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Brockhampton's original members formed after posting on 0:00:59.716 --> 0:01:03.756 a Kanye West fan message board and started making music 0:01:03.836 --> 0:01:07.796 in the Woodlands, Texas, a pretty unassuming suburb of Houston. 0:01:08.636 --> 0:01:11.236 Since that time, they've turned the idea of a boy 0:01:11.316 --> 0:01:15.116 band on its head. With as many as fourteen members 0:01:15.116 --> 0:01:19.596 at times, Brockhampton's deconstructed the traditional pop star rap ethos 0:01:20.156 --> 0:01:24.756 by being unapologetically inclusive of racial and sexual identities and 0:01:24.876 --> 0:01:29.676 not letting any one sound define them. Today, Brockhampton's frontman 0:01:29.796 --> 0:01:34.316 Kevin Abstract, talks through the group's sixth and latest album, Roadrunner, 0:01:34.516 --> 0:01:37.956 New Light, New Machine, with Rick grouping in an effort 0:01:37.996 --> 0:01:41.476 to recapture the spontaneity of their early career. The group 0:01:41.556 --> 0:01:45.556 all crashed together at Kevin's house while recording their new album, 0:01:45.636 --> 0:01:48.356 We'll Hear Kevin talk about how the projects slowly evolved 0:01:48.356 --> 0:01:51.796 from a pop album to something darker and more rapp driven. 0:01:52.356 --> 0:01:55.116 Kevin also explains how supporting one of the group's members 0:01:55.276 --> 0:01:59.516 through losing their dad became the album's creative thrust, and 0:01:59.596 --> 0:02:02.956 talks about why their next album will probably be their last. 0:02:06.916 --> 0:02:09.596 This is broken record liner notes for the digit age. 0:02:09.836 --> 0:02:19.076 I'm justin Mitchman. Here's Rick Rubin with Brockhampton's Kevin Abstract. 0:02:20.356 --> 0:02:23.356 What's been going on since the Sunny Lads? The last 0:02:23.396 --> 0:02:25.756 time I saw you had like a super early version 0:02:25.756 --> 0:02:28.916 of the album, and then we just started working super 0:02:28.956 --> 0:02:31.236 hard on it right after. Even then, I remember you 0:02:31.356 --> 0:02:35.036 had already been working on it for the longest ever. Yeah, 0:02:35.076 --> 0:02:37.876 like two years, which is a very long time for us. Yeah, 0:02:37.956 --> 0:02:41.996 because usually it's like, who's been six months at most? 0:02:42.396 --> 0:02:44.876 Like that will be long for us. So two years 0:02:44.916 --> 0:02:46.836 was a lot. But you were so excited off of 0:02:46.836 --> 0:02:50.156 the like the more rap driven stuff. Yeah, so may 0:02:50.196 --> 0:02:52.116 it's just like going and make a bunch of rap stuff. 0:02:52.156 --> 0:02:53.676 It seemed like you had the same Like when we 0:02:53.676 --> 0:02:56.316 were listening to it together. I don't think I was 0:02:56.356 --> 0:02:58.876 alone in feeling that, Like I felt like I didn't 0:02:58.876 --> 0:03:02.276 know it seemed obvious. Yeah, I agree. It just felt right, 0:03:02.716 --> 0:03:05.396 just new for us really because the last album we 0:03:05.436 --> 0:03:06.956 put out, our biggest song was like an R and 0:03:06.996 --> 0:03:09.436 B song, So it was fun to do something that 0:03:09.516 --> 0:03:13.356 was like super left. It was more challenging too, in 0:03:13.396 --> 0:03:17.276 the group songs, how do the again, because there's so 0:03:17.316 --> 0:03:19.956 many voices, How did decisions get made? How does it 0:03:20.036 --> 0:03:24.076 end up being whatever it ends up being? Everyone shows 0:03:24.116 --> 0:03:26.596 their ideas, Yeah, how do you do it? Keep the 0:03:26.676 --> 0:03:29.596 mic on, and if anyone has something to say, you 0:03:29.676 --> 0:03:32.596 just record it and we'll record all the ideas, everyone's ideas. 