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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. It's Quest Love and please make

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Speaker 1: sure that you're up to date on my podcast, The

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Speaker 1: Quest Love Show. However, it's Quest Love Supreme for life.

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Speaker 1: Back in late twenty twenty, in the thick of the pandemic,

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Speaker 1: QLs had my guys one Boys to Men for a

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Speaker 1: two part podcast discussion. It's damn near three hours of

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Speaker 1: conversation when we get real and all the stories behind

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Speaker 1: this incredible record breaking group. So join me fon, tigelow Laiya,

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Speaker 1: Unpaid Bill and Sugar Steve for this amazing touchstone interview

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Speaker 1: with a lot of humor, candor and realness. Thank you

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Speaker 1: to Nate, Sean and Wanye. Shout out to you, to

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Speaker 1: Mike and Mark, You're all boys to Men to me,

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Speaker 1: you guys humbled me and also gave one incredible conversation

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Speaker 1: at a time when we needed it. So here's part

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Speaker 1: one of Boys to Men on Quest Love Supreme. Quest

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Speaker 1: Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Nobody else hear you record?

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, okay, what his real name?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what is Mama phone?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's it? Yes, I am immune.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, ladies and gentlemen, what can I

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Speaker 1: say Our guest today are the pride of my hometown

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. They are, in my opinion, and I'm very biased,

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Speaker 1: they are simply one of the finest, most talented singing

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Speaker 1: groups in history.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: They have made classic records, they have broken records, and

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Speaker 1: when those records got broken, they broke records with their

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Speaker 1: own records. The three singles three singles single handedly have

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Speaker 1: occupied the number one spot for forty three weeks.

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Speaker 4: In a row.

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Speaker 1: That is no small feet when it's just spread out

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Speaker 1: through three singles. Only two other artists in recording history

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Speaker 1: have achieved that feat. And know his name isn't Michael Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Elvis and the Beatles. You know to be alive to

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Speaker 1: watch Beatles fans cry over into the road record breaking

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Speaker 1: the Beatles, that was one of the most craziest days

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. We can call them the last true

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Speaker 1: R and B group. We can call them the forefathers. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We know that every any any group of individuals that

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Speaker 1: call themselves boys band, they know they owe this group

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Speaker 1: everything from and sink to B t s they owe

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Speaker 1: them greatly. Please welcome to questl Supreme. Finally, the one

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Speaker 1: and only Boys to men.

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Speaker 3: There you go, y'all finally because we only got one call.

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Speaker 1: Damn wait wait wait wait, is this gonna be.

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Speaker 5: You know, hey, hey, you know what's type of we're

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Speaker 5: high school like like, yeah, it's gonna be real.

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Speaker 1: Had a look on look right now, I'm all right,

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Speaker 1: Jill Scott. Episode went somewhere, the music, episode went somewhere, boy, somewhere.

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Speaker 3: This is this is this isn't really you're gonna get like,

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Speaker 3: you know, we only know one way to talk to

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Speaker 1: Actually, wait, my first question. People are dying to know

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Speaker 1: what the hell did y'all do this sudden impact?

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Speaker 3: I don't know what we did in that wasn't I

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Speaker 3: grew up. No, I'll tell you what. I'm pleasing to

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Speaker 3: know what we did. We tried to save him after

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Speaker 3: Mike Rivers got rid of him. We tried to sign

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Speaker 3: Then somebody named the Backstreet Boys came out and then

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Speaker 3: they disappeared. Wow, what happened? Mother?

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Speaker 2: Nathan?

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Speaker 6: Everyone than you.

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Speaker 1: I can tell it's gonna be a classic interview already.

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Speaker 1: Where are you guys right now? I assume that, and

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Speaker 1: I know you guys get tired of asking like when

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Speaker 1: people see individually, like where the other group at as

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Speaker 1: if you're attached to the hip together right now right,

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Speaker 1: because I can never be nowhere without mister you know

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Speaker 1: right exactly? So where are you guys right now?

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Speaker 5: I'm in l A Wins in Vegas, and Nate's in

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Speaker 5: a big old house in Tampa, Florida, sitting batty the big.

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Speaker 3: Old house like everybody else. Everybody else is in a

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Speaker 1: I'm all right, I see when when? Okay, based on

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Speaker 1: the reality that we're living right now, when's the last

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Speaker 5: February.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you this, Yeah, March. But I'll tell

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Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt, without seeing each other or talk. Yeah, physically, yeah,

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Speaker 1: All of those niggas, So how how does that affect?

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Speaker 1: which is I mean, we did it so much that

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Speaker 1: the automatic pilot was good, But like, how does it

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Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know, we aint never did it.

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Speaker 2: It's never happened before, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: But but like you said, you know, groups that have

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Speaker 1: Is this a welcome break? Most most artists that I

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Speaker 2: More individual that that that that question to be answered.

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Speaker 7: I mean, for me, I think two months that's that's

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Speaker 7: But that the two months, I'm ready to see them,

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Speaker 7: You got to have that that that energy flow of

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Speaker 7: So after two months, I'm like, yo, it's I gotta

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Speaker 2: I don't know about everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Now you're just ANTSI to give back to Yeah whatever.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I mean it's it's the same. So

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Speaker 8: There's there comes a ceiling that you know, you tour

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Speaker 8: after a while, you know you want to say, okay,

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Speaker 8: you know what, let's let's let's fall back for a

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Speaker 8: We've never been about all the the you know, the

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Speaker 8: And and the stage is is just another persona that

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Speaker 5: Sean, Wynye and Nick you know what I mean.

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Speaker 8: So you know that that's that's always been the ebb

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Speaker 5: So you know, so so it's it's but yeah, it's

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Speaker 8: We missed being out there and performing because, like I said,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'd like to be home. We like to chill

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Speaker 2: We like to entertain.

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Speaker 3: This is what we do.

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Speaker 1: I saw y'all.

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Speaker 6: Y'all came to Raleigh. Man, this is probably like ten

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Speaker 9: This is a minute ago, and y'all performed, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I think part of it is exactly what we were

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Speaker 3: So you know, it's like a muscle, if you work

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Speaker 2: What are y'all doing now to make sure it is well?

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Speaker 3: I mean we still we still sing, we just don't

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Speaker 3: Oh no, well see again. The difference for me is that,

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Speaker 2: And are you still Nate?

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Speaker 1: Right, I get it. So that means Nat is James

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Speaker 1: But you about right this This leads to my next question.

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Speaker 5: I could break that down because because honestly, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: Because when I y'all would break out in song.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, here's the thing. When when when I came in,

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Speaker 1: Seven and there was a freshman okay, and I can't.

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Speaker 5: When I came in, you had your clicks, you know

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Speaker 5: That Nate used to hang around.

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Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, no, don't even know that.

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Speaker 10: No no no no no no no, I don't do it.

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Speaker 3: If you don't do it, be right, be right, hang over,

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Speaker 3: I'll not be right. I did not hang around them.

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Speaker 3: They hung around me. Let's get it right, let's not

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Speaker 3: even you know, no, no, I need that, I need

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Speaker 8: They hung around me because most of them was from

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Speaker 8: And you know every day after the Columbo kids will

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Speaker 3: That's my neighborhood. So they don't want to get their assa.

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Speaker 1: How real? How real was the pulump because again I

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Speaker 5: Bottom line is one of my friends got is those

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Speaker 3: They're big brothers were from the project, so they lived

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Speaker 3: Money, yeah, because they had to be split high school

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Speaker 5: It was their bigger brothers that I got you. So

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Speaker 3: Well what it was was the school was it was

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Speaker 7: But you know that, you know what, it wasn't always

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 7: And I'm not gonna I'm not going to front. I mean,

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Speaker 7: school is going to check.

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Speaker 3: You're thinking that.

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Speaker 7: So when you walk outside and you see all these

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Speaker 2: Or did it go? It didn't even have to be

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Speaker 7: It's just they wanted to make sure that they made

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Speaker 2: And y'all gonna have to run if y'all come out here.

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Speaker 3: That's what.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, I digress, I digress back to the to the

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Speaker 1: So you had the so called this is my favorite episode.

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Speaker 3: I just said the same.

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Speaker 8: You had the so called cool kids right that all

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Speaker 8: the nerds, right, spazoids, the.

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Speaker 5: Horrible You weren't a weep, No I was.

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Speaker 1: He was pulling George though I.

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Speaker 10: Was pulling when he got in the group. Always no, no, no, no, Let.

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Speaker 5: Me let me explain.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I got nothing.

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Speaker 8: That was very true, which is one of the reasons why,

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Speaker 8: I hung around the same people even when I was

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Speaker 8: in the group, the whole nine yards then the group

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Speaker 8: you know that show of Eyuary fourteen.

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Speaker 1: And one, y'all cheat with the Sparkles, Yeah, okay with

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Speaker 1: the cheat.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 5: Y'all had the whole house business. O.

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Speaker 3: Listen, listen, you didn't kill that ship for they sparkles

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Speaker 3: to man, you going all the way.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way we know how to do it,

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Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, to bring our people up to date.

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Speaker 1: There's a Valentine's Day performance in school, and you know

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Speaker 1: this is the moment where you felt like, all right.

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Speaker 3: Your instrument was just gonna do it now, Sparkles.

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Speaker 5: Because I lied, he ran it too, the Sparkles.

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Speaker 3: I lied to you. Not niggas got beat by Sparkles.

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Speaker 1: No, but I'm dead serious. When y'all walked on stage,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, They're like a real group.

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Speaker 1: Like this isn't unique attraction anymore. This is this is

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Speaker 1: the Beatles. Absolutely and I was like, yo, but dude,

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Speaker 1: like I just said that, he still might owe me

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Speaker 1: seventy five cents, like this is still them. They're not

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Speaker 1: a real group. But for that, for that ten minute performance, y'all,

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Speaker 1: y'all transformed into like it was like the Jackson's came

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Speaker 1: to school and ship And I was like, wow, let me.

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Speaker 3: Tell you, dude, Honestly, we didn't really realize it until that.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was one of those things where I think the

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Speaker 3: same way we felt it. And we literally had no

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Speaker 2: None that none.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was a transformative moment.

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Speaker 7: It's crazy you bring that up, because, like Sean said,

440
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 7: it was girls that you know. I'm pretty sure we

441
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,879
Speaker 7: all tried to like, you know, send my holler at

442
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 7: during the year, you know what I mean, and they

443
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 7: basically gave us no attention whatsoever. Bro, when we were

444
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 7: when because you remember, the principal came.

