1 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan Mink 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing to give you our takeaways from 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: the Ravens twenty four to nineteen loss to the Philadelphia Eagles. 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: The Ravens fall to eight and five. The Eagles have 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: now won eight straight games and are ten and two. Garrett, 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: this was a tough loss for the in a game 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: that you know, it didn't mean a ton standings wise, 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: but it was definitely a measuring stick game. Yeah, right, 9 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: this was These are two of the best teams in 10 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: their respective conferences. Some people were calling this the game 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,639 Speaker 1: of the year, a potential Super Bowl preview. Well, if 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: that was the case, Ravens fans aren't gonna be happy 13 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: in February because I thought the Eagles just kind of 14 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: flat out beat the Ravens in this one. 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that from a big picture standpoint, You're right, 16 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: NFC team Ravens are still in pretty good position, especially 17 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: for a wild card spot, and the division's not gone either. 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 2: But this is a game that you want to see, 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: how did the Ravens sack up against one of the 20 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: best in the league. They're red hot, They're coming out 21 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 2: this game they were winners of seven straight and they 22 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 2: it was a frustrating game, and I think that you 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: could really sense the frustration from the team afterwards and 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: talking to players, especially Lamar Jackson, like there was a 25 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 2: frustration because I think that the Ravens. The Ravens felt 26 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 2: like it was not the exact same of other games, 27 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: were like you feel like Maine, you had that one 28 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: right in your fingertips. But there were so many things 29 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 2: that there were things that happened. We're going to talk 30 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: through all of them that the Ravens are not used 31 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 2: to doing, relatively uncharacteristic, and they hurt them in this game. 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: And I think that the starting point is probably the 33 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 2: kicking game with Justin Tucker. 34 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's certainly the biggest storyline coming out 35 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: of this game. Two field goal misses from Tuck from 36 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: forty seven and fifty three, and he also missed an 37 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: extra point. You know, you end up losing by five 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: points and he left seven on the board, right, And 39 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: so he said after the game he felt. 40 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: Like this loss was on him. 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: John Harball said after the game that basically asked the 42 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: question for the reporter, Yeah, and said, if you're asking 43 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: me if we're going to move on from Justin Tucker. No, 44 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: I don't plan on doing that, and I don't think 45 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: it would be wise that he still believes that Justin 46 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: Tucker can make every kick. So the Ravens are at 47 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: this point. You know, he's missed ten field goals this season. 48 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: He hasn't gotten over him yet, and there's not a 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: whole lot of time left in the season. The Ravens 50 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: have been steadfast behind him in their confidence, but there's 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: there's really not a lot that. 52 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 3: You can do. You know, what do you do? 53 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: What does bringing in a kicker for a tryout do 54 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: for you? You don't have to send a message to 55 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Justin Tucker. There's no message, no message. 56 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: He feels it. 57 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: Nobody feels worse about the missus than him, And I'd 58 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: be hard pressed to think that there's a kicker just 59 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: sitting out there on his couch right now that's a 60 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 1: better kicker than Justin Tucker. 61 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 3: Clearly there's something. 62 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: Going on in his head. I think that is causing 63 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: these problems. I don't know what the answer is. Nobody does, 64 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: or they would have fixed it by now, But there's 65 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: not a simple solution. Maybe the buye, maybe just some 66 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: time off. Sometimes it just kind of catch your breath 67 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: and I don't know, maybe that helps. 68 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what the answer is, Like, I 69 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: don't know enough about kicking mechanics to fully be able 70 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 2: to diagnose what's all been going on. He missed two 71 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: more wide left today and then miss one wide right. 72 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: All of the misses up until that wide right one 73 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 2: had been wide left in this game and or in 74 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: this in this season for Tucker. And I'm sure that 75 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: there's a mental component here. You feel that pressure and 76 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: you can just see it as he goes out there 77 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: to kick and you miss him, and there's like this 78 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: face of agony for a guy that's we're used to 79 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: see and do celebrations after his kicks, and like there's 80 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: anguish in his face. 81 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: We should we. 82 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: Should note that he also made two field goals, made 83 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: a fifty yard field goal and on the Ravens opening 84 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: drive made a field goal then too. 85 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 2: Yeah he did, so it's not like everything is bad, 86 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: and that's part of the challenge, I hear. 87 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, he missed three kicks for Justin Tucker. It's the 88 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: first time in his career he's ever missed three kicks 89 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: in a game. Including extra points, So like I'm not 90 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: saying that to pretend like, hey, it's not that bad, Like, yeah, 91 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: he missed three kicks. 