WEBVTT - Thundercat

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<v Speaker 1>The Quest Left Show is a production of iHeart Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, put them on the table. Do you do what?

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<v Speaker 2>You make more sense? Right, because we're going to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna talk.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, we're going to playing our spot nay Man a

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<v Speaker 1>year tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here, your name, I'm leaving. I'm leaving.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, where are you? Next? Thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Next is the Australia, New Zealand and Tokyo in Japan.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing the Ronnie Foster.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm leaving on a midnight playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah. Okay, wait are we on? I'm sorry?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, god I did that like Walter Crime. Good evening.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So once again, ladies and gentlemen, you are

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<v Speaker 1>tuned into the platform that apparently is a haven for

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<v Speaker 1>bass players. Yes, we've had so far, James Alexander, we

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<v Speaker 1>have flee. You had none but coin words for our

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<v Speaker 1>guest today. Of course, the Mono Neon episode, which we

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<v Speaker 1>guys were highly happy with today, is no exception. I

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<v Speaker 1>got to get a drummer on here. Eventually, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>reductive to just refer to our guests as a bass

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<v Speaker 1>player or a Grammy winning bass player. I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the proper superlative that could accurately describe our guest today.

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<v Speaker 1>He's definitely one of the quirkiest I mean, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>these are things you've heard about him. Quirky, genius, very distinctive,

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<v Speaker 1>very original. I love his work because it's full of

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<v Speaker 1>truth and humor and pain. It scares me to here

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<v Speaker 1>is music because these are often the thoughts that are

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<v Speaker 1>in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So as we celebrate Black Music Month, we at

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<v Speaker 1>QLs here are happy to welcome the one of the

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<v Speaker 1>only Thundercat to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, bro Man, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, number one, you got to show me the chain.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what's the Doom?

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<v Speaker 3>I wore these because I wanted to get a chance

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to you about him.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a very very special story.

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<v Speaker 1>He hold it up to our you know, two of them.

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<v Speaker 3>If you look on the inside, there's an inscription too,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a wow. This was These were created by Han Soolo,

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<v Speaker 3>who was the person who created the actual Doom mask.

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<v Speaker 3>And on the inside it says here lies Victor von

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<v Speaker 3>Doom aka Daniel du Malay rip. Nineteen seventy one. There's

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<v Speaker 3>a long there's a story behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the story.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so there is there's a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>history between me Flying Lotus Doom, you know, working on

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of things together, this specific moment where these

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<v Speaker 3>come about or these take effect. They were like some

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<v Speaker 3>things I think that were released or Adult Swim, and

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<v Speaker 3>it was like one song was called Between Friends and

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<v Speaker 3>Between Villains and it was kind of like Captain Murphy

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<v Speaker 3>Flying Lotus. So it's like it's kind of like you

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<v Speaker 3>know him, you know, spitting and like it's one of

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<v Speaker 3>those moments where from that fast forward there's so many

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like the legendary stories of how he really

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<v Speaker 3>was the villain slash, you know, be.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing all kinds of stuff like, man, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>is that him? You know?

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<v Speaker 3>No, these two take place after he's moved back to

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<v Speaker 3>London and I think they, oh, yeah, I'm forgetting. One

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<v Speaker 3>of the songs that was also leading to this, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a song called lunch Break on Grand Theft Auto five

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<v Speaker 3>where this was a moment of Doom also like kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, getting back into doing stuff. So it's

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<v Speaker 3>like it was kind of like the idea or notion

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<v Speaker 3>of getting getting a chance to work more with him

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<v Speaker 3>was like really you know, Oh my god, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's exciting, it's you know, and.

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<v Speaker 1>How many songs were completed at all?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean this, I feel like Flying Lotus would know more,

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<v Speaker 3>bit you know, but I know that there was a couple,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and but nonetheless, i'd me again, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I have a doom tattoo, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like again, come into the knowledge of doom is such

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<v Speaker 3>like a spiritual experience, you know what I mean, It's

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<v Speaker 3>like for anybody. And I think that's kind of why

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<v Speaker 3>the mass kind of even just resonates with people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I sort of experienced this firsthand when Kolkeith hmm,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he came to me as you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>fourth of the ultraman Negin seas and then he had

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<v Speaker 1>this whole nother afterlife now doomed to me like because

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<v Speaker 1>of my age, I guess or my experience, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and on third base in the gas face like he's

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<v Speaker 1>always been zev love X to me. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>to get accustomed to doom because they're so radically different, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>than just your traditional break pieces and stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to ask people that worship at the altar

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<v Speaker 1>of doom, like is there ever any curiosity into his

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<v Speaker 1>past his Clark Kent period?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>And you got to For me, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>I would have to go backwards because it's like I

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<v Speaker 3>removed by about ten, twelve, fifteen years and I would

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<v Speaker 3>come to discover that stuff later on before I.

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<v Speaker 2>After right, Okay, that's why I want to know the

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<v Speaker 2>osmosis thing. For me, I got it. And again I come.

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<v Speaker 3>I come from a history that with the dudes that

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<v Speaker 3>Sara where it was like do your history, No, no,

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<v Speaker 3>go backwards and know where things came from and leading

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<v Speaker 3>to these chains being made. There's like this him expression

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<v Speaker 3>to want to work more, but I would have to

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<v Speaker 3>go meet him in London because you know.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't wasn't allowed by states.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, good Lord, that did not age well right now.

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<v Speaker 3>But we were like, nah, whatever it takes, let's it

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<v Speaker 3>don't matter. I'm pulling up. I was like I saw

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<v Speaker 3>the goal, I saw the you know, the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know where we were going and what could have been man,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god. Now I'm thinking about it, like, ah,

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<v Speaker 3>what could have been lying Lotus? And you know it's

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<v Speaker 3>we were building a nuke, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I always at least in my head, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>weird for me to ask a question because like I know,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm playing the role of journalists and you're the artist.

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<v Speaker 1>But also forget that in my day job, i'm one

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<v Speaker 1>of you. However, when you have an entire ecosystem. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this in the most lovinglessiest way. Ever, when

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<v Speaker 1>I say batch it crazy, I just meant like eccentric.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you know, we got it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like someone has to play the straight person, do they not?

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<v Speaker 2>Or like, look, there's the years of who.

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<v Speaker 1>Wants to be in the alpha in a room, like

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<v Speaker 1>in this situation, if it is Lotus, who's the alpha

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<v Speaker 1>and who's someone has to be fifty one forty nine?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they not?

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<v Speaker 2>Or m speaking of it in that terminology? I think

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<v Speaker 2>no way.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a place that exists in the heart of knowing

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<v Speaker 3>that the value of it is worth its ability to

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<v Speaker 3>figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's almost as.

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<v Speaker 1>If being the president and if it works, it works exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So like even when me and Lotus would look at

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<v Speaker 3>each other, it would be like this, it was like

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<v Speaker 3>it was like Star Trek.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like make it so it was like here we.

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<v Speaker 1>Go, all right, see this is why I have this platform.

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<v Speaker 1>I think because of my drill Sergeant Dad like has

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<v Speaker 1>made me into such a control freak that I'm almost

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to have that level. I mean, I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>could say I might have had it with D'Angelo, but

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<v Speaker 1>even with him, by like month one, I think I

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<v Speaker 1>was operating in fear.

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<v Speaker 2>Hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Because label people will drop by and you know, mind

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<v Speaker 1>you this is ninety six ninety seven, so everything's like

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<v Speaker 1>sexy and shiny, and yeah, you know they're thinking he's

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<v Speaker 1>going to come up with like one twelve's only you.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right and jeans with a big belt buckle and right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, by like the first year, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh god, they're gonna blame me. They're gonna blame me

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<v Speaker 1>for this, blame me for this. So I just was

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<v Speaker 1>never in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Place that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I would try to reel it backwards like the crazier

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<v Speaker 1>they got right, So right, okay, But I always wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know that, what is your first musical memory in life?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh there's something that did pop in my mind and

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<v Speaker 3>I vaguely remember it. I don't know if this was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is from a different era of like

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know I'm remembering it wrong, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 3>but I remember. I think this was in Detroit with

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<v Speaker 3>my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you born.

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<v Speaker 3>I was born here in La Okay, raised in Compton

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<v Speaker 3>for maybe the first ten some odd years of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Four Oh yeah, oh yeah, I'm from Compton, like my

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<v Speaker 3>dad's really from Compton. Like my dad is like Compton Compton,

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<v Speaker 3>went to like Centennial and then when he when the family,

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<v Speaker 3>my dad married my mom and she was from Inkster, Michigan, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She moved to La to be with my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>And we at the in in that first few years

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<v Speaker 3>of life. I would I think they were maybe trying

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<v Speaker 3>to figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Out where we were going to go or.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember my mom always always make sure to

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<v Speaker 3>try to remind me of things, like you know, growing

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<v Speaker 3>up at church out there, or like I don't remember anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, you know, like drawing the Ninja turtles and

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<v Speaker 3>getting in trouble falling off a swing. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>got in trouble for flashing my neighbor. Like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>I remember it's snowing a lot. I think I got

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<v Speaker 3>remember cat poop in Compton. No, no, no, this is

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<v Speaker 3>in Detroit, Detroy. No, not snowing in Compton.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I was like, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>From what I can remember growing up in Compton, I

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<v Speaker 3>just remember my grandma's back door that led to the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I got in trouble. There a lot you

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<v Speaker 2>got in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would imagine.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's a couple of there's like a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of moments that I can see in my brain, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I think there was a garage, and I think there

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<v Speaker 3>was like this brick wall around our house that was

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<v Speaker 3>blocking us off from the main road in the freeway

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<v Speaker 3>and everything, but it was like concrete. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>remember standing face in the corner with like a voice

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<v Speaker 3>changing helmet in my like my toy guitar. That was

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<v Speaker 3>like but but it wasn't like because I was in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think I liked the corner and I liked

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<v Speaker 3>how I was, like it made my voice sound, so

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<v Speaker 3>I would like base the corner and like play with

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<v Speaker 3>the toy. I don't know, maybe that sounds weird. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>pretty sure it does. But yeah, no, that's but it

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<v Speaker 3>was lived between Compton and for a small stint of

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<v Speaker 3>time Inkster, Michigan. Okay, and my first memory would be

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<v Speaker 3>singing this song. I don't know it was for church

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<v Speaker 3>or something with my brother where it was like I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Take my life and let it be constantly created.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't remember what it was for. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like there was a video and that was the only

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<v Speaker 3>time I can remember wearing a suit.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I hated it ever in life.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that was the I feel like I

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<v Speaker 3>remember it was like my mom had us in it

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<v Speaker 3>was like Christmas suits. I had like a green suit

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<v Speaker 3>with a bolo tie. It was like a seersucker and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that was my I was like, never again and.

