1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental health podcast 2 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: helping you out of the gray and into the blue. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Now here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Welcome and toom Breakable mental health podcast with Jay Glazier. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazier. And one of the things that I 6 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 2: love about this podcast is our title sponsor, Caroline. We 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 2: get to bring in their experts to you know, it's 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: a mental health podcast, so we're here to try and 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: help people out between the ears behind their ribcage. 10 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: And look, I'm not a therapist, I'm not a doctor. 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: I'm not a teacher who I am proudly messed up 12 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: and learning to be more proud of is messed up 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 2: and this and his scars, and I'm able to give 14 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: it words and you know, just a little word here 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: from Carolyn. If you're like many people, you may be 16 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: surprised to learn that one in five adults in this 17 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: country experience mental illness. 18 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 3: Last year. 19 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: You have far too many fellow receive the support they need. 20 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: Carolyn Beger Health is doing something about it. They understand 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: that behavioral health is a key part of whole health, 22 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: delivering compact a care that treats physical, mental, emotional, social, 23 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: needs in tandem Carolyn Behavioral Health raising the quality of 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: life through empathy and action. What I love about Carolyn 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: Baboral Health is I talk a lot about you having 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 2: to really build yourself up mind, body, spirit. That's exactly 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: what they're saying there. And our guests for Carol on 28 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: this time. This is our third guest from Carolyn is 29 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: doctor Jessica Chadri, a Board certified psychiatrist who completed her 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: medical training at the University of Washington School of Medicine. 31 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: Residency is Psychiatry at Yale and a fellowship and psychosomatic 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: medicine at Harvard. She specializes in psychiatric disorders. Is treated 33 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: patients with anxiety, depression, chest of compulsive disorders, substance use disorders, 34 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: bipolar disorders, basically everything that I've gone through, among other 35 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: psychiatric conditions. And she has an expertise in caring for 36 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: patients with co morbid psychiatrics and complex medical problems, and 37 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 2: has cared for patients across the lifespan. She is a 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: National accounts Medical director of Carolyn Behavioral Health and a 39 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. 40 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: How to do there? 41 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: That is quite a mouthful, isn't it. I'm right, you. 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: Need me around all the time. I'm your right, mad thank. 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 4: You, I surely do. I should take advantage of that offer. 44 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: Just so you know a little bit about me. 45 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 2: I have clinical depression, insomnia, ADHD, anxiety. Doctors keep going 46 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 2: back and forth on the bipolar or not, and since 47 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: I kind of want to choke them out because they 48 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: can't give him the right answer, I'm pretty sure bipolar 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: is in there too. I think I've been on thirty 50 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: six different meds and I'm just, you know, one of 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 2: those people who are medication were resistant unfortunately, and I'll 52 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: keep trying whereas they come. 53 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 3: Out because I'll never stop trying. I'll never give up. 54 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: So I've had to try and figure out other ways 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: to stabilize myself between my years behind my dad, get 56 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 3: myself out of bed every day. 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: And I thought it was important to do this podcast 58 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: and to do this book that I wrote, a breakable 59 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: to give mental health words because we could say it, 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: we could talk about mental health. But if you don't 61 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: have the word to discuss it and talk about it, 62 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: you know how we're supposed to really advance and get 63 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: the help that we need. 64 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 3: So that's if there's one thing. 65 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: God blessed me with the ability to communicate, So that's 66 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do on my end of it. 67 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: So I think that we're I'm able to talk about 68 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: it because my suffering, You're able to talk about it 69 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: because of your school and your success. And then we 70 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 2: come in the middle of the two of us together. 71 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: The world needs a lot more of this so we 72 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: can help a lot more people. 73 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 5: Well, Jay, first of all, you know, thank you so 74 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 5: much for sharing your story and for giving me the 75 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 5: opportunity to have this platform to speak with you today, 76 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 5: to talk about mental health broadly, to try to destigmatize, 77 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 5: and just by putting some voices out there. 78 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 4: You know, just you talking about it, I think. 79 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 5: Will encourage other people to talk about what they've been 80 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 5: through as well. 81 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 4: And you sound like you've had quite a journey with this. 82 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I you know, I'm wishing you ongoing success 83 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 5: with that. But I think it's important to understand just 84 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 5: how different, occult, and tricky these conditions can be, and 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 5: these diagnoses can be to treat, to diagnose, and to understand. 