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Speaker 1: got a big one with Oregon. Colin right, Colin wrong?

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Speaker 1: One hour from now. Jmax. If you have been down

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Speaker 1: on Kansas City all year and it appears you were right,

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Speaker 3: You may have to scrap them where Colin was wrong? Segment,

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Speaker 3: What are you gonna mention the blazing five big guy.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to that. We'll get to that later.

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Speaker 1: So let's start with this. That was the kind of

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Speaker 1: game that we have been watching for the last five years.

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Speaker 1: Denver and Kansas City and you had this sinking feeling

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Speaker 1: Kansas City would figured it out. Andy Reid was off

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Speaker 1: figure it out. But it was actually Denver that I

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Speaker 1: felt would win the game. And Denver manipulated Kansas City

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Speaker 1: in that final drive. Kansas City's now lost to the Jags,

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Speaker 1: the Eagles, the Bills, Denver, the Chargers, all playoff teams

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Speaker 1: today one to five against playoff teams and they're wins, Raiders, Commanders, Giants,

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Speaker 1: and whatever the Lions are these days. Listen, some of

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Speaker 1: this is you pay a quarterback big money, you have

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Speaker 1: a limited roster, I mean Sam Darnold, team friendly deal,

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Speaker 1: Seattle's young. Look at that roster, hikes the track team.

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Speaker 1: Seven of the top eight cap hits in the NFL

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Speaker 1: Chiefs have done a really good job to kind of

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, he's on his last legs. Chris Jones is

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Speaker 1: like the sixty second ranked defensive lineman. Everybody at the

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Speaker 1: top of that salary chart there doesn't feel the same

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Speaker 1: Mahomes doesn't feel the same. So Denver's offensive line clearly better,

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Speaker 1: Denver's run game better, Denver's pass rush not close better.

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Speaker 1: Denvers secondary pretty good. Denver's wide receiver group, I think

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Speaker 1: Now and bo nicksconnect Mems Courtland Sutton, the young kid

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Speaker 1: out of Illinois like they got they got dudes. I

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Speaker 1: they they with bow Knicks on that rookie deal and

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Speaker 1: we all saw it coming. I didn't think it was

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Speaker 1: a controversial take when I said the dynasty's over for

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. I said that in August, and I said,

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Speaker 1: Broncos are gonna win the division. You watched it last night.

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Speaker 1: I watched it. Denver has better units, better groups. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. They were in eleven to one score

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Speaker 1: games last year. What does that mean? The Margins are

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Speaker 1: getting thinn They just won all of them this year.

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Speaker 1: They're losing all of them. But I mean Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: they have more good players than Kansas City. I think

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Speaker 1: they know they have a better pass rush, they have

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Speaker 1: I mean Andy Reid off a bye, scored nineteen points

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Speaker 4: There's really no sense in going on there.

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Speaker 5: If you don't believe you're gonna win and eventually get

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the Chicago Bears are seven and three, and

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Speaker 1: here's what I saw yesterday. I heard this, Well, it's

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Speaker 1: real quick with you. They were better than the Vikings

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Speaker 1: That feels sustainable to me. Well, it's ugly. Well, Denver's

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Speaker 1: winning ugly, Philly's winning ugly. The Jags always win ugly.

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Speaker 1: Chicago's got the second best rushing attack in the league,

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Speaker 1: Those are the numbers Vegas cares about. That feels legitimate

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. It feels very much like Denver to me,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't look good. So I mean Chicago and Caleb.

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Speaker 1: They run the ball as well as almost anybody in

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Speaker 1: of demarcation. Can you play leading? Can you play trailing?

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Speaker 1: So when you have a great run game. You can

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Speaker 1: The question is great run teams often this was always

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Speaker 1: it sustainable? This league MUSHes everybody together. The team that

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Speaker 1: always wins close games is Philadelphia. Did you think that

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Speaker 1: only wins ugly, So, I mean, I Ben Johnson. The

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Speaker 1: other thing they do they've eliminated the negative plays. We

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Speaker 1: talked about that all off season. Remember when Belichick talked

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Speaker 1: no negative plays with Tom? He didn't say Tom's arm

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Speaker 1: do them. And I know this sounds very remedial and simple.