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<v Speaker 1>You stuck to that. Yeah. Okay. So when you said

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<v Speaker 1>you're from Compton, and I'm certain that that's maybe ninety

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<v Speaker 1>percent of your reactions, But I also realized that my

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<v Speaker 1>reactions are based on what I hear from the news. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we live where we live, I'm now questioning everything

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<v Speaker 1>I hear. So I will ask you, what do we

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<v Speaker 1>get wrong about Compton? And was that just marketing to

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<v Speaker 1>sell some records? Because the thing is is that my

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<v Speaker 1>mother's side of the family left Pittsburgh. Half of them

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<v Speaker 1>moved to Alta Dina, and I think my grandmother got

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<v Speaker 1>a house in Compton. So apparently I lived in Compton

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<v Speaker 1>in like for one year in nineteen seventy three while

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<v Speaker 1>my parents went to make a record, right, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have slight memories of life childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wouldn't act. It wouldn't act.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean it wasn't just the marketing, like

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<v Speaker 1>what was your Compton neighborhood like, or more specifically, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were this quirky, eccentric kid or this person that

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<v Speaker 1>you are, now, how do you navigate that in your childhood?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was that person in my neighborhood. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>by the age of five, my parents were wise enough.

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<v Speaker 2>To be like, we got to move.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you no, Like you're staying in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>They wouldn't let me go outside. They just thought, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're way too vulnerable, you'll get beat up every day.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just lived in the house with records.

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of intersectional points academically to socially that

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<v Speaker 3>existed for the places that we were growing up and

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<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. And I got two versions of the

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<v Speaker 3>story for what this is because there is the person

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<v Speaker 3>that's got their head in the clouds, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>That has to be kind of like all right, Stephen,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And that takes place a little bit later

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<v Speaker 3>in life, like from maybe thirteen up. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>on meeting Reggie Andrews. But my name I always hear

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<v Speaker 3>the most.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he is, Uh, was Reggie Andrews specifically responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>every musician? Yes, And because I hear the name Reggie

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<v Speaker 1>Andrews of course of the Dazz Band.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like it's almost like a sitcom because like

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<v Speaker 3>for me, he's just the teacher, mister Andrews. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, you know, it's bald, big mustache, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and like that old like it's almost like a vigner

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<v Speaker 3>and a TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like you and me and my heyday.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when I only saw a video him in

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<v Speaker 3>the Dazz Band on the funeral and my jaw was

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<v Speaker 3>on the floor, I was like.

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<v Speaker 1>So you didn't know let it whip or let it

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<v Speaker 1>or enjoy stick or no.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew all the songs. I knew all the songs.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew everything, but again esthetically or seeing it in action,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know what that was. I was like I

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<v Speaker 3>always would hear, like mister Andrews was like, oh earth

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<v Speaker 3>wind and fire level, Like I would be like, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean the guy that wears the card again with the

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<v Speaker 3>with I'm like, nah, I know, I just don't see it.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I saw it and I was like, if

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<v Speaker 3>that's what he was instilling in me, Oh yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>I'm there it is.

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<v Speaker 1>How long did he teach at the school? Since it

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<v Speaker 1>was built from the ground up.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a picture of him at the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 3>school getting built.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, with a silver shovel. Who else of note went there?

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<v Speaker 1>Because literally, you gotta be the twentieth person. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's name.

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<v Speaker 3>And the far side Patrese Terrace Martin, I mean off

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<v Speaker 3>the top. That's just the first thing there's So there's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. My teacher went to fire a horn section

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<v Speaker 3>of Gerald Albright.

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<v Speaker 2>Good lord? What was he teaching us?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, good lord?

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<v Speaker 2>What didn't he teach us? He taught us how to

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<v Speaker 2>be men.

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<v Speaker 3>We used to have a program called Men of Life

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<v Speaker 3>delegation Tyres Gibson too. You know, my brother, my older brother,

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<v Speaker 3>Ronald good lord. But it's like he taught us how

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<v Speaker 3>to survive, like for real, for real, like he taught

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<v Speaker 3>us how to survive, Like our school was central to

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<v Speaker 3>multiple gang territories.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you avoid that?

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Andrews will whoop your asss Like he was that teacher.

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<v Speaker 3>He'd be like, don't come in here with that, and

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<v Speaker 3>he would drop kick you in the hallway. For me

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<v Speaker 3>and my brother, he was like a second father. My

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<v Speaker 3>dad had known Reggie maybe since high school to college,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it was one of those things where like

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<v Speaker 3>mister Andrews was like, when they're of age, you know

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<v Speaker 3>where to send him because he started teaching early on,

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<v Speaker 3>I think. But in the bigger scheme of the experience

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<v Speaker 3>of growing up, we grew up on the line of

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<v Speaker 3>the line between Compton and Watts which was separated by

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<v Speaker 3>the one oh five Freeway.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's like I don't know, like we kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of slowly migrated further north, like landing in West Adams

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<v Speaker 3>by the time I was about thirteen fourteen, which is

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<v Speaker 3>where this all kind of meets in a different place.

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<v Speaker 3>Me in middle school, I would get picked up. We

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<v Speaker 3>were going to go to lack High School. I wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Fairfax for illustration, like you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>was like I knew Tom McFarland went there. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be I want to be an illustrator,

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<v Speaker 3>and my dad was like, absolutely not. Why because I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if there's like an undertone of like, you know, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>you will you will definitely be broke for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of your life. I don't know what that was, but

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<v Speaker 3>it was also like the wanting to be the illustrator

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<v Speaker 3>versus mister Andrews being at the helm. I think it

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<v Speaker 3>was my dad knew the importance of us being with

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<v Speaker 3>Reggie Andrews.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this him?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's Don Cornelius.

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<v Speaker 1>Now come on, now, I know Don Cornelius.

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<v Speaker 4>Is him?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that ain't him.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm on an old episode of Soul Train.

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<v Speaker 3>He played keyboards, So if he is on soul Train,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna blow my mind too.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's definitely want the dash man's on Soul Train.

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<v Speaker 3>That looked like, no, no, that's not him. No, I

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<v Speaker 3>may not see man. I can't I see a like.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I can recognize people's faces, but mister Andrews

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<v Speaker 3>with a Jerry Crow Is is that him right there.

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<v Speaker 2>On the far left? That's him on the far left?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that right there? That just pointed to the drummer. Yes, wait, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that can't be Reggie Andrews. No, hold on, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>whole lot of members.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on, they've had members throughout the Yeah, that looked.

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<v Speaker 2>That looked a little bit like need to me. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like they had the softness of the face.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, I definitely know one of these

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<v Speaker 1>catch is Reggie Andrews.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I'm saying, I was like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>all I see is a handlebar mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't know how long he's had to

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<v Speaker 2>handle I now.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there should be a documentary short on

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<v Speaker 1>him on his mustache or just yes on the mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What did your parents do? I know your dad was

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<v Speaker 1>a musician.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my dad both musicians. My mom used to play

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<v Speaker 3>in the Philharmonic. My dad what did he play? Flute,

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<v Speaker 3>floutist and a bit of percussion, and my U show

0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.520
<v Speaker 3>again also played grew up playing at Crenshaw Christian Center

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<v Speaker 3>and all that, And then my dad was more of

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<v Speaker 3>a road traveled musician who worked with many people like

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<v Speaker 3>Jody Wattley. Again, I was every you know, As I

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<v Speaker 3>get older, I just, you know, sometimes I don't remember

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<v Speaker 3>every last thing. But I know my dad was a

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<v Speaker 3>very working musician and then also kind of has been

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<v Speaker 3>working at Disneyland for the majority of my life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Pops is a real He's a g man. Really, he

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<v Speaker 3>is a g I'll never forget the day he got

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<v Speaker 3>the job working at Disneyland.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a as a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like, I don't have too many core memories because

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<v Speaker 3>it's all washed over and all the things that we're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about, But I do remember seeing my dad in

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<v Speaker 3>a in a grass skirt playing in the Lion King

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<v Speaker 3>Parade or it was one of the it was like, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>A core memory. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember he was blushing, he was trying to play

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<v Speaker 3>and he was playing.

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<v Speaker 2>He was playing Jim Bay.

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<v Speaker 3>Really yeah, yeah, he was playing Jim Bay and he

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<v Speaker 3>was walking down and he was like you saw us,

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<v Speaker 3>like waving and stuff, and he's like, okay, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget it saved our lives, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So would you often go to Disneyland like Rucini? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like this explains everything. Yeah, Like I used to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out access to Disneyland this much. Then that means I

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<v Speaker 1>would hang out in Tomorrowland.

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<v Speaker 3>I would hang out in tomorrow Land and play video

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<v Speaker 3>games and go see Captain the Yoh like I would.

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<v Speaker 3>Just there was a small window because right as a kid,

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<v Speaker 3>that's when all this stuff started happening, like right, which

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<v Speaker 3>we you know, here we go, you know, God bless

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<v Speaker 3>his heart. But I remember, I remember just going and

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<v Speaker 3>being like I want to get on any right, let

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<v Speaker 3>me just go hang out in the arcade. It was

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<v Speaker 3>like Beavis and butt heead, you know, like Zach and Cody,

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<v Speaker 3>but not no camera.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the age difference between you and your brother?

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<v Speaker 2>Two years?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, the older brother, and then there's ten is ten

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<v Speaker 3>the other way, so Jamial is ten years younger and

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<v Speaker 3>Ronald is two years older.

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald of course is monster drummer and you're young. What

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<v Speaker 1>does he play?

