1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huddle on giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go on the Giants, Let Him, 3 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Let the Giants Podcast. Welcome to the newest edition of 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: the Giant Huttle Podcast. It's our yearly writer's round table 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,240 Speaker 1: with three of the best beat writers in the business. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Tom Rock from Usday, Paul Schwartz in the New York Post, 7 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 1: and our stable did it from the Record, I am 8 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: John Schmelt and guys, it's a weird offseason. We all 9 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: survived at the regular season is here, and I guess 10 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: we're all better for it. Maybe your thoughts, George, thank 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: you for having us. I could you hear me? Okay? 12 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: Is this on? Am? I off mute? We you know, 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 1: I guess we did survive. And if this zoom uh, 14 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: you know this zoom meeting is taking place right because 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: I think we've all had our headaches over it. Yes, 16 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: and it's working. And Tom, when we started there and 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: this has been a weird offseason, how has it been 18 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: covering the team? And you know, how is kind of 19 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: your knowledge now different this year than maybe it has 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: been in other years, because I know from my perspective, 21 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: you know, a chance, you know, just talk to these guys, 22 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: you know, casually, like like we're doing years past, right, 23 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: There's no there's no fly by conversations. So what happens 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: is we got a lot of access to the top 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: tier names, the marquee players on this roster, not a 26 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: lot of talk with with the with the guys at 27 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: the bottom. I mean, you know, you have a guy 28 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: like Davante down to maybe playing a big role in 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: in the team this season on the defense, and I 30 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: don't think anybody's spoken to him yet since you know, 31 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: since training camp started. So uh, there's there's a lot 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: of um uh, there's a lot of unturned stones here. 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: And one of the biggest ones I think though, is 34 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 1: Joe Judge and what he's gonna what he's gonna do. 35 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: You know, he's he's very talkative when he talks about 36 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: his philosophy and his procedures and and and why he 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: does certain things and and that's great, but it's gonna 38 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: be very very interesting to see how he actually functions 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: as a head coach in terms of what how he 40 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: makes his decisions both this uh, for the roster trims 41 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: and for game days. Yea, or let's talk about that, 42 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: you know what do you think will be the top 43 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: thing that you'll be keeping an eye on when the 44 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Giants at the field on Monday Night football against the Steelers, 45 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: Because we really don't have any sense of this team. 46 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: We even seen him play against anyone other than themselves, 47 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: and nothing in in a live situation. So what will 48 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: you be watching when this team, you know, kind of 49 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: takes the feel for the first time against the Steeler. 50 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: What's your top priority? You know, it's funny because we've 51 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: taken you know, three and a half four weeks of 52 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: the summer, and the old sports adages, trust your eyes, 53 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: trust what you're seeing. But I think this year, more 54 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: than ever covering the NFL, we think we know what 55 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: we're seeing, but we don't really know. And what I 56 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: mean by that is you've got guys running around. You 57 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: think you're seeing certain guys in certain positions. Like Tom said, 58 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: you know you're you're watching guys out on the field, 59 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: a guy like Davante Downs and you say, boy, I 60 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: didn't expect to see him on the field as much 61 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: as I'm seeing him on the field. And then the 62 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 1: roster cuts come, and then you get into the week 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: one of the regular season and you get to Pittsburgh 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: and you say, wait a minute, this wasn't exactly how 65 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: I thought this team was going to look on opening night. 66 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: So I think really the main thing is to me 67 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: the offensive line. I know we always go back to that, 68 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: but have has a rookie like Andrew Thomas played well 69 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: suffered through growing pains this summer? Uh? Are they testing 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: him as much as they need to be tested to 71 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: prepare for Pittsburgh? Uh? Is Nick Gates going to be 72 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: the guy at center? And if he is, is are 73 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: the positives that we saw from him in the summer 74 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: actually positives or is it just one of those things 75 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: that we think we're seeing what we want to see 76 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: rather than seeing what the coaches are seeing when they 77 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: start breaking down the film. If well, we've all seen 78 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: this before, right, You show up the camp, some guys great, 79 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, you get in your first 80 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: Priestason game, You're like, oh boy, maybe you were just 81 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: playing against somebody that wasn't all that good. That's right, 82 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: that that's why Victor Cruz was Victor Cruz. Right, We've 83 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: all covered a bunch of any camps, and I'm sure 84 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: all of us. I could probably speak for all of 85 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: us when to say, you know, our takeaway was not 86 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: boy we had We saw a lot of great guards 87 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: out there. We were really impressed with them. I mean, 88 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: you see a lot of receivers in these training camps 89 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: in the summer, running around in various degrees of shorts 90 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: and shells, and you say, that guy catches everything. That 91 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: guy makes all the plays. You know, you see the 92 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: seven on sevens, You see these receivers, and then you 93 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: get in that first preseason game and bang, where where 94 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, you look in your notes, where was he? 95 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: Where was he? You know, he didn't catch anything. All 96 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: of a sudden they're pressing with the line of scrimmage. 97 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: He kind of goes into back, Like I said, that's 98 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: why Victor Cruze. But we saw make some plays in 99 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: the summer and Albany, and all of a sudden he 100 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: explodes and and and he makes the team because of 101 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: the preseason. So I think we'll all riding a little 102 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: blind here. As far as you know, we would have 103 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: seen in these four preseason games that weren't played, these 104 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: couple of guys. Check check, he disappeared, he disappeared. We 105 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: don't really know that the scrimmages were only good for 106 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: so much, and we're we're even more blind John, because 107 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: this is a team that's gonna change from week one 108 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: to week two. Because that's the way Joe Judge functions, 109 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: that's the way Patrick Graham functions. You know, They're they're 110 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: gonna look one way in week one and we're gonna say, Okay, 111 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: these are the Giants, and then they're gonna come out 112 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: in Week two against the Bears and we're gonna say, well, 113 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: this is a completely different team too. So it's it's 114 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very curious. It's gonna be hard to 115 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: keep up with with with the trying to define the 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: personality of these Giants, you know, and are To Tom's point, 117 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: I think he makes a good one. When you go 118 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: to week one, now you have one disadvantage, and that 119 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: the Giants are young team learning a new system, no offseason, 120 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: all that stuff we talked about a million times. Then 121 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: you have the Steelers who are veteran you know that Roethlisberger, Toma, 122 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: they've been there forever. But the Giants know exactly what 123 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: the Steelers are gonna do. The Steelers have no idea 124 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: what the Giants are going did do, So how do 125 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: you kind of weigh those two advantages for these two 126 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: very different types of teams heading into the season where 127 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 1: you acknowledge and experience, maybe they'll be better execution in Pittsburgh, 128 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: but the lot more of an unknown with what the 129 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: Giants are gonna do with their new young players and 130 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: their new coordineers and coaching staff. Well, I would I 131 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: would guarantee that Mike Tomlin and his coaching staff have 132 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: worn out Cowboys film a Dolphins film from last season. 