1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to

2
00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720
Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in

3
00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600
Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find

4
00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119
Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio

5
00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the

6
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440
Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR.

7
00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:28,200
Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Welcome into the Herd.

8
00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:32,800
Speaker 3: I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin Cowherd. Always a thrill

9
00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,600
Speaker 3: to be sitting in the big chair for Colin, who

10
00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,400
Speaker 3: will be back soon because it's football season. We made it,

11
00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,639
Speaker 3: though there still is plenty of drama. Tarren Armstead will

12
00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,000
Speaker 3: join us in just over twenty minutes.

13
00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:47,560
Speaker 2: In an hour, I'm.

14
00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,760
Speaker 3: Gonna try to call Colin on the air to remind

15
00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,159
Speaker 3: him that Caleb Williams is good. My guess is he

16
00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:52,879
Speaker 3: won't pick up.

17
00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,840
Speaker 2: We got a lot of.

18
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,320
Speaker 3: Things to do and starting Monday, we'll hear more about

19
00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,880
Speaker 3: it later. Then you expanded First things first on FS one,

20
00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,800
Speaker 3: thrilled to tell you about it. I'll be on from

21
00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,800
Speaker 3: five to six Eastern every single day, and if you've

22
00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,520
Speaker 3: ever watched me or listened to me, you know that

23
00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,479
Speaker 3: I don't love talking contracts because generally speaking, they all

24
00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,280
Speaker 3: get done. But the preseason ends on Saturday, which means

25
00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,160
Speaker 3: it becomes game week for all these teams, which means

26
00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,720
Speaker 3: it's about to get real for contract talk. And I

27
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,399
Speaker 3: got to admit, even as someone who doesn't like talking money,

28
00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't like the pocket watch aspect of it, and

29
00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,280
Speaker 3: the vast majority of these guys ends up signing their deals,

30
00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,120
Speaker 3: I have to admit that the television producer that doubles

31
00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,680
Speaker 3: as the general manager of the Dallas Cowboys and the

32
00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,720
Speaker 3: owner and apparently a star of a documentary. The documentary,

33
00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,200
Speaker 3: by the way, pretty good, Jerry Jones. He's given us

34
00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:46,560
Speaker 3: some tremendous color here on the Micah Parsons stalemate. Negotiations

35
00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:53,760
Speaker 3: impass and it's getting wildly unnecessarily ugly in Dallas. But

36
00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:56,680
Speaker 3: depending on your point of view, maybe that's exactly what

37
00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,720
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones wants because he's just here for the soap

38
00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,360
Speaker 3: op wrote the clicks, and we're feeding into it because

39
00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,840
Speaker 3: here we are on the biggest show, talking about the

40
00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,600
Speaker 3: biggest story and the biggest team and their best defensive

41
00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,760
Speaker 3: player who remains unsigned.

42
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,640
Speaker 2: So let's catch you up on it.

43
00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:17,519
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones, goes on Michael Irvin's YouTube show just yesterday

44
00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,280
Speaker 3: and he gives us a very colorful update on how

45
00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,440
Speaker 3: the negotiations are going.

46
00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,200
Speaker 4: We wanted to send the details to the agent. The

47
00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,160
Speaker 4: agent soldiers to stick it up our ass. We had

48
00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:33,480
Speaker 4: our agreements on term, amount, guarantees, everything. We were going

49
00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,480
Speaker 4: to send it over to the agent, and the agent said,

50
00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:42,000
Speaker 4: don't bother because we've got all that to negotiate. Well,

51
00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,120
Speaker 4: I already negotiate that, already moved off my mark own

52
00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,000
Speaker 4: several areas. It's the Mama daddy deal. You go into

53
00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,040
Speaker 4: mama and she won't do it, and she's the boss,

54
00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,600
Speaker 4: sobo she won't do it, So you run into daddy,

55
00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,320
Speaker 4: Daddy says do it, and then you go back in

56
00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,240
Speaker 4: say Mama, Daddy said it was all right.

57
00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,560
Speaker 3: I don't think that Jerry Jones traffics in the world

58
00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:14,160
Speaker 3: of embarrassment very often, but Jerry should be embarrassed. The

59
00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:18,560
Speaker 3: agent in question is David Moulagetta. David Mullagetta, through multiple

60
00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,080
Speaker 3: media sources, has put out basically, I'm not going to

61
00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,840
Speaker 3: do any interviews, but I did not, or did anybody

62
00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,800
Speaker 3: with athletes first, as agency tell Jerry Jones with the

63
00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,200
Speaker 3: Cowboys to stick it with their ass.

64
00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,400
Speaker 2: Whatever that didn't come up.

65
00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,920
Speaker 3: So David Mulligetta is disputing the use of that colorful language.

66
00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,400
Speaker 3: But let's just forget about the language there that Jerry

67
00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,840
Speaker 3: is addressing here. Jerry Jones is saying that there is

68
00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:47,520
Speaker 3: not room in the negotiation between the Dallas Cowboys and

69
00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:54,200
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons for Micah Parsons's agent. Now, I have an agent.

70
00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:55,800
Speaker 3: I know most of you don't.

71
00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:57,000
Speaker 2: You're lucky.

72
00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,840
Speaker 3: That's the only reason we have agents is to do

73
00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,920
Speaker 3: the negotiation. It's the only reason we pay the commission.

74
00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,640
Speaker 3: Maybe it's three percent, maybe it's one percent, maybe it's

75
00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,640
Speaker 3: five percent, maybe it's ten percent, depending on the industry.

76
00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,680
Speaker 3: For Michael Parsons, it's probably in the neighborhood of one

77
00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,880
Speaker 3: or two percent. But the point is he pays, arguably

78
00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,920
Speaker 3: the top agents in football a percentage of what will

79
00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,880
Speaker 3: be the largest defensive contract in the history of the

80
00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,240
Speaker 3: NFL to do the negotiation.

81
00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,160
Speaker 2: Jerry did not stop there.

82
00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,839
Speaker 3: Because I will get into where I think this actually

83
00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:35,719
Speaker 3: ends up here in a minute. But allegations about colorful language,

84
00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,120
Speaker 3: no room in the negotiation for Mikeah Parsons's agent Jerry

85
00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,080
Speaker 3: did not stop on his media tour with the posturing

86
00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,400
Speaker 3: of how he looks at the timeline and to get

87
00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:46,760
Speaker 3: a deal done with Michael Parsons.

88
00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,360
Speaker 4: We really got three years to work this thing out.