0:03:32.676 --> 0:03:35.036 No one's like left out of that process. And then 0:03:36.036 --> 0:03:37.836 then basically me and Romel will just sit there and 0:03:38.636 --> 0:03:40.396 go through it and be like, oh, we think the 0:03:40.396 --> 0:03:44.116 song should be like this, Like this, like a thirty 0:03:44.156 --> 0:03:46.556 two bar verse you did might make sense if we 0:03:46.676 --> 0:03:48.356 chop it up and turn into a hook or something 0:03:48.396 --> 0:03:50.836 and then maybe rerecord it and then it feels more 0:03:50.836 --> 0:03:53.396 like a chorus or something, and it's kind of just 0:03:53.436 --> 0:03:57.956 like just pure expression. Fun letting everyone just do their 0:03:57.996 --> 0:04:00.156 thing whatever you gotta say, you know, and at that 0:04:00.196 --> 0:04:02.596 point in time, would the song have a shape yet 0:04:02.636 --> 0:04:04.556 or it would just be like a long track, a 0:04:04.596 --> 0:04:07.676 long track, maybe a loop. I love starting without loops, 0:04:07.756 --> 0:04:10.516 you know, just like a a vibe and then just 0:04:11.716 --> 0:04:15.956 throwing ideas at the wall freestyle and passing the mic 0:04:15.996 --> 0:04:18.636 around like just fun shit like that. And if you 0:04:18.876 --> 0:04:22.476 before editing it, if you were to listen to all 0:04:22.516 --> 0:04:26.476 of the ideas, might that be an hour of ideas 0:04:26.596 --> 0:04:29.036 or ten minutes of ideas? I think it depends on 0:04:29.076 --> 0:04:31.836 the energy of the room. Like if people are really 0:04:31.836 --> 0:04:35.156 inspired the day, it might be like hours. Yeah. Sometimes 0:04:35.156 --> 0:04:37.356 people will be freestyle and they nail their whole like 0:04:37.556 --> 0:04:41.756 idea within that freestyle within like thirty seconds or something. 0:04:41.836 --> 0:04:45.556 So it really just depends. It's an amazing ability the freestyle, 0:04:45.636 --> 0:04:48.596 Like to get the freestyle that feels like I wouldn't 0:04:48.596 --> 0:04:51.916 touch it right, and then it's incredible. When I was 0:04:51.956 --> 0:04:53.596 a kid, someone told me, one of my friends told 0:04:53.636 --> 0:04:56.596 me that Dre used to like let Snoop just freestyle 0:04:57.076 --> 0:05:00.036 and then Dre would just like cut up the best 0:05:00.076 --> 0:05:02.036 parts of the freestyle to make a verse. I don't 0:05:02.036 --> 0:05:05.036 know if that's true or not, but like I just 0:05:05.116 --> 0:05:07.076 held on to that for so long and applied it 0:05:07.156 --> 0:05:12.596 to just making with Rockhampton. It's pretty fun, really cool. 0:05:12.916 --> 0:05:15.716 Let's say you hear all the ideas and then you 0:05:15.996 --> 0:05:17.556 have a vision of what it's going to be and 0:05:17.636 --> 0:05:22.356 you edit it down. Might then someone come back around 0:05:22.396 --> 0:05:24.316 and say, Okay, based on what it is now, I 0:05:24.316 --> 0:05:25.756 have a new idea and I want to ed it in. 0:05:25.836 --> 0:05:28.516 So that happens sometimes, Yes, that happens all the time. 0:05:28.756 --> 0:05:31.556 And how often does the music change from the beginning, 0:05:32.036 --> 0:05:36.356 from the when the vocals first, when the vocal ideas 0:05:36.396 --> 0:05:39.356 first go on the track? How often does the music 0:05:39.436 --> 0:05:44.916 change after that? Almost every song? Really? Yeah, almost because 0:05:44.956 --> 0:05:47.156 it happens to me is like I'll like it when 0:05:47.156 --> 0:05:49.836 we're making it, but then like this feels kind of 0:05:49.876 --> 0:05:52.116 generic or feel stale. I think it's because I hear 0:05:52.156 --> 0:05:54.116 it for so long in the room on loop where 0:05:54.076 --> 0:05:57.836 everyone's writing, and I'll just be inspired to like take 0:05:57.836 --> 0:06:02.076 it to a completely different place, which sometimes doesn't make sense, 0:06:02.076 --> 0:06:04.196 and then we stick with the original. Yeah, so that's 0:06:04.196 --> 0:06:07.276 why I like, sometimes it stays there, but usually we 0:06:07.316 --> 0:06:11.276 always end up somewhere else. It probably has an interesting 0:06:11.316 --> 0:06:15.356 effect on the vocals too. When you write to one 0:06:15.476 --> 0:06:21.156 thing and then change the music, I imagine it could 0:06:22.076 --> 0:06:24.876 bring out something different in the vocals than was originally 0:06:24.916 --> 0:06:28.916 there always Yeah, and sometimes it sounds awful A little 0:06:28.916 --> 0:06:30.716 bit about like that too. Yeah, it could be it 0:06:30.716 --> 0:06:33.116 could It could really make sense in a in an 0:06:33.116 --> 0:06:36.596 awful way, cold interesting. Maybe we start listening. I'm really 0:06:36.636 --> 0:06:38.996 I'm anxious to kind of hear where it ended up. 0:06:44.236 --> 0:06:49.556 I ge my mom's though in the same house my 0:06:49.636 --> 0:06:55.076 dad died in all alone. Trying not to be paranoid, 0:06:55.156 --> 0:07:00.636 trying not as they're calling it. Every headline is a 0:07:00.636 --> 0:07:07.276 reminder that the world's fucked. So I'm just trying to 0:07:07.276 --> 0:07:15.396 see the light in between the clouds. Still love that 0:07:15.516 --> 0:07:22.636 sunshine of When I look at myself, I see a 0:07:22.716 --> 0:07:26.196 broken man rimmingtop my pots, put the glop to his head. 0:07:26.556 --> 0:07:30.396 Nothing ever go as planned. Couldn't make amends forcibly pretend. 0:07:30.436 --> 0:07:34.156 I don't give it. Damn at a loss, aimless, six 0:07:34.276 --> 0:07:39.076 feet deep, suffocating, can't face it, can't change it, ain't 0:07:39.156 --> 0:07:42.276 make it, master plans, father maker. I see no safor 0:07:42.636 --> 0:07:46.716 over reflection. It is sainless, still alcohol and pills, deadly combination, 0:07:46.836 --> 0:07:49.476 left with nothing else the middle of floral Haven. Hope 0:07:49.476 --> 0:07:51.876 it was painless. I see you in the faces places, 0:07:51.996 --> 0:07:54.916 and I make it. Reflections off the broken here, fragments 0:07:54.956 --> 0:07:57.356 of my fiends let ring back like who's there. I 0:07:57.356 --> 0:07:59.996 can't stand myself beside myself. I see you there, I 0:08:00.076 --> 0:08:02.756 know you care. Felt nothing since September when I heard 0:08:02.756 --> 0:08:05.036 the news. What I do to speak one last time? 0:08:05.236 --> 0:08:08.036 I think I always will be haunted by the women shumper, 0:08:08.116 --> 0:08:11.316 bloody backdrop, school, fragments in the ceiling, through your presence 0:08:11.356 --> 0:08:14.436 in the room her My mother is squilling, master up disguises, 0:08:14.476 --> 0:08:16.716 ask the ass dust to dust. Boys behind my eye, 0:08:16.716 --> 0:08:20.636 livest blacking out, bleading out, silence longer than it, twist tup, 0:08:20.756 --> 0:08:23.596 lying as thick as our secret, shadow, people and needles 0:08:23.796 --> 0:08:26.676 they can do with people. Then comes sorts to purgatory. 0:08:26.836 --> 0:08:39.796 I miss you for the record. I can fly around 0:08:39.876 --> 0:08:51.436 the world a sorry, lying something, sending something change and sexist. 0:08:51.596 --> 0:08:54.156 I guess I've missed a message. Look, I missed my exit. 0:08:54.356 --> 0:08:57.036 I'm living like the chests said. I was broken, desperate, 0:08:57.356 --> 0:08:59.876 leaning on my best friends, only shot college. I was 0:08:59.956 --> 0:09:02.876 around with bards, tended, ain't gonna loving his game in mind. 0:09:02.956 --> 0:09:05.396 This is na tennis. Take your shoes off. We just 0:09:05.516 --> 0:09:08.516 did the kurd pitson. I can take the hacking, I 0:09:08.596 --> 0:09:11.396 can take the praising. It's all enjoys to me. I'll 0:09:11.396 --> 0:09:14.716 turn them to say, y'all soogetting the matrix, rid meal, 0:09:14.756 --> 0:09:17.956 blue peel on these different faces, on these different cases. 