1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Oh man, what a trip. Okay, So the same math 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: that almost definitely proves other intelligent life had existed, does 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: exist or will exist, is also kind of the same 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: reason that we know will probably never meet those intelligent 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: non human life forms. This is all thanks to a 6 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: guy who loves to ruin parties. His name Enrico Fermi. 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: Thanks Ferremi. How do you explain all the U A 8 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: P s for me? Fare me? However you say it? 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: What about all the visitors we got going on right now? 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: Say it's so paradoxical? Man? I would love I would actually, man, 11 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: I would love to get insolent from that philosopher on 12 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: the current thing, like, hey, there's a there's a There 13 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: are multiple militaries across the world that are saying there's 14 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: something we can't explain out there. What do you think, man? 15 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: And perhaps even more importantly, folks, what do you think? 16 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: Let's check it out from us those two psychic powers 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You 18 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: can turn back now or learn the stuff they don't 19 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: want you to know. Hello, welcome back to the show. 20 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol, and I 21 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: am Ben Today hopefully you are still you. Thanks for 22 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: dropping by. That makes this stuff. They don't want you 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: to know. And boy, we've been doing uh, we've been 24 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: doing a lot of doozies. This is the first time 25 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: in a while that all three of us have been 26 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: in the studio together. I have returned everyone. Yes, this 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: is the reality journeys, I tell you, gentlemen. Being on 28 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,639 Speaker 1: a naval base, a huge naval base that was once 29 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: a couple of separated institutions that are now all one 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: big thing. It's fascinating going through all the security to 31 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: retrieve the launch codes. Yeah, not supposed to talk about 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: that here. No, Well, the badgers out of the bag. 33 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: What's what's the happens? Beat the badger back into the bag. So, guys, 34 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: what happened while I was there is I got to 35 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: watch about five hundred young I guess they're petty officers. 36 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: They are. They all graduated from the Nuclear Power School 37 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: in different varying degrees. Some of them are officers, some 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: of them will be moving on to go work on 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: a sub whole another set of lingo right for positions 40 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: in the names, right, So these are not like shallow 41 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: bad people. Their actual title is yes, petty officer. Yeah, 42 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: and my brother in law, he was the person I 43 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: went to go see. He actually very much dislikes that title, 44 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: but yes, it was. It was super cool to see 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: all these guys who are younger than me, who are 46 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: going to be going and working on just huge nuclear 47 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: powered machines that they are going to be essentially running 48 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: the furnaces, you know, like just making it all happen 49 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: and running all the systems. Oh, that's pretty cool. I'd 50 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: like to have that knowledge. Well that this brings us 51 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: to an interesting point. UH listeners, we love to hear 52 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: any of your military or naval related stories if you 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: have some experience, because it is an entirely different world 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: and it's something that if if you think there's something 55 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: hidden or interesting that the average non UH non military 56 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: member just wouldn't think about or wouldn't know, and you'd 57 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: like the rest of your fellow listeners to hear it, 58 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: then write to us or send us a tweet or 59 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: um what what's a Facebook message? I've got one for you. 60 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: Right before we go in. I did not know that 61 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: most of our countries nuclear power systems, just the ones 62 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: that generate power that's mostly run by the Navy. I 63 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: didn't know that. Yeah, it's true. I I thought I 64 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: thought they were simply training people for ships and for 65 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: submarines and things like that. But it's to maintain the 66 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: infrastructure of our nuclear power. Speaking of correspondence, and we 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: had some folks right in and we we asked if 68 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: this should go at the beginning of the end. We're 69 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: going to keep it at the beginning this time, and 70 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: and see we feel about it. But ladies and gentlemen, 71 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: it is time for our shout out corner. Shout out corners, Yes, 72 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: shout out corner, the moment in the show where every 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: week we go to your comments, your tweets, your community 74 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: case and we attach a shout out a personal touch 75 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: to send it back out at you. So today we 76 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: have several. The first one comes from Eric or at Eric, 77 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: who says every three minutes of the show should have 78 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: a shout out, and now any one for myself. So fair, Eric, 79 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: here's your shout out. Thank you for the feedback. This 80 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: was visa vis should the shout out corner be at 81 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: the top of the show or the bottom of the show. 82 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: Clearly Eric is in the former camp. Well, he has 83 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: gone in a third way Eric, we'll make a compromise. 84 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: What what you can do is play that shout out 85 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 1: part every every three minutes, or repute every five, whatever 86 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: you wish. I think it'll be tough for us to 87 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: do a shout out every three minutes. That sounds kind 88 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: of um. We'd have to be a live show, and 89 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: then it would be confusing. We would need a fourth 90 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: person just to supply all of the shoutouts just while 91 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: we're going. I think, what if the shout out? What 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 1: if we were fueled by shout outs? What if that 93 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: was the only way we could continue is every three 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: minutes we recharged with a shout out. I don't know, man, 95 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: kind of like I've talked about shoutouts as currency, why 96 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: not shoutouts as sustenance? You know this is this is 97 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna tie this in in a weird way. Uh. 98 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: Later on in today's podcast, Actually and I love do 99 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: you point out sustenance? Who's next? You want to go? 100 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: You want me to go? Matt? The next shout out 101 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: goes out to Stewart Lucky. He sent us an email. 