89
00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:54,960
Speaker 4: I did that with Dak and we couldn't agree. So

90
00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,760
Speaker 4: Dak played his last year of his contract and then

91
00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:03,080
Speaker 4: we FRANCHISEE course, ultimately we got a contract made. Dak

92
00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,919
Speaker 4: has paid player in the NFL, so the president is

93
00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,760
Speaker 4: handling it like Dak, but in this particular case, then

94
00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,040
Speaker 4: Micah comes in and plays this year under his contract

95
00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,040
Speaker 4: and then done and it's very costly.

96
00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,320
Speaker 3: Okay, so no one likes math on TV, but we'll

97
00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,680
Speaker 3: just let's just go through some facts here for a second.

98
00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,719
Speaker 3: Michah Parsons is set to make roughly twenty four million

99
00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,440
Speaker 3: bucks this year, so at the end of that from

100
00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,640
Speaker 3: the Michael Irvin Show and Jerry Jones, look, if he doesn't,

101
00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,120
Speaker 3: it's going to be very costly. Jerry Jones is one

102
00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,560
Speaker 3: hundred percent correct. Every game missed by Micah Parsons is

103
00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,880
Speaker 3: roughly one point three million dollars. Then Micah Parsons will

104
00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,720
Speaker 3: not get paid. That's just money you can earn back.

105
00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,000
Speaker 3: So I think Michaeh. Parsons is going to play Week

106
00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,200
Speaker 3: one because I think he would rather play for one

107
00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,560
Speaker 3: point three million dollars than not play and get zero.

108
00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,120
Speaker 3: It's a revolutionary thought. That's where I'm at. Then Jerry

109
00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,920
Speaker 3: saying really takes three years, and he's right, because there's

110
00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,000
Speaker 3: this year and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons,

111
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,400
Speaker 3: and then they could franchise Tag Michah Parsons again for

112
00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,720
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty percent of what he'd be doing

113
00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,240
Speaker 3: to make next year. Now, the player would be unhappy,

114
00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,760
Speaker 3: and he's already demanded the trade and scrubbed the Cowboys

115
00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,400
Speaker 3: from all the social media, and frankly, that's not good

116
00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,000
Speaker 3: for the team to have a premium player locked into

117
00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,680
Speaker 3: the salary cap because there's no flexibility. One hundred percent

118
00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,160
Speaker 3: of the dollars are guaranteed. You can't move it around

119
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:33,840
Speaker 3: for salary cap purposes.

120
00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,040
Speaker 2: That sort of thing.

121
00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,560
Speaker 3: But I absolutely believe Jerry Jones that he talks to

122
00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,080
Speaker 3: Micah Parsons about money, that he feels like he even

123
00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,960
Speaker 3: moved off of his place, And I believe Jerry Jones

124
00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,359
Speaker 3: that he is willing to make Michael Parsons the highest

125
00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,800
Speaker 3: paid defensive player in football. But here's what I also

126
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:55,560
Speaker 3: believe that that's not good enough. That if I was

127
00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,960
Speaker 3: representing Michael Parsons, I wouldn't be saying, well, yeah, I

128
00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,200
Speaker 3: just have to get a dollar or more on the

129
00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:05,200
Speaker 3: average annual value of than TJ. Watt just over forty

130
00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,160
Speaker 3: one million a year, or I just got to get

131
00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,080
Speaker 3: a dollar more than the largest guarantee ever for a

132
00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,560
Speaker 3: defensive player in Miles Garrett at one hundred and twenty

133
00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,800
Speaker 3: two million a year, because those guys are three plus

134
00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:24,320
Speaker 3: years older than Michah Parsons. Micah Parsons is going to

135
00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,120
Speaker 3: be the highest paid defensive player ever. The question is

136
00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,760
Speaker 3: going to be by how much is he going to

137
00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,280
Speaker 3: shatter the record for a non quarterback? Is he going

138
00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,640
Speaker 3: to shatter the record for a defensive player? And there's

139
00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,120
Speaker 3: no reason for you to get too deep in the

140
00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,400
Speaker 3: weeds on who these agents are. But David Mulgetta is

141
00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,720
Speaker 3: something of a cult like figure in NFL circles because

142
00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,800
Speaker 3: he's the guy who got Deshaun Watson the fully guaranteed contract,

143
00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,640
Speaker 3: the one hundred percent of your money contract as being guaranteed.

144
00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,400
Speaker 3: He's the new thing. He's the power broker in the NFL.

145
00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,200
Speaker 3: He represents Jordan loves Cs and a bunch of guys.

146
00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,800
Speaker 3: But here's another way that I know that Jerry is

147
00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,720
Speaker 3: not being totally truthful in this entire thing. There are

148
00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,680
Speaker 3: other players on the Cowboys who are represented by David Mulgetta,

149
00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,320
Speaker 3: who is Michael Parsons agent. So he's been able to

150
00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,520
Speaker 3: get business done. So when he's talking about this agent

151
00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,240
Speaker 3: wants to make a name for himself. This agent is

152
00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,040
Speaker 3: trying to be the big third party in this deal.

153
00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,520
Speaker 3: There's only room for two parties, me and Micah Parsons.

154
00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:31,360
Speaker 3: He's done deals with mullagat his agency before.

155
00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,959
Speaker 2: Mollie Cooker is on his team this year signed.

156
00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,280
Speaker 3: And Jerry Jones, I know he likes to say that

157
00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,560
Speaker 3: he's the general manager, and I know he carries the

158
00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,960
Speaker 3: title of general manager, but no one believes that he's

159
00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,160
Speaker 3: scouting the Senior Bowl and grinding tape.

160
00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,640
Speaker 2: On fifth round prospects. He likes it for vanity, he

161
00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:51,640
Speaker 2: likes it for ego.

162
00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,160
Speaker 3: Do we really think that when Jake Ferguson signed his

163
00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,640
Speaker 3: fifty two million dollars deal with Dallas, it was like

164
00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,680
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones and Drake Ferguson drinking some Johnny Walker black

165
00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,680
Speaker 3: and just taggling back and forth. I think it should

166
00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:06,040
Speaker 3: be twelve million a year. No, I think it should

167
00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800
Speaker 3: be fourteen million a year. Now, the Cowboys negotiator dealt

168
00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,120
Speaker 3: with the player's agent, because that's how it works.

169
00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,160
Speaker 2: So this is very old school.

170
00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,160
Speaker 3: This is very If you've watched any of the documentary,

171
00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,240
Speaker 3: you know, good old boy from Arkansas comes into Texas,

172
00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,960
Speaker 3: strikes it rich with an oil well buys the Dallas Cowboys.

