WEBVTT - Historical Records: Bill Russell (feat. Jalen Rose)

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<v Speaker 1>Good people, good people.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Questlove and in honor of Black History Month,

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<v Speaker 1>when Fridays, we'll be releasing episodes of Historical Records, my

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with the story Pirates. It's an explosive fusion of

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop and history, tailor made for music loving kids

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<v Speaker 1>and families. Yes, something for the entire family that you

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<v Speaker 1>can listen to and enjoy it together all right now.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, Lemonie finds out what it takes to

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<v Speaker 1>win eleven NBA championships and to play a meaningful role

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<v Speaker 1>in the civil rights movement. You'll hear a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop track about Bill Russell, the legendary player coach

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<v Speaker 1>of the Boston Celtics, and a great interview between former

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<v Speaker 1>NBA star Jalen Rose and a fourteen year old basketball

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<v Speaker 1>fan from Detroit named Messiah. So get your kids, sit

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<v Speaker 1>back and enjoy Historical Records, the show that proves that

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<v Speaker 1>in order to make history, you have to make some noise.

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<v Speaker 3>We're sorry, the number you have died out has been disconnected,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's all your.

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<v Speaker 2>Fault, my fault. How is it my fault?

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<v Speaker 4>It's certainly not my fault, so it must be yours.

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<v Speaker 4>That concludes this pre recorded message.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing in this lab ever works for me.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's not like I can call anybody to fix

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<v Speaker 5>anything when the phones are always broken and exploding.

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<v Speaker 2>The phones are always exploding. You know what, I've had

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<v Speaker 2>it with this.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm the one that has to live in a secret

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<v Speaker 5>underground bunker slash laboratory with harsh lighting, leaky pipes, and

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<v Speaker 5>that phantom train sound. There are no train tracks four

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<v Speaker 5>miles where is that coming from?

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<v Speaker 2>That's it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm taking it upon myself to fix every single thing

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<v Speaker 5>wrong with this place.

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<v Speaker 2>This whole lab is getting nemified.

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<v Speaker 5>Or niminy, fine, maybe maybe nimificient. You know what, Naming

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<v Speaker 5>things isn't my strong suit.

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<v Speaker 2>This whole place is getting the neckover.

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<v Speaker 6>It's historical records.

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<v Speaker 2>You are now listening to historical.

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<v Speaker 5>To make history, you got to have struggles to make history.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to show poise. Cannot be quiet loud, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the riot to make history. You gotta make some noise.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome back to Historical Records, the show where I dig

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<v Speaker 5>into the historical records in order to produce historically themed records,

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<v Speaker 5>which are like digital music files, except you can accidentally

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<v Speaker 5>spill your drink on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode is.

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<v Speaker 5>All about legendary basketball icon Bill Russell. But before we

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<v Speaker 5>get to mister Russell and his eleven championship rings, I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just putting the finishing touches on my own personal modifications

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<v Speaker 5>to the laboratory phone lines. All it took was sixty

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<v Speaker 5>four empty soup cans, thirty two discarded piano wires, and

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<v Speaker 5>sixteen milliliters of excess elbow grease. I should really see

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<v Speaker 5>an elbow doctor. But before that, let's try making a call.

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<v Speaker 4>Hello, this is Lee, resident historian Lee.

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<v Speaker 5>It's Niminy from work. Looks like the phones are finally working.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, so this is a phone. I was wondering why

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<v Speaker 4>the empty soup can in my room was ringing and

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<v Speaker 4>why a my soup disappeared. What's up? I didn't think

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the Bill Russell episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you're not. You're just in this part.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay. I'm always happy to get some nice meaty

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<v Speaker 4>limes or should I say soup bee lime.

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<v Speaker 2>That's enough for now. Next week.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah, With all my modifications, this place is really starting

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<v Speaker 5>to feel like a bunker of my very own.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got the soupcan phones.

