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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, ESPN announcer and Arizona Cardinals play by

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Speaker 1: play voice Dave Pash at Pashpod. That's how you can

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Speaker 1: us out for listening to Hall of Famer Kurt Warner

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Speaker 1: and All Pro safety Buddha Baker on our first two

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Speaker 1: episodes of the Dave Pash Podcast. We've had great response

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Speaker 1: on social media, got a lot of nice techs and

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Speaker 1: emails from members of the media and in the sports

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Speaker 1: world who have really enjoyed hearing from Kurt and from Buddha.

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Speaker 1: And in the near future, we're going to dive into

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Speaker 1: what the national media has to think about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one NFL season. We're also going to have on

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Speaker 1: some guests that go beyond the sports world into the

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Speaker 1: entertainment world. But today we sit down with Arizona Cardinals

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Speaker 1: head coach Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff, of course, in his third

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Speaker 1: year with the Cardinals, his first coaching job in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: It's also one of his first jobs outside the state

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Speaker 1: of Texas. He sat down with me and talked about

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Speaker 1: his Texas roots, what it was like being the son

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Speaker 1: of a football coach, playing at Texas Tech and ultimately

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Speaker 1: coaching and then getting fired from his alma mater. I

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Speaker 1: got to know Cliff a little bit when he was

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Speaker 1: coaching in college, working free ESPN and calling college football

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Speaker 1: games for the last two decades. One of the things

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Speaker 1: we do when we come to a university to call

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Speaker 1: we have a meeting and we get to discuss the team.

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Speaker 1: We get to talk about the players as well as

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Speaker 1: the upcoming game. We sit down with a head coach

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Speaker 1: as well as the offensive and defensive coordinators. And I

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Speaker 1: remember a meeting at one of kingsbury stops and talking

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Speaker 1: with Cliff, it was very clear he was destined for

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Speaker 1: bigger things. Kingsbury's coach some of the most dynamic quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, Johnny Manzel and Baker Mayfield. What was that

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Speaker 1: like and how do those experiences compare to coaching Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 1: And why all of a sudden, after seemingly endless skeptics

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Speaker 1: proclaiming that the air raid system quarterbacks will never succeed

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Speaker 1: those guys not only having success, but thriving and getting

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Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl. Cliff dives into his expectations for

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one season, the pressure that he faces

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Speaker 1: in a very important year for the team, as well

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Speaker 1: as some of the top new additions to the roster.

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Speaker 1: So here we go the head coach the Arizona Cardinals,

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury. Well, Cliff, first of all, Man, I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you doing this. You know, I always knew, because

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Speaker 1: I wasn't a great athlete, I always knew I wanted

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Speaker 1: to be a broadcaster. So in high school played little football,

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Speaker 1: played little basketball, played golf, could have played D two,

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Speaker 1: But I knew I wanted to go to Syracuse to

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Speaker 1: be a broadcaster. When did you know you wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a football player, Because I don't think people realize

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Speaker 1: how good of a player you were in high school

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Speaker 1: you know you want to be a football player? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: born in Central Texas, which is, you know, football's a religion,

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Speaker 1: just because it's so popular. I mean, all the girls

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Speaker 1: he harder on you because you were a son? Definitely,

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Speaker 1: Was that the reason Montana they were winning Super Bowl? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna be a firefighter. There's no data football

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Speaker 1: and that was a lot of fun. And then Popovitch,

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to talk to him ever,

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't heard great things and no people

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Speaker 1: covering him for you know, the last fifteen years. He's great.

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Speaker 1: He's great with other coaches, like he loves talking to coaches, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all that. It's interesting because I remember talking to a

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Speaker 1: But they've never met, or at least until two years

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Speaker 1: One thing about him and Bill and obviously you played

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Speaker 1: it out, and whenever that time came, he would he

429
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:47,040
Speaker 1: would step in no doubt, one of the most respectful,

430
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 1: self aware young man you'll ever meet. And I think

431
00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,439
Speaker 1: that's why all his teammates and all his coaches love

432
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,240
Speaker 1: him so much. It's because he gets it. He still

433
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: can be one of the guys and be a great

434
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: leader at the same time. But it was kind of

435
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 1: the same way it takes take. I think as soon

436
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 1: as he got there he felt like he should be starting,

437
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: but he never complained, never worried about it. He just

438
00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 1: kept working until he had his opportunity. So now you

439
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,439
Speaker 1: have Kyler. Did you think you had a shot at

