WEBVTT - Ep. 54: Genuine Outlaws - Rough Men, Part 2 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.559 They run one vehicle up behind him and running another 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:10.479 one up and parked in front of the car and 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.480 open fire. Dad bailed out and he said, he he said, 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:17.160 I just ran, he said, and I ran hard. He said. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.480 There was two ba bar fences. I don't remember jumping 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:26.280 any one of them. On this episode of the Bargaras Podcast, 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.600 we're going to continue building a biographical sketch of Louis 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:34.920 Dell and Charlie Edwards, two Southern characters known for being 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.960 turkey hunting outlaws, but also beloved men in their community. 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.680 By most we'll be diving into the Moonshine incident and 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:48.560 giving some backing for why people said they were rough men. 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.440 You're gonna hear about some fighting and some gun plays, 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:55.960 so if you're sensitive to such talk, be advised. But 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.720 if you want a picture into the American South, these 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:03.600 guys will deliver. These men were connected to the land 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:07.319 and it shaped their identity. Having known them my whole life, 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.240 I'm unashamed by how much I like these guys, but 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:14.560 conflicted by how much I disagree with some of the 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:18.920 stuff they did. Life is a paradox, and linear equations 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:23.280 built for judgment don't always add up. This episode is 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:28.560 a character sketch of two modern colorful characters. Their lives 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.039 were just straight up entertaining and intriguing. I doubt you're 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.440 gonna want to miss this one. And hey, stick around 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.480 to the very end and you'll hear me and Game 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.880 Warden Jimmy Martin relive the run in that I had 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.480 with him when I was sixteen years old. According to 0:01:48.920 --> 0:01:53.280 game laws, they were poaching. According to our forefathers, they 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.640 were doing what they were supposed to. They grew up 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:59.600 with that mentality right Eron's Valley, and it still exists 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:13.400 to point we're more civilized now. Yeah. Yeah. My name 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:16.720 is Clay Nukelem and this is the Bear Grease Podcast, 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:21.280 where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search for insight 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:25.080 and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the story of 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:29.799 Americans who lived their lives close to the land. Presented 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.880 by f HF Gear American Maid, purpose built hunting and 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:38.360 fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:53.520 places we explore. In Part one of our Genuine Outlaw series, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.760 we introduced you to two brothers by the name of 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.240 Louis Dell and Charlie Edwards from Big Fork Arkansas in 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:02.440 the western wah Hitals. If you haven't listened to it, 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.960 you've got to for all this to make sense. Charlie 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.160 passed away in at the age of seventy three, and 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.760 Louis del in one at the age of seventy six. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:17.040 I expressed my inner conflict in telling their story because 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:21.359 there is a risk of glamorizing breaking the laws and outlawing, 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:26.000 but being true to our mission. I love telling the 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.560 stories of people who live their lives close to the land, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:34.359 especially in the South, and without a doubt, my whole life, 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.680 I've been intrigued by these men. I think it's an 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.520 apropos time to clarify the intent of telling this story. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.160 It is not to decide if breaking game laws is 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.320 right or wrong. We all know the answer to that. 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:53.320 What it is is an intriguing look into human nature. 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.640 Often we gravitate towards stories that are far outside of 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:02.080 our personal experience. I've never been an intentional law breaker 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:07.000 or fighter, but these boys were. They're real deal characters 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:10.440 that shaped my view of rural Arkansas. You see, I 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.400 grew up in the same community as Louis Dell and Charlie, 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:17.400 and I was heavily influenced by my father, Gary Knucom, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.760 a small town banker who would come home from work 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.039 and tell me stories about people he had met and 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.560 done business with. At the time, he nor I would 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.800 know how influential his storytelling would be in my life. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.719 It taught me to value people of all types, and 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.560 he told me stories about Louis Dell and Charlie. But 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.000 the knowledge of these stories didn't push me to want 0:04:39.040 --> 0:04:42.400 to break game laws. It was clear he valued them 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.400 for other reasons, and he still does. A window into 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.280 their life gave me a broader picture of the reality 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.599 of the world, a world that he knew I would 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:55.960 have to live in. The intent of exploring this story 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.520 is to help us evaluate our own biases, to search 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:03.159 for oocracies, and to see the bigger story that most 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.279 people have. Humans can't be described in totality by a 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.799 single descriptor or label. Life is sometimes gray. We don't 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:15.880 function well in those gray areas. Lastly, I hope this 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.279 story fortifies a culture of putting the wildlife resource first 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:24.279 by obeying science back to game laws. Being a poacher 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.160 isn't complex. You either is one or you ain't one. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:33.400 But this story about Louis Dell and Charlie. Their life 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.040 is complex, and I'm not trying to decide whether I'm 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:40.880 okay with people being outlaws. I'm trying to make sense 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.920 of why people love them so much, and in the 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:50.839 same breath, understand how they were such rough characters. A 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:54.080 little backstory from episode one, we learned that the Edwards 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.359 brothers came from a family of moonshiners, and their uncle 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.520 and his coon dog were killed by police in the 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.760 ninth twenty six traffic stop gone Bad. These men were 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:06.520 known for killing a lot of turkeys and evading the 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.480 law with almost a supernatural ease, and they worked hard 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:15.480 at everything they did, including outlaw on we learned they 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:20.000 were generous and forthright, genuine even people used to the 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:25.120 scripture of pure But one thing is for sure, you 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:30.440 didn't want to cross them. Here's Stony Edwards, the son 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.880 of Charlie. He'll get us going into a string of 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:38.440 stories highlighting their rougher side. Get ready for a few rumbles. 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.320 They were as nice as can be, either one of them, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:46.840 but they didn't have a whole lot of push to 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:51.760 The fuse was about that long and as long as 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.640 everything was going good and you were treating them as 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:58.200 well as they would treat using. You're fine, but then 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.919 you get on the bad side. And we were rough fellers. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:05.120 I mean, they didn't believe in I will call the 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.400 law on you. They were gonna take care of it 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:12.560 theirselfs Do you remember several years ago there what was 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:19.080 the guy's name, How big old boy? Are you? Hard mercer? Well, 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:23.640 you know Pete Hillard and Jackie Ryan. They got this 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.160 great idea to call on Gloodell because they knew that 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.720 that would stir him up. And I don't remember who 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:33.840 they put, Oh they did. They got on the phone. Well, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:37.080 we lived over here at dill Back Place at the time, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.560 and I was about twenty, I guess, and here come 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.840 Uncloodell sliding into the yard. I mean he said, y'all 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:50.400 get in. We got take care of Now. You think 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.480 I'm joking, But when we left the house, every one 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.640 of us had a gunning ring. This wasn't gonna be 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.800 no barroom brawl crap. This was well, we got down 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.960 there and it was Jackie and peace and uh so Louis, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.720 I mean Louis Dell was ready to it was. He 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.240 was ready for a shootout whatever it was gonna take 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.080 him and Dad both were really hard people are That's 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:18.880 how they came off. When you grow up like they did, though, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.320 it was you gotta have that shell out there. That 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.480 was their protection. And then when they left here and 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.840 went to the city, they were dumb hillbillies according to 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.559 the city people, but they had that shell. Well. Everything 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.000 with them, too, was a fight. They didn't believe in 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:39.120 all the talking stuff. You just got walked. I mean, 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:43.560 I know, I've heard stories of a lot of our fights. Yeah, 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:48.319 if only that phone call could have been recorded. Whatever 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.480 they said pushed Louis Dell to the edge. These brothers 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.600 had a stark and temperamental sense of justice. They didn't 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:00.600 do well with a lot of talking. Here's knee Old Taylor, 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.160 a good friend of the brothers. You know, Old Lois 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:07.720 del There's a lot of people that morning, Mike lud 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.560 mad h. I'm gonna tell you what, And you could 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.240 make him mad pretty easy. Charlie it was hard to 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.560 make mad, but Charlie is the one he wanted to watch. 