133 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: I would think that that's what they've been perusing and 134 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: trying to get ready and try to pick up some 135 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: tendencies for the Giants. But you know, you're you're right. 136 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: I mean we do see that. You know, we talked 137 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: about it. Look, we all know this is a team 138 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 1: now on its third new head coach. So for all 139 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: the talk about the Giants excuse me being the unknown, 140 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,280 Speaker 1: well it really hasn't benefited them. Uh. It did what 141 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: Ben mculdo his first season when they won the opener 142 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: in Dallas, but it certainly did not benefit Pat Rummer 143 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: and his opener when he became head coach. So as 144 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: much as that unknown helps to an extent um, I 145 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: don't know to the degree that it will help. And 146 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: I do think for all the talk about young coaches 147 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: and new coaches and new systems, a lot out the 148 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: coaches took different avenues to prepare for this season because 149 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: of all the the guidelines, the restrictions that they had 150 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: to take. We're going to find out in Week one 151 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: who did the right things to get ready and maybe 152 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: not necessarily did the right things. I do think that, 153 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, it's possible that a veteran team like Pittsburgh 154 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: approached something that that approach in Week one when they 155 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: hit the field, it didn't work as well as they 156 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: thought it would because they did different things in the preseason, 157 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: whereas maybe a young team like Joe Judge is Giants 158 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: the fighting Joe Josh is maybe they did the right 159 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: things in preparing and they chose properly, uh and they 160 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: are more prepared than a veteran team because of just 161 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: the way they went about getting to Week one. So that, 162 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: to me, is is the biggest unknown I think we 163 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: kind of have to deal with. You know, Paul, this 164 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: is a question I got ask I think that Joe 165 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: Judge at some point it was definitely asked the Dave 166 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: Gentleman and John Mara, And you know, for the two 167 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: guys that you know, forget them in to Marror especially, 168 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: they were asked whether or not the unique circumstances will 169 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: change how they look and judge in this season, like 170 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: do you allow for a longer runway so everyone kind 171 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: of gets settled and you look at this season a 172 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: different way given the off season, And both guys said, obviously, 173 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: you want to win games, that's the most important thing. 174 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, you have to understand that, you know, you 175 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: might be figuring things out early against a very tough 176 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: early schedule. Five teams that return a lot of their 177 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: players and coaches from the previous year. Cowboys, new head coach, 178 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:31,559 Speaker 1: same offensive coordinator. So how do you view the season 179 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: in terms of getting started and where you expect this 180 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: team to be early and just how you kind of 181 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: want to judge from a big picture perspective, how the 182 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: season should go for it to be a success. I 183 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: don't judge it much differently, I really don't. You know, 184 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: if there was no pandemic right, which would have been 185 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: a great thing, would any of us been sitting here 186 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: and with the outside world have been saying, I think 187 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: the Giants are could win the NFC East, right. I 188 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: think that everyone's thinking the Giants or what the Giants are, 189 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: they were a second division, uh team that that will 190 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: struggle to win as many games as they lose. Now, 191 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: the pandemic has nothing to do with that. We I 192 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: don't think anybody knows what affect all these crazy protocols 193 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: will have on anybody. As Art said, maybe the Steelers 194 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: have a huge advantage because they're a veteran team. Maybe 195 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: they have a huge disadvantage because they're a veteran team 196 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: and they did things the same way versus Joe Judge. 197 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: There is no same way with Joe Judge. He's a 198 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: younger guy, maybe more adjustment on the fly. So I 199 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: don't think, you know, I don't buy this whole thing 200 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: where people say you have to give Joe Judge a pass. Now, okay, 201 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: all this craziness happened, he gets a past this first year. 202 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: It doesn't work that way. I think the expectations you 203 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: have for this team are the expectations. Now we'll see 204 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 1: how the ride goes. If it's incredibly bumpy, if this 205 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: work stoppages, if uh, you know, God forbid this. This 206 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: is this outbreaks and now teams can't play. Look, we 207 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be a survival of the 208 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Finish Store, it's gonna be a fairly normal season. There's 209 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: no fans for most of these games in the stands. 210 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: All these are new factors. But I think you judge 211 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: the foot Bowl and you judge Joe Judge as a 212 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: football coach. And as Tom Rock said earlier, once those 213 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: lights go on Monday night, we don't know about Joe Judge. 214 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: We will find out Monday night. We know a lot 215 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: about him. But all the good stuff, the heavy stuff, 216 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: you know, we've had a little appetizers here. The big 217 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: meal is yet to be served with Joe Judge. Yeah, 218 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: you know what, the old axiom is right, and you know, 219 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: the fights great and your plans in place that you 220 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: get punched in the face and then you gotta see 221 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: everyone reacts after that. And playing football, it's every time 222 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: you go out there, it's really a big punch in 223 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: the face. Tom expectations for Daniel Jones, um and use 224 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: your thoughts heading into the year having to learn a 225 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: new system in this manner of third offense and third years. 