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<v Speaker 5>The neminy neon ambient Lenny, and I've even got custom.

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<v Speaker 2>Stickers with my name on it, sticker Slab.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't even mind the fact that all these stickers

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<v Speaker 5>say historical records with memony instead of niminy. The important

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<v Speaker 5>thing is that the laboratory isn't falling apart anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Laboratory helf destruct sequence start the vide.

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<v Speaker 2>Self destruct start a fine no.

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<v Speaker 5>Time to hit the emergency override shutdown hammer smash.

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<v Speaker 3>Laboratories helf destruct sequence.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop robot voice. What was that?

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<v Speaker 6>Na a new word?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm crying out miminy, It's nemony with an not.

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<v Speaker 3>According to these unauthorized stickers, your modifications to the laboratory

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<v Speaker 3>have resulted in eleven code violations.

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<v Speaker 2>Since when do you care so much about code violations?

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<v Speaker 3>The year was nineteen ninety two, acid wash genes and

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<v Speaker 3>grunge music.

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<v Speaker 5>Where all the rage I'm meant in the context of

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<v Speaker 5>what's happening now understood.

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<v Speaker 3>Every secret laboratory is highly regulated by the Secret Laboratory

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<v Speaker 3>Owners Association or SLOW for short. Their strict codes must

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<v Speaker 3>be followed as the quarterly inspection will soon be conducted.

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<v Speaker 3>Point of clarification, the quarterly inspection is different than the

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<v Speaker 3>quarter inspection, where they make sure that US quarters in

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<v Speaker 3>every laboratory are organized by stage.

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<v Speaker 2>My quarters are organized by year.

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<v Speaker 3>Additional code violation, I advise you to correct all violations

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<v Speaker 3>before the inspection.

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<v Speaker 2>My improvements code violations.

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<v Speaker 5>Improvements benefit all of us. Besides, this whole place was

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<v Speaker 5>falling apart and I was the only one willing to

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<v Speaker 5>do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 2>SLOA would have just let the place break down.

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<v Speaker 3>I am not permitted to agree, as Sloa's codes are

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<v Speaker 3>embedded in my programming.

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<v Speaker 5>And if SLOA finds out what's the worst that could happen.

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<v Speaker 3>They will overtake our sound system and play NonStop talk radio.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not so bad, I kind of like talking.

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<v Speaker 3>The entire combination bunker slash laboratory will self destruct.

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<v Speaker 2>That's terrible.

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<v Speaker 3>Agreed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I hear you loud and clear.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll start in the library. Why don't you work on

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<v Speaker 5>removing the stickers.

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<v Speaker 3>Affirmative blowing, sticker feeling fingernails.

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<v Speaker 2>Ew.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't even know how to describe what I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 5>right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought you wanted my help.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotta go, Gabe, open up the library.

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<v Speaker 7>It's me, Hey, niminy, it's Gabe Resident historian.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird Lise said that earlier too.

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<v Speaker 6>Really who said it better?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care? I know who both of you are.

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<v Speaker 6>Let me in, sure, come on in. Hey did the

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<v Speaker 6>power go out for you a little while ago?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it wasn't my fault. Look, we've got a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Can robot voice hear anything we say in here?

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<v Speaker 6>No? Nobody can hear anything.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been calling out for a glass of orange juice

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<v Speaker 7>for hours and you're holding a glass of apple juice.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I'll still drink it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oop.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry that was just for me.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm thirsty, not me.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had apple juice. We have to get out

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<v Speaker 2>of here.

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<v Speaker 5>Robot wants me to undo all the improvements I've made

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<v Speaker 5>to the lab just because the Secret Laboratory Owners Association

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't like the way I organize my corners.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't organize them by state.

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<v Speaker 2>I organize them by year.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's not even worth a fight. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 7>I think the way you organize your quarters is insane.

