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Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by Devin and Steve, and if you

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Speaker 1: are not familiar with us, every week we get together

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Speaker 1: and solve another really cool mystery. Right, No, we solve them.

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Speaker 1: this week history. Uh, this week we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: Dean Hollis didn't know what he was looking at at

422
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 1: the time, but like some years later, like five years

423
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 1: later or something like that, he read an article about

424
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: it in a magazine and there was a picture of

425
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: the Cyclops in there. When he saw the picture, he

426
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: was like, oh, wow, that's the boat or that's the

427
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: ship I guess that I saw in the Atlantic, and uh.

428
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: So he went to the Navy with his suspicions and

429
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: eventually in nineteen seventy three convinced him to reopen the

430
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 1: search and they did do some searching, but they didn't

431
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: find the wreckage, so oh sorry, but yeah, I know.

432
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 1: And he eventually teamed up with Clive Cussler. I think

433
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: this is three one. And didn't you know who Clive Cussler? Yeah,

434
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: if you don't know who Clive Cussler is, he writes

435
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: the sort of adventure, kind of pulpy novels. He's one

436
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: of He had a recurring character named dirt Pit. I

437
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: love that name, dirt Pit. Uh. And I've read actually

438
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: two of his books, and actually I thought that they

439
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: were even though they were pretty absurd, they were actually fun.

440
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: You know. I see why he's been writing for as

441
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: long as he's been writing. Yeah, I see why he's

442
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: I see why he's got a best selling fan base

443
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: because his stuff is fun. Yeah, there's a lot of

444
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 1: authors out there like that. Yeah yeah, yeah, so it's yeah,

445
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: totally unbelievable, but still a lot of fun. So yeah

446
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, also a murders like great beat reads. Yeah,

447
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 1: but anyway, we never do we never explain the structure

448
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: of the ship. Just let me finished up with with

449
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 1: then't realize we're done. Sorry. Clive Cussler, besides writing this stuff,

450
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: he is really interested in a lot of his stuff

451
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: is sort of ocean based and and he's really interested

452
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: in finding Rex. And he actually he actually found the Huntley,

453
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: which do you guys know what the Hundley is, right,

454
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: doesn't ring a bell? The Hunley was a submarine built

455
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: by the Confederacy. Oh yes, yeah, do you remember this one? Yeah, yes,

456
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: so yeah it was it was most notably that the

457
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: most thing was good at killing was its own crew.

458
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: Because but but the Hunley was basically the first, uh

459
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: or at least one of the first submarines. And it

460
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: really was just a ship with a structure built around

461
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: the top of it that sank a couple of you're

462
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: thinking about you're thinking about like the Monitor or the Merrimack. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

463
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: that the Hunley was a little different it was actually

464
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: cylindrical with tapered ends and tell us like a folded

465
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: piece of paper. Yeah, and it's like uh, and it

466
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: had I can't remember how many crew I think half

467
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 1: of does. And and basically they sat inside this tube

468
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: and just cranked, uh these cranks to turn the screw.

469
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,159
Speaker 1: And then at the front of it, oh yeah, and

470
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: at the front of it there was the torpedo. The

471
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: torpedo turned out was not a great design because it

472
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: was a long pole with a big, big powder charge,

473
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: black powder charge on the end of it. And so

474
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: they would go run up to a ship and and

475
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: ram the ship and the chart the charge would go off,

476
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: and but then they would be stock to the ship

477
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: and then we go down with the ship. So it

478
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: didn't really work out that one. And it was I

479
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: mean there's pictures right where it's like a dude standing

480
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: next to it, you know, and it's it's smaller than

481
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: he is. It's not a huge a very small vessel, right, Yeah.

482
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: I would I couldn't even get into something like that,

483
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I would call the claustrophobia would

484
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 1: overwhelm me that, you know, and much less go underwater. Yeah,

485
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: no way. But anyway, that's so he found that. He

486
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: helped find that, Yeah, he did. He was part of

487
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: the effort to find that, which is pretty cool. Now

488
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: do we want to talk about the ship? Oh yeah,

489
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: let's let's get back to talking about the ship. So

490
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: it's you facilitate loading coal on other ships. They had

491
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 1: this superstructure that was basically a lot of it was

492
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of like a box, like a skeleton ice box

493
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: that were like vertical vertical steel posts on either side

494
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: and then cross members, and then they had these cranes

495
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: that could they could either move it by bags of

496
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 1: coal or else they could scoop coal out and dump

497
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: it into the holds of other ships with these with

498
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: these cranes. And so they had like a whole bunch

499
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: of cranes on this thing. So it was this the

500
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: this was I know that the Cyclops was a colier.

501
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: Was this it's Was this the standard design or was

502
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: this a kind of a new design. I don't know

503
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: enough about this loading of vessel steaming to guess. Yeah,

504
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: I I to tell you that I don't know how

505
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: many colliers were built with this particular design, just the

506
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: class of four I know, Well that's I knew that much.

507
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 1: But I'd never I'd never heard of anything that was

508
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: this way. So that's why I was wondering if it

509
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: was unique. The class was unique that way. I don't

510
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: know how unique this class was, to be honest with

511
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: something I should have checked on. Actually it's hard to say. Okay, yeah,

512
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: so it's got a whole bunch of upright. Yeah, it's

513
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 1: got this whole big superstructure. Yeah, this whole big, huge

514
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 1: superstructure that's like like a friend, like the framework of

515
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: a building almost, And then they've got all these cranes

516
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 1: and stuff to to move cold back and forth. And

517
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: actually that's considered. Well, we'll talk about that later, I guess, Okay, yeah,

518
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to get too far ahead.

519
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: I just knew we needed to explain that, and we

520
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: screwed up and didn't. Yeah, I did mention the course,

521
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: said the guy named Donald Fraser did find what looked

522
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: like the wreckage of a lifeboat from the USS cyclo.

523
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with ours, But that's it. I mean,

524
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: that's possible if this guy was telling the truth. But

525
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: he also said that he out of the suck on

526
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: the hull of the ship about two thousand yards away

527
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: and this was in uh, this was a gun key

528
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas. Yeah. Yeah, and so the second all

529
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: of the ship about two thousand yards off of the key.

530
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure what to make of this because

531
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: this would be way far off of the cyclops. Is cool? Then,

532
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and I was gonna ask, did he spot this ship

533
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: below or above water? Under the water? Was he above

534
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: or below water when he spotted it? He was above

535
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: he was in a boat. Yeah, So I'm not sure

536
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: what to make of that. I would imagine that it

537
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: would have been spotted again since then if he well yeah,

538
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: and uh, it's not there now, it would have been.

539
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: It would have had to have been in pretty shallow

540
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: water for him to spot it. Yeah, that's why I

541
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: was asking. Yeah, and you know, if he was diving,

542
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I could see where he could have made a significant

543
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: depth and that's why nobody had noticed it. Yeah, and apparently,

544
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: uh yeah, they went back. When they went back and looked,

545
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Navy went back and looked

546
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: at whoever did, but it wasn't there anymore. And I'm sorry,

547
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: ship for X don't just move right, No, not really, no,

548
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: they don't. Yeah, there they go and they plucked themselves

549
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: down to the sand, and they're pretty much they're roots.

550
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: Something pretty enormous to uproot those things and move them.

551
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: This this was in the twenties, right, this is in February.

552
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: It's going to say most of the k's or keys,

553
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: depending on what if you're in the Bahamas or are

554
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: the United States, are now owned by cruise ships, by

555
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: cruise liners. They're all owned private. Yeah. Most of those

556
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: caves are the ones in between, like the main islands

557
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: of the Bahamas and Miami, because they're good stop points

558
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: on the way back. So yeah, and you know, looking

559
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: up gun K, it looks like it's it's probably owned

560
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: by it looks like it's be one of those islands

561
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: that's probably owned by something else. But in the nineteen

562
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: twenties it probably wasn't. But you know, I was going

563
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,239
Speaker 1: to say, if it was more recent, that seems like

564
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: this is a thing that a cruise ship company would

565
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: haul away pretty quick. It's definitely not. Yeah, so never mind.