92 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: He missed three kicks. That's not that's not cool. 93 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's not like an acceptable level for him 94 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: or for the Ravens. And I don't. I don't, as 95 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: I was saying, like, I don't know the mechanics of 96 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: kicking to be able to diagnose exactly what is going 97 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: wrong with his swing with the operation. I do think 98 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 2: when I watch it, it seems far less natural just 99 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: watching it to me than it seems and watching him 100 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: for the last decade, it just looks different to me. 101 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: It almost looked like he was trying to punch the 102 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: ball today. It just looked different to me. And that's 103 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: like to the naked eye, what am I seeing? I 104 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: don't know. I have no idea why that is. If 105 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 2: that's part of him trying to adjust the swing because 106 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: he's not kicking as well, if he's not getting as 107 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: much on it, if he's pulling it to the left 108 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 2: because he's trying to overkick it at times, like I don't, 109 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. But to me, when I watch him kick, 110 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: it does not look as natural as it has throughout 111 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: his entire career. 112 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: I'll say two things, one being that earlier this year, 113 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, when he kept missing left, he said, hey, hey, 114 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: I just started aiming fur the right right. That was 115 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: like the in game solution that he made, and he 116 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: made that unilaterally. Yeah, he said, I'm just gonna aim 117 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: right because the ball keeps hooking left. That's not that's 118 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: the band aid. That's not what you want right. That's 119 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: like me golfing and I can't hit it down the 120 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: fairway and I say, I'm gonna aim at that house 121 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: over there, and I hope that it lands in the fairway. 122 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: It's not a good solution, right. You want to be 123 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: kicking the ball straight, and that's what the Ravens have said, 124 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,679 Speaker 1: like you want to keep the ball straight. 125 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: Now? 126 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Was he aiming further right on the one that he 127 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: missed right and then it actually just went straight. It 128 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: didn't curve left like he's been playing it. I don't know, right, 129 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 1: but you know that that's one component I think is 130 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: like it keeps moving left and he doesn't know why, 131 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: and he's trying to compensate for that. Secondly, I think 132 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: that what's going on is for the first time in 133 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: his career, Justin doesn't know where the ball is going 134 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: when it leaves his foot right, like for his entire career, 135 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: he's known when I kick this ball, it's going straight. 136 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: I like the guy aims for one light bulb on 137 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: the at one light bulb on the scoreboard, like his 138 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: aiming points are minute, yeah, right, And and he often 139 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: hits it there like he knows where the ball is 140 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: going when he kicks it. 141 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: And I see a kicker that doesn't know anymore. 142 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: And that is a difficult thing I would think to 143 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: deal with mentally and for your. 144 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: Confidence when you just don't know. 145 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: Even on the fifty yard field goal that he made, 146 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: when I looked at his face after that, I mean, 147 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: it's eyes wide and he's wondering where's this ball going? 148 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: Like is this going in or not? 149 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: And I've seen Justin Tucker hit fifty yard field goals 150 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: that are three quarters the way up the uprights with 151 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: no problem he has. 152 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: He knows he's making that kick. Yeah, I don't. 153 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: He doesn't know that he's making the kick, and he 154 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: doesn't know how the ball is gonna play off his 155 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: foot anymore. And that is I would think a difficult 156 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 1: thing to deal with as a kicker. 157 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 2: Well, the point that you just made, I think is 158 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: true as well. Today was a cold day during the game. 159 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: The temperatures they were in the high twenty so it 160 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: was a cold day. So you're not probably getting as 161 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: much on the football as you would for a game 162 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: in August, right, But I'm not seeing him. I'm used 163 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: to seeing him drill like fifty yard field goals deep 164 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: into the net. You're like, oh, that would have been 165 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 2: good from seventy And that's like the joke. The field 166 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 2: goals left or right, they just didn't have as much 167 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: on them as I'm used to seeing from him. I 168 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: don't know if that's part of the weather and it's 169 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 2: later in the season the ball doesn't travel far as 170 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: in December, but still it just is not getting as 171 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: much leg on the ball. 172 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: The yard looked like it might be short. 