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<v Speaker 3>Pianist? Keyboards and piano. He used to play accordion. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>my little brother used to play accordion.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's instantly gonna like, how come this hasn't happened yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's my fault. I need I need to go

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<v Speaker 3>ahead and get him that accordion. I'm like, bro, there's

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<v Speaker 3>not too many black dudes that play accordion, Bro, you

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<v Speaker 3>need to lock in.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god to do that. One of my most

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<v Speaker 1>treasure moments at the Tonight Show is us teaching speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of which I think when doom passed or I'm forgetting

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<v Speaker 1>when we did this, but we made where Al Jankovic

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<v Speaker 1>learn accordion. Yeah, and we did it on the Tonight Show.

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<v Speaker 3>It's for the culture, bro, like it's jamil I'm saying, bro, like,

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<v Speaker 3>pick the accordion back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude, oh my god, I will use him instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Look in Brazilian music, Savuka.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it's important, man, monster Like imagine like keeping that

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<v Speaker 3>thing on you, you like, like, oh, what's pop it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Hold on? Let me just are y'all jamming right now?

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on?

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<v Speaker 1>Coming from you guys? Lineage that would make absolute sense

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<v Speaker 1>to me.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember your first concert ever? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I do, I think I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was it?

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<v Speaker 3>It was Chucky Booker and Janet Jackson on the Rhythm

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<v Speaker 3>Nation tour and I wore a Ghostbusters outfit and I

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<v Speaker 3>remember Jane rubbing her booty and my mom trying to

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<v Speaker 3>cover my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>What.

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<v Speaker 3>I never forgot that And that was the day I

0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.400
<v Speaker 3>fell in love with the tune Turned away too.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my that's still my jents to this date.

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<v Speaker 1>That does inform Yes, plane, if you were born twenty

0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.600
<v Speaker 1>years earlier, I can see those are your court structures.

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<v Speaker 2>I jam chucky.

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<v Speaker 1>See the novice would just say like, oh, George Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>George Duke example all day now, I.

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<v Speaker 2>See is deep in the DNA.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's just when's the first time that you

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<v Speaker 1>got on a stage to perform for an audience, your

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<v Speaker 1>first audience, your first performance.

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<v Speaker 2>First performance.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question because there's again I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if it's uh, you know, when you're growing up in church.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's I would consider that performing

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<v Speaker 3>for me because it's like I would always like to

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<v Speaker 3>consider the first performance the first time somebody paid me,

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<v Speaker 3>because everything else is just like everything else is like

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<v Speaker 3>what's your backup plan?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean like, okay, so I don't count church either,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't count playing with my dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Even That's what I'm saying, because it's like, it's not

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:48.600
<v Speaker 3>it's it's part of the so the frech non family lineage,

0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:55.359
<v Speaker 3>non spiritual community gathering, something that you yourself created or

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<v Speaker 3>you got hired for.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, like there were no bands in the school that

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<v Speaker 1>mister Andrews organized, you guys at or.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes there was, and again I really think about this.

0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.680
<v Speaker 3>I know Fernando Pullam, who was also another one of

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<v Speaker 3>the music educators in Los Angeles, is of great importance

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<v Speaker 3>that you know, with the programming and stuff like that

0:23:14.000 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 3>for kids and music. But at the time that we

0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 3>grew up to meet the Terraces, Ronalds, the Kumasies, we

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.480
<v Speaker 3>had a lot of like care or a lot of

0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.360
<v Speaker 3>like like the like Nissan and the the Loniest Monk Institute.

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 3>They would come together, the Playboy Jazz Institution, they would

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 3>come together and find things and have like this. Mister

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Andrews had a band called Multi School Jazz Band, and

0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.520
<v Speaker 3>it was like if you could play, it's not about

0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.800
<v Speaker 3>how well, it's like if you can play, bring bring

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 3>your kids here to.

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Lock High School. You had to drive the Lock High School, which.

0:23:46.640 --> 0:23:49.960
<v Speaker 3>Was definitely like a challenge if you if you come

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 3>come through, if you dare after school, you know, hey man,

0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:56.720
<v Speaker 3>it's it's But at the same time, driving down Say

0:23:56.760 --> 0:24:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Street again, those friendships and the people that we meet

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.119
<v Speaker 3>there are still our lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to the sto you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So the musicians that I grew up with. And

0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:13.479
<v Speaker 1>here's the thing that most people can't not fathom or whatever.

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.720
<v Speaker 1>But I mean there's a period where I will say,

0:24:17.400 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 1>if you are a teenager or in your mid twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>especially in the sixties, and then you had this debaucherous

0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:32.640
<v Speaker 1>hedonism seventies sort of pushback existence, like everything that all

0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:36.399
<v Speaker 1>the ideas of the sixties just sort of whittled away,

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>and then people just went batshit crazy in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the thing, though, you know, starting with like

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan's America, like the original one point o version

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:55.840
<v Speaker 1>of Make America Great Again, suddenly turned this crazy deluge

0:24:55.960 --> 0:25:00.200
<v Speaker 1>of just conservatism, and so I kind of grew up

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:03.719
<v Speaker 1>like my parents were super hip. Yeah, but then around

0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>eighty one, suddenly we're a Christian household and you can't

0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>listen to secular music. Yeah, I have prince punishments all

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:12.440
<v Speaker 1>the time.

0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.159
<v Speaker 2>Prince punishments. That's crazy. So I mean he was in

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:16.080
<v Speaker 2>his draws though.

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I was like, the education was worth getting

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>my ass enrichment, yeah, exactly. However, I will say that

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a lot of my I will say ninety five percent

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:32.119
<v Speaker 1>of my music community suddenly had no references, Like I

0:25:32.200 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 1>defiantly listened to Prince so I can get that musical education,

0:25:35.480 --> 0:25:40.199
<v Speaker 1>whereas the closest they might listen to Stevie Wonder, but

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.639
<v Speaker 1>most of the time they're listening to commissioned.

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and commissions and transfer commission Yeah. Like but Amy Grant, right, yeah,

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, look, look knowing, No.

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<v Speaker 1>My whole point is because I grew up in a

0:25:56.640 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 1>household knowing what bands were and who the idol That

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 1>stuff just whittled out in the eighties and by the

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:09.480
<v Speaker 1>nineties is almost like nonexistent. If he's preparing you to

0:26:09.520 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>be musicians, who are you, guys looking up to when

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:17.840
<v Speaker 1>all that's left is Tony Tony Tony and.

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Men conditions and condition.

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:21.879
<v Speaker 1>By the time I got a record deal, there was

0:26:21.920 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>like seven bands left, right, So who are you idolizing?

0:26:25.080 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Like I see myself in that? Or is this how

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>you wind up in suicidal tendencies?

0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 3>This is man that No, that moment, that what you're

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 3>saying right now, that's a real thing. I felt like

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 3>in a way, we had to feed off of each other, gotcha,

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 3>So growing up and realizing like I mean, it's like

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 3>it was almost like the movie Kids.

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like we made our own rule.

0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Goddamn.

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We would be outside me.

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Me, me, Kamasi, Austin Peralta, like Zane Musa, like Ryan Porter,

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.040
<v Speaker 3>Ronald we would just be.

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:04.040
<v Speaker 2>We would be doing whatever felt right to us.

0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.560
<v Speaker 3>There's that and then the reality of there's this big

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 3>gap in bridge that doesn't exist that you're talking about

0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 3>that nobody walked us across. But like growing up with

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 3>Reggie Andrews and my father and my mom who it

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 3>wasn't all just like Christian music. Growing up, it was

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.720
<v Speaker 3>like we were listening to Tony Williams in Stanley Clark

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 3>and George Duke and I'm sorry, but that's what we

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:31.400
<v Speaker 3>were listening to. There was no mistaking where to go.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:34.399
<v Speaker 3>So like I would be surprised growing up, even as

0:27:34.400 --> 0:27:36.639
<v Speaker 3>we're talking about this gap between like the bands and

0:27:36.680 --> 0:27:38.480
<v Speaker 3>all these things like this and then what the eighties

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 3>were into the nineties, there was like I would be

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.359
<v Speaker 3>surprised because even for me, like growing up with the

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 3>household full of drummers, the stuff like just using like

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 3>like using Tony Williams as an example, the amount of

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 3>my friends that didn't know who Tony Williams was growing up.

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.399
<v Speaker 3>It was almost like me and my brother or my

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 3>brothers were speaking like an alienanguage a lot of time.

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.760
<v Speaker 3>And it's like if growing up with Miles and Tony

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:08.440
<v Speaker 3>and John McLoughlin and and Alan Holsworth as preference, that

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:11.280
<v Speaker 3>wasn't It was mostly a lot of gospel musicians that

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 3>were like inspiring more musicians growing up again, which is

0:28:15.040 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 3>where a lot of it would come out of. But

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 3>we were like we knew everything from the Manhattan Transfer

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 3>to John McLoughlin. There was no and then and then

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 3>and then you got Reggie Andrews being like, it's what

0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 3>it's what you make it. Mister Andrews taught us it's

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 3>what you make it. So we would be outside. We

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 3>would like Kamasi got Kamasi got a Mustang like it

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 3>was like a seventy six months like not not.

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 2>A good one, like one of the ones that have

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>break down.

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.880
<v Speaker 3>If we would have hit it, even getting rear ended,

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 3>we all would have been buried in the car. It

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 3>was like we had the drums and then the upright

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 3>bass and the Kamasi with the saxophones.

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 2>I'd be in the.

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Back fit like a jinger piece and because Ronald always

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 3>had the front seat, so I'll be wrapped around the

0:28:55.200 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 3>bass drum in the bass and we would get to

0:28:57.480 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 3>the gig like man, they gonna pay us, and we also,

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.719
<v Speaker 3>okay eat and they'd be like, man, this was This

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 3>was one of the joys of growing up, because you know,

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 3>people would hire us to do stuff and it'd be

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:09.640
<v Speaker 3>funny as hell because we get to somebody's thing. You

0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:11.239
<v Speaker 3>know people, you know, people do the thing where they

0:29:11.240 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 3>hold the phone up and request something from the DJ

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:14.600
<v Speaker 3>and even shut your answer.

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 2>People will walk up.