566
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: My point is moot, Okay, where were we? So that's

567
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: about the end of the story. Really. Now it's time

568
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: for the theories. Yeah, Okay, these are all theories which

569
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: have been floated, either at the time or since there's

570
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: quite a few of the Yeah, there really is, Okay.

571
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: Our first theory is that it was an octopod um

572
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: Doctor whom you're familiar with, Yeah, I know. He discovered

573
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: that the cyclops have been attacked by an octopod whose

574
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: spacecraft had crashed in the BERMDA triangle. Was this was

575
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: the one? Wasn't this the one? That was the that

576
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: was the pirate ship one? There? There have been a

577
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: ton of nautical ones nautes, And I am ashamed as

578
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: a Hoovian to admit that I actually don't know what

579
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: episode I was talking about. No, actually I don't know either.

580
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: I just stumbled across this. But you also don't love

581
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: Doctor Who. Like well, I love Doctor Who. I just

582
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: haven't watched it nearly as comprehensively as you have. But

583
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: I still like Doctor Who. It's awesome. But I got

584
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 1: to get back into watching Doctor Who. I Well, you

585
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 1: picked the wrong time, but really, I know because of Netflix.

586
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: I mean, either Doctor Who wouldn't lie about it, but

587
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: turned out. I don't know if you guys know this

588
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: or not. I know this blasphem, but Doctor Who's not real?

589
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: What don't tell anyone. Can you hear them yelling at us,

590
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: what's the next one. We're gonna be responsible for a

591
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: lot of broken eye? Yeah, alright, well I was going

592
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: to say the mystery is solved because doctor who's never wrong. Okay,

593
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: let me let me go to the next one. Somebody

594
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: actually put out an account claiming this is true. A

595
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: giant octopus. You know, at the time that this happened,

596
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: giant octopuses were responsible for everything. On the flip side.

597
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: There are such a thing as giant octopus. There are,

598
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: But every ship that went down was taken down by

599
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: a iron octopus who was angry for some reason. And actually,

600
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: and by the way, although giant occupied do exist, I

601
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: don't know that there's anything that could take down this ship. Yeah, yeah,

602
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: just by grabbing it and sing. I don't know. If

603
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: it was severely overburdened already, probably wouldn't take all, you know, Yeah,

604
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: and just down over Yeah, everybody who's not in the studio,

605
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: devon just mimicked the sucker motion of an I made

606
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: the noise something and pulling it. They didn't see what

607
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: was happening. They don't know. The octopus probably didn't actually

608
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: even care if he sunk the ship or not. He

609
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: probably just wanted to turn it upside down and shake

610
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: it so all the goodies would fall out it into Yeah.

611
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: But anyway, this this did appear in a magazine called

612
00:33:54,800 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: Literary Digest. Yeah, alright, why not? Next theory? It was

613
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: the Bermuter Triangle. Now you don't like that, okay, actually

614
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: talking about that, I wasn't. I was actually heavily investigating

615
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 1: the thing and until I got a threatening note from

616
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: the Bermuda Triangle. And I was just gonna say that

617
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: it cracks me up all of the coverage of the

618
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: Permiuter Triangle gets when A it's actually not a defined space,

619
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: and B it is just a clever use of statistics.

620
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 1: You're the one shut up. It's a real thing. Yeah,

621
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: God damn it, I thought seen. I have seen maps

622
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: of the Bermter Triangle. Dude, the triangle, the real thing.

623
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: It just cracks me up that all of the reported

624
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: sinkings and downings, and yet the number of things that

625
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: go through that area are never talked about. So the

626
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: bath comes out to not that amazing. No, No, it's

627
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: a pretty it's a high traffic area, there's no doubt

628
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: about us. I think of all the cruise ships that

629
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 1: are running on the power chords, how do they at

630
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: those tangled up? What? Listen? It's very complex. Okay, yeah,

631
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 1: it's the system of boys. I can't I can't explain

632
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: it to you as it's very classified. Okay, Okay, my

633
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: memory I think was wiped. Probably, I'm not totally sure. Yeah,

634
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember that nine months of my life for

635
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: a long What else is up here? Oh? What are

636
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 1: we looking at? For? Nothing? In gas pockets? And this

637
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: series has been floated for a while now, but apparently

638
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: there are big pockets of mehing gas in the seafloor.

639
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: So about this in a different episode? Didn't we I

640
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: think we did, but I can't remember which one, can't

641
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 1: um it would have been, yeah, the one I think

642
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 1: it was the Ring mcdan, yeah, which obviously wasn't right,

643
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, okay, could stay more things.

644
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, y uh yeah. Anyway, So if you just

645
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: happened to be sailing over that exact patch of water,

646
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: well it's kind of bad luck for you. Apparently the

647
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: density of the water drops so much that your ship

648
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: loses buoyancy and you just dropped like a rock and

649
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: down you go. And this has actually been confirmed and tests.

650
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: Some researchers actually built or required a large ship model,

651
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: put it in the tank, released a bunch of methane

652
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 1: underneath it, and it did go down. What changes the

653
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: displacement is when it changes, well, it changes that the

654
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: buoyancy or it exeums me the density of the water

655
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: becomes so much less that essentially you don't have enough

656
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: buoyancy been much wider to keep afloat. So the theory

657
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: that that it could sink a ship has been proven.

658
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: But has the theory that methane bubbles of this size

659
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: actually exists interrupt in the sea frequently? Has that been?

660
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: That has never been established. Nobody's you know, nobody has

661
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: ever actually recorded any actually incidents of the wait is

662
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: the theory, like, Okay, the methane gas bubbles burst in

663
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: the ocean, presumably, but we don't have any records of

664
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: it because well, guess what if we did have a

665
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: record of it, that ship wouldn't have sung can. Yeah,

666
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: it probably happens on a frequent basis, but they're not

667
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: large enough. That's that's the thing here. It's all in

668
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: the size, not the matter that it's happening. Or when

669
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: it's happening, but it's in the concentration. You wouldn't have

670
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: to be that. But I mean, you know, really all

671
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: you need is a small a smallish pocket when something,

672
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, something that's a fourth of the size of

673
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: your ship. If your ship is overburdened already, the front

674
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 1: of it loses buoyancy, you're probably going to go taking

675
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: on water. Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. So it wouldn't

676
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: have to be that it was as large as the ship, right,

677
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: but that's still a huge pockets. That would be a

678
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 1: lot of that thing to be suddenly burping up from

679
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: the seafloor. Yeah. Going back and forth on this, I

680
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: kind of like the idea that those like, not only

681
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: are are you losing buoyancy with somebody on the bridge

682
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: and it's just lighting a cigarette at that exact yeah,

683
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, but quite quickly. So yeah, so you burn

684
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: in sinc. Yeah, someone's like smelling around like who farted? Yeah,

685
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: and why are we thinking gross? Yeah, that's what methane is. Uh.

686
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: But that's so that's a good theory, but it is

687
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: it's partially proven, right, then it could happen. But also

688
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: we don't think that methane probably is probably not. It's

689
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: like it's been proven in theoria that could happen. But again,

690
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: it just doesn't appear to have ever actually happened in

691
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: your life. But who knows. I mean, but we wouldn't

692
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 1: have proof of it, would not proof Yeah, because this

693
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: ship just disappeared. Ye yeah, although generally speaking when ships,

694
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: when ships go down, it's usually because of things like

695
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: bad luck, bad weather, human air more things like that.

