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Speaker 1: Fish Stripe's Unfiltered Episode number thirteen. My name is Aazi Gazoot,

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Speaker 1: joined as always by the great co host Kevin Barrall

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Speaker 1: and the producer behind the scenes, Eli Susman.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, how are you doing today? Man? I'm excited you're

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Speaker 2: hosting for the first time. You won. You won your

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Speaker 2: fifth Jeopardy game, So finally off the show and we

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Speaker 2: got Eli Sussman or Boss, your great friend here today

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Speaker 2: to talk CBA and some Marlin stuff that you want

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Speaker 2: to throw in there. Man, Yeah, it should be fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm losing my hosting virginity today on episode thirteen. Didn't

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Speaker 1: take too long. Eli, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Bro?

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Speaker 3: I'm in disbelief. This is the first time that you've

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Speaker 3: been hosting one, but it's I'm happy to be we

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Speaker 3: time this one really well where we have some breaking

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Speaker 3: glasses of wine heading into this. I'm loose, I've got

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Speaker 3: some takes. This will be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm excited. I'm gonna go write to you. Eli.

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Speaker 1: The CVA meeting has just ended. You know, a matter

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five minutes ago. This seemed to have

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Speaker 1: been the longest timed meeting so far of the two sides.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us, I want you to start

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Speaker 1: off with something positive, even though there's nothing.

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Speaker 2: Really to be too happy about.

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Speaker 1: Just give us something that you know the fans going

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Speaker 1: to be like, Okay, at least there's some sort of progress.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's easy for the YouTube watchers that can see

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Speaker 3: this gift of Rob Manfred walking in a loop at

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Speaker 3: Roger Dean Chevrolet Stadium. So this was the first day

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Speaker 3: that Manfred was reportedly in person at these meetings between

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Speaker 3: the owners and the players Association, and the fact that

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Speaker 3: he was there, it sounds like based on the reporting

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Speaker 3: from Evan Drelich of The Athletic from Hanna Kaiser of

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Speaker 3: Yahoo Sports, it sounds like he met actually one on

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Speaker 3: one with Tony Clark. For people that know that history,

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Speaker 3: those who have not had a very good relationship through

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Speaker 3: the years, it's a decent sign that they finally recognize

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Speaker 3: the urgency of this situation. We record it on Friday,

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Speaker 3: we're posting this on Saturday. Monday is this self imposed

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Speaker 3: deadline from Major League Baseball that they say that is

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Speaker 3: new collective bargaining agreement in order to save the original

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Speaker 3: opening day of March thirty first, which means that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the fact that they needed to make some significant progress

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Speaker 3: was not going to work. As we'll get into a

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Speaker 3: I think it may be pushing past that deadline that

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Speaker 3: MLT has suggested. At least they made some progress today,

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Speaker 3: like specifically in regards to the draft lottery, and just

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Speaker 3: a general step in terms of giving teams more incentives

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Speaker 3: to be competitive. That has been a theme in recent

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Speaker 3: years in baseball where we just see organizations and the Marlins.

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Speaker 3: You kind of got to include them in here. What

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Speaker 3: makes clear that they just don't care about the wins

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Speaker 3: new CBA, in this particular element of it, they're taking

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Speaker 3: steps to change that. Finally, just little steps to make

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Speaker 3: it more incentivize for teams to want to win games

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Speaker 3: the thing is done as to what exactly those circumstances are.

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Speaker 3: But this is something that has throughout the entire process

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Speaker 3: that the players Association has been pushing forward. It's one

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Anel, I'm gonna go right back to you really

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Speaker 1: you know, the mutually agreeing on is the draft lottery?

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Speaker 2: What are they furthest apart on.

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Speaker 3: Still well, the one thing that they still seemingly have

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Speaker 3: owners essentially want to just keep going with what they've had.

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Speaker 3: They realize that this has been very advantageous for them,

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Speaker 3: saying that the very best players, the Juan Sotos of

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Speaker 3: the sport is continuing to grow, and that's not right.

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Speaker 3: They need to They see this the CBT threshold as

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Speaker 3: their opportunity to open it up to finally give an

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Speaker 3: opportunity for these players to earn what they're worth, and

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Speaker 3: they have not been because everybody is in this crunch.

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Speaker 3: If you have this threshold that's holding all these payrolls down,

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Speaker 3: then and there's just not the same competition for the

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Speaker 1: And you make the point. You know, teams like the

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Speaker 1: farm system as much as any team in baseball. You know,

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Speaker 1: you see most of their guys on their starting lineups,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Dodgers catchers, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: What you know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've been, you know, updated

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Speaker 1: with the CBA negotiations. How important is it that after

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Speaker 1: a twenty twenty season where we only played sixty games.

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Speaker 1: What is your optimism level that are opening days on

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Speaker 1: March thirty first, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I haven't talked about this too much actually with you guys,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know. I don't think there will be

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Speaker 2: I mean, these sides seem so far apart, but so

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Speaker 2: close at the same time, because now we see the draft.

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Speaker 2: They've agreed on some stuff, you know, the d h

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Speaker 2: which is gonna help out the Marlins with Garrett Cooper,

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Speaker 2: we get the draft lottery. That's it's okay, It's gonna

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Speaker 2: make teams more competitive. In my opinion at least because

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Speaker 2: it makes sense. You want to see teams compete. It

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Speaker 2: example right here. I know Eli knows this. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how much you know, Isaac, but the NBA draft lottery,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty much what it's gonna be. If we look

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Speaker 2: you don't have to fall into that draft lottery and

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Speaker 2: possibly not get the number one overall pick. Because in

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Speaker 2: this case, tanking just wouldn't be the best way to

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Speaker 2: go through it, because I don't think teams in MLB tank,

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Speaker 2: but they're bad and we've seen that with the Marlins,

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Speaker 2: we've seen that with the Pirates Orioles. Now Diamondbacks seem

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Speaker 2: like they're going to huge rebuilds. So if that draft

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Speaker 2: maybe tanking isn't the best way to go on like

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Speaker 2: a quick rebuild. So I don't know. I really don't

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Speaker 2: optimist and say I want I think they'll get a

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Speaker 2: think so. I don't think they'll get into that deadline.

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Speaker 2: Maybe season will get delayed day or two, maybe a

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Speaker 2: after another and we'll get baseball back on March thirty first, hopefully.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that makes a good point by the draft lottery,

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Speaker 1: because it'll really make it more advantageous two teams to

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Speaker 1: really just not do that twenty eighteen twenty nineteen season

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Speaker 1: that Miami did. That A lot of teams, like you

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Speaker 1: losing one hundred and five games for consecutive years, and

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons is because they know that their

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Speaker 1: know they will have a top three pick. And you

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Speaker 1: If it doesn't, if it comes to the twenty eighth,

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Speaker 1: then there's no agreement in place. ELI when can we

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Speaker 3: So my take on this is that even if they

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Speaker 3: I think is super unlikely, I'm still really skeptical about

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Speaker 3: them having opening day on schedule. I know the MLB

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Speaker 3: maybe half a little over half of their forty man roster.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna take some time for players to just report

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Speaker 3: that for free agency for trades to get settled. Were

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Speaker 3: just to remind people we are basically the halfway point.

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Speaker 2: Of the off season.

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Speaker 3: When the lockouts set in halfway, only half of the

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Speaker 3: there was basically no movement on that at all before

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Speaker 3: the lockout. There are so many cases you can almost

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Speaker 3: hoping for.

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Speaker 1: You know, you like you've been telling me that, You've

437
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Speaker 1: been telling us this for two weeks now. I think

438
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Speaker 1: it's February twenty fifth, at seven thirty seven where I'm like,

439
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Speaker 1: you know, there's no way in heck that opening days.