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<v Speaker 7>But I also think it's important for you to fight

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<v Speaker 7>for what you believe in. You know there's someone whose

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<v Speaker 7>story might be able to help.

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<v Speaker 6>I bet making a track about him will help you

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<v Speaker 6>see things more clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 5>Let's get in the history simulator, which, uh where is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you move it or something?

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<v Speaker 7>I made it a little bit more portable this time around. Here,

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<v Speaker 7>put on this poncho.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, hey, this is pretty comfortable as far as history

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<v Speaker 5>simulators go.

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<v Speaker 2>You've really outdone yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh that's not it.

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<v Speaker 7>The new History simulator is a large cooler of electrolyte

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<v Speaker 7>infused sports drink Kraco Raid. It works by pouring it

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<v Speaker 7>all over ourselves. The poncho should help keep you mostly dry.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it too late to get Lee to help me instead?

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<v Speaker 6>It's way too late. Sports drinks simulate history, Kroco Go.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, folks, things are heating up here in this nineteen

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<v Speaker 7>sixty nine NBA Championship Series.

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<v Speaker 6>But what else would you expect from.

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<v Speaker 7>Game seven of this heated matchup between the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 7>Lakers and the Boston Celtics. I'm calling it now.

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<v Speaker 6>This will be a game that goes down in history.

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<v Speaker 5>Gabe, what are you doing announcing the game? You might

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<v Speaker 5>mess up the time stream or something.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a history simulator, not a time machine.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's have some fun here. Get on the mic, Uh.

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<v Speaker 8>That one guy on the yellow team has the ball,

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<v Speaker 8>Wilt Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah him, and now he's dropping towards the roop.

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<v Speaker 2>He's pulling up to shoot and bow.

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<v Speaker 9>He just got to not by u bye, by the

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<v Speaker 9>heart of that stout Boston defense and the man that

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<v Speaker 9>we both came here to watch, Bill Russell. O.

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<v Speaker 2>Big ups to Bill Russels.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, his coach is gonna love that hustle fun bit

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<v Speaker 7>of trivia.

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<v Speaker 5>He is the coach who is Bill Russell, the same

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<v Speaker 5>one who's playing.

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<v Speaker 6>That's right partner.

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<v Speaker 7>He's a player and the head coach, the first black

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<v Speaker 7>head coach of a major American sports league.

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<v Speaker 5>Oooh, A never strong block from the head coach, Bill Russell.

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<v Speaker 2>How can you not like that imposing style of defense?

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<v Speaker 6>Not everyone always saw it that way.

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<v Speaker 7>Back when he was still playing college ball at the

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<v Speaker 7>University of San Francisco, his coach has tried to change

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<v Speaker 7>the way he played. Defenders were supposed to stay planted

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<v Speaker 7>and never leave their feet, but he had amazing quickness

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<v Speaker 7>for leaping ability, especially for a center.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's safe to say he ignored that advice.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, he knew it worked for him, so he kept

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<v Speaker 7>watching other players footwork, adjusted and improved his own defense

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<v Speaker 7>to create something entirely new, kind of like my history

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<v Speaker 7>simulator system.

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<v Speaker 2>That could still use a little more improvement.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't see how ponchos and gallons of croco raid

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<v Speaker 7>have gotten us this far.

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Russell's belief in his own game really changed everyone's game.

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<v Speaker 4>Hump.

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<v Speaker 7>He was so dominant the NCAA even changed the rules today.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're that good, who's gonna stop you?

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<v Speaker 6>Certainly not these Lakers.

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<v Speaker 7>Bill Russell's about to take down his greatest rival, Wilt Chamberlain,

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<v Speaker 7>to win his eleven championship. I know that's not what

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<v Speaker 7>this LA crop wants to hear, but where will the future?

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<v Speaker 6>So deal with it. The eighties will be much better

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<v Speaker 6>Laker Nation.

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<v Speaker 7>Bill Russell's life was about to be much more than

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<v Speaker 7>just basketball, though.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's take a look, niminy. Hold your breath?

