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Speaker 1: All right, So once again, ladies and gentlemen, you are
Speaker 1: tuned into the platform that apparently is a haven for
Speaker 1: bass players. Yes, we've had so far, James Alexander, we
Speaker 1: have flee. You had none but coin words for our
Speaker 1: guest today. Of course, the Mono Neon episode, which we
Speaker 1: guys were highly happy with today, is no exception. I
Speaker 1: got to get a drummer on here. Eventually, it's probably
Speaker 1: reductive to just refer to our guests as a bass
Speaker 1: player or a Grammy winning bass player. I really don't
Speaker 1: know the proper superlative that could accurately describe our guest today.
Speaker 1: He's definitely one of the quirkiest I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: these are things you've heard about him. Quirky, genius, very distinctive,
Speaker 1: very original. I love his work because it's full of
Speaker 1: truth and humor and pain. It scares me to here
Speaker 1: is music because these are often the thoughts that are
Speaker 1: in my head.
Speaker 2: Oh man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So as we celebrate Black Music Month, we at
Speaker 1: QLs here are happy to welcome the one of the
Speaker 1: only Thundercat to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, bro Man, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: All right, number one, you got to show me the chain.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the Doom?
Speaker 3: I wore these because I wanted to get a chance
Speaker 3: to talk to you about him.
Speaker 2: This is a very very special story.
Speaker 1: He hold it up to our you know, two of them.
Speaker 3: If you look on the inside, there's an inscription too,
Speaker 3: there's a wow. This was These were created by Han Soolo,
Speaker 3: who was the person who created the actual Doom mask.
Speaker 3: And on the inside it says here lies Victor von
Speaker 3: Doom aka Daniel du Malay rip. Nineteen seventy one. There's
Speaker 3: a long there's a story behind him.
Speaker 1: What's the story.
Speaker 3: Okay, so there is there's a little bit of a
Speaker 3: history between me Flying Lotus Doom, you know, working on
Speaker 3: a couple of things together, this specific moment where these
Speaker 3: come about or these take effect. They were like some
Speaker 3: things I think that were released or Adult Swim, and
Speaker 3: it was like one song was called Between Friends and
Speaker 3: Between Villains and it was kind of like Captain Murphy
Speaker 3: Flying Lotus. So it's like it's kind of like you
Speaker 3: know him, you know, spitting and like it's one of
Speaker 3: those moments where from that fast forward there's so many
Speaker 3: you know, like the legendary stories of how he really
Speaker 3: was the villain slash, you know, be.
Speaker 2: Doing all kinds of stuff like, man, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: is that him? You know?
Speaker 3: No, these two take place after he's moved back to
Speaker 3: London and I think they, oh, yeah, I'm forgetting. One
Speaker 3: of the songs that was also leading to this, there's
Speaker 3: a song called lunch Break on Grand Theft Auto five
Speaker 3: where this was a moment of Doom also like kind
Speaker 3: of you know, getting back into doing stuff. So it's
Speaker 3: like it was kind of like the idea or notion
Speaker 3: of getting getting a chance to work more with him
Speaker 3: was like really you know, Oh my god, you know,
Speaker 3: it's exciting, it's you know, and.
Speaker 1: How many songs were completed at all?
Speaker 3: I mean this, I feel like Flying Lotus would know more,
Speaker 3: bit you know, but I know that there was a couple,
Speaker 3: you know, and but nonetheless, i'd me again, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I have a doom tattoo, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like again, come into the knowledge of doom is such
Speaker 3: like a spiritual experience, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 3: like for anybody. And I think that's kind of why
Speaker 3: the mass kind of even just resonates with people.
Speaker 1: Well, I sort of experienced this firsthand when Kolkeith hmm,
Speaker 1: you know, he came to me as you know, one
Speaker 1: fourth of the ultraman Negin seas and then he had
Speaker 1: this whole nother afterlife now doomed to me like because
Speaker 1: of my age, I guess or my experience, you know,
Speaker 1: and on third base in the gas face like he's
Speaker 1: always been zev love X to me. And I had
Speaker 1: to get accustomed to doom because they're so radically different, yeah,
Speaker 1: than just your traditional break pieces and stuff. But I
Speaker 1: would like to ask people that worship at the altar
Speaker 1: of doom, like is there ever any curiosity into his
Speaker 1: past his Clark Kent period?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: And you got to For me, it's kind of like
Speaker 3: I would have to go backwards because it's like I
Speaker 3: removed by about ten, twelve, fifteen years and I would
Speaker 3: come to discover that stuff later on before I.
Speaker 2: After right, Okay, that's why I want to know the
Speaker 2: osmosis thing. For me, I got it. And again I come.
Speaker 3: I come from a history that with the dudes that
Speaker 3: Sara where it was like do your history, No, no,
Speaker 3: go backwards and know where things came from and leading
Speaker 3: to these chains being made. There's like this him expression
Speaker 3: to want to work more, but I would have to
Speaker 3: go meet him in London because you know.
Speaker 2: He wasn't wasn't allowed by states.
Speaker 3: You know, good Lord, that did not age well right now.
Speaker 3: But we were like, nah, whatever it takes, let's it
Speaker 3: don't matter. I'm pulling up. I was like I saw
Speaker 3: the goal, I saw the you know, the you know,
Speaker 3: I know where we were going and what could have been man,
Speaker 3: oh my god. Now I'm thinking about it, like, ah,
Speaker 3: what could have been lying Lotus? And you know it's
Speaker 3: we were building a nuke, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I always at least in my head, and this is
Speaker 1: weird for me to ask a question because like I know,
Speaker 1: now I'm playing the role of journalists and you're the artist.
Speaker 1: But also forget that in my day job, i'm one
Speaker 1: of you. However, when you have an entire ecosystem. And
Speaker 1: I mean this in the most lovinglessiest way. Ever, when
Speaker 1: I say batch it crazy, I just meant like eccentric.
Speaker 2: Oh you know, we got it?
Speaker 1: Like someone has to play the straight person, do they not?
Speaker 2: Or like, look, there's the years of who.
Speaker 1: Wants to be in the alpha in a room, like
Speaker 1: in this situation, if it is Lotus, who's the alpha
Speaker 1: and who's someone has to be fifty one forty nine?
Speaker 1: Do they not?
Speaker 2: Or m speaking of it in that terminology? I think
Speaker 2: no way.
Speaker 3: There's a place that exists in the heart of knowing
Speaker 3: that the value of it is worth its ability to
Speaker 3: figure it out.
Speaker 2: So it's almost as.
Speaker 1: If being the president and if it works, it works exactly.
Speaker 3: So like even when me and Lotus would look at
Speaker 3: each other, it would be like this, it was like
Speaker 3: it was like Star Trek.
Speaker 2: It was like make it so it was like here we.
Speaker 1: Go, all right, see this is why I have this platform.
Speaker 1: I think because of my drill Sergeant Dad like has
Speaker 1: made me into such a control freak that I'm almost
Speaker 1: afraid to have that level. I mean, I guess you
Speaker 1: could say I might have had it with D'Angelo, but
Speaker 1: even with him, by like month one, I think I
Speaker 1: was operating in fear.
Speaker 2: Hmm.
Speaker 1: Because label people will drop by and you know, mind
Speaker 1: you this is ninety six ninety seven, so everything's like
Speaker 1: sexy and shiny, and yeah, you know they're thinking he's
Speaker 1: going to come up with like one twelve's only you.
Speaker 3: Right right and jeans with a big belt buckle and right, and.
Speaker 1: You know, by like the first year, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, they're gonna blame me. They're gonna blame me
Speaker 1: for this, blame me for this. So I just was
Speaker 1: never in that.
Speaker 2: Place that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I would try to reel it backwards like the crazier
Speaker 1: they got right, So right, okay, But I always wanted
Speaker 1: to know that, what is your first musical memory in life?
Speaker 3: Oh there's something that did pop in my mind and
Speaker 3: I vaguely remember it. I don't know if this was like,
Speaker 3: you know, this is from a different era of like
Speaker 3: I don't even know I'm remembering it wrong, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: but I remember. I think this was in Detroit with
Speaker 3: my mom.
Speaker 1: I think you born.
Speaker 3: I was born here in La Okay, raised in Compton
Speaker 3: for maybe the first ten some odd years of my life.
Speaker 3: Four Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm from Compton, like my
Speaker 3: dad's really from Compton. Like my dad is like Compton Compton,
Speaker 3: went to like Centennial and then when he when the family,
Speaker 3: my dad married my mom and she was from Inkster, Michigan, and.
Speaker 2: She moved to La to be with my dad.
Speaker 3: And we at the in in that first few years
Speaker 3: of life. I would I think they were maybe trying
Speaker 3: to figure.
Speaker 2: Out where we were going to go or.
Speaker 3: And I remember my mom always always make sure to
Speaker 3: try to remind me of things, like you know, growing
Speaker 3: up at church out there, or like I don't remember anything.