445
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: And stopped it.

446
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 1: Yes, he was gonna stop it because right because it

447
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 1: was so crowd.

448
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Was like, this is not a concert, this is not

449
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 2: you remember that.

450
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 5: In our poses looking stupid as ship.

451
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, that's really weird. I'm the only one that

452
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 1: remembered this moment. I was like, I wasn't even want

453
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: to bringing up I'm like, I don't remember that.

454
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: Let me tell you when we talked. We used to

455
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 3: talk about it on the tour bus all the time, dude,

456
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 3: like Wan said, and Sean said, nobody wouldn't talk to us, dude.

457
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 3: We we all had our own little clicks. But when

458
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 3: we were doing boys to men stuff, because everybody in

459
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: the group in the school could sing, you know, a

460
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 3: male could see like everybody could sing. It was just

461
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 3: like okay, well everybody could sing. But it wasn't just

462
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 3: in the school. It was after school, when we stayed

463
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: there until ten o'clock at night, or when we went

464
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: down the subway at ten o'clock at night. It was

465
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 3: all that stuff that that put us a little bit

466
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 3: ahead of everybody else and it became normal for us.

467
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 3: That's just the way we're supposed to do it.

468
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't stop at three o'clock.

469
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 7: And it was just crazy because those girls man after

470
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 7: that performance, the same girls I remember them, Cadijia, she.

471
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: Sat right next to me right after the after the

472
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 2: class and.

473
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 5: She was like well he didn't give me a rose,

474
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 5: and I was like, that's.

475
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: Why you didn't give me a number.

476
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 5: I'm gonna make it.

477
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 8: You know how important it was like you know, bag

478
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 8: of upper class and I was like in this everywhere

479
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 8: eh grade and I had life classmen for a girlfriend,

480
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 8: like a straight singor like right like weeks after the show,

481
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 8: like I had a baddie.

482
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 6: I'll went from virgens to not.

483
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what's crazy though, when you look

484
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: at and you look at the whole musical landscape to

485
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: the school at that time, it's like, you know, we

486
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 3: used to try to do new audition stuff like that

487
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 3: and sound modern and that was kind of our niche.

488
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: But like you guys and stuff was interesting to us

489
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: because it was like our we knew our parents would

490
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 3: hear y'all do y'all jazz stuff and be like, we'd

491
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: be like, that's my friend, Like he's not playing on

492
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: old stuff like and it's it's you could you knew

493
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: the vibe because it was like if older people fell

494
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 3: in love with you guys and stuff, it was fire.

495
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 3: Not that young people didn't, but we couldn't mentally soak

496
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: in all that deep jazz stuff y'all had going on.

497
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: So we would just watch and watch older people just

498
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: lose their mind, like these guys are so deep in

499
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 3: there and they're you know, they're you know, so rich,

500
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 3: and we be like, we can't even read have the music,

501
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: the stuff that they playing. It's like it was, it

502
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 3: was interesting. It was you guys were more cultured than

503
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 3: we could ever get at that age in our life musically.

504
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 8: And let me tell you, let me tell you, man,

505
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 8: like even now like we will we would tell people

506
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 8: in interviews that those four years with probably some of

507
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,160
Speaker 8: the best years arguably in that school, because so much

508
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 8: talent came out of those four years that it.

509
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 5: Was it was something going on.

510
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 11: Can you talk about it real quick, Sean, because this

511
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 11: is common knowledge to y'all, but to the rest of

512
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 11: the world, people don't know what came out of Kappa Like.

513
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 5: It was Tarika and our Mirror, it was a Melo rule,

514
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 5: it was Chris Christian.

515
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 8: Like, there was so many established now established still touring

516
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 8: the world, making money, you know, winning awards, the whole

517
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 8: nine yards that happened in that four years, and we

518
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 8: all went to the Stady School to god.

519
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so I came to Kappa. You came in eleventh

520
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: grade as well.

521
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 3: No, but the year you came in, I was already

522
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 3: I was already there, right.

523
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: So the thing was is that the first incarnation of

524
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: the group was unique attraction. How did that dissolve and

525
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: how did it morph into boys them?

526
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 3: In the first incarnation was in eighty five?

527
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: Oh okay, that was me.

528
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 3: That was none of the guys that you know other

529
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 3: than me. So not even Mark Nelson, not even Mark Nelson,

530
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 3: no matter of fact, yeah Mark, No, not even Mark Nelson.

531
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: Mark was right after that we had one guy kick out.

532
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: So right on the end of that was guys you

533
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: don't know other than Mark. And as people would graduate

534
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: school and lead a group or quit the group, or

535
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: they girl pull them out, you know, all the great stuff,

536
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 3: you know, I would just put you know, other people

537
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 3: back in the group. Now. It's funny because one was

538
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: actually picked before anybody else before he actually got into

539
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 3: school because I watched him auditioned the year before and

540
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 3: I knew somebody was leaving. So I was like, all right,

541
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 3: well he leaving, I'm get that little negga. So as

542
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: he get in there, he just don't really know how

543
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: his thing is going down. So then you know, Wan

544
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: was at it when we had you know, me Win

545
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 3: and it was a girl and two other guys and

546
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 3: then Sean. Actually again, like Sean said, he kind of

547
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 3: had his own little nerdy click. We didn't really know

548
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 3: how well he could sing. We knew he could sing.

549
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 3: He's in the choir because he you know, at school,

550
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 3: don't pick nobody. But he had a solo one year

551
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: and I was like, I need him. So the next

552
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: year somebody else left put him in, and then it

553
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 3: was me and him, Wan and Mark and it was

554
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: just us. Mike just snuck in by a mistake. It

555
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: wasn't like we really hand picked the guy. He was.

556
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: We were singing the bathroom rehearsing. Mike walked past us

557
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 3: while we were rehearsing, and he went to the bathroom

558
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: taking pits, and while we were singing, he sang along

559
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: with what we were singing. You know, Mike boys, you know,

560
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: so it filled up the bathroom. Yeah, so it was like, uh,

561
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: all right, well, you know, let's let's see how he

562
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: works in here. And then that that was that was

563
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: what you know, and that all came together around eighty eight, right,

564
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: sean yes eighty eight.

565
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay for those that don't know what actually

566
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know the legend of the Civic

567
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: Center story, but how exactly did you finagle your way

568
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: backstage to.

569
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 11: VIV?

570
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: Was it a new edition performance? Like what was the

571
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: actual story that?

572
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 5: Okay, it was it was it was the powerhouse that

573
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 5: year and uh that was the year that uh Bell

574
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 5: BIV Duvaux was actually being announced like they Mike and

575
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 5: Rick and Ron went to Philly to make an announcement

576
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: that they were going to be a singing group together.

577
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 5: But the thing was was.

578
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 8: Obviously Charlie knew knew Nate Charlie, and Charlie was like, Yo,

579
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have I'm gonna have you let y'all. You

580
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 8: know hear y'all sing, you know what I'm saying. And

581
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 8: he was like, all right, cool. So we're sitting out

582
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 8: you know, front, waiting to show up or whatever. He

583
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 8: never showed, but we knew. Uh we ran into Teddy

584
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 8: Pendergrass's daughter. Yeah, okay, the Pendergrads, right, So she was

585
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 8: and she was like, Yo, I'm gonna get y'all in.

586
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: So we got.

587
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: That's another story.

588
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: So so so.

589
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 5: Yo, so so so we okay, so we did with

590
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 5: you right, right, so we got it.

591
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 8: And and so we're waiting around the backstage area, right

592
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 8: so I don't know, and then you can help me out.

593
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 5: Who was the first person to kind of started talking

594
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 5: to her whatever?

595
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: And she was there, say her dad. So she had

596
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: a friend with her and they had one extra pass.

597
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: I guess it was somebody else was waiting for it.

598
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: So Mark kind of enabled to pass from him and

599
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: he went backstage and they were kicking or whatever, and

600
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 3: then he borrowed one of theirs and came back out

601
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: gave it to uh one of the guys. Then we

602
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: kind of switching the pass back and forth till everybody

603
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: got back there. And by the time we got back there,

604
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: Rick and Ron and them was coming off stage because

605
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: they was actually hosting the show, so they was coming

606
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 3: off stage from introducing the group. And when they came

607
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: off stage, he was like, yo, we have Ricky first,

608
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 3: Like yo, dude, we got you know, can we sing

609
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: for you? And he was like, you know, y'all got

610
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: a tape, you know, tape back then, y'all got a

611
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: tape And we was like, no, we ain't gonna tape.

612
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: We could just sing it right now. He's like, well,

613
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: you know, y'all got to send us a tape. And

614
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: then Ron was like, yeah, well, you know y'all for

615
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 3: sending He writing an address and I was like, man,

616
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: fuck that, so asked. Mike was like, yo, dude, can

617
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: we sing for you? Mike was like right now. We

618
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 3: was like yeah, he said all right, cool, and we

619
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: just rocked in the uh freaking uh what was it?

620
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: I can't remember, yeah, can stand the ring and everybody

621
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: was standing around watch and by the time we finished,

622
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: Charlie showed up.

623
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 7: And it was talking wow, what Look Keith Sweat was

624
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 7: there when we finished, surrounding us with Keith Sweat, Paul

625
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 7: Abdul Charrell.

626
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: All like Will Smith, Yeah, yeah, No.

627
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 8: Will came in after after finished singing Will we were

628
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 8: finished singing. Will came in with a heather jumpsuit yup

629
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 8: and and Harry Bone that said fresh Prince and with

630
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 8: y'all and then that's yeah.

631
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: What's funny is after we finished, Rick was like, well,

632
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: you know, y'all still got to send us a tape.

633
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: Mike was like, no, y'all, niggas ain't gonta send me

634
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: nothing here. I'm gonna be here this time, right, No, no, no, no, no,

635
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: call me in about a week and a half and

636
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 3: that was it.

637
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: Wow, just to hear that story, it's almost like creative

638
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Russian Roulette, because if it's five minutes, if it's had

639
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: Charlie mac showed up in time, it would have been

640
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: a whole different trajectory need anybody standing backstage could have

641
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: had it could have been a different result.

642
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: That's learned at that moment not to be late. We

643
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 3: learned not to depend on Charlie Mack.