696
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: Especially Yeah. Yeah, alright, the next our next theory. I've

697
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: seen this one out there and the series that the

698
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: manganese or in the hold was unstable and it exploded. Yeah, well,

699
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: according to my research, maganese manganese is actually pretty stable.

700
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And so I don't know what that. I

701
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,240
Speaker 1: don't know who the hell came up with this one. Okay,

702
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: so what do you guys have any thoughts on that? Yeah? Okay,

703
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: now this page of theories ahead of us. No, yeah,

704
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: there's better ones out there. If we needed to pad

705
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: this episode, I'm could. I just didn't want to cheat

706
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 1: our listeners. I want to I found every last possible

707
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: and people people put forth a lot of theories about this.

708
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: They really have our next one a boiler explosion took

709
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: out the radio room and set the ship on fire. Yeah,

710
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: except the boilers would have been in the back of

711
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: the ship near the stern, and I can't imagine why

712
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: the radio room would have been back in the stern

713
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: of the ship then not up near the bridge or

714
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: even next to the bridge. So I in a way,

715
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: I could see there being some viability to this theory,

716
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 1: though I don't see it working on its own. There's

717
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: some stuff that we're going to talk about a little

718
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: farther along that I think could have happened in conjunction

719
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: or exasperated the problem if the boiler had gone. You

720
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: might need me to say exacerbated, Yeah, that word. If

721
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: the boiler had gone and exploded and caused structural damage,

722
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: that would have, you know, then just set off a

723
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: chain reaction of problems. But I don't think that if

724
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: it was in a ship that was in perfect health

725
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: and the and a boiler had blown, now, I don't

726
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: think that that's possible. Yeah. The thing about this this

727
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: ship is too is that the Cyclops apparently reportedly had

728
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: some problems. It did, but it was still a relatively

729
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: young ship, and I don't think the boilers were. Actually,

730
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't think the boilers would have been the problem.

731
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I think the boilers were in perfectly good shape. It's

732
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: also I mean, I guess it's also hard to tell

733
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: where your satellites. But you know, looking at the ship,

734
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: there's so much structure there. I can't tell all if

735
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: even if the radio room was where the bridge was,

736
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: because that would make sense, right if your antennas are

737
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: maybe in the back or maybe part of the structures.

738
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: If something in the back did explode, regardless of the

739
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: health of the could you know without taking the radio

740
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: room out. I don't think it's a good theory, but

741
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 1: I just wanted to add that. So Joe just said

742
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,560
Speaker 1: something that that got me thinking, which is the ship

743
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: was young enough that the boilers and I agreed wholeheartedly.

744
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: Now I'm I'm second guessing that is this ship was

745
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: young enough and should have been good enough condition, and

746
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 1: yet it had an engine problem that was significant enough

747
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: that that engine had to be shut down. So that

748
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: could be you know, that could show a larger issue

749
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: in terms of the entire propulsion system. So potentially the

750
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: boiler could have not actually been in that greative condition.

751
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: I guess for me, I'm inferring the condition of one

752
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: thing based on an which is not right. Well, and

753
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm more willing to say, like an engine that's in

754
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: the water and sucking a lot of stuff through it

755
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: is way more likely to have something, you know, accidentally

756
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 1: get pulled through it or get damaged and have that

757
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: be an external damage that happened to it that was unfortunate,

758
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: but that happens sometimes versus the boiler just being crappy

759
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: and exploring. You know, you're not getting external stuff like

760
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: if you accidentally, as macab as it is, suck a

761
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: dolphin through your I think they have filters. I think

762
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: they too, write But if you, I mean, you know

763
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: that obviously, But if you or anything, I mean, you

764
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: pull anything through, even a tin can, oh my goodness,

765
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: do we just go back and your corn that I'm sorry,

766
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you have just set against I know. I'm sorry.

767
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of upset people, you know.

768
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: But so if you, I mean, if you pull anything,

769
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: you know, the filter for some reason is failing, or

770
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: even if it's just a tiny little thing, a tiny

771
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: little rock, even pulled through something like that is enough

772
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: to really buck it up. And I don't think it

773
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: had caused an explosion. No, I don't think it cut

774
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like through an engine submerged, that makes

775
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: more sense to me than you know, saying, well, it's

776
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: a problem system wide. I'm just I what I was

777
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: inferring was the health of one component is indicates the

778
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: health of the entire system, and that is not a

779
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: correct assumption, but that is just kind of where I went.

780
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: It's a possibility. But yeah, that the cylinder head that

781
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: was cracked, if that indeed was what it was, it's

782
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: probably made by somebody else other than the boiler maker. Anyway,

783
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: I don't like the boiler explosion series simply because I

784
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: still think the crew, even if the radio that would

785
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: have had time to deploy the lifeboats. So yeah, that's

786
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,439
Speaker 1: why I'm not buying this one. Or the very least

787
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: degree would have been found. Yeah, that's for sure. If

788
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: the ship exploded, yeah, there there would have been the

789
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: would be stuff floating around. Probably. The next theory is

790
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: that they were torpedo by German U boats, which was

791
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: a very popular theory at the time, but there's no

792
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: supporting evidence. They've gone back and looked. Yeah, after the war,

793
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: they asked the German government, the Germans who Germans, by

794
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: the way, they're very good at keeping records. Yeah, yeah,

795
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: that kind of very good. After the Holocaust, that kind

796
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: of got them in hot water actually, But yeah, and

797
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 1: this is not a joke. Yeah, now it's not a joke.

798
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean that certainly was got a lot

799
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: of them strung up after the war. But anyway, back

800
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 1: to that, they had no U boats in the area

801
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: at the time of the disappearance, they said, and they

802
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 1: had no record of sinking the cyclopes. And also again,

803
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: when you torpedo ship, they usually don't just explode and

804
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: and burst into flames. Usually it takes a little while

805
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: to sink. Yeah, and somebody on the bridge probably sees

806
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 1: that ship coming. Yeah, they don't see the shot coming.

807
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: Let's say it's at night, it explode Rhodes and the

808
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: ship takes a while to go down, Yeah, it should.

809
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 1: It should. I mean unless it just broke the ship

810
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: into and it just like the perfect None of this

811
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: makes sense because nobody was there next our next srey mutiny.

812
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Now, there was an article of Time magazine

813
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: just last year, mark of last year. Yeah, we speculated

814
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: that the disappearance might have been a quote botched mutiny unquote. Uh,

815
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: the uncovered startling new evidence that Captain Wary was disliked

816
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: by other officers goods and that attempted mutiny. But actually

817
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: what they're doing, they're just quoting from that same telegram

818
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: from David Livingston and Barbados, so that was talking about uh,

819
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: and then they're going to explain that the mutiny caust

820
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: of disappearance by well, actually they don't. That was a

821
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: pretty crappy little article. Uh. Yeah, it's like they say

822
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: it might have been a botched mutiny and that they

823
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: don't explain the exactly how so I think we can

824
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: dismiss this one. You know, I do for entertaining reading,

825
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I would recommend that people go look up the records

826
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: on Worsley because there it's pretty funny some of the

827
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: things that he says. And it's funny because of the

828
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: time the language is different. So alcohol for medicinal reasons,

829
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: but then accusing people of being sex maniacs and so

830
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: it's it's really an entertaining read. Yeah, actually it is.

831
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: And yeah, when he was accused of all this stuff,

832
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: he made some counter accusations. Yeah, it's it's and who

833
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: knows who's right. I mean maybe maybe Worsley has been defamed.

834
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah he could have been, yeah, I

835
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: mean yeah, alright, so we got that so much from Utty.

836
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our next one. And this was

837
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: this was a big one at the time. Yeah, I

838
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: would believe that, Yeah, this is treason that that did.