440
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 1: Kyler in high school, I'm assuming no, given you know,

441
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,159
Speaker 1: the guy was recruited by everybody, started an M obviously

442
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: ended up at Oklahoma. Yeah, I knew I had a small,

443
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 1: small shot, and we tried really hard, but he had

444
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 1: close eyes to n M and that was a great

445
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: situation for him to go into. But I was definitely

446
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: gonna gonna shoot my shot because I'd never seen anything

447
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,159
Speaker 1: like him at the high school level. Oh Eve, even

448
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 1: more so than Mahomes in terms of just yeah, I

449
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,160
Speaker 1: think just because he was probably farther along developmentally, having

450
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,240
Speaker 1: grown up really playing the position where pat it was

451
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,520
Speaker 1: kind of his third sport. And you know, the three

452
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: most impressive high school high by films I've ever seen

453
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel, Patrick Mahomes and Kyler Murray and the way

454
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,160
Speaker 1: he moved and the way he could use his feet

455
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 1: and create things, and then being undefeated as a star

456
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: in high school at the biggest level is just like, hey,

457
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: we got we gotta try. One thing that I noticed

458
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: the first camp he was here in your first was

459
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: how much he knew the offense and he's telling Larry

460
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,600
Speaker 1: Fitzgerald where to line up. I'd never seen that in

461
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: the NFL before. How much of Like initially the communication

462
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,679
Speaker 1: between the two of you was, Hey, terminology, what are

463
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,119
Speaker 1: you comfortable with? And how much of it was, Hey,

464
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. You need to adapt. Yeah,

465
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: that was a lot of it. I wanted to build

466
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: it around him. And I knew a little bit. I

467
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: know Lincoln and knew that there were some similarities and

468
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: terminology and things like that, but I wanted to, Hey,

469
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: if you called it this at ou and this allows

470
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 1: you to come in and play right away and play

471
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: at a high level, let's do it. And I think

472
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 1: in this day and agent in the NFL, you don't

473
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: get much time. So if you want to try and

474
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: bring him in develop him three or four years, good luck.

475
00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: And so we wanted to be able to get him

476
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Speaker 1: on the field, playing at a high level as quick

477
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 1: as possible and really build it around him. And we're

478
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: still doing that. I think we're still tweaking things to

479
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,600
Speaker 1: try and figure out just what works best for us

480
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: as an offense and him as a layer. And hopefully

481
00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 1: year three is kind of the year that we take

482
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,879
Speaker 1: that next big step. Any great competitor hates losing. He

483
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: clearly hates losing. He never lost, right and you know,

484
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: you get in the NFL, you lose five games, you

485
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: still could be the best team in the league. So

486
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: you know that first year it doesn't start well. Obviously

487
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 1: last year started well and didn't end great. How have

488
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 1: you seen him grow and develop in terms of handling

489
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: the losses, knowing that it's hard to go sixteen and

490
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: owl even fourteen to two, twelve and four. It's definitely

491
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,679
Speaker 1: been a process. And you're talking about a young man

492
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: who barely had bad halves of football, right and now

493
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,159
Speaker 1: you're having If you have a rough start things like that,

494
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean that that's an adjustment on your mental process,

495
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 1: your mental toughness, and that those are learned things that

496
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 1: only come with experience. And I do think watching him

497
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 1: year one, didn't even have an off season last year,

498
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: which is tough on any quarterback trying to develop, to

499
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: come in and really take a big step. Just the

500
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: things I've seen, it's all moving in the right direction.

501
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 1: We got to continue to work hard and he knows

502
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: how good I think he can be, and we'll all

503
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: push all in this year and see where it goes.

504
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: How much of an adjustment is it for you when

505
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: you go from someone like a case Keenum to Johnny

506
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 1: Football to Baker, to Pat Mahomes to Kyle. I mean,

507
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: they're all different in their own way. What kind of

508
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 1: an adjustment is it for a quarterback coach to try

509
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: to figure out that guy. I've always felt it's it's

510
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: my job to maximize who they are as a player,

511
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: not who Johnny was or Case or what they did well,

512
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: but but what do they do well? And let's build

513
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 1: that around him. And so it takes time. Sometimes you

514
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: don't click as early as you like, but the key

515
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: is really communication and figuring out, hey, this guy does

516
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 1: this really well, he likes this, and make sure you're

517
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: tailoring your offense to him and not trying to fit

518
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: you know, a square and a round hole. What do

519
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: you think is the next step for him? For Kyler

520
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: this year? I mean I've always said, I think we're

521
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: just scratching the surface with what he can do as

522
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: far as dynamic as a runner, tremendous thrower. And I

523
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 1: think it's it's on all of us, him included, just

524
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, what are we best at

525
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: as an offense and then really push all in towards that.