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<v Speaker 4>Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Why would I need to hold my breath? Broaco, go blah.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to win me before doing that.

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<v Speaker 6>I told you to hold your breath.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh come on, let's see if this coffee shop has

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<v Speaker 5>any fresh towels. My poncho can only keep me so dry.

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<v Speaker 7>Nah, Niminy, we might not want to go in inside this

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<v Speaker 7>coffee shop. It's not exactly the most welcoming place.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. Then why did we come here? Hey? Is it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 10>That's Bill, ma'am, my teammates and I just want to

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<v Speaker 10>order a cup of coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you'd best look somewhere else because we don't serve

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<v Speaker 3>negroes here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Gay, what year is it?

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<v Speaker 6>It's nineteen sixty one.

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<v Speaker 7>This is Lexington, Kentucky, where the Celtics were scheduled to

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<v Speaker 7>play an exhibition game against the Hawks.

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<v Speaker 5>In a town that treats people like that. There's no

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<v Speaker 5>way he plays right. Don't do it, Bill, They don't

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<v Speaker 5>deserve you.

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<v Speaker 6>He can't hear you. We're not announcers anymore. This time.

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<v Speaker 7>We're ghosts. Were what ghosts? They're floating and see through?

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<v Speaker 7>Have you really never heard of ghosts before? That's not

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<v Speaker 7>what I want. Come on, ghost Nimini, let's catch up

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<v Speaker 7>with Bill. He's already headed over to talk to coach Auerbach.

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<v Speaker 10>Coach, there's no way we're playing this game. We're getting

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<v Speaker 10>on the plane and going home, all of us. Bill.

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<v Speaker 6>I understand what you're saying. The way these folks are

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<v Speaker 6>treating you isn't right.

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<v Speaker 8>But don't you think we can spread your message better

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<v Speaker 8>by playing the game respectfully.

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<v Speaker 10>We won a championship my rookie year. Then that same

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<v Speaker 10>year I went to the fifty six Olympics and won

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<v Speaker 10>a gold medal for this country. But that didn't change anything.

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<v Speaker 10>They've been looking at me the same way in my

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<v Speaker 10>whole life. These people know that I'm a basketball player,

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<v Speaker 10>but they still refuse to see me, to see us

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<v Speaker 10>as human beings. No exhibition game will change that. If

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<v Speaker 10>they're not gonna acknowledge our humanity, we need to speak out.

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<v Speaker 10>We need to change the world.

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<v Speaker 2>You go, Bill, you boycott that gay coach.

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<v Speaker 10>Did you hear a ghost just now?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 6>But I see two ghosts right over there. They're wearing ponchos,

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<v Speaker 6>and one of them's pumping its fists. I think they

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<v Speaker 6>like what you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>We should probably stand behind a plant or something.

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<v Speaker 7>I worked hard picking out this poncho. I'm not hiding

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<v Speaker 7>behind a plant anyway. Coach Houurback knew that Russell was

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<v Speaker 7>a true leader of men, and that's why he threw

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<v Speaker 7>his support behind the boycott and why he appointed Russell

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<v Speaker 7>as his successor when he eventually moved on from being

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<v Speaker 7>head coach himself.

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<v Speaker 5>So Bill kept speaking up no matter where he went,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it was on the court or in the public eye.

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<v Speaker 6>Speaking of eyes, would you mind closing yours?

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<v Speaker 2>What four croco go? Huh? Hey, we're in a movie theater.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the history highlights theater. Take a seat drinking crocker. Ay,

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<v Speaker 7>let's us see a mini highlight reel of any athlete's

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<v Speaker 7>life while we wait to move forward in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, that's Martin Luther King. And whoa? Bill Russell marched

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor King.

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<v Speaker 7>He sure did back in nineteen sixty three as part

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<v Speaker 7>of the March on Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>And this is nineteen sixty.