226 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: You know, But really, if you want to look at 227 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: the season at least the way I look at it, 228 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is the most important thing, because even if 229 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: the team doesn't happen to win a lot of games, 230 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones fixes a lot of his issues and 231 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: plays extremely well, it bodes well for the future of 232 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: the franchise. You're absolutely right. I mean, he's he's the 233 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 1: centerpiece of this season and his progress is going to 234 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: be how this season is measured. So if he if 235 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: he comes out and he takes a step backwards off 236 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: of his rookie season, then you're gonna say, well, where 237 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: where are we now as a franchise? Right? But if 238 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: he takes the next step, and even if they don't 239 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: win those games, but he's he's playing well, I think 240 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna say, Okay, the future is right here. We 241 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: got we got something. Let's let's go with this. Uh, 242 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 1: it's gonna be very interesting. You know, about halfway through 243 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: training camp, I wasn't so sure. You know, I was 244 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: watching him. You know, he didn't look sharp, he didn't 245 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: look like he knew what he was doing. But then 246 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: the last the last couple of days, the last couple 247 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: of practices, man, it seemed like it clicked. I don't 248 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: know if that's going to carry over into the regular season, 249 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: but uh, you know, it sure looks like a lot 250 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: closer to what you would think a second year quarterback 251 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: would look like. Throwing to a bunch of receivers who, 252 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: to be honest, most of them were his teammates last 253 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 1: year and he's and he's had a relationship with them 254 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: and it work a work relationship and has had success 255 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: with them. So I think that that helps him, that 256 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: he knows those seevers, and I think it's gonna be um, 257 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, like you said, it's that's that's the storyline. 258 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: That's that's the overriding arc of this season. Joe Judges 259 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: new he's not going anywhere, uh not not for a 260 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: while anyway, that John Mayer is gonna have John Mara, 261 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: Steve Tish are gonna have a lot of patience with him. 262 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: They brought into his long term plan. This is the 263 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: year we find out if Daniel Jones is part of 264 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: that plan. Art Paul getting your take on Jones as 265 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: you're just your overall thoughts. Yeah, I I agree with 266 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: what with what Tom said, you know, and and you know, 267 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: I thought about this yesterday honestly, at the end of 268 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: the training camp. Now we're thinking about, okay, now, what 269 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: do we see for for a month basically? And I 270 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: took a step back and I said, you know what, 271 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 1: what did we expect to see with Daniel Jones? I mean, 272 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 1: we talked all about how he was going to be 273 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: taking over a brand new offense and how to learn, uh, 274 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: basically learned a Jason Garrett offense with a new coach 275 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: and staff, a new quarterbacks coach, and how is this 276 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: going to work over zoom For much of the spring, 277 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: you didn't step up the fee field and work with 278 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 1: the playbook until the beginning of training camp. So when 279 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: I think about, as Tom said, the first couple of 280 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: weeks of training camp, and he just kind of looked disjointed. 281 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: You know, he'd have some really good throws. You know, 282 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: he'd hit a long one to Darius Slayton. You'd say, 283 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: all right, that that's Jones from last year. And then 284 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: you'd see a row, a couple of a couple of 285 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 1: passes off the mark in the middle of the field, 286 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: and he'd say, I don't know, but the last week 287 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: or so, I think Jones kind of hit a stride 288 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: um and I do think that that's kind of what 289 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: needs to be watched this season. It's how he goes 290 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: from week one to week four to week seven, uh 291 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: and what you're watching out there on the field. And 292 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 1: I do believe he's the centerpiece. But I also believe 293 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: this offensive line is a big part of this as well. 294 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: For the first time since really I've been on the beat, 295 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: and that goes back to you know, around the second 296 00:13:54,480 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, uh in you know, you have an offensive 297 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: line that's potentially here for the long haul. I mean, 298 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: like I said, if Nick Gates wins the center's job, 299 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: I think it's all five spots provided your projecting Shane 300 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Lemieu at some point to take over for Kevin Zeitler, 301 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: and then Matt to take over at right tackle. All 302 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: five guys are under the age of four. I mean, 303 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: that's that's amazing for this team. So with Jones and 304 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: that offensive line, that to me, if I'm sitting at 305 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: midfield mid season and the Giants have that in place, 306 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: I think that's a huge step forward. Well. Well, one 307 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: thing I would say about Daniel Jones is it's it's 308 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: you have to be careful. It's really hard to separate 309 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: the player and the team. You know, I mean, Jacob 310 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: deGrom can win two Cy Young's right with a Mets 311 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: team and barely win as many games as he loses. Now, 312 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones has a great year, right, if he 313 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: has a terrific year, cuts down on the fumbles, more touchdowns, 314 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: fewer interceptions, high percentage. I mean, the Giant is gonna 315 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: be a really can you do that? And the Giants 316 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: be a really bad team. It doesn't happen that often. 317 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: It happens sometimes where the Giants are a really good 318 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: offense and their defense is awful and they lose a 319 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: lot of three games or something like that. But they're 320 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: kind of intertwined. So, you know, Eli, you love to 321 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: compare Daniel Jones to Eli Manning. Eli Manning made the 322 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: playoffs in his second year. Now, now is that all 323 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: on Eli Manning? No? But is it all on Daniel Jones? No? 324 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: But we know quarterbacks are graded differently. It's not just 325 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: like the Cy Young where you say, you know, e 326 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: r a whip bing bang. He is the Cy Young 327 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: winner and well the team didn't win and he didn't 328 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: win a lot, But that's okay. Daniel Jones has to 329 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: hit a bunch of boxes and the most overlying box. Right, 330 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: what did Bill Parcels always say about Phil Sims and quarterbacks? 331 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: You have to win the game. If the quarterback wins 332 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: the game, that's the only check that matters. So you know, 333 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: some way, somehow, Daniel Jones are gonna have to win 334 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: some games too for us to say stamp him. Okay, 335 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: he's much better in year two than he wasn't year one. 336 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: But Paul, you look at you talk to grown up Eli. 337 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: In his second year, you know he was working with 338 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: mostly a team that had been to the Super Bowl 339 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: five years earlier. Right, so there's a lot of veteran 340 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: pieces on that team. Right, Well, they did some some 341 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: of them were the same, a lot of them weren't 342 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, look, there's no question you can't say, 343 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: you know, I made the playoffs in his second year, 344 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: that means he ascended, he was better. But look, it's me. 345 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: It's hard for me to envision Daniel Jones having a 346 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: year that we all say is he is a terrific quarterback. 347 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: You want him for the long hall and the team 348 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: won four games. That's gonna be hard to juggle in 349 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: our minds. Yeah, I just think it. I just think 350 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: it will be statistically and just just emotionally and and 351 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: and just the feel of it. The team didn't win 352 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: a lot of games, but he was terrific. That's hard 353 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: for it. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard to happen. Basically, 354 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: it's right. Yes, the two extremes are are hard, but 355 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: they can they can meet in the middle. They can 356 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: think they go eight and eight and Daniel Jones plays well, 357 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I mean, I don't think 358 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: the ownership will sign up for that right now, but 359 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: I think quietly a lot of people on the Giants 360 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: would sign up for that right now. And I do 361 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: think though team success puts them in a difficult spot 362 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: as an organization, the lack of team success, because the 363 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: worst case scenario is kind of to be in that 364 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: limbo situation where Okay, maybe you're not sold on Daniel 365 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: on Daniel Jones, the team is okay but still rebuilding. 366 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: You're sitting there with a top five pick, and now 367 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: you're looking at the two thousand and twenty one draft 368 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: and a guy like Trevor Lawrence is sitting there as 369 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: a guy who is viewed as that can't miss guy. 370 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: You know, now you have to make the determination, Okay, 371 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: do we see enough from Daniel Jones to believe passing 372 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: on a guy like that if we're in the top 373 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 1: five of the draft, is worth it for this organization 374 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: long term. So I think, even though it's quietly and 375 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, I think Daniel Jones will be battling that, uh, 376 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: you know, those prospects as well, the idea that if 377 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: this is an organization that's picking again high up in 378 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: the draft and there's a quarterback sitting there, they've got 379 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: to make the determination that, Okay, Jones sold us he's 380 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,400 Speaker 1: our guy versus, well, maybe we don't know going into 381 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: year three, are we gonna blow it by letting you 382 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: know the next Andrew Look walk out of here? And 383 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: then we're sitting here in the year three and if 384 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Jones doesn't meet those expectations, did the Giants completely swing 385 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: and miss and put themselves behind the eight ball? So 386 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: a lot riding on Daniel Jones, uh really, And as 387 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: Paul said on the team's success, because you you just 388 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: don't get another shot in the top five if you 389 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: have a quarterback sitting there, you better be right about 390 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: the guy you got. Well, and I think you guys 391 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: hit it and I think then let's talk a little 392 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: bit about Daniel Jones is a player rather than looking 393 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: at the overarching picture. And it's easy to say, okay, 394 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: cut that on the turnovers. Okay, well, great, everyone knows that, 395 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 1: But I think, how do you cut that on the turnovers? Right? 396 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: And looking at I've watch more Daniel Jones take this 397 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: season than I can count. To me, it's all about 398 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: making quicker decisions and better decisions. If he gets rid 399 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: of the ball quick, doesn't hold it, that cuts down 400 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: on the fumbles naturally, right, And if he doesn't try 401 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: to fit the ball into such tight areas sometimes that 402 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: will cut down some of the interceptions that use. For me, 403 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: those are the two things I'm looking for is this 404 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: kind of rick risk management and quicker decisions. So from 405 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: a micro level, when you guys watch Jones this year, 406 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: and Tom would start with you, what are the things 407 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: you'll really be keeping an eye on that you think 408 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: will solve those larger issues from his first year which 409 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: was larger to turnovers. But a few have others on 410 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: your list? Please give him to us. Uh, well, I 411 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: think that I think you, Like you said, the sack 412 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: numbers and and the fumbles are are gonna be gonna 413 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: be the key for him. And that goes back to 414 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 1: arts point about how intertwined he is with the offensive line, 415 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: because if if he has the time, then that that 416 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 1: certainly helps him, uh make make better decisions. Listen listening 417 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: to Joe Judge talk for the list uh four months, 418 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: he's his brain got to be working faster because that guy, 419 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: that guy just talks a mile a minute. So it's 420 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be uh you know, if if his brain 421 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: is processing defense is faster, which he would think for 422 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: smart second year quarterback from Duke it should be uh that, 423 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 1: then I think that Daniel Jones will be able to 424 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: uh make quicker decisions in the pocket, find receivers. He's 425 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: gonna have new rules that he has to follow in 426 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: this offense, but they're gonna be uh, they may be 427 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: more advantageous to him. You know, he's gonna have uh 428 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: se Quan available probably to him in the passing game 429 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: more than he had he did last year because you know, say, 430 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: and Sae Juan wasn't Sae Juan for most of Daniel 431 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: jones starts last year. Let's let's be honest with that too. Uh. 432 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: So he's gonna have a lot more at his at 433 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: his disposal. Uh, he should have a lot more time 434 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: and protection from the offensive line. He might have a 435 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: more quarterback friendly offense. Uh, he's just got to hang 436 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: onto the ball when with the fumbles, you know, and 437 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: that and we saw him fumble in the scrimmage a 438 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, and that was you know, all 439 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: the sirens went off at Betlife Stadium when that happened. 440 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 1: But he's got to hold onto the ball. And you know, 441 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: the interceptions, you can live with the interceptions that are 442 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: are taking chances and and and you think you can 443 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: make a play, it's the fumbles and those those are 444 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: the sloppy ones and you gotta you gotta get rid 445 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: of those. I thought, yeah, I thought it was interesting. 446 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: In the second scrimmage, which was the only real life 447 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: game type scrimmage, you know, quarters kicked off. You know, 448 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 1: it looked like a game sort of Um, you know, 449 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: that was the Lorenzo Carter coming out party right where 450 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: he had all these sacks And and what did Joe 451 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: Judge say to to Daniel Jones, He said, you know, 452 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: he mentioned Lorenzo Carter and we talked about the offense line. 453 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: He said, you know, Daniel's got to help out a 454 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: look by stepping up in the pocket, you know what 455 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean? And and and that was true. He could 456 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: have avoided some of those sacks that they were by 457 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 1: stepping up. So that to me is what I need 458 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: to see from Daniel Jones, not just stepping up in 459 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: the pocket, but kind of a sense of where he is. Um. Look, 460 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: he's big, he stro he can throw, he can run, 461 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: We think he can. He's a smart guy, you know 462 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: he he he looks like a quarterback, you know, but 463 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: is he a robot quarterback? Is he a creation sort 464 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,880 Speaker 1: of David Cutcliffe? Is he does he check the boxes? 