440
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Speaker 2: Just think about it.

441
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Speaker 1: Three weeks of spring training games, all these players have

442
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Speaker 1: to sign, all these players.

443
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Speaker 2: Have to report.

444
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 1: They're gonna get to what some player are gonna get

445
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Speaker 1: one week of spring training games.

446
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Speaker 2: It's not gonna work out.

447
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Speaker 1: They're gonna need the late spring training at least, i'm sorry,

448
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Speaker 1: opening day at least a week two weeks. I think

449
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Speaker 1: Eli mentioned it April fifteenth as a possible date. Jackson,

450
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's a that's a Correig date,

451
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Speaker 1: but we're all gonna have to wait and see. Unfortunately,

452
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Speaker 1: can we see.

453
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Speaker 2: Like one of those summer camps and how we saw

454
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Speaker 2: the preseason games where they went to for example, the

455
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Speaker 2: Marlins went to Atlanta and they played the Braves in

456
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Speaker 2: a preseason We could see something like that. Maybe that

457
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Speaker 2: would be helpful, although well has.

458
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Speaker 1: Another way to go, yeah, to recamp.

459
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Speaker 3: How that went in summer camp. The Marlins only played

460
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Speaker 3: two exhibition games before that season it was added Atlanta

461
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Speaker 3: you mentioned, I mean, even more so than just getting

462
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Speaker 3: the players healthy. Spring training is important for position battles,

463
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Speaker 3: for deciding who actually makes it seem that that's the

464
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Speaker 3: biggest thing. That teams were able to get a good

465
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Speaker 3: chunk of that before the pandemic struck and it was

466
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Speaker 3: almost to three and a half weeks a spring training, Yeah,

467
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Speaker 3: before that happens, and so they were able to get

468
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Speaker 3: a gauge depending on certain teams. Certain teams don't have

469
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of battles, but everyone has some of them,

470
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Speaker 3: and even if they don't wait the results in spring training.

471
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Speaker 3: This is a conversation we have every year about what

472
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Speaker 3: spring training stats actually mean. Maybe they don't mean a lot,

473
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Speaker 3: but you still want to try guys in different positions.

474
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Speaker 3: And I mean, the one critical reason why you need

475
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Speaker 3: a long spring training is to get starting pitchers stretched out,

476
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Speaker 3: and at this point it seems pretty clear that they

477
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Speaker 3: won't even have an opportunity to get fully stretched out

478
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Speaker 3: for this year. The question is exactly how baseball adjust

479
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Speaker 3: for that, Like, they'll see some pretty crazy things, I

480
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Speaker 3: think in terms of bending the rules, as we saw

481
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, maybe expanding the rosters, having more guys

482
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Speaker 3: make the opening day rosters just because starting pitchers aren't

483
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Speaker 3: fully ready to be starting pitchers, that they're just not

484
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Speaker 3: built up enough. That's probably what I would expect, I could.

485
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Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident in that actually that you would see

486
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Speaker 3: more than a twenty six man roster at the start

487
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Speaker 3: of the year in order to do this right and

488
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Speaker 3: to preserve health and the integrity of these games.

489
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and even during under normal circumstances, you know these

490
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Speaker 1: pictures when they leave spring training, when they report opening day,

491
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Speaker 1: they're still not fully fully stretched out. You know, you

492
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Speaker 1: see guys be careful with their young starters right off

493
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Speaker 1: the bat in April and in May. They're not going

494
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Speaker 1: to full eight you know, one hundred pitches yet, so

495
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Speaker 1: I imagine under just.

496
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Speaker 2: Three weeks, and to focus.

497
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Speaker 1: It on the Marlins. I know though you know, the

498
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Speaker 1: roster's pretty much set, you know for some besides some cases,

499
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Speaker 1: but spring training was gonna be very important to see

500
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Speaker 1: how a guy like haes Uzzardo performs, Edward Caberra performs.

501
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: And there's only two and a half three weeks of

502
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Speaker 1: spring training games to be very tough to properly gauge exactly.

503
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Speaker 1: You know, how they're reporting, how they're looking injuries and whatnot.

504
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Speaker 1: So it's not looking good. The last thing you know

505
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Speaker 1: about this topic is spring training, like we said, delayed

506
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Speaker 1: another three days from the original March fifth deadline. Minor

507
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Speaker 1: League spring training, Kevin Eli, when can we expect that

508
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Speaker 1: to be normalized soon?

509
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Speaker 2: Soon?

510
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Speaker 3: Minor League spring training is going on schedule. I believe

511
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Speaker 3: this next week is when the official reports it is

512
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Speaker 3: in and hopefully we get both of you guys up

513
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Speaker 3: to Jupiter to observe what's going on there that is

514
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: going as scheduled. Okay, the players caught in between, we

515
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Speaker 3: don't need to go into this too much, but there

516
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Speaker 3: are players on the forty man roster for the Marlins

517
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Speaker 3: and all other teams that are still prospects, and they're

518
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Speaker 3: the ones getting screwed here where ideally they would be

519
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 3: with the other minor leaguers in the Yeah, they can't

520
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 3: even they can't play in minor league games until lack

521
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: of has fully resolved either. For the vast majority of

522
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: guys who are not on the forty man rosters, that's

523
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Speaker 3: JJ Bloday, that's Max Meyer, that Shiuri Perez, Khalia Watson,

524
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Speaker 3: Jose Salas. That's a lot of star power that is

525
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: going to be at minor league spring training that is

526
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Speaker 3: in full swing this week. If you've been creeping on

527
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 3: these guys on Instagram, you've seen that most of them

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 3: have reported already. For the most part, a lot of

529
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Speaker 3: those guys are already in Jupiter, getting to know each other,

530
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Speaker 3: getting stretched out. They're having what is a pretty full

531
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Speaker 3: length spring training because Triple A Jacksonville opens on April fifth,

532
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: the other full season teams open on April eighth. All

533
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Speaker 3: those guys, with the exception of those forty man players

534
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Speaker 3: that are in limbo, most of this farm system is

535
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Speaker 3: getting together and it's getting ready, and we'll have a

536
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Speaker 3: whole lot of coverage on that. I'm sure on fish

537
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Speaker 3: strips on unfiltered in particular, that's gonna be fun to

538
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Speaker 3: cover kind of regardless of what may go wrong, what

539
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 3: may go right with the lackatt situation, these guys are

540
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Speaker 3: unaffected by that.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end of the day, it's baseball and

542
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: we're getting something, so especially with the Marlins.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if it's if it resembles anything like

544
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Speaker 1: minor league development Campbell is when I was, you know,

545
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to be up there a few times, it's

546
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Speaker 1: gonna be fun. You know, there's a lot of big

547
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: names out there that and guys that we can safely

548
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: assume will be in Little Havn at some point in

549
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Now that we got all the depressing

550
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: us out of the way, we can sort of go

551
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: back in time. Since there's no new Marlin stuff to cover,

552
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Speaker 1: We're gonna go back in time to a majority of

553
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Speaker 1: the Derek Jeter Bruce Sherman era.

554
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Speaker 2: More depressing.

555
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Speaker 1: We're gonna see a little bit more depressing the twenty

556
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Speaker 1: nineteen season. To start, they're coming off their first year

557
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Speaker 1: under Derek Jeter's ownership. They go out and they do

558
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Speaker 1: send a couple of you know, journeyman guys who had

559
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: solid careers in Neil Walker, Curtis Grandison, Sergio Romo, and

560
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Speaker 1: it ended up being so as of now, the worst

561
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Speaker 1: season under the new ownership. Kevin, I don't know how

562
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Speaker 1: much you remember from that season. I try to forget.