173 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I used to see him fifty yard, you know, 174 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: for a guy who set has the record for the 175 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: longest field going a game. 176 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: Six sixty. 177 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: I used to honestly both on the fifty yard field goals, 178 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: I was like, is that gonna make it? Is that 179 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 2: gonna make it? Okay? And so that's just a total change. 180 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: And I go back to what I said where it 181 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: looks like he's almost punching the ball and it's not 182 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 2: coming off his foot the way that I'm used to 183 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: seeing throughout his career. So it's it definitely costs the 184 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: Ravens in this game. And as you mentioned, John Harball 185 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: made the point afterwards, we're not looking to replace Justin Tucker, 186 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: the planning to stick with him. Also, multiple players in 187 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: the locker room, especially Lamar Jackson, so stood up for 188 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 2: Tucker said. Lamar said, I still think he's a goat 189 00:07:58,280 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: and I have. When he was asked, you still have calm, 190 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: he can get back to the level of kicking the 191 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: used to seeing, he said, hell yeah, I absolutely have 192 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 2: that confidence. So I do think in the locker room 193 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: there's still his confidence in Tucker, and it sounds like 194 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 2: he's gonna be the guys continued, continue to be the 195 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: guy moving forward. That's what John Harbaugh said. 196 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: I don't think. 197 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's gonna say otherwise. Also, right, like 198 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: who's gonna be like, nah, I've lost confidence. Nobody's gonna 199 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: say that, Yeah, right, And but like the fact of 200 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: the matter is, like you have a pit in your 201 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: stomach now, you know, you go out there and you're 202 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: at the thirty thirty thirty five and you're like, ah, 203 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: do you go for it here? 204 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: Do you go for it on fourth down? Do you not? 205 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 3: You kicking this? You know? Now? 206 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: Like also they know he's a professional, and and like 207 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: I do think that that confidence is rooted in something real. 208 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah right, but like, yeah, they're gonna. 209 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: Always have their guys back, like nobody's gonna you know 210 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: what I mean. So, but the fact that that doesn't 211 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: change the fact of the matter that the Ravens legitimately they. 212 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: Have a problem. They have a problem on their hands. 213 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 3: Is the problem, and don't I don't know. 214 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: There's just not an easy solution to the problem other 215 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: than Justin working his way out of it. 216 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, that I see. I mean, do you I think 217 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: that's when you see another solution. 218 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: I think that that's basically what it is. Justin has 219 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 2: to work his way out of it. As I said, 220 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: I don't know the mechanics are the kicking, but he 221 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: has to be the one to fix it. Him and 222 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: the whole operation mcmore, Jordan Stout and unless the Ravens 223 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 2: are bringing in another kicker. But I agree with you. 224 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 2: I don't know that there's necessarily somebody out there that 225 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 2: you can just come in here and be better than Tucker, 226 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: even though he's struggling right now. Tucker has obviously a 227 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: long history of being great, has not been great this season, 228 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 2: and today was a really tough day for him. But 229 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: the Ravens I still think, I think that their confidence 230 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 2: in him is more than lip service because they're sticking 231 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 2: with him. They're putting the money where their mouth is 232 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: and they're saying and John Harples saying, our plan is 233 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: to move forward with Justin. 234 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: Tucker is our kicker. 235 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: We're not looking to move on from him. So that 236 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 2: confidence is still there and he just has to figure 237 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 2: it out. And to be honest, the special teams unit 238 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: as a whole today did not have a good day. 239 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: It was it was Tylan Wallace had a tough day 240 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: as a punt returner. He muffed, He muffed one, fumbled another. 241 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: He got both those backs, so they didn't actually hurt 242 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: the Ravens really other than field position. But you don't 243 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: like to see your put your punt return and put 244 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: the ball on the ground and then separate and apart 245 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 2: from from coughing the ball up. He also let too 246 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: many drop and that pinned the Ravens back either at 247 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 2: the five and the one yard line on different drives, 248 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: and those are not things you want to see on 249 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: special teams. Jordan Stout had a shank today that ended 250 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 2: up rolling and being not a terrible punt, but you 251 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: don't want to see the ball come off the side 252 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: of your foot. 253 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: Yeahs there. 254 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: And there was another one that was a forty seven 255 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: yard line drive, yeah, where they had a ten or 256 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: eleven yard return. 