644
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 5: You know, I had the same conversation with chear and

645
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 5: he denies this whole story.

646
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 3: Of course he did, of course that this is no no, no,

647
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: no no. And first of all, Sean, you know what's

648
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: funny is that a man checked this out. We not

649
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: only did we have to get backstage, we didn't even

650
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 3: have tickets to get in. I can't even remember how

651
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: we snuck in the building in itself.

652
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 11: Right, it's quite a few people's story for Powerhouse, though,

653
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 11: you know, is own legacy in that way.

654
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know what, honestly, we started to realize

655
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: that everybody was sneaking in the Powerhouse after that after

656
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: we told the story, everybody sneaking.

657
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I hate y'all for this story simply because

658
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: then suddenly comes the onslaught of YO can spend quick

659
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: because he hears the story. And then they're like.

660
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: And just having funny if they do it for us too,

661
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 3: and now we'll be like, yeah, is there somebody is?

662
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: Is there someone established right now that has the story

663
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: for y'all? Like I came to y'all first, and y'all

664
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: didn't hear a lot of people people who ntablished now.

665
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 7: Who'll music came to us when we were at the

666
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 7: Vibe video shoot.

667
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: Too, and I didn't even know. I didn't even stink.

668
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: Yep, he's one. It's it's a couple of them, Bro,

669
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,479
Speaker 2: I don't music.

670
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: Wow, he.

671
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 3: Got I gave us, gave us a CD or something

672
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: was on the bush, a.

673
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: Lot of the whole lot of records.

674
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 11: Bro.

675
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a kN I could have he would

676
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 2: have he was writing music for us. It would like crazy,

677
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 2: Oh that would have been yeah a voice.

678
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: Man. Wow, it happens, Man, it happens.

679
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: It happens. So all right, when the whatever whatever data,

680
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: whatever day that stands in your mind for for officially

681
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: arriving right, What lesson would you tell yourself back then

682
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: that you wish you knew? As as a precautionary tale.

683
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm only asking this because I tell people I told

684
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: someone like I think last episode, I said, I spent

685
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: my entire events in three weeks not knowing that that

686
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: was it records, right, I blew my whole advance on

687
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: like four stopping stopping spreeze, and that was it. One lesson?

688
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: Did you did you wish you knew then the first

689
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 1: time you got put on like that first year, it's

690
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: it's yeah, well, okay, Oh my god, am I dj vlad?

691
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Now?

692
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 5: I thought I knew you're absolutely not you're in the culture.

693
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought I had lad, you.

694
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 5: Are not dead.

695
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: I thought I had my business and order. I thought

696
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: when my group signed a fifty to fifty publishing deal

697
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 3: with Mike Members that it was a fifty fifty publishing deal,

698
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: and without me going too deep into it, it wasn't.

699
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: Okay, So you wish you would have fought for that.

700
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: I wish. I wish y'all would have known a little

701
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: bit more at that moment. Then I knew four months

702
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: after that because it didn't take much longer to figure

703
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: it out, but it was. It was. It was a

704
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 3: life changing this decision that if it was made early

705
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 3: for all of us at that point, yeah, four months,

706
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: five six years later, things would have been a lot different.

707
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, Uh, Well to ask, was it was the

708
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: parting with Viv amicable?

709
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 3: It was not at first. I mean to this day,

710
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: are you fine now? I think we're better now, But

711
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: at that time it was not amicable at all. No,

712
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 3: it was.

713
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 7: Actually The funny thing is is he was literally forced

714
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 7: to part with us, that's right, you know what I mean,

715
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 7: because it was it was between Boys Too Men and

716
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 7: Big ten Records, you know what I mean. And we

717
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 7: were both involved with Motown Records at the time, so

718
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 7: you know, he had to make a choice because they

719
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 7: said it was a conflict of interests and he chose

720
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 7: BIV ten Records.

721
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

722
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, taking away from the fact that he had that

723
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: he had publishing and.

724
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: Writers.

725
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: Was was Gerald Buzzby a part of that?

726
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 5: How it was a difficult part of it at the

727
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 5: time that we split.

728
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 8: It was during the time was going through a major

729
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 8: transition of being sold to a larger record.

730
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 5: Late and we were a key piece.

731
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 8: We were Yeah, and we let we basically let him

732
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 8: know we were at that time, we were about nine

733
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 8: million records in or eighty something like that.

734
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 5: Whatever, It was a lot, and.

735
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 8: You know, we saw all of the you know, bad

736
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 8: deals surrounding us, and we were like yo, in order

737
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 8: for us to kind of continue and make records, you know,

738
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 8: we basically very kindly said, well, you got to fix

739
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 8: this deal or else we're.

740
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 5: Not making any more records.

741
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 8: So, in you know, trying to fix the whole situation,

742
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 8: Jerald presented bid with the big ten deal, Bid ten

743
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 8: records because we were signed up.

744
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: Actually actually that deal was that Yeah, that deal was

745
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: predicated on Mike finding three artists, which he did before

746
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: we even met Mike. It was set up for him

747
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 3: to find artists and then if his artist were successful,

748
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: he would roll over into that record label, which the

749
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: artist was us another bad creation, and at that time

750
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: mc brains he had three successful artists. But because we

751
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 3: were on the back end of that, like Sean said,

752
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: we you know, our numbers weren't right for us. Gerald

753
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: pretty much said, listen, I got this deal with you,

754
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 3: but you can't be in these guys pockets too. You

755
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 3: got to figure something out because these guys are holding

756
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: up my company now, so if they don't make a record,

757
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 3: I got a problem with you. So he jammed him up, saying, listen,

758
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: you can take one of the other. You take this

759
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 3: big ten, big ten deal and roll and rock with that,

760
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: or you can rock with them. And he knew we

761
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: weren't really happy because early on, you know, we figured

762
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: this thing, like I said it was, it wasn't too far.

763
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: We figured this thing out about two and a half

764
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: million records. I'm like, this money ain't right, so we

765
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: roll hold it out fourteen million records, knowing that it

766
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 3: was wrong. So by the time we got there, he

767
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: chose to go with Big of ten because he he

768
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: produced his three records that the artists that was supposed

769
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: to be you know, were successful, and then we ventured off.

770
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: So Gerald made that split happen. Otherwise Mike would still

771
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: be a part of Boys to Men in some kind

772
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: of way, right now, Wow, damn sure.

773
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: So I guess the boy fruit Punch didn't deliver too much.

774
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't get out much.

775
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 2: Didn't get out much.

776
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: All right, So who what's the what's the uh? I

777
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: guess the the process of deciding what the creative vision

778
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: is at least for your records. Like, Okay, you got

779
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: a record deal and I know that you know the

780
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: characters and in Dallas, uh collaborate with you guys, but

781
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: who decides, Like who says that, okay, let's start off

782
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: with I'd never besides the SOS band, I don't know

783
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: many groups that have thrived starting their album off with

784
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 1: three ballots.

785
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 6: That's the listen heard. I was like, wait a minute, may.

786
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: Please don't go boy right exactly? So well, you know what,

787
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't who's navigating.

788
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: We didn't have any records. They didn't know what to

789
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 3: do with us. They signed the R and B group

790
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 3: that could sing and they loved it. But once we

791
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 3: made they once we got signed, they didn't have any songs.

792
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: So like you know, all the songs that is on

793
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: the first album, if you look at we wrote all

794
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 3: those and performing arts, we wrote those in those hallways

795
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: and those.

796
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: Before we even had a deal.

797
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, before we had a deal. We had those songs

798
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: done and they were like, Dallas, we're gonna put you

799
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: with this group. What songs you got? Dallas had Motown

800
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: Philly sitting around from the Joyce Herby days, but other

801
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: than that, Dallas Austen had no more records, so we

802
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: was like, oh well we got you know, we do

803
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: it so hard to say about it the extra day

804
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: it's a cover. You know, we wrote please Don't Go

805
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 3: and only hard this morning, like we wrote all So

806
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 3: we just start recording them.

807
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 7: Dallas put the production, he produced the record. We sung

808
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 7: it to him and he sat there and figured it

809
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 7: all out and produced the record. And you know, those

810
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 7: songs that you actually hear were already pre written.

811
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: And as far as the ballots is concerned, you gotta

812
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 3: people tend to forget that Motown Philly was the first single.

813
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't a ballot, right, Okay, No, I just meant

814
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: in terms of the record and who was the alpha

815
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: that decides, Okay, this is this is the title of

816
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: the album. This is going to be like.

817
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was big and I think you know him

818
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 5: talking to us, he kind of understood our strengths and

819
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 5: in the albums, specifically this this specific album.

820
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 8: Uli high Harmony and the ballads had such a presence

821
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 8: that we all agreed that, you know, the the Adagio

822
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 8: side was the best side.

823
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: You know, the performing we stole, right, So we went

824
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: We wanted that just as.

825
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 8: Much because those hit different with us, you know what

826
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 8: I'm saying, And it hit different with our friends. We

827
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 8: would bring friends over and stuff like that. I mean,

828
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 8: they loved the ups, but the ballads just kind of

829
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 8: that kind of made it real fuss.

830
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, I went through that list kind of fast.

831
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 5: I'm just curious.

832
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 11: Those songs that you said that you wrote in high

833
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 11: school were what and then how did that division? I'm

834
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 11: so curious the songwriting process of the division.

835
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 8: Nate wrote Please Don't Go and Lonely Heart in School.

836
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 8: Right as we were going along with the process of

837
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 8: doing the record, you know, we started coming up with ideas.

838
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,439
Speaker 8: Uh Winya and Nate wrote, uh.

839
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: Well no me and you.

840
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: We wrote this is my Heart in school with my

841
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: heart me.

842
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 12: And well, yeah, I wrote, I wrote my part on

843
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 12: the train on the l that's right. And then I

844
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 12: came and Wine wrote his you know the love and time.

845
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 3: Like he he you know what I mean?

846
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 5: And and he wrote that in the studio.

847
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 3: And wrote Moto Philly.

848
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 7: We wrote we wrote that in mister Walker's room, bro,

849
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 7: I promise you which one holding?

850
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 3: Yes? I think I remember that.

851
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 11: Yeah, mister Walker, you know which just to reiterate what

852
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 11: y'all said earlier for the novices of people who just listening.