526
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: And I think Steve's done some great things personnel wise,

527
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: bringing some some really veteran leadership in here that's going

528
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: to help us build it the way we want. But

529
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: his ceiling is as high as anybody in the league,

530
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: and you know, it's our job to help him get there.

531
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: A lot of people said when he came into the league,

532
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: all he's too small, He's going to get killed. He

533
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: seems to have he's very smart about when to get down,

534
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 1: when to get out of bounds. But he's gonna get hit.

535
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: It's going to happen. Is it something like, are you

536
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: when you're calling plays, how much are you thinking about, Okay,

537
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: I gotta minimize the shots, you know, if he gets sacked, Like,

538
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: am I not going to run him the next play?

539
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: How much are you kind of thinking about that over

540
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: the course of a game. There's definitely that that thought process.

541
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna be smart, we're gonna make sure

542
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: he's comfortable with things we do, and we're not gonna

543
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 1: put him in harm's way, you know, as little as possible, really,

544
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: But he's always been the smallest guy in the field.

545
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell people that he has this

546
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: innate sense because he he's always had to play that

547
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: way to protect himself and find the soft spot and

548
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: no one to get down that. He's one of the

549
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: best I've ever seen at doing that and avoiding the

550
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 1: big hit. So you're in the NFL, he got Matt

551
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: Rule came from Baylor and Urban, who is with Jacksonville,

552
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 1: And you know, the one year that Urban was out

553
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: of coaching, he was my partner. So two thousand and eleven,

554
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: after Florida and before Ohio State, we were working together.

555
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's like this when you're

556
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: you know, with a coach that you work with and

557
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: you're recruiting with or in the NFL, you know you're

558
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: grinding with. But in our business grinding, you're not grinding.

559
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean you're calling games and hanging out and going

560
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: to dinner, but still you're with each other two three

561
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: days a week every week. For four months, we got

562
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: pretty close, and I was talking him a little bit

563
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: during the Texas stuff and obviously he could have the

564
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 1: Texas job, and then when Jacksonville came available, and I

565
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: think one of the things in talking with him the

566
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 1: Nil stuff was a concern like if I go back,

567
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just I'm not just recruiting parents.

568
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: Now it's I got to worry about what else does

569
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: he want? And at what point, you know, are you

570
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: recruiting the agent with the NIL staff. Do you think

571
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: more college coaches are going to try to get to

572
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: the NFL because of that? I do? I do. I

573
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,360
Speaker 1: think between that and the transfer portal stuff going on,

574
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean that that's a tough dynamic to try and navigate.

575
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: And so I think you're going to see a push

576
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: And it's it's hard, obviously hard to get in this

577
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: league with everybody vying to do it, but the recruiting

578
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: aspect has become year round. It's become really challenging for

579
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: those guys. My hat's off to them, and they basically

580
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: have twice the workload based upon Hey, when you get

581
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: done with your football stuff, you're going home and you're

582
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: tweeting and your text and you're communicating with young men

583
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: to try and get them to come to your program.

584
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: So it's it's a real challenge and I think you're

585
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: going to see some guys probably try to make that move.

586
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: Do you miss the recruit I know, as when you're

587
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 1: recruiting players, you close to me, get close to the families,

588
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: the NFL is a little different. Obviously, it's I mean,

589
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: both are a business, but this is the others not

590
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 1: you know, call the business, but it is. So is

591
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: that something you miss the recruiting aspect, I think parts

592
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sure the parts you don't. But the

593
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: biggest part to me is that you're taking them from

594
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: their parents home. You know you're gonna have them four

595
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 1: or to five years are used to before this transfer

596
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: deal got crazy, and you're really having a huge impact

597
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: on their development as a man, And I think that's

598
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. These guys here are highly motivated,

599
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: incredible humans that are here for that reason, and so

600
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: they don't need a lot of help navigating um some

601
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: off the field stuff. But those young people, they're looking

602
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 1: at you for durations guidance and you can really build

603
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: some some lifelong bonds with them. And so that's a

604
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: part that I do miss. The dynamic then of going

605
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: from college to the NFL, where that's different. Where you're

606
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: coming in you get guys who you know, they're not