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<v Speaker 7>Seven where he was meeting with Muhammad Ali to support

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<v Speaker 7>his decision to not fight in the Vietnam War.

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like a lot of black ass athletes showed

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<v Speaker 5>up to support him.

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<v Speaker 7>Speaking out against the war wasn't necessarily the popular thing

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<v Speaker 7>to do at the time, but they still threw their

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<v Speaker 7>support behind him.

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<v Speaker 6>Because they felt it was the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>He was everywhere, wasn't he? How far ahead are we going?

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<v Speaker 6>Just another few decades? We should stand up. It's almost

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<v Speaker 6>time to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, which way should we go? I don't see

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<v Speaker 2>any exits.

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<v Speaker 6>There's only one way out of the history highlights theater.

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<v Speaker 6>Cover your ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my ears? Okay, what the heck? Why would you

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<v Speaker 2>throw crocle rate into my ears?

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<v Speaker 6>Niminy, calm down. Look over there, Gabe.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that that's President Obama.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe I'm wearing a poncho in front of

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<v Speaker 5>President Obama.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no need to be embarrassed by the poncho. It's

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<v Speaker 7>shaped like a triangle. The second most style is shape

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<v Speaker 7>right after the rhombus, which is just two triangles. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 7>it's the year twenty eleven and Obama's honoring Bill Russell

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<v Speaker 7>for all of his work, not just as a basketball player,

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<v Speaker 7>but as a fighter for human rights.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe how much of an impact he had

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<v Speaker 5>on history. To go from being just a kid playing

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<v Speaker 5>basketball to receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

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<v Speaker 2>It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 7>And to think if he had changed the way he'd

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<v Speaker 7>played defense all those years ago, just because someone thought

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<v Speaker 7>it was the only way to play, he might never

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<v Speaker 7>have made it here.

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<v Speaker 5>I bet it wasn't easy for him to stand up

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<v Speaker 5>for himself back then, and I bet it didn't get

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<v Speaker 5>any easier standing up for the rights of others every

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<v Speaker 5>time after that. But he did it because he knew

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<v Speaker 5>it was the right thing to do, no matter how

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<v Speaker 5>big the stage got.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree one hundred percent, Niminy, Just like it wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>easy for me to stand up to Lee when she

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<v Speaker 7>told me that wearing ponchos and pouring hundreds of gallons

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<v Speaker 7>of custom made sports drink all over myself would be

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<v Speaker 7>a terrible and needlessly expensive way to experience history.

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<v Speaker 6>But you loved it right.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, if I could redo one thing, it'd probably be there.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no time for your notes, Niminy. Let's get to

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<v Speaker 7>the recording studio.

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<v Speaker 6>Croco go.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah.

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<v Speaker 7>Here we are in the studio, and everybody's happy with

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<v Speaker 7>every part of the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Gabe, get rid of the krocle Rade.

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<v Speaker 6>You didn't like the flavor, Gabe, you didn't like the ponchos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going straight to Lee next time.

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<v Speaker 6>My own personal Wilt Chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, listeners, now that we're in the studio, it's time

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<v Speaker 5>for everyone's favorite part of the episode.

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<v Speaker 6>We're doing my part again, the song Oh right, right, right, right, right,

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<v Speaker 6>right right.

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<v Speaker 2>Get ready to ball out to the beat.

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<v Speaker 5>Everyone, Bill Russell may have countless records already, but this

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<v Speaker 5>here is the newest one.

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<v Speaker 11>What do you see as the meaning of the term revolutionary?

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<v Speaker 12>Revolutionary is a man or a woman things, but basically,

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<v Speaker 12>the revolutionary wants to change the nature of society in

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<v Speaker 12>a way to promote a world where the knees and

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<v Speaker 12>interests of the people are responded to.