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: We see him all over the place, guys on our periscope, 103 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: sending us messages on our Twitter all the time starts. 104 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: Stewart's really cool and he always is interacting with us. 105 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: So guess what, Stewart huge shout out to you. You 106 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: send us something about the tiger stripes in the kum 107 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: Tang desert in northwest China. It looks really interesting. Have 108 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: you guys seen an image of this? Yeah, I've seen 109 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: some images. Yeah, it's really cool, he says. Could this 110 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: have something to do with perhaps a Chinese harp system? Right? 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: Maybe be, but the way it looks, it looks very 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: very different to me. I would you know, I would 113 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: love to look into this more and get back get 114 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: back to you on that. Which is like a pattern 115 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: that you can see in a flyover or something I 116 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: don't know right, you can see on Google Earth, can you? 117 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: So it can't be that that secret because as we know, 118 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: Google Earth will cow tow to any state level organization 119 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: that request it removes something. What a nightmare that job 120 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: must be, going in and scrubbing all the yeah and 121 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: pixelating it and people. You can probably tell if you 122 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: know what you're looking at, if you find the right 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: spot and you say, wow, these trees or this sand 124 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: became suddenly sixteen biddish. Yeah, that's very much a repeating 125 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: pattern here. So our last last shout is to Ashley 126 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Wazner or Wazner who suggested we look into the strange 127 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: noises in the sky that have been documented on video 128 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: across the world. This is an interesting one. I think 129 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: a few years ago we had heard about this. Some 130 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: people have said trumpets in the sky. Some people had 131 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: mentioned it's tied as well with the idea of the 132 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: hum or some something of that nature. So these are 133 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: all great suggestions. We're gonna look into these, and thank 134 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: you for writing to us. If you would like a 135 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: shout out, then, as always, drop us a line where 136 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff on Facebook, Twitter, and we're uh, I don't know, 137 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: We're kind of all over the internet nowadays, right, we 138 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: got the Internet going nuts. And that concludes the shout 139 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: out corner. Let's go right into this. Have you guys, 140 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: have you matter you know seeing a UFO? I can, 141 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: I cannot say that I have or not. I do 142 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: not believe that I have seen a UFO. Officially, Well, guys, 143 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: as it happens, I have seen what I would consider 144 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: unidentified to me, and I was not able to identify 145 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,239 Speaker 1: it after the fact, and it was a very unusual 146 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 1: peculiar shape that I'm not used to seeing at the 147 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: at the height in the sky that I was seeing it. 148 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: Um So, in a past life, I once was a 149 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: poor touring musician um with a group of Satanists called 150 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the hell Blinky sex tet Um. We really Satanists, but 151 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: the name of the was the hell Blinky sextet Um. 152 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: They're actually still around and shout out to Andrew Benjamin 153 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: and and all the hell Blinky folks. They play dragon Con, 154 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: they play They're they're kind of a steampunk type band. 155 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: I was. I was sort of a little goth kid 156 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: playing the violin with my uh, with my goatee and 157 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: my black clothes. Anywhere, yeah, I can, we can post 158 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: a picture. Um. Anyway, we were on a tour and 159 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: we were traveling through the Midwest in a rented van 160 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it was in Illinois or somewhere. 161 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: I remember there was a lot of corn a lot 162 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: of corn fields. I never really um road tripped in 163 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: that part of the country before, so I was kind 164 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: of taking it in and looking out the window. I 165 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: had a little handicam back in the day. It was 166 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: one of the first little HD Sony handicams and UM, 167 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: I was shooting footage of the window, and UM, over 168 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: the corn fields, kind of far into the horizon, I 169 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: saw what looked like sort of a strange geometrically shaped object. 170 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: Was it? It was kind of like a diamond shape, 171 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: um or maybe like almost like a like a trapezoid 172 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of I remember it had very angular and it 173 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: was it was just hovering and it wasn't close. It 174 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: was clearly very far. But the size that it was 175 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 1: for how you know. And again, the perspective is strange 176 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: out there when you're in very flat land. It's hard 177 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: to kind of judge distance as well. And I wasn't 178 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: really used to, you know, seeing things in this part 179 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: of the country. So it was very jarring. And I 180 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: did get it on video, and for whatever reason, I 181 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: do not have the tape anymore. I know that's sort 182 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: of likely story. But at your house. No nobody showed 183 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: up at my house, but they probably just figured that, 184 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: you know, my dumb self would lose the thing in 185 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: which I did, and so I was no threat to 186 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: anyone trying to cover anything else. Well, here's the thing 187 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: with the men in black. If if you were in 188 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: fact visited by them, you would have no recollection. Yeah, 189 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: it's like being roofy by the men in black. Did 190 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: the UFO have any lights on it? Or it was 191 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: during the day, it's the thing. So it was in 192 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the day and it you know, it 193 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: was just very strange. And the funny thing is I've looked, 194 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: even like in the X Files and in shows like 195 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: that where they have uh photos of supposed UFO sightings. 