563
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Speaker 1: I'm old enough to drink through it.

564
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Speaker 2: You're not what the good.

565
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Speaker 1: And the bad of that twenty nineteen season.

566
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Speaker 2: The good. The good is we got leywin Ds. We

567
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: have to remember that we traded Sergio Roma, we got

568
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 2: leywin We got Jesus Sanchez that season as well, so

569
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,479
Speaker 2: we got some nice prospects. We got Jazz that season

570
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Speaker 2: as well. A little bit depressing at the time. I

571
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: was in shock when I saw that trade that we

572
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: traded Gallon after just how good he was. Neil Walking,

573
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Speaker 2: Curs Granderson are on the Marlins. I was a little

574
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Speaker 2: bit fun of see. I mean not much more than

575
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Speaker 2: there was just a lot of losing. We saw the

576
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Speaker 2: emergence of Sandy Alcandra, who was just really good at

577
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Speaker 2: that season. He started off a little bit slow and

578
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Speaker 2: then I think he ramped up. There's Pablo. We saw

579
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: a lot of Pablo Lopez that season as well. We

580
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: saw a little bit of a liezer and on the

581
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: come up, I was able to actually go watch one

582
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: of his games in Philadelphia, so that as well. I mean,

583
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 2: besides that, it was just a lot of losing. I mean,

584
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Speaker 2: Isaac Galloway was a Miami Marlin at the time. Peter

585
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 2: O'Brien was Mister September for the Marlins, if I'm correct,

586
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: I mean year before, year before, and then we had

587
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 2: Rossell Herrera on that team too, so something else there,

588
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,439
Speaker 2: and Urina was the opening day starter. So that's just

589
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,400
Speaker 2: a bad twenty nineteen season. After seeing how twenty eight went,

590
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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen won, which it wasn't horrible, wasn't. When you

591
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Speaker 2: know that record that you're seeing on the screen right

592
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: now for the YouTube viewers, which is fifty seven and

593
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: one oh five, you expected something better as they were

594
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: trying to get you know, that rebuild was supposed to

595
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: get better and better and better. It got worse, and

596
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Speaker 2: at the same time it was there was a little positive.

597
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Speaker 2: We got most of the you know, a lot of

598
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Speaker 2: young talent that's now currently on the team with Jazz

599
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Speaker 2: Jesus and Leywan, who I hope to see as an

600
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Speaker 2: opening day starter in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that that trade deadline, like you mentioned Kevin,

602
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Speaker 1: that was just like sort of the epitome of what

603
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Speaker 1: a guy like Michael Hill is.

604
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Speaker 2: Able to accomplish. You know.

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Speaker 1: It's just amazing how the amount of talent he was

606
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Speaker 1: able to secure or trading guys like Sergio Romo, like

607
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: training guys like Nick Anderson, like Trevor Richards and you

608
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Speaker 1: get these consensus.

609
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Speaker 2: Top prospects of their positions. That was probably the highlight

610
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Speaker 2: for me.

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Speaker 1: The other highlight was one of the best games as

612
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Speaker 1: a you know, a Derrek Jeter team, was that game

613
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Speaker 1: against the Braves on you Web night when you know

614
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Charlie Cashro tie, the game in Prada walking off. Those

615
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Speaker 1: are some of the positive Eli. I don't know if

616
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Speaker 1: you have any you know, favorite moments or that preposterous season.

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Speaker 3: I do everything that Harold Ramirez did that we're following

618
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Speaker 3: fifth starts back then. He was somebody that I was

619
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Speaker 3: high on as soon as they signed him to a

620
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Speaker 3: minor league deal, and I was Optimately he tore it

621
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Speaker 3: up at Triple A New Orleans for like a month

622
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Speaker 3: and then they just had no choice. That was at

623
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Speaker 3: a time the first quarter of their season. There were

624
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: all sorts of stats that you care about. How it

625
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: was just a historically bad offense through the first forty

626
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: games or so. They had no choice. It's a call

627
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: of Harold. For his first few weeks in the majors,

628
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Speaker 3: he was one of the hottest hitters in baseball. He

629
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 3: settled down, but I had a soft spot for everything

630
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 3: he did, for the style that he did it with.

631
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Speaker 3: I think we have a very short memory with certain players,

632
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: but Jorge Altharo during certain moments of the season, especially

633
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: early on and at the end and in the middle,

634
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: he was kind of inconsistent. That was by far his

635
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 3: best Marlin season. He was a really fun offensive player.

636
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 3: That was the season that it was. It's surprising that

637
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 3: fell off. It fell off in a couple of years

638
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 3: after that. How much power he hit for to all

639
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: fields like he had some of the longest home runs

640
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 3: of any catcher in baseball that year. And his defense

641
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: was fine. It was it was not a liability. He

642
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 3: wasn't playing left field. There was no reason to move

643
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 3: him off the catcher. He was a fine, decent defensive

644
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 3: catcher as well. And so the early returns of that

645
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 3: trade that I think we have discussed on previous Unfiltered episodes.

646
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: We're looking pretty decent. Alfaro is fine, and both him

647
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: and Harold happened to be both Columbian guys. The camaraderie

648
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: that they built between each other as friends as countryman,

649
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 3: that was the bright.

650
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Speaker 2: Spot for me. Oh and Easton Diaz made his debut

651
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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, hitting that home off Jacob de Bugram

652
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Speaker 2: and doing not much else.

653
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was offense, just trash.

654
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Urania sort of set the tone for that season.

655
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Just on opening day.

656
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: I attended as a fan, and he just got obliterated

657
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: by a Colorado Rockies offense.

658
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: JOYL.

659
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: Farrow did Homer on opening Day, So I know you're

660
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: leaving there and knowing, Okay, Urania wasn't that good. But hey,

661
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: your new catcher Homer and you'll Walker Homer and your

662
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: two new acquisitions hit home runs on opening day, so

663
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: that was something fun to look forward to.

664
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Speaker 2: Was Urania that bad that they didn't deal with him

665
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 2: at the deadline or they just didn't deal because they

666
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: didn't want to.

667
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: They just cod and they chose not to.

668
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, was that the year he was

669
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: he was hurt at the deadline one year.

670
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: Forget whether it was.

671
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: Yes, and that was also Sandy's first All Star Game appearance.

672
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: Let's remember Progressive Field that was probably.

673
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: The least deserving All Star that reported C. Yeah, I

674
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 2: think I thought. I thought Brian Anderson was going to

675
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: get it at the time, because Brian Anderson just had

676
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: a monstrous season that year. I mean, he and it

677
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: ended by injuries, but he really gave us hope that, man,

678
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: this guy is going to get a contract extension, future

679
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: third basement of future third basement for this team. I mean,

680
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: it just made all the sense in world. Now you

681
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: look at it now, it's just it's a little bit

682
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: of a limbo. You don't know where it's going to go.

683
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: But at the time, man, this guy was the best one.

684
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: And if we have to choose who really was the

685
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: best one, it would one Brian Anderson, who, in my opinion,

686
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: deserved the All Star appearance over Sandy at that at

687
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 2: that moment, yeah, I would have to agree.

688
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: It was very surprising when we saw that who the

689
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Marlins representative was for that All Star Game. But nonetheless,

690
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: we move on to the twenty twenty season, which had

691
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, a lot more positives. I'll be

692
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: in a short season, sixty games played.

693
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: Six so Sanchez emerges finally.

694
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: That is the second year of the JT.

695
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: Real Muto trade. Real Musa had a great.

696
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: Twenty nineteen season, but as since I wouldn't say fall

697
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: off fallen off, but has not performed at his all

698
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: star level that he's capable of.

699
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Kevin.