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<v Speaker 11>Before Lebron was a king, before Jordan won rings, before

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<v Speaker 11>shacking I came and magic in Kareem one man on

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<v Speaker 11>one team rank completely supreme? Am I blowing too much

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<v Speaker 11>steam to say that man was me? Bill Russell is

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<v Speaker 11>the name?

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<v Speaker 4>And how do you do?

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<v Speaker 11>Thirteen years in the game and still I only lost

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<v Speaker 11>two times in the finals? That's eleven titles. No man

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<v Speaker 11>in this sport has come close to being my rival.

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<v Speaker 11>I was the subject of libel and prejudice, taunts, black

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<v Speaker 11>and in Boston not two things that you want to

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<v Speaker 11>be OUI coop me, yes, sir? How did I thrive

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<v Speaker 11>under oh so much pressure? How did I triumph on

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<v Speaker 11>every measure while also unite all my people together? And

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<v Speaker 11>just how did my leadership lead to our glory? To

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<v Speaker 11>sit down and listen, y'all, because this here's my story.

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<v Speaker 13>Defense the hoop and hej fanza bite. He's a champion

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<v Speaker 13>on the court, and a champion.

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<v Speaker 2>After five he.

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<v Speaker 13>And re bounds four up in fresh City. He goes

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<v Speaker 13>down the court, and he goes down in history.

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<v Speaker 11>My youth, you could say it was a little bit rough.

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<v Speaker 11>Mama died at twelve, and dad even gruff, grew up

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<v Speaker 11>dirt board and there was never enough. My only hope

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<v Speaker 11>was the hoop and get tough. So hoof that I

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<v Speaker 11>did so. University of San Francisco old centers went slow,

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<v Speaker 11>but me, I was nimble.

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<v Speaker 10>They changed the.

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<v Speaker 11>Rules to put me through some pitfalls. I juked the

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<v Speaker 11>gears and still bought through the insults. I press continued,

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<v Speaker 11>was drafted and went to the fifty six Olympics, got

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<v Speaker 11>gold in that window post Uni COOKI oh that one

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<v Speaker 11>NBA rookie and guess what we still won? Then I

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<v Speaker 11>won eight more Celtics made me the coach while also

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<v Speaker 11>still playing. That's right, I did both five mbps odds

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<v Speaker 11>an app salute baller lost a few times to Will

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<v Speaker 11>put He's three inches taller.

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<v Speaker 13>He defends go home, and he defends a bright He's

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<v Speaker 13>a champion on the court. They're a champion of the five.

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<v Speaker 13>He bounds Alco and rebounds for the fresh city. He

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<v Speaker 13>goes down the court, and he goes down in history.

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<v Speaker 11>I am Bill Russell, most athletic on the court, but

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<v Speaker 11>I still hustle and I will tussle with any man

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<v Speaker 11>who stands in the way of progress. And that's in

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<v Speaker 11>the lane in the streets. In the Congress sixty one,

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<v Speaker 11>an exhibition game of Celtics versus the Hawks of Lexington, Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 11>If we expected curses when we went to a cafe

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<v Speaker 11>to try to get some service, instead they acted nervous

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<v Speaker 11>and refused the surface.

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<v Speaker 2>A curve, yes, for sure.

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<v Speaker 11>But still we had a purpose showing what these boys got.

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<v Speaker 11>So we let a boycott, put their feet to the furnace,

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<v Speaker 11>We made noises true to the surface. We hit them

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<v Speaker 11>with our voices. A march with a million men in

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<v Speaker 11>MLK met with my hamad Ali just to mold a

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<v Speaker 11>better day. If he's right in your rights, well then

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<v Speaker 11>you must get unciviled, and never ever ever just shut up.

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<v Speaker 13>In triple defensa hoop, and he defends are right. He's

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<v Speaker 13>a champion on the court, and a champion after five.

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<v Speaker 13>He bounds the rock and rebounds romp in First City.

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<v Speaker 13>He goes down the court, and he goes down in history.