196 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: What I saw it looked very similar to some of 197 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: these sightings. And I remember there's an episode in the 198 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: X Files, I forget which one it was, where there 199 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: was some sort of top secret government craft that would 200 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: like it was really really fast and it was you know, 201 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: setting the ground on fire because it was remember that one. Anyway, 202 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: it looked like kind of what one of those would 203 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: have been what would have looked like. But it was 204 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: really strange, and I to this day have not been 205 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: able to justify figure out what it was. Um, you know, 206 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: very very that's fascinating. And we've had, we've had, especially recently, 207 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: a lot of people right in to say, hey, guys, 208 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: here's the story I have. I cannot explain it, but 209 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to tell you about it. And we appreciate those. 210 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: Maybe when we compile enough, we can read them on 211 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: air and maybe a UFO listener mail episode. Um, this 212 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: brought us to a big question we wanted to ask today, 213 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 1: and you have maybe asked yourself this before, which is 214 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: where the heck are all the aliens? Where all the 215 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: extraterrestrials seems like they would be around, right? Absolutely? So, okay, 216 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: this is this is something that blows my mind when 217 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: you think about it. Whenever we hear people arguing about 218 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: alien life or extraterrestrial stuff, and it's automatically treated as 219 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: some sort of tinfoil clap trap. Those people are not 220 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: exhibiting those critics rather or not exhibiting critical thinking when 221 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: they say that there are no aliens. We can walk 222 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: through this because there's this huge paradox, right, given this this, 223 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: given the size of the universe, it is let's just 224 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: do the numbers. Okay, So the observable universe is about 225 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: nine billion light years in diameter, just the part we 226 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: can see, just that part. In that billion light years, 227 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: there at least a hundred billion galaxies and planets like 228 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: the one we live on are pretty common. They're not 229 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: they're not rare. By any means. This means that there 230 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: are trillions of possibly habitable planets. And this leads us 231 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: to the number one thing that blows my mind. The 232 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: odds are on our side. With the size of the universe, 233 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: it is almost completely inevitable that some other form of 234 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: life exists or did exist, or will exist. Here's the 235 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: downer to this beautiful thought, right, Uh, the same thing 236 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 1: that means that aliens definitely exists and where life death 237 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: funly exists in the universe also guarantees that these other 238 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: forms of life um probably won't ever come into contact 239 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: with us, or we won't come into contact with them, 240 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: and and that's a very unfortunate thing. But it's just 241 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: it's because we're so vastly far away, right, Yeah, So 242 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: when you look at the odds, think of our area 243 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: of the universe like a neighborhood, right, and let's call 244 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: our neighborhood the Milky Way. So these other life forms 245 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: may very likely not be in our neighborhood. There might 246 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: be in a different neighborhood. And the reason that this 247 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: sucks so bad for us is because we will probably 248 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: never get to see them, even if we have great technology. 249 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: Because the universe is expanding. But whenever the stuff comes 250 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: up in you know, pop culture, trou and fiction, it's 251 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: always like the aliens just have to make contact with 252 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: us because we are so fascinating and great and or 253 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: awful if they want to annihilate us, right, And that's 254 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: you know, from a logical standpoint, there's some disturbing things 255 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: in there. We get this, like, even if we had 256 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: an amazingly fast spacecraft, right, uh, And even if we 257 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: somehow had a social organization or dynamic that allowed us 258 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: to be in a spacecraft for a long time and 259 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: not kill each other and reproduce effectively and still be 260 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: cool about everything, it would still take us billions of 261 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: years to travel to another another cosmic neighborhood, yeah, to 262 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: another galaxy, right, to escape. And even if we could 263 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: escape our galaxy, we're not even exactly sure what we're 264 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: going to encounter from a physics standpoint leaving a galaxy, 265 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: because there there are all of these effects on on 266 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: gravitational fields and all these other things that when you're 267 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: inside the safety of even a solar system, when you're 268 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: trying to escape that they're they're huge dangers that we 269 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: possibly haven't even accounted for. Yet right, and let's remember 270 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: that those dangers would it goes both ways. Another civilization 271 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: attempting to come to Earth would also run into those 272 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: things if it were not from the Milky Way. And 273 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: in between those neighborhoods, it's the deep and it's the ink. Yeah, 274 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: it's a very specific set of conditions that give us 275 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: the atmosphere and then the gravity that we experience. And 276 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: you know that's why astronauts need such intense equipment when they, 277 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, even go just outside of our atmosphere. This 278 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: ties into something else. Let's get weird with it. Let's 279 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: assume or play a thought game with us, folks. Let's uh, 280 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: let's imagine that human entity gets its collective junk together, 281 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: right where a family show gets its collective stuff together, 282 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: cooperates and builds some kind of multi generational spaceship and 283 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: arc of sorts. Yes, yeah, essentially, and this thing would 284 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: be capable of traveling billions of years. And we have 285 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: detected somehow a signal from a nearby galaxy and we 286 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: we say, well, we have the technology to build something 287 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: that will last billions of years. We're going to take 288 