Speaker 2: I remember McDonald's.
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, like drawing the Ninja turtles and
Speaker 3: getting in trouble falling off a swing. I think I
Speaker 3: got in trouble for flashing my neighbor. Like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I remember it's snowing a lot. I think I got
Speaker 3: remember cat poop in Compton. No, no, no, this is
Speaker 3: in Detroit, Detroy. No, not snowing in Compton.
Speaker 1: Okay. I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: From what I can remember growing up in Compton, I
Speaker 3: just remember my grandma's back door that led to the kitchen.
Speaker 2: I think I got in trouble. There a lot you
Speaker 2: got in trouble.
Speaker 1: A lot didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 3: I think there's a couple of there's like a couple
Speaker 3: of moments that I can see in my brain, Like
Speaker 3: I think there was a garage, and I think there
Speaker 3: was like this brick wall around our house that was
Speaker 3: blocking us off from the main road in the freeway
Speaker 3: and everything, but it was like concrete. I think I
Speaker 3: remember standing face in the corner with like a voice
Speaker 3: changing helmet in my like my toy guitar. That was
Speaker 3: like but but it wasn't like because I was in trouble.
Speaker 3: I just think I liked the corner and I liked
Speaker 3: how I was, like it made my voice sound, so
Speaker 3: I would like base the corner and like play with
Speaker 3: the toy. I don't know, maybe that sounds weird. I'm
Speaker 3: pretty sure it does. But yeah, no, that's but it
Speaker 3: was lived between Compton and for a small stint of
Speaker 3: time Inkster, Michigan. Okay, and my first memory would be
Speaker 3: singing this song. I don't know it was for church
Speaker 3: or something with my brother where it was like I remember.
Speaker 2: Take my life and let it be constantly created.
Speaker 3: And I don't remember what it was for. I feel
Speaker 3: like there was a video and that was the only
Speaker 3: time I can remember wearing a suit.
Speaker 1: I think I hated it ever in life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was the I feel like I
Speaker 3: remember it was like my mom had us in it
Speaker 3: was like Christmas suits. I had like a green suit
Speaker 3: with a bolo tie. It was like a seersucker and
Speaker 3: I think that was my I was like, never again and.
Speaker 1: You stuck to that. Yeah. Okay. So when you said
Speaker 1: you're from Compton, and I'm certain that that's maybe ninety
Speaker 1: percent of your reactions, But I also realized that my
Speaker 1: reactions are based on what I hear from the news. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because we live where we live, I'm now questioning everything
Speaker 1: I hear. So I will ask you, what do we
Speaker 1: get wrong about Compton? And was that just marketing to
Speaker 1: sell some records? Because the thing is is that my
Speaker 1: mother's side of the family left Pittsburgh. Half of them
Speaker 1: moved to Alta Dina, and I think my grandmother got
Speaker 1: a house in Compton. So apparently I lived in Compton
Speaker 1: in like for one year in nineteen seventy three while
Speaker 1: my parents went to make a record, right, and you know,
Speaker 1: I have slight memories of life childhood.
Speaker 2: And it wouldn't act. It wouldn't act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean it wasn't just the marketing, like
Speaker 1: what was your Compton neighborhood like, or more specifically, if
Speaker 1: you were this quirky, eccentric kid or this person that
Speaker 1: you are, now, how do you navigate that in your childhood?
Speaker 1: Because I was that person in my neighborhood. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: by the age of five, my parents were wise enough.
Speaker 2: To be like, we got to move.
Speaker 1: No, you no, Like you're staying in the house.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't let me go outside. They just thought, like,
Speaker 1: you're way too vulnerable, you'll get beat up every day.
Speaker 1: And so I just lived in the house with records.
Speaker 2: I hear you.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of intersectional points academically to socially that
Speaker 3: existed for the places that we were growing up and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. And I got two versions of the
Speaker 3: story for what this is because there is the person
Speaker 3: that's got their head in the clouds, so to speak.
Speaker 3: That has to be kind of like all right, Stephen,
Speaker 3: you know. And that takes place a little bit later
Speaker 3: in life, like from maybe thirteen up. And that was
Speaker 3: on meeting Reggie Andrews. But my name I always hear
Speaker 3: the most.
Speaker 1: Yeah he is, Uh, was Reggie Andrews specifically responsible for
Speaker 1: every musician? Yes, And because I hear the name Reggie
Speaker 1: Andrews of course of the Dazz Band.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's almost like a sitcom because like
Speaker 3: for me, he's just the teacher, mister Andrews. You know,
Speaker 3: he's like, you know, it's bald, big mustache, you know,
Speaker 3: and like that old like it's almost like a vigner
Speaker 3: and a TV show.
Speaker 2: It's like you and me and my heyday.
Speaker 3: And then when I only saw a video him in
Speaker 3: the Dazz Band on the funeral and my jaw was
Speaker 3: on the floor, I was like.
Speaker 1: So you didn't know let it whip or let it
Speaker 1: or enjoy stick or no.
Speaker 2: I knew all the songs. I knew all the songs.
Speaker 3: I knew everything, but again esthetically or seeing it in action,
Speaker 3: I didn't know what that was. I was like I
Speaker 3: always would hear, like mister Andrews was like, oh earth
Speaker 3: wind and fire level, Like I would be like, I
Speaker 3: mean the guy that wears the card again with the
Speaker 3: with I'm like, nah, I know, I just don't see it.
Speaker 3: And then I saw it and I was like, if
Speaker 3: that's what he was instilling in me, Oh yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: I'm there it is.
Speaker 1: How long did he teach at the school? Since it
Speaker 1: was built from the ground up.
Speaker 3: There's a picture of him at the beginning of the
Speaker 3: school getting built.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with a silver shovel. Who else of note went there?
Speaker 1: Because literally, you gotta be the twentieth person. I know,
Speaker 1: that's name.
Speaker 3: And the far side Patrese Terrace Martin, I mean off
Speaker 3: the top. That's just the first thing there's So there's
Speaker 3: a lot. My teacher went to fire a horn section
Speaker 3: of Gerald Albright.
Speaker 2: Good lord? What was he teaching us?
Speaker 1: Yes, good lord?
Speaker 2: What didn't he teach us? He taught us how to
Speaker 2: be men.
Speaker 3: We used to have a program called Men of Life
Speaker 3: delegation Tyres Gibson too. You know, my brother, my older brother,
Speaker 3: Ronald good lord. But it's like he taught us how
Speaker 3: to survive, like for real, for real, like he taught
Speaker 3: us how to survive, Like our school was central to
Speaker 3: multiple gang territories.
Speaker 1: How do you avoid that?
Speaker 2: Mister Andrews will whoop your asss Like he was that teacher.
Speaker 3: He'd be like, don't come in here with that, and
Speaker 3: he would drop kick you in the hallway. For me
Speaker 3: and my brother, he was like a second father. My
Speaker 3: dad had known Reggie maybe since high school to college,
Speaker 3: and so it was one of those things where like
Speaker 3: mister Andrews was like, when they're of age, you know
Speaker 3: where to send him because he started teaching early on,
Speaker 3: I think. But in the bigger scheme of the experience
Speaker 3: of growing up, we grew up on the line of
Speaker 3: the line between Compton and Watts which was separated by
Speaker 3: the one oh five Freeway.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's like I don't know, like we kind.
Speaker 3: Of slowly migrated further north, like landing in West Adams
Speaker 3: by the time I was about thirteen fourteen, which is
Speaker 3: where this all kind of meets in a different place.
Speaker 3: Me in middle school, I would get picked up. We
Speaker 3: were going to go to lack High School. I wanted
Speaker 3: to go to Fairfax for illustration, like you know, I
Speaker 3: was like I knew Tom McFarland went there. I was like,
Speaker 3: I want to be I want to be an illustrator,
Speaker 3: and my dad was like, absolutely not. Why because I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's like an undertone of like, you know, nah,
Speaker 3: you will you will definitely be broke for the rest
Speaker 3: of your life. I don't know what that was, but
Speaker 3: it was also like the wanting to be the illustrator
Speaker 3: versus mister Andrews being at the helm. I think it
Speaker 3: was my dad knew the importance of us being with
Speaker 3: Reggie Andrews.
Speaker 1: Is this him?
Speaker 2: No, that's Don Cornelius.
Speaker 1: Now come on, now, I know Don Cornelius.
Speaker 4: Is him?
Speaker 2: No, that ain't him.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm on an old episode of Soul Train.
Speaker 3: He played keyboards, So if he is on soul Train,
Speaker 3: you're gonna blow my mind too.
Speaker 1: No, he's definitely want the dash man's on Soul Train.
Speaker 3: That looked like, no, no, that's not him. No, I
Speaker 3: may not see man. I can't I see a like.
Speaker 3: I know I can recognize people's faces, but mister Andrews
Speaker 3: with a Jerry Crow Is is that him right there.