607
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: majoring in finance, they're out there to kill somebody so

608
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: they can feed their family. Uh, you know, what was

609
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: the dynamic like for you adjusting to Okay, the relationship

610
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: of the player is different in college than it is

611
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL, And how how did you adjust to

612
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of learned the ropes. Yeah, I mean I've watched

613
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: and observed a lot. I'm a guy who wants to

614
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of see a first four. I dive in, and

615
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: the guys have been great. The biggest thing is there

616
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: is no poking or prodding. Everybody's incredibly motivated. Where in college,

617
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: you know, may have to wake a kid up, missus waits,

618
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: missus mills. I mean, that's not happening. And so I

619
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 1: really enjoyed that part of it. And then the competitive

620
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: nature of every day. I mean, whatever drill you do.

621
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 1: Larry told me like one of the first days, we

622
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: were trying to walk through and cleats and it turned

623
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: it in like an all out, you know, eleven on

624
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: eleven football game. He's like, coach, have you put grown

625
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: men in cleats anywhere and they're practicing for money? This

626
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen. And so I learned that

627
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: lesson quick It's just the competitive nature of any drill.

628
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: Anything you're ask him to do is just through the roof.

629
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: Who were some of the other coaches that you lean on,

630
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: that you talked to. I don't know how many you're

631
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: talking to the week, but you know, over the course

632
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: of a season or in the off season, who were

633
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: some of the guys you lean on. Yeah, I mean

634
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: Daniel Holgerson's the guy that really got me into coaching,

635
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: along with Kevin Sumlin, my dad obviously, and then Sean

636
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: McBay is somebody's been great to me. And we're in

637
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: the same division, which which is tough, but you know,

638
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: he's been in a little bit longer than me, particularly

639
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: as an assistant coach, and he's been a real, really

640
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: positive resource for me. What Sean like because like I

641
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: did watch and listen to the podcast with you and Schreeger,

642
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Speaker 1: and I thought it was hilarious. He just seems like,

643
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Speaker 1: obviously the guy is brilliant. Yes, as a football coach.

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Speaker 1: What type of guy is he? He's awesome, man's man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could sit there and just listen to

646
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Speaker 1: stories all day, very very friendly, kind to people. I

647
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: really can't say enough good things. But but you now,

648
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Speaker 1: the first and foremost, he's kind of a football savant.

649
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Speaker 1: I mean he'll talk about plays and I'm like, how

650
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Speaker 1: on earth do you remember that? I don't remember what

651
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Speaker 1: we you know, ate yesterday for dinner. And he's naming

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Speaker 1: all play after play in this and that. So he's

653
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Speaker 1: he's as dialed in as any coach I've ever been around.

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Speaker 1: How do you balance because it seems like he's kind

655
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Speaker 1: of figured out the balance of OCAM. I'm an offensive guy,

656
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Speaker 1: It's what I do. But I'm the head coach and

657
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Speaker 1: I've got to know what the defense is thinking and

658
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Speaker 1: special teams and all that. How is that? And I

659
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Speaker 1: don't know what it was like for your Texas Tech

660
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Speaker 1: in that regard, But how has that changed, maybe even

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Speaker 1: over the course of your time here with the Cardinals. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think as you get the offense and you get

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Speaker 1: more comfortable. We've had our assistant coaches in places, and

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Speaker 1: now going in year three, then that all starts to

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Speaker 1: where you can, hey, I can lean a little bit

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Speaker 1: more in here, leaning a little bit more here. And

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Speaker 1: Sean hasn't done a great job. I thought last year

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Speaker 1: some of the changes they made defensively and what they're

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Speaker 1: able to do with that defense was awesome, and I

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Speaker 1: know he had a huge han in that. So for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, the expectations after the way things ended

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Speaker 1: last year. You know, obviously some of that was audio control.

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Speaker 1: You lose your best player to injury in the Rams game,

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Speaker 1: in a must win game, Kyler gets hurt. So in

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Speaker 1: your mind when you committed this season, what are your expectations.

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned earlier, I think Steve's done a tremendous

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Speaker 1: job of bringing in some real veteran leadership, and that

678
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: was an era that costs us some games last year

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Speaker 1: due to lack of discipline, which starts with me, and

680
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: we all have to be more accountable on that front.

681
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Speaker 1: You know, we had some tough penalties. I think we

682
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Speaker 1: led the league and offensive drives stalled by penalty, and

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Speaker 1: I think we led the league in defensively allowing drives

684
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Speaker 1: to continue based upon either passing affairs are holding. And

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Speaker 1: that's just something if you want to take that next

686
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Speaker 1: step and be a playoff football team, you can't do that.

