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Brockhampton's original members formed after posting on 10 00:00:59,716 --> 00:01:03,756 Speaker 1: a Kanye West fan message board and started making music 11 00:01:03,836 --> 00:01:07,796 Speaker 1: in the Woodlands, Texas, a pretty unassuming suburb of Houston. 12 00:01:08,636 --> 00:01:11,236 Speaker 1: Since that time, they've turned the idea of a boy 13 00:01:11,316 --> 00:01:15,116 Speaker 1: band on its head. With as many as fourteen members 14 00:01:15,116 --> 00:01:19,596 Speaker 1: at times, Brockhampton's deconstructed the traditional pop star rap ethos 15 00:01:20,156 --> 00:01:24,756 Speaker 1: by being unapologetically inclusive of racial and sexual identities and 16 00:01:24,876 --> 00:01:29,676 Speaker 1: not letting any one sound define them. Today, Brockhampton's frontman 17 00:01:29,796 --> 00:01:34,316 Speaker 1: Kevin Abstract, talks through the group's sixth and latest album, Roadrunner, 18 00:01:34,516 --> 00:01:37,956 Speaker 1: New Light, New Machine, with Rick grouping in an effort 19 00:01:37,996 --> 00:01:41,476 Speaker 1: to recapture the spontaneity of their early career. The group 20 00:01:41,556 --> 00:01:45,556 Speaker 1: all crashed together at Kevin's house while recording their new album, 21 00:01:45,636 --> 00:01:48,356 Speaker 1: We'll Hear Kevin talk about how the projects slowly evolved 22 00:01:48,356 --> 00:01:51,796 Speaker 1: from a pop album to something darker and more rapp driven. 23 00:01:52,356 --> 00:01:55,116 Speaker 1: Kevin also explains how supporting one of the group's members 24 00:01:55,276 --> 00:01:59,516 Speaker 1: through losing their dad became the album's creative thrust, and 25 00:01:59,596 --> 00:02:02,956 Speaker 1: talks about why their next album will probably be their last. 26 00:02:06,916 --> 00:02:09,596 Speaker 1: This is broken record liner notes for the digit age. 27 00:02:09,836 --> 00:02:19,076 Speaker 1: I'm justin Mitchman. Here's Rick Rubin with Brockhampton's Kevin Abstract. 28 00:02:20,356 --> 00:02:23,356 Speaker 1: What's been going on since the Sunny Lads? The last 29 00:02:23,396 --> 00:02:25,756 Speaker 1: time I saw you had like a super early version 30 00:02:25,756 --> 00:02:28,916 Speaker 1: of the album, and then we just started working super 31 00:02:28,956 --> 00:02:31,236 Speaker 1: hard on it right after. Even then, I remember you 32 00:02:31,356 --> 00:02:35,036 Speaker 1: had already been working on it for the longest ever. Yeah, 33 00:02:35,076 --> 00:02:37,876 Speaker 1: like two years, which is a very long time for us. Yeah, 34 00:02:37,956 --> 00:02:41,996 Speaker 1: because usually it's like, who's been six months at most? 35 00:02:42,396 --> 00:02:44,876 Speaker 1: Like that will be long for us. So two years 36 00:02:44,916 --> 00:02:46,836 Speaker 1: was a lot. But you were so excited off of 37 00:02:46,836 --> 00:02:50,156 Speaker 1: the like the more rap driven stuff. Yeah, so may 38 00:02:50,196 --> 00:02:52,116 Speaker 1: it's just like going and make a bunch of rap stuff. 