700
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Speaker 1: What are your takeaways from that twenty twenty season, maybe

701
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: aside from the obvious September twenty fifth game in New York?

702
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: What are your what are your favorites? Oh, this is

703
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: a great season. I mean we all know if this

704
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: was one sixty two, the Marmins wouldn't be where they were.

705
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: But just looking at it on a sixty games tra to,

706
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: Marlins found some good pieces, man, I mean, Jasmine his

707
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 2: debuty was okay. Monte Harrison was actually okay as a

708
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: base runner for us, especially in that Yankees game. If

709
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: we all remember that play where they hit him with

710
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: the ball and he got the third, I mean that

711
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: that was a crazy play. We saw Chad Wallach hit

712
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: one of the biggest hits in Marlon in that season

713
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: against the Braves. If we all remember that too. Isan

714
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: played what two games that season, Harold unfortunately got injured.

715
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: ELI And something you didn't mention from twenty nineteen is

716
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Victor I think it was Victor Mason Junior who was

717
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: that one prospect.

718
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: Yes, that is that is how over Sandy. That is

719
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: something that we forgot to mention. I forgot to mention

720
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 1: the prospect rankings of the season prior to you know,

721
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: the offseason of twenty nine. It was you wouldn't believe

722
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: that there was four guys ahead of Sanduel Contra ranked

723
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: in the twenty MLB dot Com pipeline ranking for the

724
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: Miami Marlins, and three of those guys included Victor Victor

725
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: Mesa six so Sanchez, which that would made more sense,

726
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: guys like Connor Scott as well as Monte Harrison rated above.

727
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: I pulled up the Baseball America one instead of Pipeline similar.

728
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: It's a lot better albe at Victor Victim Masa still

729
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: at number two and you move over to the next year. Well,

730
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: first of all, I can to ask you that how

731
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: much can we how much way could we put on

732
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:17,720
Speaker 1: the different platforms that release prospects. There's Fangrass, there's Baseball America,

733
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: there's MLB Dot com so many, a lot of them

734
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: releasing lists as of today.

735
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: What is your personal favorite?

736
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, the issue with Pipeline at the moment

737
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: and is that they don't update as regularly as the others.

738
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: As we're recording this, they're actually the only major outlet

739
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: out there that hasn't done any prospect updates, and that's

740
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: because they're intertwined with MLB itself and lockout. I think

741
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: that's related to the lockout that they have to push

742
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: back their plans even during the season. I'm not a

743
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: fan of how infrequently they update their stuff, and I

744
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: feel like you get extra depth from Baseball America in particular,

745
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 3: And maybe that's a opinion that's kind of been unpopular

746
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: because at the moment, Baseball America is lowered on the

747
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: Marlins farm system than just about everybody else. And so

748
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 3: I understand why people get defensive about that and frustrated

749
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: because the general perception is that the Marlins are on

750
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: a good track with their farm system depth. But I

751
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: believe their research is pretty outstands and when it comes

752
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: to that, and they have good reasons for being lower

753
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: than the rest of the crowd on that one. So

754
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: I kind of wait them a little bit heavier than

755
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 3: pipeline or fanographs or prospects live. But I checked them

756
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 3: all out. They all have them, but they give you

757
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: the full picture if you put them all together.

758
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and something that's scary on the Baseball America for

759
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: those watching on YouTube, guys like you San Diaz, Will Banfield,

760
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: Orge Guzman, Connor Scott, some of them not with the organization,

761
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: some of them at the bottom of the depth chart,

762
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 1: all ahead of Rookie of the Year runner up Trevor Rodgers.

763
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: So you just, you know, it sort of just you know,

764
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: it reminds you how fickle and how tough to really

765
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: gauge these lists are. Because Will Banfield was over Trevor

766
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: Rodgers just for yeah, exactly. So you know, we go

767
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: back to the twenty twenty season. ELI, had it been

768
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two, what is your perception of

769
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: that team. I think a lot of fans, I'm sorry,

770
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans sort of went all

771
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: crazy when Miami did make the playoffs. One it was

772
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: expanded playoffs too. It was a sixty game season, so

773
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: I think a lot of fans went all resert saying,

774
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: oh my god, it is Mi Miami Marlins team is

775
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: discussing they're nasty, they can beat anybody.

776
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 2: They were trending down towards the end of that sixty game,

777
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 2: so they were and they got pretty lucky.

778
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: It would have been tough to assume that they would

779
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: have made the postseason in normal circumstances, even to make

780
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: the expanded postseason with one hundred and sixty two. So

781
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: what is your perception of that?

782
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: And I'll say one more thing after.

783
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: You, Legos, When they made the moves that they did

784
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: that offseason, I was generally pretty satisfied with what they

785
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 3: came up with the way, but a lot of that

786
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: hinged on ooh at the time. Was the biggest acquisition

787
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: they made that offseason was actually Jonathan vr The year

788
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: that he had in twenty nineteen with the Orioles people forget,

789
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,760
Speaker 3: was pretty outstanding. It was an all star caliber season,

790
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 3: even if I don't think he was technically an All

791
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: Star like, his performance was kind of at that level

792
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: for a team that had back then and continues even now.

793
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: That's been the theme that their offense has been holding

794
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 3: this team back. He was supposed to be a huge

795
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: piece at the top of their order as it played

796
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: out in the shortened season, he was a disappointment. You know,

797
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: the numbers were not up to par with him, and

798
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: even if he were watching the games every day, he

799
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: was actually worse than kind of the numbers in the game.

800
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: He was a frustrating player who made unforced mistakes and

801
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: didn't really make the team a whole lot better. It's

802
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: an unknowable question to know how much better he would

803
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 3: have been under normal circumstances, because these circumstances were anything

804
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: but ordinary. The fact that he prepared for a lot

805
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: of spring training to be a center fielder and then

806
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: they dissed that experiment after like one game. During the

807
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: regular years, it's such a different world. I think it

808
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 3: is a safe assumption that they would not have finished

809
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: above five hundred, that their winning percentage would have been

810
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 3: lower to some extent than it was during the shortened year.

811
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: They it was a year where they were supposed to

812
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 3: be like trusting their young pitching. That there was a

813
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: lot of hype around their young pitching, and because of

814
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: this in this season, we just we saw some I

815
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: guess Pablo was the one who had this season that

816
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: people were hoping for. He was really consistent. He was

817
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: not affected by COVID. Everybody else was. They set some

818
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: sort of major league record for how many different starting

819
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 3: pitchers they used at the start of that season because

820
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: everybody was impacted by COVID and by other miscellaneous injuries.

821
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: So it would have been a totally different season. I

822
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: feel like their pitching would have been better over a

823
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: full length season, but they if you dig deep into it,

824
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: it was a really outlier year for a team that

825
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: they gave up a lot more runs than they were scoring.

826
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: And that's something that at at the fundamental level when

827
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: we talk about run differential, like that's how you that's

828
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 3: an easy way to determine how much how good a

829
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 3: team is is whether they actually score more runs than

830
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,919
Speaker 3: their opponents. And it's amazing that they made the playoffs

831
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 3: in that situation. If you played out over the course

832
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: of a whole year, I think you'd find that they

833
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: just would not have been as lucky as they were

834
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: in close games. How Brandon Kinseler got the job done,

835
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 3: but his effectiveness over the course of a whole year,

836
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 3: he's like one guy in particular that you don't think

837
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: would have held up the same way over the course

838
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: of a full length season. You can point to a

839
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: lot of corners of the roster that would have kind

840
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 3: of regressed to kind of what we were expecting. Yet

841
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 3: it was like in any way, use slice it. It

842
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 3: was a nice step forward from what we had seen

843
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: the previous two years.