257 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: I mean, that's not a good punt at all. 258 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, just as a whole, really tough day for the 259 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: special teams unit. 260 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's honestly, it's been a 261 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: theme too often this season. It just has that, you know, 262 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: whether it be penalties, whether it be you know that 263 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: back you up on returns. It it just has not 264 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: been a good special team's year quite frankly, you know, 265 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: for the Ravens have set a very high bar special 266 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: teams wise, as a unit, they have not played up 267 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: to that standard this year. 268 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 2: Now. Also today, the offense kind of a weird game 269 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: because we all came into it saying if the offense 270 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: can start fast. That's the recipe to get this thing rolling. 271 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: That's that's been the problem. All they need to do 272 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: is start getting the ball rolling downhill and then there's 273 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 2: no stopping the group. Well, they came out this game. 274 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: They scored on the first two possessions. Tucker missed the 275 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: extra point of the second one touchdown right, and so 276 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 2: it's nine to nothing and the defense is playing well. 277 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: The offense scores on the first two drives, and you're like, Okay, 278 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: here we go. There's the fast start we've been waiting for. 279 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: Like the Ravens are in control of this game. Early on, 280 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 2: it honestly felt like that they're stopping Saguon Barkley. The 281 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 2: defense is playing was balling. 282 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: Like it was like, all right, it's time to run 283 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: away with this thing, and and they just didn't. You know, 284 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: it really came down to kind of two sloppy drives. 285 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: Lamar and Isaiah likely look like they just had some 286 00:11:55,679 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: kind of miscommunication. Likely was wide open. Lamar threw it over, 287 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, overthrew them yep. For whatever reason, whether that's 288 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: on Isaiah. 289 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: Or Lamar, I don't know. 290 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: Then you know, Lamar's kicking himself for that one. Very 291 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: next snap, he kind of fumbles the snap the you know, 292 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: it doesn't get in Derrick Henry's stomach, fumble balls on 293 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: the ground. 294 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: Okay, that drives done, yep. 295 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: You know, next drive, Ravens are backed up deep against 296 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: their own end zone. But it looks like they had 297 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: a chance to work their way out of it. But 298 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: Lamar throws the ball at Zay Flowers feet. Right, So 299 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: now you're punning again quick three and out and you're 300 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: putting from your own end zone instead of potentially moving 301 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: the chains. And even if you just get out of 302 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: the shadow your own end zone for field position for 303 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: some confidence, but you ground one at his feet. Now, 304 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Lamar in the offense is kind 305 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: of in a funk. 306 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the in the second quarter was just not good. 307 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: They again, they they opened the game nine to nothing. 308 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 2: You're feeling you're feeling pretty good. 309 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's their first time scoring on their opening 310 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: drives since I believe Week five. 311 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then they only get three points basically the 312 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: rest of the game until that Isaiah likely touchdown with 313 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: three seconds left in the game. So you get nine 314 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 2: points the first two drives and then basically three points 315 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 2: the rest of the way and that's not going to 316 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: be good enough. Even though the defenses we're going to 317 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: talk about had a much better day and I think 318 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 2: that they're looking better, but you need to put up 319 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: more points. And I think, well, and. 320 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Part part of it, obviously for the offense. They would 321 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: have put up more points had it not been for 322 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: the miss field goals. Yes, have six of those. 323 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: But you could tell. 324 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 2: I thought it was a kind of interesting press conference 325 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: from Lamar Jackson after the game. We all know that 326 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 2: he is his own toughest critic and gets mad when 327 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: the team loses, like that's been the case throughout his career, 328 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 2: but to me, it just seemed he seemed really frustrated 329 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: and he took accountability himself, but you could feel his frustration, 330 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: and I thought it was an interesting point when someone 331 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: asked him about how do you feel about where the 332 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: Steelers are and where you rank, and he's like, we 333 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: don't need to worry about the Steelers. We need to 334 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 2: worry about what we got going on. We need to 335 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: fix the things that are bothering us right now. We 336 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: need to clean up these issues. That's what we need 337 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: to focus on. We don't need worry about anybody else. 338 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: And I thought that was a pretty strong statement from him, 339 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: and you could sense his frustration in the press conference. 