Dan said, I don't

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00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: know what the final snaptotal was, but it was only

643
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Speaker 1: at sixteen, at the point where he had already made

644
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl history. He's the first guy ever with multiple sacks.

645
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: He ends up with three and a interception, and he

646
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: ended up forcing a fumble to It's it's an outrageous

647
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: game by him, and this is this is the part

648
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: of the game again now where you you keep waiting

649
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: for that kind of Cam magic and you're like, all

650
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: right now after the fumble, we got a six point game. Again.

651
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: The whole time, I'm thinking they're gonna score quick touchdown

652
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: and after this whole game of Denver being in control,

653
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna be losing. In the fourth quarter of the quarterback,

654
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: they can't move the ball, uh to save his life.

655
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: But again they moved the ball to twenty nine yards

656
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: on sixth place, but they can't they can't move it

657
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Well, when I want to go

658
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: back to the decision to throw it on third and

659
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: fourteen and Peyton Manning fumbles the ball, and at that

660
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: point people are killing Kubiak for being too aggressive, and

661
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: later in the game they're killing him for being too

662
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: conservative and running on third and long, and and I'm thinking,

663
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not the coaching. It's not the coaching.

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00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: The Panthers defense is much better and this Broncos offense

665
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: can't do anything. It's a miracle that this is not

666
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: a miracle, but it's amazing that this team won won

667
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's not coaching. Carrie Kubec wasn't gonna

668
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: make the magic decision where this Broncos defense was gonna

669
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: make good plays. They just weren't making any good places

670
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: no matter what they were doing. So I couldn't really

671
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: kill them for being aggressive or being conservative. It obviously

672
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: made sense in the end that they were just trying

673
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: to get out of there and just stay out of

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Speaker 1: the way. With their office looking at through like forty

675
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: four like circles of wire, I can this is the

676
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: most surreal podcast I've ever experienced. I'll tell me not

677
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: for the three of you. Greg's passionate. He's gotta rasp

678
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: in his voice like that King Cole in n and

679
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: he's delivering the goods. Would that be fair to say? Was? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you surprised me by nailing the years on

681
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: that King Cole's prime. Thank you, Thank you, Christopher. Also

682
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: I should say that solid uh you know four thousand

683
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: carrot NFL fifty lapel pin that you've been using to

684
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: mock us, and it's also tumbling you down. The common

685
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: rankings has now flipped upside down, and it seems like

686
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: a shot against the I had a random friend who

687
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: has never even met West text me based off a

688
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: photo we SAWID said, Chris Wesleyan's pin is outrageous. It

689
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: was his only comment about the Super Bowl, and one

690
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: of which you were all given. It's a little bit goody,

691
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: it's a little flashy for your taste. I would think

692
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: you are like the Dan Sanders of our group. Right now,

693
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: I am festive. It says super Bowl on it, and

694
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Speaker 1: I'm at the super Bowl. Wesleyan, however, watched the game.

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00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: Listen the Shadowy League figures they don't even know where

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00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: we are right now. That was a bit that was

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Speaker 1: a bit by Greg before we were locked away in

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Speaker 1: a foreign studio. They have no access. This could be

699
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Speaker 1: our real chance if we wanted to take some shots,

700
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: maybe drop some Haymakers and then head off to you know,

701
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: podcast dot com slash or we could go from being

702
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: an international podcast to a regional one in northern California

703
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: six eighty the Sports Leader. That would be a huge

704
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: step for us. Or we could all, you know, wake

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00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: up on Tuesday and suddenly, really, hey, why didn't Sydney

706
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: ever post that podcast? What happened? Didn't? From like half asleep,

707
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: so you know, got you? I would I would like

708
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 1: to hear like Mark talking six hours about a San

709
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: Francisco Giants Miami Marlin's game in June. I would rather

710
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Speaker 1: be shot to death. So back to the game. So, yeah,

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00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: the Panthers get the ball after the Manning fumble, and

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00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: this is this is probably another play that George Josh

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Speaker 1: Norman was referring to. On a third down, Newton targets

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Speaker 1: Ted Gin. It looks like Robie might have interfered with him.

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00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: You could certainly, um make the case that was past

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00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 1: interference and the Panthers should have had first in goal.