465 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: But does he have it? Okay? Does he just sense it? 466 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: Does he sense it? Now? Look he's a young guy, 467 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: but even in college, you wonder does he sense it? Okay? 468 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: I got a six sense of the guy coming from 469 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: behind me. I need to step up. I need to 470 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: throw its side on. You know, it's very instantly we're 471 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: gonna be everyone's gonna be comparing Daniel Jones and Sam 472 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: Donald forever. Right, if these guys are quarterbacks for many 473 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: years and they're so different, Sam Donald, everyone thinks has 474 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: sort of it right, improvised throw on the run, throw 475 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: on the side. You know, he makes some plays. Holy caw, 476 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: how did he make that play? Daniel Jones probably doesn't 477 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: have as many of those plays. Is he a better 478 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: overall quarterback? Just a guy? So you know, Daniel Jones 479 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: needs to have a little bit of that Sam Donald 480 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: in him. I'm sure Sam Donald needs to have a 481 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: little bit of the Daniel Jones in him too. But 482 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if all everything's breaking down, 483 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: does he have it? And and we're gonna find out 484 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: about that and just you know that kind of stuff 485 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: because because the measurables are there, but quarterbacks are more 486 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: than measurables, all right, Yeah, I mean I think you 487 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: know both of you guys now that. Uh, you know, 488 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: the pocket awareness is important and it's obviously what we've 489 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: talked about. I mean, is it instinctive or is it 490 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: also the processing down the field of what this offense 491 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 1: is asking him to do, what his reads are and 492 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: obviously they're all combinations, so you want him to have 493 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: those instincts. Uh. And I believe earlier in camp, Joe 494 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: Doug was asked, you do you believe you can you know, 495 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: can a quarterback be taught, you know, can can you 496 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: your pocket awareness kind of be taught and developed. Jerry Traplinsky, 497 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach, was also asked that and he said, 498 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: I do think there are things that we can teach, uh, 499 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: and teaching with Jones is important. You know, you you 500 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: talk about a new head, a new offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach. 501 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: All of the people that Jones trusted as a rookie 502 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: are gone there elsewhere, the and other teams. They're you know, 503 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 1: in college, Ryan Rhodor's at Penn State. These are all 504 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: guys that were kind of his inner circle. They're all 505 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: are now gone. This is a new inner circle for Jones, 506 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 1: and I do think that it helps him that I 507 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: would imagine this coaching stay of knowing what we've seen 508 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: from Joe Judge and his assistants that they have drilled 509 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: down and dug deep in terms of working on and 510 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 1: his awareness. And I do think that that is how 511 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: he's going to be measured. I mean, Daniel Jones could 512 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,439 Speaker 1: come out and throw for three touchdowns against Pittsburgh, but 513 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: if he gets you know, if what t J. Watt 514 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 1: comes in strip sacks so many fumbles, We're all gonna 515 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: be talking about the strip sack. No one's gonna be 516 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: talking about the three touchdowns. And that's just where Jones 517 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: is at. So to me, it's awareness versus grasping this 518 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: system and how quickly that comes. And I don't know, 519 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: it's a chicken in an egg. What comes first? Did 520 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: they come together? And I think that will really define 521 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: Jones in the early part of this season. We've mentioned 522 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: the offensive line along the way, but I want to 523 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: touch on it real quick before we get to the 524 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: weapons and the defense. Tom, just real quick on the 525 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: offensive line, Uh, the two starting tackles. Cameron Flending has 526 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: never been a full time starter before to start a season, 527 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: and obviously Andrew Thomas, the rookie. I thought we could 528 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: have finally buried, you know, offensive line the big question 529 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: of the season for the first time in ten years 530 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: this offseason. Unfortunately, with me Solder opting out, that has 531 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: not happened. So just your view on that tackle spot, 532 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: and you can even throw Nick Gates in at center 533 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: if you want to discuss that as well, because I 534 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: think we kind of know what the two guards are 535 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: at this point. Yeah, I don't. I don't know that 536 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: Nate Solder was necessarily going to be the one no. 537 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: One that made the offensive line a box that you 538 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: could check off and say he's done. Yeah. We've talked 539 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: in the past that that the offensive line has to 540 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 1: be constantly under under construction, right, it has to be 541 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: a unit that you're that you're always building and you're 542 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: always you're always looking to improve. Uh is this offensive 543 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: line better? I don't know if you know, Tell me 544 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: how many sacks Lorenzo Carter has through the first three 545 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: weeks of this in the regular season, and I'll tell 546 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: you what the Giants offensive line is going to be 547 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: because he was tearing them up and that's he saw you. 548 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 1: That's great, but it could be a little dangerous if 549 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: Florenzo Carter isn't isn't doesn't have sacks and regular season 550 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: games against uh, against the other NFL teams, all of 551 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: a sudden, you say, no, well he was you know, 552 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: he was eating their breakfast all all training camp. You know, 553 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: these guys, these guys aren't gonna be any good. I 554 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: think Thomas is okay. I was surprised by Fleming. He 555 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: had some he had some up and down days, but 556 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: he was he was better than I thought. I don't know, 557 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: if they're not better off, I think I think hallapeo 558 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: Is is really an interesting signing Layton Layton training camp 559 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,400 Speaker 1: because he gives them the opportunity to move uh Gates 560 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: to tackle if they want to. And he you know 561 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: Gates is, I know he's been working a center all 562 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: all summer, but he may be a better right tackle 563 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: than he is a center right now. And if you're 564 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: gonna play your best five, that might be your best 565 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: option right there. And and there's a lot of uh 566 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: cross measuring and and moving around the parts. You know, 567 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: even the guy like Haycraft who's been working at center, 568 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: he's a he's a career tackle, so maybe you know, 569 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: maybe he can he can probably slide out there in 570 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: a pinch. So uh there's there's a lot of moving pieces. 571 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that this offensive line, as we've seen 572 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: it throughout most of the summer, uh is is a 573 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: finished product. You know, it's the one they're gonna go 574 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: into the season with most likely. But but my my 575 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: sense is that there there will probably be some some 576 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,280 Speaker 1: changes out of necessity because of injuries and out of 577 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: out of luxury as well, because they finally do have 578 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: some young death that they that they want to put 579 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: in there and see if they can trust. Yeah, I 580 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: think that parents actually looked a little bit further along, 581 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: and I thought he would be this early in his career. 582 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Paul, you can look at 583 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: the offensive line two if you want, but combine that 584 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: with the wet ends that Daniel Jones has to get 585 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: the football to use your overall thoughts on this offense? 