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Speaker 1: And we recognize that we want to bring some veteran

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Speaker 1: leaders that could help us really monitor things and you know,

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Speaker 1: practice at a discipline, high effort level every day. Look,

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Speaker 1: I know you have to say it starts with you,

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Speaker 1: but obviously, look the players ultimately specially in the NFL

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Speaker 1: when it comes to penalties that kind of stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it ultimately comes down to them. They can't do that,

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Speaker 1: you know, because you it's not like you're not working

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Speaker 1: on stuff during the week. It's not like it's not

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Speaker 1: talked about. So you mentioned leadership and how that can

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Speaker 1: impact things. Where specifically do you think is it in

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Speaker 1: the huddle, you know, after a big mistake where a

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Speaker 1: guy says something like, where do you think it stands out? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a great, great question. I think it starts, you know,

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Speaker 1: in the locker room. I think kind of how you

702
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: do one thing is how you do everything, and so

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00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: guys handling their business there. You know, if you're supposed

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Speaker 1: to be in the training room at a certain time

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Speaker 1: doing it, if you're supposed to be on time to

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Speaker 1: a meeting doing it, and then a practice just not

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Speaker 1: allowing that to happen, right, you don't grab a guy,

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Speaker 1: don't hold a guy, don't have a pre snap penalty.

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Speaker 1: And those guys monitor that way better than any of

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Speaker 1: the coaches can. I'm sure you know you knew what

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Speaker 1: you were getting into when you took the head coaching

712
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: job in the NFL. That look you. If you win,

713
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Speaker 1: you can write your own ticket for a long time.

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Speaker 1: If you don't, you know, the pressure is going to

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Speaker 1: be on. And I'm sure you've heard, you know, people

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Speaker 1: talk about how important this year is for for everybody

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Speaker 1: in the organization. You know, how much do you think

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Speaker 1: about that? Does that motivate you at all? Or is

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Speaker 1: it just something you're like, you know what, people are

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Speaker 1: gonna write, what they're gonna writ, they're gonna say what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna say. I know what I'm capable of. I

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Speaker 1: would say the greatest thing that's ever happened to me

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Speaker 1: is getting fired at Texas take because basically from about

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Speaker 1: year two on, year three on, I mean it will

725
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: every year it was the same situation. And if you

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Speaker 1: get fired from a place that you're passionate about, you

727
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Speaker 1: have all your friends, all these ties there. I mean

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Speaker 1: that that's a real baptism of by fire. And so

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Speaker 1: after going through that experience, I just kind of refocus

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Speaker 1: myself and I know it's important. I know what to

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Speaker 1: focus on and that's what I do. And my job

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Speaker 1: is to maximize these players and try to put the

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Speaker 1: best team on the field that's possible, and that's what

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue to try and do. Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: not asking to get into you know, x's and o's

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Speaker 1: for this year and tell, you know, the fans you know,

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Speaker 1: how things are going to be different, but you know,

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Speaker 1: is there anything in terms of a tease maybe that

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Speaker 1: you know, we can look for and how things could

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Speaker 1: be different offensively for the Cardinals. I think a big

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Speaker 1: addition that hasn't been made too much of a big

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Speaker 1: deal about his Aj Green. I think the situation he

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Speaker 1: was in there and since he and some of the

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00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: things that had happened, he's kind of gone under the radar.

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Speaker 1: But he's a big time player and we've really enjoyed

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Speaker 1: having him so far. And I think that addition with

747
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Speaker 1: hop on the outs side, Christian Kirk rondel Moore, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you got some real weapons that we're gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to hopefully continue to expand the passing game and do

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Speaker 1: some fun stuff with. I know AJ's older, but you

751
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,439
Speaker 1: know at one time, I mean you've got two guys

752
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: on your roster that at one time could have been

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00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: considered the best player at their position. So I mean

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00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: AJ Green for a long time was elite and he's

755
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: a freak and he's tall and he can band it

756
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: all that. How about the run game. You're bringing James Connor.

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00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: You have guys back that have been on the team,

758
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: but how do you think the run game might look different.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the biggest signings we had was

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, you know, getting a Pro Bowl All Pro

761
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: center with with kind of a young quarterback pairing him up.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be huge. Brought and Brian

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Speaker 1: Winners as well. Josh Jones as a young man who

764
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 1: has developed that we're excited to see where he fits

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Speaker 1: in the mix. And so I think it starts with

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Speaker 1: those guys and Chase. Everybody's seeing when he's at his opportunities.

