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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. Welcome to the Guilty of Charge Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. My name is Stephen

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Speaker 1: and I am the host as always, and joining me

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Speaker 1: is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what some man? How you

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Speaker 1: doing this afternoon?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing awesome, Steven. It's July. It is the month

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Speaker 2: of training camp. Dude, Jude, I'm excited. I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: Training camp, among other things happening in July.

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Speaker 2: You know, Fourth of July birthday, on my wedding, my wedding. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's in two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'll be there for that one. Yeah, there

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Speaker 1: you go, Happy early wedding to the Shunes. Happy fourth

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Speaker 1: of July. We are recording this on Sunday the second,

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Speaker 1: but you guys are watching this on the fourth, So

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Speaker 1: hopefully you guys are having a great time celebrating Safetime,

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Speaker 1: celebrating today. Thank you for listening, and hopefully we give

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Speaker 1: you guys a good show or some offseason content. So,

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Speaker 1: like Tyler mentioned, we are about three weeks away from

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Speaker 1: the beginning of training camp, and so we figured we

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Speaker 1: kind of revisit some of the bigger question marks that

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Speaker 1: we have leading up to training camp. That We're hoping

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Speaker 1: we get answered in training camp and preseason as the

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Speaker 1: Chargers kind of you know, kick off the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: three season. So excited to dive into all of that

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Speaker 1: today before we begin, As always, we are fans first

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Speaker 1: and foremost, we are independent content creators for the Chargers.

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Speaker 1: We are fortunate to be doing this every single week

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Speaker 1: for you guys, and you know, at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, we're fans just like you are. So the

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Speaker 1: opinions that we express on today's show are not always

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Speaker 1: reflected by the organization, by the coaching staff. We're just

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Speaker 1: happy to have a platform that the Chargers have given

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Speaker 1: us and we're hoping we are doing them proud. So

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Speaker 1: excited to dive in today show. Tyler. When you look

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Speaker 1: at kind of like your process here in determined what

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Speaker 1: kind of question marks we have left to be answered,

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Speaker 1: where did your mind like first go before we actually

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Speaker 1: get into the questions. What was kind of your process

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Speaker 1: in whittling it down to getting these questions that we have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that tended to I tended to lean towards stock

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Speaker 2: everything's more positive. I want someone to take that step forward.

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Speaker 2: So who could that person be? And the other direction

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Speaker 2: I went was what roles do does this person have?

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Speaker 2: Is their role diminished, do they have more of a role,

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Speaker 2: kind of where I looked at for the most part.

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Speaker 2: We'll get in some other stuff too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, when we look at like

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Speaker 1: who can emerge, who can you know, cement their status

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Speaker 1: obviously always at the forefront of my mind at these days.

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Speaker 1: And so that's kind of my first question. And I

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Speaker 1: is there a Trey Pipkins in twenty twenty three. I

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Speaker 1: So if I said to you, Tyler, like who could

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's tough, because there's Trey Pipkins got to start right,

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Speaker 2: But there will be a training camp battle. But I

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Speaker 2: think Pipkins got himself and he did get a Duke

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Speaker 2: And I know Kelly didn't, not to my knowledge, get

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Speaker 2: We've talked so much about, you know, Kellen Moore in

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Speaker 1: So Joshua Kelly was never really given his chance leading

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Speaker 1: So I think you look at his twenty twenty two season,

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Speaker 1: that he himself talked to our guy Argen on our

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Speaker 1: But this coaching staff clearly thought a lot of Joshua

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's in a great spot where we've seen

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Speaker 2: who did you have in mind for this question?

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Speaker 1: So I did have Joshua Kelly written down, just like

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Speaker 1: The two main candidates I thought we could discuss would

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Speaker 1: think some of that is Donald Parham, right, who we

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Speaker 2: It took a minute, right, third round players start immediately

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Speaker 2: he was looking really, really good. I mean, you talk

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Speaker 2: He just needs to put it together. And again, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you can look at a guy

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Speaker 1: But this team has also been really hesitant to move

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Speaker 1: So do you feel like there's anything that can happen

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Speaker 1: regular season, that's another conversation. But like I said, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of a fan base thing. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: a nus thing, and like there's just not a lot

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Speaker 1: of optimism for the defense. Everybody's so excited for the offense,

436
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Speaker 1: rightfully so, but the defense is just it's, I don't

437
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Speaker 1: know what it is. Man Like, usually at this time

438
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Speaker 1: of year, there's a lot of optimism excitement that builds

439
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Speaker 1: around the whole team, but I feel like the vibe

440
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Speaker 1: is always like, yeah, the offense is gonna be great,

441
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Speaker 1: but yeah, the defense I'm not really super excited about it,

442
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Speaker 1: so I'm just curious to see how long that pendulum

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Speaker 1: takes to start swinging in the other direction once training camp.