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 3>And be like, hey, hey, making y'all play some of Yeah,

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.240
<v Speaker 3>making y'all play some I don't know. It's like, you know,

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.880
<v Speaker 3>play some vibe music and COMMASI be like yeah yeah,

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.320
<v Speaker 3>and you turn to us and be like, you're gonna

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.080
<v Speaker 3>take play the message. Next step giant steps right and

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:33.320
<v Speaker 3>like what you said you want you wanted to hear

0:29:33.400 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 3>some some prints? Okay, hold on, I'll be right, yeah,

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 3>I'll be right back.

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<v Speaker 1>Just full till were you proficient in the fake book?

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's what we lived our lives by growing up.

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:48.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I explained this some previous episodes. If you're

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>learning to play jazz, we refer to the we refer

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 1>to the fake book is basically the Wikipedia of probably

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the five hundred as standards that you have to know.

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 3>You just got to know autumn leaves and it's just chords.

0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:07.719
<v Speaker 3>So and if you don't, this is the book. This

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:10.920
<v Speaker 3>is the You're going to make it easy for every.

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Jazz song you need to know before you even call

0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:15.280
<v Speaker 1>yourself a jazz musician. You called it fake book, which

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.920
<v Speaker 1>was the opposite of I guess there's a real book counterpart.

0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>But there were better there was better songs in the

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.160
<v Speaker 1>fake book. R Yeah, yeah, I got that. Wait, first

0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 1>of all, how did the bass call you? Why did

0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>you choose the bass.

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 2>Against the bass gets no attention?

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 3>It's not supposed to or something, right, But yeah, I

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 3>mean unless you're Charles Mingus and you punch somebody and

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know, you know you got you got.

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Like there's a slippery slope for said bass players.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Besides Larry Graham, like I really don't know. I mean

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe Raphael, but even that, Rafael's usually one third of

0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>another entity. Yeah, Like you don't see you know the

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>saxophone is supposed to be the yeah or the guitar.

0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:55.800
<v Speaker 3>I always said the horn player line is funny for

0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 3>me because it's like you got two modes with horn player.

0:30:58.240 --> 0:31:00.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like, if you not it's this is I mean,

0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:02.320
<v Speaker 3>no offense to anybody, but I always say it's the

0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:04.120
<v Speaker 3>line between Kenny g and Kenny Garrett.

0:31:05.120 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what his email is? What's his Ny

0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Garrett's email? What's Oh I can't see it? Yeah, yeah,

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to dox you. Well, I guess old

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>people are embarrassed and having a certain three letters after Yeah,

0:31:20.240 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 1>but it's his is no, no, no, no, you see it?

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>You see it?

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, so yeah, he used to love let me know.

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like you know, like Tim Capello, the guy from

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 3>the Lost Boys movie where he had his shirt off

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 3>with the saxophone that used to like.

0:31:38.440 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Haunt that haunted me. Yes, that was I mean the

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 2>song again. I love the Lost Boys. I love the song.

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 3>But I remember I'll being like, man, playing saxophone with

0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 3>your shirt off is crazy work. And then I got

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Kamasi and we were on the other side listening to

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Ordain at Coleman and and you know what I'm saying,

0:31:52.520 --> 0:31:55.000
<v Speaker 3>like and Coltrane and all this and Sonny Rollins and

0:31:55.040 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 3>like you know, and I'm sitting here like a.

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Kids into free jazz.

0:32:00.240 --> 0:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, we were going turbo as kids.

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 4>Me.

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:06.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, seriously, like Pharaoh Sanders. We were on

0:32:06.080 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 3>the other side of the spectrum. And literally and figuratively,

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 3>Camassi we would just he would do, he would be

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 3>at school, and then afterwards we play a little bit

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:18.040
<v Speaker 3>of PlayStation. But the rest of the night we were

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 3>running the streets, playing these standards and playing original tunes.

0:32:22.200 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 3>And again, I am so grateful for the years that

0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:29.400
<v Speaker 3>we spent doing that, you know, like the part where

0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.400
<v Speaker 3>we got to grow together. Because I'm looking at the

0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 3>landscape of things now. Everything it doesn't go anywhere, it

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 3>just changes shape. Sometimes I look at it and I

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 3>look at the type of men that we've become, and

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.880
<v Speaker 3>I go wow. And I look to the generations underneath us,

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 3>and it feels like they were just throwing off a

0:32:43.880 --> 0:32:45.360
<v Speaker 3>cliff when it comes to stuff in that. But then

0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, I go, as it should be,

0:32:48.320 --> 0:32:50.479
<v Speaker 3>because you have to make it yours. Whatever it is,

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:52.600
<v Speaker 3>if you that's what it is for the next generations,

0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 3>you just make it yours. Because we had no rules

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 3>to how we would show.

0:32:55.720 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>Up, all right, So you know, I went to school

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>with McBride, Yeah, Christian mcbriden and Kurt Rosenwinkle, and that

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>was my bloods and crips hey, because in order to

0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>get Christian's respect you had to know straight jazz. But

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>then Rosenwinkle is also feeding you Captain beef Hart and

0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Mount of Vishu orchestra and stuff, and then on that

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:25.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm cheating on both of them with Tariq.

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>But the thing was is just that I never could

0:33:30.560 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>find cats that look like me that were really into

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>free jazz. Like I entered Miles Davis via Bitches brew right,

0:33:39.520 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and then went backwards because I belonged to Columbia House

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>And I'm really dating myself with all these references, but

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, getting its entire disc thing. But I just

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 1>never had cats to play free jazz with them, because

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 1>the thing was like, well, you learned the basics and

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.400
<v Speaker 1>the foundation first, then you go to free jazz.

0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 2>But I never had it shows up. How it shows up,

0:33:59.320 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 2>we would be out.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wish, you know, I wish I had that

0:34:03.080 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 1>experience with that, like who are your three base gods?

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 3>Base gods Stanley, Jocko and if I uh in Anthony

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Jackson of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the legendary Anthony Jes sir, yes, yes, sir, straight up.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is your morning routine? What is the first

0:34:24.719 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>thing you do in the first half hour of your day.

0:34:27.000 --> 0:34:30.279
<v Speaker 3>I try not to cry, and then I try to

0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 3>like not pick my I mean I try not to

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 3>pick my phone up. And then the first half hour

0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:39.400
<v Speaker 3>is like it's really jolting for me because it almost

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:41.000
<v Speaker 3>feels like somebody threw cold water on me.

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.320
<v Speaker 2>So in that thirty minutes, if I'm not careful, how.

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Long does it take you to not grab the Because

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 1>the thing is I wake up feeling great, yeah, and

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 1>then the second I want to feel like it's twenty

0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.160
<v Speaker 1>twenty six. Yeah, I picked the phone up. Sometimes the

0:34:55.200 --> 0:34:57.879
<v Speaker 1>evidence sort yeah, oh we're living in hell right now.

0:34:57.960 --> 0:34:58.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>Out the gate that I feel with letting, like letting

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:06.319
<v Speaker 1>two hours go by, yeah and bliss. Yeah, is like

0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm doing it as a daily practice, like do not

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>pick your phone up till ten.

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 3>But of course, like yeah, well for you though, like

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 3>for me, Like for me, I have my little routine.

0:35:16.760 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I love to go get my little coffee and read

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 3>some comics.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 3>I trained boxing, okay, as often as possible, So everything

0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:26.520
<v Speaker 3>is always me. It's kind of leading up to that

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 3>for me until there's after. So there's before and then

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 3>there's after working out for me, and it's like, I

0:35:32.560 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I feel like again. I didn't realize we

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:37.000
<v Speaker 3>were crazy in LA until maybe just the last.

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Couple of years.

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Somebody had to bring it to my attention. She was like,

0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 3>you do know you're crazy right now? I was like,

0:35:43.000 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 3>is this why you ended?

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:45.839
<v Speaker 1>All right? One of the one of the greatest song

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>endings of all time? Okay, initially I gave this award

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>to Prince's Dinner with Dolors because I love the line

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>no more, that's the end and the song stops. But

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:03.359
<v Speaker 1>when you said you know, I'm from Los Angeles, right,

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it's one thing. If it just cut off there, I

0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:09.080
<v Speaker 1>would have been like, oh, that's clever. It had been

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>another thing if the laugh that ensued afterwards was like

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.839
<v Speaker 1>in studio banter. But the fact that you mixed it

0:36:16.760 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 1>and you know, put the effect on the laugh that

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.120
<v Speaker 1>made me listen to that song like ten times over

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.919
<v Speaker 1>just to analyze everything about it. How self aware of

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 1>you and I'm assuming that all of your therapy talk

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:35.759
<v Speaker 1>in your records is real life the experiences.

0:36:35.840 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>I do need another therapist to be honest.

0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Hey, dog, I have three of them right now at

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>the moment, so there's no I'm saying I'm going full

0:36:43.360 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>in on therapy.

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I have three, man, so I'm about to about to

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>be right behind you. Help help, let's help, please help.

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>When did you become self aware that you need to

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:59.799
<v Speaker 1>live your authentic life? Because I was told to hide this.

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I look at you kind of with envy

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 1>because the answer for me was like hide, don't go

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:09.160
<v Speaker 1>outside because you'll get picked on, you'll get bullied.

0:37:09.760 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 2>And then we were getting shot at for sure, but.

0:37:15.800 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 3>He was staying inside. You would get shot at it

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.480
<v Speaker 3>even if he was inside in La like that's that's

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 3>one of the reasons why we moved from Compton though,

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, like.

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.239
<v Speaker 1>My dad, the Compton thing was real.

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 2>It was to have made.

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.720
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, can I ask what was this straw

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 1>that broke the camel's back?

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 3>That it was definitely somebody shooting at my dad on

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 3>the porch from across the street eight.

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 2>Just for fun or probably high off a showroom or something.

0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, And when my dad tells me because it's like,

0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 3>you know, again, growing up in that area, you would

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.840
<v Speaker 3>you could fall victim to it no matter. At any point.

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.200
<v Speaker 3>If you asked Vince Staples, he would tell you the

0:37:53.280 --> 0:37:55.799
<v Speaker 3>same thing. Growing up in LA in this certain area.

0:37:55.840 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't mean that you it's always adjacent. It's right here.

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 3>It's right here. It doesn't mean you got to get

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 3>touched by it, but it's still right here.

0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:03.560
<v Speaker 1>You can hit you it anymore.