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00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: What did you guys think about that play? Was that

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00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: a bad no call? Or was it? Okay? I thought

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00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: it was a terrible no call. He basically tackled him

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00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: before before the ball got there. I mean, a gain

721
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: was probably gonna drop it. Let's be fair. But I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say anything because the least attractive thing

723
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: in sports his fans complaining about officials. Well I don't. Okay,

724
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: that's fine, but we're not fans. We're not fans of that.

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00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: I know. I just don't want to give Panthers fans

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00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: any more. Well, plus, it's true the officials really, I mean,

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00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: they got a couple of bad breaks, but no one's

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00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: gonna No one in their right mind could think that

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00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: the officials cost the Panthers a game. Giving Yeah, so

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00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, makes the kick. So it's sixteen ten now

731
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Speaker 1: ten twenty one to go in the fourth quarter, and

732
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: what happens again? The Broncos go three and out again

733
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: and they gained four yards. It really is remarkable, And

734
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: this is when this game really it started to crystallize

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00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 1: that the Caroline is just not going to get over

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Speaker 1: the hump. They go three and out. Then the Panthers

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00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: get it back. They go three and out, and then

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Speaker 1: uh in what was the game that really sealed the

739
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers fate and uh all but locked up a

740
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: third Super Bowl for the Denver Broncos. And guess who

741
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: is at the center of it? Von Miller. They rushed

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00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: four in the pocket is Newt and pumps knocked out

743
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: his hands. It bounces around and I think Giver's got

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00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: it balls still is free. D J Ward's kept the

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00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: call the Carolina five yard line. Von Miller again, you

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00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: know Miller after the after the game, I keep to

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00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: leave Navon Miller was the m v P running away

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Speaker 1: with it. But keep to Leave talked about t J

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Speaker 1: Ward had he had he pull taken that in for

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Speaker 1: a touchdown that he moves into that conversation. I mean

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00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: t J Ward played an amazing game tonight, all over

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00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: the place, disruptive, a couple of turnovers. I mean, he

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00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: was fantastic. Was he even the best safety on the field?

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00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, honestly, I can I cannot comment on that

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00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: right now. Darren Stewart helps set up another big turnover,

756
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 1: so there's no question about that. But t j Ward delivered,

757
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean, but these guys were both questionable. At one point,

758
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: would would these guys play? Would we see them? He

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00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: played with it with an injury T J. Ward. I thought,

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00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: that's what it keeps said. This guy is the man. Yeah,

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00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: so I mean and von Miller. I mean this guy.

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00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: And I talked to DeMarcus Ware after the game and

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00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: he said that it was great. Name drop humble job.

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Speaker 1: I ain't afraid, but I did talk to DeMarcus Ware

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Speaker 1: humble black name name dropper, and he said that first

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00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 1: time I think anyone's ever self called them, and that

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00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: that's good. He's just saving sometime. L uh. He said that,

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, all season when it came time because he

769
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: knows um how special von Miller's and I think he

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00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: was kind of hinting that sometimes Von Miller needs a

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00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a you know, coaxing to get the

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Speaker 1: best out of him. He would come up to him

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00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: on the sideline, let's go, baby, it's time for you

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00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: at the you know Miller time and blah blah blah,

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00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: and he was able to get von Miller pumped up

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00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: in this game. They won the game. Von Miller and

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00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Ware at four and a half sacks, six quarterback

778
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: hits uh A, two forced fumbles both by von Miller,

779
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: tackles for loss and von Miller did was his named

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00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: m VP for the game, but Greg DeMarcus Ware could

781
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: easily gotten the same award. Well, you're seeing it makes

782
00:37:55,640 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: me think, has a pass rush duo ever done more

783
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: to win a championship? It is hard to imagine, you know,

784
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: I can't go through the list in my head right

785
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: now that any duo has ever won a Super Bowl

786
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Speaker 1: almost on their own more than Miller and Where have

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: because they did it the last two games against two

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00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: teams that were favored against them, and they were the

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00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: difference in both of those games. That or have two

790
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: offensive lines in this game done less? Sure, well, they

791
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: combine for fifteen quarterback hits in two games. It's amazing.

792
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: It's two guys who might both be in the Hall

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00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: of Fame one day. I think this this game certainly

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Speaker 1: helps de Marcus where Von Miller is a young guy,

795
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: but he's had about as good a first five years

796
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Speaker 1: as you're gonna have. He's about to get the franchise tag,

797
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: and if they end up working at a long term deal,

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00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: he's going to be the highest paid defensive player in football.