340 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: But I thought it was like, is if there's good 341 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: frustration And honestly felt that way to me that it 342 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 2: felt like this is he's a leader of the team, 343 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 2: and he's taking accountability as an individual and from a 344 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 2: team standpoint. I thought that frustration spoke to the way 345 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 2: that the expectations that he and this team have and 346 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 2: I liked it. I liked his press conference. 347 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I liked it too. 348 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I think also you can tell the frustration 349 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: by the fact that his press conference was held much 350 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: much later than it usually is. He took it some 351 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: extra time to kind of shower, get right, get his 352 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: thoughts together, talk to some players, you know. 353 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: So I'm talking to Mark Andrews for a. 354 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 1: While after the game in the locker room, just the 355 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: two of them. Yeah, I mean, I think he also 356 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: talked about his mom accountability. He's getting getting it from 357 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: his mother, who he said cust him out after. 358 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 3: The game for not running enough. 359 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: That he had more running WANs he should have taken 360 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: advantage of and didn't, and so he's getting it from 361 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: all sides you're getting from mom after the game. And so, 362 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody takes losses harder than Lamar Jackson and 363 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: certainly is frustrated by Yeah, I mean the offense. It's 364 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: been the number one offense in the league. So there's 365 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: not a whole lot to nitpick here. But the past 366 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: three games if not been clean by any stretch. You know, 367 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: the Steelers game was not a good offensive day at all. 368 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: Got off to a slow start against the Chargers. Eventually 369 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: kind of got it going and exploded, but slow start. 370 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: And then today you get off to a good start 371 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: and then it completely fizzles. I mean I shouldn't say completely, 372 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: because they were moving the ball somewhat. 373 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, It wasn't like it was just it was. 374 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 3: It really wasn't. 375 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: So the challenge part of it was some really bad situations. 376 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: Lamar took two sacks to push him back in field 377 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: goal opportunities, which are really tough plays and you're trying 378 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: to extend plays and make something happen and look down 379 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: the field. But he took two sacks that were not 380 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: great sacks, and then that made long field goal attempts 381 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: and you end up being in these situations where you 382 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: get nothing on these pretty long drives. 383 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 3: Right, yep. 384 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 385 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: And the third quarter, third quarter was crazy where it's 386 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: like the Ravens had the ball the entire third quarter, 387 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: it felt like, and they got nothing out of it. 388 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: And you're like, wait, how did that happen? You just 389 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: completely dominated the third quarter from a yards and time 390 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 2: possession standpoint, and you and it's goose eggs on the scoreboard. 391 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 2: That makes no sense. And so they didn't they in 392 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: the second quarter. It was basically those drives sputtered by 393 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 2: some of the miscues that they had that you went through. 394 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: And then the third quarter they didn't finish the drives. 395 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: Yep, and and took some bad sacks. 396 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 3: Yes, and so. 397 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: All of that combined led to this this offensive showing. 398 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it certainly looked like Lamar Jackson did not 399 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: have a lot of confidence in his protection. Today we've talked, 400 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, we talked this week about how good the 401 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: offensive line has been, and it has been not you know, 402 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: this this game, I think is a step backwards in 403 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: a little bit in a way for the offensive line 404 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: because Lamar just didn't have he was just not confident back. 405 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: There wasn't stepping and throwing was kind of scrambling around. 406 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean the interior pressure of the Eagles. And you 407 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: got to give the Eagles credit. I mean, they have 408 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: a really, really good defensive line. This was a tough assignment, 409 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: and I thought the Eagles won that assignment. 410 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they won the last scrimmage and they came into 411 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: the game with the best defensive football and they looked 412 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 2: like it today. They looked like a dominant defense. They 413 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 2: were physical, they were getting pressure on the quarterback, they 414 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 2: were tackling well up there. 415 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you got like even the plays, a number 416 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: of the plays the Ravens made. I mean the touchdown 417 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: catch by Mark Andrews was a phenomenal throw, phenomenal catch tight. 418 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: I mean you're in the middle of three defenders, right, 419 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: that was not easy by any stretch. That was a 420 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: phenomenal play on Lamar and Mark's part. Catch by Isaiah 421 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: likely in garbage time at the end of the game, 422 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: just a perfect throw, perfect catch. 423 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Right. 