0:09:18.036 --> 0:09:20.396 She gotta see me naked. So I'm aware when I 0:09:20.516 --> 0:09:23.116 went down and I ain't been a faking ain't gotta 0:09:23.236 --> 0:09:25.996 me the ain't got I see God. Last summer I 0:09:26.156 --> 0:09:28.756 was sitting on the bridge. I see all y'all under me. 0:09:29.156 --> 0:09:31.596 Know y'are struggle, lin It gets out here shugger ling 0:09:31.796 --> 0:09:33.876 who's in jobs? When who's in God? And everything is 0:09:33.916 --> 0:09:37.756 super link feel heaving, rubbing, legal raptures coming. I love 0:09:37.836 --> 0:09:40.876 the attention. I'm a bad sitting public. I'm still struggle 0:09:40.916 --> 0:09:43.036 with selling my mind who I'm in love with some 0:09:43.196 --> 0:09:46.996 those seas in between wadies, i'mons bleed. When Thanksgiving come around, 0:09:47.156 --> 0:09:49.636 I still don't see him. But Christmas go around there, 0:09:49.716 --> 0:09:51.996 y'all still don't see him from the world. Who I 0:09:52.196 --> 0:09:54.036 was before I got to know Eve. To give my 0:09:54.156 --> 0:09:56.956 people money in the shange for the freedom I would 0:09:57.036 --> 0:10:11.196 give me God back for a chance free him? Where 0:10:11.196 --> 0:10:15.076 did the sample at the beginning the talking sample come from. 0:10:15.476 --> 0:10:18.316 I was listening to two thousand and one by Dre 0:10:18.876 --> 0:10:23.436 like every day while working on this album, and I 0:10:23.516 --> 0:10:26.796 think it's the beginning of fuck You. There's like this us, 0:10:26.836 --> 0:10:29.196 this girl talking on the phone, and as though it 0:10:29.196 --> 0:10:31.876 would be cool to have let the audience know this 0:10:32.076 --> 0:10:34.596 is like where the journey starts, where the story starts, 0:10:34.676 --> 0:10:38.436 like really with the album. So I just called Joba. 0:10:38.636 --> 0:10:41.036 He's on the first verse, and the album's pretty much 0:10:41.036 --> 0:10:44.276 about him losing his father basically, and us being there 0:10:44.436 --> 0:10:49.076 to support him and like following him towards the light 0:10:49.236 --> 0:10:51.956 and him sometimes following us towards the light, like just 0:10:52.556 --> 0:10:54.916 this idea of brotherhood and all that kind of stuff. 0:10:55.356 --> 0:10:57.316 So I just called him and just put the phone 0:10:57.356 --> 0:10:59.436 next to the mic and like interview them and talk 0:10:59.556 --> 0:11:02.796 for like twenty minutes kind of, And then he sat 0:11:02.836 --> 0:11:05.516 with us and we picked the moment that kind of 0:11:05.556 --> 0:11:08.476 like summed up the song the best and then just 0:11:08.676 --> 0:11:12.116 made made so much sense. It's so cool and it 0:11:12.436 --> 0:11:15.756 just feels so personal and real, and he was getting 0:11:15.876 --> 0:11:18.196 very very honest in the call. It was feeling just 0:11:18.276 --> 0:11:21.276 walking around like you feel it, smoking, talking, opening up. 0:11:21.356 --> 0:11:25.356 It was very beautiful, very beautiful, and I love the music. 0:11:25.476 --> 0:11:28.236 It's so cool. Sounds like what was the inspiration do 0:11:28.276 --> 0:11:30.156 you know? For the for the music? The original song 0:11:30.236 --> 0:11:33.076 was like eight minutes long, and everybody was on everyone 0:11:33.116 --> 0:11:35.316 in the group, and it was it was very hard, 0:11:35.356 --> 0:11:37.076 but it was slow. And then there was this moment 0:11:37.516 --> 0:11:39.996 where where Job's verse, when I heard it, was like, 0:11:39.996 --> 0:11:42.196 it'd be cool if it just like if we got 0:11:42.236 --> 0:11:45.916 super like sixties like rockish and like a full on 0:11:45.956 --> 0:11:48.036 departure from what the original song was and originals like 0:11:48.076 --> 0:11:51.876 a kind of like nineties rap, but like modern drums 0:11:51.956 --> 0:11:54.556 on it, like mood wise, And we all ended up 0:11:54.636 --> 0:11:57.596 liking Job's verse over this like rock sample so much 0:11:57.716 --> 0:11:59.876 that we just ended up making the whole song be that. 0:12:00.036 --> 0:12:03.756 And then our friend Bared him and his brother like 0:12:03.916 --> 0:12:07.436 redid the sample in terms of mood. They made like 0:12:07.596 --> 0:12:10.076 a new version of