853
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 11: Y'all wrote these songs in high school, and yet and

854
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 11: still you only got fifty of these songs.

855
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 3: And that's when that's when you look at like me

856
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: and Sean sitting in my backyard right Motown Philly. You

857
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: know when I mean again, I give viv All the

858
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 3: credit for, you know, a lot of the creative stuff.

859
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 3: You know, the idea of creating a song called Motown Philly,

860
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 3: the idea of coming up with a song called titles

861
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 3: and concepts are great, but none of that. That song

862
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: rattled you to having my song, and that's where things

863
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: started to go left. And we, you know, we looked

864
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 3: up to him a lot. So our thing was you know,

865
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: that's our guy. You know what I'm saying. It's cool,

866
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: we understand. But once we start to realize money is

867
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: coming through and we're still in South Philly, something's gotta change.

868
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: But I don't want to get back on the negative.

869
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: I'mna stay more on the other stuff. As far as

870
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: the songs. Like I said, me and Sean did Motown

871
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 3: Philly in my backyard and then wine we was We

872
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: were all sitting in my brother's room and like I said,

873
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 3: Bib came up with the idea, you guys need to

874
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: write a Sean call oh and Niggas was like so

875
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: it was like who nobody wanted to write it? So

876
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: we should? There we we all flipped the coin and

877
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: Wan lost, so he had to write it. So he

878
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: started writing, so we all went back in the studio. Yeah,

879
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: remix Sean. I think me and Sean did the remix.

880
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: I think I did. Yeah, anyway, why started writing it?

881
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: He came to the studio and he couldn't finish it,

882
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: so he's like, yo.

883
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: Dude, finished it, but you said it ain't nazty y'all.

884
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 3: I said it ain't nasty enough. And he was like

885
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: he was like, well, dude, I mean you know what

886
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 3: what are we supposed to do? I said, ye, yeah,

887
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 3: get here? So I rewrote some of it. I rewrote

888
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 3: it and wrote wrote what parts of it and then

889
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: we had we started singing it and I was like,

890
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, my dad ain't gonna be proud

891
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: of me with this song. Were like just we just

892
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 3: pushed record and just kept going. It was like there

893
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: was we ain't we ain't trying to pressure that right now.

894
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: So why came in the studio late the day we

895
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: was recording and we had a girl in the studio.

896
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 3: Didn't make the record, but we had a girl in

897
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: the studio making these sounds and stuff on the right. Yes,

898
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: but I mean like some of the stuff that we

899
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: didn't make the record. But anyway, video Wine came in.

900
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: I was I was on the console. Wine came in

901
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: and he heard the girl. He looked at the move

902
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 3: was like, what is what? What's this? What's what is that?

903
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 3: We're just trying to, you know, get the song where

904
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: it needs to be. It's like, dude, I told you

905
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: my dad ain't gonna be proud of and he ran

906
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 3: out and slammed the door on me and other like

907
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: all try to get one more time where you go

908
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 3: from the top.

909
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 5: With the song.

910
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 3: So again, most of those songs, almost all those songs

911
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 3: except two on the first album, we all wrote either

912
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: in high school or on the way to the studio

913
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: and houses getting ready to make that record because Motown

914
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 3: had no songs for us.

915
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: They didn't know what to do with us at all.

916
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Wow, So how difficult was the transition in your personal

917
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: lives again. I can only speak from an experience that

918
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,959
Speaker 1: your life drastically changes, and probably the people that change

919
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: the most on you are your are family members, like

920
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: people that are close to you and whatnot, how awkward

921
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: or not awkward. What's that adjustment like with your your

922
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: your first year into coming out with as far as

923
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 1: like interacting with friends from your your your childhood and

924
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: people that feel entitled.

925
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: I can't say.

926
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 8: I can't say that there's been like some metal dramatic

927
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 8: like change personally from people that I knew. The people

928
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 8: that I knew were actually in support of me even

929
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,760
Speaker 8: before all this, so when it happened for me personally,

930
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 8: they were like, okay, that makes sense because I was

931
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 8: the kid that was in the Philadelphia Boys Choir and

932
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 8: you know I did these things and that, you know,

933
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 8: all the other stuff. So when it came down to oh,

934
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 8: I'm in the group, you know, you had a couple

935
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 8: little knuckleheads's like oh, I don't believe until you know

936
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 8: it all happened.

937
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 5: But it was never like oh, you know, give me

938
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 5: some money or some it was. It wasn't a movie scene.

939
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 5: It was it was it was all. It was all

940
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 5: all supported in a sense where when I came back

941
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 5: to my neighborhood, everybody was like, Yo, what's up? And

942
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 5: I was sit my old stupid just with my you know,

943
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 5: the same friends that I had, and we'd hang out

944
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 5: and kick it. I think it's the same with everybody.

945
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 3: I mean, because no, dude, like, Yo, you're supposed to come,

946
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: You're supposed to get us up all out of here.

947
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 3: And I'm sitting here going through it because I'm a

948
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 3: logical thinking guy. So I go through my head. I'm like,

949
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: and I asked, this, dude, is five y'all out here,

950
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 3: let's just just just play this game for a second

951
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 3: with you. I'm supposed to make it and come back

952
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: and get all of y'all out. So if I come

953
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 3: get off five of y'all out and give y'all all

954
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: my stuff, y'all gonna be going, and I'm gonna be

955
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: back here on this corner by myself. I'm not gonna

956
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 3: be here by myself. I'm not giveing y'all nothing. Yeah,

957
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: And that's how that went well with me. It was

958
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: with me.

959
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 7: It was a little different because I'm from the Project

960
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 7: for Richard Island Project.

961
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, and Northern Liberties.

962
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 3: Homes exactly.

963
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 7: So, so I'm from Richard Island and a lot of

964
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 7: people that when I became famous, they were my age.

965
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. There's a lot of cats

966
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 2: that was my age. But they were doing other things.

967
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: What I'm saying.

968
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 7: They were street pharmacists, you know what I'm saying. They

969
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 7: were you know, they was hustling, they was doing all

970
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 7: the different stuff. But they always supported me, you know

971
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 7: what I'm saying. Once we became uh you know famous,

972
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 7: uh sort of sick sort of speak, we actually you know,

973
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 7: when I would come back, every time I would come back,

974
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 7: somebody was in jail or dead, you know what I'm saying.

975
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: And it was their.

976
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 7: Brothers and sisters who are now older and in the

977
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 7: place where they were.

978
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: So they didn't have the same respect for.

979
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 7: Me as their brothers, brothers, you know what I'm saying,

980
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 7: who was like, yeah, we we finally made it, you

981
00:50:59,040 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 7: know what I'm saying.

982
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: That's how they felt.

983
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 7: But then as they started going you know, the prison

984
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 7: and you know, passing away and stuff, that there was

985
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 7: no respect there. I even had to move my grandma

986
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 7: out of and she loved the project. She loved it

987
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 7: even when I was making money. She really literally wanted

988
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 7: to stay there, you know what I'm saying, because that's

989
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 7: really all she knew for so long. But I had

990
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 7: to move her out of there because I couldn't go

991
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 7: and sit out in front of her house.

992
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 2: With my with my bends, now you know what I'm saying,

993
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,719
Speaker 2: with my bends.

994
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 7: Or in my truck and people just walk by. It

995
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 7: was always something and my grandma was here to getting

996
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 7: a lot from it. And she basically was like, yeah,

997
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 7: they talking crazy. I said, well, you got to move

998
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 7: out of here.

999
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: And I just bought her the heat. The heat was

1000
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 3: coming for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

1001
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: So I mean, it's it's it's different.

1002
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 7: I mean family is a little different too, of course,

1003
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 7: because like you said, there's always an entitlement somewhere somewhere.

1004
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 7: It's not necessarily always the immediate, but there's always an

1005
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 7: entitlement of a cousin, of a cousin, a cousin, you know,

1006
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 7: I what's you know, But they're not really you know

1007
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 7: a part of your life like that, you know.

1008
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 3: I tell you what's funny with me is that I

1009
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: had to try to, uh, because I always try to

1010
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: think a little bit ahead. I had to try to

1011
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 3: think for family members who don't really understand the change

1012
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: of the lifestyle. And in some cases, you know, obviously

1013
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: when he becomes a chestful, you can't bring your whole family,

1014
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: you know, out of the ghetto. I mean, there are

1015
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: people still live there and whatnot. To the point where

1016
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: I had to start seeing my family at my house

1017
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 3: because I always felt like me driving up in my

1018
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: car going in their house, I'm kind of endangering because

1019
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 3: when I leave, whoever saw that car pull up, It's like, well,

1020
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: why was he going in there? What's in there that

1021
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 3: I don't know about? So I would always have to

1022
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: wind up having my family come to me, and I

1023
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:49,919
Speaker 3: had to kind of pull up from going to see

1024
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 3: my family just not to put them in those spots.

1025
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 6: It's a controlled environment if they come to see.

1026
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly.

1027
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: How how burdensome is in the end of the road

1028
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: and retrospect, how burdens them?

1029
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: Is it?

1030
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 2: Like I understand what he's said, is it?

1031
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 11: Is it?

1032
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: How do you feel like, no, no, no, even when

1033
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: it was happening. When it was happening, you know, Okay,

1034
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: So I was obsessively reading billboard like this is right

1035
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 1: before we got put on. So I was always handing

1036
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: in industry circles. I was interning at rough House. So

1037
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: when it got to that twelfth week, like every forty

1038
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 1: year old white guy was like, yo, they're about to

1039
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: break the Beatles. It was like Santa Claus wasn't real,

1040
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: had no idea, no for real, there was like it

1041
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 1: was like Santa Claus wasn't real and they're going to

1042
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: break this record in the nex and it happened. Like

1043
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: did did it feel anyway or was it just like, yeah.

1044
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 5: We got Yeah. When we got the news, we were

1045
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 5: in London and you know, we were overseas most of

1046
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 5: the time. That end of the road was doing what

1047
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 5: it was doing.

1048
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 8: So when we finally got the news, we were literally

1049
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 8: ten minutes in going on stage at the Hippodrome in

1050
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 8: London and someone told us, hey, guys, you know, you

1051
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 8: guys broke the record. Uh you know, longest number run

1052
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 8: blah blah blah.

1053
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: We're like, oh cool, Wow, I think there was more

1054
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 5: so I think it was.