424 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: So like the Eagles secondary, I thought played well without 425 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: Darius Slay, one of their best cornerbacks, a six time 426 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: Pro bowler, and and uh, yeah, they're tough. 427 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 3: They're they're a tough defense. 428 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: But that's the disappointing part of this game was you 429 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: went into it to say, we're a good team. 430 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 3: We know they're a tough team. 431 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: They're a good team too, who's gonna win And the 432 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 1: Eagles were the better team and so that that's what's frustrating, 433 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: And that's what I think is leading this team to 434 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: be like we. 435 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 3: Got our own stuff. 436 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: We got stuff to take care of here, Like we 437 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: gotta get better because put Steelers aside, winning the AFC 438 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: North aside, all that stuff, Like even if we make 439 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: the playoffs, we're gonna have to win beat teams like this. Yeah, 440 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: you got have to win games like this. And like, 441 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 1: you know, you already lost the Steelers. That's another good team. 442 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: You beat the Chargers last week. So let's like not 443 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: get carried away and say the Ravens haven't had a 444 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: good win. They've had a number of them, beat the 445 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: Bills early in the year, all that stuff. But like, 446 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: this was a sobering game when you think about, all right, 447 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: is this team destined for a super Bowl? 448 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: This was kind of a sobering one. 449 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,119 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that with this team, just based on 450 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: where they've been. Part of the part of the every 451 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: game goes through the the prism of can you get 452 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: it done in January and February. That's just based on 453 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: where this team has been, and so when you lose 454 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 2: a game, especially against a good team, the narrative becomes 455 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 2: maybe you can't get it done in those situations. I 456 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: don't necessarily think that what happens today is going to 457 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: be an indication of what happens in January, but I 458 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 2: think that there are issues that the team has to 459 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: clean up in all three phases if they're going to 460 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 2: be a team that makes a deep playoff. 461 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 3: Fine, yeah, I agree. 462 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: You know me, I'm gonna get in the dance guy, Well, 463 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: of course I'm gonna get in the dance to see 464 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: what happens kind of guy. Right, But I think the 465 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: conversation is all fair, right, and I think it's definitely 466 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: fair to say that Ravens have to get better if 467 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: they're gonna be teams like this, they have to. And 468 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: the sad part is like, the defense is getting better. Yeah, 469 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: I think the defense is getting better, and they just. 470 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: Haven't put it together. 471 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 1: Really early in the game. The first two drives they 472 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: put it together. 473 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 3: Both were playing well. At the same time. 474 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 2: We were like all right, here we go. 475 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: But they like have not. 476 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: Consistently been able to put it together on both sides 477 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: of the ball. So we're gonna take a break and 478 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: when we come back, Hey, let's talk about that defense. 479 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: I'm starting to get hot a little bit. 480 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, you're listening to the Lage podcast. We 481 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 2: are coming chief in the Sekiek studio. We also want 482 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: to mention our partners with Draft Kings Sportsbook. They are 483 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 2: an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens Draft 484 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: Kings Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So the defense, I 485 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,719 Speaker 2: do think that they have turned a corner. You go 486 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 2: back the last three games, it has been a much 487 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: different story compared to what we saw in the first 488 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: half of the season, and that's that is encouraging. And 489 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 2: I thought that today's test was really the best of 490 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 2: the bunch because this offense, led by Saquon Barkley, was 491 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 2: the best offense of the last three games Steelers Chargers 492 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 2: and now this offense, and so I think it was 493 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,479 Speaker 2: kind of a question mark, are we gonna is what 494 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 2: we saw in the last two games a mirage or 495 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: is that here to stay? And I think that the 496 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: defense did show some really good strides. Marlon Humphrey talked 497 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: about this after the game. He said he really pointed 498 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: to the mindset aspect and basically said the players and 499 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 2: the coaches had to take a tough look in the 500 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 2: mirror and basically look at how they were playing. Then 501 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: said that they had and if you weren't playing up 502 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 2: to snuff and you weren't playing with the right mindset, 503 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: you were gonna be standing on the sidelines, so Marlon said, 504 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: And the Ravens have made some changes, particularly in the 505 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: secondary from a playing time standpoint, and I think that 506 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 2: that is help the Sea. And they cut Eddie Jackson, 507 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: so they've made some significant changes and I think it's 508 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: working out well. And that's the thing. Like the Chargers 509 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: in this the Chargers the Eagles in this game, they 510 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 2: aren't doing much of anything. In the first quarter. They 511 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: got they didn't even get a third a first down 512 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: in the third quarter, and you're like, the and Saquon 513 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: Barkley really had not much room to work. 514 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: Eagles punned on their first four offensive possession. 515 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, first four punts and the place three plays, three plays, 516 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 2: four place and you're like, you're feeling really good about 517 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: it in this game. 518 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 3: This game is built. 519 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: It's like the running back resurgence game. And the Ravens 520 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: and Henry had a relatively quiet game too, But the 521 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 2: Ravens held Saquon Barkley and Check up until that fourth 522 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: quarter where we ripped off a twenty five yard run 523 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: and that was one, Yeah, twenty five yard touchdown run 524 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: that really put the game, made it a two score game, 525 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 2: and based on the way the offense is played, it 526 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 2: felt like that was kind of the nail on the 527 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 2: coffin a little bit. 528 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it did. 529 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a shame because I agree with you. 530 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: I do think the defense played better. You know, there's 531 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: spurts where AJ Brown kind of got loose and they 532 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: really had. 533 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 3: A tough time stopping him. 534 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: He caught five balls for sixty six yards on six targets. 535 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: But like, all right, if I'm going in this game, 536 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 1: you say a J. Brown gets five for sixty six 537 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 1: and no touchdowns, Yeah, sign young, I'll take that right. 538 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 2: Honestly, the yard you look at him like Jalen hurts 539 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 2: one hundred eight eteen right exactly. And honestly, when you 540 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: told me Saquon runs for one oh seven, I'm like 541 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 2: all right, Like, yeah, I'm kind of okay with that, right, 542 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 2: Like Saquon Barkley, I agree that the twenty five yard 543 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: touchdown was nail on the coffin, but he didn't kill 544 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 2: the Ravens. No, Like, you know, Empty Bank Stadium there, 545 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: the MVP chances were for. 546 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 3: Saquon in this stadium, you know. 547 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: And and I think he was the best offensive player 548 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: probably on the field tonight. You know, he outshined Lamar 549 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: and the outshine Derrick Henry. 550 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: You know. 551 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: So, but I do think that the Ravens defense, for 552 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: the most part, did a pretty darn good job against them. 553 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's part of the thing that's so frustrating 554 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: when you go through those stats and you're like, I 555 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 2: take that. I take that. The Ravens out gained the 556 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 2: Eagles three hundred and seventy two yards to two hundred 557 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 2: and fifty two yards. They had seventy one plays compared 558 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 2: to them, like they. 559 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: Were turning the ball over. They didn't have a huge 560 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: penalty problem. 561 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 3: So you're like, where what happened? 562 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: How did you lose this game? You outgained them by 563 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty yards and you had twenty more 564 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: snaps than them like what happened here, right, And basically it. 565 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: Was the ball and then the team had a turnover. 566 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: It was and the Eagles had four more penalties. 567 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it basically was the miss field gals and 568 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: not being able to punch it in. They settled for 569 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 2: fieldals and then you didn't make them. Yeah, that's that's 570 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: what it really came down to for the Ravens and 571 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: this loss. 572 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, and that it is frustrating when when 573 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 1: you move the ball into scoring range and you just 574 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Raves have been their best red zone 575 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: team in the league. 576 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 3: It wasn't really a red their own problem the first drive. 577 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: They settled for a field goal instead of touchdown once 578 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: they got down there. But mostly it was you kind 579 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: of sputter between the fifty and the twenty. 580 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like the mid that mid that mid 581 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: twenty to forty range. 582 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: It just didn't go well, which when you have a 583 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: kicker that's kind of struggling, is a recipe for disaster. 584 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and that's what hurt the Ravens in this game. 585 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: But I do just moving forward, I think that this 586 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: I'm encouraged by what this defense, the way this defense 587 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 2: is playing and we were saying earlier this year the 588 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 2: defense which was like the third which was the thirty 589 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: second best defense against the pass, if you could just 590 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: be a middle of the road defense. The Ravens have 591 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: the offense that they could they could win the whole thing. 