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: this gigantic leap and we are going to spend more 289 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: time than ever in humanity and a conscious pursuit of 290 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: a single endeavor. Here's the stuff that would happen that 291 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: we would be strange. Even if we survived to add 292 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: some kind of cohesive social structure, we ourselves would probably 293 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: evolve along the way due to the exposure, the compromises 294 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: we would have to make to this other, uh, this 295 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: other environment in which we would live, Which means that 296 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: even if everything else went right, and even if there 297 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: were still some things, some other intelligent thing to find 298 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: when we got there, whatever did land and comes out 299 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: of that spaceship, would no longer really be human. That's 300 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: crazy to think about. So even for that alone, we 301 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't be there, and did there are ways we could 302 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: get around it. Let's imagine if we did cryogenics, you know, 303 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: some kind of hibernation. What if we sent robots, which 304 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: honestly is probably the the next step. What if we 305 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: just sent robots that had our DNA and said, you know, 306 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: do us a solid and make some of us once 307 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: you get to a cool part, and they would go, 308 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: it's a little weird, I don't know. No, No, it 309 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,120 Speaker 1: would be great as long as they didn't have any 310 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: kind of extensive historical documentation about humanity, then they would 311 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: be well, of course, once we get to this point 312 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: where we can rate an arc, at least in this 313 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: world that we've created here, perhaps humanity has moved on 314 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: from our past aggressiveness and all of that. But that's 315 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: that's the strange thing, right, Matt, Like, none of that matters. 316 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: None of all these very heady scientific fiction type things 317 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: we've mentioned matter. If the destination star explodes, if the 318 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: civilization perishes, perhaps due to nuclear war, due to some 319 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 1: other technology, or a gamma ray burst, you know. There. 320 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: Un there's so many more ways this could go wrong 321 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: than it could ever even go halfway, right, especially what 322 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 1: you're saying with the expansion of the universe, and depending 323 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: on which direction you're going within the universe, how the 324 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: expansion is occurring, because you have to imagine that's time, Like, 325 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 1: if you're traveling billions of years, the way light functions, 326 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,119 Speaker 1: you know, and the expansion you you could be the 327 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: billions of years could be exponentially greater. Mm hmm. Yeah, 328 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: And that's that's the problem. They're moving goalposts. So let's 329 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: say if other galaxies are right out, then let's talk 330 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: a little bit about our neck of the woods. Let's 331 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: talk about the Milky Way. So the Milky Way, our 332 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: galaxy contains about four hundred billion stars billion with a 333 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 1: b of that four billion around twenty billion um. Look 334 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: a lot like the Sun. Okay, yeah, so up to 335 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: a fifth of these are about four billion have planets 336 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,959 Speaker 1: that orbit within what we call the habitable zone. Uh, 337 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: sort of a Goldilocks kind of vibe. Not too hot, 338 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: not too cold, just right. If only point one percent 339 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: of those star systems point one percent harbor life, um, 340 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: we'd still be looking at a million planets with some 341 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: sort of life. And what we have to note on 342 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: in that regard is that when we say some form 343 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: of life, we're not instantly talking space varying civilizations. Quite 344 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: the opposite. I'll probably like micro organisms, microbes, Yeah, microbes, maybe, maybe, 345 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: if we're lucky, some kind of higher order multicellular life. 346 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: But it makes me think of these, uh, these little 347 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: guys called the water bears tarte grades is what they're called. 348 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: And they, you know, scientists froze them and then revived 349 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: them after you know, a decade or something like that. 350 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: Very very resilient, little little little guys. Seems that they 351 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 1: can survive space travel even without a helmet. Yeah, just 352 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: if we got weird stuff like this on our planet 353 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: that's so resilient and that could exist outside of our 354 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: again very specific set of conditions that we are, you know, 355 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: um kind of built for. I see no reason why 356 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: this could not exist outside of our you know. Well, 357 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: here's another note, and I'm really I'm really glad you 358 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: brought that up, because we have to assume that we 359 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: have to factor in age as well as size. So 360 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: the Milky Way is around thirteen billion years old after 361 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: the first For the first few billion, it was sort 362 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: of a bad neighborhood. Stuff was exploding, things were smashing together. 363 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: Planet's like a lot of planets weren't quite planets yet, 364 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: it was it was people probably or life force probably 365 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: didn't live there during the first billion years, if there 366 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: anything like us, because which again that's a tremendous assumption, 367 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: because they would be obliterated so quickly. Even think about 368 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: things like the formation of the continents, you know, and 369 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: plates just smashing up against one another. You know, we 370 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: don't we haven't really experienced anything like that in our lifetime. 371 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: It's just where such a blip and this idea that 372 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: you're talking about about the age makes me think of 373 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: things like, you know, the ancient ones, the elder ones, 374 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, like h and that's that's an interest. Okay, yes, 375 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna tie this in because Earth is a new 376 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: kid on the block. Earth is uh well over four 377 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: billion years old, which is just nothing. That's that's chump changed. 378 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: This means that way before our planet became a thing, 379 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: the Milky Way had trillions of chances of opportunities for 380 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: life to be created, to to uh life to exist. 