173
00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,280
Speaker 3: He bought the Dallas Cowboys for one hundred and forty

174
00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,439
Speaker 3: million dollars. He's probably gonna have to give Micah Parsons

175
00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,720
Speaker 3: more than one hundred and forty million dollars. So he

176
00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,079
Speaker 3: got the team for one hundred and forty million. He's

177
00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,440
Speaker 3: about to give a player more than one hundred and

178
00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,640
Speaker 3: forty million. Jerry Jones is living in the Stone Ages.

179
00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,960
Speaker 3: He's living in the back in the eighties. It's just

180
00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:52,120
Speaker 3: not how it's done anymore. And so ultimately this is

181
00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,840
Speaker 3: all posturing, and I believe that Micah Parsons will be unhappy.

182
00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,319
Speaker 3: I thought the post with the Allen Iverson quotes and

183
00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,480
Speaker 3: the waving goodbye and the scrubbing of the social media. Frankly,

184
00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,600
Speaker 3: I thought he was a little late. That's like a

185
00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,680
Speaker 3: millennial playbook one oh one. You scrub the social media,

186
00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,199
Speaker 3: you make it like, oh yeah, I'm real serious. I'm

187
00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,040
Speaker 3: real serious about this trade. I'm real serious about sitting

188
00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,640
Speaker 3: out games. Chris Jones sat out a game one. Guys

189
00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,880
Speaker 3: don't sit out games anymore. There's too much money at stake.

190
00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,080
Speaker 3: This isn't even the EMMITTT. Smith thing from back in

191
00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,080
Speaker 3: the early nineties where he misses a couple of games,

192
00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,080
Speaker 3: signs the deal and then the Cowboys go on to

193
00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,720
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl. There's just too much money. These

194
00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,120
Speaker 3: deals get done. So I will stay where I've been

195
00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,120
Speaker 3: four months on this that this is publicity for a

196
00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,280
Speaker 3: new season, this is publicity for a documentary, and deadlines

197
00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:52,079
Speaker 3: make deals. And we saw with Dak Prescott, as referenced

198
00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,840
Speaker 3: by Jerry Jones, the deadline was the opener when he

199
00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,720
Speaker 3: signed that deal. I expect Michael Parsons to be playing

200
00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,840
Speaker 3: against Philadelphia and this is just a lot of noise.

201
00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:05,960
Speaker 3: Embarrassing noise, but noise all the same, which brings us

202
00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:10,559
Speaker 3: to the other unsigned contracts here. Because it's a I

203
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,520
Speaker 3: will admit it. This is a unique NFL offseason and

204
00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,800
Speaker 3: that we have three A list Tier one players.

205
00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:19,800
Speaker 2: Who are still unsigned.

206
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,280
Speaker 3: Terry McLaurin in Washington, Trey Henderson in Cincinnati, and of

207
00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,960
Speaker 3: course has discussed Micah Parsons in Dallas. Now, I don't

208
00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,559
Speaker 3: think Dallas is a super Bowl contender, but they do.

209
00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,840
Speaker 3: Washington obviously think it's a super Bowl contender. They were

210
00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,320
Speaker 3: in the NFC Championship Game last year. They had Laramie Tunsel,

211
00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,960
Speaker 3: they had Deebo Samuel and Cincinnati knows that they've got

212
00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,120
Speaker 3: a super Bowl caliber offense. And they scored enough points

213
00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,320
Speaker 3: last year to be a twelve or thirteen win team,

214
00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,520
Speaker 3: but they only scored nine because their defense was historically bad.

215
00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,040
Speaker 3: I mean, the Bengals had a losing record. They were

216
00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,400
Speaker 3: three and four in games where they scored thirty or

217
00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:58,040
Speaker 3: more points.

218
00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:00,640
Speaker 2: So just go through these.

219
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,880
Speaker 3: I think Terry McLaurin signs in the next seventy two hours.

220
00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,960
Speaker 3: Generally speaking, preseason will end on Saturday, they'll revisit the

221
00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,400
Speaker 3: big picture stuff. It'll be game week, and it'll really

222
00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,560
Speaker 3: be like the game two weeks because with now three

223
00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,920
Speaker 3: preseason games, there's more time between the end of preseason

224
00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:19,560
Speaker 3: and they.

225
00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,280
Speaker 2: Start of the opener.

226
00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,000
Speaker 3: I just don't believe that a player who has been

227
00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,000
Speaker 3: as consistently productive for Washington when they had no one

228
00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,079
Speaker 3: at quarterback is going to let them have a superstar

229
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,880
Speaker 3: quarterback on a rookie deal and not get it done

230
00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,559
Speaker 3: with his number one receiver. Do I think Terry McLaurin

231
00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,160
Speaker 3: is as good as AJ Brown? No, but it doesn't matter.

232
00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,120
Speaker 3: He is really, really good. The guy who signs the

233
00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,840
Speaker 3: deal the most recently always gets a little bumped because

234
00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,079
Speaker 3: the salary cap goes up.

235
00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,199
Speaker 2: So I will be shocked if.

236
00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,240
Speaker 3: Washington takes the field Week one and Terry McLaurin isn't there.

237
00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,600
Speaker 3: That one is in the as close to one hundred

238
00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:55,640
Speaker 3: percent as I.

239
00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:56,120
Speaker 2: Can make it.

240
00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:57,959
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels just came out and said he thought it

241
00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,200
Speaker 3: was going to get done. This one's going to get done.

242
00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:06,160
Speaker 3: Next confident would be Trey Hendrickson and Cincinnati. I know's Cincinnati.

243
00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:12,480
Speaker 3: I know they're historically cheap, but they got Joe Burrow,

244
00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,080
Speaker 3: they paid him. They have t Higgins, they paid him.

245
00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,920
Speaker 3: They have Jamar Chase, they paid him. They changed defensive coordinators,

246
00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,760
Speaker 3: they used three of their first four picks.

247
00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,319
Speaker 2: On defensive players. Apparently they've agreed.

248
00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,520
Speaker 3: On how much money per year and how long the

249
00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,640
Speaker 3: deal is going to be. They haven't agreed to the

250
00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,520
Speaker 3: biggest part of the deal, which is the guaranteed money.

251
00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,760
Speaker 3: Reports are that Trey Hendrickson won three years guaranteed, Bengals

252
00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,680
Speaker 3: only want to do one year guaranteed. My guess is

253
00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,360
Speaker 3: they settle on about two years guaranteed. Trey Hendrickson has led,

254
00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,840
Speaker 3: He's been what seventeen sacks NFL and sacks last year,

255
00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,040
Speaker 3: been seventeen sacks each of the last two years.

256
00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:48,600
Speaker 2: Yes, he's thirty, but two years.