Speaker 2: On the far left? That's him on the far left?
Speaker 2: Is that right there? That just pointed to the drummer. Yes, wait, no,
Speaker 2: that can't be Reggie Andrews. No, hold on, it's a
Speaker 2: whole lot of members.
Speaker 3: Hold on, they've had members throughout the Yeah, that looked.
Speaker 2: That looked a little bit like need to me. I'm
Speaker 2: like they had the softness of the face.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, I definitely know one of these
Speaker 1: catch is Reggie Andrews.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm saying, I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: all I see is a handlebar mustache.
Speaker 2: I can't I don't know how long he's had to
Speaker 2: handle I now.
Speaker 1: I feel like there should be a documentary short on
Speaker 1: him on his mustache or just yes on the mustache.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What did your parents do? I know your dad was
Speaker 1: a musician.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad both musicians. My mom used to play
Speaker 3: in the Philharmonic. My dad what did he play? Flute,
Speaker 3: floutist and a bit of percussion, and my U show
Speaker 3: again also played grew up playing at Crenshaw Christian Center
Speaker 3: and all that, And then my dad was more of
Speaker 3: a road traveled musician who worked with many people like
Speaker 3: Jody Wattley. Again, I was every you know, As I
Speaker 3: get older, I just, you know, sometimes I don't remember
Speaker 3: every last thing. But I know my dad was a
Speaker 3: very working musician and then also kind of has been
Speaker 3: working at Disneyland for the majority of my life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Pops is a real He's a g man. Really, he
Speaker 3: is a g I'll never forget the day he got
Speaker 3: the job working at Disneyland.
Speaker 2: That was a as a kid.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't have too many core memories because
Speaker 3: it's all washed over and all the things that we're
Speaker 3: talking about, But I do remember seeing my dad in
Speaker 3: a in a grass skirt playing in the Lion King
Speaker 3: Parade or it was one of the it was like, it's.
Speaker 2: A core memory. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 3: I remember he was blushing, he was trying to play
Speaker 3: and he was playing.
Speaker 2: He was playing Jim Bay.
Speaker 3: Really yeah, yeah, he was playing Jim Bay and he
Speaker 3: was walking down and he was like you saw us,
Speaker 3: like waving and stuff, and he's like, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it saved our lives, you know.
Speaker 1: So would you often go to Disneyland like Rucini? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this explains everything. Yeah, Like I used to hang
Speaker 1: out access to Disneyland this much. Then that means I
Speaker 1: would hang out in Tomorrowland.
Speaker 3: I would hang out in tomorrow Land and play video
Speaker 3: games and go see Captain the Yoh like I would.
Speaker 3: Just there was a small window because right as a kid,
Speaker 3: that's when all this stuff started happening, like right, which
Speaker 3: we you know, here we go, you know, God bless
Speaker 3: his heart. But I remember, I remember just going and
Speaker 3: being like I want to get on any right, let
Speaker 3: me just go hang out in the arcade. It was
Speaker 3: like Beavis and butt heead, you know, like Zach and Cody,
Speaker 3: but not no camera.
Speaker 1: What's the age difference between you and your brother?
Speaker 2: Two years?
Speaker 3: Okay, the older brother, and then there's ten is ten
Speaker 3: the other way, so Jamial is ten years younger and
Speaker 3: Ronald is two years older.
Speaker 1: Ronald of course is monster drummer and you're young. What
Speaker 1: does he play?
Speaker 3: Pianist? Keyboards and piano. He used to play accordion. Yeah,
Speaker 3: my little brother used to play accordion.
Speaker 1: So he's instantly gonna like, how come this hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's my fault. I need I need to go
Speaker 3: ahead and get him that accordion. I'm like, bro, there's
Speaker 3: not too many black dudes that play accordion, Bro, you
Speaker 3: need to lock in.
Speaker 1: Oh my god to do that. One of my most
Speaker 1: treasure moments at the Tonight Show is us teaching speaking
Speaker 1: of which I think when doom passed or I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: when we did this, but we made where Al Jankovic
Speaker 1: learn accordion. Yeah, and we did it on the Tonight Show.
Speaker 3: It's for the culture, bro, like it's jamil I'm saying, bro, like,
Speaker 3: pick the accordion back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, oh my god, I will use him instantly.
Speaker 1: Look in Brazilian music, Savuka.
Speaker 3: Is it's important, man, monster Like imagine like keeping that
Speaker 3: thing on you, you like, like, oh, what's pop it?
Speaker 2: Oh? Hold on? Let me just are y'all jamming right now?
Speaker 2: Hold on?
Speaker 1: Coming from you guys? Lineage that would make absolute sense
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you remember your first concert ever? Yes?
Speaker 2: I do, I think I do.
Speaker 1: Who was it?
Speaker 3: It was Chucky Booker and Janet Jackson on the Rhythm
Speaker 3: Nation tour and I wore a Ghostbusters outfit and I
Speaker 3: remember Jane rubbing her booty and my mom trying to
Speaker 3: cover my eyes.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 3: I never forgot that And that was the day I
Speaker 3: fell in love with the tune Turned away too.
Speaker 2: That was my that's still my jents to this date.
Speaker 1: That does inform Yes, plane, if you were born twenty
Speaker 1: years earlier, I can see those are your court structures.
Speaker 2: I jam chucky.
Speaker 1: See the novice would just say like, oh, George Duke,
Speaker 1: George Duke example all day now, I.
Speaker 2: See is deep in the DNA.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just when's the first time that you
Speaker 1: got on a stage to perform for an audience, your
Speaker 1: first audience, your first performance.
Speaker 2: First performance.
Speaker 3: That's a good question because there's again I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's uh, you know, when you're growing up in church.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's I would consider that performing
Speaker 3: for me because it's like I would always like to
Speaker 3: consider the first performance the first time somebody paid me,
Speaker 3: because everything else is just like everything else is like
Speaker 3: what's your backup plan?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean like, okay, so I don't count church either,
Speaker 1: and I don't count playing with my dad.
Speaker 3: Even That's what I'm saying, because it's like, it's not
Speaker 3: it's it's part of the so the frech non family lineage,
Speaker 3: non spiritual community gathering, something that you yourself created or
Speaker 3: you got hired for.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, like there were no bands in the school that
Speaker 1: mister Andrews organized, you guys at or.
Speaker 3: Yes there was, and again I really think about this.
Speaker 3: I know Fernando Pullam, who was also another one of
Speaker 3: the music educators in Los Angeles, is of great importance
Speaker 3: that you know, with the programming and stuff like that
Speaker 3: for kids and music. But at the time that we
Speaker 3: grew up to meet the Terraces, Ronalds, the Kumasies, we
Speaker 3: had a lot of like care or a lot of
Speaker 3: like like the like Nissan and the the Loniest Monk Institute.
Speaker 3: They would come together, the Playboy Jazz Institution, they would
Speaker 3: come together and find things and have like this. Mister
Speaker 3: Andrews had a band called Multi School Jazz Band, and
Speaker 3: it was like if you could play, it's not about
Speaker 3: how well, it's like if you can play, bring bring
Speaker 3: your kids here to.
Speaker 2: Lock High School. You had to drive the Lock High School, which.
Speaker 3: Was definitely like a challenge if you if you come
Speaker 3: come through, if you dare after school, you know, hey man,
Speaker 3: it's it's But at the same time, driving down Say
Speaker 3: Street again, those friendships and the people that we meet
Speaker 3: there are still our lifetime.
Speaker 2: Go to the sto you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, So the musicians that I grew up with. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing that most people can't not fathom or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I mean there's a period where I will say,
Speaker 1: if you are a teenager or in your mid twenties,
Speaker 1: especially in the sixties, and then you had this debaucherous
Speaker 1: hedonism seventies sort of pushback existence, like everything that all
Speaker 1: the ideas of the sixties just sort of whittled away,
Speaker 1: and then people just went batshit crazy in the seventies.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, you know, starting with like
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan's America, like the original one point o version
Speaker 1: of Make America Great Again, suddenly turned this crazy deluge
Speaker 1: of just conservatism, and so I kind of grew up
Speaker 1: like my parents were super hip. Yeah, but then around
Speaker 1: eighty one, suddenly we're a Christian household and you can't
Speaker 1: listen to secular music. Yeah, I have prince punishments all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Prince punishments. That's crazy. So I mean he was in
Speaker 2: his draws though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I was like, the education was worth getting
Speaker 1: my ass enrichment, yeah, exactly. However, I will say that
Speaker 1: a lot of my I will say ninety five percent
Speaker 1: of my music community suddenly had no references, Like I
Speaker 1: defiantly listened to Prince so I can get that musical education,
Speaker 1: whereas the closest they might listen to Stevie Wonder, but
Speaker 1: most of the time they're listening to commissioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and commissions and transfer commission Yeah. Like but Amy Grant, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, look, look knowing, No.