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Speaker 1: Here's what the Bears do really well. They go forward.

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Speaker 1: They moved the ball forward a lot, and that's what

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Speaker 1: Belichick said about Brady. His favorite thing is, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. What's not sustainable. Here's Caleb about another w.

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Speaker 6: matter who, it doesn't We got the guys, we got

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Speaker 6: the team will make the play. And so, like I said,

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Speaker 6: we gotta we gotta get better throughout the game. But

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Speaker 1: I watched that game yesterday and my takeaway is Chicago

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Speaker 1: deserved to win. Chicago is better on third down, Chicago

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Speaker 1: dominated time of possession. Chicago's quarterback is more talented. Like

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Speaker 1: Minnesota doesn't know what they did, what they are. Had

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Speaker 1: they lost that game, you'd have felt like, man, they

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Speaker 1: gave one away yesterday. Chicago was the better team with

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Speaker 1: the better identity, the better quarterback, and right now a

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Speaker 1: where he and Sean McVay are similar. Everybody thinks McVeigh

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Speaker 1: and Ben Johnson h they're clever, Yeah, but it fundamentally

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Speaker 1: they're tough guys. They like to run the ball and

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Speaker 1: dominate time of possession and play clean football. Rams don't

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Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes. Caleb doesn't throw a lot of picks.

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Speaker 1: That run game. First thing, Ben Johnson did guard center guard,

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Speaker 1: not sexy guard center guard. Let's develop a run game.

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Speaker 1: They did, they have and it's sustainable. Okay, Seahawks Rams

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Speaker 1: game was nuts, and mcvayzon it was just absolutely nuts.

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Speaker 1: The fact that Seattle was coming down to win the

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Speaker 1: three of them really ugly, is remarkable. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that is Seattle. And again Rams are more Mayweather.

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Speaker 3: From one middleign quarterback in the NFC West to an

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Speaker 3: elite one Brock party Colin, He's back, baby. The turf

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Speaker 1: The other thing is, I don't know what the numbers are.

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Speaker 3: Remember they would go to Warriors games and State court side.

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Speaker 11: He was vintage Brock. Yeah, and that's the that's a

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Speaker 3: Two other reasons to like them, Colin. They had their

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Speaker 1: And that's the Chargers, Colin.

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Speaker 1: R Nowyland Hurts is five and nine without Lane Johnson

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Speaker 1: a right tackle, not a left or right. So it

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Speaker 1: said that you lose both elite tackles.

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Speaker 4: Got no shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here here's harball and the loss.

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Speaker 12: We got beat every which way you could possibly be beat.

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Speaker 12: We just won't do anything well offensively, warren't who were

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Speaker 12: running the ball? Well, we weren't protecting uh, we weren't

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Speaker 12: getting open and defensively you know saying we uh, you know,

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Speaker 12: weren't uh, we're stopping the run, we're loosing coverage. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 12: I mean go through every phase and we uh yeah,

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Speaker 12: we got beat every which way you could get beat.

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Speaker 12: We were out physicals as well, any reasons, every every

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Speaker 12: I mean every phase. I mean we can go through it.

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Speaker 12: Now we're gonna figure out what we're what we're gonna

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Speaker 12: do about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think their teams sometimes can try to fool themselves.

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Speaker 1: I think they knew very early in this game they

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Speaker 1: were in big trouble and it just went sideways fast.

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Speaker 3: And they're getting Hampton back apparently after the bye week

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Speaker 3: final story, Colin, should dore standers, Everybody take a deep breath? Okay,

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Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel leads with a concussion. Should your standers comes in?

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Speaker 3: The stat line wasn't great for sixteen forty seven yards

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Speaker 3: a pretty brutal interception, although the offensive line did him

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Speaker 3: no favors.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pile on the kid. Okay, here's

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Speaker 1: the problem.

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Speaker 2: He takes to the.

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Speaker 3: Podium after the game, Colin, and take a listen and

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Speaker 3: let me know what you think of this.

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Speaker 13: There's a rough day overall, But the thing that I

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Speaker 13: was excited about is just being able to get out there.

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Speaker 4: You know, I feel.