257
00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,200
Speaker 3: Of guaranteed money feels like a reasonable place. And I

258
00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,280
Speaker 3: can't imagine looking Joe Burrow in the eye and being like, hey,

259
00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,440
Speaker 3: remember last year when you would score thirty regularly and

260
00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,840
Speaker 3: we would lose. We want you to do that again.

261
00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,880
Speaker 3: My guess is Hendrickson gets done and then that leaves

262
00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,400
Speaker 3: Micah again. I think it works out. I think they

263
00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,120
Speaker 3: get it done. I don't think he's going to be

264
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,920
Speaker 3: in the business of giving back one point three million

265
00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,679
Speaker 3: dollars per year, but at some point Jerry Jones is

266
00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,520
Speaker 3: going to have to do what Apparently Jerry Jones doesn't

267
00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,320
Speaker 3: want to do, which is talk to Micah Parsons's legal representation.

268
00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:28,200
Speaker 3: This is all noise, it's all unnecessary, it's all unbecoming.

269
00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,600
Speaker 3: But given that we are still in the season where

270
00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:35,600
Speaker 3: the games don't count, it is fodder and at least

271
00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,560
Speaker 3: we know for Jerry, not for the thirty.

272
00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:37,920
Speaker 2: One other teams.

273
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,560
Speaker 3: I don't think anything about the Terry McLaurin contract is

274
00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,040
Speaker 3: because Washington wants to be in the news cycle. I

275
00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,240
Speaker 3: don't think anything about the Trey Henderson contract is because

276
00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,000
Speaker 3: they want to be in the news cycle. But for Dallas,

277
00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,720
Speaker 3: we have a ton of data, including Jerry Jones's own

278
00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,560
Speaker 3: mouth in this. In the Netflix documentary It's a soap

279
00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,280
Speaker 3: op with three hundred and sixty five days a year,

280
00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:03,320
Speaker 3: Jerry Jones sees value in the drama of dragging this out.

281
00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,280
Speaker 3: With Micah Parsons coming on next to for Tron Armstead,

282
00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:12,040
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart looks good again. Three successful preseason games for

283
00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,240
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart. I think the Giants plan for now is

284
00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,600
Speaker 3: the right one. Can they continue it? It's coming up

285
00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,200
Speaker 3: with the Herd.

286
00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,840
Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

287
00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,400
Speaker 5: and Noone Easter nine am. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio

288
00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,920
Speaker 5: FS one and the iHeartRadio app.

289
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,600
Speaker 6: He's Mike Karma, I'm Dan Bayern. We have a fantasy

290
00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,520
Speaker 6: football podcast called I Want Your Flex.

291
00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:35,480
Speaker 5: That's right Dan.

292
00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,720
Speaker 7: Every week we're going to scour the waiver wire to

293
00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:42,360
Speaker 7: find the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup, sit starts,

294
00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,960
Speaker 7: fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate

295
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,640
Speaker 7: the competition.

296
00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,000
Speaker 6: Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmon and

297
00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000
Speaker 6: meet Dan Byer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts and

298
00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,760
Speaker 6: wherever you bet your podcasts.

299
00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,400
Speaker 3: Back in on the Herd of Danny Parkins in for

300
00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,680
Speaker 3: on Cowhard. We'll talk Jackson Dart in just a little bit.

301
00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,680
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams at the top of the hour, but joining

302
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,560
Speaker 3: us now five time Pro Bowler and All Pro played

303
00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,760
Speaker 3: for the Saints and the Dolphins. Tron Armstead with us

304
00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,680
Speaker 3: on the Herd. Turan, thank you so much for the time.

305
00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,080
Speaker 3: And I got to say, I'm a little surprised you retired, man.

306
00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,560
Speaker 2: You were awesome last year. Is this like a smart retirement?

307
00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,040
Speaker 2: You're you're waiting, you're waiting for.

308
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,000
Speaker 3: A team to call, you're playing hard to get or

309
00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,400
Speaker 3: we were officially retired.

310
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,120
Speaker 2: Danny is over. It is over.

311
00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:41,760
Speaker 8: I am happily, gracefully retired. I don't miss the physical

312
00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,960
Speaker 8: toll of the game. Do miss some of the things,

313
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,800
Speaker 8: Don't get me wrong, some of the camaraderie the locker room.

314
00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,960
Speaker 8: I know, just thinking about some of the playing rides

315
00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:49,920
Speaker 8: from away games.

316
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,680
Speaker 2: But uh, I am done.

317
00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,400
Speaker 3: This is the time of year where it gets tough, right.

318
00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:02,040
Speaker 8: Training camp, man training camp series is the hardest month

319
00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,440
Speaker 8: of the year. You go through that grind, especially in

320
00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,880
Speaker 8: the two teams that I played for New Orleans Miami.

321
00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,479
Speaker 8: Hot humidity, swamp water, ocean water like that, that moisture

322
00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,880
Speaker 8: coming off is just it's a real grind during those

323
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,880
Speaker 8: training camps. So twelve of those, I think that's enough

324
00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:21,080
Speaker 8: for me.

325
00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,639
Speaker 3: Okay, so it makes perfect sense. Let's talk about the

326
00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,160
Speaker 3: Dolphins who you played with. Obviously, most recently, I've heard

327
00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,000
Speaker 3: from a Dolphins fan or two in my life that

328
00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,280
Speaker 3: says that the issue with Mike McDaniel was that the

329
00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,760
Speaker 3: offense became too predictable. And that narrative is out there,

330
00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,680
Speaker 3: you were up close and personal with it. Is there

331
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,520
Speaker 3: any validity to it? When you hear criticisms of Mike McDaniel.

332
00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,320
Speaker 8: Listen, Mike, Mike. I know Mike personally and I know

333
00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,840
Speaker 8: his story. He's been criticized his whole life. He's had

334
00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,199
Speaker 8: the battle narratives and people tell him what he can

335
00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,720
Speaker 8: and can't do his entire life. And I think the

336
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,959
Speaker 8: guy done a pretty good job at life where he

337
00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,919
Speaker 8: is now and it's still continuing to grow. Like the

338
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,439
Speaker 8: best thing about micas he's not afraid to combat the

339
00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,880
Speaker 8: narratives or fight the noise. He works, man, he works,

340
00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,240
Speaker 8: He's put he put his best foot forward and try

341
00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,640
Speaker 8: to give his guys the best chance to win. As

342
00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,600
Speaker 8: far as becoming predictable, I think any team have tendencies.

343
00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,280
Speaker 2: We know what a team likes to do. This is

344
00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,239
Speaker 2: what a team wants to do.