1055
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: Honestly, we didn't really know how much it meant. Like again,

1056
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: the same way we were in high school was the

1057
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 3: same exact way we were in the business for a

1058
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 3: long time. It was just find a song, learn the song,

1059
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: sing the song better than any damn other group can

1060
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: ever sing it on the planet, and keep doing it

1061
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: again and again and again and every single day. That's

1062
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 3: all everything was about. So all the other stuff that

1063
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 3: was going on that didn't even matter. It's like, okay,

1064
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 3: well now we're finished with Thomas rehearsal. Rehearsal was at seven.

1065
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 3: We gotta get we got to get these harmonies right

1066
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: for the next thing. It was just never a time

1067
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 3: to even think about that. We just didn't know how

1068
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 3: big that was.

1069
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 7: Right, And the funny thing was, at the same time,

1070
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 7: if we were if we knew that the the record

1071
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 7: even existed, like you said, you were around that circle Mire,

1072
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 7: so you know what I mean, people were saying, oh god,

1073
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 7: this is about to happen. We didn't even know that

1074
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 7: there was a record that existed that needed to be broken,

1075
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying.

1076
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 2: So if we were like waiting for it, like all,

1077
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 2: we're about to do it, We're about to do it.

1078
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, But what I'm saying, we didn't do it.

1079
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: I guess if you're living it, if you guys are

1080
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 1: actively working living it and I'm observing it, it's different

1081
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: like at that point I was observing it. So for me,

1082
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: like me observing those first two years was just like wow,

1083
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: like someone that I actually know is doing something, Yeah,

1084
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: doing something fucking big and let me let.

1085
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 3: Me tell you and that let me tell you one

1086
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 3: real quick. We got the same vibe with y'all and

1087
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: this was crazy. We was running around doing all this stuff.

1088
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 3: Went up to Canada. Now you know Canada, they got

1089
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 3: the all the all the gear and whatnot. The first

1090
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 3: time we ever heard Roots was the clothing line in Canada.

1091
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 3: We was like, Jackets is nigga we heard about We

1092
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 3: heard y'all as the Roots. We was like, we know

1093
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: that's up fun. What that's dude, that's that's a mirror.

1094
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: It was for us, it was like we just felt like, yo,

1095
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: his other brother made it, you know what I'm saying.

1096
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 3: Like that was just so like because that's the only

1097
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 3: way we That was our only time we ever heard

1098
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 3: anything about the Roots, like, oh, it's the group and

1099
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 3: they oh that's oh, we know the biggest y'all. That

1100
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 3: was it.

1101
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 11: That was it because I wish they forgot about your

1102
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 11: ass after high school.

1103
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: Home here, it was like, dude, I'm gonna wait, wait, wait,

1104
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna know for real, I gotta tell

1105
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: you that I had to throw that shirt away because

1106
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: all right, so it's weird. I know your lives have changed,

1107
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: but imagine a two point six a two point six

1108
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: second cameo. Yeah, a two point six second cameo. It

1109
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: literally it changed my life at that point, to the

1110
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: point where like Tarik would come by the crib, we

1111
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: go by and he's like, wait, what are you doing.

1112
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know. He's like, you're not

1113
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: wearing the shirt. I said, I'm not wearing that shirt. Yo,

1114
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: go get the shirt.

1115
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 6: Man's dirty.

1116
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: I'll wait, Like that outfit had to been worn. The

1117
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: worst it ever got was at my grain mom's funeral. Wow,

1118
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm not lying. I'm not lying to you.

1119
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: It's like it's.

1120
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: It's like you guys were so popular, so when.

1121
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 11: They asked you to be in a video a mir

1122
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 11: you just how long did you take to say yes?

1123
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 3: Hell? Yeah?

1124
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 9: Like that man being in a video was like and

1125
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 9: that's why the funny thing verified on Instagram?

1126
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 3: What's the funnier man?

1127
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:32,760
Speaker 13: Is that back?

1128
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: Like you wing up at four in the morning, all

1129
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: excited looking at you outfit.

1130
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 3: Like yeah, it's like but it's funny because back then, dude,

1131
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 3: as soon as we got the word that we was

1132
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 3: doing motown Philly and we knew he was doing in Philly,

1133
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 3: I mean just nature for us was like who do

1134
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: we know? Who's our people? Amyor but would anybody we

1135
00:58:54,440 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 3: grew up with like yeah Johnson, Yeah, we tried our

1136
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 3: best to get we wanted. We wanted Philly to be

1137
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: finally on the map with us. We couldn't go on

1138
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: the map without everybody else.

1139
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: Hanso was in it. Yeah, it was like all the.

1140
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 2: Might be I don't know what respect to Hanso.

1141
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: Yes he's reverend Reverend Hansel.

1142
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's talk about it.

1143
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Jesus money.

1144
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm working with the tax.

1145
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: I know that I know that I know to get

1146
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: up come on man, Yeah.

1147
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah for real, Like I had to throw the shirt

1148
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: away and not rock that ship. No more crazy man,

1149
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: that's that's yeah, but it got it got crazy. What

1150
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: I actually, what I do want to know is can

1151
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: you guys speak on Khalil Roundtree like a relationship with

1152
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: him and the effect that that had on you.

1153
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: Gritish man.

1154
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 8: Kyliloo Big because Kyli was road manager for the edition.

1155
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 5: And we met him in Philly, right, guys, we met

1156
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: him in a used to forears on at r PM.

1157
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: At uh RPM on on Delaware Avenue.

1158
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: Right, Delaware Avenue.

1159
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 8: Baby, Yeah, And you know, to make a long story short,

1160
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 8: you know, Khalil became our father figure, you know, somebody

1161
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 8: that looked out for us and protected us from everything

1162
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 8: and everybody.

1163
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 5: And and you know, even though Big brought him.

1164
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 8: Brought him in, and initially his loyalty was to Big,

1165
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 8: you know, that slowly turned it turned into something else.

1166
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 8: Like you know, he he started to love us, just

1167
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 8: like we started to love him, and it became us.

1168
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 6: You know when you when you talk about that where

1169
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 6: your father's like in you guys lives, Like what was.

1170
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 2: The status to that?

1171
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1172
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 6: You know, they weren't on the road with us, gotcha,

1173
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 6: got you?

1174
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1175
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 8: Like when we were on the road and we were

1176
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 8: traveling and doing all the stuff that we were doing,

1177
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 8: he took on that father you know figure you know.

1178
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: Mon was mine was out but yeah.

1179
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 8: Right, but but for the most part, he took care

1180
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 8: of all of us and he made sure that you know,

1181
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 8: we were not only safe, but that we were carrying

1182
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 8: ourselves the right way, and that you know, we stay

1183
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 8: motivated and even doing rehearsals and all the other stuff.

1184
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 8: Like he he was something special because you know, he

1185
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 8: really gave a shit about us. It wasn't just a paycheck,

1186
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 8: you know, to Khalil, like he became an integral part

1187
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 8: of all of our families.

1188
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,680
Speaker 5: He would talk all of my mothers on the road,

1189
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 5: and you know, because the mothers were.

1190
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 8: We calling on the road making sure that we're all right,

1191
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 8: he would talk to each and every one of them,

1192
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,840
Speaker 8: making sure that they knew that, you know, we were

1193
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 8: safe and all that.

1194
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 5: He became something different than just the average Roman.

1195
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he actually, uh my dad was was

1196
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: only comfortable with.

1197
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 7: Me being on the room we met kyl Once he

1198
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 7: met he was like, okay, I'm cool.

1199
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 3: That was like he was like the partner for me.

1200
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 11: Man.

1201
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 3: Like I said, my dad wasn't around. So you know,

1202
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 3: I think I got the call first from Viv about

1203
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 3: a guy that he was looking into and Kylil had.

1204
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 3: It was the night before we all met him. He

1205
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 3: was staying at an airport, Marriott or whatever, and you

1206
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 3: know he had with a big giant silver case with

1207
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 3: all his cassettes lined up on his on his thing

1208
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 3: in his room. And when I first walked in, dude,

1209
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 3: I mean I was a little intimidated because you know,

1210
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 3: kylil big dude. I mean he's a big, big guy.

1211
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: So and that real deep voice, you know what I'm saying.

1212
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 3: So you was it was almost like the father figure

1213
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 3: that kind of you know, put you in line without

1214
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: you mentally knowing it. But you know, once you got

1215
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 3: to know him, you knew he was a big teddy

1216
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 3: bear overall. But he was just always he was never

1217
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 3: going to tell you something that either wasn't right or

1218
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 3: something that was bullshit. That just was not the guy.

1219
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: You know, if someone tried to, you know, say hey,

1220
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: well you know I need you to do this or

1221
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 3: you know in the business with it, like yeah, we

1222
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 3: need you to get your artists to do he was

1223
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 3: never that guy like I'm not getting my artist to

1224
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 3: do anything. Like I'm going to tell them what it

1225
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 3: is and then we're going to talk about it. He

1226
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 3: was that guy. So he taught us early on the

1227
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 3: ins and out of that whole business thing. So, like

1228
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 3: Sean said, you know he was. He was more than

1229
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 3: a father. He was he was everything we could have

1230
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 3: possibly asked for.

1231
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, what year was it when you passed? I

1232
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 9: remember seeing y'all. This was I mean god, I was

1233
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 9: in like seventh grade. Y'all came to Greensboro colisee him

1234
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 9: and I want to say it was the boy White Superfest,

1235
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 9: but I remember it was.

1236
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 6: It was y'all, Jo Desy and Hammer was the was

1237
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 6: the headliner.

1238
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was ninety.

1239
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, like ninety two. Yeah, that was around the year

1240
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 6: when he passed.

1241
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: Yes, well, yeah it was ninety two. Yeah, the Hammer Tour.

1242
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 5: Yea, it was in Chicago.

1243
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 8: We just finished playing the rosemand Horizon No and and

1244
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 8: and what was funny is we all kind of like, uh,

1245
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 8: kind of key in on this particular moment the night

1246
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 8: that he passed away that got murdered. Kyler was a

1247
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 8: very confident dude. Every move that he made, everything that

1248
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 8: you know, he wanted us to do, he said it

1249
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 8: with with calculated you know what I'm saying, We're gonna

1250
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 8: do this, We're gonna do that, We're gonna do this.