Speaker 1: My whole point is because I grew up in a
Speaker 1: household knowing what bands were and who the idol That
Speaker 1: stuff just whittled out in the eighties and by the
Speaker 1: nineties is almost like nonexistent. If he's preparing you to
Speaker 1: be musicians, who are you, guys looking up to when
Speaker 1: all that's left is Tony Tony Tony and.
Speaker 2: Men conditions and condition.
Speaker 1: By the time I got a record deal, there was
Speaker 1: like seven bands left, right, So who are you idolizing?
Speaker 1: Like I see myself in that? Or is this how
Speaker 1: you wind up in suicidal tendencies?
Speaker 3: This is man that No, that moment, that what you're
Speaker 3: saying right now, that's a real thing. I felt like
Speaker 3: in a way, we had to feed off of each other, gotcha,
Speaker 3: So growing up and realizing like I mean, it's like
Speaker 3: it was almost like the movie Kids.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like we made our own rule.
Speaker 1: Goddamn.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We would be outside me.
Speaker 3: Me, me, Kamasi, Austin Peralta, like Zane Musa, like Ryan Porter,
Speaker 3: Ronald we would just be.
Speaker 2: We would be doing whatever felt right to us.
Speaker 3: There's that and then the reality of there's this big
Speaker 3: gap in bridge that doesn't exist that you're talking about
Speaker 3: that nobody walked us across. But like growing up with
Speaker 3: Reggie Andrews and my father and my mom who it
Speaker 3: wasn't all just like Christian music. Growing up, it was
Speaker 3: like we were listening to Tony Williams in Stanley Clark
Speaker 3: and George Duke and I'm sorry, but that's what we
Speaker 3: were listening to. There was no mistaking where to go.
Speaker 3: So like I would be surprised growing up, even as
Speaker 3: we're talking about this gap between like the bands and
Speaker 3: all these things like this and then what the eighties
Speaker 3: were into the nineties, there was like I would be
Speaker 3: surprised because even for me, like growing up with the
Speaker 3: household full of drummers, the stuff like just using like
Speaker 3: like using Tony Williams as an example, the amount of
Speaker 3: my friends that didn't know who Tony Williams was growing up.
Speaker 3: It was almost like me and my brother or my
Speaker 3: brothers were speaking like an alienanguage a lot of time.
Speaker 3: And it's like if growing up with Miles and Tony
Speaker 3: and John McLoughlin and and Alan Holsworth as preference, that
Speaker 3: wasn't It was mostly a lot of gospel musicians that
Speaker 3: were like inspiring more musicians growing up again, which is
Speaker 3: where a lot of it would come out of. But
Speaker 3: we were like we knew everything from the Manhattan Transfer
Speaker 3: to John McLoughlin. There was no and then and then
Speaker 3: and then you got Reggie Andrews being like, it's what
Speaker 3: it's what you make it. Mister Andrews taught us it's
Speaker 3: what you make it. So we would be outside. We
Speaker 3: would like Kamasi got Kamasi got a Mustang like it
Speaker 3: was like a seventy six months like not not.
Speaker 2: A good one, like one of the ones that have
Speaker 2: break down.
Speaker 3: If we would have hit it, even getting rear ended,
Speaker 3: we all would have been buried in the car. It
Speaker 3: was like we had the drums and then the upright
Speaker 3: bass and the Kamasi with the saxophones.
Speaker 2: I'd be in the.
Speaker 3: Back fit like a jinger piece and because Ronald always
Speaker 3: had the front seat, so I'll be wrapped around the
Speaker 3: bass drum in the bass and we would get to
Speaker 3: the gig like man, they gonna pay us, and we also,
Speaker 3: okay eat and they'd be like, man, this was This
Speaker 3: was one of the joys of growing up, because you know,
Speaker 3: people would hire us to do stuff and it'd be
Speaker 3: funny as hell because we get to somebody's thing. You
Speaker 3: know people, you know, people do the thing where they
Speaker 3: hold the phone up and request something from the DJ
Speaker 3: and even shut your answer.
Speaker 2: People will walk up.
Speaker 3: And be like, hey, hey, making y'all play some of Yeah,
Speaker 3: making y'all play some I don't know. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: play some vibe music and COMMASI be like yeah yeah,
Speaker 3: and you turn to us and be like, you're gonna
Speaker 3: take play the message. Next step giant steps right and
Speaker 3: like what you said you want you wanted to hear
Speaker 3: some some prints? Okay, hold on, I'll be right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Just full till were you proficient in the fake book?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what we lived our lives by growing up.
Speaker 1: I think I explained this some previous episodes. If you're
Speaker 1: learning to play jazz, we refer to the we refer
Speaker 1: to the fake book is basically the Wikipedia of probably
Speaker 1: the five hundred as standards that you have to know.
Speaker 3: You just got to know autumn leaves and it's just chords.
Speaker 3: So and if you don't, this is the book. This
Speaker 3: is the You're going to make it easy for every.
Speaker 1: Jazz song you need to know before you even call
Speaker 1: yourself a jazz musician. You called it fake book, which
Speaker 1: was the opposite of I guess there's a real book counterpart.
Speaker 1: But there were better there was better songs in the
Speaker 1: fake book. R Yeah, yeah, I got that. Wait, first
Speaker 1: of all, how did the bass call you? Why did
Speaker 1: you choose the bass.
Speaker 2: Against the bass gets no attention?
Speaker 3: It's not supposed to or something, right, But yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean unless you're Charles Mingus and you punch somebody and
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, you know you got you got.
Speaker 2: Like there's a slippery slope for said bass players.
Speaker 1: Besides Larry Graham, like I really don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe Raphael, but even that, Rafael's usually one third of
Speaker 1: another entity. Yeah, Like you don't see you know the
Speaker 1: saxophone is supposed to be the yeah or the guitar.
Speaker 3: I always said the horn player line is funny for
Speaker 3: me because it's like you got two modes with horn player.
Speaker 3: It's like, if you not it's this is I mean,
Speaker 3: no offense to anybody, but I always say it's the
Speaker 3: line between Kenny g and Kenny Garrett.
Speaker 1: Do you know what his email is? What's his Ny
Speaker 1: Garrett's email? What's Oh I can't see it? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want to dox you. Well, I guess old
Speaker 1: people are embarrassed and having a certain three letters after Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's his is no, no, no, no, you see it?
Speaker 2: You see it?
Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, he used to love let me know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you know, like Tim Capello, the guy from
Speaker 3: the Lost Boys movie where he had his shirt off
Speaker 3: with the saxophone that used to like.
Speaker 2: Haunt that haunted me. Yes, that was I mean the
Speaker 2: song again. I love the Lost Boys. I love the song.
Speaker 3: But I remember I'll being like, man, playing saxophone with
Speaker 3: your shirt off is crazy work. And then I got
Speaker 3: Kamasi and we were on the other side listening to
Speaker 3: Ordain at Coleman and and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like and Coltrane and all this and Sonny Rollins and
Speaker 3: like you know, and I'm sitting here like a.
Speaker 1: Kids into free jazz.
Speaker 2: Oh, we were going turbo as kids.
Speaker 4: Me.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, seriously, like Pharaoh Sanders. We were on
Speaker 3: the other side of the spectrum. And literally and figuratively,
Speaker 3: Camassi we would just he would do, he would be
Speaker 3: at school, and then afterwards we play a little bit
Speaker 3: of PlayStation. But the rest of the night we were
Speaker 3: running the streets, playing these standards and playing original tunes.
Speaker 3: And again, I am so grateful for the years that
Speaker 3: we spent doing that, you know, like the part where
Speaker 3: we got to grow together. Because I'm looking at the
Speaker 3: landscape of things now. Everything it doesn't go anywhere, it
Speaker 3: just changes shape. Sometimes I look at it and I
Speaker 3: look at the type of men that we've become, and
Speaker 3: I go wow. And I look to the generations underneath us,
Speaker 3: and it feels like they were just throwing off a
Speaker 3: cliff when it comes to stuff in that. But then
Speaker 3: at the same time, I go, as it should be,
Speaker 3: because you have to make it yours. Whatever it is,
Speaker 3: if you that's what it is for the next generations,
Speaker 3: you just make it yours. Because we had no rules
Speaker 3: to how we would show.
Speaker 1: Up, all right, So you know, I went to school
Speaker 1: with McBride, Yeah, Christian mcbriden and Kurt Rosenwinkle, and that
Speaker 1: was my bloods and crips hey, because in order to
Speaker 1: get Christian's respect you had to know straight jazz. But
Speaker 1: then Rosenwinkle is also feeding you Captain beef Hart and
Speaker 1: Mount of Vishu orchestra and stuff, and then on that
Speaker 1: I'm cheating on both of them with Tariq.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the thing was is just that I never could
Speaker 1: find cats that look like me that were really into
Speaker 1: free jazz. Like I entered Miles Davis via Bitches brew right,
Speaker 1: and then went backwards because I belonged to Columbia House
Speaker 1: And I'm really dating myself with all these references, but
Speaker 1: you know, getting its entire disc thing. But I just
Speaker 1: never had cats to play free jazz with them, because
Speaker 1: the thing was like, well, you learned the basics and
Speaker 1: the foundation first, then you go to free jazz.