39 00:02:52,156 --> 00:02:53,676 Speaker 1: It seemed like you had the same Like when we 40 00:02:53,676 --> 00:02:56,316 Speaker 1: were listening to it together. I don't think I was 41 00:02:56,356 --> 00:02:58,876 Speaker 1: alone in feeling that, Like I felt like I didn't 42 00:02:58,876 --> 00:03:02,276 Speaker 1: know it seemed obvious. Yeah, I agree. It just felt right, 43 00:03:02,716 --> 00:03:05,396 Speaker 1: just new for us really because the last album we 44 00:03:05,436 --> 00:03:06,956 Speaker 1: put out, our biggest song was like an R and 45 00:03:06,996 --> 00:03:09,436 Speaker 1: B song, So it was fun to do something that 46 00:03:09,516 --> 00:03:13,356 Speaker 1: was like super left. It was more challenging too, in 47 00:03:13,396 --> 00:03:17,276 Speaker 1: the group songs, how do the again, because there's so 48 00:03:17,316 --> 00:03:19,956 Speaker 1: many voices, How did decisions get made? How does it 49 00:03:20,036 --> 00:03:24,076 Speaker 1: end up being whatever it ends up being? Everyone shows 50 00:03:24,116 --> 00:03:26,596 Speaker 1: their ideas, Yeah, how do you do it? Keep the 51 00:03:26,676 --> 00:03:29,596 Speaker 1: mic on, and if anyone has something to say, you 52 00:03:29,676 --> 00:03:32,596 Speaker 1: just record it and we'll record all the ideas, everyone's ideas. 53 00:03:32,676 --> 00:03:35,036 Speaker 1: No one's like left out of that process. And then 54 00:03:36,036 --> 00:03:37,836 Speaker 1: then basically me and Romel will just sit there and 55 00:03:38,636 --> 00:03:40,396 Speaker 1: go through it and be like, oh, we think the 56 00:03:40,396 --> 00:03:44,116 Speaker 1: song should be like this, Like this, like a thirty 57 00:03:44,156 --> 00:03:46,556 Speaker 1: two bar verse you did might make sense if we 58 00:03:46,676 --> 00:03:48,356 Speaker 1: chop it up and turn into a hook or something 59 00:03:48,396 --> 00:03:50,836 Speaker 1: and then maybe rerecord it and then it feels more 60 00:03:50,836 --> 00:03:53,396 Speaker 1: like a chorus or something, and it's kind of just 61 00:03:53,436 --> 00:03:57,956 Speaker 1: like just pure expression. Fun letting everyone just do their 62 00:03:57,996 --> 00:04:00,156 Speaker 1: thing whatever you gotta say, you know, and at that 63 00:04:00,196 --> 00:04:02,596 Speaker 1: point in time, would the song have a shape yet 64 00:04:02,636 --> 00:04:04,556 Speaker 1: or it would just be like a long track, a 65 00:04:04,596 --> 00:04:07,676 Speaker 1: long track, maybe a loop. I love starting without loops, 66 00:04:07,756 --> 00:04:10,516 Speaker 1: you know, just like a a vibe and then just 67 00:04:11,716 --> 00:04:15,956 Speaker 1: throwing ideas at the wall freestyle and passing the mic 68 00:04:15,996 --> 00:04:18,636 Speaker 1: around like just fun shit like that. And if you 69 00:04:18,876 --> 00:04:22,476 Speaker 1: before editing it, if you were to listen to all 70 00:04:22,516 --> 00:04:26,476 Speaker 1: of the ideas, might that be an hour of ideas 71 00:04:26,596 --> 00:04:29,036 Speaker 1: or ten minutes of ideas? I think it depends on 72 00:04:29,076 --> 00:04:31,836 Speaker 1: the energy of the room. Like if people are really 73 00:04:31,836 --> 00:04:35,156 Speaker 1: inspired the day, it might be like hours. Yeah. Sometimes 74 00:04:35,156 --> 00:04:37,356 Speaker 1: people will be freestyle and they nail their whole like 75 00:04:37,556 --> 00:04:41,756 Speaker 1: idea within that freestyle within like thirty seconds or something. 