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:21.680 He got mad because he was tougher and mean. Really, 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:26.160 everyone I spoke with said the same thing about Charlie. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:32.600 He was tough here's Stony And for a little info, 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.040 The Candle Light is a bar on the edge of Oklahoma. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.920 I was probably six and he had been over at 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.520 the Candlelight. They were shooting pool, which my dad loved 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:47.400 shoot pulling, and he had won a few games. And 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:50.600 he always wore a great, big old black leather cowboy hat. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:55.200 I mean I remember him wearing one till the brim 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.880 on it was just nobs and he had sewed it 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:02.120 back together himself to three times. He was over there 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.160 that night and Uh, a man stood up and said, 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:07.680 I bet I can knock cut some hat off and 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:11.200 he won't do a thing about it. Well, he made 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.679 about two steps across the floor before Dad hit him 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:17.160 with a Q stick and he went down. He was done. 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.840 A couple of weeks later, they cornered Dad to go, 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:24.760 you know, bear to go, and uh went shooting at him. Well, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.280 Dad bailed out of the car and off out across 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.760 the retaliating for what had happened. Well, they they run 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.840 one vehicle up behind him and running another one up 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.400 and parked in front of the car and opened fire. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:43.120 And yeah, he Dad bailed out and he said he 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.160 he said, I just ran He said and I ran 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:48.199 hard and said. A couple of hours later he was 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:50.000 coming back. I want to get back to the car, 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:54.120 you know, And uh he said, there was two baby 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:56.720 our fences. I don't remember jumping in one of them. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.440 Dad got into uh more of that stuff, and uh, 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.680 Uncle Adelle did. Uncle Ade was a little he was 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.000 just as rough, but he was a little more settled 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.559 about it. But as far as their heart went, they 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.679 do anything for for a friend or for somebody that 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.120 needed them. But they didn't want everybody to know about 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:21.040 it because that would affect that shell that they wouldn't 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:28.200 be tough guys. Anymore. Interesting analysis from Stony about them 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.280 developing a hardened shell. It seems the catalysts of this 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:36.160 hardness worked both ways. It made them deeply loyal and 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.439 devoted to friends, and it made them dangerous if you 0:11:39.559 --> 0:11:44.880 cross them. Y'all remember Andy Brown here he is recalling 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:48.600 a story of a bar fight in Texas. If you remember, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.360 these brothers worked out of state a fair bit in 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.600 the city. Oh Loudell talk hells a story about what 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.800 they were down there in DALYs of work. He said, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:11:59.640 got that other one night, so it went to a 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.320 bar and he said, we walked in. He said, I 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.800 ain't been that bar ten minutes he said, he said, oh, 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.400 broke loose back there in the dangpool room. He said. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:16.000 I looked around, and I said, where Charlie. He said, 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.920 he said he went back there and he said here 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.800 old Charlie that he said, Man, he's find the big 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:25.240 old boys. And he said, he said that old boy 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.440 and he whooped, he said, and he said about that time, 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.320 he said that old boy went to screaming and take 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:34.520 it on. And he said he finally looked. He said, 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:37.360 old Charlie was just taking bitens clugs out of me. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:46.520 Tried to get away from him. Uh, it doesn't and 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:49.199 he whooped. He said, he went to their blugs out 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:54.160 of him. Wow, I can imagine a few people got 0:12:54.200 --> 0:13:00.559 surprised by these outwardly unassuming hillbillies. You remember were Stoney 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.680 mentioning Jackie Ryan Prank calling Louis Dell, Well, this is 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:08.680 Jackie telling a story about the brothers. I was doing 0:13:08.720 --> 0:13:11.280 a job in Dallas and they went down to a 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:16.599 club and uh, Charlie playing pool and and uh he 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.400 got in fat. I mean they getting he gets uh 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:22.000 you know it over money. I'm sure they're probably having 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.960 a bed. And Charlie he was good a bought both 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:27.960 of them is good pool shooters. And uh, but but 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.959 he gets in the fat in there, and there was 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:34.120 other people around and and uh, Louie got out there 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:36.599 truck and got his pistol and and I think the 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.720 fat he had moved outside or got outside, and there 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.280 was people around him while he was at the pistol 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:45.120 out and and Ann was keeping everybody off of them 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.480 while they was fat, and you know, and make sure 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:51.880 nobody get it bobbed, you know. And uh, I think 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:55.400 Charlie had used cuesdick on the game, you know. And 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:58.760 and there there was another part of it where he uh, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:01.600 he chumped down on he's there. I know he did, 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:05.320 but he's uh. And Charlie had fathered face and they 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.880 he been a chunk guys there, that's what he did. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:13.040 These guys weren't afraid to pull a gun or to 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:18.160 bite you. They played by their own rules. Like Andy said, 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.160 that's just the way it happened. Here's Andy with another one. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:25.200 They were Dallas or Fort Worth putting in drop ceilings 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.840 for Walmart store, and uh, anyway, everything was kind of 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:31.520 open and anyway they had some old boys come in 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.520 there and kind of put in on them, and uh, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:39.360 it was Charlie in Louddale in Vernon, Ryan Vernon was 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.880 working with him. This guy was yeen with with Loue Dell. 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:45.520 He was up on the scissor lift and Vernon said, 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.960 the whole time he's y yang and telling Loudell what 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.320 he's gonna do to him. He said, Charlie is slipping 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.720 up on that guy. He said he's got a claw Himer. 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.840 He said, he's got it in his hand. In Vernon. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:01.520 Of course, Vernon says he's watching all this and watching 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.000 Charlie and he said, Charlie walks up behind that guy, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.040 he said, with a claw in and he draws back 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.840 and Vernon said, I went, oh, whoa, whoa like it, 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.200 you know, And that guy saw him, but he said 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.480 Charlie was fixing and knocked him in the head with 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.200 that claw. Hammer said, but anyway, the guy kept telling 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.680 on Liddell, I'm gonna go get get my bunch and 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.400 I'll be back. And Loudelle said, that's exactly what you 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:25.160 guys need to do. And he said when that guy 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.520 walked off, Loudelle got down off his sister left, went 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.960 to his truck and I don't know, Clay, if you've 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:33.680 ever heard about the trust and the stories, he had 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:37.320 a rifle, that's all he ever deer hunted with. And anyway, 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:40.240 he went and got the five, put it on. The 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.520 sister left and got back up in the deal and 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.560 just kept working. And he kept working. But Loudell was 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:48.200 a great shot. I mean, when you run, when you 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.520 run deer with dogs, you've gotta be And then boys, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.160 they wouldn't knew what happened if they had come back. 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.600 They never came back. No, they never come back. Thank god. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:16:00.680 You know Verdon is scared to death or gonna come up. Yeah. Man, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.720 it sounds like you wouldn't want to cross these boys. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.160 And I'll tell you another thing that would not be 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.560 advisable would be messing with their dogs. This is a 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:16.600 longtime friend of the Edwards brothers, Jerry Dean Pickett. Well, 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:19.800 it was a dear season and we had been running 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:23.400 the dogs. There's a gap in there dogs. When I 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:26.320 was gap. We didn't kill the deer, but anyway, the 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.600 dog was checking it out. He had him with tracking 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.920 colors on and we come around are catching the dogs 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:34.000 and he said, one of my dog right up here, 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.440 on the right up here, and we drove up this 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.400 feller's house. He got out and he said, with my 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.000 dogs around here, right here close. He said, yeah, your 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:46.400 colors were on the woodpile. He said, I killed your 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.040 dog up there, and yeah, LOUI ain't never threatened him, 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:53.160 He never said nothing, but he just kept walking to him. 