592 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 2: And I still feel that way, evenail the offense didn't 593 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 2: have the best days today, So I am encouraged by 594 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 2: what we're seeing from the defensive side of the ball. 595 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 2: A couple other notes here. One is Rashad Bateman. He 596 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 2: left the game with a knee injury, and John Harbaugh 597 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: did not have anything more to say on that timeline. Sure, 598 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 2: he said his knee was sore, but did not have 599 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: any specifics on what the injury is or timeline or 600 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: anything like that. Yep, if it's a really major injury, 601 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 2: typically that gets now after a game. But who knows. 602 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the status of that is. 603 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he. 604 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: Didn't play, wasn't stopped for an injury, you know where 605 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: trainers came out. I think he limped off the field 606 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: in the third quarter was ruled out soon thereafter. So 607 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: usually you don't have a guy limp off the field 608 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: if it's a major, major knee injury. Right, but that's 609 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: right all conjecture exactly. We don't know what the nature 610 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: of that is. 611 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 2: And then the other interesting note of the receiver position, 612 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: So Bateman Lee is but Deontay Johnson did not play 613 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: in this game. He was suited up, but he never 614 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 2: took any snaps in this game. And John Harball was 615 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 2: asked about that after the game and said that I'm 616 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: gonna have more of a comment on that later on. 617 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: I need to get more information. So it did not 618 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: really provide specifics as to what was going on there, 619 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 2: but sounded like there could be more on that front 620 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 2: on the horizon. 621 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lamar Jackson said, you know, we need Deontay, 622 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: so we don't know. That's another one that's a question 623 00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: mark coming out of this game. 624 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and just big picture wise, I said it off 625 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: the top. I know it's disappointing. You don't want to 626 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 2: lose this game, and this isn't just glass half full. 627 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: I still think the Ravens are in good position when 628 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: it comes to the playoff picture. 629 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: They have their their their playoff chances did not decrease 630 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 1: really much at all. Yeah, by virtue of this loss, 631 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: they're still. 632 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 3: I think in the mid nineties. 633 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're They're a really good position from a 634 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: wildcard standpoint. Look, the Steelers look pretty darn good today. 635 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 2: They put up a ton of points. They had their 636 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: best offensive game of the season. So they're looking up 637 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: at the The Ravens are looking up at the Steelers 638 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,639 Speaker 2: right now. Of course, still have that game here a 639 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 2: few weeks a few weeks from now, but they've got 640 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: to work. As as Lamar Jackson said, they need to 641 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 2: worry about themselves. And I do think talking about THEE, 642 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: I do think that the bye week it's been when 643 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: you have a buy this late in the season, which 644 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: is such a late buy, I think this team just 645 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: needs it. I think they need it. 646 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: Of course it felt like that late in this game. 647 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: It felt like the Ravens they need to buy. 648 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 3: They need to buy. And you know. 649 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 2: Everyone always says the buye comes at a perfect time, 650 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: whether it's week one or week seventeen. 651 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: I think it was all so. I think it was 652 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: also difficult. You're coming West Coast Monday night game, coming 653 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: back flying from LA and you haven't had your buy yet. 654 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: Like this is a team that's already pretty physically exhausted 655 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: and you're coming back from that trip now at the 656 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: end of the day, Like, that's not really an excuse 657 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna hold much water, Like is it real? 658 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: Sure? 659 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a factor. Is that the factor 660 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: that beat them tonight? 661 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: No Eagles did the same thing that a day in advance, 662 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: but they made the same trip on Sunday night and they. 663 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 3: Were on one. 664 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they had one extra day, but they came back 665 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: Sunday night right from. 666 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 2: From the same place, the same stadium, same place. So 667 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 2: I think I do again. I think that the seam 668 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: is in good position. The buye I think is really needed, mentally, physically, 669 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,959 Speaker 2: all those things just you need to buy. I think 670 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: this team needs to take a week away reset and 671 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: then get ready for the stretcher perfect Everyone says it. 672 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: Everyone says it every year, no matter when it is. 673 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: But this this team felt like they need a bye week, 674 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: and I think that's going to be good for this team. 675 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 2: So we're going to continue to bring you the content 676 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: over the course of this week, so stay tuned for 677 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: more to come over the next few days. Thank you 678 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: so much for listening. 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