586 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: Can they be a top five teen, a top twelve 587 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: group if everything works out and guys stay healthy well 588 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: quickly on the offensive line. As Tom said, right, we 589 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: can't do revisionist history with Nate Solder now and said 590 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: he was the lynchpin where last year he was he 591 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: was the guy everyone wanted to get rid of because 592 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: he was having a big year. But I think that 593 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: the not the problem. The issue with Nate Solder opting 594 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: out is now you know that are we always put 595 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: next to the first year guys, You know Andrew Thomas 596 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: are He cannot have that offer rookie anymore. It is 597 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: an unfair expectation now that Andrew Thomas goes into he 598 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: can't be a r left tackle. He has to be 599 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: a good left tackle, not Pro Bowl yet. But if 600 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas can't hold up at left tackle, and after 601 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: a couple of games we said, boy, the guys gonna 602 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: probably be pretty good, but it's a little overwhelming for him. 603 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Then that's a big problem because he has to be 604 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: a constant there now as a rookie, which is a 605 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: problem because it might be too much asked as far 606 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: as the weapons. You know, look, we used to always 607 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 1: joke around with Eli, right for all those years and 608 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: and and at some point, like every third summer, we'd say, 609 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: Eli is the this is this the best a group 610 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: of wide receivers and skill players have ever had? And 611 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: Eli I would say, well, you know, they're pretty good, 612 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: but I don't like to compare. And you know, I 613 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: don't think this is the best group that anyone has 614 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: ever seen. The receivers are you know Sterling Shepard, Golden 615 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: take Darius Slayton. Darius Slayton being the wild card because 616 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: is he good or is he really good? You know 617 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: the other two guys, I think we have an idea 618 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: of they're good. They're good players, They're not keeping any 619 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator up at night. I don't think they're solid receivers, 620 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: say Kwon Barkley should be, you know, the first second 621 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: or third pick in every fantasy draft for a reason. 622 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: You know, he he should be put up great numbers. 623 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram should be a terrific, prolific tight end, but 624 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,719 Speaker 1: he never has been. So are we gonna give him that? 625 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: I don't know. So there's enough to win, um, you know, 626 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: but there's there's so many ifs. There's still a lot 627 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: of ifs offensive line and is ifs. Daniel Jones is 628 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: an if, not a big if, but he's an if. 629 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: And no, yeah, there are there's quality around Daniel Jones. 630 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: If you can get the ball to these people, that 631 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: is an IF. But it's not like light's out talent. 632 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: It's good, solid talent with one transcendent player. We think 633 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: in st Kwan Barkley. All right, Art, what are your 634 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: instant the Giants defense? Well, um, I was thinking about 635 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 1: what I was gonna say about the weapons. Come on, art, 636 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: let's go midstream adjustment art, Come on, let's go. Sudden 637 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: change comes into let's go. Yeah, let's go, uh yeah, 638 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: sudden sudden change. No, nobody wants to start jumping jacks. 639 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: No jumping jacks. No, No, the one, uh, the one 640 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: thing I would say about the weapons is the fact 641 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: that Daniel Jones didn't play one snap with that collection 642 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: of weapons last year, all in the same field at 643 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: the same time, and that would be a big if 644 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: going into this season. Is health. The health of all 645 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: of those weapons, uh is a big concern, not because 646 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: of what they look like today, but because of what 647 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: may happen week one, week two, week three. So that's 648 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: kind of the where I would be on the weapons. Defensively, 649 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to go to the secondary now, 650 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny, the Giants defense has kind 651 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: of taken turns over the last couple of years. Pass rush, secondary, 652 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: pass rush secondary, pass rush secondary. Now there are still 653 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: questions about the pass rush, but you have to look 654 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: in the secondary and see how they've done enough. I 655 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: thought it was interesting that Dave Gettleman pointed it out 656 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: the safety position. Whereas just a couple of years ago 657 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: when they let landon Collins Walk, the idea that was 658 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: floated out there was well, safety is not really a 659 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: position that we need to prioritize by giving him that 660 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: big money. And now all of a sudden, the Giants 661 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: have a great safety group, which I agree with but 662 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: it's interesting is that where you want your strength well 663 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: and Patrick grand defense, I do think you need strength 664 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: and versatility. And I think the signing of Logan Ryan 665 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: and I mean I think some of us have been 666 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: banging that drum for months. It finally gets done. Uh, 667 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: and Logan Ryan brings kind of that you know guy, 668 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: the chess piece that can be moved all around the field. Uh. 669 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: They have a lot of chess pieces in the secondary. 670 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: I think you can see Jabrol Peppers playing a lot 671 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: of sub linebacker, which allows Julian Love and Logan Ryan 672 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: to kind of be your safeties in coverage. Ryan has 673 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: shown a very good uh being able to get after 674 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: the quarterback, you know, four sacks last year. I think 675 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: it was the first player and uh second player since 676 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,480 Speaker 1: two thousand to have over a hundred four sacks, four 677 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: force fumbles, and four interceptions. So to me, Ryan comes in, 678 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: doesn't play one snap and training camp and he might 679 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: actually be the most valuable player on the defensive side 680 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: of the ball. But it's gonna be the corner spot 681 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: opposite James Bradberry. And I do think the if is 682 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: also Bradberry. You know, the Giants have poured money into 683 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: James Bradberry believing he could be that number one guy, 684 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: and you know, let's be honest. I mean, he had 685 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: some moments this summer where it was really good, but 686 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: then he also gave up some plays against some of 687 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: these Giants wide receivers. And we've already talked about the 688 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: idea of you know, are they elite? Are they you know, 689 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: good players? Where are they? So that's kind of where 690 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm looking at. As much as we want to talk 691 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: about the pass rushing years past, I think it comes 692 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: down to the secondary and how much can they squeeze 693 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: out of really a couple of individuals to make this 694 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: defense go from below average to average and then maybe 695 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: have some potential down the road. And Tom, that's the thing, right, 696 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's linked. The corners helped to pass 697 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: rush to pass ors helped the corners, and usually into 698 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,040 Speaker 1: a season like all right, well, we feel good, We'll 699 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: get to the quarterback with the corners don't to cover 700 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: that long, or we can cover it gives the passwords 701 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: time to get there. I don't think we know how 702 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,479 Speaker 1: that relationship is going to work for the Giants defense 703 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: yet this year to the questions that aren't made pretty clear. 