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Speaker 1: It's such a team sport and we always hoist up

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00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: the quarterback as like that they're they're almost the only

801
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: thing that matters. Well, we just saw a team that

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00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: almost had very they had very little quarterback play that

803
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: won the suero. But in the end it was kind

804
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: of two guys that won it for them. It really

805
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: a bigger entire defense which is loaded stars at every level,

806
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: but without but those are the two guys that make

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00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: them special. I mean, I agree the secondary, like maybe

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00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: that's why I said Ginn has alligator alligator arms in

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00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: the red zone of secondaries hit a great game, Derek

810
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: wolf has had a great month and a half, Malik

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Speaker 1: Jackson's been phenomenal, and Derrick Wolfe put Stewart out of

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00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: action early. I mean that changed the complexion of this.

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00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: And Wade Phillips said after the game that you know,

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00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: why did they ask, you know, how did you have

815
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: so much success containing Cam Newton? And they it seemed

816
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: like they had a plan, you know, if they had

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00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: to to mix up blitz Is and get a little

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00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: acute cie to to really contain Newton. But then what

819
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: happened was their front four was doing such an amazing

820
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: job of getting to Newton. It allowed them to play

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Speaker 1: the game through their hands and and it just it

822
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 1: all went through Newton. That was a total total team effort.

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00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: But I think where and Miller their ability to continually

824
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: beat uh the offensive line of the Panthers set the

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00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 1: tone for everything. So now the Panthers are in deep trouble.

826
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Speaker 1: The Broncos have the ball inside the five yard line

827
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Speaker 1: and this again Josh Norman is gonna get upset about this.

828
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: On third down and four men and drops back to pass.

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00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: He sails it out of the back of the end zone.

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00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: Josh Norman gets called for holding and now it's first

831
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Speaker 1: and goal from the two, and then C J. Anderson

832
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,959
Speaker 1: first in goal handoff. C J Anderson leftdog into truth

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00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: INTI Lee checking up for to the goal line. Touchdown Dinner.

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Speaker 1: C J. Anderson with the first offensive touchdown for the

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Speaker 1: podcast in this game. I'd like to thank Marshawn Lynch

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Speaker 1: for making me miss this whole sequence of events, right,

837
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: I forgot about that that around terrible About eight minutes

838
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: left in the game or so, maybe maybe ten, we

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Speaker 1: get the first tweet or the first mention that Marshawn

840
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: Lynch has tweeted about his retirement, causing panic in the

841
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: in the press box. How are we going to handle this?

842
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: Can we confirm this right now while we're trying to

843
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: watch the Super Bowl? Who's gonna write it? West steps

844
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: up to the place. West takes a bullet and also

845
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Speaker 1: coore editor back in Culver City, David, who's a Panthers

846
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: fan and his heart is breaking slowly, has to like

847
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: get on the phone and confirm reports. The poor guy

848
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: and the same Elie that brought a bottle of champagne

849
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: to the office for a postgame celebration. This was in

850
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: no way taking or a selfless move. You guys know

851
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: me pretty well. I'm much rather write about Marshawn Lynch's

852
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: retirement then go down to a locker room and talk

853
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: to NFL players. By the way, everybody everyone has the rules.

854
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: I said this after the game, and I'm not I'm not.

855
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm a Yankee fan, but I'm not an a rod defender. Really.

856
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: You know when he opted out during the fourth game

857
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: of the World Series when the Red Sox one in

858
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, he got killed for it, for taking

859
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: away from the splendor of the game's greatest stage. When

860
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch does the same thing in the fourth quarter

861
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: of a Super Bowl game, it's like, this guy is

862
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: who he is, he does, plays life by his own

863
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: set of rules, little quirky, and you got loving for it.

864
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 1: Classic Marshawn. That's a double standard, bro. I am totally

865
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: on board with the double standard because one of those

866
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: guys is a soul, this fraw, and the other one

867
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: really does own role. Although, if anything, let's check out

868
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: some of the uh, some of Marshawn Lynch is real

869
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: backdoor dealings with major corpse and his inability to talk

870
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: to the press. Yeah, he's a real man. Definitely, good

871
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: night to get deep into Yankees talk. It was a

872
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: cool It was a cool way to retire with hanging

873
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: him up and he sends the tweet out. But I

874
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: would this was a little more calculated. People say, oh,

875
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: Marshall Lynch doesn't doesn't care, like he doesn't care about

876
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: any Well, this is the the the ultimate and caring.