76 00:04:41,836 --> 00:04:45,556 Speaker 1: So it really just depends. It's an amazing ability the freestyle, 77 00:04:45,636 --> 00:04:48,596 Speaker 1: Like to get the freestyle that feels like I wouldn't 78 00:04:48,596 --> 00:04:51,916 Speaker 1: touch it right, and then it's incredible. When I was 79 00:04:51,956 --> 00:04:53,596 Speaker 1: a kid, someone told me, one of my friends told 80 00:04:53,636 --> 00:04:56,596 Speaker 1: me that Dre used to like let Snoop just freestyle 81 00:04:57,076 --> 00:05:00,036 Speaker 1: and then Dre would just like cut up the best 82 00:05:00,076 --> 00:05:02,036 Speaker 1: parts of the freestyle to make a verse. I don't 83 00:05:02,036 --> 00:05:05,036 Speaker 1: know if that's true or not, but like I just 84 00:05:05,116 --> 00:05:07,076 Speaker 1: held on to that for so long and applied it 85 00:05:07,156 --> 00:05:12,596 Speaker 1: to just making with Rockhampton. It's pretty fun, really cool. 86 00:05:12,916 --> 00:05:15,716 Speaker 1: Let's say you hear all the ideas and then you 87 00:05:15,996 --> 00:05:17,556 Speaker 1: have a vision of what it's going to be and 88 00:05:17,636 --> 00:05:22,356 Speaker 1: you edit it down. Might then someone come back around 89 00:05:22,396 --> 00:05:24,316 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, based on what it is now, I 90 00:05:24,316 --> 00:05:25,756 Speaker 1: have a new idea and I want to ed it in. 91 00:05:25,836 --> 00:05:28,516 Speaker 1: So that happens sometimes, Yes, that happens all the time. 92 00:05:28,756 --> 00:05:31,556 Speaker 1: And how often does the music change from the beginning, 93 00:05:32,036 --> 00:05:36,356 Speaker 1: from the when the vocals first, when the vocal ideas 94 00:05:36,396 --> 00:05:39,356 Speaker 1: first go on the track? How often does the music 95 00:05:39,436 --> 00:05:44,916 Speaker 1: change after that? Almost every song? Really? Yeah, almost because 96 00:05:44,956 --> 00:05:47,156 Speaker 1: it happens to me is like I'll like it when 97 00:05:47,156 --> 00:05:49,836 Speaker 1: we're making it, but then like this feels kind of 98 00:05:49,876 --> 00:05:52,116 Speaker 1: generic or feel stale. I think it's because I hear 99 00:05:52,156 --> 00:05:54,116 Speaker 1: it for so long in the room on loop where 100 00:05:54,076 --> 00:05:57,836 Speaker 1: everyone's writing, and I'll just be inspired to like take 101 00:05:57,836 --> 00:06:02,076 Speaker 1: it to a completely different place, which sometimes doesn't make sense, 102 00:06:02,076 --> 00:06:04,196 Speaker 1: and then we stick with the original. Yeah, so that's 103 00:06:04,196 --> 00:06:07,276 Speaker 1: why I like, sometimes it stays there, but usually we 104 00:06:07,316 --> 00:06:11,276 Speaker 1: always end up somewhere else. It probably has an interesting 105 00:06:11,316 --> 00:06:15,356 Speaker 1: effect on the vocals too. When you write to one 106 00:06:15,476 --> 00:06:21,156 Speaker 1: thing and then change the music, I imagine it could 107 00:06:22,076 --> 00:06:24,876 Speaker 1: bring out something different in the vocals than was originally 108 00:06:24,916 --> 00:06:28,916 Speaker 1: there always Yeah, and sometimes it sounds awful A little 109 00:06:28,916 --> 00:06:30,716 Speaker 1: bit about like that too. Yeah, it could be it 110 00:06:30,716 --> 00:06:33,116 Speaker 1: could It could really make sense in a in an 111 00:06:33,116 --> 00:06:36,596 Speaker 1: awful way, cold interesting. Maybe we start listening. I'm really 112 00:06:36,636 --> 00:06:38,996 Speaker 1: I'm anxious to kind of hear where it ended up. 113 00:06:44,236 --> 00:06:49,556 Speaker 1: I ge my mom's though in the same house my 114 00:06:49,636 --> 00:06:55,076 Speaker 1: dad died in all alone. Trying not to be paranoid, 115 00:06:55,156 --> 00:07:00,636 Speaker 1: trying not as they're calling it. Every headline is a 116 00:07:00,636 --> 00:07:07,276 Speaker 1: reminder that the world's fucked. So I'm just trying to 117 00:07:07,276 --> 00:07:15,396 Speaker 1: see the light in between the clouds. Still love that 118 00:07:15,516 --> 00:07:22,636 Speaker 1: sunshine of When I look at myself, I see a 119 00:07:22,716 --> 00:07:26,196 Speaker 1: broken man rimmingtop my pots, put the glop to his head. 120 00:07:26,556 --> 00:07:30,396 Speaker 1: Nothing ever go as planned. Couldn't make amends forcibly pretend. 