381 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: And you know a lot of planets came and went 382 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: before we ever showed up or moved in. So that 383 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: means if only one such civilization existed before us and 384 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: created space travel, this will fundamentally change our understanding of 385 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: the universe. And you know, we always think of because 386 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: of science fiction, we always think of an alien species 387 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: that can uh that has spacefaring technology as being a 388 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: future oriented, advanced thing. But it maybe, to your point, 389 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: a much older and ancient and eldritch thing, and it's 390 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: certainly would give them the time to have developed a 391 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: different set of technology or to be more advanced. Because 392 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: again you look at the timeline of Earth and um, 393 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: you know what we've what it's taken us to create 394 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 1: the technology and the um, you know, society that we 395 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: have today. I think if we had a million years 396 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: accomplish that stuff. You know, every time I we talked 397 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: about this stuff, I think about that game the Massive 398 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: or Mass Effect. Have you played Mass Effect at all? 399 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: Or Okay? Well, alright, Ben, because well, in that in 400 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: that game, you and I think I've talked about this 401 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: before on here, but we in that game, once a 402 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: civilization gets advanced enough to travel a certain distance from 403 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: their planet, they will encounter this ancient old technology that 404 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: is massive, and what it can do is essentially, uh, 405 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: have you jumped with light speed to a different part 406 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: of the galaxy. But there was an ancient, ancient civilization 407 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: that created these things in order to traverse the entire 408 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: galaxies because collects the Harbingers and I don't want to 409 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: give things away, but but there is a Yes, there's 410 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: an ancient civilization. And what you're saying Ben in here 411 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: is that let's say that one of those really did 412 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 1: exist in the Milky Way, Uh civilization that could do 413 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: that if if it was true and in the real world, 414 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: and they built these ships capable of taking, you know, 415 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: thousand year long trips to get to one part of 416 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 1: the galaxy to the other and then build this huge technology. 417 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: It would take millions and millions of years to achieve 418 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 1: some of these things, to colonize the entire galaxy, or 419 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: to at least visit the entire galaxy, Which means then 420 00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: that if this, if some ancient civilization existed, uh, there 421 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: would be there. There would be time, enough time. If 422 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: they were around again, then this is such a tremendous 423 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: house of cards. Yet that the question would be where 424 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: are they? And that is the million dollar or shall 425 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 1: we say, the billion light year question originally posed by 426 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: the legendary physicists and Rico Faremi. This is the Faremi paradox. 427 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: If everything we know about the Milky Way and the 428 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: larger universe assures us that other forms of life are likely, 429 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: if not near inevitable, then why have we not found any? 430 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: Why have we not found one? There are a few possibilities, 431 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: you guys want a laundry list them. Yeah, maybe it's 432 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: just extremely difficult for life itself to begin. We we 433 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: don't really know exactly the mechanisms that make life occur 434 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: on a planet we know non living things. Yes, we 435 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: we know that there are situations which are extremely beneficial, 436 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: like being in habitable zone near a star and having 437 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: an atmosphere and all of these other things. But you know, 438 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: getting an atmosphere is a huge ordeal in its own right. 439 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: Or then maybe it's just really really difficult for life 440 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: to evolve past a certain point, so to like the 441 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: earlier point you made. No, maybe most aliens are single celled, 442 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: relatively primitive organisms. So maybe the entire universe, like the 443 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Milky Way, used to be a lot more dangerous to life, 444 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: just made it unsustainable. But imagine a past that's filled 445 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: with gamma ray bursts and exploding stars and black holes, 446 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: wandering black holes, radiation, all kinds of existential threats, you know. 447 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: Or or just go back to the earlier note about evolution. 448 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we just haven't gotten to the next big evolutionary hurdle. 449 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: We haven't gotten over it. It's possible, I guess that 450 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: we could invent technology that has species and thing consequences 451 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: nuclear weaponry, which we already have obviously, Yeah, let's see, 452 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: well it could render the entire planet completely uninhabitable. Might 453 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: not even take something as immediate as a nuclear weapon. 454 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: We could just do it to ourselves with you know, 455 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: climate change and you know, the right kind of weaponized disease, 456 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: or maybe Alphabet or another big company hundreds of years 457 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: from now will invent essentially what is a new species 458 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 1: through technology that can then or will have to take 459 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: over for us once organic life can't exist or maybe 460 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: hundreds of months. That's yeah, this goes into something that 461 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: the machine consciousness thing is something that we I'm glad 462 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned because we're going to get into that too. 463 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Here's the scariest one, in my opinion, what if another 464 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: highly sophisticated UH class three kind of civilization does exist, 465 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: able to traverse the galaxy with technologies such that not 466 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: only is it uh not only does it seem part 467 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: of the natural world to us, but it is godlike. 