it, and that ended up being 0:12:11.156 --> 0:12:13.116 that song. And that's that's my favorite on that too. 0:12:13.276 --> 0:12:16.796 It's so cool. It's so cool. So it reminds me 0:12:16.916 --> 0:12:20.316 like an Italian horror movie, you know, like sixties Italian 0:12:20.356 --> 0:12:24.636 horror movies. Dario Argento Mario Bava, those kind of movies 0:12:24.756 --> 0:12:29.236 like from another like from another time and from another place, 0:12:29.676 --> 0:12:33.356 but rock but from another place, you know, like if 0:12:33.436 --> 0:12:37.196 it has that international flavor, that's cool, it's really cool. 0:12:37.276 --> 0:12:40.236 We had retro futurism written out and we had that 0:12:40.316 --> 0:12:41.796 on the wall on the studio, and that's kind of 0:12:41.796 --> 0:12:43.516 like the idea. So like if you hear the album 0:12:43.596 --> 0:12:46.036 or like the videos, you don't really know what time 0:12:46.076 --> 0:12:48.356 period is from. It could be like supermodern, it could 0:12:48.356 --> 0:12:50.276 be assalgic, like a mix of it kind of wanted 0:12:50.476 --> 0:12:54.836 super cool and it sounds almost like retro sci fi like, look, 0:12:54.876 --> 0:12:57.836 that could be a sci fi music from a seventies 0:12:57.876 --> 0:13:01.036 sci fi movie. Yeah, that's also the other thing we're chasing. 0:13:01.196 --> 0:13:03.276 Cool that you hear that. Yeah, if you feel it, 0:13:03.556 --> 0:13:08.676 it's great. Shoot the next one, a million metal piece, 0:13:09.956 --> 0:13:14.276 all that up to nothing, lady, swim with it, my 0:13:14.556 --> 0:13:21.116 bast shie, something like a salabration. We'll see a gage. 0:13:26.116 --> 0:13:32.316 We'll see a gage. I know, my sweet, I could 0:13:32.916 --> 0:13:35.356 see this house and I if I can swallow my 0:13:35.476 --> 0:13:37.916 pride with you and me when you roll and it's 0:13:37.996 --> 0:13:40.236 easy to just skip it flipping out and you girl, 0:13:40.476 --> 0:13:42.836 maybe I wouldn't be so pissed when you came for 0:13:42.956 --> 0:13:46.156 my group, getting the only kitchen table. Make sure everyone 0:13:46.276 --> 0:13:49.796 know I made my Sunday mornings feel like Friday nights. 0:13:49.836 --> 0:13:52.796 I'll be like booming my house and any Friday lights, 0:13:52.836 --> 0:13:55.396 ready to pounce on any pussy. Ain't spitch, come for 0:13:55.476 --> 0:13:57.996 my life. I'm kind of ballad day. I'm trying of 0:13:58.076 --> 0:14:00.796 wondering what the funk I gotta notice seeing you you 0:14:00.916 --> 0:14:03.436 ain't any ship for years. I can't be and see you. 0:14:03.756 --> 0:14:05.996 How to speech with saying come on my hands. I 0:14:06.156 --> 0:14:10.956 brave everything I say't be getting enough. You feel pieces 0:14:11.876 --> 0:14:17.996 fall out to nothing, swim within my best sheets. It's 0:14:18.076 --> 0:14:29.316 something like a celebration. Let's see engaging. We'll see engaging. 0:14:33.876 --> 0:14:37.916 I stay running from something I can't see, true colors, 0:14:38.036 --> 0:14:41.596 blinding fuck away from me, going in for something I 0:14:41.756 --> 0:14:47.036 don't need. I leave to lives find me. Who's to blame? 0:14:47.316 --> 0:14:50.836 Who's to say? I leave, forced to change, forced to 0:14:50.956 --> 0:14:55.996 face my seat break, a big breaking in timely but 0:14:56.276 --> 0:14:58.956 on my home. But I've been feeling a lot. I 0:14:59.116 --> 0:15:03.396 gotta go. Don't ask why watch the dollar nose and 0:15:03.556 --> 0:15:07.556 the dun fly either way goals scribbled out of line 0:15:07.956 --> 0:15:23.876 get on the shots pieces my best sheets, so we 0:15:24.076 --> 0:15:40.996 see so cool. Thanks great, That's one of my favorites. 