844
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: How has no one mentioned that the Marlins were bars

845
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 2: at the trade that we got Starlin Marte and we

846
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: were able to flip Jonathan VR's disappointing season for a

847
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 2: young and upcoming Griffin Conine who led the minor leagues

848
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: in homers. I'm pretty sure in twenty twenty one. So

849
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: that's something else we have to keep it in there.

850
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: I mean, that was a nice twenty twenty season. We

851
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 2: finally got to see the Marlins in what they could

852
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: do when you buy your buyers in the deadline. I mean,

853
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: they did a little bit of selling. They got rid

854
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: of Caleb Smith, they got rid of Tomhia, who was

855
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: one of the many starters who was there. Pretty sure

856
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: we got and we didn't get.

857
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: We didn't get rid of Yams that season, if I'm correct.

858
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: No, it was after in the offseason, right, Yeah, And

859
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: then the minor leagues looked completely different from what we

860
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: saw in twenty nineteen.

861
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just looking at that twenty twenty season,

862
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: we can't talk about that season without talking about how

863
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: amazing Michael Hill was exactly in filling out eighteen guys

864
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: who will.

865
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: Go down in COVID. They beat the Nick Vincent, James Hoyt,

866
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: who was actually really good. Nick Vincent was okay. He

867
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 2: acquired a.

868
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: Lot of guys who guy like Richard Bayer stell the team.

869
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: Josh A.

870
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: Smith had pivotal outs, you know, to make in the

871
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season, like you mentioned, Nick Vincent, James hoy

872
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs, all these guys pitching the playoffs. Mi Garcia

873
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: was acquired earlier, obviously, but it was just really amazing

874
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: what Michael Hill was able to do in the twenty

875
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: nineteen season. In the twenty twenty season and in return,

876
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: going into the twenty one season, the top prospects looked

877
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: totally different. He had six so leading it off with

878
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: JJ Bledea two, Max Meyer three, Jess Chisholm, Kaesu Sanchez,

879
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: Edward Cabrera, Braxon, Garrett Lewin Diaz and Trevor Rodgers filling out.

880
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 2: And when we were able to see the debut of

881
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: six Stone in the season and in the postseason, which

882
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: is why we have to remind many six though, is

883
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 2: going to be really good in the major leagues hopefully.

884
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 2: I mean that is definitely the hope that The way

885
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: he pitched in Chicago was incredible. I'm pretty sure it

886
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: was a shutout if I'm correct, or they scored one run.

887
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: If we're being honest, I think he got a little

888
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: bit lucky.

889
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: He was good, He did give up a run and

890
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: luckily Matt Joyce bailed him out with a throw from

891
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: the right.

892
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 2: Why, that was a good player that season.

893
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: Kind of it was spectacular to see moving on, you know,

894
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: just like I said, the prospect list, how different they

895
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: go from, you know, one year to the next. Victor

896
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Victor Masa was a consensus top five. I think it

897
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: was a top one hundred at the.

898
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: Time as well.

899
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: But you know what poor what went poorly? Eli in

900
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:18,919
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty season were talking about the good there's

901
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: a lot of good.

902
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: What was bad about the twenty twenty season.

903
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 3: It was the lost year of development time for all

904
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: the prospects. Sure somebody liked Victor Victor who fell on

905
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: his face in twenty nineteen, and you wonder how potentially

906
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 3: his kirk could have gone differently if he got all

907
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 3: those reps in twenty twenty. That didn't exist for anybody

908
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 3: that was unfamiliar yet the entire twenty twenty season got

909
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 3: cans at the minor league level. It was just a

910
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 3: few spots available at the alternate training site in Jupiter

911
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 3: for a Marlin seam that was so impacted by COVID

912
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: that had to cycle through a lot of major league players.

913
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: They didn't have as many spots opened for prospects in

914
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: that player pool that they were hoping to have. There

915
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 3: were certain priority guys that got some help from that

916
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 3: JJ Blade was there and that playerpool coming out of

917
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: the draft. I believe Max Meyer kind of went straight

918
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 3: there and got a few months of work with fellow

919
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: major leaguers during that summer. So some players kind of too, I.

920
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 2: Believe, yes, yeah, exactly, just in case.

921
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that was that was one guy who had

922
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,439
Speaker 3: a minor injury during that summer, and that's the reason

923
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: why he didn't debut at the same time that Braxton

924
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: Garrett and Trevor Rodgers and all these other young guys

925
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 3: did because of that. So in general, that was a

926
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 3: rough setback for the pharm system coming off a really

927
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 3: great draft class both the previous year in twenty nineteen

928
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: and in twenty twenty, with all those pictures they brought

929
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 3: in like they by all accounts, really smashed both of

930
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: those drafts, and yet those players. You don't want to

931
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: complain too much because every single organization was affected by

932
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: the same way. But this was a really critical time

933
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 3: for the Marlins in particular that they weren't able to

934
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: take advantage of because of things that frankly, were totally

935
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: outside their control.

936
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: Something I will say with the twenty twenty season is

937
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 2: I think that started sparking a light in the Marlins

938
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: trying to get more competitive. They saw they made it

939
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. They believed they could do it in

940
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, so they tried to buy then they

941
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 2: didn't it. Now in twenty twenty two, obvious on the team.

942
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: Do you have a Jacob Stallings. They've made these very

943
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: small moves with Lewis Head they brought in. They probably

944
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: brought someone else and oh, Joey Wendell, so you look

945
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 2: at it. Twenty twenty sparked a big light in the

946
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: Marlins saying all right, it's time to start winning. We

947
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 2: have the pieces to do it on that current twenty

948
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: twenty roster. They tried to add. It didn't work. They

949
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: couldn't bring back Stirland Marte. But now they're doing it.

950
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: They're doing it again.

951
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: They brought the right pieces at the time.

952
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, twenty twenty the minor leagues that it got

953
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: affected like big time. I mean, Connor Scott lost a

954
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: season of development. I would have liked to see what

955
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 2: he could do in that twenty twenty season. Who else

956
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: were he Guzman who we didn't see his debut that

957
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 2: season as well, lost the big season of development of development,

958
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: will Bamfield, the SIUs Johnson, that twenty eighteen twenty nineteen

959
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: draft class on Eli mentioned as well, Then they kind

960
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: of lost a development year, which I think twenty twenty

961
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: was the crucial year for that minor league staff that

962
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: they had or the minor league prospects that they had

963
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 2: at the time.

964
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, like Eli mentioned so wonderfully in his solo pod

965
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: on fish Strips. How unluckily this organization has been part Obviously,

966
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: every team has been dealing with the same thing, but

967
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: the Martins in particular, starting a rebuild two years prior

968
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: to the COVID pandemic. You know, just when you're should

969
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: start reaching you know, the I won't say the climax,

970
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: but you should start trending upwards is right when COVID hit.

971
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: And a player that you know that we didn't mention

972
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: was a player who missed all of twenty nineteen already

973
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: Osarrus Johnson, and then he goes ahead and misses the

974
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: entire twenty twenty season. So it's tough not to like,

975
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's tough to think of a player who

976
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: got more on who is more unlucky then Jimmy Rowlins

977
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: cousin Osibus Johnson. He, like Alex Cover loves to say,

978
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: has some of the best batspeed in all of the

979
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Marlins system's.

980
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: He's in for a big year.

981
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 1: I would assume he was mentioned on a Fangrafts post

982
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 1: for a potential breakout as well. But yeah, I recommend

983
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: all of you guys listen to that pod.

984
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 2: It was great.

985
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it has not helped Miami quite a bit. And

986
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: you make a good point, Kevin, because did that twenty

987
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: twenty playoff season maybe give the front of his false

988
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: hope and say, oh my god, we're better than we

989
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: think we are, and they thought that, you know, a

990
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: couple of additions was going to make them a playoff team.