704 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I know who the second outside 705 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: starting cornerback is gonna be, but I don't feel all 706 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: that confident about it right now, And it might be 707 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: somebody different and week in week one and this week too, 708 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: because that's what that's what the Giants are gonna do. 709 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,920 Speaker 1: They're gonna mix and match. And you may see Logan 710 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: Ryan lined up out there one day and you're gonna 711 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: be like, what the heck is this And they're gonna say, well, 712 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: he matches up well against that guy, and and and 713 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: that's that's what they're gonna go with, you know. That's 714 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: that's the that's the scheme that they brought in, is 715 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: the flexibility and and and everything else. Uh. The one 716 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: guy that that aren't mentioned, Julian Love. I feel like 717 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: he's the He's the he's the most important piece to 718 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: that secondary because he's the one that provides the stability 719 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: and he's the one that allows uh the other guys 720 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 1: to improvise and be flexible and and and move around. Uh. 721 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: You know, I always think about Lawrence Taylor. Uh, not 722 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: that the Giants have a Lawrence Taylor, but one of 723 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 1: the reasons why Lawrence Taylor was able to be so 724 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: good was because Harry Carson was there next to him 725 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: and Harry Carson cover for him. And if if Florence 726 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: Taylor played made a risk risky move, Harry Carson was 727 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: there to to to cover it, to cover to cover 728 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 1: where he get vacated. So I think that Julian Love 729 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: Is could be the you know, the Harry Carson of 730 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: of that of that secondary. Well, these guys are flying 731 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: around trying to try to make plays, Love is going 732 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: to be the guy that's that's got to cover up 733 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: the holes where they just vacated to to try and 734 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 1: make those risky, risky moves. Well, you're a roll of thoughts. Well, 735 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: what do you think this defense is going to look like? 736 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 1: How do you think they're going to try to succeed? Well, 737 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: you know, they they're They're not a bulldozer, you know. 738 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they're the best they can be as a 739 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: bunch of gnats. I think, you know, they just annoy 740 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: the heck out of you, you know, when you just 741 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: keep on flipping them away, flicking them away, you know, 742 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: I don't think they can line up and just steamroll you. 743 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 1: Um look, look, we we mentioned you know that we 744 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: mentioned a lot of the back end. You know, you 745 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: gotta have a pass rush and and and it's one 746 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: thing to say we have to cover. Look in this league, 747 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: no one can cover enough. You can't get the ball 748 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: out quick, you know what I mean being banging everyone. 749 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,840 Speaker 1: You know, Joe Judge mentioned to us about how you know, 750 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: we talked about Cam Fleming. I'm back on the offensive line. 751 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: He said, I want a lot of games with Cam Fleming. 752 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: You know, we want a lot of big games with 753 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: Cam Fleming. Yeah, I know, you want a lot of 754 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: all those games. Tom Brady was getting a ball out 755 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: in one second, you know, Cam Fleming was in his 756 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: set and all of a sudden one of those little 757 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: guys was running around with the ball because Tom Brady 758 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 1: just gave it to him. So you know, at some 759 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: point someone on the Giants has to line up, beat 760 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,399 Speaker 1: his man and get to the quarterback fast. And that's 761 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,879 Speaker 1: you know. We talked about La Lorenzo Carter a lot. 762 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 1: You know, they have an interesting group. You know is 763 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: Kyla facral Is. He had a legitimate sack guy. He 764 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: had double digit sacks for the Packers a couple of 765 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: years ago, and like none last year. You know, we 766 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: know what Marcus Golden can do. He's a you know, 767 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: and and he's a try hard guy. If you give 768 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: him enough time, he'll put the quarterback on the ground. 769 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 1: Um is O'shane's him and az is he? You know, 770 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: just a guy who the Giants drafted who's kind of 771 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: like okay or is he an as sending player? And 772 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: then it all you know, I think Lorenzo Carter um. 773 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, he's not the monster that that that tore 774 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 1: up their scrimmage, but he has to be the guy 775 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: in my mind. He's a third round pick, He's from 776 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: a big school. This is his year. He's biggest, strong, 777 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: he's passionate. So at some point you gotta line up 778 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: bank Carter beat his man, the quarterbacks on the ground, 779 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: the balls loose, we pick it up, you know, Giants 780 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: pick it up touchdown. So all that stuff is great 781 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: and it's all gonna be very important. But can they 782 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,520 Speaker 1: do something that you know imposed they will upfront? Uh, 783 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: we don't know, you know, I don't think any of 784 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: the defensive linemen of those kind of players. So can 785 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: these outside linebackers do it? Tom? What's your ex factor 786 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: for this defense? What needs to happen if they you know, look, 787 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: if your defense is right below yards and points and 788 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: stuff like that, it's it's tough to win games. I 789 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 1: don't know how good your offense is. What do they 790 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: need to do to get into that like middle third 791 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: of the league where they're letting the offense and give 792 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: him a chance to win games? Uh, create turnovers? Really 793 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,360 Speaker 1: is what it's going to come down to you, because 794 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: like Paul said, this isn't a team that's gonna that's 795 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: to put up a brick wall. They're gonna be uh, 796 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,879 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little bit like guerrilla warfare out there, 797 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: and they're gonna be you know, you know, picking off 798 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: as much as they can. So I think that if 799 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: if you see that Jibril Peppers has a couple of turnovers, Uh, 800 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: if you see that Logan Ryan has has the kind 801 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: of uh turnovers that he had last year, that's gonna 802 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: be a really good sign for the for this defense 803 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 1: because that's gonna mean that they're they're making those those 804 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: changes and and obviously those are defensive stops. But you know, 805 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that they have the the firepower to 806 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 1: to stop drives on their own, you know, they sort 807 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: of need to need to take the bowl away. I 808 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,439 Speaker 1: think I think a lot of NFL offenses are gonna 809 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,800 Speaker 1: be able to move over them a little bit, a 810 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,799 Speaker 1: little bit uh more than they would have liked. This 811 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: is gonna This has gotta be a team that that 812 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: relies on a bit of trickery, a bit of slide 813 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: of hands and uh and and a lot of luck 814 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to securing that football. I guess onely 815 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of close. Big picture guys, if you want to 816 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 1: try to sell a Giants fan, I'll argy keep whatever 817 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: stands you want. Why they're going to be worse than 818 00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: last year, the same as last year, better than last year? 819 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: How do you view this team big picture wise? All 820 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: r Why don't we start with you? UM? You know, 821 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: I think the thing you have to sell Giants fans, 822 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 1: I believe is the idea that this isn't the same 823 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: rebuild that you promised uh at near the tail end 824 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: of Ben mcadoo's regime and then with Pat Shermer coming aboard. 