345
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,399
Speaker 8: Now to be able to impose that wheel on a

346
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,040
Speaker 8: weekly basis, that's a different story.

347
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040
Speaker 2: But every team across across the league have tendencies.

348
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,399
Speaker 3: When Tua plays, the offense tends to operate at a

349
00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:42,800
Speaker 3: very high level. When Tua missed time, it really didn't

350
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,960
Speaker 3: Is that because Tua is so good or there's a

351
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,320
Speaker 3: difficulty in running that offense if you're not you know,

352
00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,040
Speaker 3: entrenched in it.

353
00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,440
Speaker 8: To his nice bro to his nice like I've been

354
00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,680
Speaker 8: known to publicly speak on tool and how I feel

355
00:18:59,720 --> 00:18:59,960
Speaker 8: about it.

356
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,680
Speaker 2: I think he's a special quarterback.

357
00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:03,959
Speaker 8: I think there's very few people on earth that can

358
00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,560
Speaker 8: do what he do on a consistent basis. Him under

359
00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,680
Speaker 8: center gives the Dolphins a chance to win every game,

360
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,600
Speaker 8: and when he's not there, it's a different story. And

361
00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,280
Speaker 8: not just to say that the offense is tailored specifically

362
00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,600
Speaker 8: for him, but he's able to execute those things.

363
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 2: Those asks at a very high level.

364
00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 8: Whether people want to agree with it with it or not,

365
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:25,840
Speaker 8: it is a glaring difference.

366
00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 3: So what is it that people who question to it,

367
00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,280
Speaker 3: whether it's size, arm strength, or frankly just you know,

368
00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 3: worried about trusting him because of the injury history, although

369
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 3: I know he does have a seventeen game season now

370
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 3: under his belt. What is it that the masses are

371
00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:44,679
Speaker 3: missing about.

372
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,400
Speaker 8: Too that you see that makes you believe I don't

373
00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:55,200
Speaker 8: think they're necessarily missing His biggest strengths and attributes his anticipation,

374
00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,840
Speaker 8: his accuracy, the way he's able to delivered the ball

375
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 8: and throw the spots before the receiver even makes his break.

376
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,720
Speaker 2: That's different.

377
00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 8: It takes a lot of trust, It takes a lot

378
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 8: of practice, but I don't think people understand his preparation

379
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 8: and what makes him QB one and like where it's

380
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 8: a difference when someone else is running the running the

381
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 8: offense is being able to see pressure and blitz his

382
00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,040
Speaker 8: pre snap to be able to know what covers were

383
00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,440
Speaker 8: getting before the the before the first motion or as

384
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,560
Speaker 8: Tyreek is going up from left to right across the

385
00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,320
Speaker 8: formation he's getting in from, He's gathering information for the

386
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 8: play to be successful. It takes a really long time

387
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,359
Speaker 8: to be able to develop that. I was with the

388
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 8: great Drew Brees and he was the best at that. Him,

389
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,640
Speaker 8: peyton Man and Tom Brady was the best at reading

390
00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 8: a defense before the snap.

391
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,160
Speaker 2: So their pre snap work was hall of fame.

392
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 8: And that's why those three guys are Hall of famers.

393
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 3: Talking to Tron Armstead, you were at the joint practice

394
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 3: between the Bears and the Dolphins, which I know the

395
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: reports were how physical it was, and I know you

396
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 3: did not come away terribly impressed with Caleb Williams. Did

397
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 3: anything that he did in that preseason game against Buffalo

398
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 3: change your concerns or you still have your doubts.

399
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 8: I wouldn't say I wasn't I was unimpressed with Caleb Williams.

400
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: I definitely had.

401
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 8: Some concerns, and more so what I just spoke about

402
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 8: his pre snap process, being able to identify his threats,

403
00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 8: his weak points in protection where he's hot. I didn't

404
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 8: see that in the one practice that I saw, and

405
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 8: a lot of times last year throughout the season. What

406
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 8: I did see in Buffalo, I was thoroughly impressed from

407
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 8: him and Ben Johnson as well. Being Johnson created ways

408
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:45,840
Speaker 8: for him to find the not necessarily easy throws, but

409
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 8: easier reads, and he was able to hit his his

410
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 8: number one target, his number one objective, play in and

411
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 8: play out. I did see a couple of plays where

412
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 8: the pressure affected him and I can't say that he

413
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 8: saw it before before the snap, and that's the area

414
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 8: I would love to see as a fan, I would

415
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 8: love to see Caleb Williams take that step in his

416
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 8: process to be able to identify what the defense is

417
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 8: trying to do where he is in danger. Because as

418
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 8: a thrower of the football, he can do it all.

419
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 8: He can throw on the run, he can make the

420
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 8: wild passes, he can make the easy ones. So as

421
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,560
Speaker 8: a thrower of the football, he can there's no question,

422
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 8: But it's process. I would love to see that continue

423
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 8: to grow and develop. And he's young, man, it's early,

424
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 8: but going through that progression from receiver one all the

425
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 8: way over to receiver three or checking out to the

426
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 8: running back, I would love to see that speed up.

427
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 3: When you hear Jerry Jones say that there's no room

428
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: in the negotiation for a third party between him and

429
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons, referring to Michael Parsons's agent, David Owagata, what's

430
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 3: the player And you say to that, you know, listen, man,

431
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 3: Jerry's different.

432
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 2: I don't really understand it.

433
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 8: You get a player like Michael Parsons who's a general player,

434
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 8: generational talent and production, no off the field issues.

435
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 2: You paid them, man, You paid them man. Whatever the

436
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 2: market says.

437
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 8: He's next in line, and let's just move on to

438
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 8: bigger and better things. It's interesting, man, that Zach Martin

439
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 8: had to go through a contract dispute in Dallas, and

440
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 8: I believe that.

441
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: I believe Zach Martin played eleven years in the league.

442
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: He was an eleven time All Pro.

443
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 8: You pay that man whatever he's asking for you, just

444
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 8: you send it to him and let's let's move on.

445
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 8: So I really don't like the fact that the Cowboys

446
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 8: are making it more difficult than it needs to be.

447
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 8: Michaeh is as a player, he's in a figure in

448
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 8: Dallas that you don't question.

449
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: You pay him the market, and let's move on.

450
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: Players, fans, media, Like I imagine we all kind of

451
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 3: come at preseason a little differently. Players, you're in it,

452
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: and then fans and media were so starved for football

453
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 3: that I think we have a tendency to overreact to,

454
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 3: like whatever we see, what this time of year actually matters,

455
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 3: Like if a Bears fan is pumped about Caleb or

456
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: a Giants fan is pumped about Jackson Dart or on

457
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: the flip side, someone's concerned about a player based on

458
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 3: camp reports, Like this time of year, what should we

459
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: be paying attention to?