0:15:41.196 --> 0:15:44.396 It's really unlike everything else, but it still fits in 0:15:44.476 --> 0:15:46.276 as beautiful. I love it. I think it was just 0:15:46.396 --> 0:15:49.116 it was a loop. I think like Romel had a 0:15:49.196 --> 0:15:52.276 plan and Joe was just there on the mic and 0:15:52.436 --> 0:15:54.596 like he showed me as his verse in the hook 0:15:54.636 --> 0:15:56.676 and I don't think he knew what it was yet. Dude, 0:15:56.676 --> 0:15:58.716 already have all the guitars on it now. All the 0:15:58.796 --> 0:16:01.036 guitars were just like it was a I don't even 0:16:01.076 --> 0:16:04.156 know if what was playing like stayed on the track 0:16:04.676 --> 0:16:06.636 because we redid a lot of the guitars and stuff. 0:16:06.836 --> 0:16:09.796 But it had a rock feel like this not even 0:16:09.836 --> 0:16:13.116 it was very like indie bedroom Phil. Yeah, you know, 0:16:13.396 --> 0:16:17.076 like there was like a drum break and uh and 0:16:17.236 --> 0:16:18.796 like a lead guitar and I think we're all just 0:16:18.836 --> 0:16:21.156 like writing so that it was moodier. It was closer 0:16:21.236 --> 0:16:23.876 to like the how the song kind of starts. It's 0:16:23.956 --> 0:16:27.356 so cool, and also the songwriting styles really different, Like 0:16:27.436 --> 0:16:29.636 it's not rapping, it's not pop, you know, it's like 0:16:29.756 --> 0:16:33.476 it's just a whole different more rock really, but it 0:16:33.596 --> 0:16:36.196 fits that's like just what I want to hear from us. 0:16:36.596 --> 0:16:39.716 It works. Thanks. We'll be right back with more from 0:16:39.796 --> 0:16:44.916 Kevin Abstract and Rick Rubin. After a quick break, we're 0:16:44.996 --> 0:16:49.356 back with more Rick Rubin's conversation with Kevin Abstract. But first, 0:16:49.756 --> 0:16:53.236 here's their new song when Eyeball from Roadrunner, New Light, 0:16:53.516 --> 0:16:59.596 New Machine. My mama said, I did ain't coming to 0:16:59.756 --> 0:17:01.756 the square. I would see us. It's that I'm welcome. 0:17:01.836 --> 0:17:05.396 How I open eyes and open a few things that 0:17:05.436 --> 0:17:10.036 couldn't be repaired. We saw shut up fair. Some things 0:17:10.076 --> 0:17:11.836 you don't get to the side of just the face 0:17:11.876 --> 0:17:14.036 you share. I used to try to hold the weight 0:17:14.076 --> 0:17:16.476 that she would need to bed. Why shaw was going on? 0:17:16.636 --> 0:17:18.956 They came for a couple of years. When they came 0:17:19.036 --> 0:17:21.076 back and needed the clothes, I had no souvenese. I 0:17:21.196 --> 0:17:23.916 pick up the phone. They're calling us from correction. But 0:17:24.076 --> 0:17:26.876 nothing is wrong. It's feeling my heart with questions. My 0:17:27.036 --> 0:17:30.836 mama saw them following my heart expressions, the dropping a tongue. 0:17:30.876 --> 0:17:33.196 Some things that she had to mess you. I nodded, 0:17:33.276 --> 0:17:36.156 I listened. She had at leamya sent where you want 0:17:36.196 --> 0:17:38.996 your own It's gonna be some directionous I need you 0:17:39.076 --> 0:17:42.396 to follow, will never again exception. I nodded. She helped 0:17:42.436 --> 0:17:48.636 me and wished I would be protective. I can be 0:17:49.156 --> 0:18:07.676 anything I want, always used to. I can be on 0:18:07.836 --> 0:18:11.196 my sucker friendship. Since I was a feitis pulling up 0:18:11.276 --> 0:18:13.356 at the dock in the minds to six or six 0:18:13.556 --> 0:18:16.316 and my dad was tripping back in against her contacts. 0:18:16.596 --> 0:18:19.516 Light blue in the bag, mamma getting labor paint drop. 0:18:19.676 --> 0:18:21.756 My sister in the bows like house was twenty three 0:18:22.276 --> 0:18:25.916 sweat tripping down the Faceide river, running free don moning 0:18:25.996 --> 0:18:28.476 with the farm pointing in and out the trees every 0:18:28.556 --> 0:18:31.516 moment through their eyes seeming zoom at lightspeed. Before me, 0:18:31.916 --> 0:18:34.756 she lost was still on tragedy, gritting the teeth down 0:18:34.836 --> 0:18:37.596 to the roof, paint like a cavity, poning hands like 0:18:37.756 --> 0:18:41.156 the glue. Radio Channel one news Valentine's with an ex 0:18:41.276 --> 0:18:43.436 up on the calendar. They n I would be a 0:18:43.516 --> 0:18:46.996 fucking bullet, lightning posters on the wall, A little stain 0:18:47.076 --> 0:18:50.036 could be the beauty in it all. The midstarted trouble. 