86 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: And you know, I. 87 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 5: Know today we want to talk a little bit about 88 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 5: suicide as well, and it is National Suicide Awareness Month 89 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 5: this month in September, which is just a really I 90 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 5: think fitting time to bring some more attention to this 91 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 5: topic and try to continue to destigmatize. 92 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 2: I know, September Suicide Prevention Month, and I think every 93 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 2: month that has become that in a way, because I 94 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 2: think what's happened at least you know a lot of 95 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: veterans that I help with, a lot of football players 96 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: I help with this. I almost feel like suicide has 97 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: become basically a suggested outcome where whenever we have a 98 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 2: veteran of a teammate of event in our group of 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: merging vested players commit suicide. 100 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 3: I always told the rest of the group, hey, be careful. 101 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 2: Now, this is the time you have to be careful, 102 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: because you're all going to sit there and say, well, Johnny, 103 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: just of themselves and everybody's pouring out all this love 104 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 2: on Johnny. Well, my life stucks right out. I feel 105 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: in love. Why won't I do the same thing. It's 106 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: the power suggestion, That's what I want to tell these guys, 107 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: be careful, the power suggestion. I think that's what happened 108 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: is it's almost gotten glorified to a point where becomes 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: this power suggestion somebody else does it. 110 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: We have this outpouring of love. 111 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 2: Instead of oh no, no, no, no, this I guarantee 112 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 2: you this person who just took his life is and 113 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: whatever after life you believe in saying like. 114 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: No, what have I done? 115 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: I didn't need to leave these people with so much pain. 116 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: I didn't want to do that. So I just think 117 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: it's becoming so much more prevalent than just the month 118 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: of September. 119 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, you bring up a couple of really 120 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 5: important points in that message. 121 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 4: So I want to offer in what you said. 122 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 5: You said, you know, suicide has become sort of prevalent 123 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 5: to talk about, not just in September, right, It's important 124 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 5: we talk about these issues. 125 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: And you know, I want to throw. 126 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 5: A statistic out there that I just recently read that 127 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 5: I think is so powerful that the CDs just put 128 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 5: out there a few weeks ago, which said that nearly 129 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 5: fifty thousand people took their own lives in the United 130 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: States last year twenty twenty two. That is the highest 131 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 5: number ever according to CDC data. And one of the 132 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: things you talked about. And by the way, these you know, 133 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 5: these rates they've been they've been increasing now for quite 134 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 5: some time, really for decades, and even in a in 135 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 5: sort of a post COVID world, if you want to 136 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 5: call it, that, we're still we're seeing these rates are 137 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 5: still going up. And you know, one of the most 138 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 5: important messages that I want to convey to you is 139 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 5: while suicide can be a very impulsive act, it can 140 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 5: also be preventable. And we have built a program here 141 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 5: at Carolin Behavioral Health that tries to really put people 142 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 5: on a better trajectory before they reach a crisis point, 143 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 5: and we encourage people to talk about these issues. The 144 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 5: one takeaway that I hope anyone who's listening to this 145 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 5: podcast will take from this is talking about suicide does not. 146 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: Lead to suicide. 147 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 5: It actually only helps facilitate prevention and giving people the 148 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 5: resources that they might need. And so I'd be happy 149 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 5: to talk with you more about the program, but we're 150 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 5: really trying to take a more proactive approach before people 151 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 5: reach a crisis point. 152 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 153 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: I think too many times you see, you're right when 154 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: you see someone suicide. 155 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 3: It's not that they were giving a lot of warning 156 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: sides and just do it. 157 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 2: Those who are talking about it, you're able to get 158 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: them some help and walk them through and get them 159 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 2: the proper care so they'll ultimately make that unfortunate decision right. 160 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 5: And there is there is a bit of a difference 161 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 5: between prevention, which which we know suicide can be prevented 162 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 5: in some circumstances, and also just prediction. Predicting suicide is 163 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 5: actually it's quite tough. 164 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 4: Even the best experts. 165 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 5: Out there feel, you know, there's there's fifty to fifty chances. 