460
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 8: Is very hard as a fan to get much information

461
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 8: if you're not at practice, if you're not seeing it live.

462
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 8: The only thing you have is a preseason game, and

463
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 8: that's small, small sample size. So really what you want

464
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 8: to see is the standouts, the young guys who have

465
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 8: made a jump from year one to two, two to three,

466
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 8: That's what you want to see. In my opinion, The

467
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 8: guys that are being paid the most, and the guys

468
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:46,679
Speaker 8: that has been consistent throughout their career, you expect what

469
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 8: you expect from them. That expectation is high and you

470
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 8: expect them to be consistent. But you want to see

471
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 8: the guys that have taken a step that the game

472
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 8: has slowed down for them. You want to hear more

473
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 8: about who's winning those one on one battles at practice

474
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 8: on a consistent bab who's really making an impact, who's

475
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,640
Speaker 8: getting their hands on the ball, making turnovers for the defense,

476
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 8: who's scoring the touchdowns? Like That's what you want to

477
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 8: hear about during this window is the young guys that's

478
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 8: really going to bring your roster together and determine if

479
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 8: you have a chance to play.

480
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: January February Football.

481
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 3: The last guy I wanted to ask you about you

482
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 3: already mentioned Drew Brees. You played with Drew Brees, you

483
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: played with Sean Payton. Do you buy the bow Knicks

484
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 3: Drew Brees comp It's different, different style quarterback. Bo is

485
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:40,959
Speaker 3: a big guy, he's mobile, he's athletic. Drew's athlete too.

486
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, drews an athlete. But I think

487
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 3: it's a different style quarterback. The similarities were more so

488
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 3: live within Sean Payton and his preparation. What he wants

489
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 3: Bo to be able to see and diagnose pre snap,

490
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,479
Speaker 3: where he wants him to attack certain zones, whether it's

491
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 3: man or zone.

492
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 8: This is our man beaters, is our zone beaters? How

493
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 8: quickly can you get to those after the snap?

494
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

495
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 8: With ball in hand and his ability to make and

496
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 8: create plays that breakdown, that's something that wasn't Drew strength.

497
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 8: Drew wasn't able to be mobile and run for twenty

498
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 8: thirty yards and run over a corner and that all

499
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 8: those good things. But so it's some differences there. But

500
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 8: the similarities I believe were lie. The similarities lie with

501
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 8: the head man, with Sean Paige.

502
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 3: Toront Armstead, thank you so much for joining us on

503
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: the herd Man.

504
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: It was fun. We'll do it again. Appreciate you, Danny,

505
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: Thank you absolutely. That's Tron.

506
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 3: Armstead played twelve years in the NFL Pro Football Focus.

507
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: It was a top ten pass blocker and top ten

508
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: run blocker. I saw him was retiring. I was like,

509
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: you sure you do know what wain for the Bears?

510
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: You sure about that?

511
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: Speaking of preseason hype I though Jackson Dart looked good

512
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: and has continued to look good in the preseason, and

513
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: the Giants are just They're in a very interesting spot

514
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: to me because Jackson Dart looks ready. To my untrained eye,

515
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: he looks ready. I don't think he looks like a superstar.

516
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 3: I thought, you know, he had one touchdown drive out

517
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: of the four that he played. He took a big shot,

518
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 3: got tested for the concussion. A lot of the production

519
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: was on yards after the catch. The touchdown throw was

520
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 3: pretty nice, three hundred and seventy yards in the preseason

521
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 3: three touchdowns. He's he's taking shots down the field. Jackson

522
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 3: Dart has looked unafraid, He's looked mobile, He's looked athletic,

523
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: looked like the arm strength certainly translates all of those things.

524
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 3: The Giants bring in Jamis and Russ, They've got a

525
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 3: GM and a coach that seemed to be on the

526
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: hot seat. They have one of the best front sevens,

527
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 3: you would.

528
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: Say in the entire NFL.

529
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: Their defense, I think has a legit shot at being

530
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: top five. In order to be they're probably going to

531
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: need their offense to be okay so that they're not

532
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 3: on the field the whole damn game. But the problem

533
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: for the Giants is going to be do they get

534
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: that itch, do they get impatient? Because I think Russ

535
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: with his experience, does give the Giants the best chance

536
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 3: very early in the season. The problem is very early

537
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: in the season is very difficult. The Giants schedule is ridiculous.

538
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 3: It is just a murderers row. And I know on

539
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 3: paper and it's not who you play, but when you

540
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: play him, and who knows what the injuries are going

541
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 3: to end up being. But I think there's going to

542
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: be a huge push to play Jackson Dart Week five

543
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 3: against New Orleans. When the Giants start zero to four,

544
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 3: they start in Washington, in Dallas, home against the Chiefs,

545
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: home against the Chargers. Could you win one of those games? Sure,

546
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 3: if you've got a top five defense, you can win

547
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: games nineteen seventeen. You can grind out some ugly wins.

548
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 3: But then after that Dance game, Philly, Denver, Philly again,

549
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: San Francisco, the Bears, the Packers.

550
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: The Lions.

551
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: Like through Week twelve, they easily could be two to ten,

552
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 3: and then there's going to be that pressure to play

553
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 3: Jackson Dart. And this isn't the best comparison, but it's

554
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 3: pretty close. When the Bears drafted Mitch Trubisky, their plan

555
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: was to sit him for a year, even though he

556
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: was the you know, they traded up three to two.

557
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 3: They took Mitch Trubisky in that draft, famously aheada Patrick Mahomes, but.

558
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: The plan was to sit him.

559
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: They gave Mike Glennon eighteen million bucks to be a

560
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 3: starter for a year. Through four games, Mike Glennon led

561
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: the NFL in turnovers, and because John Fox was on

562
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: the hot seat, they panicked and they played Mitch Trubisky

563
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: and that came.

564
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: It didn't matter. Fox ended up getting fired.

565
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: And it didn't matter because they ended up stunting and

566
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 3: confusing the development of Mitch Trubisky, who needed to then

567
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: learn a new system and a whole new thing the

568
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 3: next year when they brought.

569
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: In Matt Naggy.

570
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: So, if Jackson Guard is ready, you play Jackson Dart

571
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: because he's ready, not because you need a spark, not

572
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 3: because you have a bad win loss record. Jackson Guard

573
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 3: should play when he's ready. Whether the Giants are two

574
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: and ten or ten and two, four and seven, seven

575
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: and four winless are undefeated, Jackson Dart's development matters more

576
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: than any win, loss, record or accomplishment that the New

577
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 3: York Giants can have this year. So they need to

578
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: resist the urge, and Brian Dable needs to resist the

579
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: urge to say, uh oh, the.