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Speaker 2: Actually, hopefully not too much during camp because the defense

445
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Speaker 2: is dominating, that's great, but that means the offense isn't

446
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Speaker 2: doing so hot. So hopefully it's a nice good.

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Speaker 1: Back and forth. Yeah, yeah, all right, Tyler, what's your.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's continue with the quarterback here. Justin Herbert the passer.

449
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Speaker 2: We know a lot about him, and we've talked about

450
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Speaker 2: We had Sean on the show talked about these new

451
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Speaker 2: or improved concepts with Kellen Moore. We know the guy

452
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Speaker 2: can throw you know, strawberries through battleships or X wings

453
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Speaker 2: through Star destroyers. But what are we going to see

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Speaker 2: from Justin Herbert the runner? You know, remember in twenty

455
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Speaker 2: twenty one when Herbert would would drop back say, good jobs, dealers, defense,

456
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Speaker 2: you have perfect coverage. That was a great call, and

457
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Speaker 2: they did run all over them for ninety yards. Because

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Speaker 2: he's six foot six, two forty and one of the

459
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Speaker 2: most athletic quarterbacks in the NFL. You know, he's capable

460
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Speaker 2: of so much, and in twenty twenty one, he was

461
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Speaker 2: eleventh in yards after contact per attempt and ninth in

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Speaker 2: yards per attempt, which is tied with Kyler Murray, which

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Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of fans would associate those

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Speaker 2: two guys together in terms of yards per attempt, but

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Speaker 2: that's what it was. That's what Herbert can do. But

466
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Speaker 2: that rib injury last year really broke Herbert's like, literally

467
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Speaker 2: broke Herbert's capacity to be that same runner, because he

468
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Speaker 2: dropped to second worst in yards after contact per attempt,

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Speaker 2: only ahead of Tom Brady who's forty five, and third

470
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Speaker 2: worst and yards per yeah, not great, and third worst

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Speaker 2: in yards per attempt only ahead of Mac Jones and

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady. So now he's healthy, he has the weapons

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Speaker 2: to spread out the defense, and we believe that he

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Speaker 2: has the line to protect him. So Dak Prescott under

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Speaker 2: Kellen Moore typically between forty five to fifty rushes per

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Speaker 2: season under killing Moore. So it's not like this is

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Speaker 2: going to be, you know, Lamar Jackson in a thousand

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Speaker 2: yards sort of thing. But I think Herbert runs you know,

479
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Speaker 2: more rollouts, more designed bootlegs, et cetera than he ever

480
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Speaker 2: has before, and I think he really rocks with that

481
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Speaker 2: swagger that we saw him run with against Miami.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm glad you brought this up, because

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Speaker 1: this was not one that I hadn't thought about. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I like previously I've thought about you know, Justin Herbert

485
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Speaker 1: the Runner, right, But Benjamin Solak and Stephen Ruiz for

486
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Speaker 1: The Ringer are doing these great episodes every Friday, and

487
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Speaker 1: one of the things that they ever evely talked about

488
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Speaker 1: was quarterback mobility and how it's changed and affected, you know,

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Speaker 1: offenses in twenty twenty two and leading into twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: And not just the fact that you know, you can

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Speaker 1: design run games around these guys, but the cheatko that

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Speaker 1: scrambles are becoming specifically, and Justin Herbert's great outside of

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Speaker 1: the pocket. We've seen him extend and play and do

494
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Speaker 1: all that, right, But the amount of EPA generated from

495
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts on scrambles last year

496
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Speaker 1: it was like some of the most efficient football that

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Speaker 1: could be played because it's just such a big cheat

498
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Speaker 1: code right now for these guys to get outside the

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Speaker 1: pocket and create. And I think Herbert will get a

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Speaker 1: lot more design runs this year, for sure. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. The interesting part to me is also his

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Speaker 1: ability to scramble, and I think offenses in general are

503
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Speaker 1: becoming like it used to be. You know, quarterbabacks, drop

504
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Speaker 1: backing of one, two, three, four checkdown. Right now, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like one two, maybe the good ones get

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Speaker 1: to three and then everybody just starts running, And we

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Speaker 1: don't really see that from Justin. We didn't see it

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Speaker 1: from him last year. Definitely not last year, like you

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Speaker 1: mentioned with the rib injuries. Does he kind of get

510
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Speaker 1: back to that because that was a huge deal for

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Speaker 1: his rookie season, it was a huge deal during twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one as well. It's his ability to get outside

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Speaker 1: the pocket create those extra plays for the Chargers, and

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Speaker 1: some of his best moments have come from that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff, you know, the last season when he was

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Speaker 1: finally healthy, the scrambled drill to Keenan Allen against the Raiders,

517
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Speaker 1: you know, and that right corner end zone. So I

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Speaker 1: do think we'll see more of Justin Herbert the runner,

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Speaker 1: like design wise, just because he's healthier, but like, the

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Speaker 1: scramble drills are one of the biggest cheet codes in

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Speaker 1: the sport right now, and I'm excited to see her.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back to that, and just his his creation

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Speaker 1: ability that we didn't really see a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: As much as we don't like the Chiefs, I have

525
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Speaker 2: to respect Patrick Mahomes for his ability to move. It's

526
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Speaker 2: unfortunate to watch because the Chargers have been there. He's Shuich,

527
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Speaker 2: but he's so good at football. It's amazing because he's

528
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Speaker 2: arguably the best thrower, the best quarterback you know, throwing it,

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Speaker 2: passing it in the NFL, and he was last year.

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Speaker 2: But then, like even just watching him play, it's sometimes

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Speaker 2: just the runs that break the defense more than anything

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Speaker 2: else because I'll go, oh, you know, okay, all my

533
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Speaker 2: guys are down there, Travis Kelsey's covered, Okay, I just

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Speaker 2: runner for fifty runner twelve. So getting back to that

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Speaker 2: would be great. And I think that now that Herbert

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Speaker 2: is healthy and they have a good line, I think,

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Speaker 2: a good system, it will also help them a bit

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Speaker 2: out on those third slash fourth down decisions, because you

539
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Speaker 2: saw it last year. Sometimes on third down, maybe there's

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Speaker 2: an injury or there was a Herbert you know, rib injury,

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Speaker 2: and he wouldn't be so keen on running it in

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Speaker 2: those situations. They'd boot him out maybe, but then he'd

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Speaker 2: have to dump it in the dirt. You know, couldn't

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Speaker 2: quite take those hits because he was hurt. And then

545
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Speaker 2: he had a torn lab ram later on, which also,

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Speaker 2: again we can have a whole conversation about how often

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Speaker 2: he should run because of those injuries. But on third down,

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Speaker 2: if you're able to boot out Herbert gave him options

549
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Speaker 2: down the field and he can run it, you feel

550
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Speaker 2: better about your your prospects of then going for it

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Speaker 2: on fourth down potentially because you've gotten close, story, you've

552
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Speaker 2: lost nothing, etc. So I think it's just a big

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Speaker 2: ripple effect. This team really needs Herbert to be able

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Speaker 2: to run again. Not twenty times again, not ten times

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Speaker 2: a game, but just those three or four times that

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Speaker 2: are backbreakers. Huge for this team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think we'll I'm I'm excited to see

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Speaker 1: what kind of quarterback run game elements we can see

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Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore on this team, because you know, I

560
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Speaker 1: think he did a lot of great things with Dak,

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Speaker 1: especially before Dak had his big injury. Right. If you

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Speaker 1: go back and watch Kellen Moore's first season as offensive coordinator,

563
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Speaker 1: there was a ton of Zone Reid opportunities for Dak

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Speaker 1: that year, and his rushing ability was one of the

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Speaker 1: key reasons why the Cowboys with that year were super

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Speaker 1: effective on offense. So excited to see Herbert the runner

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Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty three. Okay, next one for me,

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Speaker 1: I think this is just kind of an interesting roster debate, right,

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Speaker 1: and that's the quarterback two position behind Justin Herbert. And really,

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Speaker 1: what can Max Duggan do this year to potentially dethrown

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Speaker 1: Easton Stick? And I think the team has said all

572
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Speaker 1: the right things regarding Easton Stick and his potential, right,

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Speaker 1: They've they've always been high on him. You know, they

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Speaker 1: brought Chase Daniel in because he was familiar with the offense.