0:18:50.116 --> 0:18:52.996 Most get luck was rubbing noll, sticking to your light mass. 0:18:53.076 --> 0:19:28.036 You might kate, you might bra for hever. Sound strings 0:19:28.076 --> 0:19:31.156 are so cool, really cool, that one's different too, because 0:19:32.116 --> 0:19:34.956 the beat was just sent to us. It's Chad hugo, 0:19:35.756 --> 0:19:38.316 wow really, oh this is this is cool and we 0:19:38.516 --> 0:19:40.836 killed it. I love it. It's so good. We had 0:19:40.916 --> 0:19:43.876 lyrics for we had the lyrics already for the verses 0:19:44.236 --> 0:19:47.476 for another song that we couldn't finish, and then Dom 0:19:47.596 --> 0:19:49.476 had the idea of just putting this verse on that track. 0:19:49.636 --> 0:19:51.156 And did it come in with all of it like 0:19:51.316 --> 0:19:53.836 all like that? Yeah? I think the only thing. Uh. 0:19:54.516 --> 0:19:57.076 I think Baird did some additional like drum programming on it, 0:19:57.196 --> 0:20:00.676 and then I think Chad wanted to like add some 0:20:00.876 --> 0:20:04.076 strings at the end, like live strings, but we ended 0:20:04.156 --> 0:20:08.516 up liking the program strings more. It's so good. It's 0:20:08.556 --> 0:20:13.276 cool because like it feels like it comes in hard 0:20:13.396 --> 0:20:15.436 hip hop. Yeah, but as soon as you hear the 0:20:15.556 --> 0:20:19.196 chord changes, it's got this like wistful energy, completely different 0:20:19.756 --> 0:20:23.116 and the two together makes it really new. So good, 0:20:23.476 --> 0:20:27.076 so good, and the strings are great. Love it. Good work. Chat. 0:20:28.996 --> 0:20:30.716 When you first heard the track, did you know that 0:20:30.996 --> 0:20:32.556 you want to do something with it? I think it 0:20:32.676 --> 0:20:34.636 scared me at first a little bit because it I'm 0:20:34.716 --> 0:20:36.876 just so used to our sound. Yeah, you know, so 0:20:36.996 --> 0:20:39.676 hearing something that is out of our world a little bit. 0:20:39.956 --> 0:20:42.236 There's some fear there, and then once I realized I 0:20:42.316 --> 0:20:43.836 was scared of I kind of like just leaned into it, 0:20:43.876 --> 0:20:45.516 and this will actually be kind of cool on the album. 0:20:45.716 --> 0:20:47.956 It's great and it sounds really good coming after what 0:20:48.076 --> 0:20:51.236 it came after. It really works in the sequence. It's 0:20:51.316 --> 0:20:55.756 good man, beautiful song. Thanks. How the lyrics typically come 0:20:55.796 --> 0:20:59.796 to you, I guess I usually follow the sound of 0:20:59.836 --> 0:21:03.796 the track, and like whatever emotion the track pulls out 0:21:03.836 --> 0:21:05.836 of me, I'll kind of like lean into that and 0:21:06.236 --> 0:21:09.756 follow that. Will you start with cadence before you start 0:21:09.796 --> 0:21:15.036 thinking about words? Usually always cadence or melody. On this album, 0:21:15.076 --> 0:21:18.276 I was thinking about the words first. Actually just again 0:21:18.396 --> 0:21:21.276 just trying something different, saying where I would land? You know, 0:21:21.836 --> 0:21:24.436 would you write lyrics independently of writing to the track, 0:21:24.596 --> 0:21:26.596 Like would you just write if you hear a phrase 0:21:26.716 --> 0:21:28.116 or if you come up with a phrase, would you 0:21:28.516 --> 0:21:31.076 have a note of I think I would hear like 0:21:31.796 --> 0:21:33.556 we'd all be in the room together, the track would 0:21:33.556 --> 0:21:36.356 be planned, and I would like just leave the room 0:21:36.396 --> 0:21:38.436 and walk around the house or the neighborhood or something 0:21:38.476 --> 0:21:41.556 and just like think of lines that felt true to 