991
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, I hope not, because they were far from.

992
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: Not only that, they did win the series against Chicago,

993
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: good Chicago team, Anthony Rizzo Baias. I mean, they had Schwarber,

994
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 2: they weren't that good, that serious, they had you Darvish,

995
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: They weren't that good. But on paper that seem looked

996
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 2: like it. Woul could have beat the Marlins right right

997
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 2: away two games zero. Then the Marlins made it decently

998
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: competitive with the Braves in game one going up what

999
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: was it, five to one, and then they choked it

1000
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: and then Travis Darnaut just off on the Marlins at

1001
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: that game that series, So the Marlins made it decently competitive.

1002
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: And then during the actual season itself, the Ones were

1003
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: pretty good against the division itself. I mean that seven

1004
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 2: game series against the Phillies which pretty much got us

1005
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,959
Speaker 2: into the playoffs, put us in a great position, as

1006
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 2: they beat four games out of the three out of

1007
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: the seven to the Phillies or was it five five? Yeah,

1008
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 2: that put us in a great spot.

1009
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I do think they you know, I'm

1010
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: not a pessimist, but I do think they got very

1011
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: lucky getting meshed up with Chicago. Chicago was, oh yeah,

1012
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: that struggled mightily with velocity, with players like Rizzo, players

1013
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: like Baias. They struggled with velocity, and the fact that

1014
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: they were able to throw out Sandy and six Dough

1015
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: back to back really helped them out. And they were

1016
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: just very lucky they were able to score one or

1017
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: two runs against Kyle Hendricks and you Darvish because they

1018
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: were not going to score more. But I didn't know

1019
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: that Chicago didn't have a tough time scoring runs, especially

1020
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: against Sandy. Their only run off Sandy was an Ian

1021
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: half win aided home run. Well, we're going into year

1022
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 1: five here of Derek Jeter, the final year of his

1023
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: contract at CEO. I wonder what happen this year go south,

1024
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: But that's a conversation for a whole different day. Kevin Burrall,

1025
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: your favorite moment of the Derek Jeter era and your

1026
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: least favorite moment In a brief.

1027
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: Way, I think everyone's gonna have the same favorite moment.

1028
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not Eli, but I know you will. Isaac the

1029
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: manins making the Playoffs Man two thousand and three was

1030
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: the last time they made it. I mean, in what

1031
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: they made it on the anniversary of Jose Fernandez's death.

1032
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: I mean, how can you not It's it just was

1033
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: lined up perfectly that September twenty fifth when the Marlins

1034
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: made that incredible game against the Yankees, which was maybe

1035
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: one of the best starts seeing he's ever made in

1036
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: the most clutch positions possible, And obviously twenty twenty one

1037
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: was better. But I mean, just looking at this click

1038
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: for the YouTube viewers, it was a great time and

1039
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: the least favorite probably not being able to extend Starling Marte.

1040
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: I would have loved them to extend it. I would

1041
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: have liked to see what they could have done. I'll

1042
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 2: forever remember those that three month spam or streams, always

1043
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: bringing the Starline news. But yeah, that's been my least

1044
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 2: favorite move. I mean, we spoke about one of the relievers,

1045
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Wick Grin, that was another bad move that they did.

1046
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 2: We should have brought that up as well. So you know,

1047
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 2: what's your favorite, guys.

1048
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: Eli, Well, in terms of individual moves, that's kind of

1049
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 3: what I was thinking of coming into this. Yeah, my

1050
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 3: favorite move in particular they've made. It was actually a

1051
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: super recent one. It was extending Sandy for five years

1052
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 3: at the six year club option at the end of it.

1053
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: That is something that in running fist Strips for now

1054
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 3: a number of years now that deep down what really

1055
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: kind of has scorned this fan base and turned them

1056
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 3: away is a lot of it's been the losing but

1057
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 3: almost an equally big part of that is just like

1058
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: the lack of continuity on the players, the fact that

1059
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 3: every single player of significance and franchise history gets traded eventually,

1060
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 3: and Sandy potentially is like in this position where he

1061
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 3: could be the exception to that, where he could now

1062
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 3: with this new contract in place, could bring him through

1063
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 3: the prime of his career. He has an opportunity to

1064
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: set all sorts of franchise records for pitching and with

1065
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 3: the organization around them, hopefully the team success as well.

1066
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 3: The deal that they struck with him is the way

1067
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 3: that the team presented it made it sound like it

1068
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 3: was very friendly to the player. In reality, it was

1069
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: good for both sides, but it was mostly team friendly

1070
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: to get as much link as I got out of

1071
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 3: him while keeping kind of the salary in a reasonable level.

1072
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: So five years, fifty six million with that six year

1073
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: club option at the end of it is potential to

1074
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 3: be just a great value for the team. It's really

1075
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 3: encouraging to see like an individual player be so enthusiastic

1076
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: about staying with the Marlins, embracing Miami during this time.

1077
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 3: It's been unusual for somebody to take that much pride

1078
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: in being in Marlin. To get somebody like him in

1079
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 3: that situation, just great.

1080
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: Thank you to the Morning organization to believe in me,

1081
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 4: believe in my talent. I mean, I'm here and now

1082
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: I'm so happy. I appreciate everybody, you know, I mean

1083
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: the fan I love this city, you know. And I'm

1084
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 4: here for a long time now, you know. I love

1085
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 4: Miami too much, and I mean, I'm too excited right now.

1086
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 4: I can't explain. And I mean I appreciate all the

1087
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 4: love and thank you to my family, thank you to

1088
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: the guy behind me, you know. And I love everybody.

1089
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

1090
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: I think Isaac Mavie is Kevin thatdden briefly mentioned Nick Whitgreen.

1091
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: I do think.

1092
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of casual fans will actually

1093
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 3: remember that at all. He was just an ordinary reliever

1094
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 3: that was drafted and developed by the Marlins and to

1095
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 3: get a pretty good partial season in his final year

1096
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: with the team, I think that was in twenty eighteen,

1097
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 3: and it was infuriating to me, somebody that covers like

1098
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: these moves on the margins that he got squeezed off

1099
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,479
Speaker 3: the roster entering spring training in twenty nineteen and they

1100
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: were able to work out a trade. But I use

1101
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 3: that term very loosely because the one player that got

1102
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: in returned was Jordan Millbrath, who didn't amount to anything. Frankly,

1103
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: no offense to Jordan Millbrath, but that was like one

1104
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 3: of the most perplexing moves I've ever seen for a

1105
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 3: team that should have been in the situation where they

1106
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: hold on to guys that not only were good on

1107
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: the field, but Nick Woodgreen was like a pretty nice

1108
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: guy off field as well. It also took a lot

1109
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 3: of pride in being a Marlin. That was like one

1110
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 3: particular move that it was clear in the moment that

1111
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 3: they got kind of robbed of it.

1112
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: And even though you know, he.

1113
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: Hasn't proved to be much of a player of significance,

1114
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 3: he's an ordinary middle reliever for the Cleveland Guardians, still

1115
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: like that was one particular moment where I was confused

1116
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 3: as to what they were trying to accomplish. And there

1117
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 3: have been a few like that through the years, of

1118
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 3: other subtle moves. I mean, fortunately, on the big stuff

1119
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 3: they haven't been ever since, like the Yelli's trade. You know,

1120
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 3: for the most part, a lot of their big stuff

1121
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 3: have been kind of in the gray area between being

1122
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: a win and being loss. But there have been a

1123
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 3: few times the losses really stick in my memory.