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Speaker 13: Fulfilled overall when it comes to being out there, practicing,

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Speaker 13: going in between the line scene actually what it's like,

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Speaker 13: and I know I'm made for it. You know, I

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Speaker 13: don't think there's a dot in my mind. The final

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Speaker 13: drive was gonna go down there.

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Speaker 10: Score.

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Speaker 13: Things happened, we didn't, but I was just excited because

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Speaker 13: I knew. I knew what I was gonna be able

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Speaker 13: to do out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine. I mean, I listen, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: people that defend him and go, why isn't he taking

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Speaker 1: first team reps? Well, Josh Dobbs went to the Vikings

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Speaker 1: without a practice and threw for three hundred and fifty yards.

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield came to the Rams and had one practice

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Speaker 1: I think one, and had a game winning drive. This idea,

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Speaker 1: he's been with a team for six months, like he's

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Speaker 1: ready to play. You don't need first team reps. I

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Speaker 1: got all sorts of guys in the NFL. Joe Flacco

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Speaker 1: shows up in Cincinnati. An hour later, He's throwing touchdown passes.

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Speaker 1: He's fine. He had a couple of spin moves that

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Speaker 1: I liked. He had a good throw deep there's not

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Speaker 1: much to be made from it. I listen. I will

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Speaker 1: say this, Dylan Gabriel had stabilized the offense the last

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, and this coaching staff prefers Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 1: based on who they're playing, and I think Shador looked

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Speaker 1: looser than Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel is what he is,

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Speaker 1: knows what he is. I thought Shadeur, you know, gets

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Speaker 1: a little negative running backwards, maybe thinks he's a little

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Speaker 1: more athletic than he is. He was fine, But I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't buy into the I don't buy into

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Speaker 1: the excuses. Well, what about the first team reps Josh

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Speaker 1: Dobbs one a game with no practices joining Minnesota. This

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Speaker 1: kid's at one hundred practices with the team. He knows

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Speaker 1: the offense.

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Speaker 3: If you look at some different angles on the interception,

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Speaker 3: the Ravens had a guy blitzed right up the middle untouched,

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Speaker 3: and Shadeorge just kind.

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Speaker 1: Of he had no chance on the pick. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to bury him. I'll say this though. They

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Speaker 1: faced the Raiders this week in Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Now, obviously they Raiders have Crosby, who's very good. But

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Speaker 3: the Raiders are having a short week, right they played tonight.

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Speaker 3: There's a world where it's starts. He has some success.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to rule out that Shador has a

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Speaker 3: good first start.

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Speaker 1: If he faced the Raiders this week. They're not good.

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Speaker 2: We know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't have He had a really

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Speaker 1: nice spin move and then the next play through a

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Speaker 1: cornerball to the enzone. That was beautiful. So he had

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Speaker 1: back to back plays. I was like, oh, that's not

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Speaker 1: He also had a completion. Now Jerry Judy did most

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Speaker 1: of the work, but again it was it was fine.

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Speaker 1: He looked a little overwhelmed. The knock on him, one

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Speaker 1: of the knocks out of college was he tends to

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Speaker 1: run backwards. He did that once where he ran backwards.

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Speaker 1: So it was fine. It's not the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: He had a bad pick. Darnold had four. It happens.

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Speaker 1: But I don't buy this. Well, where are all the

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Speaker 1: reps with the first team guys? Backups are backups for

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Speaker 1: a reason. I mean, I just you don't get a

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Speaker 1: lot of reps for the first team. In life, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna get opportunities because somebody's sick at work. You're not

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Speaker 1: going to get a lot of reps with the first

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Speaker 1: team employees. That's the way the world works. Jay mclanews, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the news, and thanks for stuf the herd line.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting. J mack talked about that George Kittle and

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Speaker 1: Perty hang out together, and you can watch yesterday you

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Speaker 1: can tell they just they got something works. Rock Perty

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Speaker 1: has a one forty one passer rating in his career

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Speaker 1: when targeting George Kittle, so it's very obvious that's the

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Speaker 1: one thing Perty moves better than Mac Jones, and he

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Speaker 1: and Kittle there's a symmetry and it just jumps through

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Speaker 1: the TV. So, okay, all Eagle games should come with

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Speaker 1: a red bull, so it keeps all of us awake.