0:21:41.636 --> 0:21:44.516 the emotion that the track pulled out of me, you know, 0:21:45.076 --> 0:21:46.996 and that and I wasn't thinking about cadence though. I 0:21:47.076 --> 0:21:48.476 was just thinking about like what do I want to 0:21:48.516 --> 0:21:50.596 say and what does a song need me to say? 0:21:50.836 --> 0:21:52.956 You know? And am I even needed on the song 0:21:53.116 --> 0:21:55.476 that kind of thing? Which would be helpful though, because 0:21:55.476 --> 0:21:57.596 then once I had a better idea of what I 0:21:57.716 --> 0:21:59.356 was trying to say, I could go in and listen 0:21:59.396 --> 0:22:01.996 to the other verses from the guys and give a 0:22:03.036 --> 0:22:07.796 more like useful critique, constructive. It wasn't so like do 0:22:07.956 --> 0:22:10.156 I like it or not? Different, different approach for me. 0:22:10.676 --> 0:22:13.436 And it starts with you writing, how do you decide 0:22:13.716 --> 0:22:18.036 whether it fits into the Brockhampton world, whether it fits 0:22:18.076 --> 0:22:21.756 into Kevin abstract solo. I think it's an emotion thing 0:22:21.916 --> 0:22:25.276 as well, like emotionally, if it feels like so true 0:22:25.316 --> 0:22:28.476 to me and something like like more personal, more personal, 0:22:28.636 --> 0:22:32.396 more vulnerable, I might want to save it for my 0:22:32.516 --> 0:22:37.276 own thing. Makes sense. Personal statement, Yeah, that's what your 0:22:37.276 --> 0:22:40.516 album is, makes sense? Yeah, But sometimes I like being 0:22:40.556 --> 0:22:43.156 super personal in the group stuff too, because I feel 0:22:43.196 --> 0:22:45.436 like the guys like protect me in the way, you know, 0:22:45.716 --> 0:22:48.956 and like having them like stand next to me makes 0:22:48.996 --> 0:22:51.236 me feel a little bit more comfortable with saying something 0:22:51.316 --> 0:22:53.836 that I might not be comfortable with saying on like 0:22:53.916 --> 0:22:58.036 a on my own song or something interesting. So in general, 0:22:58.356 --> 0:23:02.596 on this album, the lyrics always started based on the music. 0:23:03.276 --> 0:23:06.316 Like you'd hear the music, you'd find the emotion in it, 0:23:07.076 --> 0:23:08.596 and then you think about what you want to say 0:23:08.796 --> 0:23:11.036 and then it would build from there. There's some songs 0:23:11.076 --> 0:23:13.396 where it was like, I want to make a song 0:23:13.476 --> 0:23:18.076 where like I where there's like aggression, and we didn't 0:23:18.076 --> 0:23:19.676 have the track yet, so it was just listening to 0:23:19.756 --> 0:23:21.276 a bunch of music and then you find that one 0:23:21.316 --> 0:23:23.196 sample it's like, oh, that's it, you know, and then 0:23:23.236 --> 0:23:24.676 I can go and write my rap based off that 0:23:24.876 --> 0:23:27.276 I see. It would always be the energy. It would 0:23:27.316 --> 0:23:30.876 never be like the words or the or the phrasing 0:23:30.956 --> 0:23:32.876 that you would have in advance. It would be more 0:23:32.956 --> 0:23:36.196 like the emotion. The emotion, and then you would find 0:23:36.556 --> 0:23:39.956 music that captures that emotion and then write to that exactly. 0:23:40.156 --> 0:23:42.076 It's interesting to talk about because there's no right way 0:23:42.116 --> 0:23:45.516 to do it. Everyone finds their way in and sometimes 0:23:45.556 --> 0:23:48.916 when we're listening to music, knowing what the artist was 0:23:48.996 --> 0:23:51.156 thinking or what the process is just gives more like 0:23:52.196 --> 0:23:54.796 I wouldn't say it changes the listening experience, but just 0:23:54.996 --> 0:23:58.236 maybe can deepen it. Yeah, my first goal is to 0:23:58.356 --> 0:24:01.636 make a pop record like just like big pop songs, 0:24:02.036 --> 0:24:05.836 super melodic, fun and just like summertime, because I feel 0:24:05.836 --> 0:24:09.716 like the last one was pretty sad. And then as 0:24:09.756 --> 0:24:11.596