839
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: I mention earlier that Captain Worley was suspected of having

840
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: pro German sympathies. Well, you had talked about that. We

841
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't that his name wasn't originally that, but then that

842
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: was all gave people. Yeah, yeah, Worley as far as

843
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: a navy and you had been born in San Francisco.

844
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: But it turns out that he didn't was born in

845
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: San Francisco. He jumped ship from a German ship in

846
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: San Francisco. Yeah, it turns out Worley was actually born

847
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: Johann Vikmon in Germany, and he jumped ship in San

848
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: Francisco in eighteen seventy eight, and he illegally entered the

849
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: US and e actually sometime after that changed his name

850
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: and eventually became like a ship's master or whatever you

851
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: would call it, and captained a lot of ships and doing,

852
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, more or less cargo for the far East

853
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: to the US then jumping ship. Yeah, I believe it

854
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: was so. Yeah, I think he was quite a young

855
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: man when he did it. Then, well, he was born

856
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: I think I have heard in eighteen sixty two, so

857
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: at the time of the sinking of the Cyclopes, and

858
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: he would have been in his mid fifties. Yeah, okay,

859
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: but he would have jumped ship. Yeah, that happens, Yeah,

860
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: he would. He turned out to be a German. They

861
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: found this out after the after the vote went missing,

862
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: and one of the passengers who joined at the last

863
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: minute was Alfred gut Schalk, who was the U S

864
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: Council General in Brazil at that time. But he uh

865
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: supposedly quit his job and said that he wanted to

866
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: go back to the States and enlist to go fight

867
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: the Germans, although other people said that he was very

868
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: pro German, and also it was suspected there were a

869
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: lot of other German sympathizers in the crew. David Livingston,

870
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: again the Council General in Barbados and it sent his

871
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: telegram to the State Department said quote have names of crew,

872
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: but not of all the officers and passengers. Many Germanic

873
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 1: names appear while not having Yeah, while not having any

874
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: definite grounds, I fear fate worse than sinking unquote. And

875
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: of course I talked about his suspicions about about the

876
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: extra stuff that he took on board in Barbadoes, and

877
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 1: that would have and in fact, if they did intend

878
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: to sail across the Atlantic to Germany and turned the

879
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Cyclope and its cargo over to the Germans, this would

880
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: kind of explain the unscheduled stuff in Barbados to pick

881
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: up the extra cold and the extra food and and everything.

882
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: According to David Livingston's telegram, the Cyclops took on a

883
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: ton of meat, a ton of flower, half a ton

884
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: of vegetables, and so to him it looked like Worthy

885
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: was planning extended cruise, Yeah, exactly. And he also took

886
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: on another six hundred tons of coal, So that was

887
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: livingston suspicion. And also I read this in an old,

888
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: an old article in Popular Science that the Navy at

889
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: some point got and this was before the end of

890
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: the war, they got word from an Asian in Germany

891
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: that he had seen the Cyclops in Kiel, Germany, so

892
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: that that also feels suspicions uh, that they followed up

893
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: on that. It turned out to be a German ship

894
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,919
Speaker 1: that just happened to be named Cyclops. It wasn't our Cyclops. Yeah,

895
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't our Cyclops. Uh. There was another room at

896
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: the Navy got a letter from a pow Germany who

897
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: said that he had talked to several members of the

898
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: Cyclops crew in his pow camp in Germany. I'm kind

899
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: of discounting that one. And so this could have happened,

900
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean it maybe, But the reason I don't really

901
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: buy into this one, even though it was a very

902
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: popular one at the time, it was seemed to me

903
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: to be very foolhardy to try to cross the Atlantic

904
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: with only one engine functioning. I would say more than

905
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: fool hard Yeah. Yeah, that's a very gentle term. Yeah yeah.

906
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: And again there's no there was actually no reason to

907
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: suspect either warlies, loyalties or got chalks. Loyalties were all

908
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: the rest of those Germanic people that were in the crew.

909
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: I think that the Cyclops would have been a much

910
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: greater danger if they had sailed across, because they might

911
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: have they might have run into a U boat and

912
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: they would have been a juicy target. They would have

913
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: had no way. U boats don't radio over. Are you

914
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: a friendly? Yeah? They just shoot? Yeah. Well so Also,

915
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: I mean if you look at if you look at

916
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: the profile the cyclops, you know, they have these things

917
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: called ship profile charts, you know, and and and the

918
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: Germans look and they see, is there anything in the

919
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: German navy that looks like that? Nope, Okay, kill them,

920
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 1: And that's what they did. Also, cyclops had a really

921
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: distinctive look, and it certainly would have been spotted in

922
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: whatever port it wound up in unless the cruise thumb

923
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: oh hell yeah. And of course the Germans would have

924
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: had to kill everybody in the ship who wasn't pro German,

925
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: since nobody ever turned up. Again, the records don't show this,

926
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: although maybe they would have covered that up. I don't know.

927
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 1: It probably is kind of important to point out that

928
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: the Germans, the Germans of World War One, weren't quite

929
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: like the Germans of World War Two. It's completely different mentality. Yeah, yeah,

930
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: they I don't think they would have committed mass murder,

931
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, of civilians. Now, that wasn't that wasn't on

932
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: the dock. And so I think we can discount that one.

933
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that's what happened. I think we need

934
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: to discount the next one too, But go ahead and

935
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: tell people, oh yeah, well this one has been floated

936
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: also that there were German a German agent or agents

937
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,280
Speaker 1: on the ship and they committed sabotage. They basically wanted

938
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: a bomb or numerous bombs. Yeah. Yeah, Steve has his

939
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: notebook out, but I'm not sure if it's about this

940
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: one or the next One's for the next one. Okay, yeah, okay,

941
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: So anyway, so they plant time bombs, sabotage the radio,

942
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: pop in a lifeboat and row away away and then

943
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: the ship goes bluey and goes down. Yeah so yeah,

944
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so either. Also, what do they do

945
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: with the lifeboat? What do they do with the lifeboat?

946
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: They got to some somewhere and then they sank it,

947
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: burned it or maybe or maybe that was that that

948
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 1: wreckage that that guy found on gun Key two years later.

949
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: The cyclot paint trying to paint over the name, but

950
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: they didn't have enough. Yeah, they left the extra can

951
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: on the ship. Maybe yeah, yeah, what's next? R next

952
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: one is actually a little more credible. Um. This essentially

953
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: is that a combination of things bad weather, poorly loaded cargo,

954
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: and just bad design caused the boat to roll over,

955
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: take water, and just sink suddenly. Yeah, and that's the

956
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: That was the U. S. Navy's official theory pretty recently

957
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: after that and that, But although they have stressed that

958
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: they don't really know. First of all, the Cyclops was overloaded.

959
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: I believed that the cargo was not well trimmed, and

960
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: that there was explained to people what you mean by

961
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: well trimmed? Yah, welcome, Yeah, welcome. When a ship is

962
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 1: out of trim, that means that well, in this case,

963
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: stepping forward or back, left or right, exactly the ship

964
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: is the centered balanced, Yeah, exactly balanced. It's the same

965
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: thing by trim all his nautical terms. Yeah. One thing

966
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: that people point to this, this is another thing that

967
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Worley gets a bad rap for, is he was known

968
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: for being a jerk and locking up or confining to

969
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: quarters the experienced mans retribution for some slight and putting

970
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: the guy who wasn't very good at the job in

971
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: his place. So there's you'll see people say that was

972
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 1: directly at his his fault. But yeah, I've heard it

973
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 1: both ways. I have heard like for example, the Wikipedia

974
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: page on this particular thing claims that the guy who

975
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: would have been in charge of supervising this, who was

976
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: much more experienced and supervising the loading of the of

977
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: the manganese coal, was gonna fined to quarters, and a

978
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: much less experienced crew member was was actually supervising the loading.