877
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: He decided to put this out there with ten minutes

878
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: left in the Super Bowl. He planned it out. This

879
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: was the big plan. I wanted to do something that

880
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: no one's ever done when they retired. I wanted to

881
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: do it like drop it right in the middle through row.

882
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: Maybe he gets buried, Maybe I want whatever it was,

883
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: that was the plan. It was pretty planned. He was

884
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: trying to take the stage. It was testing his ego

885
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: and what his cultural cachet was. And it just led

886
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: to poor guys like David Eally and poor Chris Wesley

887
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: trying to watch a Super Bowl having to do other work.

888
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: Come on, hey, come back to us, Marshawn. What's gonna

889
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna lead to not as much talk about Marshall

890
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: lynch as retirement, and maybe maybe that is what he wants.

891
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: This we'll get and we'll get into Marshall Lynch's amazing

892
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: career a little more this week. Our next show is Wednesday,

893
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: by the way, But you know, let's get back to

894
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: the game. But you know what's cool that is the

895
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: two point conversion. I yeah, I want to talk about

896
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: the two point conversion because first a trivia question for

897
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: you guys, Peyton Manning and what better have been the

898
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: final pass of his career completed? A two point conversion?

899
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: Uh to who first person to name it gets a

900
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: beer if any bars open after the show. Was it

901
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: called Well, Benny Fowler, and I wasn't watching. I was

902
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: like knee deep. Another thought at that point, what were

903
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: you thinking about? Well, because we were about to go

904
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: down to the lock room. This game was over. Yeah,

905
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: the second the fumble happened, I started writing the game

906
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: story for the site. Well, I was watching it because

907
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: it was Peyton's final moment on a day where he

908
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: couldn't find the end zone if you would have given

909
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: him a map him just one minute here because I

910
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: I I liked your tweet about the switched osswaer because

911
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: maybe if it was a different time in the season

912
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: you do that. But when I went downstairs and talked

913
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: to the Broncos, they talked a lot of them about

914
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: what Manning spoke to them about last night, and that

915
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: the entire operation here was a DeMarcus ware and Peyton

916
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: Manning led effort. And there is no way that you

917
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: bench Peyton Manning. They were gonna go down with him,

918
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 1: and I just I don't think that ever would have

919
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 1: been on the board. And yeah, it was a pretty

920
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: awful game. It was probably the one of the worst

921
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: winning quarter It wasn't the worst winning quarterback at nine

922
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: nine nine Q r but it's Peyton Manning and how

923
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: what kind of can of worms do you open? You

924
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: know what, because I'll tell you what this week. I

925
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: think what happened was I just got closer to see

926
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: how many people on that team absolutely admire that guy

927
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: and what if they knew that. No, but if you

928
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: benched him, I think it would have caused complete insurrection.

929
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean they would fusion. I think coaching is different

930
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: than what we think about up in this in the

931
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: press box. Well, here's one quarterback that had a similar

932
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: game in the Super Bowl, John Elway twelve two hundred

933
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: and twenty three yards, one interception. That is almost exactly

934
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: the numbers as Peyton Manning thirteen of twenty three hundred

935
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: forty one yards, one interception. So it's a it's a

936
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: team sport, and the team carried him on his back.

937
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: That's great. I mean, more power to him. He's been

938
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: on some high powered offenses that blew it in the playoffs.

939
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: Now he did it happened a different way. Well, you

940
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: can you can point out that he was a total

941
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: and complete liability today, one for thirteen on third downs.

942
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: I remember walking over to you at one point in

943
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: the second half and asking if he had completed a

944
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: pass since the opening drive. I mean he went through

945
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: long stretches where the offense just fell apart and like

946
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: you said, one yards, which is fifty less than any

947
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: any winning team in Super Bowl history ever had. That said,

948
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: he also watched Cam Newton and Tom Brady make backbreaking

949
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: mistakes the last two weeks, and he did not do that,

950
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: although he did have two turnovers. I mean, so even

951
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: even this was more of an error pro game it was.

952
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: It's a strange story because of that. I mean, of

953
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: course he's the story. I mean, he's the biggest story

954
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: just because he's one of the greatest players ever. But

955
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 1: it's a strange thing just because he's clearly so so

956
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: much of a shadow of what he once was. And

957
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: that was the game to ten final, the confetti confetti

958
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: falls down at that big bell bottom uh in Santa Clara.

959
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: You know that's not it's not stop trying to make it.

960
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: But I will offer some analysis, um from my wife Emily,

961
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 1: who not only attended her first Super Bowl, it was

962
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: her first NFL game. She intended with her dad Bob

963
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: a text kind of apropos nothing while I was waiting

964
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: for DeMarcus ware My analysis colin a season QB versus

965
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: a rookie Super Bowl QB seasoned Comma mental prepared wins

966
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: your thoughts, guys, Emily hands this, uh, you know sometimes

967
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: when you go over to the hands his household, she's

968
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: got the big screen TV going, she's got the Coaches film.

969
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: She knows what she's talking about. I disagree with your wife,

970
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 1: whoa I was trying to be supported. Not a good

971
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: not a good move. I think your wife is great,

972
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: But no, I don't think that. I don't think that

973
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: it had anything to do with the seasoned quarterback who

974
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: had a horrible game. Well, I mean you're not. You're

975
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: not impressed with his nine point nine q R. No,

976
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: And I think it's okay to admire his perseverance for

977
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: the season he had and that he didn't he didn't really,

978
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. The last time we had Emily hands

979
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: Is on this show. She came on to diagnose the

980
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: concept that Eric Barry was scared of horses, and she

981
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: wasn't pleased with some aspect of that show. And she's

982
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: and she's never been on since. This will not help. Yeah, yeah,

983
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: she used to ride horses as as a youth. Um,

984
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: so yeah that so what does this mean? And now

985
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 1: let's just kind of take a step back before we go. Uh,

986
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's all there's always gonna be a lot

987
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: of talk about Peyton Manning about what this means. Does

988
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,479
Speaker 1: this move him up at all? I mean, I can't

989
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: say it ken because he was, as we're saying, without

990
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 1: piling on a total liability in this game, but it

991
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: certainly helps uh from a macro standpoint that now he's

992
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: got two rings in addition to all these passing records.

993
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,479
Speaker 1: Does it mean anything? Let's win for Peyton Manning's legacy,

994
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: which is so weird because it's Super Bowl. Will spend

995
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 1: the next you know, fifty thanksgivings having as many Super

996
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: Bowls as Eli. Yes, I think as time goes on,

997
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: the details of how this all happened will fade away.

998
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: For instance, no one in this no one in this room,

999
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: including me, remembered that John Elway in that Super Bowl

1000
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: and was essentially Ben Roethlisberger in his rookie year or when.

1001
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: But I didn't, I didn't say anything. I just wanted

1002
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: to keep the show moving. But I remembered every pass

1003
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: of that game. Now I realized it's just a bit

1004
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: John always he was not failing him to the extent

1005
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: that Peyton Mannings. He wasn't coming off a bad season.

1006
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: He was coming off a good season, had a bad game,

1007
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: so it was different. I think it absolutely changes the

1008
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: way people think about him because people think of him

1009
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: for playoff failure and he's gonna retire with three straight

1010
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: playoff wins, whether you know whether I always think when

1011
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: gonna retire with a Wayne record in the postseason now

1012
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: to fourteen and thirteen, right, and I think we put

1013
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: too much on quarterback wins and losses, and that's been

1014
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: to the detriment of Peyton Manning's career that he's been

1015
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: better than his playoff record really indicates throughout his career.

1016
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: Now it's kind of even and out how much he'll

1017
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: always be remembered if he does walk away as just

1018
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 1: like l Way, the guy that kind of completed that

1019
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: cycle and did exactly what Elway brought him into do.

1020
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 1: So I think it does matter quite a bit. And

1021
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: on the other side of Cam Newton, we should touch

1022
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: on this before we go because it will be the

1023
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: dominant kind of side topic of the game when you're

1024
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: not talking about the Broncos on Peyton Manning is his

1025
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: behavior after the game at at his press conference, and

1026
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 1: Connor or wrote a really nice piece on the Around

1027
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,799
Speaker 1: the NFL page about it. He had his hood up,

1028
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: He answered a lot of questions with one word answers

1029
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: left after two and a half minutes, and Connor made

1030
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: a really good observation that appeared that Mike Shula and

1031
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: their QB coach, we're trying to get his attention, to

1032
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: get him to pull his his his hood hood back

1033
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: and be a little more I guess I would assume

1034
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: just a little more professional about it, because they knew

1035
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: what was gonna happen if he didn't handle it well,

1036
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: and he didn't, and now he's gonna pay the price

1037
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: for it. Everybody on the NFL network was piling on

1038
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: after the game, and that's not gonna be it. We're

1039
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: gonna pay the price for it too, because I feel

1040
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: a lot of sort of posts and reaction coming to that.

1041
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: A lot of that's gonna go on West's plate. Oh,

1042
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: it's such a tedious topic. I mean, yeah, he has

1043
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: moments of immaturity. Yes, he likes to call attention to himself.

1044
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: He doesn't handle things well all the time. Doesn't make

1045
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: him a bad human being. I just hate that we're

1046
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna spend all week just trashing him for something I

1047
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: don't have to do. We don't have to He did

1048
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: a bad job, but it doesn't I don't think it

1049
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: it means anything bigger than that. Why is Gronk out

1050
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: dancing after a Super Bowl loss? I mean nobody cares.

1051
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, that's no big deal. This team had their heartbroken.

1052
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: I really think that the Panthers felt like they were

1053
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: going to write a story that could have begained something

1054
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, long and storied, and now you're starting I

1055
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: did a spot with damage is not a humble brag.

1056
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: This damage I account. Yes, that is even on Friday

1057
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,919
Speaker 1: where we had a serious conversation, football heavy conversation about

1058
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: what happens if the Panthers spanked the Broncos and they

1059
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: go eighteen or nineteen one whatever, and uh where do

1060
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: they rank all time? So for to go from having

1061
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,760
Speaker 1: that conversation at Friday at five pm to Cam Newton

1062
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: giving one word answers and then kind of walking off

1063
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: as presser after an ugly loss, I mean it's a

1064
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: It's amazing how quickly things changed. By the way, Danna

1065
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Speaker 1: Check came in the press box and like it up

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Speaker 1: for eight minutes. Fantastic. He's got a great gig. It

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Speaker 1: took Mike Tolber to town. Well we were, I think, though,

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Speaker 1: west when it comes to the Cam stuff that I've

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Speaker 1: saw a couple of tweets from some of the writers

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Speaker 1: that cover the team in our overall, I think pretty

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Speaker 1: sympathetic to Cam Newton and and believe he's a good leader.

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Speaker 1: And you know, they said one of them was a

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Speaker 1: quote they had from someone I believe in the organization

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Speaker 1: previously to this, that that Cam is one of the

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Speaker 1: best winner. He's the best winner in the world, and

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Speaker 1: he's he's not a great loser. That happens to a

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Speaker 1: lot of competitive people competitive and Marshall Marshall Falk made

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Speaker 1: a good point after the game that if you haven't

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Speaker 1: been on that side of things talking to the other,

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00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, great players on the show, that you don't

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Speaker 1: know what it's like, and that he remembers he handled

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00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: the loss to the Patriots really I remember that too,

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00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: that he handled it really poorly and he knew it,

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00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: and he said he learned from it, and that he

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00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: really regretted it pretty soon thereafter. He was basically saying

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Speaker 1: that he thought Cam Newton that that would happen to him,

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00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Jones, who covers the team closely, he said,

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00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: class matters to this organization and it was just a

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00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: tough moment and Cam didn't handle himself well in that moment.

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Speaker 1: It's not the biggest deal in the world, but you

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00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: can still say that Kim might end up regretting that someday.

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Speaker 1: He should regret it, because I don't want to let

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Speaker 1: him totally off the hook. Because listen, you say he's

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Speaker 1: a super competitive guy. Knowe to me is really more

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Speaker 1: competitive or or much more competitive than Tom Brady. And

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to look at like a guy

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Speaker 1: like Brady who handles winning and losing so well, and

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Speaker 1: I really do think that matters also thirty nine years old. No,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm just saying that's kind of

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Speaker 1: I think a model that a guy like Cam should

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Speaker 1: look toward instead of just chalking up to being a

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Speaker 1: competitor that you could mope after a game. It is

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Speaker 1: when you're the quarterback, you're the face of the franchise,

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Speaker 1: and there is responsibility that comes with that. He's got

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00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: to learn that. Well, Cam will have a chance to