1124
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: And something else we have to mention was another bad move,

1125
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: the duvaultre. I mean, I knew it. We could have

1126
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: kept this guy for another year with a Visay Eel

1127
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 2: Garcia Jesus Sanchez, we would have had a pretty good

1128
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: outfield now, a pretty good offensive outfield when you look

1129
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: at it. We've got Alex Jackson. We got Alex Jackson

1130
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: who just at the moment isn't panning out. Uh Unfortunately.

1131
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: I think he'll be the backup catcher because they'll give

1132
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: him every chance possible, as we've seen with Isan Lewis Brinston,

1133
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: Jordan Yamamodo and all these players. So yeah, I agree,

1134
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: that's another least favorite moment and really quick to go

1135
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: back on that. You know, squeeze of Nick Whiker.

1136
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: I remember he was a top twenty consensus prospect in

1137
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: the Marlins system for pretty good. He was really good

1138
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: forward to him closing games because he was a modified

1139
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: closer the miners. And you look at that twenty nineteen

1140
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: opening a bullpen, you know you're gonna have romoes. Second

1141
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: rider Conley Guerrero Chen.

1142
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: Was in the bulman as well.

1143
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: But yet guys like Austin Bryce, Tyler Kinley and Nick

1144
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: Anderson who had yet not been nasty yet, you know,

1145
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: so there it was.

1146
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: A peculiar move.

1147
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: Obviously, they did the right thing by keeping it probably

1148
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: the best bullpen they had throughout the rebuild off on

1149
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: paper when you look at it, but there are some

1150
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 1: names that you felt they could have maybe squeezed Nick

1151
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: wickeran in four specifically Tyler Kinley, I would think, and

1152
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: maybe Wayne chanf They were just willing to eat that

1153
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: money because I think that ship at saled already we.

1154
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: Got rid of him. How through a DFA was it

1155
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: or they just cut ties with him completely?

1156
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they waited in another entire year until after

1157
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 3: the twenty nineteen seasons finally pulled off that band.

1158
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: Aid yeah and heard I think he had one more

1159
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: year left, but they decided to just eat that twenty

1160
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: twenty season. I believe it was, which is funny when

1161
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: you look at it, because they wanted to have had

1162
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: to pay that twenty something million dollars in the twenty

1163
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: twenty season had they held them because of the pandemic,

1164
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 1: So that one really came back to bite Jeter in

1165
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: the butt when it comes to me, my favorite moment is,

1166
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 1: like you said, Kevin, that September twenty fifth game. I

1167
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: just remember like it was yesterday. You know, I'm sitting

1168
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: at Chipoli looking at standing and taking out after striking out,

1169
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: then Frasier and there with my girl end of the time,

1170
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: and Jesus when they when you have the best hitter

1171
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: in the league, day Jeleb Mayhew coming up with the

1172
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: bags loaded, I'm like, shit, dude, this is not gonna end.

1173
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know that Rojas stuff on the bag.

1174
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: I was tripping out, but it all went.

1175
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: I know. I know. That's why.

1176
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: So the least favorite move just there's a lot and

1177
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:17,720
Speaker 1: not even.

1178
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: Only that, but that game cases actually are saved our

1179
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 2: asses if we're honest. That diving catch that he made

1180
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: was probably one of the best first base defensive plays

1181
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,760
Speaker 2: I've I'll ever see at the moment. You know, especially

1182
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 2: with a big how big of a player, Aggie is

1183
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 2: not that quick an agile to make that play. It's

1184
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: pretty impressive. And yeah, the Monte play saved ours, saved us.

1185
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 2: Those were game saving plays, one.

1186
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: Of the better or here at fifty five minutes, we're

1187
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: gonna call it up after one quol question you know

1188
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: I have for you? Like something that I asked Glen Deefner.

1189
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,280
Speaker 1: I felt like he had his hands tied when answering

1190
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: this question. It goes back to, you know, at twenty seventeen,

1191
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 1: should they have sacrificed some of their quote unquote baseball

1192
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 1: moves in order to secure some sort of positive public

1193
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 1: you know, public relations with the fans, because the casual

1194
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: fans who they're trying to attract the most, they don't

1195
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: know that Samuel Contra is a prospect. They don't know

1196
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: who that Lewis Brinston is to consensus top twenty guy.

1197
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 1: So like, if you were them, do they shoot themselves

1198
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: in the foot maybe or put themselves behind the apel

1199
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: by making these moves that we know are good base

1200
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: all moves but the casual fans out there saying, oh,

1201
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. And right before der Jeter ever

1202
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: reported to spring training, he's getting booed at the arena,

1203
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: He's getting booed everywhere he goes before he even reports

1204
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: the spring training as the first time as the owner.

1205
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: So we'll never really know whether fans would have come

1206
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: back purely based on the change of ownership. So I

1207
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: don't know what your thoughts are on that. I think

1208
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: about this every single night. Should they have maybe just

1209
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: kept obviously stand is a different story, but kept someone

1210
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: to put up some good team in twenty eighteen, so

1211
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: that way, you know, these casual fans that they're so

1212
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: intent on bringing in don't not go, you know, because

1213
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: they see, Okay, this isn't the same thing as always.

1214
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: More so than you know, focusing on who exactly was

1215
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 3: on the roster, I mean, I think it's fair to

1216
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 3: say that they totally failed from a pr standpoint that

1217
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: first offseason, not just the moves that they made, but

1218
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: you could go back to the move that they felt

1219
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 3: they had to make and that I think was the

1220
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 3: right one to make with stanton the fact that they

1221
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: sold what they thought was the highest point on him

1222
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 3: before with ten years remaining on his contract to get

1223
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: something of value and return from him knowing the direction

1224
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 3: that they that could head into, like that was the

1225
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 3: right move. But we were subjected to like two months

1226
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 3: of rumors about Jeter not wanting him, about them about

1227
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: like them threatening stancing to wave his no trade clause.

1228
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 3: That got really messy, unnecessarily, like more messy than I

1229
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 3: felt felt it had to be, and that really brought

1230
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 3: people the wrong way when he was literally the reigning MVP.

1231
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: You could there's just a lot of instances. The town

1232
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: hall that he held was very awkward one as well

1233
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 3: at what was then Marlin's Park, that he was just

1234
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 3: really he had this undeserved confidence in bravado about knowing

1235
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: even after like making those moves that clearly set the

1236
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: team backwards that from a pr standpoint, there were there

1237
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: were other ancillary things about how he how he fired

1238
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: people that were in the organization, good people in the organization,

1239
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: proud alumni of the Marlins, like Jack mckeeon and Andre

1240
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 3: Dawson and Jeff Cohnines yeah, and Tony Perez. Those were

1241
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 3: the four all squeeze out of their advisory roles. There's

1242
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: no sugarcoating, mad like the way that those were handled,

1243
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: the the defiant way that this ownership group went more

1244
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 3: so less even less than about remaking the roster, a

1245
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: roster that I think people could agree was just not

1246
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: going to cut it at the time, just the the

1247
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: stubbornness that he wanted to totally remake, the image of

1248
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 3: the team, that he wanted to dismiss the history of

1249
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 3: the team that, for all it's downs and embarrassments, had

1250
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: won two World Series titles that he was totally fine

1251
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 3: with like severing a lot of ties to that and

1252
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: feeling like the fans would follow along that that was

1253
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: really a poor game plan that has backfired, and there

1254
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: are some people that were scared that were like shoot

1255
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 3: away because of the way that was handled that have

1256
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: not come back, and well now will eventually come back

1257
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 3: if the team goes on like a significant sustainable winning stretch.

1258
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 3: That's still a little while away. There's still there's still

1259
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 3: a big question about whether they reached that level entirely.