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Speaker 1: They're kind of really good and really boring. And now

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Speaker 1: it'll get worse because Lane Johnson is out for several weeks.

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Speaker 1: It's not season ending, but he'll be out a month

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Speaker 1: plus and Jalen Hurts his passer rating gets into the

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Speaker 1: seventies without Lane Johnson. So I thought the Spurs Tim

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Speaker 1: Duncan dynasty was boring. Philadelphia wins all feel like they're

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Speaker 1: doing it by submission, so they're second most three and

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Speaker 1: outs top three and punts, and yet they just kind

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Speaker 1: of squeeze you. They got a little bit like a python.

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Speaker 1: They just kind of squeeze you to death. And last year,

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Speaker 1: at least you were getting those Saquon Barkley big explosive runs.

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Speaker 1: You don't get those their bottom five and passing offense. Man,

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Speaker 1: were they targeting aj Brown last night? So it's not

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Speaker 1: much fun. It's got an assembly line feel to it.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Jalen Hurts is four and oh this year

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Speaker 1: in his four worst games. So they're unlike Buffalo, which

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Speaker 1: feels very beholden to how Josh Allen plays. Philadelphia can

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Speaker 1: win ugly. That's kind of the only way. They win

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Speaker 1: by submission. And there's the old saying Bill Belichick Usta

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Speaker 1: was say his genius as a defensive coach was, I

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Speaker 1: want to make the other team play left handed. I'm

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Speaker 1: going to take away their strength. What is Philadelphia's strength?

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Speaker 10: And A J.

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Speaker 1: Brown got the targets, but Davante has been more reliable.

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley's great, but not this year. Jalen doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: a lot of picks. He also doesn't throw for a

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Speaker 1: lot of yards. I mean their defensive interior line could

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Speaker 1: be their identity. They're great, so Saquon Barkley's regress. There's

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Speaker 1: wide receiver drama, the quarterbacks limited, they squeeze into submission.

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Speaker 1: They're they're not even tush pushing much. Here's Nick Sirianni

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Speaker 1: on the win.

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Speaker 10: As I watched football today, I feel like there I

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Speaker 10: saw a lot of like teams waiting to lose. Our

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Speaker 10: team's waiting to win because they know how to win.

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Speaker 10: There's something to be said for that, you know, of

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Speaker 10: of of knowing how to win and knowing how to

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Speaker 10: figure out ways to win. Do we want things to

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Speaker 10: be better? Yeah, of course that's here in a constant

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Speaker 10: quest of getting better.

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of winning, the Rams did again. Stafford plays

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Speaker 1: another clean game. Sean McVay. Next it's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern non a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Well, I said Friday, I thought it was the game

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Speaker 1: of the year. Two great coaches, really good rosters, all

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Speaker 1: sorts of pass, rush and youth. The Rams in one

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Speaker 1: of the wildest games. I want to give you a

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Speaker 1: glimpse of Sean McVay in the post game. It was

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Speaker 1: not an artistic masterpiece. But it was wildly entertaining. Here's

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Speaker 1: Sean after how about that?

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Speaker 14: Never take for granted fighting away, just being able to

586
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Speaker 14: be so resilient offensively, what a blessing offensively for us

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Speaker 14: to be able to learn from this and continue to grow.

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Speaker 14: But man, this group fighting different ways to be able

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Speaker 14: to win. Can't say enough about it? Can't Kitchens get one?

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Speaker 1: He joins us Live Sean McVay, I gotta tell you

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Speaker 1: one of the things that jumped through the TV screen

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Speaker 1: was the energy Mike and I said this last week.

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Speaker 1: I said this. John Snyder wanted to hire you. He

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Speaker 1: was looking for Sean McVay, and he kind of found

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Speaker 1: you on defense. I do think your intensity, Actually, it's

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Speaker 1: like a baton to your team. Your team plays with

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Speaker 1: your energy. I think Seattle plays with Mike's energy. What

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Speaker 1: jumped through the TV to me is the game had mistakes,

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Speaker 1: but you're on the sideline of that game. It didn't

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Speaker 1: feel like a lot of games I've seen this year.

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Speaker 1: It felt juiced, it felt energized in it. To you, Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. I love this group. They energized me.

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Speaker 15: Colin, and I tell you just the way that these

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Speaker 15: guys stay connected.