166 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 5: But what we've done, and I think this is really 167 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 5: cutting edge, is we have built a predictive algorithm that's 168 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:34,959 Speaker 5: taken into account actually over over nine hundred potential factors 169 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 5: in which suicide risk is assessed. So what that means 170 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 5: from from our standpoint is people that maybe have certain 171 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 5: risk factors, like they may be on certain types of medications, 172 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 5: they may have had prior suicide attempts, they may have 173 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 5: been in the mental health care system for one reason 174 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 5: or another, or they have some difficult soul situations or circumstances, 175 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 5: or they may be part of a high risk group 176 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 5: of people. You've talked about that a little bit too, 177 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 5: but people maybe that have experienced homelessness, or have been 178 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 5: a victim of abuse, or have been treated. 179 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: For anxiety or depression. 180 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 5: I mean, these are just some of the risk factors 181 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 5: that we look at and we try to provide some 182 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 5: predictive outreach through case management for these very high risk people. 183 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 5: And not only do we offer case management services, we 184 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 5: also have what we call peer wellness and recovery specialists. 185 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 5: And what those people are are people that have lived 186 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 5: experience with mental health issues and problems and have gone 187 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 5: through these kinds of issues themselves and they can talk 188 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 5: to our members and give them some hope. 189 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 3: And I want people to understand that. 190 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: Look for me, Okay, my level of depression anxiety is 191 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 2: deep in. It's from birth and I don't know any 192 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: other way to live. So I call it living in 193 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: the gray, and it's every single morning I wake up. 194 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: And some nights before or worse than others were like 195 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 2: I will never commit suicide because I'm not gonna do 196 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 2: that to my son, for my fiance, I'm not gonna 197 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 2: leave the I'm just not gonna leave them with my problems. 198 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: But there's days you do go to bed going man, 199 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: I really hope that sun doesn't come up the next day. 200 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it though for a 201 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 2: lot of us, we are getting confused with mental illness. 202 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: And problems, you know, and you know, our. 203 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: Problems are making us feel like we have a mental illness, 204 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: but instead we just can't deal with life. So we're 205 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: just trying to boil out. And that to me is 206 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: that's what we can't do. You never know what lives 207 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 2: around next Tuesday. You never know when all of a sudden, 208 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 2: this next Tuesday, your life could suddenly change, your dreams 209 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 2: could change. 210 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: You can meet. 211 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: I'm fifty three. I just met and got engaged to 212 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 2: the love of my life. It's never too late. So 213 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: I want people to try to separate their problems from 214 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: their mental health. You know, illness, mental illness, and I 215 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: got problems, right, and I think they're getting a little 216 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: bit too confused to murky, how do you guys go 217 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: about making sure you separate those two. 218 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's that's a really interesting question. 219 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 5: Let me tell you, you know, Jay, we all got problems, right, 220 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 5: every single one of us have got problems. 221 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: And you know it's it's. 222 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 3: Very problems become a big reason right people, absolutely. 223 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: And actually in some ways, you know, the pandemic has 224 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 5: also highlighted these financial concerns for people and has also 225 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 5: really I think, you know, with the with the problems 226 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 5: around the crises that people have experienced in their family 227 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 5: lives and their jobs, general ongoing fatigue, I mean, that's 228 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 5: also contributed to all of this and the general uncertainty. 229 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 5: But you asked, you know, how do we separate problems 230 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 5: from mental illness? 231 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: Right? 232 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 5: And I think it's really important to have some perspective 233 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 5: around this first of all, and trying to understand, you know, are. 234 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: These problems can they can they be solved? 235 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 5: You know, and really trying to put your wrap your 236 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 5: head around that and trying to When I say perspective, 237 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 5: what I mean is, you know, for a lot of people, 238 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,839 Speaker 5: something that could be a relatively small problem or that 239 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 5: can be dealt with becomes a very major issue for them. 240 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 5: And this happens for me too. I mean I'm not 241 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 5: I'm not sort of isolating myself from this. So you 242 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 5: have to, number one, really try to keep things in 243 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 5: perspective and work through them one by one. It's very 244 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 5: easy to become overwhelmed by problems, but if you try 245 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 5: to piece them out a little bit, they may become 246 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 5: more solvable. 