Speaker 2: But I never had it shows up. How it shows up,
Speaker 2: we would be out.
Speaker 1: I just wish, you know, I wish I had that
Speaker 1: experience with that, like who are your three base gods?
Speaker 3: Base gods Stanley, Jocko and if I uh in Anthony
Speaker 3: Jackson of course.
Speaker 1: Okay, the legendary Anthony Jes sir, yes, yes, sir, straight up.
Speaker 1: So what is your morning routine? What is the first
Speaker 1: thing you do in the first half hour of your day.
Speaker 3: I try not to cry, and then I try to
Speaker 3: like not pick my I mean I try not to
Speaker 3: pick my phone up. And then the first half hour
Speaker 3: is like it's really jolting for me because it almost
Speaker 3: feels like somebody threw cold water on me.
Speaker 2: So in that thirty minutes, if I'm not careful, how.
Speaker 1: Long does it take you to not grab the Because
Speaker 1: the thing is I wake up feeling great, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then the second I want to feel like it's twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. Yeah, I picked the phone up. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: evidence sort yeah, oh we're living in hell right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Out the gate that I feel with letting, like letting
Speaker 1: two hours go by, yeah and bliss. Yeah, is like
Speaker 1: I'm doing it as a daily practice, like do not
Speaker 1: pick your phone up till ten.
Speaker 3: But of course, like yeah, well for you though, like
Speaker 3: for me, Like for me, I have my little routine.
Speaker 3: I love to go get my little coffee and read
Speaker 3: some comics.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I trained boxing, okay, as often as possible, So everything
Speaker 3: is always me. It's kind of leading up to that
Speaker 3: for me until there's after. So there's before and then
Speaker 3: there's after working out for me, and it's like, I
Speaker 3: don't know, I feel like again. I didn't realize we
Speaker 3: were crazy in LA until maybe just the last.
Speaker 2: Couple of years.
Speaker 3: Somebody had to bring it to my attention. She was like,
Speaker 3: you do know you're crazy right now? I was like,
Speaker 3: is this why you ended?
Speaker 1: All right? One of the one of the greatest song
Speaker 1: endings of all time? Okay, initially I gave this award
Speaker 1: to Prince's Dinner with Dolors because I love the line
Speaker 1: no more, that's the end and the song stops. But
Speaker 1: when you said you know, I'm from Los Angeles, right,
Speaker 1: it's one thing. If it just cut off there, I
Speaker 1: would have been like, oh, that's clever. It had been
Speaker 1: another thing if the laugh that ensued afterwards was like
Speaker 1: in studio banter. But the fact that you mixed it
Speaker 1: and you know, put the effect on the laugh that
Speaker 1: made me listen to that song like ten times over
Speaker 1: just to analyze everything about it. How self aware of
Speaker 1: you and I'm assuming that all of your therapy talk
Speaker 1: in your records is real life the experiences.
Speaker 2: I do need another therapist to be honest.
Speaker 1: Hey, dog, I have three of them right now at
Speaker 1: the moment, so there's no I'm saying I'm going full
Speaker 1: in on therapy.
Speaker 2: I have three, man, so I'm about to about to
Speaker 2: be right behind you. Help help, let's help, please help.
Speaker 1: When did you become self aware that you need to
Speaker 1: live your authentic life? Because I was told to hide this.
Speaker 1: I think I look at you kind of with envy
Speaker 1: because the answer for me was like hide, don't go
Speaker 1: outside because you'll get picked on, you'll get bullied.
Speaker 2: And then we were getting shot at for sure, but.
Speaker 3: He was staying inside. You would get shot at it
Speaker 3: even if he was inside in La like that's that's
Speaker 3: one of the reasons why we moved from Compton though,
Speaker 3: you know, like.
Speaker 1: My dad, the Compton thing was real.
Speaker 2: It was to have made.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, can I ask what was this straw
Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back?
Speaker 3: That it was definitely somebody shooting at my dad on
Speaker 3: the porch from across the street eight.
Speaker 2: Just for fun or probably high off a showroom or something.
Speaker 3: Oh god, And when my dad tells me because it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, again, growing up in that area, you would
Speaker 3: you could fall victim to it no matter. At any point.
Speaker 3: If you asked Vince Staples, he would tell you the
Speaker 3: same thing. Growing up in LA in this certain area.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that you it's always adjacent. It's right here.
Speaker 3: It's right here. It doesn't mean you got to get
Speaker 3: touched by it, but it's still right here.
Speaker 1: You can hit you it anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And my dad tells me, because I was probably
Speaker 3: a baby when it happened, but he was. I was like,
Speaker 3: I didn't understand why we moved so much, you know,
Speaker 3: a younger, he told me, And it stuck maybe twenty
Speaker 3: years later or so where he was like, yeah, man,
Speaker 3: I was on the porch and all I saw was
Speaker 3: like dust, you know, like a dust and you see dust.
Speaker 2: And my dad said he could see it.
Speaker 3: He could see a dude in the distance by the
Speaker 3: grocery store, just like aiming at him on the porch.
Speaker 3: And I think that that was the straw that literally
Speaker 3: and figuratively broke the camel's back.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it did.
Speaker 3: Like growing up in that area was But at the
Speaker 3: same time, my high school homecomings and all our games
Speaker 3: used to get shot up.
Speaker 2: So this was not weird to me.
Speaker 1: I never thought I see the day where most of
Speaker 1: the humor I have is there's at least twenty tragic
Speaker 1: stories that would have paralized any other human being. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but now if I were seeing up comed like, I'd
Speaker 1: be the king of comedy.
Speaker 3: The line that you're talking about that existed where it
Speaker 3: was like, how did I know to just be? If
Speaker 3: I showed you a picture of my mom, you know, like,
Speaker 3: I'm starting to realize more and more, no matter what
Speaker 3: the case is. My mom was like my mom was like,
Speaker 3: it don't matter be who you are. And I see
Speaker 3: it and I'm like looking at her out and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, you have the years with your mama, whoop
Speaker 3: your ass and you'd be like, you did this to me,
Speaker 3: And it's like, no, I did this to myself. After this,
Speaker 3: after you can acknowledge that you then it's your turn
Speaker 3: to realize that it's you doing this to yourself at
Speaker 3: this point, you know. So I'm looking at my mom
Speaker 3: and me in my older age, and I look at
Speaker 3: her and I'm like, my mom is maybe the coolest person.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I see why my dad married her, Like
Speaker 3: my mom. I get everything from my mom. I get
Speaker 3: my sense of style from my mom. I get my
Speaker 3: inability to see, my ability to see. I get all
Speaker 3: of it from my mom. And even when it comes
Speaker 3: to the part where like I make the joke about
Speaker 3: that's the last time I wore a suit, my mom
Speaker 3: believed who I was the whole time.
Speaker 2: She would see me drawing. She didn't question it.
Speaker 1: So when you said I never want to wear a
Speaker 1: suit again, that.
Speaker 2: Was my mom did. She was like, we'll do what
Speaker 2: you gotta do.
Speaker 1: No, damn, this is the generational thing, man, because you
Speaker 1: were given agency.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mister Andrews, and my parents were like.
Speaker 1: You were respected.
Speaker 3: Like what do you think, Oh, I wasn't respected. Well,
Speaker 3: I still got shot at That's what I'm saying. Like
Speaker 3: I was doing as Kamasi. He'd be like Steve.
Speaker 4: They thought.
Speaker 3: They used to call me snoopy because it was like
Speaker 3: I couldn't It was almost very something. I used to
Speaker 3: look like a girl when I was a kid. I
Speaker 3: used to get like mistaken for a girl when I
Speaker 3: was a kid. Those used to be absolute horror stories
Speaker 3: and like trauma. Right. It would be like even the
Speaker 3: way I dressed, mister Andrews the way I would get
Speaker 3: picked on all the time. I just didn't care. It
Speaker 3: was like some pooty tang level. Like I was crashed
Speaker 3: out on a rival. So there's a part where you
Speaker 3: could do your worst. I'd be like, I do not care, Bro,
Speaker 3: We're gonna die. I'm like you probably before me because
Speaker 3: I got at least I got on Mickey Mouse here
Speaker 3: so they won't shoot the mouse.
Speaker 1: But oh my god, have you ever met the cats
Speaker 1: from Fishblone? And I believe they weren't at your high school.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's almost like the same existence with their
Speaker 1: family seven weirdos like oh yeah made a pack to
Speaker 1: oh yeah stick together? Wow you unpacked so much with that.
Speaker 3: That's this real. It's my parents brother, Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 3: My brother used to get bullied all the time.