979
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,919
Speaker 1: But then I heard from another very credible source that

980
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: the Cyclops was loaded into the supervision of Captain Warley

981
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: himself and also a guy from the Brazilian colding company

982
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: named Manuel Pereira. I guess I'll just bring up quickly

983
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: that just that just because you're the captain of a

984
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,359
Speaker 1: ship doesn't mean you know how it should be loaded, right,

985
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that necessarily a pilot of

986
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: a plane could look at a cargo hold and be like, yeah,

987
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: that's right. The one thing I will point out about

988
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: word is he had been doing this job long enough

989
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: that you know that, like we talked about before, there

990
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: was the the failed mutiny and I and all of

991
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: those things had happened, and he had been brought under scrutiny,

992
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,720
Speaker 1: but he never got kicked out of his job for

993
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: the very basic reason nobody else could fill his shoes.

994
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: Nobody else knew how to pilot or I shouldn't a pilot,

995
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: but captain this particular brand of beasts. But just because

996
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: you know how to drive the thing doesn't mean you

997
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 1: know how to load it. That's true, Just as I'm

998
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: not going to disagree with that. I'm not going to

999
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: say either way because I've never had to load a cargo. Yeah.

1000
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, but it's that same thing, right. It's like,

1001
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if just because you can captain a thing,

1002
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: if it means you know what it would look like

1003
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: when it's loaded, right, So just if even if he

1004
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: did oversee the loading of it, doesn't necessarily mean it

1005
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: was loaded, right. Yeah, No, not necessarily no. But and again,

1006
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: most of his experience, and this guy named manage Mentoi

1007
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 1: of the Brazilian coal company, those guys were used to

1008
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: dealing with coal and that manganese, which is a completely

1009
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: different critter. Yeah, manganese is twice as dense as coal,

1010
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: and which means that you normally, if you feel with

1011
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: the whole of the cyclops the hold, uh, you're filling

1012
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: it all up. You're filling it all the way up

1013
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: with coal. And so cargo shifting is not a problem.

1014
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: But since you're only filling it up about halfway or

1015
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: maybe two thirds at the most, then the cargo has

1016
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: moved has room to move around. Is that this may

1017
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: be a silly question about coal, I assume is like

1018
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: bricks of coal. Well, it's like rocksna manganese. How's that transported?

1019
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: Also chunks yeah, chunks yeah, yeah, chunks of more. Yeah,

1020
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's not going to fill the entire space

1021
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: to the ability to shift, right, yeah, right. And actually

1022
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 1: also mentioned something else. The ship was top heavy because

1023
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: of the superstructure all all that whole framework and the

1024
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: crane and everything like that. That's a lot of weight

1025
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,919
Speaker 1: really high up in the air. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, might

1026
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: expect in the Bahamas. I always this makes me if

1027
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: you're trying to understand what the problem is is have

1028
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: you ever seen the drinking bird, that silly little thing

1029
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 1: that people have on their desk, which is water on

1030
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: the bottom and then a tall long tube and then

1031
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: a weight on the top that but those on their

1032
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: desks anywhere? But yes, okay, that was that was ok

1033
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: I have one shut up. The point is that this

1034
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: the way this ship is with that weight only filling

1035
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: part of its hold is exactly like the drinking bird.

1036
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 1: If you tap the bottom, it's going to very easily

1037
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: roll because there's a ton of weight up high and

1038
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: a ton of weight up down low, but nothing in

1039
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:54,959
Speaker 1: the middle to stabilize. Yeah, and it's just nobody knows

1040
00:57:55,000 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: exactly how well they did. Well they did they? And

1041
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: I've got a quote here. If I was gonna this

1042
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: guy named Alfred P. Wrack R E c K about

1043
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: the wreck. Does he write about undersea Rex? Yeah? Well

1044
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: he wrote about this rack. Yeah. He wrote this long

1045
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: article in the June nine issue of Popular Science called

1046
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: Strangest American c Mystery has Solved at last, longest article

1047
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,200
Speaker 1: title ever in Popular Science. Yeah. Now, so he actually

1048
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: got access to Navy documents from the investigation. Uh. And

1049
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: he quotes from one report quote ten thousand, eight hundred

1050
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: thirty five tons of manganese stowed direct on wood, dunnage

1051
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: and bottom of hold. Reports differ as to whether cargo

1052
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: was trimmed level or left somewhat higher in the middle

1053
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: inclined to ladder belief. Vessel also had four thousand tons

1054
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: of water, mostly in double bottom. So far as ascertaining

1055
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: those steps taken to prevent increasing of metacentric height governing

1056
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: top heaviness, and this must have been considerably increased. That's

1057
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: not a good way to load that. Yeah, no, if

1058
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: they that the big question. He basically saying the weight

1059
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: was put at almost the waterline so that it would

1060
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: make the center of the ship the pivot point. Is

1061
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: that what that says? Well, I think I think what

1062
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: he's saying is that the is that by piling it

1063
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: high in the center, because if you do just stump

1064
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: it in there and you don't spread it around, then

1065
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: and you've gotta and you've gotta higher in the middle.

1066
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: So it's an that that raises your center of gravity. Yeah,

1067
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: and I think increase also the possibility of cargo shifting

1068
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: because well, and it's unsecured, right, we're saying basically in

1069
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: my image, right, they have this big old hold that's

1070
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: just like a big with a pile of raa in it,

1071
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: and they're like, that's fine, whatever, that's cool. And you know,

1072
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: if it were full and you would have your canvas

1073
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: over it or whatever, if it were coal, right, it's

1074
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: not going to shift around really that you're fine. But

1075
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: if it's only half full, Yeah, you said that, whatever

1076
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: we throw the canvas over it. You hit a wave,

1077
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 1: most of it goes fly in one way or the other.

1078
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: You're you're out of luck like that. It's a really

1079
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: bad news, especially if you're top heavy. Yeah, because you're

1080
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: just going to keep going. It kind of depends too.

1081
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean, there's such a thing as rogue waves. Yeah,

1082
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: if you hit a rogue wave, if you have a

1083
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: rogue wave hits it broadside. Um. And also again, the

1084
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: other thing we don't know is what kind of shape

1085
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: there they're functioning engine was in. I mean it could

1086
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: have quit. And if you're in a storm with heavy

1087
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 1: seas and suddenly you've got no power, you're really screwed.

1088
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: Even if you only have half power, Even if you

1089
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,439
Speaker 1: only have power on one side, that's true, it would

1090
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: be hard. Rogue wave hits you on the other side

1091
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: and all your cargo goes. Let's talk about the storms,

1092
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 1: because I've heard conjecture that there was and was not

1093
01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: storms during their time. So what what is the official

1094
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Speaker 1: the official prognancy? It was there storms? Yeah, that was

1095
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 1: that was a storm. There was that was most definitely

1096
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 1: a storm. I think that one of the guys that

1097
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: has put out this idea that there was it was

1098
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: all a calm and sunny and nice. Is this guy

1099
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: whose name eludes me and besides which I don't want

1100
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: to give him publicity anyone, but he was promoting the

1101
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: whole Bermuda triangle and scary stuff. Okay, I'm fine with

1102
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: ignoring nothing. Yeah. So he's all like it was calm

1103
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 1: and sunny, but no, that it was. It's well documented

1104
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: that storm warnings went out late on March ninth, nineteen eighteen,

1105
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: March tenth. The winds were the winds got up to

1106
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: like sixty miles an hour as well as were huge

1107
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: reported again by that molasses tanker that we were talking about,

1108
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: the mulco Um. They passed through the same storm, and

1109
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: the captain himself said that he was certain that that

1110
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: storm sank the Cyclops. He his his boat, of student say,

1111
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: his boat is ship, the Amalico suffered a hundred fifty

1112
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: dollars in damage from the storm. And uh and again

1113
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 1: this is nineteen eighteen, so that's real money. Yeah, I

1114
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: know it's chump changed today, but it's real money. That's

1115
01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: real money back in those days. Yeah, so I was

1116
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: the storm. Let's talk about the storm angle here for

1117
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,400
Speaker 1: a second. So One of the things that I wanted

1118
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: to talk about with the storm is for ships that

1119
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: are this big and and larger. I started doing some

1120
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: research on cargo container ships, and I've heard about this,

1121
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: but for the life of me, I couldn't find the

1122
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: name of the ship or the suit that was involved

1123
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: with it. But the common perception and understanding of how

1124
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: to deal in a large ship in a big storm

1125
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: is to stay in the trough You don't want to be,

1126
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, running up and down the peak of waves.