580
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: Schedule was brutal.

581
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson was throwing moonballs, Russell Wilson was taking sacks,

582
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: Jameis Winston was eating W's and we've got to lose

583
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: the record. I need to show that I'm the right

584
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: guy for Jackson Dart in order for me to.

585
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: Keep it keep my job.

586
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: If Jackson Dart is genuinely ready to play, great. But

587
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: I'd be concerned if I was a Giants fan, because

588
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 3: right now you kind of backed into a good spot.

589
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: You drafted the best player available, Abdul Carter, You traded

590
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: back into the first round for Jackson Dart. He looks good,

591
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 3: but you know your team's not going to be that

592
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: good right now, and so you thought you were going

593
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: to try to get Matt Stafford, even though that was

594
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: always pie in the sky. And now here you are like, Okay,

595
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: we got a good young nucleus, we got a quarterback

596
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: that we're excited about, and we just don't really know

597
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 3: about our coach and our general manager. Play the season out,

598
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: clean house, go get your best bets. But if Dabele

599
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: who helps Josh Allen, helps Jackson Dart, then you're good

600
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 3: to go, and you're off and running. The whole key

601
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: is going to be an honest evaluation. Is he ready not?

602
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Does he give us the best chance to win?

603
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: Not?

604
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 3: Is it pressure to save the job not? Is the

605
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 3: backpage of the New York Post? Is Jackson Dart at

606
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: truly ready to play?

607
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 2: My eyes? He looks ready.

608
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 3: My guess is Russ for week one gives you a

609
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 3: better shot. But Jackson Dart looks.

610
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: Ready to me.

611
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: But you can't make a decision to play Jackson Dart

612
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 3: based on saving Brian Daviles job that will stunt Jackson

613
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: Dart's development and do way more harm than good. Coming

614
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 3: up next, a little bit of running back news in

615
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: the NFL, Plus Saquon Barkley has a shot at history

616
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: this year. Call this a future headline for December. It's

617
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: coming up The Herd.

618
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 5: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

619
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: at noon eastern nine am Pacific.

620
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 9: Bro Is, the Elder states for the show would you

621
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 9: like to make the announcement.

622
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: Sure, we've announced it already.

623
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 7: I know now we have.

624
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: We didn't announce the days. Now, we didn't announce a date.

625
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: We didn't announce the time. The first is moving to

626
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 2: three hours. We will now be three to six pm

627
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: Eastern time. There we go. That's the big news. And

628
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: you're right.

629
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 9: We did announce a time because a lot of people

630
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 9: are thinking, wow, three hours is gonna go two hours

631
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 9: and then maybe eleven to midnight.

632
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: Turns out three consecutive hours. A lot of people didn't.

633
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 7: I get no consecutive hours. Announced the date and still

634
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 7: hasn't announced the date.

635
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 9: The date, Yes, d it's August August twenty fifth. It's

636
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 9: still Starter Predictions Week. Guys, this is I'm disappointed in you.

637
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 2: I have an announced. It's a pretty buttoned up in

638
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: this segment. Yeah, this present we know the listen camera here.

639
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 9: First things first, First things first, Starting Predictions Week, August

640
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 9: twenty fifth. It's gonna be three to six pm, three

641
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 9: to five pm totally unchanged. Five to six pm will

642
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 9: be a part of it. Danny will get a part

643
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 9: of it. Coach will be a part of it. Grave

644
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 9: will be a part of it. Maybe new friends of

645
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 9: the First Things, First Family. That's what's happening. Starting Predictions

646
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 9: week Monday, August twenty.

647
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: You have a good take.

648
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 9: The show's over sudden death, not how were we start

649
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 9: with a man halfway through the tank.

650
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: You just gotta drive him home again. That would be extra.

651
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: Everyone gets a chance.

652
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: It is.

653
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 2: If you're getting death, you get a chance to make

654
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: it take. Bru gets a chance to make it take.

655
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 9: If Bru doesn't score on his take, you win the

656
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 9: show starting August has ever.

657
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: Needed a vacation more than this guy.

658
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 9: This guy starts the mornings the grumpy and then right

659
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 9: before the show starts around this time of day, he's loopy.

660
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 9: Then I see him in the hallways snip and smelling salts,

661
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 9: whole thing with no idea how this three hour show

662
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 9: is going to be exactly so you might ends up

663
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 9: like runners high.

664
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: You know, the endorphins start to pump. Yeah. See August twenty,

665
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: fifth day, can't wait. That'll be great.

666
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: It is going to be great. And you saw my

667
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 3: head and just kind of pop up that little uh

668
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 3: First Things First post show press conference. I'm very excited.

669
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,479
Speaker 3: It's kind of a pinch me thing. I think First

670
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 3: Things First is the best show in sports television has

671
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: the best chemistry, and I've had chemistry with Nick Right

672
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: for about twenty years, my best friends since college, and

673
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 3: it's going to be really cool to bring the arguments

674
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: that we have watching ten hours of football together on

675
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 3: Sundays to a national TV audience here at FS one,

676
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: and Wild's and Brew are awesome and they've.

677
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: Been so welcoming.

678
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just on a personal note, I'm very,

679
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: very excited and honored to be sitting in for Colin today,

680
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: but also the idea that's starting Monday, five to six

681
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: pm Eastern every.

682
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:39,479
Speaker 2: Day, I'll be there.

683
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 3: They're going to be there for some of it, Greg Coach,

684
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: We're gonna still put it all together and figure it

685
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: all out. But the First Thing's First universe is expanding,

686
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: and it's an honor and a privilege and a responsibility,

687
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: frankly to join the best show in sports television. So

688
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: tune in Monday three to six Eastern. I'll be dire

689
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: from five to six on one the new First Things First,

690
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,400
Speaker 3: we set a trade in the NFL, which not the

691
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: biggest trade in the world, but there's something interesting here.

692
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: The Commanders have decided that they can part ways with

693
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: Brian Robinson junior running back and go to San Francisco.

694
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 3: I think the team acquiring the player is more interesting

695
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 3: than the team giving the player away. Because of future

696
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: six round pick, it's not much for Washington. They just

697
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: don't want to be in the business of paying a

698
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 3: running back going forward, given what they did with Debo

699
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 3: and what they're going to have to do with Jaden,

700
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 3: although that's still a couple of years away. Obviously, they

701
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: spend their money on Tunsel and all that sort of stuff.

702
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: The Niners.