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Speaker 4: It was a unique game.

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Speaker 15: There wasn't a lot of possessions and plays that the

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Speaker 15: offense had, but our defense kept making him snap it

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Speaker 15: one more time, forcing turnovers, tightening up in the red area,

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Speaker 15: being good in crunch time, Sitsu, guys, stepping up, Ethan Evans.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: So we're finding different ways to win.

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Speaker 15: We've had examples where we put it all together, and

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Speaker 15: then we've had examples where we have to be able

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Speaker 15: to play off on one another and ultimately come away

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Speaker 15: with more points than the other team.

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Speaker 4: And that's a great football team. But I was fired

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Speaker 4: up for our group.

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Speaker 15: And I just love the resolve of this team and

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Speaker 15: the way that they stay connected most importantly, and I

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Speaker 15: was fired up.

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Speaker 4: My mom's gonna be yelling at me for the curse words.

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Speaker 4: I gotta be careful having a two year old around.

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Speaker 4: He repeats everything I say, so I got to clean

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Speaker 4: up the language.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those two year olds are like their parents. They

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Speaker 1: said everything you say, you're gonna hear it back later

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Speaker 1: the node when you you guys have had success with

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Speaker 1: Darnold and Sam sometimes can play a little fast, a

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Speaker 1: little frenetic, and Coach Schule has done that on your staff.

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Speaker 1: I thought a couple of times. My interpretation was Sam

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Speaker 1: saw stuff late. He was just a beat late. Is

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Speaker 1: that scheme coverage pass rush? Why the success again, Sam?

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Speaker 1: Because Sam had played mostly clean this year, but here

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Speaker 1: was late on stuff. What do you caught it that for?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, well, I think Sam has done a great job

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Speaker 15: and I totally agree how well he's played. I think

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Speaker 15: it's the epitome of Russian coverage playing together.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I always think.

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Speaker 15: Stats are for losers because we had zero sacks, but

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Speaker 15: those four interceptions were such a great combination of he

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Speaker 15: gets sped up with Russian coverage, you feel that pocket collapse,

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Speaker 15: he has to deliver the ball earlier than he wants.

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Speaker 15: I mean, you look at Punafourd coming free that forces

644
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Speaker 15: Darius Williams pick. We had a bunch of examples on

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Speaker 15: all four where it was a combination of he's sped up,

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Speaker 15: or he's having to accelerate his process of reading with

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Speaker 15: his feet, and then guys are in windows that maybe

648
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Speaker 15: they shouldn't be because he's not able to see it

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Speaker 15: and play on the time in rhythm that he wants.

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Speaker 15: But it was a great job by our group. As

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Speaker 15: a whole bringing it to life. And I think you

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Speaker 15: see on all four of those interceptions, the consistent theme

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Speaker 15: is there's a push in the pocket, there's somebody flashing

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Speaker 15: across his face, and there's guys connected and in their

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Speaker 15: spots the back end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were in the second and third quarters,

657
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Speaker 1: you guys barely had the ball. When you would talk

658
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Speaker 1: to Stafford, was your sense, listen, let's just play clean.

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Speaker 1: Let's not give many short fields here. They're athletic enough.

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Speaker 1: Or were you getting frustrated because I mean there was

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Speaker 1: a but an hour and a half period where you

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Speaker 1: didn't have the ball much. Is that that cycle, that

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Speaker 1: that period? What do you what are you doing as

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Speaker 1: a coach. Are you like you're making defensive plays, I'm

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Speaker 1: comfortable with it, Or are you on the headset with

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Speaker 1: Matt and saying let's try this, this, this. Are you

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Speaker 1: staying on the game plan?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm with the defense during those things and then

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Speaker 15: we have dialogue. It was it was frustrating just when

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Speaker 15: you look at it from an offense advantage point, because.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have the first four drives of the

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Speaker 4: game where you go right down.

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Speaker 15: You end up you know, missing on a fourth and one,

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Speaker 15: then we end up scoring, you score again, and then

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Speaker 15: our fourth drive represents.

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Speaker 4: A three and out where we didn't do what we

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Speaker 4: were supposed to do.