468 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: And what if this civilization seeks out life forms that 469 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: evolve past a certain point, you know, whatever that point, 470 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: maybe maybe before you find whatever magic technology it is 471 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: that allows you to traverse space, and what if it 472 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: destroys them? Yeah, out of self preservation. I mean, you 473 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: don't want anyone else coming out in and destroying your 474 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: ships or fighting over resources. I mean, maybe that could 475 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: really be a thing and and the other factory your 476 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: course is time. As we mentioned previous in the previous 477 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: podcast about contacting aliens, the likelihood of other life forms 478 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: is existing is high, it's very high. But the likelihood 479 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: of them existing at the same time as our life 480 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: forms is likely much much lower, just because there's so 481 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 1: much time involved. Guys have got one more possibility. This 482 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: is something that Noel and uh I guess since the 483 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: previous podcasts to kind of talked about and I can't 484 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: remember if it made it on the air, but um, 485 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: let's okay, no, maybe you should explain it. What if 486 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: all biological entities are just stepping stones to another phase 487 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: of evolution entirely, like machine minds or created life. This 488 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me because it certainly feels like space 489 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: is not the right environment for biological life right. But 490 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things, the processes that we do, 491 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: that we have to do in order to maintain our 492 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: existence as a human or as any biological living thing 493 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: that just aren't conducive to an environment that's enclosed, like 494 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: in a spaceship or something like that. I don't know, Well, 495 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: it's painful for the human ego I'm sure, but it 496 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: may well be true. You know what is what is 497 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: more within the reach of our species? Is it to 498 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: modify ourselves and our issues such that we are better 499 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 1: adapted to interstellar exploration? Or is it closer within our reach? 500 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: You know? Are we Are we the primates that give 501 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: way to the next step? Are we the bacteria that 502 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: are you know? Are we the unicellular organism that creates 503 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: something multicellular? You know? It's it's strange because we tend 504 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: to think that we are the masters, Yeah, the end result, 505 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: the masters of our own evolution. That there was a 506 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: poem you and I got close to quoting a few 507 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: podcasts to go with the master of my fate, the 508 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: captain of my soul? Was it black as the night 509 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: that covers me? Dark as the night that covers me, 510 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: black as pitched from poll to pull. I think, what 511 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: ever God may be for my unconquerable soul, I can't 512 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 1: arrest we. I think it's called but it's it's a 513 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: very human thing, you know what I mean? And it 514 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: may not be true. The id the idea of being 515 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: somewhere low on the evolutionary chain is almost like as 516 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: incomprehensible as imagining what it's like to to be dead, 517 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: to not exist, you know, like try to wrap your 518 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: just think about like what what what what does it 519 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: feel like to not experience to you know, I mean 520 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: it's you. It can't you can't do it right because 521 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: the thought itself is an experience. So to me, like 522 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: to think of what would it be like to evolve 523 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: beyond myself, beyond beyond what I am, the equipment that 524 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: I have mentally, physically, any of that still very incomprehensive. Yah. 525 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: It's the old question of if we make, if we 526 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: make robotic uh like hard drive copies of us, if 527 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: we scan our brains and our personalities with a fidelity 528 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: such that they would be an exact copy. You know, 529 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: does that is that us? And if so, what are we? 530 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: But now it's time for us to get to something 531 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: that hopefully listeners, ladies and gentlemen, friends and neighbors you 532 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: will enjoy as well. We are going to talk about 533 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: whether despite all these all these things, all these numbers, 534 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 1: all these statistics we have looked at, we're going to 535 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: talk about whether there's any evidence something like an alien 536 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: or extraterrestrial has visited Earth. But first award from Resis. 537 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. This is this is an 538 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: even bigger question. Have aliens visited Earth? Let's let's talk 539 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: about UFOs because we're not the first people to ask 540 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: this question. Oh no, no, no, no no. This is 541 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: a huge question been around since I guess since we've 542 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: been looking at the stars really and trying to understand 543 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 1: what the heck they are? What is that giant glowing 544 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: thing that? Yeah, we've been wondering like what put that there? 545 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: How did that get there? Is it something that some 546 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: outside force did? Can I go to their? Can that 547 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: go to me? Yeah? Yeah, very very simple questions that 548 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: are actually pretty big. Um. So if we look at 549 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: if we kind of zoom through the human histories, we 550 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: get to a time right after World War Two when 551 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: there were a lot of sightings of things in the sky, 552 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: a lot of times at night, sometimes during the day. Uh, 553 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: that appeared a bit strange, out of the ordinary. That 554 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: regular old Joe's like you and me, Noel and Ben 555 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: just look up and go, huh, that's weird. So the 556 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 1: Air Force decided they were going to look into these things, 557 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: UFOs in particular. They began in and it was a 558 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: thing they called Projects Sign, where they were looking at 559 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: sightings of UFOs and just kind of collecting as much 560 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: data as they could on them, trying to see if 561 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: they could explain them through uh means like a balloon 562 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: in the air or test going on with an aircraft, 563 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: even things such as lightning or you know, lights in 564 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: the sky. And then in let's see, that was called 565 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: Project Sign and it was then they changed their name 566 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: to Project Grudge, which was a kind of a separate 567 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: project where they were going through and essentially trying to 568 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: debunk the findings of Project Sign or just to explain 569 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: all of them away, because there were there were a 570 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: couple of things, a couple of sightings that were considered 571 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 1: unexplained still, and then in nineteen fifty three, it kind 572 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: of had its third little iteration, which became a thing 573 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: that you probably have heard of and we've talked about 574 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 1: before on this show called Project blue Book, not to 575 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 1: be confused with the Kelly Blue Book or a Project 576 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: blue Beam, nor the blue books that you perhaps were 577 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: issued when you had to do writing test. So this 578 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: became Project blue Book in nineteen fifty three. But they 579 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: were all pursuing similar things in different ways. Yes, and 580 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: between nineteen eight and nineteen sixty nine, the Air Force 581 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: investigated twelve thousand, six hundred and eighteen reported UFO sightings. 