767
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: He's done great and he's got to stay healthy, but

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Speaker 1: we expect him to have a huge role in James

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Speaker 1: Connor is a bigger back, brings a physical presence and

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Speaker 1: so we really see those guys being a great one

771
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Speaker 1: two punch. What about defensively, anything that stands out to

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Speaker 1: you just when you look at the roster and think

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Speaker 1: about the possibilities for this year. Bringing JJ was huge.

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Speaker 1: Healthy Jordan Phillips is something we're all hopeful for. I mean,

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00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: he's an impact guy. You look back at the games

776
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: he played in and he was huge for US. Chandler

777
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: Jones is an impact guy that everybody's very familiar with.

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Speaker 1: I think bringing him Malcolm Butler, getting Robert Alfred healthy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are established veteran players that have been

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Speaker 1: really successful in the league and bring a lot of

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00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: great leadership. You know you mentioned JJ. We'll wrap up

782
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Speaker 1: here in a second, but I do want to get

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on JJ because I remember doing his games

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Speaker 1: at Wisconsin and you know, he had just gotten there

785
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Speaker 1: from Central Michigan. He wasn't the JJ Watty is now

786
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: in terms of how big he is, but you could

787
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: see the playmaking and I think he won Defensive Player

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Speaker 1: of the Year that last season there at Wisconsin. And

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Speaker 1: O'Brien Scofield was actually a Cardinal at that time, and

790
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: they played together the year before and O'Brien was getting

791
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: all the all the pub But I remember going in

792
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: talking to the the Wisconsin coaches and they're like, oh, O'Brien

793
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: was good, But this kid's different. When you watch him

794
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 1: and when you talk to him. What makes him special.

795
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: There's a certain level of intensity that he has. I mean,

796
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 1: he walks in any room in that building anything, everybody

797
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: kind of stand up a little bit straight, or where

798
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 1: there's the weight room, meeting rooms. I remember hopping on

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Speaker 1: the first Zoom team meeting we had this offseason. He's,

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Speaker 1: you know, staring at you, writing down every word, and

801
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: so he just he brings it every day and guys

802
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: feel that, and so I can't wait to get him

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Speaker 1: out on the privorite field and really get it going.

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Speaker 1: We listen, Man, I really appreciate the time. I'm a

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00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: big fan, always been, and I hope you guys have

806
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: a great year. Man, appreciate it, Dave, Thanks for having me.

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00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: Thanks Man. That interview was recorded a few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: and his comment about AJ Green was before we even

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00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: got to see Green at a training camp practice, where

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00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,439
Speaker 1: it became very clear why Cliff said what he said.

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Speaker 1: Green looks like he can still play at an extremely

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Speaker 1: high level. I thought his comments on the penalties and

813
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: accountability were very interesting, as well as how the locker

814
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: room reacts when J. J. Watt walks into the room.

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Speaker 1: One thing I've always appreciated about Cliff is his humility

816
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: and his willingness to admit he doesn't know at all.

817
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: For him to say that getting fired at Texas Tech

818
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: was one of the best things that has happened to

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Speaker 1: him in terms of understanding the big picture of coaching.

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Speaker 1: Dealing with pressure and expectations was another example of the

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Speaker 1: clarity with which Kingsbury sees his job. We are releasing

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Speaker 1: two Dave Pash podcast this week. Coming up, ESPN groundbreaking

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Speaker 1: NFL analyst Mina Kimes. She will discuss her time as

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Speaker 1: a high school student in Arizona and of course, break

825
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: down the twenty twenty one season and give her predictions

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Speaker 1: for the NFC West. Future guests include speaking of ESPN

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Speaker 1: to members of the Monday Night Football team, Steve Levy

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Speaker 1: and Brian Greasy. Arizona Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell will join us.

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Speaker 1: A couple of my broadcast partners expected to join us,

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Speaker 1: Cardinals analyst Ron Wolfley and Bill Walton. We'll also head

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Speaker 1: outside of the football world and talk to a couple

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Speaker 1: of the the members of the entertainment world, including comedian Frank Caliendo.

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Speaker 1: at pashpod. Thanks again for listening to episode three of

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Speaker 1: the Dave Pash Podcast with Cardinals head coach Cliff Kingsberry.

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Speaker 1: Talk to you soon.