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Speaker 15: Then the then the next time we touched, that's with

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Speaker 15: eight minutes left in the second quarter. Then you come

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Speaker 15: back midway through the third quarter and you have a

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Speaker 15: two play sequence where we turn it over. So you've

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Speaker 15: had five plays and what's probably real time an hour

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Speaker 15: and a half.

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Speaker 4: Like you mentioned, it is frustrating and it.

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Speaker 15: Can get a little misleading when you go back and

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Speaker 15: you watch it. You know, the margin fair slim against

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Speaker 15: a great team like that. But our guy stayed in

688
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Speaker 15: the fight, and I thought Matthew did a phenomenal job

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Speaker 15: of being able to play the game the way it

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Speaker 15: needed to be played.

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Speaker 4: We didn't.

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Speaker 15: We weren't able to sustain drives, and just you know,

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Speaker 15: the possession was how it was. He didn't have as

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Speaker 15: many opportunities, but he took care of the football, got

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Speaker 15: the ball where it was supposed to go.

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Speaker 4: They didn't take negatives.

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Speaker 15: We did some things pre snaff that's uncharacteristic, but we'll

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Speaker 15: look forward to being able to clean this up.

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Speaker 4: And like I said in that locker room.

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Speaker 15: It's a blessing for us to be able to learn

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Speaker 15: from it against an excellent outfit like yesterday was.

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Speaker 1: Last seven games, twenty two touchdowns, no picks for Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Could I that's crazy? Could I argue? Could I argue

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Speaker 1: facing your defense in practice, with its mobility and flexibility

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Speaker 1: and dexterity, that that actually benefits Matt because he's not

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Speaker 1: phasing a defense on the field that's as good as practice.

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Speaker 1: Does that help in your opinion?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: I think I think it helps him, you know when

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Speaker 15: we do do the few plays a week. But I

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Speaker 15: think he's just playing really well. I think the guys

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Speaker 15: around him are playing well. I think he's really understanding

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Speaker 15: how to be able to play like this is where

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Speaker 15: you see the seventeen years of experience and understanding. You know,

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Speaker 15: where are those spots that I can be more aggressive?

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Speaker 15: Where can I be smart with the football? I think

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Speaker 15: guys have played well around him, and you know the

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Speaker 15: best part is is he's so grateful to be able

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Speaker 15: to get the win, and I thought he did really

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Speaker 15: what he could.

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Speaker 4: Relative to how the game unfolded.

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Speaker 15: There was a couple bad plays that I had on

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Speaker 15: some g on some second down and tense situations that

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Speaker 15: I didn't help us. But he's just doing a great

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Speaker 15: job of understanding the totality of how the game's supposed

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Speaker 15: to be played, you know, through the quarterback, but from

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Speaker 15: a coach's vantage point. And it's still is aggressive, but

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Speaker 15: it's not reckless.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you before we go. You're very progressive.

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Speaker 1: You very much follow the analyst. But there are moments

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Speaker 1: in games where I do I always call it ma analytics,

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Speaker 1: where I just I just want to see men make plays.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going by the book. I trust my team.

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Speaker 1: How I want you viewed as one of the smarter

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Speaker 1: guys in this sport with analytics? Are there ever times

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Speaker 1: that you literally get on the headside or you talk

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Speaker 1: to Matt and you're like, yeah, I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: do this. I just feel this. How do you weigh

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Speaker 1: analytics one hundred percent?

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Speaker 15: Well, here's the thing that I would say, I have

741
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Speaker 15: tremendous respect for taking all these things in for the input,

742
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Speaker 15: but in a lot of instances they got all the

743
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Speaker 15: answers and no accountability to the outcomes, you know, And

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Speaker 15: so I do think there's a feel for the flow

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Speaker 15: of the game.

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Speaker 4: There's twenty two moving parts that are unpredictable.

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Speaker 15: And it's not just these decisions aren't made in a box,

748
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Speaker 15: but you're betting on people, You're betting on different scenarios, situations.

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Speaker 4: What are the matchups based on what.

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Speaker 15: You're projecting stematically, you know, and so all those things

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Speaker 15: way into it. But I thought our fourth down conversions

752
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Speaker 15: offensively were key and critical that led to scoring drives.