582 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: And in this report that talks about the findings of 583 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: Project Blue Book, Grudge and sign and uh nor could 584 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,879 Speaker 1: you read that of these total sightings, eleven thousand, nine 585 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen were found to have been caused by 586 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: material objects such as balloons, satellites and aircrafts, immaterial objects 587 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: such as lightning reflections and other natural phenomena, astronomical objects 588 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: such as stars, planets, and the sun and moon, weather conditions, 589 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:55,440 Speaker 1: and hoaxes. As indicated, only seven hundred and one reported 590 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: sightings remain unexplained. Great job, noll. I would object to 591 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 1: the language that I used, is, however, because only seven one. 592 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: That's sort of right that well, it's not sort of that. 593 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: There's no reason for me to add on some kind 594 00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: of crappy modifier words to that. That's absolutely attempting to 595 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: unsuccessfully in my opinion. Uh Bury, the lead Yeah, downplay 596 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: it like crazy in this official report. So what were 597 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: their official conclusions? Okay, so they had three official conclusions. 598 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: One no UFO reported investigated and evaluated by the Air 599 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: Force has ever given any indication of threat to our 600 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,760 Speaker 1: national security. That's a big word, you know, that word, 601 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: very important national security. There has been no evidence submitted 602 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: to or discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized 603 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: as unidentified present technological developments or principles beyond the range 604 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 1: of present day scientific knowledge. And three, there has been 605 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: no evidence indicating that's sightings categorized as unidentified are extraterrestrial vehicles. 606 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 1: And then in sixty nine they terminated the project. Right, yes, 607 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: that's correct, And I think I think it was President 608 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: Carter that wanted to kind of start back up blue Book, 609 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily the Project blue Book itself, but he wanted 610 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: the Air Force to look into unidentified flying objects again, 611 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: and they turned him down because because well, yes, because 612 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: he saw one, and I guess he just thought it 613 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: was a good idea. But the Air Force looked back 614 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: at these reports and just said, nah, we're not gonna 615 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,280 Speaker 1: do that. That's something that we hear often enough every 616 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: time a president is newly elected, not re elected, but 617 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,720 Speaker 1: newly elected Clinton. Right, Clinton was one. I think Bush 618 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: may have meant one of the bushes and made some 619 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,720 Speaker 1: statements about it. Probably w probably not h W given 620 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: his past in the CIA. Obama mentioned it. Numerous presidential 621 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: nominees will say I will look into this, and whatever 622 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 1: they find out, you know, it's not been published, which 623 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 1: goes to the idea of the disclosure project. Let's also 624 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: talk about since we we talked about the idea of 625 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: this vast chronological scale, let's explore the um conversations people 626 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: have about ancient alien visitations, the legends of someone landing 627 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: from Afar, the tie ins with biblical creatures such as 628 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: the Nephelum who fell from the sky and taught man 629 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: agriculture while also sleeping with as many people as they could. Right, Uh, 630 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: so we're the Nephelum. Rather, let me amend that the 631 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,879 Speaker 1: Nephelum were the result of those sorts of unions. So 632 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 1: you will often hear ladies and gentlemen arguments that these 633 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: are these stories, these oral histories that were later written 634 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: down are evidence of some other I formed from beyond 635 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:06,040 Speaker 1: the stars, jump starting human evolution or human social evolution. 636 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: I I have to admit I kind of like these stories, 637 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 1: at least the idea underlying these stories, because when you 638 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 1: if you think about it logically, you kind of get 639 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: lost and you start doubting that this could ever be true. 640 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: But when you I like the ideas of time and 641 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: how large our galaxy is and how long it's been around, 642 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:34,279 Speaker 1: and how relatively young the Earth is. I like the 643 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: idea that perhaps there was some mass, massive, intelligent, perhaps 644 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: even technological life that that existed in the universe or 645 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: even in our galaxy, that somehow seated our planet. And 646 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: I really like the I think that's kind of what 647 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 1: the story is in Ridley Scott's latest Aliens franchise film. Yeah, 648 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: that actually came to mind that a lot of this 649 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,839 Speaker 1: stuff just about like you know, the engineers in that 650 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: film seem to be sort of like the next stage 651 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: of our evolution. So, yeah, this is this is a 652 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 1: good topic because I was I was planning to bring 653 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: this up as well. The theory of pan spermium is 654 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: a horrible name, but it is probably one of the 655 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: biggest potential discoveries that we can make, along with tracing 656 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: the origin or figuring out the providence of the Wow signal, 657 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: which you know, of course, is the one of the 658 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: most anomalous signals received from space. We have done an 659 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: episode touched on that you can check it out where 660 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 1: we're talking about alien contact, the idea of microbial alien 661 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: life coming to Earth. The idea of this pan spermia 662 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 1: theory is in many ways of a plausible ancient alien idea, 663 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 1: and it seems um what do I say plausible, I 664 00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: mean comparatively plausible. It's seems that this could be in 665 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: the cards if there were an extraterrestrial higher order being 666 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: that came to Earth and sometime in the ancient past. Uh. 667 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: I believe that most civilizations and researchers would want everyone 668 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: to know about it. If, however, they came during a 669 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,040 Speaker 1: modern time. Somehow, I believe that there would be an 670 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: air of secrecy just given them, given the fact that 671 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: we live in a globally connected world in which many 672 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:40,640 Speaker 1: state actors and corporations are in constant dirty competition. But 673 00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,399 Speaker 1: in in this alien ancient alien theory, it would be 674 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: that perhaps they visited before humanity had evolved into a 675 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: conscious mind to a hunter gatherer situation, because that the 676 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: idea would have been that, instead of being capable of 677 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,280 Speaker 1: learning on their own, early Homo sapiens had somebody appear 678 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: out of the eye and plant and teach them how 679 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: to plant things. Uh. The clearly you know, long time listeners, Uh, 680 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: you know that I have personally quarreled with this because 681 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,760 Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of institutionalized racism in ancient 682 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: alien theories. I'll spare everyone in the conversation and bring 683 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: up when this stuff happens, just to say, you know, 684 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,600 Speaker 1: if you hear someone tell you that there's no way 685 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: ancient Egyptian civilization could have made the pyramids, don't just 686 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: believe them. Look into the vast amount of research people 687 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: have done about recreating them. So at this point, I 688 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: don't know where else do you want to go with us. Well, 689 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: I would just say that if you're you've probably already 690 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: seen everything that you could ever see about HI and 691 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: alien theory through the History Channel or H two or 692 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:51,359 Speaker 1: basically by turning on your television and being near those channels. Um, 693 00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 1: you'll you've probably learned everything about the NASCAR lines. We've 694 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,440 Speaker 1: covered that before. We don't. I don't think we need 695 00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,800 Speaker 1: to go back over it. We've covered Viamana's flying machines 696 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: and ancient Indian ethics. I'd like to look into those 697 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: and more depth. At some point. I think that's fast, 698 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,440 Speaker 1: and you know, warrants its own its own podcast, because listeners, 699 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 1: if you're familiar with this, this is the idea that, uh, 700 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,440 Speaker 1: in ancient Indian civilizations there were flying machines that were invented, 701 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: and that there was actually something very close to an 702 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: ancient nuclear war. So we can check that one out 703 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: for sure. I don't know. But see also that doesn't 704 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that aliens did it. Ancient civilization did it, 705 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,720 Speaker 1: and we're just catting the cycle of building nuclear weapons 706 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: and then destroying civilization, and then building nuclear weapons and 707 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: then destroying civilization. The argument of great filters that civil 708 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,560 Speaker 1: that alien civilizations tend to self destruct before they ever 709 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 1: get to the point where they could communicate with other 710 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,840 Speaker 1: people seems pretty likely. Well that's all I've got. Certainly 711 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: something we see, you know, repeating itself even in the short, 712 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,479 Speaker 1: relatively short history of our own planet. You how great 713 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: civilizations kind of crumbling and then being replaced. Oh and 714 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: that's a that's a scary thing to how how foolish 715 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,680 Speaker 1: would it sound to an outside civilization to land right 716 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: after some devastating war and to say, well, these this 717 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: group of animals was, this group of biological life forms 718 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:27,759 Speaker 1: was close to getting into interstellar travel, but because their 719 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: tribes didn't get along, they killed everybody. They didn't have 720 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,480 Speaker 1: like a fight club thing with like two leaders do 721 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: get it out. No, they said, everybody dies. And the 722 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: fish are like us too, and they're like yes, because 723 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,360 Speaker 1: you were in the wrong place at the wrong time 724 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: cosmically speaking, right, And and when we when when we 725 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: think about this, how how strange this could be. It 726 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 1: also brings up a very specific thing that just reminded 727 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,480 Speaker 1: me of no I. If you think about the rise 728 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,840 Speaker 1: and fall of empires, many historians have tried to trace 729 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: this to find a pattern to the cycle, right a 730 00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: frequency even And if you look at the empire that 731 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: is currently the United States, it's anomalous right now. And 732 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:20,799 Speaker 1: while you know, we as people don't haven't there's no 733 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,040 Speaker 1: one who's been alive as long as the US has 734 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: that we know of. Uh So it seems like it's 735 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,160 Speaker 1: stable and it seems like it's solid. But it's early 736 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,359 Speaker 1: days yet that's just because inside of it and how 737 00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: long will it continue? Will it be or will it 738 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,399 Speaker 1: be around when when we see some sort of alien civilization, 739 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,320 Speaker 1: when humanity or humanities successors strike out to the stars. 740 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think folks, Let us know 741 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,320 Speaker 1: if you think there have been instances of alien contact, 742 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: Let us know if you think we'll ever find it. 743 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: Let us know if you think space is a place 744 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,719 Speaker 1: for biological entities like us, or if we are just 745 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: here just sort of be the midwives for a new 746 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: form of life. 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