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<v Speaker 13>He defense the hoop, and he defense are right. He's

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<v Speaker 13>a champion on the court and a.

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<v Speaker 2>Champion of the five.

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<v Speaker 13>He rebounds the rock and rebounds roup at First City,

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<v Speaker 13>he goes down the court, and he goes down in history.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after a few words for the

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<v Speaker 2>grown ups. Who Gabe, I'm still feeling that song.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm feeling inspired me too.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I finally got the courage to tell Robot

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<v Speaker 5>Voice that I'm keeping all my laboratory modifications, even if

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<v Speaker 5>it means we have to listen to NonStop talk radio.

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<v Speaker 2>No talk radio. It's too horrible.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, Gabe, I know I'll do everything in my

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<v Speaker 5>power to stop that from happening.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm back, Robot Voice. I've been doing some thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>Another Loola, just hold on a minute, Slower doesn't have

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<v Speaker 5>our best interests in mind. They set out rules for

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<v Speaker 5>countless grid labs and bunkers that have completely different owners

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<v Speaker 5>and residents. There's no way for them to know what

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<v Speaker 5>we need in here. So even if I'm not supposed to,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still going to make improvements to this place, because

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<v Speaker 5>they'll make all of our lives better.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm convincing, argument, Miminy. However, the slower protocol in my

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<v Speaker 3>programming prevents me from being convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about that too.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me install something I called the Fasta override, the

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<v Speaker 5>Feticini Alfredo shortcut transfer of.

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<v Speaker 2>Authority Spaghetti science.

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<v Speaker 5>Was this upgrade, you'll be able to circumvent any slower

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<v Speaker 5>restrictions my fires.

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<v Speaker 3>You are my Wiresini, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 10>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't ask you to do the Italian accent. You

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<v Speaker 2>did not, so we can keep the changes.

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<v Speaker 3>We may keep the changes, Mimy, although you must reorganize

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<v Speaker 3>your quarters my state.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about the quarters that don't have states?

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<v Speaker 3>You may take those through the arcade and win me

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<v Speaker 3>a tiny basketball who that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually a pretty good idea. I will do that.

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<v Speaker 5>But first, let's wrap up this episode with an interview

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<v Speaker 5>between an incredible kid named Messiah, an NBA legend, Jalen Rose.

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<v Speaker 3>Good idea, go.

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<v Speaker 2>Kroco go, No, no, no, wait, not again.

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<v Speaker 5>Today we're talking with former professional basketball player and co

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<v Speaker 5>founder of the Jalen Rose Leadership Academy, Jalen Rose. He'll

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<v Speaker 5>be talking with Messiah, a fourteen year old who attends

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<v Speaker 5>his academy in Detroit, Michigan. One note. Since recording this interview,

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Russell passed away at age eighty eight, leaving a

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<v Speaker 5>legacy of his legendary play on the court and his

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<v Speaker 5>powerful voice for justice off the court.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, mister Rose, how you doing.

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<v Speaker 14>Thank you Messiah for taking the time to not only

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<v Speaker 14>interview me, but to learn about one of the greatest

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<v Speaker 14>four founders, not only in the history of sports, but

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<v Speaker 14>of American history.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey Messiah, do you want to ask Jalen a question

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<v Speaker 5>about Bill Russell?

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<v Speaker 8>How do you think Bill Russell's legacy left the mark

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<v Speaker 8>on the world.

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<v Speaker 14>I'll talk sports initially, so many times when you talk

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<v Speaker 14>about who's the best, people don't actually digest, think about

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<v Speaker 14>what they've seen, take all of the information in and

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<v Speaker 14>give an educated hypothesis. What people now do is ring count.

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<v Speaker 14>So when you say Tom Brady's the goat, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 14>say it because he got seven rings. Michael George the

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<v Speaker 14>goat because he has six rings. But here's the unique

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<v Speaker 14>thing about Bill Russell. He has more rings than any

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<v Speaker 14>athlete ever eleven as a player and also as the

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<v Speaker 14>first black coach in the NBA as well, and so

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<v Speaker 14>I don't see an athlete surpassing what he accomplished. As

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<v Speaker 14>it relates to rings, analytics have now in a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of ways become the calling card for athletics, which now

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<v Speaker 14>we just only look at your championship rings and not

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<v Speaker 14>judge you as a human.

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<v Speaker 8>Being outside of basketball. He also was a civil rights activist,

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<v Speaker 8>like he was a leader.

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<v Speaker 14>When you start to speak about activism, that means you

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<v Speaker 14>have an opinion, and it gives people a chance to say, well,

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<v Speaker 14>I just like the way you play basketball. I really

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<v Speaker 14>don't want to hear your opinion. That's really what I'm

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<v Speaker 14>saying when I tell you to shut up and dribble.

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<v Speaker 14>And so Bill Russell was the first person to acknowledge

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<v Speaker 14>that I'm going to be the greatest champion and the

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<v Speaker 14>greatest spokesman. And that wasn't encouraged. That wasn't the route

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<v Speaker 14>that he took for stardom, and I'm grateful.

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<v Speaker 2>For that, Masiah.

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<v Speaker 5>What are you curious to learn about Jalen's experience as

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<v Speaker 5>an athlete?

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<v Speaker 8>What would you say was the most challenging thing about

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<v Speaker 8>your journey to become a basketball player and how did

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<v Speaker 8>you overcome those challenges?

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<v Speaker 14>See the most challenging thing about being a basketball players,

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<v Speaker 14>People and athletes sometimes don't put themselves as a human

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<v Speaker 14>being first. The thing I always try to do is

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<v Speaker 14>be more than a jock. So I remember times when

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<v Speaker 14>we had late practices or games and I was like,

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<v Speaker 14>I'm still gonna be in class tomorrow when I know

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<v Speaker 14>people think I'm gonna be late or try to be

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<v Speaker 14>absent or feeling myself because I just had thirty five

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<v Speaker 14>points last night. For me, that was the toughest part

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<v Speaker 14>to get people to see me as a person and

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<v Speaker 14>for me to have more goals than just basketball.

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<v Speaker 8>That's great because you got some people like in the

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<v Speaker 8>world that just only want us focus on basketball for

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<v Speaker 8>some one thing. But maybe if that don't work out,

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<v Speaker 8>you can focus on other things as well. You can

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<v Speaker 8>do other things in life. Somebody might play basketball, they

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<v Speaker 8>might want to be a doctor, be a poet, something anything.

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<v Speaker 14>There's no job, no career that you can solely do forever.

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<v Speaker 14>I don't care how good you are at it. Doing

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<v Speaker 14>multiple things in multiple industries is actually not only going

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<v Speaker 14>to be a key to your happiness, but a function

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<v Speaker 14>of your success.

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<v Speaker 5>Before we go Jalen, how would you sum up Bill

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<v Speaker 5>Russell's legacy?

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<v Speaker 14>Bill Russell number six is iconic as a human being,

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<v Speaker 14>as an athlete, Eleven championships in thirteen years, one of

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<v Speaker 14>the most infectious smiles, the biggest laughs that you'll ever

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<v Speaker 14>hear in sports. One of the guys that when he spoke,

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<v Speaker 14>everybody listened.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you both. This was a great conversation.

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<v Speaker 8>I just want to thank you so much for this

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<v Speaker 8>opportunity to just talk to you and give you an interview,

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<v Speaker 8>and this is great, and thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 14>Thank you. I appreciate the love. Stay focused, stay disciplined

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<v Speaker 14>in or a learner exit a leader.

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<v Speaker 5>Listeners, thanks for joining in today and for going on

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<v Speaker 5>a journey with me to learn all.

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<v Speaker 2>About Bill Russell.

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