1127
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: You want to try and stay in the troughs as

1128
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: much as possible. It's kind of hard to do that.

1129
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: It is hard to do that, but there's you know,

1130
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: to a degree it prevents, you know, a cargo container ships.

1131
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 1: They're super crazy tall and they don't want to roll around,

1132
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: and so there's ways to go about that, and there

1133
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 1: was this common perception of the best way to do it.

1134
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 1: And this was I think five or ten years ago.

1135
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: A ship went down in insurance company was like, no,

1136
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 1: we're not paying out your claim. Your guys obviously didn't

1137
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: do what they were supposed to. So they got some

1138
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: very smart people involved who started figuring it out. And

1139
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: what they determined actually happened is if the winds are

1140
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 1: at the right speed and the waves are actually the

1141
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: right duration apart, the common way to approach of trying

1142
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: to stay in the trough doesn't work. Instead, it creates

1143
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: this this frequency of role which very quickly escalates and

1144
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: will roll a ship over. So it's a thing that

1145
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 1: you know, everybody on board is not aware of. It

1146
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: just it just a little bit, a little bit, and

1147
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: then it just builds and accelerates and we'll roll the

1148
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: ship this phenomenon. And so that's why I wonder where

1149
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: the ship that's as top heavy as the cyclops in

1150
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: a sea where they're like, oh, well, no, it's but

1151
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: we definitely don't want to be rolling over the top

1152
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 1: of that big wave and back down the next one.

1153
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: Let's try and stay in between them. They could have

1154
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: got themselves into a scenario where that that frequency would

1155
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: have happened and would have rolled the whole thing, which

1156
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: would then would explain everything's okay, everything's okay, we're on

1157
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: the side and we're under From my time on a

1158
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: cruise ship, uh, in my nautical experience, no one of

1159
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:28,640
Speaker 1: the things they treating about is like, if you're in

1160
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: enough seas if you start taking on water, you're s

1161
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 1: o l an inch of water is what they always

1162
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: told us, And this could be totally wrong, but all

1163
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: it takes is an inch of water on your like

1164
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:45,120
Speaker 1: middle deck, and as soon as that starts hitting it's

1165
01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna increase it so much. So they always said

1166
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: to us, Yeah, the most effective way to survive a

1167
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: storm is to drive around it. Storm. You run away

1168
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: as fast as you can. Oh yeah, no, I'm a coward.

1169
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: You run away every time, literally do. But you just go,

1170
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, you you try to hit as far as

1171
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 1: the edges you can and then you just kind of

1172
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: just try to ride it out and but if you can't. Right.

1173
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: But the other thing that I will say is that

1174
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 1: from where they were going, especially since they were and

1175
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: they were in the Palma's right, it was documented they

1176
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: were they were in Barbados. But Barbados, Yeah, I mean,

1177
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: it's not like wildly open seas out there, you know,

1178
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: Like it's one thing if you're doing an Atlantic crossing

1179
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, Okay, we're screwed. There's this huge storm.

1180
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: We're going to ride the trough and just hope for

1181
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: the best. But it's there another to be going up

1182
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: the Atlantic coast like they were going up the coast. Actually,

1183
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: Barbados is actually just go straight up. He's almost directly

1184
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: south of Baltimore. It's almost I mean it's not. Yeah,

1185
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: but it's but you don't necessarily, I mean, there are

1186
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: shipping lines like you don't you're not just like, but

1187
01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's a straight line here, so we're

1188
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: going to take that. You ride the currents. Yeah, I'm

1189
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: not sure exactly, but I would I would guess it's

1190
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: not let's go all the way out to the open

1191
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: sea and they well they would have been pretty much

1192
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 1: out in the up and sea, but you know, they

1193
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: could have gone straight as an arrow. They probably sort

1194
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: of veered towards the coast. And when they weren't like

1195
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: hugging the coast. No no, no, I don't mean like

1196
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: right up on it. But if you're also not like,

1197
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, seventy eight nine hundred miles out in the

1198
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: middle of the ocean where you can't go around things,

1199
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 1: you can't just drop anchor and try to write it

1200
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:32,240
Speaker 1: out or whatever you do. But it is, it's it's

1201
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: one of those things where it's just like once you're

1202
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: out there, you're out there and you're done. Yeah, they

1203
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: could have very easily run around the storm. But I

1204
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: think and they may not have had the power to

1205
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 1: run around the store on a single engine. They may

1206
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: have looked at it and said all hell yeah. But

1207
01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,440
Speaker 1: as I'm saying, you know, if if an inch of

1208
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: water will make a difference, imagine what a half full

1209
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: hole of really dense material if it's swaying back and forth.

1210
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't and the waves don't even have to be there. Yeah, no,

1211
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: there was. Yeah, It's been said that if you get

1212
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 1: water into the hole and and and you get water

1213
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: in the hole, then apparently it makes the manganese much

1214
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: more slippery and it becomes a slurry you just slide

1215
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: back and forth, just turns into gel basically, not quite that,

1216
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: but essentially it'll be a lot more mobile than it

1217
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: would be if it was dry. Yeah. Okay, So the

1218
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 1: cargo shift, rogue wave, top heavy, all that stuff. That's

1219
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: that theory any more thoughts you guys? Yeah, yeah, I mean,

1220
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,800
Speaker 1: I mean this is actually a viable theory. It's one

1221
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: of the more viable theories that I've seen. The road

1222
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 1: waves slash, cargo shift, Yeah yeah, yeah, Well and by

1223
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: the way, did we We didn't say what a road

1224
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: wave is. Yeah, road waves. It's like this, this wave

1225
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: that's kind of had a bad up gramming bread. It's

1226
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: uh yeah, exactly. Yeah. The rogues waver are just out

1227
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: of the blue, amally. Yeah. And they happen, they do,

1228
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: they do. Yeah. I mean, you know, if you're not

1229
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,480
Speaker 1: expecting it and it suddenly washes over the deck of

1230
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: your ship, it's gonna cause a lot of problems. Yeah,

1231
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: And they do happen. And so especially in things like storms,

1232
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: you can get big waves. You gotta have a few

1233
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 1: that are extra big waves. Alright, But so much of

1234
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: that theory, I think it's a very strong possibility. And uh,

1235
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: but let's look at our last theory, which says that

1236
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: it was a design flaw in the ship itself, which

1237
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 1: has some good lakes to stand on. It kind of does. Yeah,

1238
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: there was uh, as I said earlier, the ships in

1239
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: the class, there were four of them. They all met

1240
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 1: a bad end. One of them, that Jupiter, was converted

1241
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 1: to an aircraft carrier and it became the Langley. It

1242
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: was the first aircraft carrier built by the U. S. Navy.

1243
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: It was damaged by a Japanese attack in World War

1244
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: two in nine two in the Pacific and it was

1245
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: scuttled by the crew and uh so there's no mystery there.