1251
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 8: This was the first night I don't know that we

1252
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 8: ever seeing Kyl say where y'all what hotel y'all want

1253
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:57,439
Speaker 8: to stay?

1254
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 5: I don't know which hotel.

1255
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, he came to us with the promoter's idea.

1256
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: I guess the promoter wanted us to stay. You know, promoters,

1257
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 3: they got a cheaper hotel over where you know all

1258
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 3: the crew is staying. So I want to move the guys.

1259
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: And like Sean said, Kyleel was never never indecisive. He

1260
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 3: was always well, just where they're going, you're doing this?

1261
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 3: This where they're going? Because I said so, and he

1262
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 3: came to us and a dress for him. It's like,

1263
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:27,919
Speaker 3: you know, the promoter, you know, save him some money

1264
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 3: if you guys did this so forth and so on.

1265
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: You know, I don't, I don't really know what I mean.

1266
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm kind of on the fence. What do y'all want

1267
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: to do? And we were like, I mean, carry us

1268
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: up to you whatever. You know what I'm saying, We

1269
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,400
Speaker 3: don't really whatever you want to do. And he picked

1270
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: the hotel and unfortunately that was the hotel where guys

1271
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 3: came in. And you know, I don't like to talk

1272
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 3: about it, so.

1273
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 1: About sharing that, I'm sorry. I do have to ask though,

1274
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: because I know that singing is I always see singing

1275
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: as an intimate thing, and I know that you guys

1276
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: are like brothers. You know, when Tarika and I are

1277
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: angry with each other, like the Root show can still happen,

1278
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, because we're not facing each other. But how

1279
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: do you guys handle if if there's friction between y'all

1280
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 1: and you still have to do the intimate act of

1281
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: singing with each other and harmonizing.

1282
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 2: We do it because actually, the funny thing is is

1283
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 2: that music it actually.

1284
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 7: Supersedes everything, you know what I mean, what we do

1285
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 7: together is magic, and it's like, you know, literally, you know,

1286
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 7: sometimes I literally listen to how we create and figure

1287
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 7: out certain parts without even thinking about it, you know

1288
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.

1289
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: So when we're on stage, we all know that we

1290
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: have a job to do, for one but at the same.

1291
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 7: Time, we also know that this person next to me

1292
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 7: is going to do that job better than anybody that

1293
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 7: I could ever, you know what I'm saying. So the

1294
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 7: respect level is really like, I know what he's here

1295
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 7: to do, I know what Sean head. I could be

1296
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 7: pissed off and me mad at me, but we know

1297
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 7: what we gotta do because our integrity is involved.

1298
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying it.

1299
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: Singing, singing your version of don't go to bed mad, so.

1300
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 2: Almost again, because.

1301
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 7: If we are having issues, most of the time, after

1302
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 7: we finished performing, somebody will come to somebody's room, somebody

1303
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 7: will say something or something. It will always it takes

1304
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 7: away everything because of what we just did on stage,

1305
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 7: that right there together is greater than the anger that.

1306
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: We have, you know for each other.

1307
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: Was it always like that?

1308
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean we we have fish fights and

1309
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 3: then go back there and go out on stage and rock. Literally,

1310
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 3: I mean it's just I mean again, we grew up

1311
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 3: as brothers literally, like I have three brothers. I have

1312
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: my brother and then I have my brothers. I mean,

1313
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 3: we don't know anything else. I mean I always say that.

1314
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 3: You know, when we started earlier talking about how much

1315
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 3: time we've been together, we've been together longer than any

1316
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: of us have been together with any family member. That

1317
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 3: even our mothers like you, spend more time with each

1318
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: other than our own parents, like any there's not one

1319
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 3: family member in any of our families that we have

1320
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: spent more time around than each other.

1321
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 7: So I mean right there, like, I mean, it's really that.

1322
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 7: It answers itself. You know what I'm saying, like, that's

1323
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 7: what That's what family do?

1324
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: You know?

1325
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 7: Of course, you know you go through things, you like argue,

1326
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 7: but at the end of the day, you know we're

1327
01:08:54,920 --> 01:09:00,240
Speaker 7: still family and we do something together better than any body,

1328
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 7: I believe, And.

1329
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: We're the only one that can say what we said

1330
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 3: about each other. And you can't call my brother that

1331
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: I can say it.

1332
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 5: You can't say it.

1333
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 3: It's that facts.

1334
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 9: Because we were getting into the two album, we're end

1335
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 9: of the role. Before we got there, I wanted to

1336
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 9: go back a little bit. So one of my boys

1337
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 9: men hot Takes. I have several uh as a as

1338
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 9: a longtime fan. My favorite album for y'all Cooliu Harmony.

1339
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 9: I love Coolie Harmony. Outside of COOLi Out Harmony. I

1340
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 9: always thought that some of the best just writing, songwriting, vocal,

1341
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 9: everything was on Christmas Interpretations.

1342
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 6: I fucking love that album. Man, like y'all niggas was

1343
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 6: in y'all bag on that ship.

1344
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 3: We had to fight, We had to fight for that well.

1345
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: The label wanted, you know, a typical Jackson five, you know,

1346
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,599
Speaker 3: you know, ho Santa Claus Christmas record, and we weren't

1347
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 3: going to do that, like, we didn't want to fall

1348
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: into that platform, whether the whole whole hole and jingle bells.

1349
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 3: So we fought to try to do an original Christmas

1350
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 3: record and we didn't have any songs again, so we

1351
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 3: all sat around and said, all right, well here, Sean,

1352
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 3: you do too, Why you do too? I'm gonna do too, Mike,

1353
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 3: you do too. And then we we we we said, okay,

1354
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 3: well since we did, you know, since we rock out

1355
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 3: with the night, because that's our boy, you know, we'll

1356
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 3: have him come in and he will have him produce

1357
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:27,240
Speaker 3: it with us, and if he's got a song or too,

1358
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,640
Speaker 3: will throw it on and we'll rock out like that.

1359
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 3: Everybody just wrote two songs and we just went for it.

1360
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 2: Hyeah nah.

1361
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 9: I love that because it was, you know, like hearing

1362
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 9: you say you didn't want to do just a typical,

1363
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 9: you know, jingle bells, you know kind of record. But

1364
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 9: all the songs, I mean, they were just great songs

1365
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,000
Speaker 9: that could have been They could have worked year round,

1366
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 9: like they weren't relegated.

1367
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 6: Like I would listen to that album in March, you

1368
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 6: know what I mean?

1369
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 5: Like that was you know what that that that's the

1370
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:53,600
Speaker 5: cop I appreciate that find you.

1371
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,600
Speaker 8: But you know, going back to the question that you

1372
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 8: you said like a little while ago, as parts things

1373
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 8: that you have written, I don't think I'm credit just

1374
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,480
Speaker 8: more or less. I wish that there was more emphasis

1375
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 8: applied on me and my guys h ability to write music,

1376
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 8: because we tried our best to even even they you know,

1377
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 8: we tried to be the next La and face of

1378
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 8: jam and Lewis or something like that.

1379
01:11:19,240 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 5: Right, we felt like that that was like a natural

1380
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 5: progression for us to kind of go into that realm.

1381
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 8: And you know, I'm speaking of all of us, Wan

1382
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 8: Ye got a crazy pan like you know what I mean,

1383
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 8: Like we've we've all written records.

1384
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 2: For us and for other people.

1385
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, that that that, you know, I wish for my

1386
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 8: guys that we were I guess more. I guess that

1387
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:48,960
Speaker 8: that was more emphasized on. But because Boys to Men

1388
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:52,600
Speaker 8: was such a phenomenon and it was such a juggernaut

1389
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 8: in itself, it seemed like all of our folks, honestly,

1390
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,720
Speaker 8: to look at looking at it in retrospect, a lot

1391
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 8: of people, even down to Gerald, who's just like Wanye said,

1392
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 8: they didn't know what to do with us.

1393
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 5: So when we were successful, they were like, what.

1394
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 3: The fuck is this right?

1395
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 8: You understand what I'm saying, Like everybody was kind of like, well,

1396
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:17,600
Speaker 8: how long is this candle gonna bark? So everybody's mentality

1397
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 8: wasn't hey, let's move these gentlemen forward to the next stage.

1398
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 8: As I looked back at all the events that's happened

1399
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 8: to us and the people that came in and out

1400
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:28,640
Speaker 8: of our lives, it almost felt.

1401
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:32,640
Speaker 5: Like, let's get this money now because we don't we

1402
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 5: don't know how long.

1403
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 8: This train is gonna lie. So a lot of our

1404
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 8: folks had that mentality. They didn't they didn't look beyond

1405
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 8: the fact that Yo Nate was a great songwriter. Yo

1406
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 8: Wan could have been a solo artist, you know, Sean

1407
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 8: could have, Mike could have had you know what I'm saying, Like,

1408
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 8: they didn't go.

1409
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 5: That far with us.

1410
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,600
Speaker 8: They just said, Okay, they're a moment, let's snatch and

1411
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 8: grab and then let's move on to the next thing.

1412
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 5: And the case in point of that is when during

1413
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 5: the Evolution album.

1414
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 8: When we came out with the Evolution album, this was

1415
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 8: around the time the boy the boy Band things started

1416
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:12,440
Speaker 8: uh to come up. So you felt from our standpoint,

1417
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 8: you actually felt the shift of people's priorities going from

1418
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:23,879
Speaker 8: us to them, like like literally like our literal budget

1419
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:30,240
Speaker 8: in Motown was literally taken from us and given to

1420
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 8: ninety eight degrees.

1421
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:37,600
Speaker 3: Wow, wow, Like it's real, like they they like.

1422
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 5: These these things happened, and it was it was it

1423
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 5: was almost like they they were done, like everybody was

1424
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 5: done with us.

1425
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 11: Almost mind boggling that they couldn't just add singer songwriter

1426
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 11: to any time y'all names were sick because really thinking

1427
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 11: about that, what.

1428
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 3: Happened when we did the first record, Like we said,

1429
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: we had records that were ours. They didn't know what

1430
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 3: to do with it. So it was almost like, well,

1431
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 3: we don't know if this record's gonna do well. Let's

1432
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,720
Speaker 3: let the guys do whatever they're gonna do and we'll

1433
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 3: see if the project does well. Project sold twelve million records,

1434
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 3: So at that point the label was like, Okay, so

1435
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 3: we need to make it bigger. Let's who else can

1436
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: we get on this record. Now here's the caveat that

1437
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: people tend to forget. The original Koolie High Army album

1438
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 3: did not have Endo the Road on it. It wasn't

1439
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 3: part of the original album. That song was done for

1440
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 3: the soundtrack for the Eddie Murphy Boomerang after Koulil Harmony

1441
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: was already out. So what if you notice the original

1442
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,640
Speaker 3: Koliail Harmony album had us with the shirting coats on

1443
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 3: the canes and the little squares around it. I think

1444
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 3: that original album probably might have gotten to about four

1445
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 3: and a half five million records when they did the

1446
01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 3: boomerang deal. They did the deal to Okay, well they

1447
01:14:54,280 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 3: can use on the soundtrack. We'll have the guys perform

1448
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: the song. They'll perform it, we'll put it on that

1449
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 3: set the record, and then we'll also have to put

1450
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 3: it on we'll have the rights. Motown took to put

1451
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: it somewhere else. So they repackaged the Koolier Harmony album

1452
01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 3: because they saw the new color and have a pop start.

1453
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 3: We had a pop audience, so they said, okay, well

1454
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 3: let's get the bright color. The bow Ties, throw this

1455
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 3: song on air, re released this as a single off

1456
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 3: that album, and then that album goes to twelve million.

1457
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 3: So now their mine is like, okay, well, now we

1458
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 3: need those kind of songs and those kind of songwriters,

1459
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 3: not koli Our Harmony songs, but those kinds so then

1460
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 3: they went to Jimmy and Terry, they went to Babyface,

1461
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 3: and as we were trying to grow as artists, like

1462
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 3: artists always say hey, well we wrote some of those

1463
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 3: songs on the one that did five six, can we

1464
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 3: write Oh yeah, well you could write some stuff, but

1465
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 3: right now we need these guys. So, you know, us

1466
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 3: taking the approach of just let's focus on making sure

1467
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 3: we sing the right notes to do what we gotta do,

1468
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 3: we didn't hammer home right away with trying to be

1469
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 3: on top of it. We got pushed away to the

1470
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 3: point where it was like, okay, well bring Dallas Austin

1471
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 3: back because he's a producer. Artists and producers back then

1472
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 3: they wouldn't let get They didn't. You know, the producer

1473
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 3: was always more important than the artists because the producer

1474
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 3: could produce fifteen to thirty records home on fifteen twenty

1475
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 3: artists that the label had. The artist is just one entity,

1476
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 3: so it was always more important for labels to make

1477
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:20,080
Speaker 3: allegiances with producers and songwriters, keeping us from becoming super

1478
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 3: producers and songwriters took the power away from us to

1479
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 3: just be singers. So they wrapped that land Face and

1480
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 3: everybody around it and not not knockative that it didn't

1481
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 3: do well, but it did stifle what Sean was talking

1482
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 3: about our ability to grow as songwriters. And they kind

1483
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 3: of threw us a bone like, well, here go go

1484
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 3: hang out with you know, Dallas's beat producers, Tim and

1485
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 3: Bob and see what you come up with. So we

1486
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 3: started writing some songs with them, which we happened to

1487
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 3: get on two albums, and one of them we had

1488
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 3: to tell them that Dallas wrote in order to get

1489
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 3: it on the record because they wouldn't put it.

1490
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:52,640
Speaker 6: On that.

1491
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 5: Exactly wows.

1492
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 3: No, no, it wasn't. But we had to lie to

1493
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 3: the record label and tell them that Dallas Austin wrote

1494
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 3: that song and produced it because they weren't gonna put

1495
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: it on the album. Wow.

1496
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 9: And my favorite songs on that album were the ones

1497
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 9: that y'all did like vibing.

1498
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 3: But to the record labels point as they were trying

1499
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 3: to And and then again I understand it now because

1500
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 3: when you really look at it, we can all talk

1501
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 3: about those records, but if you went to Istanbul, they're

1502
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 3: talking about in the road, they're talking about all make

1503
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 3: love to you. They're not talking about please don't go

1504
01:17:31,479 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 3: they're not talking, you know what I'm saying, So I

1505
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:36,760
Speaker 3: understand what they were trying to do. But if it

1506
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 3: was explained to us a little bit more back then

1507
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 3: as we were going through, we would understand it other

1508
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: than people feeling other than us feeling like artists, like, ah, well,

1509
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 3: we're gonna get the big names and y'all just go

1510
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: take the ride.

1511
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 8: You know, here's the irony of all of the irony

1512
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 8: of all of that name is the fact that, yes,

1513
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 8: those guys wrote those songs and things that nature. And

1514
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 8: this is no disrespect because there are records, so I

1515
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 8: can't disrespect my all songs, but the biggest one was

1516
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 8: written by us, right, so so you know, despite what

1517
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:14,719
Speaker 8: they thought, despite what they might have thought, we were.

1518
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 5: Or what we needed or what we was always here.

1519
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 5: It was always with us.

1520
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 8: But they never wanted to see that, so they tried

1521
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:31,120
Speaker 8: to literally manipulate the situation to even make us think that, yo.

1522
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 5: We y'all need them. And and it wasn't like it

1523
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 5: wasn't a disrespect.

1524
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 8: It's not a disrespect because we Uncle, Terry, Jimmy, Jeff

1525
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 8: there are we love them, you understand, with all of

1526
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 8: all our.

1527
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, we love Babyface with all

1528
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 5: of our hearts.

1529
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,800
Speaker 8: So we understand that this was all a business move,

1530
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 8: but at the same time one benefited a little bit

1531
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:57,479
Speaker 8: more than the other from that standpoint, And and me

1532
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 8: being forty eight years oh, I'm under and and now

1533
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:05,360
Speaker 8: that life is all about relationships, Life is about growth,

1534
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,839
Speaker 8: Life is all about being able to develop and go from.

1535
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 5: This point to that point, and we all need the.

1536
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 3: Help to do it.

1537
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 8: There's not anybody alive that has not become successful without

1538
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 8: some sort of leg up by somebody that was in

1539
01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 8: a better position than them. So when I look back

1540
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 8: at this, this was by design. They wanted us to

1541
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 8: be here, stay here, and then they.

1542
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,479
Speaker 3: Want us to sing. That's all they wanted for them.

1543
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 3: They didn't want us to dabble in too much. And

1544
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 3: then it's been said a couple of times throughout. And

1545
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 3: what made it even tougher was that even when we

1546
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 3: tried to write and produce on somebody else, the name

1547
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 3: of the group was so overshadowing that all people wanted

1548
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 3: was I just want to hear y'all singing. Y'all do something.

1549
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 3: I don't really want NAT's record, or vice versa. And

1550
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: not that I don't like it, but I like this better.

1551
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 3: And that's you know, it's a double ed sword. The

1552
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,240
Speaker 3: success is great, but you you, at some at that

1553
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 3: point in our career we had to either live with

1554
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,639
Speaker 3: one or the other. We weren't going to be able

1555
01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: to get hot.

1556
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 13: When it comes to the technical aspect of the creating

1557
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 13: of a song, is it clear who's going to sing

1558
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,000
Speaker 13: what part? Because to me, like the three of you

1559
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 13: have very similar voices and voice rangers. I know there

1560
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 13: are different you know, uh strong suits for each of you.

1561
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,400
Speaker 13: But like when you're when you're writing a song and

1562
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 13: you're creating it, it's it clear who's going to sing

1563
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 13: what part. It's like it's like, Nate, you're gonna sing

1564
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 13: the melody, Sean, You're gonna sing.

1565
01:20:24,040 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 5: The Writing for my group is probably the easiest thing in.

1566
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:33,240
Speaker 14: The world because you can literally know, you know exactly

1567
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,760
Speaker 14: who does what that like you you don't even got

1568
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 14: to like question or have a you know, tribunal about

1569
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 14: who's going to sing this verse or that verse or whatever.

1570
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 8: You know, who's going to sing it, who's going to

1571
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 8: send it home? And then the harmonies is just something

1572
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 8: that most people don't know how we do it, so.

1573
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 3: We just do that like that.

1574
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: But but I want to know silent night, Silent night

1575
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 1: is that's how so here you guys the craft that

1576
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 1: here's the deal is that everybody has their own style

1577
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: with this.

1578
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 3: The reason why I think that a lot of a

1579
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,640
Speaker 3: lot of it seems more difficult than it is a

1580
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 3: lot of producers, I, Jimmy, Jame, Terry faces like working

1581
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:17,600
Speaker 3: with us because and this is not you know, not

1582
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 3: trying to blow smoke in any way. But honestly, there's

1583
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:25,799
Speaker 3: not many songs that we can not sing because vocally

1584
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 3: we cover the gamut from here to here. Whether it's

1585
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: one guy, two guys, or whatever, we cover the whole spectrum.

1586
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:38,760
Speaker 3: We're gonna sing every single You can't, you can't out

1587
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:39,240
Speaker 3: key us.

1588
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1589
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 3: You can't. Oh that's the wrong key. You can't. You

1590
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 3: can't do that with us because vocally we just it's

1591
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,920
Speaker 3: it's all over the place. So with that being said,

1592
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,599
Speaker 3: like Shawn said, it's easy to write for us because

1593
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 3: throw it against the wall. And to answer your second question,

1594
01:21:57,160 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 3: because we grew up in a coral environment, we automatically

1595
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 3: know where the parts fall. But even after that, what

1596
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 3: made boys men different from just people singing chorl is

1597
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 3: we moved out of that realm a little bit. So

1598
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 3: if Win's background part is the first songs background part

1599
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,160
Speaker 3: is a second tenor, he'll start singing it and eventually

1600
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 3: somewhere he'll end up on an alto second alto part,

1601
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 3: and most people will say, well, he went out of

1602
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 3: his range. He's got to stay there. He doesn't have

1603
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 3: to because when he's singing that, Wan's already singing where

1604
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 3: he left the spots open, right, and I'm already hearing

1605
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: the spots that they both left open. So it's just

1606
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 3: a mental to jump down place. It's like, I'm gonna

1607
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 3: make it this simple. You ever have Connect four, You

1608
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 3: know how when you drop the thing down and go

1609
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 3: cock cook cook, cook cook, That's pretty much what it is.