Speaker 2: Older brother. He would get picked on. People would steal
Speaker 2: his stick bag. Yeah, like people would take his hand.
Speaker 1: That's blasphemous.
Speaker 3: There's a I was that little brother, like get your
Speaker 3: hands off my brother and just jump on you and
Speaker 3: kill you.
Speaker 2: I was definitely that kid.
Speaker 3: You'd have to pull me if I saw you touch
Speaker 3: my brother, I would you'd have to pull me off.
Speaker 2: If you with a spatula. I would be on you
Speaker 2: like a badger.
Speaker 3: But it's also because I knew where I subconsciously, I
Speaker 3: think that somewhere between it was almost like growing up.
Speaker 2: If I had to describe what it felt like.
Speaker 3: When I can think about it cinematically, somewhere between Hollywood shuffle,
Speaker 3: don't be a menace to South Central and literally menace
Speaker 3: to society. For me, that's what my memory of said.
Speaker 3: Things of this nature were somewhere in between because I
Speaker 3: could see the line. I think the Waynes Brothers made
Speaker 3: it clear to be able to see it. So I
Speaker 3: saw the joke when I saw the when I saw that,
Speaker 3: when I saw Robert Townsend, when I saw the Waynes Brothers,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, this is a stick. I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, yeah, you're gonna it was like okay.
Speaker 3: I would be did we be you know, it would exist.
Speaker 3: You'd be like, where are you from?
Speaker 2: Homie? Did be like this?
Speaker 3: Uh, go ahead and kill me bro I don't even
Speaker 3: I don't even know. I was like, do you know
Speaker 3: where you're from? That would be in the back of
Speaker 3: my mind. I wouldn't ask that.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, no. But but if walking.
Speaker 3: Up on me and talking to me. I would imagine
Speaker 3: you couldn't tell what was going on. I would be
Speaker 3: talking about screwdrivers and hammers and like PlayStation and so
Speaker 3: you would try to be banging on me, and i'ld
Speaker 3: be sitting there looking off into space, and I'd be like,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I probably sounded like snoopy. That's what I was told
Speaker 2: when I was younger.
Speaker 1: So my thing is I had to get out Hooker Crook.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how I willed myself out of
Speaker 1: West Philly stories too. Yeah, it's I willed myself out
Speaker 1: of it. But I mean, and I will admit, like
Speaker 1: when we finally moved to Europe, that was the first
Speaker 1: time where I could like wow, like wow, I made it.
Speaker 1: And then the fear of I gotta do what I
Speaker 1: gotta do to never go back to West Philly, which
Speaker 1: is why this is one of ten jobs, Like I'm
Speaker 1: never going back to West Philly. But in my mind
Speaker 1: it's always like, Okay, I'll take this job, and I'll
Speaker 1: write this book and I'll do this. Ain't for you, though,
Speaker 1: did you ever have a moment where, well, it almost
Speaker 1: sounds like you had no fear of whatever was going
Speaker 1: to happen to you, or it was just so normal
Speaker 1: that it's like, hey, it is, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: But I mean, did you ever have a moment where
Speaker 1: you actually felt like, Okay, that chapter of my life
Speaker 1: is now two blocks behind me in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 3: Or I think that there was so many things to
Speaker 3: focus on that there's a part of me that couldn't
Speaker 3: I couldn't even think for the most part, Like I
Speaker 3: mean jokingly, it was kind of like, so I got
Speaker 3: to learn to read music, then I gotta wear a suit,
Speaker 3: then I gotta show up, and then I gotta like
Speaker 3: keep my art book with me, and then I gotta
Speaker 3: go to church after and then and then I got
Speaker 3: to like have homework done, and then I gotta go
Speaker 3: on tour with you know.
Speaker 2: And like as a part of me where I was.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't think at any point I could ever see,
Speaker 3: I was like I didn't even know what death was.
Speaker 3: I was just kind of like, all right, I guess
Speaker 3: I wasn't thinking so much. I think there's a part
Speaker 3: where I was like I wasn't aware of the fear,
Speaker 3: if that's a better way to put it. So like
Speaker 3: I think I was just more so just kind of
Speaker 3: like observant of things.
Speaker 1: All right, So I pay thousands of dollars to learn
Speaker 1: how to live in the present, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I maintained the gift of the first pandemic. This is
Speaker 1: the second pandemic, by the way, we full in it. Right,
Speaker 1: So the first pandemic, the gift was Okay, I got
Speaker 1: to get some therapy. I got a bunch of issues
Speaker 1: I've been holding on to you. I can't get a
Speaker 1: proper relationship or a relationship with myself or anything. And
Speaker 1: so I had to do a lot of cleanup for
Speaker 1: three years to our pandemic. Now I figured out the
Speaker 1: only way I'm really going to survive this period that
Speaker 1: we're in with my brand intact is literally this day,
Speaker 1: this day, every great day, all right, tomorrow, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say the same thing this day. Yeah, I almost feel
Speaker 1: like you're I think your parents instilled in you the
Speaker 1: idea of living in the present.
Speaker 3: I'm actually going to this may this made trip out
Speaker 3: of it. It was actually Erica. That's yeah.
Speaker 1: I can see that.
Speaker 2: That was Erica that taught me that you're right.
Speaker 3: I can see that the younger me was just like
Speaker 3: my art book was like another world for me. You know,
Speaker 3: playing with my friends was like the best thing ever.
Speaker 3: But it was on meeting Erica that for me was
Speaker 3: like right here, this is where you're at, this is
Speaker 3: this is you can always do this.
Speaker 2: It was heard that taught me right here. Wow yeah
Speaker 2: okay Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a regular job?
Speaker 2: Eh? No, I think working at a comic store is
Speaker 2: considered regular either.
Speaker 1: I was like, are you big?
Speaker 2: You're a big I'm a comic.
Speaker 1: So do you like comics? No? Like, how bad is
Speaker 1: your collection?
Speaker 2: This crash out worthy? It's where somebody being like, you need.
Speaker 1: Help, but what's your most valuable one?
Speaker 2: Most valuable comic?
Speaker 1: Like, are you a I gotta get Edition one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I'm definitely that guy.
Speaker 3: Okay from me at this moment in life again, you know,
Speaker 3: like you know, I was, I look at Marvel and
Speaker 3: DC like it's like bloods and crips.
Speaker 2: There's a part where my dad, what side are you on?
Speaker 2: I am through and through Marvel, kid, Let's keep let's
Speaker 2: be clear about that one.
Speaker 3: Marvel the Bullpen crash out level insanity from the forties,
Speaker 3: I go less go. You know why Batman sticks around
Speaker 3: two because that's like crash out level like depression. Like
Speaker 3: if you ever watched those early Batman's and you go like,
Speaker 3: what was Batman? It was like that was full blown autism,
Speaker 3: Like that was yes, yes, you just goes see he's
Speaker 3: still here. Yes, it's like, oh, they made him rich later,
Speaker 3: way later. But it was like bro was in soup
Speaker 3: lines with a sock on his head, like helping the cops,
Speaker 3: like there's no such thing, and so like that's why
Speaker 3: Batman will always stick to me. But like that's like real,
Speaker 3: Like there's there's some realness to Batman. But Marvel, Marvel
Speaker 3: for me as a child, was everything and it still
Speaker 3: is because it even informed the next generation of comics
Speaker 3: where we have the image comics and all this stuff
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: It was Marvel that did that, like it If Marvel didn't,
Speaker 2: if Marvel.
Speaker 3: Didn't pay Todd McFarlane absolute shite to do everything, if
Speaker 3: he didn't stand up and go, who's coming with me
Speaker 3: and leave to make image, we wouldn't have this generational
Speaker 3: like uh, like, we wouldn't have this fandom like we
Speaker 3: do from the sixties, the Silver Rage from the sixties
Speaker 3: into where Tom McFarland shows up and leaves and creates
Speaker 3: image and all the things that have been from the
Speaker 3: newer writers like Trad Moore to Donnie Kates or Ryan Stegman, Like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I'm a real nerd with this stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean, Like it's we wouldn't
Speaker 2: have that. So it's a I'm sorry, I'm about to
Speaker 2: start crashing out.
Speaker 1: Probably I want to know this. You know, first I
Speaker 1: felt insecure because.
Speaker 2: I do not hide.
Speaker 1: One of my biggest shames in the world is because
Speaker 1: people think that I'm that level nerd. Around like maybe
Speaker 1: seven years ago, it started being hey, man, I know
Speaker 1: you have every record that ever existed, but I got
Speaker 1: some of you don't got. And then they'll pull out
Speaker 1: this thing and instantly I got to get performative, like no, yo, outside, no,
Speaker 1: when I tell you, I know I own eighteen of
Speaker 1: like the most like maybe the first words that got
Speaker 1: himself printed on paper as a cartoon or some sort
Speaker 1: of right, and again people are like, what is he
Speaker 1: want for his birthday? Well, he has every record, he
Speaker 1: has all the soul drains, right is he in the comics?