703
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: You know, they acquire Sky Moore, now they acquire Brian Robinson.

704
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: Brian Robinson's coming off of a career year, not the

705
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: greatest year ever. He had basically eight hundred rushing yards

706
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: eight rushing touchdowns. But they need elite running back production.

707
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey gives them that. Kyle Shanahan gives them a

708
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: floor of good running back production. Kyle Shanahan's track record

709
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: is insane.

710
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: It's like Andy Reid with quarterbacks.

711
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: There's seven different quarterbacks who have had their career year

712
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: with Andy Reid. Jeff Garcia, Kevin Cobb, Alex Smith, Mike Vick,

713
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 3: on't on down the line. Same thing with Kyle Shanahan

714
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: and running backs like Alfred Morris and Devonte Freeman and

715
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 3: Raheem Moster. All those guys had their best years when

716
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: they were with Kyle Shanahan, when he was calling plays,

717
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: when it was his system. So obviously they're banking on

718
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: McCaffrey coming back healthy and McCaffrey being worth basically four

719
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: points per game when he's with the Niners and he's

720
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: playing to when he's with the Niners.

721
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: And he's not playing.

722
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 3: So McCaffrey is the engine for them, but they want

723
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey insurance, and that's what Brian Robinson Junior provides

724
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: the Niners. If McCaffrey can't go or they can't use

725
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: them as much, they want some talent there to try

726
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: to get that high end running back production that frankly

727
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: takes pressure off Brock Party. But really it's just a

728
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: focal point of a Kyle Shanahan system. Speaking of elite

729
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: running back production. Though, you know, Colin, does you know

730
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 3: tomorrow's headlines today? In future headlines, it's called one of

731
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: those two things. Call this like a December headline. Saquon

732
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: Barkley pacing for best two year stretch for a running

733
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 3: back in NFL history. It's a wordy headline. I'll have

734
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: to work on it. But Sakwon Barkley is an interesting

735
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: case study because he has both said that he wants

736
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 3: to be one of the best players to ever do it,

737
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 3: and that Barry Sanders is his favorite ever and that

738
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: when he retires he might just walk away without much fanfare.

739
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 3: And there's no guarantee how long he'll play. And I

740
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: know he's walked back that a little bit, like I

741
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: don't think Saquon Barkley is a year or even two

742
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 3: years away from retirement, but there's no guarantee that he's

743
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 3: going to play forever. And if Saquon Barkley retired tomorrow,

744
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 3: he would not be in the Hall of Fame.

745
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: To be a player who.

746
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 3: Does not play very long and makes it to the

747
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, you've got a stack a really incredible

748
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 3: resume in a really short period of time. And Saquon

749
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 3: Barkley is pretty close. Like he would be a finalist,

750
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: he would be considered, he would be debated.

751
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 2: He had last season.

752
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: You know, he's wonted nine guys to ever have a

753
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 3: two thousand yard season. He had the most rushing yards

754
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: ever when you combine regular season in postseason, and he

755
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 3: had over twenty eight hundred yards from scrimmage. But I

756
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 3: think Saquon Barkley is uniquely positioned to have the best

757
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 3: two year stretch for a running back ever, which currently

758
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: is Eric Dickerson.

759
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 2: Sakuon Barkley would.

760
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 3: Need nineteen hundred and nine yards this year to break

761
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: Eric Dickerson's two year record. And you look at the

762
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: guys on that list most rushing yards in the two

763
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: year span, Barry Sanders, Earl Campbell, Terrell Davis, Eric Dickerson,

764
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 3: all Hall of famers. It's consistent excellence. Even though Terrell

765
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: Davis was only seven years he had multiple Super Bowls,

766
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 3: He had a Super.

767
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP, he had an MVP Award.

768
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders obviously one of the greatest to ever do it,

769
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: Earl Campbell and Eric Dickerson the same. No players even

770
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: had back to back eighteen hundred yard seasons normally off

771
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 3: a two thousand yard season. You you know, Chris Johnson

772
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,240
Speaker 3: had a solid, I think thirteen hundred yard campaign.

773
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 2: Derrick Henry was.

774
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: Having the best post two thousand yard season, but he

775
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 3: got hurt after just eight games. A lot of guys

776
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 3: get hurt, and Saquon Barkley has an injury history he has.

777
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 3: He's coming off of a career high in carries by far.

778
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 3: He had nearly three hundred and fifty carries last season,

779
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 3: and he's got to deal with the Madden curse for

780
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 3: whatever you believe in that, which I don't, but you

781
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 3: know it's out there. But the other piece of it

782
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: is why I'd be bullish on it, is he is

783
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: uniquely positioned to follow up a historically great campaign with

784
00:40:55,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: another historically great campaign because in an era of passing football,

785
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: the Eagles are a bit of a throwback, right. This

786
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 3: is the passing era of the NFL. It's never been

787
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: Completetion percentage has never been higher, passing yards never been

788
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: h all that stuff.

789
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: But the Eagles, we don't want.

790
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: Our quarterback to throw at thirty times. We have the

791
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: best offensive line. Our quarterback really helps the running game

792
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: and we are going to pound the rock. And if

793
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: you look at Saquon last year, I mean he had

794
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 3: a game against Tampa where he had ten carries. Remember

795
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: the game against the Giants where he could have set

796
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: his record for a game, and he just sat out

797
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 3: and didn't play anymore. And then he obviously sat out

798
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 3: Week eighteen, Like he barely creeped over two thousand yards

799
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: in the regular season last year, and he could have

800
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 3: shattered it.

801
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: So I actually felt like there was room.

802
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: Obviously there was he didn't play Week eighteen, but even

803
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 3: in the course of the season, there was room for

804
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: him to have a better year because he is so

805
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: uniquely gifted, and they are so dominant as a running

806
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: team in an era where teams are putting an extra

807
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 3: corner back on the field. It's easier to run in

808
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: the passing era because of how defenses are aligned to

809
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: stop the pass. I think Saquon Barkley is going to

810
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: break Eric Dickerson's two year record. I think he's got

811
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: a shot at the first ever at back to back

812
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: two thousand yard seasons, and I think the greatest two

813
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 3: year stretch in NFL history for a running back. I

814
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 3: think that record falls and it's something we'll be talking

815
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: about throughout the month of December.

816
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: Coming up.

817
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: Tom Verducci will join us to explain how the hell

818
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: the Brewers are doing what they're doing, which really upsets

819
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: this Cubs fan. But coming up next, we're calling Collin Cower.

820
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: He won't answer, But why Colin has been.

821
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 2: Very wrong to doubt Caleb Williams. Next The Herd