1246
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: But the other two Proteus and Nereus uh left St.

1247
01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: Thomas virgin Islands in November and December one respectively, and

1248
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 1: they were both headed to Canada with loads of box

1249
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: side or and both of them vanished without a trace.

1250
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:09,839
Speaker 1: Also also with this exactly like the Cyclops, they just vanished.

1251
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 1: But they're somehow not mysteries I'm seeing. I've seen the

1252
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 1: pattern there. Yeah, for some reason, the Cyclops, this is

1253
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 1: a big mystery. But interesting it because they had is

1254
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: it like a racist thing? Like it's because they had

1255
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: a German captain the Cyclops. It's probably that could be

1256
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 1: part of it. Um Now box eye. Box eye is

1257
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 1: used to make aluminum and it's not nearly as volatile

1258
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: under wet conditions as manganese. Is that correct? I have

1259
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 1: no idea, to be honest with him, Okay. I remember

1260
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: reading about box side just because it was weird and

1261
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: it related to last week's episode with Bob Marley because

1262
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: it's something that comes from Jamaica. But I didn't remember

1263
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: if there was the slurry effect with it. Yeah, this

1264
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure about. Yeah, but it has been

1265
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 1: suggested that maybe the cargo shift isn't the deal. And

1266
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: what it was is they all suffered catastrophic structural failure

1267
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:08,720
Speaker 1: due to correl from cold dust. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,

1268
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 1: you said you found a quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, found

1269
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: a quote from a study called Corrosion and biled Steel

1270
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 1: by Coal and iron Ore, which is this quote. They

1271
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: pronounced increase in corrosion rate was observed at a moisture

1272
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: content between six and eight percent of the maximum water

1273
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: holding capacity for all samples. The corrosion rate was also

1274
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 1: observed to increase with decreasing particle sized distribution, meaning that

1275
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: the fight of the dust, the nasty of the corrosion,

1276
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: and uh, he's gonna find a lot of moisture and

1277
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: a lot of coal dust on the Cyclops and also

1278
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: on the proteus and nereus. Well, they were all called

1279
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: floating rust buckets. Yeah, and they weren't that old. I mean,

1280
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: they weren't that but yeah, a crewman that was on

1281
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: the cyclops, he was got off of it before they sank. Yeah,

1282
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,880
Speaker 1: I said it was in terrible shape. I would also

1283
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: explain maybe why and engine yeah, you know at that

1284
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: point if something had corroded there. Yeah. Yeah. And there

1285
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: have been other instances of not just chips in this class,

1286
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: but are freighters snapping in two and these two these

1287
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: three boats were excuse me, ships were very long. And

1288
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: now how did the hold was in the middle? Yeah,

1289
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:25,799
Speaker 1: and how did they seal the hole with canvas covered?

1290
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: So you know, obviously water got in there and mixed

1291
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: in with the cold dust and rusted the hell out

1292
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,479
Speaker 1: of everything every time. Yeah. And so between this, between

1293
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 1: it being structurally compromised and going to really heavy seas

1294
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,200
Speaker 1: in a storm, it's not hard to imagine it just

1295
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 1: snapped into yeah, absolutely, Yeah, and bam uh. I justn't

1296
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: something you really want to think about. If you've ever

1297
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: really been on any kind of ship. Didn't a new vehicle.

1298
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to think about corrosion snapping. I don't either.

1299
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: That's why we don't do that with coal anymore, right,

1300
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: we don't power cars with coal anymore. Well, then it

1301
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: turned out, yes, yes, Stefan, that is exactly okay, cool,

1302
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: good reason. Yeah, By the way, cruise ships these days,

1303
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: they're not coal powered. I know, I told you they're electric.

1304
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: We plug them in, but they they have a ridiculously

1305
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: shallow draft. And I know they do this so they

1306
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: can get into harbors and stuff like that, but some

1307
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 1: of them do not. All yeah, well, and they're stabilizers

1308
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 1: and there's lots of technology. Oh because yeah, I was

1309
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 1: just I was just wondering about that. But no, I

1310
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 1: mean the bigger the ship that obviously the deeper. Yeah,

1311
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: the draft and the ones that make the cross atlantic

1312
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,280
Speaker 1: journey have our way. But you know, most ships don't

1313
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 1: do that. Most of the cruise ships these days, they

1314
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: just kind of hug the coast and stop a lot

1315
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: of places, even the ones that it doesn't matter. I

1316
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: know our listeners like to listen to me talk about

1317
01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 1: cruise ships sometimes, but I'm not going to go too

1318
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: far that interesting. I agree. Actually they need to like it.

1319
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: So one of these is we're gonna have one of

1320
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: those cruise ship junkets where you can you can take

1321
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: a cruise with the cast of Thinking Sideways podcast right

1322
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: for it'll be just Joe and Steve because it is

1323
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 1: not going back, not going back in there, man, alright, gon,

1324
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: We're gonna hire an actress to play devon as long

1325
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: as that scarlet Johnson, I'm okay with them. I'm all

1326
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: out of theory is unfortunately, I know you'd like to

1327
01:13:22,520 --> 01:13:24,040
Speaker 1: go on with us forever, and you guys have any

1328
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: more thoughts on this about breakings, I mean, because if

1329
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: you think about it, Okay, so we've got a slight,

1330
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: we've got a compromised structure into because of the coal

1331
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:40,000
Speaker 1: dust and it's eroding everything. And if you're in heavy

1332
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 1: seas and the waves are far enough apart and they're rising,

1333
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 1: so the bow in the stern are being lifted, but

1334
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: the middle of the ship is no longer supported by

1335
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: as much water, that weight is gonna make it snap.

1336
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if if, if suddenly the for sure the

1337
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 1: structure is weakend. Yeah, it's not good, but it probably

1338
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: it's much more likely. And again given that the two

1339
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: sister ships both disappeared equally as suddenly, Yeah, I don't know, radio, Yeah,

1340
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. Does it though, Like I mean, we

1341
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 1: were just talking about like the Titanic, right, it took

1342
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,639
Speaker 1: it suffered a very catastrophic event until it took hours

1343
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: for that thing to think once it's snapped, though it

1344
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:31,879
Speaker 1: didn't take hours Yeah, if it's snapped. If it's snapped

1345
01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: into it went down really fast. And here's the deal.

1346
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,640
Speaker 1: That's like a couple of minutes, a couple it's not

1347
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: as if a couple of seconds snap and it's not

1348
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: it's not a cartoon. It's not where it goes whoop

1349
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: bloop and goes straight down. It's gonna roll over on

1350
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: itself and the bridge is gonna go underwater. Yeah, therefore,

1351
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,679
Speaker 1: no no radio content. Although if you see that rough,

1352
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 1: maybe you like the last contact with the cyclops, right,

1353
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,639
Speaker 1: was like that good weather a good yeah right, I'm

1354
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,360
Speaker 1: like the sort of thing if you hit rough seas

1355
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: you would say, like, hey, everybody out there in the

1356
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:11,360
Speaker 1: radio world, just so you know, it's really rough out here. Yeah,

1357
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:13,759
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm not sure exactly what the rules

1358
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: were then. I mean it was it was because it

1359
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: was wartime, and so you didn't want to just be

1360
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: broadcasting willie nilly because you transmission. But if you're well

1361
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 1: that big, you probably do want to let even you

1362
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: even don't really want your enemies to be caught in

1363
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: something like that. And if you ship it out there,

1364
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: even they're gonna get screwed just as hard as you are.