247 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 4: Now, what does what does mental illness look like? 248 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 5: Or how do you know that things maybe are not 249 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 5: These aren't just problems, but there's something else going on. 250 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 5: And particular, if someone is at danger for something like suicide, 251 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 5: when when you start to see that, you have to 252 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 5: think about what are some of the risk factors or 253 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 5: the warning signs, right, and what that looks like is 254 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 5: is a change from the norm for that person and 255 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 5: that that's sustained, whether that's. 256 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 6: Changes in sleep, changes in eating patterns, changes in mood 257 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 6: and behavior like anger or hostility that's out of character, 258 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 6: or increased agitation or really withdrawing or feeling socially isolated, 259 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 6: you know, displaying mood swings. 260 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 4: And then when you think more about suicide, you. 261 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 5: Know, are people talking about feeling trapped or being an 262 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,199 Speaker 5: unbearable pain or feeling like they're a burden? Are they 263 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 5: turning to drugs or alcohol more, are they feeling or 264 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 5: voicing hopelessness or suggesting that they have no reason to live? 265 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 5: You know, those kinds of signs, especially again, what's different 266 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 5: from what's what's the norm for that person can become 267 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 5: very worrisome and can be pointing more towards towards mental illness. 268 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 2: Give me some of the tools you think are most 269 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: important for people to properly deal with mental health issues. 270 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: I'm always trying to learn that's that's the way for me. Like, 271 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm on this journey because meds don't work for me, 272 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: so I have to find everything else that you know, 273 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: work for me. 274 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: So I'm always looking to learn new things. 275 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, actually you talk about meds, meds, 276 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 5: meds is it's one tool in the toolkit, right. There 277 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 5: are a number of different tools out there. There's therapy 278 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 5: and different forms of therapy, and sometimes that therapy doesn't 279 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: always necessarily have to be with a professional. There's informal 280 00:14:55,360 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 5: therapy that happens, you know, with community members, with their friends. 281 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 5: A lot of people will say, well, hey, I'm not 282 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: a therapist, but if you want my opinion on this 283 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 5: or that, and you know, those are some forms of 284 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 5: helping to deal with what you may be going through. 285 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 5: There's also, of course, you know, behavioral techniques that can 286 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 5: be used, and that's really different for different people. But 287 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 5: it's really important to understand what is most crucial for 288 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 5: you to keep yourself afloat. You know, whether that means 289 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 5: winding down at the end of the night with a 290 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 5: good TV show, whether that means doing some exercise, whether 291 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: that means doing yoga and meditation and learning mindfulness. You know, 292 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 5: that's very individual, but some of those tools, like for example, 293 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 5: learning mindfulness really help to build resilience. And building resilience 294 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 5: is a very powerful thing when dealing with not only 295 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 5: you know, mental health challenges, but also the general problems 296 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 5: that you've talked about. And of course, you know, if 297 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 5: as I always just want to communicate, it's it's important 298 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 5: to talk about what you're feeling, to try to destigmatize. 299 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: It, and to try to get the help that you need, 300 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 4: and especially. 301 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 5: For somebody that might be worried about somebody who could 302 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 5: be suicidal. You know, utilizing our nine to eight eight 303 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 5: suicide Prevention Lifeline is also a really you know, really 304 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 5: important and beneficial tool that's out there now. 305 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: I want people to know when you call nine eighty eight, 306 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: they're not automatically sending nambulance to your house coming to 307 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 2: get you. 308 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: That's not happening. I just went through this. I actually 309 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 3: just did it for the first time. That's something we. 310 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 2: Call a close friend of mine who was dealing with 311 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: her friend and didn't really know. 312 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: The proper things to say or not I said, well, 313 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 3: you'd all probably not the. 314 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: Right guy either. Should you have a therapist? I said, 315 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: I'm a therapist on vacation. I said, you know what, 316 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: why don't you call nine eight eight, tell them problem, 317 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: have them walking through what you need to say to her. 318 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: So I want people to understand, if you call ninety eight, 319 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 2: you're not automatically having people police and abulances come right 320 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: to your house. 321 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: They're there to give you the proper guidance as well. Correct. 322 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 5: Absolutely, And it's just it's another tool, right, especially if 323 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 5: someone is really if you're worried, right, if you're worried 324 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 5: someone's in crisis, it's another tool. So those are jeels 325 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 5: are just some of the techniques and tools that are available. 326 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 5: You know, for many people, as you've highlighted mental wellness, 327 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 5: it's a journey. You know, it takes time to get 328 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 5: there and to stay there, right, it takes time and effort, 329 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 5: But we've got to keep doing everything we can to 330 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 5: make it a priority. 