1260
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: So it is is totally fair to be frustrated by

1261
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 3: exactly how that was handled and combined with some of

1262
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: the port like legitimately bad luck that has affected the

1263
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 3: franchise along the way. That's how you get in this

1264
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: situation where they have a lot of pressure on them

1265
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 3: to do a lot of that. They need to make

1266
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: up for a lot of lost grounds in twenty twenty two,

1267
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: and it's now they're going to this year that as

1268
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 3: we discussed, the first half of the pods are really

1269
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 3: unusual circumstances. It's a lot to ask for them to

1270
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: finally right this ship in year five, given the situation,

1271
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 3: the disadvantages that they have coming into this year.

1272
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't agree more with the pr like with

1273
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: all those instances, failed to mention the firings that just

1274
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: made no sense whatsoever. And on top of that, you

1275
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: do that whole catastrophic rebuild the way they did it,

1276
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: and the only person they kept this real Muto, And

1277
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 1: it just combined that with his you know like personality

1278
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: and the way he handled a lot of things that

1279
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: reminded me of that Sound Hall meeting. You wanted out, correct,

1280
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: it was just a disaster. Stan had said it that

1281
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: he wanted out. Then you have guys like Christian Yelich

1282
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: saying that his relationship with the team has been irretrievably broken,

1283
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: and you have all of that, and you trade these

1284
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: guys and you go into spring training and you lose

1285
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: twelve to two on your opening day spring training. I

1286
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: think it was or something crazy. He gave up the Cardinals,

1287
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: gave the Cardinals ten runs. I just think that all

1288
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: the time, and how much better it could have been

1289
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: handled with a proper pr person, because.

1290
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: Right if let's say they hadn't traded these guys, Let's

1291
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: say they made one trade, this Stanton one, that's it.

1292
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:11,439
Speaker 2: He saw a pretty good outfield. I mean, you still

1293
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: have Azuna, used to have Yellow. He saw a great catcher.

1294
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: Question would have been would it have sealth it?

1295
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: I think if they had spent some money and now

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Speaker 2: now that you got rid of Saton's contract, brought in

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Speaker 2: maybe one or two starters, gotten a good bullpen, a

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01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: good reliever, that SCEE could have been pretty competitive. I mean,

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01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: did they still have the Gordon or was that did

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01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 2: they make that trade?

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01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: They were the same offseason, Yeah, so they would.

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: Still had the Gordon. Let's say they made none of

1303
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: those trades and they don't only traded Stan and we

1304
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: would have brought Strolling Casher, who could have put another

1305
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 2: good bench depth in there. So, I mean at the

1306
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: time he was pretty good. Let's be honest. When he

1307
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 2: first came, they needed to bring some kind of major

1308
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: league talent, and he was okay for for what we got.

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01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 2: But that scene could have been pretty good. And they

1310
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 2: were really close some years and twenty sixteen, when the

1311
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: Jose unfortunately died, they were really close in it. They're

1312
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: in the flight of it pretty much until the end

1313
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: when when they just couldn't anymore. And then in twenty

1314
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: seventeen when Stanton went off, they were kind of in it.

1315
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, the consensus is that they started this rebuild

1316
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 2: for a little bit too early, though it's no one

1317
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: year too late.

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01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: Okay, once Jose Fernandez passed away, that was when they

1319
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 1: probably should have.

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01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: But you can't blame.

1321
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: Lauria for not pulling the trigger on tearing it down yet,

1322
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: because you know, you have this great core and you

1323
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: don't want to just right after this to tear it

1324
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: down a roster.

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01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:28,439
Speaker 2: He tried it again.

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01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: He tried to patch it up with Strayley with you know,

1327
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,440
Speaker 1: they tried to patch it up. It didn't work out, clearly.

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01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, even with the best offense this team

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01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:35,479
Speaker 1: has ever had something.

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Speaker 2: Something I could ask you is, w what do you

1331
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 2: have given Jeter a chance with this team. Let's say

1332
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: he didn't make the trades. I mean the Stanton obviously,

1333
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: I think that's the one guy that wanted out. Let's

1334
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: say Jeter had this team for a full season. Let's

1335
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: say he was in twenty seventeen and he made different moves. Now,

1336
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 2: and let's say they're a little bit more successful. Would

1337
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: you have not toured up? If you kind of get

1338
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 2: what I'm saying here, I don't. I'm sorry. I'm pretty

1339
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: much saying if Jeter took over and he didn't make

1340
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: these trades, yeah, they would have been two pitches away

1341
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 2: and they wouldn't have won anything.

1342
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 3: Ohky are still a very firm ceiling on this team.

1343
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 3: I don't think they would have been. They were not

1344
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,080
Speaker 3: going to get, you know, much better than they were

1345
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 3: in those previous two years, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, unless

1346
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: they dramatically increased their payroll. And I mean that was

1347
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 3: one reason why Jeter brought into the team. I mean,

1348
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 3: you can face it, him and Sherman like they they

1349
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 3: came in with the intents to the lower payroll. They

1350
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 3: felt that Laurier was spending more than the team's revenue

1351
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 3: like dessert like. Actually, they felt it just was not

1352
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 3: a good business model under Laurier. They had keep in mind,

1353
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 3: until this past year they had by far the worst

1354
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 3: local TV deal in all of baseball, They didn't have

1355
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: naming rights on the ballpark, and of course attendance was

1356
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 3: really big struggle.

1357
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 2: It's a lot of positive from the Jeters, Like.

1358
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: So, we're in the middle of a time where I

1359
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: think I've been very critical of MLB owners and the

1360
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: fact that they are in some ways kind of understating

1361
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,600
Speaker 3: how profitable they are. But the Marlins in particular, they

1362
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 3: were at a really vulnerable point just a few years ago. Understandably,

1363
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: if seeing the team at that position where there just

1364
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: was not an efficient way to get them into championship contention,

1365
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 3: they felt the more appropriate move was to do some

1366
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 3: sort of reset. And the way that they did that reset,

1367
01:04:25,880 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 3: as we mentioned, there were a lot of negatives that

1368
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 3: went along with that as well, but ultimately there was

1369
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 3: kind of understandable to know that they wanted a fresh

1370
01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 3: start and they felt that it was the appropriate time too.

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Speaker 3: It was, as you mentioned, even better. It was a

1372
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 3: little bit overdue for them to kind of flip the

1373
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: switch on that and try to do it a different way.

1374
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 2: That would be a pretty good episode for Unfiltered, one

1375
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 2: of those what if episodes. I know Eli did one

1376
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 2: for his official show, but we could do one as well.

1377
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: You know, what if Gter had kept all these guys

1378
01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 2: something like that?

1379
01:04:57,080 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: Maybe, you know, because my initial question too we was

1380
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: should they have sacrifice?

1381
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 2: We got to end it off right moves in order

1382
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: to save the public perception.

1383
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: But hey, you can really but blame it on Laurie.

1384
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: I think I just like, don't blame the guy, but

1385
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 2: really could because they there's some things you can't blame

1386
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: on the guy, but then there are obviously and they

1387
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 2: they have sold it up twenty fifteen.

1388
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: Maybe, like you said, and and sowd just it. But

1389
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: we're over an hour. We're gonna call it an episode.

1390
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Speaker 1: This is episode thirteen. Can't believe we've been doing this

1391
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: for half a year now, it seems it is exactly

1392
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 1: So that's where we'll end it. Eli, thank you so

1393
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: much for joining us men and lighting us with all

1394
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: this latest CBA negotiations talks. Hopefully we'll have a new

1395
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: collective bargaining agreement soon. It's not looking dope, but hopefully

1396
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: it'll be good. And Kevin has always thank you so

1397
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: much for being here with us, and we'll see you

1398
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks