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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up, Drake Park Bam, It's me Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: Straight Fire or Tuesday, April twenty ninth. What an awesome

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Speaker 2: night of basketball. Well we got one good game, right.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we will talk a little hoops here to start

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Speaker 2: the pod, but we have a great guest, Tom Pelasorrow

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Speaker 2: NFL Network. He was all over the Shador Sanders stuff

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Speaker 2: all weekend. Let's just say you're gonna be surprised by

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Speaker 2: some of his takes on the quarterbacks in this draft.

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Speaker 2: He caught me off guard with the Tyler Shook stuff.

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Speaker 2: I was mocking him. I feel bad for saying the

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Speaker 2: stuff you're about to hear on the New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 2: Now backup or thirstring whatever you quarterback. I'm still a

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Speaker 2: little stunned by the Shadoor stuff. We'll see what happens

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Speaker 2: with Sehan Watson. A lot of momentum that he's just

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Speaker 2: gonna get cut out right and they're gonna take the

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Speaker 2: cap hit and this will be like a gap year,

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Speaker 2: if you will, for the Browns where they test drive

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Speaker 2: all these quarterbacks and then probably back into arch Banning

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Speaker 2: in what would be a pretty glorious tank job. Anyways,

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Speaker 2: before we get the tom quickly, let me talk about

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Speaker 2: Golden State Warriors war oh nine, Rockets won oh six

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Speaker 2: in what I thought was a pretty phenomenal game. It's

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Speaker 2: interesting the West has had three really good series and

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Speaker 2: then that Okay, see Memphis trash right, Lakers Wolves is

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Speaker 2: coin flip on three of the games basically now two

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Speaker 2: of the games, Warriors Rockets coin flip on at least

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Speaker 2: two of the four games, and Nuggets Clippers literally has

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Speaker 2: been three coin flips, like one possession games with ten

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Speaker 2: seconds left, you know, wild stuff. So I don't want

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Speaker 2: to go too overboard on my NBA physicality stuff. If

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Speaker 2: you were listening to The Herd Monday, Colhurt and I

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Speaker 2: in a rare moment of back and forth like kind

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Speaker 2: of disagreeing pretty vehemently. He loves this new NBA physicality. Okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: I like watching some of the physicality obviously, some where

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Speaker 2: guys are getting each other's faces. Yeah, I like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't like forty eight hours grabbing, tugging, pushing, pulling, fighting, tripping.

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Speaker 2: I just don't like that. It's not visually appealing when

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, we cait We me and my

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Speaker 2: brother we like to think we invented this game in

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Speaker 2: our basement growing up. We had like, you know, like

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Speaker 2: one of those nineteen eighties basements where we had like

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Speaker 2: wall if they got drywall. So we got like this

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Speaker 2: wood paneling cheap material, and we put up one of

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Speaker 2: those nerf hoops, and then we had a nerf hoop

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Speaker 2: on like the other end of the room, and it

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Speaker 2: was basically like full court body check basketball. That's what

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Speaker 2: we called it. Like anything goes. It was basically football

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Speaker 2: with a basket. We played with a nerf ball and

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Speaker 2: it was just so fun. Just body check basketball. That's

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Speaker 2: what it looks like the NBA is devolving into. So

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Speaker 2: you had Draymond Green versus Tarry Easan, Draymond just losing

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Speaker 2: his mind. You had Draymond Green for stilln Brooks. But

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Speaker 2: Brooks did a stupid thing at Curry. But Curry did

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Speaker 2: ignite it by saying, that's two fouls on you, So

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Speaker 2: they don't like it, and then Jimmy Butler's talking to

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Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks. It looked like he was basically saying you

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Speaker 2: better stfu or I'm gonna whoop your ass like Butler's

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Speaker 2: saying it. And Dylan Brooks is like so surprised. He's

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Speaker 2: wide eyed and like laughing, but he's laughing it off

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Speaker 2: because he's like, oh damn. Within like minutes, Jimmy Butler

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Speaker 2: fowls Brooks pretty hard on a breakaway. I'm surprised it

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Speaker 2: wasn't an ejection. I mean, he clobbered Brooks and nobody's

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Speaker 2: gonna look out for Brooks because he's such a goon.

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Speaker 2: But like again, you got like three of these battles,

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Speaker 2: you have Draymond Green woofing the whole game. Eventually that's

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Speaker 2: gonna escalate and it's gonna get ugly, and the league,

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna have a mallet at the palace.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you some of these teams are angry.

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Speaker 2: The short Pistons are down three to one. They're pissed.

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Speaker 2: The Rockets are down three to one, they're pissed. The

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Speaker 2: of those teams are getting roughed up. Well, actually, the

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Speaker 2: I can't believe they benched Jalen Green. Guys, did you

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Speaker 2: running offense. He was jacking terrible shots. I think he

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Speaker 2: in the third quarter eighteen to one, Warriors run, like

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Speaker 2: Jalen Green got benched. He was not good last night.

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Speaker 2: I get it now. I know what you're saying. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: had a great game, thirty one and ten. He did

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Speaker 2: miss the final shot. You know, I didn't love drawing

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Speaker 2: up a play to go with like one of the

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Speaker 2: best defensive players of the league, Seene in fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: I didn't love that. I would have put Green back in,

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Speaker 2: but nevertheless, so Sengun didn't make it, and then two

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Speaker 2: more free throws and they went by three. Fred van

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Speaker 2: Vliet hit eight threes, so you're not pulling him off

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Speaker 2: the court. Aman Thompson is just everywhere. Does everything love

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Speaker 2: him again. We'll get to Yani's trades eventually one day.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that i'd include on Men Thompson in

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Speaker 2: a trade for Giannis. I just think his upside is ridiculous. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And Giannis is, you know, turning thirty one soon and

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Speaker 2: then Dylan Brooks gooning it up. But like Steven Adams

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Speaker 2: chess match stuff that I love. Okay, So Steven Adams,

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Speaker 2: they're going two bigs Adams and she goon inside and

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Speaker 2: the Warriors are struggling. Rockets are dominating, eating inside.

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Speaker 2: Interior points in the paint by like twenty five. They're

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Speaker 3: It was working.

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Speaker 2: So what does Steve Kerr do? Hack a shack? He

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Speaker 2: the Rockets fearful pulled Adams. He only shot one of

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Speaker 2: two free throws. The Rockets did miss twelve free throws.

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Speaker 2: That was a killer. You can't miss twelve free throws.

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Speaker 2: Come on, sixty one percent, give me a break. So

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Speaker 2: they have to pull Adams because of Kerr's smart move

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Speaker 2: genius by Steve Curst. So they pull Adams. The interior

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Speaker 2: advantage is gone. Jimmy Butler starts to take over Butler

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Speaker 2: at like fourteen in the fourth but really good game,

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Speaker 2: high level basketball game. Just Adam Silver tell the refs

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Speaker 2: to actually blow the whistle. All right, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: let's get to our guest, NFL Networks, Tom pilosorrow.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: listen live. You know, Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 3: I know what sports fans want, but for.

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Speaker 1: Everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows the

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to straight Fire NFL Insider,

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Speaker 2: NFL Network Star. He's been working his butt off for

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Speaker 2: like four or five months. Tom pelosorrow, Tom, How you doing,

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Speaker 2: Man doing fantastic?

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Speaker 3: It was a great week in Green Bay, Jason. I

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Speaker 3: can't say enough about how the people there did putting

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Speaker 3: together at the draft. I'm always concerned with just like

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Speaker 3: more informed. There were no getting lost in the labyrinth

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Speaker 3: of the of the draft footprint, so it was really impressive.

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Speaker 3: It was a good week. Could have been, you know,

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Speaker 3: could have dealt with all a little of that sideways

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Speaker 2: Sideways rain. Yeah, it seems it seemed like a fun time,

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Speaker 2: but I gotta be honest, your whole twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: getting ready for that. I mean, it's been Listen, we're

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Speaker 2: not here out here digging ditches. We're talking about football.

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Speaker 2: But it's been a bit of a bit of a

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Speaker 3: Would say, yeah, the travel part of it. Everybody's always

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Speaker 3: like after the Super Bowl, they're like, oh, man, aren't

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Speaker 3: the combine, then a week after that is free agency,

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Speaker 3: then like two weeks after that's the owners meeting, and

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Speaker 3: then you're directly into the draft prep. I always it's

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Speaker 3: funny because like every year, over the course of time,

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Speaker 3: like all schedule things, right, it's like every dentist appointment,

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Speaker 3: open up my Google calendar. After the draft, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: I do nothing for nine months.

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Speaker 2: Now we're back, baby, Yeah, we're back. So let me

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Speaker 2: ask you. It's been a rough four months. You've been

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Speaker 2: on the road a lot traveling, and the biggest story

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Speaker 2: out of the draft, and I'm sure some people are

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Speaker 2: sick of it, but Shadoor Sanders and it did propel ratings,

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Speaker 2: to ask, over the last four or five months, did

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Speaker 2: you see any of this coming? I mean fifth round, Tom, I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't see fifth round. I did see and tried to

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Speaker 3: frankly brace people for the fact that there was a

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Speaker 3: decent chance that Shador Sanders was not going to go

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Speaker 3: in the first round. You know, really, by the time

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Speaker 3: the Steelers. Those are the only two teams that really

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Speaker 3: could keep Shador in the first. When he slid out

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Speaker 3: of the first I thought he would go on day two.

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Speaker 3: I was surprised that he did not. I think it's

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Speaker 3: more so Jason you if you rewind and go back,

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Speaker 3: and this happens sometimes where there is a media narrative

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Speaker 3: that's created that maybe is not accurate relative to the

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Speaker 3: you know, there were certainly, you know, some of the

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Speaker 3: foremost draft experts, right mel Kiper is the godfather of this.

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Speaker 3: He's been doing it forever. He had Schador number one

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Speaker 3: all the way on his quarterback list. Our guy Bucky

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Speaker 3: Brooks had Chador number one, and those guys, you know,

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Speaker 3: they watch way more tape than I do. They're entitled

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Speaker 3: to their opinions every year. But I think that he

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Speaker 3: created this idea that this was a two horse race

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Speaker 3: cam Ward is clearly QB one. The real race is

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Speaker 3: go back even further. I had a conversation Friday night,

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Speaker 3: Shador on Saturday in rounds four through seven, And I

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Speaker 3: asked him just like what, like, how is this possible

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Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty four, so over a year before

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Speaker 3: what order these guys even are going in through OTAs

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Speaker 3: and mini camp to kind of figure out, Okay, who's

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Speaker 3: getting a real shot at this job, and how are

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Speaker 3: they going about trying to make as much of an

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Speaker 3: apples to apples comparison as they can.

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Speaker 2: Let me go to the Saints who took Tyler Shuck,

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Speaker 2: the kid from Louisville. That was a stunner. I'm a

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Speaker 2: were you surprised by that? And b like, there's no

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Speaker 2: way he's a better prospect than Schudor. I didn't see

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Speaker 2: anyone have that on their you know, big board or

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Speaker 2: what have you. That was a stunner to me.

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Speaker 3: I was not shocked by it. In fact, I was

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Speaker 3: on a show that afternoon and they asked me, like,

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Speaker 3: what's the wildest rumor that you've heard? And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: I would say it's more than a rumor. But Tyler

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Speaker 3: the Queebi three may not be Shudor Sanders, it might

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Speaker 3: not be Jalen Miilroe who's still in the green room.

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Speaker 3: It's Tyler Shuck. Because I knew that the Saints were

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Speaker 3: really high on Shuck, and they were not the only

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Speaker 3: team I had heard. The Rams were really high on

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Speaker 3: Shuck too, and maybe even somebody would try to trade

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Speaker 3: up and take Shuck at the top of the second round.

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Speaker 3: So the difference with Tyler Shuck and when I talk about,

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Speaker 3: you know, the touch points right that are in the

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Speaker 3: pre draft process, and as much as Shador probably missed

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Speaker 3: opportunities to take advantage of those, Tyler Shuck crushed the

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Speaker 3: pre draft process. Which it's easy to see why. The

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Speaker 3: guy's almost twenty six years old. He was in college

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Speaker 3: for seven years. He was in a bunch of different offenses,

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Speaker 3: played for a bunch of different coaches, and so when

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Speaker 3: he's going in and they're testing him on the board,

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Speaker 3: there's recall with everything. It's like, oh, I ran that

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Speaker 3: concept in twenty twenty one in Texas deck that reminds

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Speaker 3: me of twenty eighteen at Oregon when I'm backing up

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Speaker 3: Justin Herbert and so he's a he's a tall. He's

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Speaker 3: six foot four, he's not you know, he's two hundred

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Speaker 3: plus pounds. He doesn't look like the biggest guy, but

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Speaker 3: tall enough with enough arm. His run a pro style

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Speaker 3: offense they gave him, Jeff Brown, give him a lot

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Speaker 3: of responsibility at the line of scrimmage in that offense

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Speaker 3: at Louisville, and he finally stayed healthy. The guy had

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Speaker 3: never played. This is one of the wildest stats in

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Speaker 3: this draft. The first six years of Tyler Shuck's college career,

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Speaker 3: he never played more than seven games in any of

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Speaker 3: those seasons. He was perpetually. He was a backup for

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Speaker 3: two years. He had the COVID season in Oregon where

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Speaker 3: he did leave lead them to a conference title. He

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Speaker 3: had three years of Texas Tech, got hurt in all

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Speaker 3: of them, then goes to Louisville and you know, puts

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Speaker 3: it together and has a pretty good season. Now, there's

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Speaker 3: also coaches who will say when they see this on tape,

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Speaker 3: and I thought to several has said this, there's a

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Speaker 3: little bit of flints with him. You worry is he

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Speaker 3: shined away from contact? Is he trying not to get

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Speaker 3: hit because he has been hurt so much? That's the

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Speaker 3: number one drawback with Tyler Shuck. But you know, he's

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Speaker 3: your classic efficient, smart guy who knows a lot about offense,

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Speaker 3: and you could he's arguably the guy who's the most

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Speaker 3: ready to step in and play right now. And depending

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Speaker 3: what happens with Derek Carr in New Orleans, you could

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Speaker 3: end up having a Tyler Shuck competition with Spencer Rattler

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Speaker 3: in New Orleans. And I wouldn't put it against Tyler

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Speaker 3: Shucks to be the twenty twenty five Week one starter

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Speaker 3: for the Saints.

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Speaker 2: So maybe they're that Jorg dude. They're doing that to

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Speaker 2: get Arch Manning with the number one pick. Bring a

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Speaker 2: full circle with the Manning family, right because I listen,

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Speaker 2: I know you're saying nice things, Tom, this, this dude's

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Speaker 2: not a starting NFL quarterback. I mean he was. He

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Speaker 2: was in college for seven years and it was only

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Speaker 2: a starter for like one full season. He just kept

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Speaker 2: bouncing around because he wasn't good enough. I don't mean

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Speaker 2: to be a hater. I'm sure you know his agent

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Speaker 2: and stuff, but you watch the tape on.

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Speaker 3: It, he's not me and the agent. The Satan stuck

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Speaker 3: him from the top of the second.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it's off the board. Okay, So was

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Speaker 2: that the worst quarterback pick in the draft?

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Speaker 3: Be honest, No, I don't think it was the worst

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Speaker 3: quarterback pick. I mean the way that I kept explaining this,

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Speaker 3: and again this goes back to like I don't like

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Speaker 3: to crush you know, yeah, I know, well it's a

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Speaker 3: media or anything else. But like there was just this

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Speaker 3: misconception that it was, well, it's cam Ward versus Shador

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Speaker 3: and then it's everybody else, Like it was pretty a

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Speaker 3: parent through the process, right, wrong or indifferent? Okay, Jason,

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Speaker 3: I don't watch a Licko tape. I don't watch these guys.

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Speaker 3: I may have seen him on TV. Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: go through and like evaluate and take notes. I just

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Speaker 3: call people, yeah, because I know that ultimately I don't

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Speaker 3: know what I'm looking at. I just asked people within

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Speaker 3: the league, people who are in the quarterback market, people

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Speaker 3: who are not. I try to get a blunt assessment

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Speaker 3: and talk to people just like lay it on me.

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Speaker 3: Not the press conference version, not that everybody's great version.

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Speaker 3: Like give me the actual good and bad. And what

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Speaker 3: became a parent was it was cam Ward was the

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Speaker 3: consensus number one on just about everybody's board. If you

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Speaker 3: went to you know, there were a few people who

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Speaker 3: had Chador's number two. There were a lot of people

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Speaker 3: had Jackson Dart as number two. There was real competition.

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Speaker 3: It was stacked differently on everyone's board. From Jackson Dart,

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Speaker 3: Shador Sanders, Jalen Milroe, and Tyler Shuck. Those were the

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Speaker 3: next four. There were different orders for different people, which

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Speaker 3: makes sense because think about it, you could not find

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Speaker 3: more different quarterbacks than those guys. Jalen Milroe is a

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Speaker 3: hillacious runner with a massive arm who's just not accurate

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Speaker 3: right now. Tyler Shuck is a pure at this point

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Speaker 3: pocket passer. He's a decent athlete, but he doesn't want

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Speaker 3: to get out and run. They didn't use him that

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Speaker 3: way last year. Who's been in a pro style offense,

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Speaker 3: you know where his floores might be the highest, but

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Speaker 3: the celia might be the lowest. You got Shador, who's

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Speaker 3: had all the hype on him and again very accurate,

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Speaker 3: very tough, but has to play probably a different play

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Speaker 3: style in the NFL. And then you got Jackson Dart, who's,

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Speaker 3: you know, just kind of a bigger, more physical athlete.

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Speaker 3: You know what I was told when I asked about

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Speaker 3: the Jackson Dart over Shador Sanders for the Giants, because

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Speaker 3: they were going through that all the way through. If

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Speaker 3: you went back a year ago and told the Giants,

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Speaker 3: you're sitting there in the first round and you can

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Speaker 3: take one of these guys, I would think they probably

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Speaker 3: would have said Shador Sanders. But what it came down

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Speaker 3: to what Jackson Dart was. He's bigger, he's got more

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Speaker 3: athletic ability. Probably played against tougher competition too in the SEC.

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Speaker 3: But you think about Brian Dable where he's had success.

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Speaker 3: It was in Buffalo with Josh Allen, it was the

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Speaker 3: first year in New York with Daniel Jones. These are

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Speaker 3: like big physical athletes. You can do RPO, you can

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Speaker 3: do read options. You're not gonna do that with Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 3: They felt like Jackson had more layers to his game,

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Speaker 3: and so for it to go the way that it did,

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Speaker 3: which was Dart being the second, Shuck being the third.

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Speaker 3: I can't remember if Milroe or Gabriel was fourth. They

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Speaker 3: were both late third round, but the fact that it

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Speaker 3: was that order. The only surprise to me was Dylan

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Speaker 3: Gabriel jumping up above and then Shador going completely out

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Speaker 3: of day two. Everything else and you can go back.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I did the whole quarterback story and ranked

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Speaker 3: all these guys. It's like the ten guys I said

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Speaker 3: would get drafted. They all got drafted. There was a

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Speaker 3: little bit of variance in the rounds, but I really

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Speaker 3: didn't find it that surprising. And again, I think that

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Speaker 3: the way that we talk about things at times, it

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Speaker 3: just miscasts it. And you know the fact that there

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Speaker 3: was like this seeming debate in the media of is

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Speaker 3: Chador the number one quarterback in this class? All I

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Speaker 3: would tell you is if you went through and I did,

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Speaker 3: I talked to dozens of people, not maybe not all

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Speaker 3: thirty two teams, but easily over twenty teams. I did

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Speaker 3: not find a single person who had Shador Sanders as

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Speaker 3: the number one quarterback in the straf And it was

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Speaker 3: hard even to find an unqualified positive opinion of Shador

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Speaker 3: Sanders because some people really liked the player, but they

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Speaker 3: just had reservations about the culture Shaka coming in. What's

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Speaker 3: it going to be like walking into a locker room

587
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Speaker 3: where for the first time and really his entire life,

588
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Speaker 3: his dad is not the coach, the accountability structure is

589
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Speaker 3: going to be different. Or they were fine with the

590
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Speaker 3: person and they enjoyed their interactions, but they're like, the

591
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Speaker 3: player just isn't that great. It's not say Shad or

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Speaker 3: can't be a starter in the NFL. I would just

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Speaker 3: tell you the only guy the consensus across the league

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Speaker 3: that projected as a surefire starter was the guy who

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Speaker 3: went number one, and after that it was, for lack

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Speaker 3: of a better term, chuck a dart and figure out

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Speaker 3: which one's going to go next.

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Speaker 2: The only counter would be that I think you would

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Speaker 2: even agree with this that the NFL has struggled badly,

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Speaker 2: very badly in identifying quarterbacks and what works and what

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Speaker 2: doesn't in the NFL over the last I don't know

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Speaker 2: fifteen years when like Mitch Trubisky goes what third overall

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Speaker 2: and Mahomes falls.

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Speaker 3: And he was the sense to quarterback in that draft

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Speaker 3: as the wild thing in seventeen, he was the consentsus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's just so many crazy I mean, Josh Rosen

607
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Speaker 2: taking like twenty spots. I had a Lamar Jackson Russell

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Speaker 2: Willith said round.

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Speaker 3: That's a great example. Right, So let's go back to

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Speaker 3: the twenty eighteen draft, because I think this is a

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Speaker 3: really important point too that doesn't get talked about enough.

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Speaker 3: It's not just the evaluation. It's easy to say, well,

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Speaker 3: the scouts don't know what they're doing and they miss

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Speaker 3: all the time. But think about the environmental factors of

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Speaker 3: that twenty eighteen draft, which nobody thought, by the way,

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Speaker 3: was a good quarterback draft. Four of the five guys

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Speaker 3: I believe that were in that draft went to the

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Speaker 3: Pro Bowl last year. But think about the routes they

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Speaker 3: had to take. Baker Mayfield goes number one. That was

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Speaker 3: a surprise at that time that the Browns were that

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Speaker 3: high on him. He was below the line from a

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Speaker 3: hype perspective. There are all these questions about what kind

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Speaker 3: of guys he is? He gonna be a pain in

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Speaker 3: the end of Donald right stuff? What's that?

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Speaker 2: It was supposed to be? Donald right?

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Speaker 3: Donald was That was the one I had won in

627
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Speaker 3: my in my breaking.

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Speaker 2: Because thrilled the Jets. He lit fell to my Jets

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Speaker 2: because then the second pick was Saquon and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a victory. But anyways, continue.

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Speaker 3: Right, and there were you know, John Dorsey was the

632
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: GM in Cleveland, and he just he bought into it.

633
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: He'd been around Farv in Green Bay and kind of

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Speaker 3: that edge and that toughness. He felt like there was

635
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Speaker 3: some of that with Baker. But Baker gets run out

636
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Speaker 3: of Cleveland, gets replaced by Deshaun Watson, then goes to Carolina.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't work out there, It's traded to the Rams,

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00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: has that wild game where he three days later he

639
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Speaker 3: starts and plays great. Goes to Tampa on a one year,

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Speaker 3: five million dollar deal. Now he is, if not a

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00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: top ten quarterback, Baker Mayfield is certainly a top twenty

642
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: quarterback in the NFL, solid starter on a team that

643
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: keeps going to the playoffs. Number three pick is Sam Darnold.

644
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 3: Same thing, wrong environment with the Jets. It's a disaster.

645
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: You are well versed in how that one went, Jason.

646
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: He ends up going to Carolina, into San Francisco, and

647
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: then finally the right place, right time in Minnesota. Jji McCarthy,

648
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: there's this meniscus in camp. I'm of the mine based

649
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 3: on everything I know that Donald was probably gonna be

650
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 3: the starter out of the gate last year anyway, but

651
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: also he didn't have the pressure of the first round

652
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: pick breathing down his neck, and he played great until

653
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: the last game of the regular season and then the

654
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 3: playoff game as well. But he revived his career. Josh

655
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 3: Rosen never had a chance. He's in Arizona and I'm

656
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: not saying Josh Rosen would have been better than these guys,

657
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: but he's in Arizona and by like the third game

658
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: of the season, they've decided these coaches suck, were firing everybody,

659
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: and the season is a mess. He gets traded the

660
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: following April to Miami, ends up in another bad situation

661
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: like it was. It was a wreck. Josh Allen turns

662
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: into the MVP. I believe he went eight in that draft,

663
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: just the second of Josh Rosen, but he was the

664
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Speaker 3: guy everyone's going fifty seven percent completion percentage on me.

665
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: This guy stinks again, But they ran the right offense

666
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: for him, allowed him to use his athletic ability while

667
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: they worked on the accuracy. And then thirty two is

668
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, who there was real debate that year and

669
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: people requesting, hey, can he work out at wide receiver

670
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: or running?

671
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Napoleon right, it.

672
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 3: Was a real that was a real bait within the league,

673
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 3: and so you think about that. But like Lamar went

674
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: into a spot in Baltimore where they had a clear vision,

675
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: we are going to do the things he does best

676
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 3: while he improves as a passer, and as soon as

677
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 3: he graduated out of being a run first type of quarterback,

678
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: and he's still an unbelievable runner. Once he became more accurate,

679
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: they made an offensive coordinator change. They ran run an offense.

680
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: Now that's a little more advanced. Same thing with Josh Allen.

681
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: Once he got better as a passer, they ran their offense.

682
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,479
Speaker 3: You had vision in those spots. Baker bounced around, Darnold

683
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 3: bounced around. Rosen's completely out of the league. The quarterbacks

684
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: that are going to succeed, it's not just the ones that. Oh,

685
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 3: that was the right evaluation. It was what are we

686
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: going to do with him here? How are we going

687
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: to win with this guy? And you know, we'll see

688
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: how how Tennessee uses cam Ward. I mean the comps

689
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 3: to you here on cam Ward, it's Mahomes, it's Caleb Williams.

690
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: It's a guy who just can change ourm angles and

691
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: run around and make plays. I heard somebody who compare

692
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 3: him to Ben Roethlisberger, which I thought was really interesting

693
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: because there's times you see cam Wore getting hit in

694
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 3: the pocket and just like shedding people and extending plays

695
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 3: that way. He's not a scrambler. He's a guy who

696
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: moves to throw. But listen, if you know, they get

697
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: itchy and Tennessee and you know, God forbid they fire everybody, Like,

698
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: you know, what could that do to cam Ward? I

699
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: think everything's circumstantial. Everything's about what environment of these guys

700
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: in and that's where you know, that'll be the telltale

701
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: sign on this quarterback class, which outside of cam Ward,

702
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: the NFL issued a verdict that shouldn't really surprise anybody,

703
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 3: which was this is a one quarterback draft and after that,

704
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 3: we're just trying to trying to get lucky.

705
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: It's interesting, you I totally forgot that. Uh it was

706
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: Dorsey who picked Baker Mayfield. What's his name, Dorsey, John Dorsey,

707
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: Don Dorsey. It's interesting, so I looked it up. It

708
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: looks like Dorsey has not worked really since he was

709
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: a consultant somewhere.

710
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 3: He's with the Lions. He is, he is in the

711
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 3: front office. You can still find him wearing that same

712
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: gray sweatter.

713
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh a senior personnel executive. Oh okay, there it is.

714
00:32:59,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

715
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: So here's the interesting thing. And again this is kind

716
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: of off the beaten path, but Dorsey actually was the

717
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: GM when they drafted Patrick Mahomes and then he was

718
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: cut loose, like a few months later before Mahomes even

719
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: played a game. Oh man, I totally forgot you. I

720
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: believe yes, June Wow, good memory. So wait, so he

721
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: doesn't get a lot of credit for Mahomes. That usually

722
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: goes to Brett Veach and some others. Huh.

723
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 3: Well, Andy Reid has said that that Brett Veach was

724
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 3: the one that was pushing Patrick Mahomes. I knew, you know,

725
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: I had Deshaun I remember catching flat because I had

726
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: Mahomes ahead of de Shawn Watson in the rankings that year.

727
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 3: And what I was saying was listen, like, Mahomes really

728
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: impressed people. Everyone's like, oh, you've running the It's this

729
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: guy who's running the air raid. He just you know,

730
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: he's he's just a thrower. He's not a passer, which,

731
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: you know, the amazing thing about Patrick Mahomes. If not

732
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 3: for you know, Patrick Mahomes walked so cam Ward could run.

733
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: If not for Patrick Mahomes, none of these guys who

734
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 3: play who have these unorthodox throwing styles and are you know,

735
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: throwing the ball across their body and side arm and

736
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: all that that wasn't considered like a positive trait. Now

737
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: it's taught every quarterbacks coach teaches guys to make these

738
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: you know, off platform throws as they call them, and

739
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: change their arm angles and things. And you see every

740
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: year Caleb Williams same thing. They train that in now

741
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 3: because Patrick Mahomes is the modern quarterback. But when he

742
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: was taken by the Chiefs, it did surprise some people,

743
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: Like I remember specifically I had the order of the

744
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: quarterbacks right that year, but that was not the consensus opinion.

745
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: It was Deshaun Watson was the winner at Clemson. He

746
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: was giving me the next one off the board. But

747
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: Mahomes where he impressed people was he went in and

748
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: when they put him on the board and stuff. Again,

749
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: because he's an air raid quarterback, everyone's assuming he doesn't

750
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: know football. He was amazing in those meetings. There were

751
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: a bunch of teams that were hoping Patrick Mahomes was

752
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: going to slip to them in that draft. In the end,

753
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: the Chiefs went and got him and the rest is history.

754
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 3: That's still being written here because Mahomes is still only

755
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 3: like thirty and will probably win five more Super Bowls.

756
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 2: Before way, not five war maybe one more. I think

757
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: the Chiefs certains of trouble this year, but I'm sure

758
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 2: you would agree, So hey, I'll wrap up with this.

759
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 3: They have shown a remarkable ability to reinvent themselves. I mean,

760
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: everybody thought when they traded Tyreek Hill, like what are

761
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: they doing? And they took the draft capital and the

762
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 3: cap resources, rebuilt the defense, rebuilt the offensive line. Now

763
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: they're kind of in another another phase of that. As

764
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 3: long as Mahomes is playing. This is like a Tom

765
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: Brady level run in my mind where it's like, okay,

766
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 3: just pencil them in the AFC Championship game. Oh see,

767
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: if they can win two more.

768
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: I'll go Buffalo in the Super Bowl this year out

769
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: of the AFC. One last thing. It's way too early

770
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: for this, but Fox Sports asked me to do a

771
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six NFL mock draft. I just need your

772
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: insight because you're obviously way on top of this. So

773
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: like every single year, we say, oh, next year's quarterback,

774
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: that's the one, it's going to be loaded. So I

775
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: went back and looked Tom. I'm sure you remember this.

776
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: A year ago, everybody was saying Quinn Yours is probably

777
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: gonna go top ten, Carson Beck Georgia probably gonna go

778
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: toup to it. And then as the season progresses, we

779
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: start to weed guys out, but it seems like arch

780
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: Manning people just cannot because he's Manning. You got, everybody's

781
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: putting him in. Hey, that's the guy next year. And

782
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: I know you haven't done the work, and I'm sure

783
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 2: people aren't talking to you about arch Manning yet. But

784
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: a year out they're talking. Are they talking about Art?

785
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, without a doubt. I mean people make just kind

786
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: of glancing comments. You know, they're not deeping the evaluation.

787
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: There's not that much to evaluate. I mean the guy

788
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 3: he has then played a whole lot there. I mean,

789
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: think about this. If arch Manning is the presumptive number

790
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 3: one pick or whatever projected number one pick for certain

791
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: people in the twenty twenty sixth draft, he essentially sat

792
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 3: for two years behind a guy who just was a

793
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: seventh rounder in Quinn Yours, which tells you something about

794
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 3: how much Steve Sarkisian had faith in Queen Yours. His

795
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 3: slide was the one. If we weren't talking about Shad

796
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: or Sanders, we would have been talking about why in

797
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 3: the world is Quinn Yours going in the seventh round?

798
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: You know, the drawbacks on him. Was just not the

799
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: biggest guy, not the biggest arm. He's been hurt every

800
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 3: year going back to high school. But there's no argument

801
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 3: the guy has won. He went to the college Football

802
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: Playoff twice. Yeah, he was eleven and one on the road.

803
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 3: Him and Joe Burrow are the only ones who beat

804
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: Saban over the last decade of Saban at Alabama. I mean,

805
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what more you can ask of Quinn yours.

806
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: I thought he would go third, fourth, maybe fifth round,

807
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 3: because he's at minimum this guy can come in and

808
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: be your backup for the next ten years. He goes

809
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: in the seventh to Miami. I mean, he may well

810
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: beat out Zach Wilson. We'll see all that competition.

811
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: May of course he's gonna be wouldn't be.

812
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 3: S Drives at all if we see him backing up

813
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: to it. But you go back to Arch, I would say, like,

814
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 3: and this is one of the things too, the coach

815
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 3: has noticed when they dug into the Texas tape, was

816
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 3: like when you saw, like if you're watching one of

817
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 3: the Texas receivers, for instance, and all of a sudden,

818
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: the ball was like, man, that ball just jumped off

819
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: his hand. Oh that was Arch. That was Arch in

820
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: place of yours, Like you could tell a difference when

821
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: Arch was in the game. He's obviously got the athletic ability.

822
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: He's he's a better runner already than anybody in his family,

823
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: at least the at least Eli so much. I mean

824
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: he's he can move out there, you know. Drew Aller

825
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: from Penn State's another one. If he had come out,

826
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: he quite possibly could have been QB two in this draft.

827
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: He decided to go back, So that's one that we're

828
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: going to be watching. If Carson back, if he hadn't,

829
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 3: what do you do he tore his ucl right, I

830
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 3: mean it was a significant injury that he had. Yeah,

831
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: season ends up transferring. We'll see, be right. I mean,

832
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: the quarterback position is the hardest one.

833
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 2: And there's so let me give you a name, a

834
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: name you didn't mention him so obviously Nico who's at

835
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: UCLA from Tennessee. He's gonna have a lot of questions

836
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: about the departure. But do you know the name Leonoris Sellers?

837
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: I do though of that name, Yes, South Carolina. I

838
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: will have him like top six in my mock. I'm

839
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: sure people.

840
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken. Leonora's Sellers is trained by the

841
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: same coach who trained cam Ward and Shoudor Sanders, and

842
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 3: so I had him on a show recently and he

843
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 3: brought that up, and this is one of the next guys.

844
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 3: This Leonoras Sellers like he's gonna be the next one

845
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 3: who can do it. And so he's definitely on the

846
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: radar as well. But I mean, you said it like

847
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: you look a year out and it's so hard to

848
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: project these things. This is looked at as a better

849
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 3: quarterback class than twenty six than the one that we

850
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: just had in twenty five. But you know, the cautionary

851
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: tale would be it's not just the you know, the

852
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 3: the Quinn Eewers or you know, to go way back,

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Speaker 3: Brian Bram, who's the guy I've brought up for some

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Speaker 3: of the comparisons to Shoe or Sanders, who it's like

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Speaker 3: next Sally I could be the number one pick and

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Speaker 3: then he slides and then he's out of the league

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Speaker 3: in a few years. But cam Ward was projected as

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Speaker 3: like a fourth, fifth, sixth round pick. He declared for

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Speaker 3: the draft, went back because everyone told him, you're not

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Speaker 3: going till day three. Joe Burrow was projected as like

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Speaker 3: a fourth fifth round pick going into his senior year,

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Speaker 3: his last year at LSU, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: he has one of the greatest seasons in college football history.

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Speaker 3: You know, the one year producer for so long, that's

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Speaker 3: what scouts always referred to it as. It's he always

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Speaker 3: made people nervous because it's like, Okay, what was going

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Speaker 3: on that he didn't look like that? And then how

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Speaker 3: did he make this leap? In other words, was that

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Speaker 3: the real guy? And he just kind of caught fire?

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Speaker 3: But now it's like, with the way that the players

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Speaker 3: move around, sometimes it's a matter of just getting with

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Speaker 3: the right coach in the right program. And god knows,

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Speaker 3: these guys are playing at three different schools, Like you're

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Speaker 3: moving around enough that you're probably playing for a bunch

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Speaker 3: of different coaches. The guy who ends up being the

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Speaker 3: number one picker, the number one quarterback in this draft

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Speaker 3: may well be somebody we're not even thinking about. But

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Speaker 3: will arch Manning enter this coming season as the presumptive

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Speaker 3: number one pick? I think it's fair to say, And

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Speaker 3: again this is not from a scouting perspective, because NFL

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Speaker 3: teams haven't fully dug into this, but I would say

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Speaker 3: he will enter this season with as much, if not

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Speaker 3: more hype than any player who has not previously been

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Speaker 3: a starter that we've ever seen. I can't think of

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Speaker 3: anybody else with that maybe Jimmy Kloss, who entered with

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Speaker 3: that much that much hype, and hopefully it'll work out

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Speaker 3: better for Arts that did for Jimmy. Wow.

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Speaker 2: All right, Tom Pellas are great stuff NFL Network. Listen, man,

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Speaker 2: you're a fountain of information. Love it and congrats. Now

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Speaker 2: get some rest, man, he's up. Summer's here for you.

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Speaker 2: All right, buddy, take it easy,