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:57.480 And when he got hands of him, he spatted him 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.080 when bouncing across him. Rocks and as a feller from 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.720 Texas hunting with this other fellow, I don't forgot his name, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:09.520 and uh, Louis went to working on him. I'm telling you, 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.960 working on him. You're you're here, you're watching. I'm standing 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:17.200 right there and that other feller standing of workers. I 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:19.000 knew what was fending to happen when he said he 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:22.439 kill that dog, and I figured the other feller getting it, 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.440 but he didn't. Finally he hollered the whole hold Louis, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.639 he didn't kill you, dough. So he stopped and he 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.760 told me, said asked him a question, He said, why 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.400 did you tell me you killed my dog? He never 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.440 would say, tell him, so he got his collar. He 0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:39.680 got off fellow and he told him he said, I'm 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.399 going back to my house. My dog don't come home. 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.840 I'm coming back over and finished when I started, and 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.520 that's how Louis said, went on to the house. Sure enough, 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.720 the dog did come home. So so the guy was 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.280 just messing with Louis. Well, I guess, but Loui Dea 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.000 was't the type that you can mess with. He wasn't 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:02.359 gonna argue with you. It was just him and Charlie both. 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:05.040 You know, they didn't mind falling down the dirt, will 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.000 you if that's what you want to do. Now that 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.480 that's the part of them, I'm still trying to put 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.720 together the pieces because they were such like you get 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:17.119 this one feeling that they were just the nicest guys 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.800 in the world, which they were. I want to hear 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:24.399 how you connect the nicest guy in the world to 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:27.800 a guy that'll just fight you in a second? How 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.000 did that? How does that? Have you ever been in 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.880 there where people go to argon and you know, carrying on? Well, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.159 I just want to time Charlie want nobody to tangle with. 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.879 So Charlie was the was a real tough guy, and 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.920 Louis was bad. But Charlie got more scrapped and Louis 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.960 did if you gen the beer, join or anywhere and 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.479 you got to won't argue with him. It was just 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.520 on Well, they shaved me three years old. He was 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.840 still laying block. Charlie was really he was still land 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.280 block at seventy three years that he was drown How 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.359 how big were they? You know? I knew when I 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:12.000 was a kid. Louis was about my side. Carl It 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.639 was a little bit taller than Louis and he was. 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:20.280 They were both solid, yea stocky guys. Hands would big. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.440 Both of them had big hand when you shook hands, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:28.000 whether you could feel it. I find it a healthy 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.200 practice to peer into a world foreign too your own. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.120 I've never been a fighter, nor would I condone violence 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.639 as a productive means of solving disputes. But I do 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.679 admire their certainty to continue on in our study of 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.640 these brothers. I'm gonna read from a newspaper clipping from 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:53.360 the nineteen nine edition of the Mina Star. The headline 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:56.160 of this newspaper says big fort Man arrested and charged 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:59.080 with a legal whiskey still operation. A big fort Man 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.960 has been released a ten thousand dollar property bond after 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:04.600 being charged with the operation of the legal whisky whiskey 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:10.359 still near the Polk Pike County line. Louis D. Edwards, forty, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.520 will be arraigned Monday in Polk County Circuit courts, according 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:16.800 to Polk County Sheriff Fred Niblock. Niblock said it is 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.560 the first still confiscated in Polk County in approximately eleven years. 