1365
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: They're not going to torpedo you. You're They're going to

1366
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: be like, well, I guess we better survived this thing

1367
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,560
Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes. Yeah, I don't know. It

1368
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: could be Remember like also radios weren't as reliable because

1369
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, it might have been like in the case

1370
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: of Joida, that maybe they had had something out, like

1371
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: a Nintendo was down and they didn't even realize it

1372
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,439
Speaker 1: and they're busy broadcasting and nothing is getting out. Possible. No,

1373
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 1: there are a lot of options here, and I I'm

1374
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 1: totally happy to agree with you that it probably was

1375
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: some porrible mixture of Rough Season Rust that yeah, I

1376
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: think so. Um, but it will be a great band name,

1377
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 1: by the way, Rough Season Rust. Yeah, that's already in

1378
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: my band name. Just trying to like girl band name. Yeah. Yeah.

1379
01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: So the Cyclops was a huge deal back in the

1380
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. It was one of the one of those

1381
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 1: huge unsolved mysteries. It just captivated everybody's attention eventually because

1382
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like the Titanic, it's too big

1383
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 1: to sink. Yeah, I know, and and uh, and then

1384
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: it sort of faded. But then along came this whole

1385
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: idea of that for me to try and go back

1386
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: in the nighteen twenties and ninteen tens, nobody knew about

1387
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:47,440
Speaker 1: the Revater triangle. It didn't exist if nobody had invented

1388
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: the story exactly. So of course not yeah, and so interesting.

1389
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: The Cyclops got revived because of that, and uh, and

1390
01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: so it's still with us today. I mean I I

1391
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 1: found articles from on the internet about it. People are

1392
01:17:04,360 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: still writing about it. But the Cyclops are the Permeter

1393
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: triangle about the Cyclops about the Bermeter triangle. Say, we're

1394
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: never going to get rid of that story triangle, Oh no, no,

1395
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: but but there, Yeah, they're still writing about it. And

1396
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,640
Speaker 1: and the thing that really revived it was all this

1397
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: interested in the Bermeter triangle and and the Cyclops. You know,

1398
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 1: as far as we know, it wasn't even in the

1399
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: Bermuter triangle when it's sank. If indeed it sank, it

1400
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 1: might indeed have been transported to Germany or picked up

1401
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: by the Martians. It might have been in the Bermuda octagon. Yeah,

1402
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: it might be on the vast oceans of Mars. Yeah,

1403
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 1: it could be curiosity. Yeah, well, isn't it um platoon that,

1404
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: it turns out, is totally water under the surface. It's

1405
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: not Neptune. It is a moon. It's on the top

1406
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: and liquid underneath. Probably nice to know that we've got

1407
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: a fresh reserve of water if we use a all

1408
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: the water on Earth. Yeah, I remember that. I don't know.

1409
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: But are we done? What's going on? That's it for

1410
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: the theories. Uh, you know, I think that one of

1411
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: these days the wreckage and the Cyclops will be found. Uh.

1412
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: And we have a pretty good idea where it is.

1413
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 1: Although that Joe you think, you don't think it's was

1414
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: as much of a rust bucket as they say it

1415
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,839
Speaker 1: was when it went down to the point that it's

1416
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: let's just say it's snapped in half. That thing is

1417
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: our That steel is so compromised. I can't see it

1418
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:42,639
Speaker 1: surviving another fifty years in salt water. Here. My heart

1419
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 1: will go on. Good job, I'm sure just like the Titanic,

1420
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: Just like the Titanic, we will find the Cyclops. We will,

1421
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 1: I think. So it's near or far wherever it is, Okay,

1422
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: I was I was gonna I was gonna give a

1423
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 1: like asc our listeners to start a Kickstarter campaign to

1424
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 1: raise funds so us to go because we have the

1425
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 1: latitude and longitude of where Dean Hass saw his wreck.

1426
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what, No, no, no, we have to

1427
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:15,960
Speaker 1: go further than that. We have to go to all

1428
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: of the different case and the bomb. I gotta go

1429
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 1: to Brazil. I'm saying whatever he thought, I don't care.

1430
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,320
Speaker 1: We have to start the source. I think you're right.

1431
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 1: I think you all right. So you guys U, Yeah,

1432
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: raise some more funds. Yeah, addition, Yeah, that's to Brazil. Yeah,

1433
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: it's an extra. It's an extra for like waxes and

1434
01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,839
Speaker 1: stuff like that in bating suits. We're a Harry bunch. Yeah.

1435
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: I was like, thanks, Oh damn, Yeah, you're welcome. We

1436
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 1: can watch your head. What do you want to go for?

1437
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: You want to go for the doctor? You want to

1438
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: go for breaking in two? I think we gotta clean one.

1439
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm breaking in two. So after breaking into Yeah, the doctor,

1440
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: the doctor. I always go with the doctor too. I

1441
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,919
Speaker 1: think it rolled. Do you think it roll? You don't think?

1442
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 1: You don't think I've broken too. I think that it

1443
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,800
Speaker 1: may have begun to break once it rolled, But I

1444
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 1: have a few I just feel like it rolled over alright. Well, second,

1445
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: my second theory after the doctor is breaking into Yeah,

1446
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: now I'm gonna go with the design flaw. Yeah. Okay,

1447
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 1: well we've obviously settled on an exact answer doctor yeah,

1448
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: the doctor. Ah yeah, so you're at doctor who half

1449
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 1: of this tom foolery. Um. So, folks, if you don't

1450
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: know where to find us and get your episodes, we

1451
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 1: are at Thinking Sideways podcast dot com where you can

1452
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: download episodes. Uh, and you can also leave comments and

1453
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: we'll have links out there, so we'll post some links

1454
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: to this one. And also you can find us on iTunes.

1455
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:55,240
Speaker 1: If you do, please subscribe and leave us a review

1456
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: in a rating hopefully really good review and rating. You

1457
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 1: can stream us from all over the at webs We

1458
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: are also on Facebook, of course. Yeah, so like us,

1459
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,479
Speaker 1: follow us and join the group you don't want to,

1460
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 1: you know, we we have a group out there, so

1461
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where all the action is. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: of course we are on Twitter. Who's not on the Twitter? Right? That?

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Speaker 1: That that is thinking sideways, Uh, not thinking but thinking

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Speaker 1: and uh. We're also if you want to send us

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Speaker 1: a message, we are on Gmail. Let's think Gmail. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are on the Gmail at Thinking Sideways Podcast at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. We have a subreddit. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you find it, good luck. Uh. And lastly, we

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Speaker 1: are on Patreon, so that's patreon dot com slash thinking

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Speaker 1: sideways that if you want to support the show, and

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Speaker 1: it's totally optional, of course, but if you want to

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Speaker 1: pledge a certain amount, appreciate it. Who is participating? Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. Yeah, there's lots of people who have

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Speaker 1: and really appreciate it. Because we do have expenses, believe

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Speaker 1: it or not, and bribes must be paid. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: pay off Theodore Bundy, Yeah, pretty much, theater Bunday Chuppy

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Speaker 1: has to be paid protection. How come? How come Choopy

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Speaker 1: never made an appearance in this episode? Why is he

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Speaker 1: not the culprit? He doesn't want to be anymore? Do

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Speaker 1: you did you miss that meeting? Do you miss that email? Threat?

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Speaker 1: Chuopy doesn't talk to me anymore? Chippy Chippy has an alibi. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Chippy Chuppy actually was in Europe scaring the pants off

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Speaker 1: the natives at the times. Yeah, though he might have

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Speaker 1: farmed the workout. You never know. I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: saying Chippy can't hire a sub contract. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we're done. I guess we're done. Yeah, I'm glad we

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Speaker 1: got to the bottom of this. This is a very

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Speaker 1: solemn subject. I can't be laughing about it. Yeah, to

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Speaker 1: lu be careful, what should you get on? Like we

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Speaker 1: aren't we? In order to Caprio, I was like what

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Speaker 1: it did for him