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And my dad tells me, because I was probably

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:07.799
<v Speaker 3>a baby when it happened, but he was. I was like,

0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 3>I didn't understand why we moved so much, you know,

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:13.440
<v Speaker 3>a younger, he told me, And it stuck maybe twenty

0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.120
<v Speaker 3>years later or so where he was like, yeah, man,

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I was on the porch and all I saw was

0:38:17.160 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 3>like dust, you know, like a dust and you see dust.

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:22.640
<v Speaker 2>And my dad said he could see it.

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.920
<v Speaker 3>He could see a dude in the distance by the

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 3>grocery store, just like aiming at him on the porch.

0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>And I think that that was the straw that literally

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 3>and figuratively broke the camel's back.

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:32.879
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it did.

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Like growing up in that area was But at the

0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.839
<v Speaker 3>same time, my high school homecomings and all our games

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 3>used to get shot up.

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 2>So this was not weird to me.

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>I never thought I see the day where most of

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the humor I have is there's at least twenty tragic

0:38:52.440 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>stories that would have paralized any other human being. Yeah,

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>but now if I were seeing up comed like, I'd

0:38:58.960 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>be the king of comedy.

0:39:00.239 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 3>The line that you're talking about that existed where it

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.040
<v Speaker 3>was like, how did I know to just be? If

0:39:05.080 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 3>I showed you a picture of my mom, you know, like,

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm starting to realize more and more, no matter what

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 3>the case is. My mom was like my mom was like,

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.279
<v Speaker 3>it don't matter be who you are. And I see

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 3>it and I'm like looking at her out and I'm like,

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:19.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, you have the years with your mama, whoop

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 3>your ass and you'd be like, you did this to me,

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:23.480
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, no, I did this to myself. After this,

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 3>after you can acknowledge that you then it's your turn

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 3>to realize that it's you doing this to yourself at

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:30.720
<v Speaker 3>this point, you know. So I'm looking at my mom

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 3>and me in my older age, and I look at

0:39:33.280 --> 0:39:35.520
<v Speaker 3>her and I'm like, my mom is maybe the coolest person.

0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, I see why my dad married her, Like

0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 3>my mom. I get everything from my mom. I get

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 3>my sense of style from my mom. I get my

0:39:42.400 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 3>inability to see, my ability to see. I get all

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:47.520
<v Speaker 3>of it from my mom. And even when it comes

0:39:47.600 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 3>to the part where like I make the joke about

0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.120
<v Speaker 3>that's the last time I wore a suit, my mom

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 3>believed who I was the whole time.

0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:57.960
<v Speaker 2>She would see me drawing. She didn't question it.

0:39:58.120 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 1>So when you said I never want to wear a

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>suit again, that.

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Was my mom did. She was like, we'll do what

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 2>you gotta do.

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 1>No, damn, this is the generational thing, man, because you

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:10.680
<v Speaker 1>were given agency.

0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mister Andrews, and my parents were like.

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 1>You were respected.

0:40:14.320 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 3>Like what do you think, Oh, I wasn't respected. Well,

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I still got shot at That's what I'm saying. Like

0:40:18.600 --> 0:40:20.719
<v Speaker 3>I was doing as Kamasi. He'd be like Steve.

0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:21.080
<v Speaker 4>They thought.

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 3>They used to call me snoopy because it was like

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't It was almost very something. I used to

0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:27.440
<v Speaker 3>look like a girl when I was a kid. I

0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 3>used to get like mistaken for a girl when I

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 3>was a kid. Those used to be absolute horror stories

0:40:32.800 --> 0:40:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and like trauma. Right. It would be like even the

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 3>way I dressed, mister Andrews the way I would get

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:39.680
<v Speaker 3>picked on all the time. I just didn't care. It

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 3>was like some pooty tang level. Like I was crashed

0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 3>out on a rival. So there's a part where you

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.400
<v Speaker 3>could do your worst. I'd be like, I do not care, Bro,

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:51.399
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna die. I'm like you probably before me because

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 3>I got at least I got on Mickey Mouse here

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:54.600
<v Speaker 3>so they won't shoot the mouse.

0:40:57.800 --> 0:41:12.759
<v Speaker 1>But oh my god, have you ever met the cats

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:18.720
<v Speaker 1>from Fishblone? And I believe they weren't at your high school.

0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:22.480
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's almost like the same existence with their

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 1>family seven weirdos like oh yeah made a pack to

0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah stick together? Wow you unpacked so much with that.

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>That's this real. It's my parents brother, Yeah, that's real.

0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 3>My brother used to get bullied all the time.

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Older brother. He would get picked on. People would steal

0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:42.759
<v Speaker 2>his stick bag. Yeah, like people would take his hand.

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 1>That's blasphemous.

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:45.920
<v Speaker 3>There's a I was that little brother, like get your

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:47.480
<v Speaker 3>hands off my brother and just jump on you and

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:47.840
<v Speaker 3>kill you.

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>I was definitely that kid.

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 3>You'd have to pull me if I saw you touch

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 3>my brother, I would you'd have to pull me off.

0:41:52.520 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 2>If you with a spatula. I would be on you

0:41:55.000 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 2>like a badger.

0:41:56.320 --> 0:42:00.120
<v Speaker 3>But it's also because I knew where I subconsciously, I

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 3>think that somewhere between it was almost like growing up.

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:05.319
<v Speaker 2>If I had to describe what it felt like.

0:42:05.280 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 3>When I can think about it cinematically, somewhere between Hollywood shuffle,

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 3>don't be a menace to South Central and literally menace

0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 3>to society. For me, that's what my memory of said.

0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:19.759
<v Speaker 3>Things of this nature were somewhere in between because I

0:42:19.760 --> 0:42:22.040
<v Speaker 3>could see the line. I think the Waynes Brothers made

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 3>it clear to be able to see it. So I

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:26.839
<v Speaker 3>saw the joke when I saw the when I saw that,

0:42:26.920 --> 0:42:29.680
<v Speaker 3>when I saw Robert Townsend, when I saw the Waynes Brothers,

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, yeah, this is a stick. I

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:33.840
<v Speaker 3>was like, oh, yeah, you're gonna it was like okay.

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:36.919
<v Speaker 3>I would be did we be you know, it would exist.

0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:37.799
<v Speaker 3>You'd be like, where are you from?

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Homie? Did be like this?

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 3>Uh, go ahead and kill me bro I don't even

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know. I was like, do you know

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 3>where you're from? That would be in the back of

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 3>my mind. I wouldn't ask that.

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, no. But but if walking.

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Up on me and talking to me. I would imagine

0:42:52.920 --> 0:42:54.279
<v Speaker 3>you couldn't tell what was going on. I would be

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 3>talking about screwdrivers and hammers and like PlayStation and so

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 3>you would try to be banging on me, and i'ld

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 3>be sitting there looking off into space, and I'd be like,

0:43:01.560 --> 0:43:02.000
<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't.

0:43:02.040 --> 0:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I probably sounded like snoopy. That's what I was told

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:04.760
<v Speaker 2>when I was younger.

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:09.240
<v Speaker 1>So my thing is I had to get out Hooker Crook.

0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:13.480
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know how I willed myself out of

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 1>West Philly stories too. Yeah, it's I willed myself out

0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:22.359
<v Speaker 1>of it. But I mean, and I will admit, like

0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 1>when we finally moved to Europe, that was the first

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:30.840
<v Speaker 1>time where I could like wow, like wow, I made it.

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And then the fear of I gotta do what I

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>gotta do to never go back to West Philly, which

0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:39.480
<v Speaker 1>is why this is one of ten jobs, Like I'm

0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:41.279
<v Speaker 1>never going back to West Philly. But in my mind

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.680
<v Speaker 1>it's always like, Okay, I'll take this job, and I'll

0:43:43.680 --> 0:43:46.959
<v Speaker 1>write this book and I'll do this. Ain't for you, though,

0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 1>did you ever have a moment where, well, it almost

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:55.120
<v Speaker 1>sounds like you had no fear of whatever was going

0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.280
<v Speaker 1>to happen to you, or it was just so normal

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>that it's like, hey, it is, that's what it is.

0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:03.080
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, did you ever have a moment where

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 1>you actually felt like, Okay, that chapter of my life

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 1>is now two blocks behind me in the rear view mirror.

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:16.319
<v Speaker 3>Or I think that there was so many things to

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:18.800
<v Speaker 3>focus on that there's a part of me that couldn't

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't even think for the most part, Like I

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:24.279
<v Speaker 3>mean jokingly, it was kind of like, so I got

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.840
<v Speaker 3>to learn to read music, then I gotta wear a suit,

0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 3>then I gotta show up, and then I gotta like

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 3>keep my art book with me, and then I gotta

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.600
<v Speaker 3>go to church after and then and then I got

0:44:33.640 --> 0:44:35.319
<v Speaker 3>to like have homework done, and then I gotta go

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 3>on tour with you know.

0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 2>And like as a part of me where I was.

0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.240
<v Speaker 3>Like, I don't think at any point I could ever see,

0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 3>I was like I didn't even know what death was.

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 3>I was just kind of like, all right, I guess

0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.960
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't thinking so much. I think there's a part

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 3>where I was like I wasn't aware of the fear,

0:44:51.920 --> 0:44:53.400
<v Speaker 3>if that's a better way to put it. So like

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.360
<v Speaker 3>I think I was just more so just kind of

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.000
<v Speaker 3>like observant of things.

0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>All right, So I pay thousands of dollars to learn

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 1>how to live in the present, and you know, and

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I maintained the gift of the first pandemic. This is

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the second pandemic, by the way, we full in it. Right,

0:45:10.719 --> 0:45:14.640
<v Speaker 1>So the first pandemic, the gift was Okay, I got

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>to get some therapy. I got a bunch of issues

0:45:16.640 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been holding on to you. I can't get a

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 1>proper relationship or a relationship with myself or anything. And

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:26.000
<v Speaker 1>so I had to do a lot of cleanup for

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>three years to our pandemic. Now I figured out the

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.120
<v Speaker 1>only way I'm really going to survive this period that

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 1>we're in with my brand intact is literally this day,

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>this day, every great day, all right, tomorrow, I'm gonna

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.480
<v Speaker 1>say the same thing this day. Yeah, I almost feel

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>like you're I think your parents instilled in you the

0:45:49.719 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 1>idea of living in the present.

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm actually going to this may this made trip out

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.120
<v Speaker 3>of it. It was actually Erica. That's yeah.

0:45:57.320 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I can see that.

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:00.640
<v Speaker 2>That was Erica that taught me that you're right.

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:03.120
<v Speaker 3>I can see that the younger me was just like

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.120
<v Speaker 3>my art book was like another world for me. You know,

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.560
<v Speaker 3>playing with my friends was like the best thing ever.

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 3>But it was on meeting Erica that for me was

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>like right here, this is where you're at, this is

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.040
<v Speaker 3>this is you can always do this.

0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 2>It was heard that taught me right here. Wow yeah

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:28.440
<v Speaker 2>okay Yeah.

0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:30.720
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever had a regular job?

0:46:31.680 --> 0:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Eh? No, I think working at a comic store is

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:37.919
<v Speaker 2>considered regular either.

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like, are you big?

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 2>You're a big I'm a comic.

0:46:41.680 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 1>So do you like comics? No? Like, how bad is

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 1>your collection?

0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>This crash out worthy? It's where somebody being like, you need.

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Help, but what's your most valuable one?

0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Most valuable comic?

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, are you a I gotta get Edition one? Yeah?

0:46:58.000 --> 0:46:58.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely that guy.

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Okay from me at this moment in life again, you know,

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:05.120
<v Speaker 3>like you know, I was, I look at Marvel and

0:47:05.200 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 3>DC like it's like bloods and crips.

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 2>There's a part where my dad, what side are you on?

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I am through and through Marvel, kid, Let's keep let's

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:12.279
<v Speaker 2>be clear about that one.

0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Marvel the Bullpen crash out level insanity from the forties,

0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:20.240
<v Speaker 3>I go less go. You know why Batman sticks around

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:23.719
<v Speaker 3>two because that's like crash out level like depression. Like

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:25.799
<v Speaker 3>if you ever watched those early Batman's and you go like,

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:28.600
<v Speaker 3>what was Batman? It was like that was full blown autism,

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.560
<v Speaker 3>Like that was yes, yes, you just goes see he's

0:47:31.600 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 3>still here. Yes, it's like, oh, they made him rich later,

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 3>way later. But it was like bro was in soup

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 3>lines with a sock on his head, like helping the cops,

0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.319
<v Speaker 3>like there's no such thing, and so like that's why

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.799
<v Speaker 3>Batman will always stick to me. But like that's like real,

0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 3>Like there's there's some realness to Batman. But Marvel, Marvel

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.479
<v Speaker 3>for me as a child, was everything and it still

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.000
<v Speaker 3>is because it even informed the next generation of comics

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 3>where we have the image comics and all this stuff

0:47:56.840 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 3>like that.

0:47:57.400 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 2>It was Marvel that did that, like it If Marvel didn't,

0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:02.680
<v Speaker 2>if Marvel.

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 3>Didn't pay Todd McFarlane absolute shite to do everything, if

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.040
<v Speaker 3>he didn't stand up and go, who's coming with me

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:11.879
<v Speaker 3>and leave to make image, we wouldn't have this generational

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 3>like uh, like, we wouldn't have this fandom like we

0:48:14.239 --> 0:48:16.760
<v Speaker 3>do from the sixties, the Silver Rage from the sixties

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 3>into where Tom McFarland shows up and leaves and creates

0:48:21.040 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 3>image and all the things that have been from the

0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:27.400
<v Speaker 3>newer writers like Trad Moore to Donnie Kates or Ryan Stegman, Like, yeah, no,

0:48:27.440 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 3>I'm a real nerd with this stuff.

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know what I mean, Like it's we wouldn't

0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:33.440
<v Speaker 2>have that. So it's a I'm sorry, I'm about to

0:48:33.440 --> 0:48:34.000
<v Speaker 2>start crashing out.

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Probably I want to know this. You know, first I

0:48:36.920 --> 0:48:38.640
<v Speaker 1>felt insecure because.

0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:39.360
<v Speaker 2>I do not hide.

0:48:39.200 --> 0:48:42.760
<v Speaker 1>One of my biggest shames in the world is because

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 1>people think that I'm that level nerd. Around like maybe

0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 1>seven years ago, it started being hey, man, I know

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>you have every record that ever existed, but I got

0:48:53.480 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>some of you don't got. And then they'll pull out

0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:06.880
<v Speaker 1>this thing and instantly I got to get performative, like no, yo, outside, no,

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:11.879
<v Speaker 1>when I tell you, I know I own eighteen of

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 1>like the most like maybe the first words that got

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 1>himself printed on paper as a cartoon or some sort

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>of right, and again people are like, what is he

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:24.239
<v Speaker 1>want for his birthday? Well, he has every record, he

0:49:24.280 --> 0:49:26.640
<v Speaker 1>has all the soul drains, right is he in the comics?

0:49:26.680 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>And my assistants don't know. Yah, And so I can

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:36.280
<v Speaker 1>say that I have an immaculate, like Ace comic collection.

0:49:36.920 --> 0:49:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I have no clue what the hell I have, but

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>I do know based on the ah, you know what

0:49:44.280 --> 0:49:47.120
<v Speaker 1>this is, right dog? Come on, man, what's my name?

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Of course I know what it is. Yeah, yeah, And

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 1>so that's I I wasn't allowed And that's what I

0:49:55.880 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to you about, especially with your love

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 1>of anime. Yeah. A big part of my turnaround was me.

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, So the first time I'm just psychedelics. I

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:07.920
<v Speaker 1>watched Fantasia Wow.

0:50:08.040 --> 0:50:10.399
<v Speaker 2>And that's the right way to do it. Actually, that's

0:50:10.400 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 2>the only way to do.

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:15.120
<v Speaker 1>It, like for real, because there's inspiration, like for a

0:50:15.120 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>person that's trying to channel his higher consciousness and all

0:50:17.680 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that stuff like that is and for me, you know,

0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 1>after watching it seventeen times, I'm like, what else is

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.200
<v Speaker 1>out there? And people are like, dude, how are you

0:50:25.239 --> 0:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>not on anime?

0:50:26.320 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 4>Boy?

0:50:26.640 --> 0:50:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Watches that talk about just your obsession and entry into cartoons, anime, oh, comics?

0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:38.279
<v Speaker 3>What is it?

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:39.279
<v Speaker 4>What is it?

0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:41.640
<v Speaker 1>This is your soul train? What soul train is to me?

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:42.279
<v Speaker 2>This is.

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:46.680
<v Speaker 1>What is it?

0:50:46.680 --> 0:50:48.359
<v Speaker 3>It just depends on where you're starting from, because there's

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:50.600
<v Speaker 3>a part where I'm genuinely like, you know, there's different

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:52.400
<v Speaker 3>eras of it again when it comes from the sixties

0:50:52.440 --> 0:50:54.200
<v Speaker 3>to the seventies to the eighties again with the coming

0:50:54.239 --> 0:50:55.759
<v Speaker 3>out of World War Two, where it's like, you know,

0:50:56.120 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 3>Betty Betty Boop at the time was kind of like

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 3>more influential character in comics and tunes, and so they

0:51:00.800 --> 0:51:02.480
<v Speaker 3>were kind of following suit and trying to like, you know,

0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:04.560
<v Speaker 3>appeal to the American audience, you know, which create which

0:51:04.600 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 3>created like wee buu culture or like jet panophile level

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 3>otaku kind of stuff like that. But there's a part

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 3>where it's also kind of like somewhere along the lines

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.359
<v Speaker 3>of between working at a comic store and then growing

0:51:14.440 --> 0:51:16.520
<v Speaker 3>up with Kamasi, we were really into that. So there's

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:18.520
<v Speaker 3>a part where it was kind of like, I've my

0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.279
<v Speaker 3>first experience with the anime was like in maybe I

0:51:21.320 --> 0:51:21.960
<v Speaker 3>don't even know what.

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 1>To call it.

0:51:22.160 --> 0:51:23.560
<v Speaker 3>At this point, I would say this is the silver

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.560
<v Speaker 3>age of the eighties into the nineties was like the

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:27.279
<v Speaker 3>silver age because now we're kind of living in a

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 3>post of it, and a lot of the time the

0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:30.600
<v Speaker 3>things that people get excited about about it, it's really

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.680
<v Speaker 3>like not worth his weight in gold. I'm gonna just

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:35.640
<v Speaker 3>be honest, because reality is the level of manic depressive

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:37.560
<v Speaker 3>that it would create with the art. If the artist,

0:51:37.640 --> 0:51:39.360
<v Speaker 3>if I'm like, if they're not depressed, this's just not

0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:40.839
<v Speaker 3>going to be good. I'm sorry, it's just what it is,

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.279
<v Speaker 3>just like music. But it's the part where I'm just like,

0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 3>it just depends on where you're asking that from. And

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.640
<v Speaker 3>for me, where it starts is the realization that everything

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:51.400
<v Speaker 3>we watched in the eighties was Japanese animation.

0:51:52.560 --> 0:51:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so once a year I'll allow myself to watch

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Tarik's Hot ninety seven free style. Yeah, because especially in

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the age of the podcast.

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:09.359
<v Speaker 3>Bro, Yeah, I probably need some like some magnesium. I'm

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 3>probably like right on the edge of crashing out and

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 3>running into the like.

0:52:12.680 --> 0:52:15.840
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no. But here's the thing. I never thought

0:52:16.440 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 1>I get the ideal intellectual explanation of comic history than what.

0:52:25.760 --> 0:52:29.800
<v Speaker 3>You just gave me, like camal t because I'm like, a,

0:52:29.960 --> 0:52:31.960
<v Speaker 3>here's the thing, man, It's like I started boxing, is it.

0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, I'm gonna go slightly rogue. I'm gonna have

0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:37.880
<v Speaker 1>another Jamie Lee Curtis moment where I'm gonna do this.

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I owe you an apology. No, I owe you an apology. Okay,

0:52:44.080 --> 0:52:49.200
<v Speaker 1>so before you know, the twenty twenty thing was me

0:52:49.320 --> 0:52:53.280
<v Speaker 1>dealing with a lot of issues. But I was so

0:52:53.280 --> 0:53:00.000
<v Speaker 1>socially avoiding and had anxiety about just people in jail.

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Animal the way that you were like yo, man, like

0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:06.200
<v Speaker 1>let's hang out, let's jam, and the way I would

0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:10.400
<v Speaker 1>try to make matrix bullet eye, because I mean there

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:13.399
<v Speaker 1>was a whole other it was you glassper Chris dave

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:16.200
<v Speaker 1>O Man, let's say out, listen, and I would have

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:20.240
<v Speaker 1>so much literally like anxiety, like crazy.

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:21.919
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:25.879
<v Speaker 1>But thing was I think I was too, and I

0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.440
<v Speaker 1>saw that you guys were my squad. But I just

0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:33.759
<v Speaker 1>saw y'all it's so technically advanced past me that I

0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:39.719
<v Speaker 1>think subconsciously I thought, nah, man, I'm gonna get I'm

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.040
<v Speaker 1>gonna get caught like they'll they'll, they'll, they'll find me

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:44.400
<v Speaker 1>out like everyone always lives in this whole, like I'm

0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna be found out as a broad thing.

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:50.960
<v Speaker 2>And marriages a lot of failed marriages based on.

0:53:51.960 --> 0:53:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Find out about me. But is that way, Kama see,

0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I know Lotus has to be feeling some sort of way.

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 1>We have not spoken. We might have said one sentence

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:05.359
<v Speaker 1>to each other and I'm a massive Lotus fan.

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like he's like Batman. He is like literally

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:08.840
<v Speaker 2>like Batman.

0:54:10.160 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 1>But I'm regretting now like I'm and now on my head,

0:54:14.320 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just thinking, like man, like all the enlightenment I

0:54:17.960 --> 0:54:22.560
<v Speaker 1>could have had in twenty ten on if I just

0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:26.120
<v Speaker 1>texted this motherfucker back when he texted like, I'm now

0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:30.720
<v Speaker 1>regretting the friendship we should have had in the last

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years just based on this. Oh man, this is like,

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.719
<v Speaker 1>this is our first real conversation even though we see

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 1>each other all the time. H And all right, so

0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:43.120
<v Speaker 1>this has evolved mere talking. I'm not trying to carjack

0:54:43.200 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 1>the James looking at me like this is about to

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 1>turn into open my eagle thing? All right? Who are

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.839
<v Speaker 1>the five creatives that are your north Star?

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Five creatives that are my north Star?

0:54:55.719 --> 0:55:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Yes, any any area doesn't have to be musicians.

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, definitely Stanley Clark. Definitely Stanley Clark.

0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.960
<v Speaker 1>All Right, because I'm from Philly, I can't believe I'm

0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.880
<v Speaker 1>saying this, Like what era of Stanley Clark is yours?

0:55:11.400 --> 0:55:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Because wait, speaking of which, are you Team school Days

0:55:16.520 --> 0:55:18.120
<v Speaker 1>or Team Town Team Town?

0:55:18.719 --> 0:55:18.839
<v Speaker 4>Who?

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.680
<v Speaker 1>And it's tea. I know what you mean, it's team Town,

0:55:23.239 --> 0:55:27.960
<v Speaker 1>the solo that you have to memorize in order to

0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:29.239
<v Speaker 1>get respect.

0:55:29.640 --> 0:55:36.239
<v Speaker 3>I think that any transcribing of Jocko's said knowledge or solos,

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:40.200
<v Speaker 3>it's in the transcribing the solos, it's there's a path

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 3>to understanding, to get better, which is why it's so key,

0:55:44.200 --> 0:55:47.360
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. Like in specifically with Jocko's,

0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Jocko reminds me of Charlie Parker because of the part

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:54.759
<v Speaker 3>where it's like the phrasing and the types of things

0:55:54.760 --> 0:55:58.960
<v Speaker 3>that he would do. It's a vast comprehension of the

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:01.880
<v Speaker 3>chortal structures of things to where it's like it doesn't

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:03.680
<v Speaker 3>have to start in the same place, it doesn't have

0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:06.160
<v Speaker 3>to start all these things, these tropes that we've come to.

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.600
<v Speaker 3>Even if you know, like like even where Frank Zappa said,

0:56:08.600 --> 0:56:10.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's no such thing. You're not improvising, you know,

0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:13.560
<v Speaker 3>it's like it's okay, Frank Beethoven, like all right, all right,

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 3>we all suck, thank you, But there's a part where

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.239
<v Speaker 3>it's like Jocko's Like one of my favorite solos other

0:56:19.320 --> 0:56:23.560
<v Speaker 3>than teen Town, actually is on Ursula Dudziak's album, where

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 3>him and Michael Urbaniac in Erzla Dudziak, who's married to

0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.279
<v Speaker 3>Michael Urbaniac. I'm pretty sure they're still married. It's his

0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.360
<v Speaker 3>solo in the beginning of Roxanna. For me, it's not

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 3>teen Town was just iconic, but his solo in the

0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:37.839
<v Speaker 3>beginning of Roxanna, on on, on.

0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 1>On, I gotta go back to this, Okay.

0:56:39.200 --> 0:56:40.440
<v Speaker 2>It's this moment, and there's a story.

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I think there's always even the story of him, like

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:43.759
<v Speaker 3>the way he would read and how he would turn

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:45.759
<v Speaker 3>papers upside down and read the stuff he was just like,

0:56:45.960 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 3>you know, this is one of those moments and it's.

0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Like, I never know you could do that.

0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Jocko was full tilt. But if you're saying, if

0:56:52.920 --> 0:56:58.440
<v Speaker 3>you're asking me like teen Town versus A school days, Yeah, Stanley.

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Stanley to me, in all his knowledge and everything that

0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 3>he was bringing into his own music is unmatched. It's

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:11.720
<v Speaker 3>unmatched again, from the Pharaoh Sanders years to the Return

0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:15.160
<v Speaker 3>Forever years. This man is carrying the legacy of jazz

0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 3>on his back with Tony Williams and you know what

0:57:17.520 --> 0:57:22.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying and spearheading it, yes, alongside the other ones

0:57:22.480 --> 0:57:25.240
<v Speaker 3>that we love. But the reality is Stanley to me

0:57:26.080 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Jocko's first album for Me, it has an air of

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:30.680
<v Speaker 3>this if you're putting it against those two, which are

0:57:30.720 --> 0:57:33.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of like they're two different eras of their creative

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:38.080
<v Speaker 3>process and who they are. School Days for me versus

0:57:38.760 --> 0:57:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Weather Reports, Team Town to me, Oh my god, I'm

0:57:43.000 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 3>Stanley all day. And there's the reason why is because

0:57:47.960 --> 0:57:52.920
<v Speaker 3>everything from the personnel to how Stanley presented himself in

0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 3>this moment, there was no guessing what type of artist

0:57:56.800 --> 0:57:59.959
<v Speaker 3>Stanley was, you know, like the part where Jocko ended

0:58:00.080 --> 0:58:03.280
<v Speaker 3>his solo album and him playing piano, you were.

0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Left to be like, what the hell, what is this?

0:58:06.520 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 1>What is this?

0:58:07.080 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 3>And it's like it gave way to so many other things.

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:14.280
<v Speaker 3>But Stanley Stanley was like, I think that life is

0:58:14.400 --> 0:58:19.080
<v Speaker 3>just a game. Changed my life. Like after there's me

0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.480
<v Speaker 3>before hearing life is just a game. There's me my

0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:24.600
<v Speaker 3>mom paying me twenty dollars to learn Stanley Clark solo really,

0:58:24.680 --> 0:58:27.880
<v Speaker 3>and then there's me realizing it's him singing what he's saying,

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 3>and like the whole span of the album, him doing

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:33.200
<v Speaker 3>this concerto at the end of the album, Life is

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:36.240
<v Speaker 3>just a game. It just it still haunts me to

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:39.120
<v Speaker 3>this day that helicopter sound at the end of the song.

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.840
<v Speaker 3>I can It's like I can see myself almost like

0:58:41.880 --> 0:58:44.080
<v Speaker 3>it's a straight line to my I don't have.

0:58:44.400 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 2>My memory is really blurry and fuzzy.

0:58:46.360 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 1>You're totally making me recontextualize, like.

0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Stanley's the man. He is the man.

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:09.800
<v Speaker 1>One of the coolest moments I ever saw Prince was

0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:12.680
<v Speaker 1>in concert, and I believe Stanley was in the audience.

0:59:12.960 --> 0:59:14.320
<v Speaker 2>That had to be funny.

0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:18.640
<v Speaker 1>He got on bass and they did school days verbatim.

0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I think I saw footage of this, did you posts?

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I might have, but he did it verbatim, And that's

0:59:25.880 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 1>the first time I said, oh, so Prince does no

0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:33.760
<v Speaker 1>ventral quism, because there's a thing where I'd ask him,

0:59:34.000 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 1>like he would do a cover song but then not

0:59:36.320 --> 0:59:38.560
<v Speaker 1>learn the lyrics. Yeah, And I think that was just

0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:42.320
<v Speaker 1>an exercise for him to not be too derivative of

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:44.400
<v Speaker 1>someone's things, but just let it inspire enough to get

0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:47.200
<v Speaker 1>into it and I do my own thing. But when

0:59:47.240 --> 0:59:50.160
<v Speaker 1>he did it note for note, I was like, oh, okay,

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:55.280
<v Speaker 1>so you can show me that you've proven Okay, I

0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:58.480
<v Speaker 1>got that speak Wait, speaking of bass, the last time

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 1>we played you grabbed a four string and I'd never

1:00:03.960 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, I'm thinking, oh, any bass player can get

1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:11.000
<v Speaker 1>on any acts and bring the magic up. What is

1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.320
<v Speaker 1>the muscle memory? Like when you don't have the two

1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:18.439
<v Speaker 1>extra strings on the Berserker to go to Well, because

1:00:18.440 --> 1:00:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I saw you literally thinking yeah, or trying to go

1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:22.960
<v Speaker 1>back to Well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's in a way, it's like, again, this is all

1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:27.320
<v Speaker 3>it's a matter of knowing the neck to a major degree.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a part of it where I'm just kind

1:00:28.760 --> 1:00:32.440
<v Speaker 3>of like, I think knowing the neck in this manner,

1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:33.120
<v Speaker 3>it's just it's.

1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Almost it's I literally it's like you.

1:00:34.760 --> 1:00:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Don't ever not know those four strings, you know, so

1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:40.800
<v Speaker 3>even knowing the different places that the octaves exist where

1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:42.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's like, but it's always about a lot

1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:44.880
<v Speaker 3>of the time those two other strings just offer a

1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:47.400
<v Speaker 3>different type of facility that's a bit more stated than

1:00:47.480 --> 1:00:50.080
<v Speaker 3>just a simple line on the tymple baseline. So a

1:00:50.080 --> 1:00:51.800
<v Speaker 3>lot of time, it's more so like it's pretty fun

1:00:51.840 --> 1:00:55.360
<v Speaker 3>for me, like because I already know somebody's usually like, oh, yeah,

1:00:55.360 --> 1:00:57.560
<v Speaker 3>here's a real challenge of four string, and it's like, oh,

1:00:57.600 --> 1:00:59.200
<v Speaker 3>it's a real challenge of forestring.

1:00:59.240 --> 1:01:00.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like it's a part to me.

1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:04.640
<v Speaker 3>That's like whatever, whatever works, buddy, you know what I mean,

1:01:04.720 --> 1:01:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Like cause it's like going into the years of the

1:01:06.760 --> 1:01:08.160
<v Speaker 3>records of me playing on for a string.

1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't even have to you know, I can.

1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.520
<v Speaker 1>Is there a smaller bodied acts that can accommodate a

1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:15.920
<v Speaker 1>six string or do you?

1:01:16.120 --> 1:01:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I would never wish that on anybody that's that would

1:01:18.240 --> 1:01:18.640
<v Speaker 2>be like.

1:01:19.240 --> 1:01:21.919
<v Speaker 1>But how's your upper strength? Because like I know now,

1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Bootsy Collins, yeah, doesn't play his bass for that very reason.

1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.680
<v Speaker 1>He's just like, my back has killing me, and I

1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:29.520
<v Speaker 1>never knew that. You guys have to deal.

1:01:29.360 --> 1:01:32.240
<v Speaker 3>With I'm going to I'm like, I'm going out on them.

1:01:32.360 --> 1:01:35.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm dying on this hill. Let let it disintegrate my back.

1:01:35.120 --> 1:01:37.040
<v Speaker 3>Bro I'm ready for me. I just knew, like it

1:01:37.080 --> 1:01:39.880
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter. I'm gonna do that. I will do that

1:01:39.920 --> 1:01:42.520
<v Speaker 3>till my dying day, Like in the manner in which

1:01:42.560 --> 1:01:44.240
<v Speaker 3>I saw, you know, like when we watched Ozzie in

1:01:44.240 --> 1:01:45.920
<v Speaker 3>this final performance where he's like, you're gonna have to

1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:46.600
<v Speaker 3>pry me from this.

1:01:47.120 --> 1:01:47.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't care.

1:01:48.480 --> 1:01:50.360
<v Speaker 3>It's like the reality is a lot of the time,

1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:52.560
<v Speaker 3>it's about what it is to you, and it's what

1:01:52.760 --> 1:01:52.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like.

1:01:53.000 --> 1:01:54.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like some Bruce Lee stuff. It's like, it is

1:01:54.480 --> 1:01:55.240
<v Speaker 2>what you say it is.

1:01:56.200 --> 1:01:58.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't go around telling people I've been in pain

1:01:58.200 --> 1:02:01.200
<v Speaker 3>the whole time playing my hands hurt. That's just what

1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:04.840
<v Speaker 3>comes with it, and it only hurts when you stop.

1:02:06.040 --> 1:02:09.200
<v Speaker 3>When you lose a trusted collaboratory.

1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:13.480
<v Speaker 1>How do you cope through that? Because I happen to

1:02:13.520 --> 1:02:18.960
<v Speaker 1>see you, like the night before that, I knew D'Angel

1:02:19.040 --> 1:02:20.640
<v Speaker 1>was going to you, know, so I was like, really

1:02:20.800 --> 1:02:23.240
<v Speaker 1>my feelings and I know that you you want on

1:02:23.280 --> 1:02:25.320
<v Speaker 1>a record a lot talking about like Max passing and

1:02:25.320 --> 1:02:29.720
<v Speaker 1>how that affect your life and everything, and like I again,

1:02:29.840 --> 1:02:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I so wanted to come up to you to be like,

1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:37.120
<v Speaker 1>how do you cope with the shit? Because I didn't

1:02:37.160 --> 1:02:38.680
<v Speaker 1>want to get to a place where I like start

1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:40.760
<v Speaker 1>and I don't mean self harming like whatever. I mean

1:02:40.880 --> 1:02:43.880
<v Speaker 1>like me, I could binge it or whatever, like anything

1:02:43.920 --> 1:02:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that puts me in danger. How did like, how did

1:02:46.360 --> 1:02:50.040
<v Speaker 1>you allow yourself to have that grief as far as

1:02:50.120 --> 1:02:53.600
<v Speaker 1>like not affecting your creativity or oh it did it

1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:54.680
<v Speaker 1>affect your creativity?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:55.959
<v Speaker 2>Oh man?

1:02:58.160 --> 1:03:04.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, losing Mac was very complicated, very complicated to navigate,

1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:07.560
<v Speaker 3>thank God, I had Flying Lotus there with me in

1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:12.960
<v Speaker 3>that moment, because it's like he kept me moving forward

1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:17.440
<v Speaker 3>until we both until we both till fail. It was

1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:19.560
<v Speaker 3>like we were working on the again. This was it

1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:23.640
<v Speaker 3>was very weirdly like it became this dark pit of

1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:27.800
<v Speaker 3>a hole in my life that was like it was

1:03:27.920 --> 1:03:32.840
<v Speaker 3>just like it felt like, uh, I've had a few

1:03:32.880 --> 1:03:35.640
<v Speaker 3>moments with you know, like from Austin to Meg to

1:03:35.880 --> 1:03:38.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, Zaane, to my few friends that were like

1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:43.480
<v Speaker 3>that crossed over in this manner, But this moment was

1:03:43.560 --> 1:03:47.320
<v Speaker 3>so deafening. And it wasn't just because like it was

1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:50.120
<v Speaker 3>there was my Mac that was dying, and then it

1:03:50.240 --> 1:03:52.880
<v Speaker 3>was the world's Mac that was dying, you know. I

1:03:52.880 --> 1:03:56.960
<v Speaker 3>mean there's a part where I uh, for a long time,

1:03:57.200 --> 1:03:59.080
<v Speaker 3>if I had to compare it to something, it was

1:03:59.080 --> 1:04:01.640
<v Speaker 3>like somebody through a grid made next to me and

1:04:01.680 --> 1:04:04.920
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't see straight for years and still I'm still

1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:06.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you go, it goes in waves.

1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:10.160
<v Speaker 1>How hard was it to release this song into the

1:04:10.160 --> 1:04:13.360
<v Speaker 1>world and not hang on to it for like yourself.

1:04:14.080 --> 1:04:16.800
<v Speaker 3>The reason why this felt like such the right thing

1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:20.120
<v Speaker 3>to do with this is because of what it did

1:04:20.160 --> 1:04:23.320
<v Speaker 3>for me when I would hear it, I think that

1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:25.400
<v Speaker 3>in so many places that the trauma.

1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Could like rest, which it does.

1:04:28.960 --> 1:04:31.919
<v Speaker 3>There's a part where when I heard this song, it's

1:04:31.960 --> 1:04:33.680
<v Speaker 3>like the thing where we were talking about Stanley Clark

1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:36.400
<v Speaker 3>with life is just a game. When I hear this song,

1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:41.960
<v Speaker 3>I can only see the good that we did. I

1:04:42.000 --> 1:04:45.000
<v Speaker 3>can only see the person he really was. I would

1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:49.080
<v Speaker 3>never cry hearing this. That song, to me is the Mac.

1:04:49.000 --> 1:04:52.840
<v Speaker 1>That I knew outside she knows too much.

1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like that was like I see that and the

1:04:56.960 --> 1:05:01.560
<v Speaker 3>everything from his whimsical silliness and even the message of it,

1:05:01.600 --> 1:05:04.240
<v Speaker 3>and like knowing the things around and what this was

1:05:04.360 --> 1:05:07.040
<v Speaker 3>for us, and like I'd see it and I would

1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:10.280
<v Speaker 3>see the one time I would wear a suit. We

1:05:10.320 --> 1:05:12.560
<v Speaker 3>always joked about the video. We would always be like, man,

1:05:12.560 --> 1:05:14.000
<v Speaker 3>how are we gonna shoot this video? And I was like,

1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, we get some get some ultra Goliath glasses

1:05:16.560 --> 1:05:19.000
<v Speaker 3>with like some tuxedos with the frilly shirts, and you

1:05:19.040 --> 1:05:21.560
<v Speaker 3>do the guitar and I got the bass, and you know,

1:05:21.600 --> 1:05:24.400
<v Speaker 3>we just you know, being like you know, somewhere between

1:05:24.480 --> 1:05:28.200
<v Speaker 3>David Ruffin and the Temptations and just like you know,

1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:30.920
<v Speaker 3>the It was really like this thing where we were like,

1:05:31.000 --> 1:05:35.080
<v Speaker 3>oh man, this is like this was like this Mac again.

1:05:35.080 --> 1:05:36.760
<v Speaker 3>I always I've compared him to like a one man

1:05:36.840 --> 1:05:38.520
<v Speaker 3>rat pack, you know what I mean, Like he was

1:05:38.600 --> 1:05:41.680
<v Speaker 3>the embodiment of cool with this stuff. So even in

1:05:41.720 --> 1:05:44.760
<v Speaker 3>those in this moment, for me, I only saw me

1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:46.840
<v Speaker 3>and him in the suits with the glasses, with the

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<v Speaker 3>bass and the guitar, just talking shit, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I thank you and I apologize for this long

1:05:53.440 --> 1:05:58.400
<v Speaker 1>overdue conversation. Oh man, I'm a massive, massive, massive fan

1:05:58.440 --> 1:05:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of your work, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Quest, I've been in this my whole life. I've been

1:06:01.800 --> 1:06:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a fan of your work.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I thank you for that, man, and hopefully this

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<v Speaker 1>will be the first of many conversations. I'm man Undercat,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you. This was the Quest Love Show, Thundercat our guest,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh we'll see you on the next go round,

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