331 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: For folks out there who you know kind of believe 332 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: their friends and family are suffering from depression anxiety, how 333 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: do you suggest what the best approach for them toward 334 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: this topic so they can try to get them to 335 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: see killed. 336 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 5: You know, I think that's a really really important question. 337 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 5: So number one, you know, don't don't be afraid to ask. 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 5: I'll say it again because this is such an important 339 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,920 Speaker 5: message I want to get across. Talking about suicide, talking 340 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 5: about mental health problems does not lead to them. It's 341 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 5: important that you point them to resources, that you're there 342 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 5: with them on their journey, but most importantly that you're listening. 343 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 4: You're listening to. 344 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 5: Their story, you're offering validation and making sure they understand 345 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 5: that they're not alone. And then, as you know, we've 346 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 5: gone through some of the things to watch out for 347 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 5: some of those risk factors, and if you do see 348 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 5: some of those changes or changes in the norm and 349 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 5: you're really getting worried or this has become sustained. 350 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 4: Get help for that person. But I think offering that 351 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: ear and that. 352 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 5: Compassion are some of the most important things that we 353 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 5: can do for other people. 354 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, every time I have opened up to a friend 355 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 2: of mine, it's just gotten as closer together. And now 356 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: for people out there, I think you've heard me say 357 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: this in the past. The tools I now use what 358 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: I'm really struggling. I will call four friends and tell 359 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: them I am really struggling, and none of them shunned 360 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: away from me or shied away. 361 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 3: They've all embraced me more. It's made our relationship closer. 362 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 2: Then I'll call four other people just to check up 363 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: on them without telling them struggling, because that's my way 364 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: of being of service. And being of service is one 365 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: of the other tools that I have in much she 366 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,719 Speaker 2: wants tell me through my gray So for anybody listening 367 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: out there, it's a really easy way for you to 368 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: get yourself in a little bit better mind state. But 369 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 2: it really goes here what Doc says about reaching out 370 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: and talking to someone. Your people want to be there, 371 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: they want to lift you up, they want to be 372 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 2: an ear for you. You're not being a burden to them. 373 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: It actually makes them feel like a better family member 374 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 2: or a better friend at the same time. 375 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, and what a terrific story. And you know, I'll 376 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 5: just add, when you give back and you provide that 377 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 5: service to other people and you show your showing gratitude, 378 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 5: and that gratitude is what helps you build your own 379 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 5: res bilience too, And that's that's such a that's such 380 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 5: a great story. I hope people will take that away. 381 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: Doc thank you so much for joining. 382 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: Asking Doctor Jessica Chaudry board sertified psychiatrists who completed medical 383 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: training at the University of Washington School Medicine also stops 384 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: in Yale Harvard, places that I could really spell when 385 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 2: I was going to college. 386 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 3: So I really appreciate you joining us today. 387 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 4: It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much. 388 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 3: Anything else you want to add before I let you 389 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 3: go that I did not ask? 390 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 5: You know? The only one you know? The only other 391 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 5: one thing I'll say about all this is. 392 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 4: When we talk about. 393 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 5: These issues, which are of such critical importance, we are 394 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 5: helping to destigmatize and that stigma that people still have 395 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 5: around mental health is still very powerful. 396 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 4: So if we can keep talking about these. 397 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 5: Issues, whether they're in our families, our communities, our social settings, schools, 398 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 5: places of worship, sports teams, if we understand these issues, 399 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 5: we are going to have greater and greater acceptance of 400 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 5: these issues. And that's really my ultimate goal with all 401 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 5: of this. 402 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: One of the biggest things that's helped me, doc, is 403 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 2: to realize you the majority. Now I'm no longer the minority. 404 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: And once you do that, then really does erase the 405 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: stigma you don't have to suffer in silence. You're like, oh, 406 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: there's so many other people in the room just like me. 407 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 2: It doesn't make you feel as different or as damaged 408 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: as I used to growing up. So now I really 409 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 2: believe I'm in the majority and that's helped me a lot. 410 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your story, Doctor 411 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 3: Jessica Childry from Carol Mavior, I'll thank you so much.