825 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: I think you have to sell the Giants fans that 826 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: the idea that this is different, uh. And the way 827 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: you do that is to see UH players developed on 828 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: this team. And you know, Joe Judge made the point 829 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,439 Speaker 1: of what he admired most about Patrick Graham last year 830 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator of the Dolphins, was that not 831 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: what he saw early on in the season, But when 832 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: that team came to Foxboro in Week seventeen and beat 833 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: the Patriots, the d fence that Patrick Graham have had 834 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: out there on the field, he elevated, quote unquote scout 835 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: team players up into NFL starters. So to me, if 836 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,359 Speaker 1: I'm the Giants, and I think you've heard that already, development, development, development, 837 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: Which I think makes this interesting, very this season very interesting, 838 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: is that you need to see players level. You know, 839 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: think of it in terms of you know, Madden ratings. 840 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: If a guy starts the season at seventy while by 841 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: week four you better be an eighty, and you know, 842 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,799 Speaker 1: keep moving forward seeing where you're at. It comes down 843 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,800 Speaker 1: to the quarterback obviously, But fans aren't aren't blind. Most 844 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: fans aren't blind. The media isn't blind. You know what 845 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna see. You have to trust what you see. 846 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: And I think for the Giants, they need to show 847 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: that there's a difference between just a guy who were 848 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: hyping up versus a guy who can be an impact 849 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: player and a founding some piece for this franchise. I 850 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: think the Giants have some of those guys. Uh, Dexter Lawrence, Uh, 851 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, even as a rookie, Darnay Holmes has opened eyes. 852 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,240 Speaker 1: Let's see week five if we're talking about those guys 853 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 1: in the same breath. Tom, Yeah, I mean, I think 854 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be it's gonna be a process. You 855 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: you don't wanna, you know, I don't want to buy 856 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,400 Speaker 1: in too much to what Joe Judges is preaching, but uh, 857 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 1: you know the team that week saw walks off the 858 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: field in week seventeen or beyond right, let's let's let's 859 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: even open up that slight possibility. The team that finishes 860 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: this season is how you have to judge judge this year, 861 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: not the one that takes the field in September. And 862 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:45,240 Speaker 1: I think that that goes from uh, that that includes 863 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: all of the the stuff that they've had to deal 864 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,799 Speaker 1: with so far this off season with the with the 865 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: pandemic and and no off season program and truncated training 866 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,399 Speaker 1: camp and the no preseason games. You know, those are 867 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: all the things that you say, well, it's we can't 868 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: really measure this team. We're not gonna know what this 869 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: team is until we get to December. And if they're 870 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: playing meaningful games then in terms of the standings, that's great. 871 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: But the Giants are gonna be playing meaningful games in December, 872 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: and it's gonna be meaningful about their future, not necessarily 873 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: about whether they make the playoffs or not. Paul, he 874 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: had about sixties sings. Okay, well, it's interesting, um that 875 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: the other guys took all my time here, you know, 876 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 1: it's interesting battery. Okay, that that that that that Wellington 877 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: Marriage to say, right and John Marriage just said the 878 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: other day. Meaningful games in December, right now, what does 879 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: that mean? That doesn't only mean the scoreboard. That means 880 00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: that the stadium is full, and it's not all Cowboys 881 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,800 Speaker 1: or Eagles fans, it's it's our fans. It's Giants fans 882 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: that are cheering for us, and and and the building 883 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: is full. You know what. The building might be empty 884 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: all year. It's a very different dynamic. So the Giants 885 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: might be playing or trying to play meaningful games in 886 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,520 Speaker 1: December in front of an empty building. So John Marray 887 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: doesn't have to stare out at the parking lot and 888 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: say it, boy, this is a disaster. There's nobody here. 889 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 1: There's only Cowboys fans here, you know what, there's nobody 890 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: there anyway, most likely. So, uh, it's gonna be very 891 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: difficult to judge his team. But you know what, you 892 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: can't just lose games, you know, you can't just lose 893 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: game after game after game and then sell people that 894 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480 Speaker 1: we're getting better. So like it or not, Joe, Judge 895 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,120 Speaker 1: has to win a bunch of games, not a lot, 896 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 1: but enough where you can say it's hard. Put it 897 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: this way, it's hard to go five and eleven and say, 898 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 1: you know, I saw some really good signs. It's just 899 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,800 Speaker 1: hard to do that, it is, So win some games 900 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: and it will all come in. Basically, what's gonna be 901 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: empty stated, That depends on those five wins come, No, Paul, 902 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: depends on when those five wins come. Well, you know what, 903 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: if they come early and then they don't come late, 904 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: you say, where did they go? If they come late 905 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: and not early, you say, yeah, great, they were they 906 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,760 Speaker 1: were they were two and twit they were two and eleven, 907 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: and they want a bunch of games. At the end 908 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,760 Speaker 1: when nobody cared anymore, you know you can argue both sides, 909 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean yeah, and and look, 910 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: as we know, the fan base is tired of it. 911 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,759 Speaker 1: You know when Pat Shermer, you could see it on 912 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,479 Speaker 1: his face right when he lost early his first year, 913 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: and he's like, well, it's a process. We're oh and one, 914 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: we're oh and two, and he's like and and everyone 915 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,440 Speaker 1: was thinking, no, you're not, Pat, you're five and twelve 916 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,280 Speaker 1: and you're five and thirteen because we're still pigging backing 917 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: it from last year. That's that's, you know. And Joe 918 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,359 Speaker 1: Judge is gonna hear a lot of that too. If 919 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,040 Speaker 1: they start losing early, what's different? You know, four and twelve. 920 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 1: It's basically you're four and thirteen now, even though things 921 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,359 Speaker 1: are different. So look, we don't think they can win 922 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 1: a ton of games, but it's hard to lose and 923 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,799 Speaker 1: lose and lose no matter you lose early, middle or late, 924 00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: and then say all things are getting better. Believe us, 925 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: things are getting better. It's it's you know, someone didn't 926 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: somebody wants say talk is cheap? Play the game right, Absolutely, guys. 927 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time, Thanks so much. I see you 928 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: on Monday night. Football in Pittsburgh that they rather at 929 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: that Life Stadium against Pittsburgh. Thank you, boys, thank you. 930 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,080 Speaker 1: That's the latest episode of the John's Little Podcast, our 931 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: yearly Routers round Table. We thank the guys, thanks for 932 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: being with us right. Good seasons here. Guys, look forward 933 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,279 Speaker 1: to see you next time, they say,