1610
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 3: Wherever that lands, you know when you drop the next

1611
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 3: one where it's got to go to, you just know

1612
01:22:58,960 --> 01:22:59,640
Speaker 3: where it's got to go.

1613
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 7: And I'll be totally honest. And that's what I was

1614
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 7: talking about earlier, is the magic. You know, the crazy

1615
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 7: thing is is Okay, let's just say Sean's in the

1616
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 7: vocal booth and I'm out in the lobby and Sean

1617
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 7: sings his.

1618
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: Note blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. He

1619
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: sings his note.

1620
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 7: When I come in and hear the note that Sean's doing,

1621
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 7: I automatically know where I'm supposed to go.

1622
01:23:23,960 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 2: And it's not even a song that I ever heard before.

1623
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

1624
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,599
Speaker 7: So then I'll go in and I'll do my part,

1625
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 7: and then I'll leave, then natle come in, and by

1626
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 7: the time we finished it, it has turned into this place.

1627
01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be in sequential order. One

1628
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 3: could start, then I'll come in second, then Shawn will

1629
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,840
Speaker 3: come in, or I'll start, or vice versa. It's just

1630
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: it's just a natural and you know, ability to just

1631
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: feel what each guy the idea for that song is

1632
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 3: gonna be. I mean it, And it hasn't even haven't

1633
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 3: even gotten more difficult with three people because I was

1634
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 3: doing both parts anyway, So it's just now it's just rapid.

1635
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,280
Speaker 3: It's just it's quicker actually.

1636
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 13: And all actually, So the intention always to sound like

1637
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 13: a choral group, or was the intention to sound like

1638
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,800
Speaker 13: I mean, look, I'm a white kid from Long Island.

1639
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 13: I listened to voice to men religiously as forever and

1640
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 13: I as from Africa this time, no fuck you.

1641
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: But like, but.

1642
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 13: What I'm fascinating by it is like I always felt

1643
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 13: like you guys were four guys at the time, but

1644
01:24:32,160 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 13: you sounded like about twenty and like, I don't know,

1645
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 13: I don't think that there was like ultimate stacking.

1646
01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,599
Speaker 1: It was just like the the notes that you pill

1647
01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: and the way that you did it.

1648
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 13: And I think what what I'm getting a Nate is

1649
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,880
Speaker 13: like what you said is like is when you would

1650
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 13: get to someplace, you would hand it off to one

1651
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 13: and Salent.

1652
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 3: Night, Silent Night is the perfect example. And now I'm

1653
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: grabbing me or mentioned because that's not normal, because because

1654
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 3: we because we we what it is is that we

1655
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,280
Speaker 3: we sang some of it something like that in high school, right,

1656
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: But what we did was we we added R and

1657
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 3: B to it when we when we took it for

1658
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 3: our own. And if you notice there are some chords

1659
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: where literally, I mean you may have a second, a

1660
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 3: third or seventh, it sounds like it's twelve people, but

1661
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 3: it's not. And especially when you get to that that

1662
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 3: quarter at the end, the that that that real big strong,

1663
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 3: it sounds like it's fifteen people, but it's just the

1664
01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 3: notes that we chose and with Mike underneath of it,

1665
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: which a lot of people never really had. You could

1666
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 3: sing three notes and he would only be a fourth away,

1667
01:25:37,720 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 3: but it would just make it sound like it's thirteen people.

1668
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 13: But like was was was the was the intention always

1669
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,559
Speaker 13: like that cluster harmonies would be the thing I mean,

1670
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,240
Speaker 13: because like the gospel gospel for the record is like

1671
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:51,679
Speaker 13: it's more the qurt I'm getting real nerdy the course

1672
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:54,559
Speaker 13: out in gospel, right, it's like it's like rude fifth.

1673
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 3: Right, like third above that.

1674
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 1: Right, you guys, we intentionally did you don't want nobody

1675
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: follow you and car Yeah, no, no, you're right right

1676
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: like that.

1677
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 8: We intentionally did that because one those progressions are boring

1678
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 8: to us, Like they're boring, you know what I mean,

1679
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:17,640
Speaker 8: you know, like.

1680
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 5: To do one, three, five, you know what I'm saying.

1681
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 8: It's like, okay, we do that, but there's so many

1682
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 8: sweet spots in the seventh and then the thirteenth and

1683
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,640
Speaker 8: like in between and all those other you know, uh

1684
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 8: sustained you know, chords and harmonies and stuff like that.

1685
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 8: So those sus chords and all that, So it so

1686
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 8: to be able to do that was always the goal.

1687
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 8: I mean, we grew up on Take six and the

1688
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,080
Speaker 8: carpenters and and all those guys who did all of

1689
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 8: that stuff.

1690
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 5: So that's what we grew up listening to, even before

1691
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 5: we met each other.

1692
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: Okay, so I was gonna ask because I didn't ask earlier.

1693
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 3: I know that.

1694
01:26:56,439 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: You know, Take six is an influence, but the intricate

1695
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 1: level of of how you guys do your harmonies this

1696
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: is Yeah, it's beyond that. Like was their influence from

1697
01:27:09,320 --> 01:27:13,439
Speaker 1: Brian Wilson, like, who are your whore harmony gods?

1698
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 3: Here's that I'm gonna tell you. Take six honestly is

1699
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 3: the key. But the difference is when, like I said,

1700
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 3: when you got six guys and they're moving pretty tight,

1701
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 3: there's not There's not a whole lot of space for

1702
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 3: a guy to sing a soprano party and end up

1703
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 3: all the way down at the baritone because there's six

1704
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 3: guys in there. But what we did was we tonally

1705
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 3: we would listen to them because we knew we didn't

1706
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 3: have six parts. We found the parts that made it

1707
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:44,439
Speaker 3: sound just like them without all six. Yeah, even if

1708
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 3: you had to go from the top to the bottom,

1709
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 3: just make that chord sound like their chord. Yeah, that's

1710
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 3: what we would do. So we would jump all over

1711
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 3: the place, we move right, so.

1712
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 7: That they actually created those subscords in the middle and

1713
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,679
Speaker 7: then spread out to become something else.

1714
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 1: So as three some as a threesome, do you guys

1715
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:06,560
Speaker 1: have the ability to recreate so much to say no,

1716
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:07,719
Speaker 1: we're just three people?

1717
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 3: No?

1718
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 8: But you know what, that's okay, because when you're listening

1719
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:14,000
Speaker 8: to an album, you just want to capture the moment.

1720
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:16,719
Speaker 8: You want to create the space, you want to create

1721
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:20,960
Speaker 8: the pain, and and that's all that matters. Like it's

1722
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 8: three of us. But if we feel six parts, we're

1723
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 8: gonna sing those six parts, you know what I'm saying,

1724
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 8: because that's needed.

1725
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 3: But I will say, but I will say, there are

1726
01:28:30,600 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 3: things that can sound that strong with three people. And

1727
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 3: I use I use our Star Spangled banner as an example. Right,

1728
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 3: we used to sing that with four people. But again,

1729
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,439
Speaker 3: now that Mike's not here, we just took that other

1730
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Speaker 3: leg and kind of folded it under. Yeah, put put

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01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 3: it put. We we took the meat of what we

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01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 3: needed to make it sonically sound the same way people

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01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 3: just jump in different spots to make it sonically sound

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01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: the same way. It's just not for people, and the

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01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 3: average ear is not going to hear when that one

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01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 3: note is not. When you got a triad and it's

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01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 3: a triad of a maybe a fifth or third and

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01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 3: a seventh, you're not worried about what the other note

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01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 3: was because it was probably unison with any other group anyway,

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01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:21,000
Speaker 3: You're only focusing on that. So we make sure we

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01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:23,640
Speaker 3: give you that, and then we'll peel one off to

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01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 3: where it feels like it's open, and then we'll bring

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01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 3: them back in. So it's ways to twist it. Like

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01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: Sean said, Obviously, records give us a lot more flexibility,

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01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 3: but if we have to narrow it down, that's normally

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01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:35,760
Speaker 3: how we'll do it.

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Speaker 1: So what happens if a member has laryngitis.

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Speaker 5: Or which carts that's happened?

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01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how long does it take you to just

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01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: even when Mike had to leave the group, how how

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01:29:50,200 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: much work and adjustment did you have to do to

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01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: figure out how to how to cover what was missing.

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01:29:58,720 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 8: It's literally us being backstage or somewhere and just arranging

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01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 8: it mentally, preparing ourselves because you know when you're when

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01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 8: you're when you're doing someone else's part, you're doing someone

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01:30:11,240 --> 01:30:16,040
Speaker 8: else's character. That that a lot of people understand that, Yo,

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01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 8: that's Yanye sing. So there's no way I'm gonna sing

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01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 8: like Kuan Ye so because he puts a stamp on

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01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 8: everything that he sings, so there has to be a

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01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 8: way to get around it.

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01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,600
Speaker 5: So you just make a way around it.

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01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 8: And you know, obviously it's not gonna sound like Kanye,

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01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 8: but we try our best for us not to suck.

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01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 5: And and and and if if it doesn't suck, then

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01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 5: that's good enough.

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01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,600
Speaker 8: And and honestly, we have the type of fans and

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01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 8: people that we can be on stage to say, yo,

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01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 8: man wayu's got langitis.

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01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 5: He's here, he's here, Guys, he's here. He's gonna sing

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01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:56,680
Speaker 5: his best for you.

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01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 3: And people know what.

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01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 8: They hear it, they see it. They hate se am struggling,

1773
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 8: or they see me struggling or whatever. We'll sing their

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01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 8: parts and they sing our sing our parts too. So

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01:31:09,160 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 8: we have that type of like people have seen us

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01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 8: enough to know that.

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01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 5: We can sing.

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01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:17,479
Speaker 8: That's never been a doubt or question. So when somebody

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01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 8: has an off day, we just have an off day,

1780
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 8: and our people understand it. And we just go about

1781
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,759
Speaker 8: the show and we do it and our people.

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01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 3: Ride with us.

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01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Sorry to do it to you, but

1784
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to cut it short right now,

1785
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 1: or trust me, we'll be back next week with more

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01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:43,599
Speaker 1: talking with Nate, Sean and Wan Ye Boys to men,

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01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme. All right, come next time, see.

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01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: Yo, what's up? It's a sponte.

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01:31:54,040 --> 01:31:56,240
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1790
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:58,400
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01:31:58,439 --> 01:31:59,720
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