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:25.040 Officers also confiscated three hundred and five pounds of what 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.880 is believed to be deer meat, fifty to seventy five 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.399 pounds of what is believed to be turkey meat, along 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:32.920 with fifty two turkey beards at the house. According to the 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:37.320 the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission, Enforcement officers officers found 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:41.120 an operational whiskey still, a hundred and sixty five gallons 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:45.280 of fermating mash, and partially filled wooden barrel containing approximately 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:49.000 twenty gallons of whiskey at edwards residence in Big Fork, 0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:53.000 according to Nibblock. Also found were several gallon and half 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:58.080 gallon jars of whiskey. The officers sees the loaded shotgun 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.440 and several cartons of rifle and shot ammunition at the site, 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.879 along with the nineteen four Chevrolet four wheel drive pickup 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:08.080 containing a bottle of what the officers believed to be 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:13.320 illegal whiskey. Also confiscated where sugar yeast, corn starter mash, 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.000 and utensils believed to have been used in the illegal 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.840 production of whiskey. Hey had a really nice set up. 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:21.640 I'll be dar Do you remember that as a kid. 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.240 I wasn't a kid. I was in the United States 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:31.160 Army when that What year was that? N Here's Neil 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:37.399 Taylor with what happened in the Moonshine raid. There was 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.480 a guy come over to buy some fish. You know, 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.080 Louie used to raise catfish. Louie had a little steel 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.399 learned in the fish room, and they were just making 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.720 it for himself and mainly a few of his friends 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.040 out there. You know. Hey gave us old boys un well, 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.919 they got drunk, got caught, told the more he got it, 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:01.959 you know. So they sent a sheriff Montgomery count here 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.679 over in pair of camouflage and talking about turkey hunting, 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:10.440 you know, and and one off knew any place had some. Well, 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.440 Louis gave him a court a game shot. That's good 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.440 that can I buy something? And not that I ain't 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:16.919 gonna sell it to you, but he said, I'll give 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.399 you a chuard of it. And Old Fred Neblake he 0:22:19.560 --> 0:22:21.920 was sheriff and it was re election and he thought 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:26.520 that that would get him reelected. Oh, it was kind 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:30.000 of a political move. Well to some extent it was 0:22:30.119 --> 0:22:33.679 he and they were just after and you know the 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.080 game Mordens eight was all in it in Ah. Oh. 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.520 Look he was there at the house one morning and 0:22:39.520 --> 0:22:44.320 he's camo overalls and barefoot didn't and all of a sudden, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.680 long cars started pulling up in the front yard. Old 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:53.080 went out there and Old Fred he stepped out. He said, 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:57.720 what't going on? Fred? And I was I was kind 0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.879 of afraid going out there, you know what he might do. 0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.919 And he's, well, look you know what we heard. You 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.720 had some uh well that he was making whiskey out here, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:13.119 and Laris said, so he said, are you the smile 0:23:13.200 --> 0:23:22.280 said the best whiskey you ever tasted. And so they 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:26.520 coming learned. Of course the game wardens they had there's 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:28.760 been they had been after him all his life, and 0:23:28.840 --> 0:23:31.040 they coming there and they took Mete out of the 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.720 freezers and they got turkey beards he kept through the years. 0:23:35.840 --> 0:23:38.639 And I don't know they had him for about twenty 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:42.800 thousand dollars worth of game violations, and he was up. 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.119 They heading to jail. I took him to jail, of course, 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.320 and as upper and coming in, and I said, Lari said, 0:23:48.359 --> 0:23:50.520 we've got you for this, this, this now. If you'll 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.119 plead guilty to the here said we'll drop it down 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.760 to in thousand and he said, boys, he said, I'm 0:23:56.800 --> 0:24:01.320 not going to plead guilty to it. Fine. It wound up. 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.879 They didn't. I like it, coughed him about Tian Graham 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:10.199 on Whishkey making for the record. The idea that the 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:13.320 raid was a political move by the sheriff isn't really 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.600 known for sure, but it was the speculation of many. 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:20.560 The Moonshine raid also included a game and fish raid. However, 0:24:21.119 --> 0:24:25.440 all the wildlife violations were dropped. It's unclear to me 0:24:25.520 --> 0:24:28.320 if it was because of faulty procedure in the raid 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.159 making the evidence unusable in court, or if they just 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.600 couldn't prove that all the wildlife was taken illegally. According 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:38.960 to the family, the game and fish had to bring 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.720