Speaker 1: And my assistants don't know. Yah, And so I can
Speaker 1: say that I have an immaculate, like Ace comic collection.
Speaker 1: I have no clue what the hell I have, but
Speaker 1: I do know based on the ah, you know what
Speaker 1: this is, right dog? Come on, man, what's my name?
Speaker 1: Of course I know what it is. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: so that's I I wasn't allowed And that's what I
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about, especially with your love
Speaker 1: of anime. Yeah. A big part of my turnaround was me.
Speaker 1: All right, So the first time I'm just psychedelics. I
Speaker 1: watched Fantasia Wow.
Speaker 2: And that's the right way to do it. Actually, that's
Speaker 2: the only way to do.
Speaker 1: It, like for real, because there's inspiration, like for a
Speaker 1: person that's trying to channel his higher consciousness and all
Speaker 1: that stuff like that is and for me, you know,
Speaker 1: after watching it seventeen times, I'm like, what else is
Speaker 1: out there? And people are like, dude, how are you
Speaker 1: not on anime?
Speaker 4: Boy?
Speaker 1: Watches that talk about just your obsession and entry into cartoons, anime, oh, comics?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 4: What is it?
Speaker 1: This is your soul train? What soul train is to me?
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 3: It just depends on where you're starting from, because there's
Speaker 3: a part where I'm genuinely like, you know, there's different
Speaker 3: eras of it again when it comes from the sixties
Speaker 3: to the seventies to the eighties again with the coming
Speaker 3: out of World War Two, where it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: Betty Betty Boop at the time was kind of like
Speaker 3: more influential character in comics and tunes, and so they
Speaker 3: were kind of following suit and trying to like, you know,
Speaker 3: appeal to the American audience, you know, which create which
Speaker 3: created like wee buu culture or like jet panophile level
Speaker 3: otaku kind of stuff like that. But there's a part
Speaker 3: where it's also kind of like somewhere along the lines
Speaker 3: of between working at a comic store and then growing
Speaker 3: up with Kamasi, we were really into that. So there's
Speaker 3: a part where it was kind of like, I've my
Speaker 3: first experience with the anime was like in maybe I
Speaker 3: don't even know what.
Speaker 1: To call it.
Speaker 3: At this point, I would say this is the silver
Speaker 3: age of the eighties into the nineties was like the
Speaker 3: silver age because now we're kind of living in a
Speaker 3: post of it, and a lot of the time the
Speaker 3: things that people get excited about about it, it's really
Speaker 3: like not worth his weight in gold. I'm gonna just
Speaker 3: be honest, because reality is the level of manic depressive
Speaker 3: that it would create with the art. If the artist,
Speaker 3: if I'm like, if they're not depressed, this's just not
Speaker 3: going to be good. I'm sorry, it's just what it is,
Speaker 3: just like music. But it's the part where I'm just like,
Speaker 3: it just depends on where you're asking that from. And
Speaker 3: for me, where it starts is the realization that everything
Speaker 3: we watched in the eighties was Japanese animation.
Speaker 1: Okay, so once a year I'll allow myself to watch
Speaker 1: Tarik's Hot ninety seven free style. Yeah, because especially in
Speaker 1: the age of the podcast.
Speaker 3: Bro, Yeah, I probably need some like some magnesium. I'm
Speaker 3: probably like right on the edge of crashing out and
Speaker 3: running into the like.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. But here's the thing. I never thought
Speaker 1: I get the ideal intellectual explanation of comic history than what.
Speaker 3: You just gave me, like camal t because I'm like, a,
Speaker 3: here's the thing, man, It's like I started boxing, is it.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm gonna go slightly rogue. I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: another Jamie Lee Curtis moment where I'm gonna do this.
Speaker 1: I owe you an apology. No, I owe you an apology. Okay,
Speaker 1: so before you know, the twenty twenty thing was me
Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of issues. But I was so
Speaker 1: socially avoiding and had anxiety about just people in jail.
Speaker 1: Animal the way that you were like yo, man, like
Speaker 1: let's hang out, let's jam, and the way I would
Speaker 1: try to make matrix bullet eye, because I mean there
Speaker 1: was a whole other it was you glassper Chris dave
Speaker 1: O Man, let's say out, listen, and I would have
Speaker 1: so much literally like anxiety, like crazy.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: But thing was I think I was too, and I
Speaker 1: saw that you guys were my squad. But I just
Speaker 1: saw y'all it's so technically advanced past me that I
Speaker 1: think subconsciously I thought, nah, man, I'm gonna get I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get caught like they'll they'll, they'll, they'll find me
Speaker 1: out like everyone always lives in this whole, like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be found out as a broad thing.
Speaker 2: And marriages a lot of failed marriages based on.
Speaker 1: Find out about me. But is that way, Kama see,
Speaker 1: I know Lotus has to be feeling some sort of way.
Speaker 1: We have not spoken. We might have said one sentence
Speaker 1: to each other and I'm a massive Lotus fan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like he's like Batman. He is like literally
Speaker 2: like Batman.
Speaker 1: But I'm regretting now like I'm and now on my head,
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, like man, like all the enlightenment I
Speaker 1: could have had in twenty ten on if I just
Speaker 1: texted this motherfucker back when he texted like, I'm now
Speaker 1: regretting the friendship we should have had in the last
Speaker 1: fifteen years just based on this. Oh man, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is our first real conversation even though we see
Speaker 1: each other all the time. H And all right, so
Speaker 1: this has evolved mere talking. I'm not trying to carjack
Speaker 1: the James looking at me like this is about to
Speaker 1: turn into open my eagle thing? All right? Who are
Speaker 1: the five creatives that are your north Star?
Speaker 2: Five creatives that are my north Star?
Speaker 1: Yes, any any area doesn't have to be musicians.
Speaker 2: Okay, definitely Stanley Clark. Definitely Stanley Clark.
Speaker 1: All Right, because I'm from Philly, I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: saying this, Like what era of Stanley Clark is yours?
Speaker 1: Because wait, speaking of which, are you Team school Days
Speaker 1: or Team Town Team Town?
Speaker 4: Who?
Speaker 1: And it's tea. I know what you mean, it's team Town,
Speaker 1: the solo that you have to memorize in order to
Speaker 1: get respect.
Speaker 3: I think that any transcribing of Jocko's said knowledge or solos,
Speaker 3: it's in the transcribing the solos, it's there's a path
Speaker 3: to understanding, to get better, which is why it's so key,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like in specifically with Jocko's,
Speaker 3: Jocko reminds me of Charlie Parker because of the part
Speaker 3: where it's like the phrasing and the types of things
Speaker 3: that he would do. It's a vast comprehension of the
Speaker 3: chortal structures of things to where it's like it doesn't
Speaker 3: have to start in the same place, it doesn't have
Speaker 3: to start all these things, these tropes that we've come to.
Speaker 3: Even if you know, like like even where Frank Zappa said,
Speaker 3: you know, there's no such thing. You're not improvising, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like it's okay, Frank Beethoven, like all right, all right,
Speaker 3: we all suck, thank you, But there's a part where
Speaker 3: it's like Jocko's Like one of my favorite solos other
Speaker 3: than teen Town, actually is on Ursula Dudziak's album, where
Speaker 3: him and Michael Urbaniac in Erzla Dudziak, who's married to
Speaker 3: Michael Urbaniac. I'm pretty sure they're still married. It's his
Speaker 3: solo in the beginning of Roxanna. For me, it's not
Speaker 3: teen Town was just iconic, but his solo in the
Speaker 3: beginning of Roxanna, on on, on.
Speaker 1: On, I gotta go back to this, Okay.
Speaker 2: It's this moment, and there's a story.
Speaker 3: I think there's always even the story of him, like
Speaker 3: the way he would read and how he would turn
Speaker 3: papers upside down and read the stuff he was just like,
Speaker 3: you know, this is one of those moments and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, I never know you could do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jocko was full tilt. But if you're saying, if
Speaker 3: you're asking me like teen Town versus A school days, Yeah, Stanley.
Speaker 3: Stanley to me, in all his knowledge and everything that
Speaker 3: he was bringing into his own music is unmatched. It's
Speaker 3: unmatched again, from the Pharaoh Sanders years to the Return
Speaker 3: Forever years. This man is carrying the legacy of jazz
Speaker 3: on his back with Tony Williams and you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying and spearheading it, yes, alongside the other ones
Speaker 3: that we love. But the reality is Stanley to me
Speaker 3: Jocko's first album for Me, it has an air of
Speaker 3: this if you're putting it against those two, which are
Speaker 3: kind of like they're two different eras of their creative
Speaker 3: process and who they are. School Days for me versus
Speaker 3: Weather Reports, Team Town to me, Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 3: Stanley all day. And there's the reason why is because
Speaker 3: everything from the personnel to how Stanley presented himself in
Speaker 3: this moment, there was no guessing what type of artist
Speaker 3: Stanley was, you know, like the part where Jocko ended
Speaker 3: his solo album and him playing piano, you were.
Speaker 2: Left to be like, what the hell, what is this?
Speaker 1: What is this?
Speaker 3: And it's like it gave way to so many other things.
Speaker 3: But Stanley Stanley was like, I think that life is
Speaker 3: just a game. Changed my life. Like after there's me
Speaker 3: before hearing life is just a game. There's me my
Speaker 3: mom paying me twenty dollars to learn Stanley Clark solo really,
Speaker 3: and then there's me realizing it's him singing what he's saying,
Speaker 3: and like the whole span of the album, him doing
Speaker 3: this concerto at the end of the album, Life is
Speaker 3: just a game. It just it still haunts me to
Speaker 3: this day that helicopter sound at the end of the song.
Speaker 3: I can It's like I can see myself almost like
Speaker 3: it's a straight line to my I don't have.
Speaker 2: My memory is really blurry and fuzzy.
Speaker 1: You're totally making me recontextualize, like.
Speaker 2: Stanley's the man. He is the man.
Speaker 1: One of the coolest moments I ever saw Prince was
Speaker 1: in concert, and I believe Stanley was in the audience.
Speaker 2: That had to be funny.
Speaker 1: He got on bass and they did school days verbatim.
Speaker 2: I think I saw footage of this, did you posts?
Speaker 1: I might have, but he did it verbatim, And that's
Speaker 1: the first time I said, oh, so Prince does no
Speaker 1: ventral quism, because there's a thing where I'd ask him,
Speaker 1: like he would do a cover song but then not
Speaker 1: learn the lyrics. Yeah, And I think that was just
Speaker 1: an exercise for him to not be too derivative of
Speaker 1: someone's things, but just let it inspire enough to get
Speaker 1: into it and I do my own thing. But when
Speaker 1: he did it note for note, I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: so you can show me that you've proven Okay, I
Speaker 1: got that speak Wait, speaking of bass, the last time
Speaker 1: we played you grabbed a four string and I'd never
Speaker 1: you know, I'm thinking, oh, any bass player can get
Speaker 1: on any acts and bring the magic up. What is
Speaker 1: the muscle memory? Like when you don't have the two
Speaker 1: extra strings on the Berserker to go to Well, because
Speaker 1: I saw you literally thinking yeah, or trying to go
Speaker 1: back to Well.
Speaker 3: It's in a way, it's like, again, this is all
Speaker 3: it's a matter of knowing the neck to a major degree.
Speaker 3: So there's a part of it where I'm just kind
Speaker 3: of like, I think knowing the neck in this manner,
Speaker 3: it's just it's.
Speaker 2: Almost it's I literally it's like you.
Speaker 3: Don't ever not know those four strings, you know, so
Speaker 3: even knowing the different places that the octaves exist where
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, but it's always about a lot
Speaker 3: of the time those two other strings just offer a
Speaker 3: different type of facility that's a bit more stated than
Speaker 3: just a simple line on the tymple baseline. So a
Speaker 3: lot of time, it's more so like it's pretty fun
Speaker 3: for me, like because I already know somebody's usually like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: here's a real challenge of four string, and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's a real challenge of forestring.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like it's a part to me.
Speaker 3: That's like whatever, whatever works, buddy, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like cause it's like going into the years of the
Speaker 3: records of me playing on for a string.
Speaker 2: I don't even have to you know, I can.
Speaker 1: Is there a smaller bodied acts that can accommodate a
Speaker 1: six string or do you?
Speaker 2: I would never wish that on anybody that's that would
Speaker 2: be like.
Speaker 1: But how's your upper strength? Because like I know now,
Speaker 1: Bootsy Collins, yeah, doesn't play his bass for that very reason.
Speaker 1: He's just like, my back has killing me, and I
Speaker 1: never knew that. You guys have to deal.
Speaker 3: With I'm going to I'm like, I'm going out on them.
Speaker 3: I'm dying on this hill. Let let it disintegrate my back.
Speaker 3: Bro I'm ready for me. I just knew, like it
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. I'm gonna do that. I will do that
Speaker 3: till my dying day, Like in the manner in which
Speaker 3: I saw, you know, like when we watched Ozzie in
Speaker 3: this final performance where he's like, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: pry me from this.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: It's like the reality is a lot of the time,
Speaker 3: it's about what it is to you, and it's what
Speaker 3: it's like.
Speaker 2: It's like some Bruce Lee stuff. It's like, it is
Speaker 2: what you say it is.
Speaker 3: I don't go around telling people I've been in pain
Speaker 3: the whole time playing my hands hurt. That's just what
Speaker 3: comes with it, and it only hurts when you stop.
Speaker 3: When you lose a trusted collaboratory.
Speaker 1: How do you cope through that? Because I happen to
Speaker 1: see you, like the night before that, I knew D'Angel
Speaker 1: was going to you, know, so I was like, really
Speaker 1: my feelings and I know that you you want on
Speaker 1: a record a lot talking about like Max passing and
Speaker 1: how that affect your life and everything, and like I again,
Speaker 1: I so wanted to come up to you to be like,
Speaker 1: how do you cope with the shit? Because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to get to a place where I like start
Speaker 1: and I don't mean self harming like whatever. I mean
Speaker 1: like me, I could binge it or whatever, like anything
Speaker 1: that puts me in danger. How did like, how did
Speaker 1: you allow yourself to have that grief as far as
Speaker 1: like not affecting your creativity or oh it did it
Speaker 1: affect your creativity?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh man?
Speaker 3: Yeah, losing Mac was very complicated, very complicated to navigate,
Speaker 3: thank God, I had Flying Lotus there with me in
Speaker 3: that moment, because it's like he kept me moving forward
Speaker 3: until we both until we both till fail. It was
Speaker 3: like we were working on the again. This was it
Speaker 3: was very weirdly like it became this dark pit of
Speaker 3: a hole in my life that was like it was
Speaker 3: just like it felt like, uh, I've had a few
Speaker 3: moments with you know, like from Austin to Meg to
Speaker 3: you know, Zaane, to my few friends that were like
Speaker 3: that crossed over in this manner, But this moment was
Speaker 3: so deafening. And it wasn't just because like it was
Speaker 3: there was my Mac that was dying, and then it
Speaker 3: was the world's Mac that was dying, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean there's a part where I uh, for a long time,
Speaker 3: if I had to compare it to something, it was
Speaker 3: like somebody through a grid made next to me and
Speaker 3: I couldn't see straight for years and still I'm still
Speaker 3: you know, you go, it goes in waves.
Speaker 1: How hard was it to release this song into the
Speaker 1: world and not hang on to it for like yourself.
Speaker 3: The reason why this felt like such the right thing
Speaker 3: to do with this is because of what it did
Speaker 3: for me when I would hear it, I think that
Speaker 3: in so many places that the trauma.
Speaker 2: Could like rest, which it does.
Speaker 3: There's a part where when I heard this song, it's
Speaker 3: like the thing where we were talking about Stanley Clark
Speaker 3: with life is just a game. When I hear this song,
Speaker 3: I can only see the good that we did. I
Speaker 3: can only see the person he really was. I would
Speaker 3: never cry hearing this. That song, to me is the Mac.
Speaker 1: That I knew outside she knows too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like that was like I see that and the
Speaker 3: everything from his whimsical silliness and even the message of it,
Speaker 3: and like knowing the things around and what this was
Speaker 3: for us, and like I'd see it and I would
Speaker 3: see the one time I would wear a suit. We
Speaker 3: always joked about the video. We would always be like, man,
Speaker 3: how are we gonna shoot this video? And I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, we get some get some ultra Goliath glasses
Speaker 3: with like some tuxedos with the frilly shirts, and you
Speaker 3: do the guitar and I got the bass, and you know,
Speaker 3: we just you know, being like you know, somewhere between
Speaker 3: David Ruffin and the Temptations and just like you know,
Speaker 3: the It was really like this thing where we were like,
Speaker 3: oh man, this is like this was like this Mac again.
Speaker 3: I always I've compared him to like a one man
Speaker 3: rat pack, you know what I mean, Like he was
Speaker 3: the embodiment of cool with this stuff. So even in
Speaker 3: those in this moment, for me, I only saw me
Speaker 3: and him in the suits with the glasses, with the
Speaker 3: bass and the guitar, just talking shit, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, I thank you and I apologize for this long
Speaker 1: overdue conversation. Oh man, I'm a massive, massive, massive fan
Speaker 1: of your work, so.
Speaker 2: Quest, I've been in this my whole life. I've been
Speaker 2: a fan of your work.
Speaker 1: Well, I thank you for that, man, and hopefully this
Speaker 1: will be the first of many conversations. I'm man Undercat,
Speaker 1: thank you. This was the Quest Love Show, Thundercat our guest,
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