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Speaker 1: learn from it the way that Marshall Falk did and

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Speaker 1: he'll be back in this game. Well what happened today? Also,

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Speaker 1: were mean Tom Marino didn't get back. Really we were

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Speaker 1: talking about this is the year of Cam and now

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can really you say it was. No,

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Speaker 1: it's a terrible ending for Well, but he's got a

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Speaker 1: lot of years left. I mean, he won the m

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Speaker 1: v P. If you damn you're capping it off with

1114
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Speaker 1: a super Bowl win and talking about your damna check discussions,

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Speaker 1: is where do they rank in the Maybe that fact

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00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: to the awareness of the way he acted, because he

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00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 1: was able to maybe put that in perspective that he

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Speaker 1: knows everything he did kind of was tainted the way

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Speaker 1: that game went. Yeah, well that that's the thing, and

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Speaker 1: I will be okay. I's gonna be okay. I feel

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Speaker 1: like I say this every year at the end of

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl or whatever. But yeah, he might be back.

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Speaker 1: But you don't know if you're gonna get back with

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Speaker 1: a team that was rolling up thirty point leads in

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Speaker 1: the first half against two of the best teams in

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Speaker 1: the league and in your m v P season and

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Speaker 1: eighteen one. I mean, you don't you just don't know that. Um.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there you go. There's our Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: fifty recap. Shout out to Wade Phillips. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I mean forty years in the league. Is dad was

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Speaker 1: in the league? How many years? Thirty years? Fum Phillips.

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Speaker 1: You know, Wade Phillips finally gets a title. Treats the

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Speaker 1: best too the NFL like a rag doll. I was

1134
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Speaker 1: up the most blitz is against Cam Newton of any

1135
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Speaker 1: coach in the morning three through it's like three thirty

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Speaker 1: three right now. He really did he. I talked to

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Speaker 1: him after game. He said, I said, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: beating Brady and Newton back to back to when of Supermo.

1139
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: Don't forget about Roethlisberger. So he's proud of it. I

1140
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Speaker 1: mean that that's son of UM. And they asked, you

1141
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: know what, what would your dad say? It was like

1142
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 1: he would be happy that we we put it on him.

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Speaker 1: I think was this quote something you want to know

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Speaker 1: more about? Wave Phillips and bum Phillips read com slash

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Speaker 1: love You Blue, Going in like going out. I want

1146
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Speaker 1: to get the line right, he would be glad we

1147
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: kicked the door in was the line. So that's it

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Speaker 1: and by the way, thank you and we'll get into

1149
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Speaker 1: it more on Wednesday show. Greg is going on a sabbatical,

1150
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Speaker 1: uh this week, but we will continue to grind, keep pounding.

1151
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Speaker 1: Stefan Curry banging in front of the NFL Network building

1152
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Speaker 1: for the A T N guys. Three more shows this week.

1153
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Speaker 1: But uh, wait where was I Wednesday? Thursday? But we'll

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Speaker 1: get into it. But the meet up at the Golden

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Speaker 1: Gates tap room was a huge success. You estimate I

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Speaker 1: don't know, fifty West. You said that you thought it

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Speaker 1: was more than that. I said I thought they were

1158
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Speaker 1: about I had an absolute blast. It was a great time.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to everyone that came out. It was cool.

1160
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: Everybody was cool, even the Patriots fans and uh so,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. That was fun.

1162
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Speaker 1: So maybe get into that a little bit on Wednesday,

1163
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out. But that is

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Speaker 1: it for now. Sydney, thank you for hanging there. Unless

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Speaker 1: you're passed out, maybe a heat stroke scenario, and there's

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Speaker 1: no one to save you and by the time we

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Speaker 1: get there would be too late. Are you alive. I'm alive,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, thank god. One on the West coast for

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Speaker 1: fifteen on the East coast. It means Kevin Patrick is

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Speaker 1: about to wake up and do a shift. Kevin Patrick's

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Speaker 1: a warrior. Uh. That's it for the Around the NFL

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Speaker 1: podcast and the two thousand and fifteen season. We moved

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Speaker 1: into the off season. Uh, here we go. Until then,

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Speaker 1: this is Dan ends Us signing up for Quiet Start,

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Speaker 1: The Mailman, the Boss and La Side behind the Glass. Well,

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Speaker 1: last time, don't wor sake. H