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Speaker 1: But now this is this is presum Eton Stick's job

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Speaker 1: to lose, and they drafted Max Duggan and then the

577
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Speaker 1: NFL passed the whole third quarterback rule in this category

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Speaker 1: as well. So is this pretty clearly defined, like this

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Speaker 1: is Easton Stick's job to lose? QB two is his

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Speaker 1: and Max Duggin is he's just kind of taking a

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Speaker 1: red shirt year he's kind of developing. Or is there

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Speaker 1: a way that Max Duggan can catch Eastern Stick and

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Speaker 1: be the quarterback too, So this is again this is

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Speaker 1: probably way further down the list for a lot of people, right,

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Speaker 1: But like when it comes to roster position battles, you know,

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Speaker 1: the team always says they want competition in every position,

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Speaker 1: and right now, there's just not a lot of Max

588
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Speaker 1: dugg In buzz outside of maybe Fort Worth, Texas people

589
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Speaker 1: who are big fans of his. So I just want

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Speaker 1: to see what Max Duggin looks like in training camp. Man.

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Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot of things that he

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Speaker 1: does well that you can't see when people are in

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Speaker 1: shorts and they can't hit him, you know, And so

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Speaker 1: I think that his just the gamer mentality I think

595
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Speaker 1: is more prone to come out in a setting like

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Speaker 1: training camp in a preseason game, and I'm curious how

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Speaker 1: much weight that would carry in the presumably.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also very curious, and I'm curious to see

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Speaker 2: how Kellen Moore evaluates backup quarterbacks because I think with

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Speaker 2: Joel Lombardi and this makes sense anyway, I'm sure this

601
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Speaker 2: is across the league very similar. They wanted the game manager, right,

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Speaker 2: Is Chase Daniel the game break or quarterback? Probably not,

603
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Speaker 2: although he had some good runs, so you know, Hey,

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Speaker 2: I'll give it to him, but he's not Eastern Stick.

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Speaker 1: He had like a forty yard carry in the preseason.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey that was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: He won the quarterback two jobs, so maybe there's that.

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Speaker 2: But I'm curious if Kellen Moore will lean towards more

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Speaker 2: Eastern Stick, who I think right now because he's been

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Speaker 2: in the NFL, he's been on the team, played for

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Speaker 2: the Chargers, like, I think he not that he's a

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Speaker 2: game manager, but I feel like I'm more confident in

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Speaker 2: saying that he could manage a game in the preseason

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Speaker 2: better than Max Duggan right now because he's been in

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Speaker 2: the NFL. But would Kellen Moore prefer someone like Huggan

617
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Speaker 2: who would go out and let's say, generate more EPA

618
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Speaker 2: per play or EPA for the entire offense, because even

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Speaker 2: last year, Chase Daniel as a game manager earned more

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Speaker 2: EPA than Easton Stick, which I know is kind of

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Speaker 2: wild to think about, but that was kind of it,

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Speaker 2: like chunk plays for Eastern Stick versus Chase Daniel and

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Speaker 2: kind of death by a thousand cuts sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: And of course, yes, a forty yard rush in the preseason,

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Speaker 2: so you know, which way do they lean. They obviously

626
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Speaker 2: like Duggan, they drafted him, and I think an underrated

627
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Speaker 2: component of that is that he does have chemistry with

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Speaker 2: players on the team. Eastan Stick does obviously because he's

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Speaker 2: been here, but Max Duggan, he knows Darius Davis, he

630
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Speaker 2: knows Quinton Johnston. So I think there's going to be

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Speaker 2: some chemistry there that will help things as well. So

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Speaker 2: is it the most, you know, the most pressing storyline.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not. Again, I hope I never see them play

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Speaker 2: on the field in the regular season because I want

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Speaker 2: Justin Herbert to be out there for one hundred percent

636
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Speaker 2: of the snaps. But I'm really curious how they evaluate

637
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Speaker 2: these two and what they do differently than each other

638
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Speaker 2: to distinguish themselves from the other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there was a lot of, you know,

640
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Speaker 1: putting the quarterbacks into a specific box and like what

641
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Speaker 1: Joe Lombardi was looking for, you know, under the previous regime,

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Speaker 1: we didn't we didn't really see that a whole lot

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Speaker 1: like Cardil Jones got to do Cardil Jones and eisen

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Speaker 1: Stick got to do Stick and Tyrod got to do Tyrod.

645
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Speaker 1: Like it was it was more like playing to their

646
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: strengths when they were in but with the previous regime,

647
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, you both are gonna run the

648
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: exact offense. We want you to do the exact same things,

649
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: and we'll see who's better at that kind of thing.

650
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: And so I think this this regime with with Kellen

651
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: and obviously Doug Messmeyer, I'm curious to see how that

652
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: battle takes shape. And also just in general, like the

653
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: thing now with the three quarterbacks, nobody really ever tried

654
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: to replicate the Taysom Hill thing in New Orleans, mostly

655
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: because Taysom Hill is built like a tight end, like naturally,

656
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: and he's a freak athlete. But now that there's kind

657
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: of quarterback insurance built in, I'm curious if anybody really

658
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: kind of experiments with like a Taysom Hill esque role,

659
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: more so now because you have that kind of safety

660
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: net in having the third quarterback role. So that's that's

661
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: less a charters thing and more of like a general

662
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: NFL thing, because I don't want kel Moore to take

663
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert off the field to do you know, gadgety things.

664
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: But you know, maybe other teams who don't have a

665
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: quarterback situation settle might be looking at their third quarterback

666
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: and I mean thatky Man. That guy can run, like

667
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: let's do some things with him. So that's a general

668
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: football curiosity, not really Chargers related, but had to talk

669
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: about it.

670
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And Max Duggan is someone who can run

671
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: the football very very well. So I'm not saying that's

672
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: the only thing that Taysom Hill does, but you could

673
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: do some things with him. And Easton Stick is very

674
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: very athletic, so we've seen that on display. Yeah, that

675
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: could be fun for sure.

676
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: All right, Tyler, what's your next question?

677
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: The one that literally has to be answered? Who starts

678
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: in the slot the Chargers. We talked about how an

679
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: embarrassment of riches at defensive back because they could play

680
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: a Santi Cimo junior here, who we just saw have

681
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 2: one of the greatest defense back performances I've seen in

682
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: Chargers history with three interceptions in one half. Or they

683
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: could take j. C. Jackson and move him to the

684
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: slot on like an as needed basis because he has

685
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: before and I'm sure that's what Brandon Staley would like

686
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: to do. On occasion. You could put well, I don't know,

687
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 2: Derwin James in the slot because he can cover anybody

688
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: in the slot. You know, from George Kittle and Camp

689
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: we've seen before to Keenan Allen to Travis Kelcey. I

690
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: know that there was that touchdown that Derwin James allowed

691
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: to Travis Kelcey, and that's you know, that's rough, obviously,

692
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: and he'd like to have that back. But across two games,

693
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: he only allowed forty two yards to Travis Kelcey. That's

694
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: pretty darn good. And then you have John Taylor who

695
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: went from Day three pick, you know, to a late

696
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: Day three pick to camp standout and then special teams

697
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: ace and then kind of helping the Chargers win against

698
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: the Broncos to holding his own against Miami again against

699
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel in just his rookie year against some really,

700
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: really good wide receivers. So I'm curious who's going to

701
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: play in the slot, because one guy has to play

702
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: the majority. I don't think it's going to be one

703
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: guy for one hundred percent of the snaps. Right, we

704
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: just talked about all those all these different players they

705
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: can mix and match, and Brendan Stealely is going to

706
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 2: mix and match because there's no reason to not put J. C.

707
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 2: Durwin et cetera. In the slot. But who's going to

708
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: be that guy? And that might change throughout the season

709
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: as well. Right, the corner room has shifted a bit,

710
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: you know, it was very different from what they were

711
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 2: in training camp in the preseason. But to start the season,

712
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 2: who's going to be that guy? Yeah?

713
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: I think this is probably the biggest most important question

714
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 1: that needs to be answered during training camp, specifically on defense.

715
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned earlier, you know, jac Jackson and him

716
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: being healthy changes the ceiling of this defense. Right. Well,

717
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: the good thing about jac Jackson is that he's logged

718
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: over four hundred snaps in the slot in his career,

719
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: most of that obviously coming in New England last year

720
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: with the charge. He's mostly, you know, an outside cornerback,

721
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: but he's done that in the past. Sande Sandon Junior

722
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: hasn't logged a ton of snaps in the slot. I

723
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: think it's like eighteen or nineteen in his career, but

724
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: he did that at Florida State. They've been cross training

725
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: him since they drafted him to play that kind of role.

726
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Just here, Taylor Derwin James, like you outlined, you know,

727
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: maybe this is a space where Rahem Wayne can carve

728
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: out a role as well. Dyon Henley can play in

729
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: the slot, So the Chargers have options here. They needed

730
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: to get settled because I think there's a situation here

731
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: where a very talented corner is not playing one hundred

732
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: percent in the snaps like we're used to seeing, and

733
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: that probably catches people by surprise, you know. I think

734
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: outside of Michael Davis, any of these corners can move

735
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: around and play any position. You know. I think Derwin

736
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 1: James I would love to see him get more reps

737
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: in the slot because I think he's a fantastic slot defender.

738
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: The Chargers probably need a better safety room behind him

739
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: to make that more plausible, but he can do that

740
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: role and I think that plays to his strength. So

741
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: how this position battle, presumably between Jessea Taylor and a

742
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: Santa Samon Jr. Maybe j C. Jackson plays out, I

743
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: think is the most important roster battle because if just

744
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: here is the better slock corner again, we're just like

745
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: outside Definitely I'm taking a Sante right. Asante is a

746
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: legitimately top tier outside corner. We don't know what he

747
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: can do in the slot, and people are talking about

748
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: it like that's just gonna translate one to one. We

749
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 1: don't know that. So how does everybody react to potentially

750
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: just here Taylor being cornerback four? If just here Taylor

751
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: is a clearly better slot corner is an interesting thing

752
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: to talk about. Again, outside corner. I'm taking a sante

753
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 1: all day here, but we don't know what he looks

754
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: like in the slot. We haven't seen it. We've seen

755
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: just see her. Taylor play some up and down football.

756
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: But the ups were pretty good, man. I mean he

757
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: shut Jayalen Walla down pretty nice in that game. So

758
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: in terms of roster battles, definitely the biggest question here.

759
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be exciting. I really hope the defense plays

760
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 2: on the fans side of the field so I can

761
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 2: watch these two go out and rotate in and see

762
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: what they can do, because it's gonna be fun. And

763
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: this is a very very important position on the team. Sure,

764
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: all all pieces of the defense are. But we've been

765
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: talking so much and fans are asking me so much

766
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 2: about how's the run game going to get better? How's

767
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: the run defense going to get better? And that starts

768
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: in the slot. You know what was some of the mistakes.

769
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 2: I guess that happened last season, so we'll see who

770
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 2: they pick.

771
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think a small part of me has

772
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: always thought that at his best, maybe JC takes a

773
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: pretty sizable role in the slot. Brandon State Thing obviously

774
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: made a name for himself as the Rams defensive coordinator.

775
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: One of the things that the Rams did that really

776
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: helped them become that top defense was put Jaylen Ramsey

777
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: in the slot, and if you look at his play

778
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: in the slot that year, he was probably the best

779
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: slot corner in the league. Again, he's got a very

780
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: unique body type for a corner because he can do

781
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: all of that and he can play like a linebacker,

782
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: you can play like a corner. If you hear him

783
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: speak about his past, the Chargers thought of him as

784
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: a safety prospect. So Jayleen Ramsey has a very unique

785
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: body type. Jac Jackson doesn't share that same charistic but

786
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: he's again logged four hundred snaps in the slot, So

787
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I think you have a lot of built in flexibility here.

788
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: But there's going to be a point where a role

789
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: is defined as a starter and a role is defined

790
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: as CB four, and how that plays out is going

791
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: to be very very interesting.

792
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: I didn't know that's so you said jac Jackson they

793
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: thought of him as a safety or Jalen Ramsey.

794
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: No, Jayalen Ramsey talked about this on the I think

795
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: it was the Pivot podcast that when he was going

796
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: through the pre draft process, the Chargers told him, again,

797
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: this would have been with this was still when they

798
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: were in San Diego. Who was the defensive coordinator.

799
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 2: In twenty sixteen, Pagano?

800
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: Pagano? Is that still Pogano? I don't know. Anyways, Jalen

801
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Ramsey told the story that the Chargers were going to

802
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: draft him as a safety if they ultimately decided to

803
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: draft him, and then they decided to draft Joey instead.

804
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: But he he's told the story that if he were

805
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: going to be a Charger, he would have come in

806
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: as a safety.

807
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: Interesting, Well, we'll never know.

808
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: No, we won't because he got drafted to Jacksonville. So yeah,

809
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: like I said, biggest position battle right there for me.

810
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: I think my last question here is just gonna be

811
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: summed up as the twenty twenty two draft class because

812
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: I think we know what we have in Zion, we

813
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: know what we have in Jamari, but everybody else is

814
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: kind of an uncertainty in this group. Again, I think

815
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: we're higher on just here that more so than most

816
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: people are. You know, Xander Horrath got a really hot

817
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: start to the season and then for whatever reason, didn't

818
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: really get to play. He played great on special teams,

819
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 1: but didn't really get to carve out a role on offense.

820
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: Dean Leonard didn't really get to carve out a role

821
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: on defense. And then obviously the big ones are j T.

822
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Woods and Isaiah Spiller, again, guys who are seemingly doing

823
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: all the work necessary to take those steps in development,

824
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: but it's it's a lot of question marks for my liking.

825
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: We have two great players obviously in Zion and Jamari,

826
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: but who becomes that third, you know, second year player

827
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: to take that leap? I think is a super important

828
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: aspect of this upcoming season because I think we all

829
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: really like the top of the Chargers roster, but that

830
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: middle part we need some players to come in and

831
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: step up. And whether that's you know, a running back

832
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: three coming in and season a role, whether that's a

833
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: safety three like JT. Woods, you know, proving he can

834
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: be that reliable piece, I think is definitely an important

835
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: question that needs to be answered in training camp in

836
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: the preseason.

837
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, JT. Woods has more talent in his pinky finger

838
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: than I think ninety percent of the world does. That's undeniable.

839
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: He's one of the most athletic players on the Charges roster.

840
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: I remember looking it up. I think he's like the

841
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 2: third most athletic in terms of RAS their most athletic

842
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: safety the Charge have ever dropped in their entire history.

843
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,919
Speaker 2: And at his college Dape, which I think people frag him. Two,

844
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: he's so smart. You watch him in college and even

845
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: for a guy who is kind of between football and track,

846
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: he was so good at processing, not just against the

847
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: past but also in the run game too. But last

848
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: year in the NFL, his rookie season, it just wasn't

849
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: as successful as I think he wanted it to be

850
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: or anybody wanted it to be. And that came down

851
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: to mistackles processing again, the speed of the NFL, it's

852
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: very different. And then not working into special teams. So

853
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: you know, heading into year two with your Ryan Ficken

854
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: on special teams or now promoted Derek Ensley and Tom

855
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: Donotel obviously Brandon Staate, like, do they have renewed faith

856
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: in him? Can he earn that trust throughout training camp.

857
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: I hope so, because he's supremely talented.

858
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's not something that like changes the Chargers

859
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: scene on defense, but like him hitting his stride this year,

860
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: it would be a huge positive outcome for this defense

861
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: because turnovers are so valuable and his ability to create

862
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: those turnovers is really unique to that safety room because

863
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: Derwin can create turnovers, but it's it's generally like fight.

864
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: JT.

865
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: Woods coming in and being somebody that could you know,

866
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: get four or five interceptions on the season, like that

867
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: changes games, right, Like those interceptions could be extremely valuable

868
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: for this defense. So JT. I think has the potential

869
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: to be a player who can really turn the tides

870
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: for this defense. Whether or not that comes to fruition

871
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: really depends on him. It depends on maybe Raheem Lane

872
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: is just comes out of know right, Maybe Rahem Lane

873
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: is a breakout star this year for this defense. You know,

874
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.

875
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: But j T.

876
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: Woods has the potential. We've seen it, you know. I

877
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,720
Speaker 1: think people will point to like his mistackle rate in college,

878
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: but he was always in those positions. Like me and

879
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: you had this conversation in Las Vegas when we were

880
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: watching his game tape with Argen after the Charges drafted him.

881
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: Even if he missed the tackle, he was always right there,

882
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: good position, good form, good technique. It was just like

883
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: one little like minor tweak here and there that he

884
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 1: would that would result in the mistackle. So I I

885
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 1: still think that there's a world where JT can hit,

886
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: but it's it's a question mark, right, Like he has

887
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: to come in and do the work, and he has

888
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: to prove that he can belong on the field and listen,

889
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: like Justin Humbert is going to take some chances in

890
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: training camp. We know this, this is how quarterbacks progress.

891
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: But JT has to be on the receiving end. We've

892
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: seen time and time again. A guy like Mark Webb

893
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: comes to mind, Like it was you know when he

894
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: was a rookie, he had like three interceptions that first

895
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: week of practice, right, and then last year, same kind

896
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 1: of thing. So there's gonna be opportunities for these defensive

897
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: backs to make plays on the football and JT needs

898
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: to come down with them and prove that he can

899
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: earn that role. Because safety three for the Chargers, like

900
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna play three hundred four hundred snaps in that

901
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: role and potentially more if there's an injury, But you

902
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: know that's that's a super key role that needs to

903
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: be sorted out this in this Yeah.

904
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 2: I'd love to close things out there and at least

905
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: on my end with Edge three rather than Safety three.

906
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: And this has been snowballing of it for me, and

907
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: I keep thinking of it and I can't get her

908
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: out of my brains. I want to talk about it.

909
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: Does Chris rumf eaten to more Edge three steps and

910
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: playing tim than we're talking about We literally just talked

911
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: about this, but I don't think it's being discussed enough because,

912
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: as we've talked about on our show before, and I

913
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: even got to talk to Morgan Fox about this a

914
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: couple of weeks ago, the Chargers two best four man

915
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: fronts in terms of pressure rates involved Chris Rump. It

916
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: was three other guys and Chris Rump. And we know

917
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: that Brandon Staley loves to work stunts out of them.

918
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 2: The stunt rate with Chris Rump on the field in

919
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 2: those fore man groups was really really high, and their

920
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: most effective fore man group with Chris Rump had a

921
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: pressure rate of almost seventy percent, which is the second

922
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: best among any grouping in the entire NFL. And Morgan

923
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: Fox when I asked him about this, he talked about,

924
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: you know, the more that they worked together and the

925
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: more they understood how to rush with one another, the

926
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: better they got. So you know, Tully's going to play

927
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: a ton, but he is very young, and I would

928
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: I would just watch off of Chris Rump's usages this

929
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: year because I don't think you take those stats and

930
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 2: a seventy percent pressure rate, granted not on one hundred snaps,

931
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,759
Speaker 2: but you don't take that seventy cent pressure rate and

932
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: what you can do with stunts and just throw that away,

933
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: and you don't take that progress that you've made and

934
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: just throw it away. Because they've really developed as a unit,

935
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: and if Chris Rump is a big part of that

936
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: and a big part of their effectiveness, he needs to

937
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 2: be out there rushing the passer. So again, I think

938
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: Tully probably plays the most edge three snaps, but I

939
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: think that Chris Rump is going to eat at more

940
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 2: of those I guess edge three snaps. Then I think

941
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 2: maybe we're all talking about.

942
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I mean, pass rushers take a

943
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: while to develop, right, Like this is a trend that

944
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: we see come to fruition across the league. You know,

945
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: this is Chris Rump's third season, this is really his

946
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: first off season. I think Coach Ed talked about this

947
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: like the off season after your second year is really

948
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: the first time where you feel like comfortable in your

949
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: own skin and your own training regimen. All of this

950
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: stuff kind of comes together. So, you know, Chris Ruff

951
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: had some really positive signs during the preseason last year,

952
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: particularly against the Rams in that preseason game, I thought

953
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: he played fantastic. You know, less of meat on the

954
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: bone during the season one hundred percent. I think he

955
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: would admit that too. You know, there were times where

956
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: he would make he would do a great pass rush

957
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: move or shed a block at a really high level

958
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: and just not make the play. So if he's able

959
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: to make those plays, then definitely you got to keep

960
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that guy on the field. And you know, something we've

961
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: talked about is kind of lightening the load on Khalil

962
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: Mack and Joey Bosa. And if you have too Le

963
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: and Chris brumf both kind of hitting their stride, that's

964
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: a great problem to have. You know, having four pass

965
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: rushers that can play meaningful football for you is definitely

966
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: a blessing, So I agree with that. I think, you

967
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: know two, Ley's kind of the favorite for sure for

968
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: that position. But similar to josh Palmer, I don't think

969
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Chris Brump just like hands it to him like Quenton

970
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: Johnson and Tuli are gonna have to earn these roles

971
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: because Joshua Palmer and because Chris Rump are going to

972
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: be nipping at their heels. Is because they don't want

973
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: to lose those jobs. They don't want to lose them snaps,

974
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: and it is gonna be fun to see how that

975
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: that edge group comes to.

976
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'll really get the answer to

977
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: this question until the regular season and far into the

978
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 2: regular season, but still I am very curious because Chris

979
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 2: rum should probably be out there as edge three to start,

980
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 2: So how long does he maintain that status for and

981
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: does he really carry that potentially all the way into

982
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: Week one?

983
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's fair because you don't want to

984
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: just hand a role to too lee. You want him

985
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: to earn it too, So I think that is fair.

986
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: All right, Tyler Man, that was a great discussion. Hopefully

987
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that. Again, this is the meat of

988
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: the off season, so hopefully you are enjoying the off

989
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,920
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990
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,719
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995
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996
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