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Speaker 15: Whether it's our first touchdown from two yards out from Kiren,

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Speaker 15: whether it ended up being a fourth and one run

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Speaker 15: where he goes for thirty four and then we end

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Speaker 15: up hitting Devonte two plays later.

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Speaker 4: So guys have done a good job. But it's a

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Speaker 4: part of it.

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Speaker 15: It's not the only part of it, uh, Because I

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Speaker 15: just think this game has so many moving parts, with

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Speaker 15: twenty two variables every single snap.

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Speaker 1: Who's your leader on defense? It's young, who's your leader?

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Speaker 4: Well, we've got great leaders across the board.

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Speaker 15: I think what's cool is we've got captains on all

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Speaker 15: three levels, where Kobe Turner, Nate Landman, and then Quinton Lake,

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Speaker 15: you know.

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Speaker 4: They've done a great job.

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Speaker 15: I think in you know, innately, some of these guys

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Speaker 15: that are thrust into a leadership role with the communication.

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Speaker 15: Landman is such a great communicator. Quinton Lake's been outstanding.

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Speaker 15: But those three captains, but I could name some other

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Speaker 15: guys that stepped up in a big way. I think

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Speaker 15: the cool thing is we got a bunch of guys

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Speaker 15: that have leadership capacity. Those were the guys that were

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Speaker 15: voted all with captains, but there's a lot of guys.

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Speaker 4: You know, you don't have to be a captain to

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Speaker 4: be a leader.

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Speaker 15: And I think you know, our team's got a lot

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Speaker 15: of guys with those natural traits and character.

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Speaker 1: All right, eight and two, you're humming. You are humman.

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Speaker 1: I would say, get some good rest, but that's not you.

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Speaker 1: It's the football season. Four hours of four hours a

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Speaker 1: day max. Probably it's great seeing.

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Speaker 4: You, Hey, goodness see you two.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, all right. Sean McVay on a wild, crazy

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Speaker 1: Not a lot of games look like that. Justin had

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Speaker 1: a ton of juice and a ton of energy and

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Speaker 1: great young players everywhere. Two teams that have drafted extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: well Sean McVay, Colin Wright, Colin Wrong top of next hour.

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Speaker 1: The it's just such a wild game. You know, we

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Speaker 1: Jamck and I were talking about this. I thought the

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Speaker 1: Niners yesterday played really well offensively. Brock brings in a

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Speaker 1: dimension they don't have with Mac. But I think what's

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Speaker 1: happening in the NFL right now is if you have

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Speaker 1: a star quarterback like Stafford's a pretty big cap hit.

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Speaker 1: How do the Rams have such a great roster when

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Speaker 1: Stafford's a big cap hit They've drafted Well, it all

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Speaker 1: comes back to the draft. You watch c Man, they

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Speaker 1: have not missed on a lot of draft picks of Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Go look at that defensive line, those early draft picks.

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Speaker 1: They have hit on a lot of those. And we

802
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: can talk about free agency and stars and quarterbacks. The

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Speaker 1: way to win in this league when you have a star,

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Speaker 1: veteran quarterback. The Rams are an example. You got to

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Speaker 1: hit on Pooka Nakou in the fifth round. You've got

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Speaker 1: to go look at the Rams secondary. I mean they

807
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: got a safety in the third round. They have a

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Speaker 1: safety that plays that's undrafted. You just have to hit

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Speaker 1: in April on picks. Otherwise all it takes is a

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Speaker 1: couple of miss draft picks. You're paying a quarterback. You

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Speaker 1: look up and you just you just don't look fast,

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Speaker 1: you don't look twitchy. So Colin Wright Colin Wrang and

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Speaker 1: next hour we'll get to the Buffalo Bills. Josh Allen's incredible,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's you're watching that game yesterday, and I

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00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: know it's historic, but my take is with Josh Allen,

816
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: he almost normalizes three touchdowns, running three passing. Oh no,

817
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: not quite, but he almost normalizes it. That's how gift

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Speaker 1: of he is.

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Speaker 3: After that loss to Miami, Collin, it feels like they're saying, Josh,

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Speaker 3: take over, don't let us lose. You run the show,

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Speaker 3: do whatever you have to do.

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Speaker 1: Hour two, we're in Chicago's the Hurt