121 00:07:30,436 --> 00:07:34,156 Speaker 1: I don't give it. Damn at a loss, aimless, six 122 00:07:34,276 --> 00:07:39,076 Speaker 1: feet deep, suffocating, can't face it, can't change it, ain't 123 00:07:39,156 --> 00:07:42,276 Speaker 1: make it, master plans, father maker. I see no safor 124 00:07:42,636 --> 00:07:46,716 Speaker 1: over reflection. It is sainless, still alcohol and pills, deadly combination, 125 00:07:46,836 --> 00:07:49,476 Speaker 1: left with nothing else the middle of floral Haven. Hope 126 00:07:49,476 --> 00:07:51,876 Speaker 1: it was painless. I see you in the faces places, 127 00:07:51,996 --> 00:07:54,916 Speaker 1: and I make it. Reflections off the broken here, fragments 128 00:07:54,956 --> 00:07:57,356 Speaker 1: of my fiends let ring back like who's there. I 129 00:07:57,356 --> 00:07:59,996 Speaker 1: can't stand myself beside myself. I see you there, I 130 00:08:00,076 --> 00:08:02,756 Speaker 1: know you care. Felt nothing since September when I heard 131 00:08:02,756 --> 00:08:05,036 Speaker 1: the news. What I do to speak one last time? 132 00:08:05,236 --> 00:08:08,036 Speaker 1: I think I always will be haunted by the women shumper, 133 00:08:08,116 --> 00:08:11,316 Speaker 1: bloody backdrop, school, fragments in the ceiling, through your presence 134 00:08:11,356 --> 00:08:14,436 Speaker 1: in the room her My mother is squilling, master up disguises, 135 00:08:14,476 --> 00:08:16,716 Speaker 1: ask the ass dust to dust. Boys behind my eye, 136 00:08:16,716 --> 00:08:20,636 Speaker 1: livest blacking out, bleading out, silence longer than it, twist tup, 137 00:08:20,756 --> 00:08:23,596 Speaker 1: lying as thick as our secret, shadow, people and needles 138 00:08:23,796 --> 00:08:26,676 Speaker 1: they can do with people. Then comes sorts to purgatory. 139 00:08:26,836 --> 00:08:39,796 Speaker 1: I miss you for the record. I can fly around 140 00:08:39,876 --> 00:08:51,436 Speaker 1: the world a sorry, lying something, sending something change and sexist. 141 00:08:51,596 --> 00:08:54,156 Speaker 1: I guess I've missed a message. Look, I missed my exit. 142 00:08:54,356 --> 00:08:57,036 Speaker 1: I'm living like the chests said. I was broken, desperate, 143 00:08:57,356 --> 00:08:59,876 Speaker 1: leaning on my best friends, only shot college. I was 144 00:08:59,956 --> 00:09:02,876 Speaker 1: around with bards, tended, ain't gonna loving his game in mind. 145 00:09:02,956 --> 00:09:05,396 Speaker 1: This is na tennis. Take your shoes off. We just 146 00:09:05,516 --> 00:09:08,516 Speaker 1: did the kurd pitson. I can take the hacking, I 147 00:09:08,596 --> 00:09:11,396 Speaker 1: can take the praising. It's all enjoys to me. I'll 148 00:09:11,396 --> 00:09:14,716 Speaker 1: turn them to say, y'all soogetting the matrix, rid meal, 149 00:09:14,756 --> 00:09:17,956 Speaker 1: blue peel on these different faces, on these different cases. 150 00:09:18,036 --> 00:09:20,396 Speaker 1: She gotta see me naked. So I'm aware when I 151 00:09:20,516 --> 00:09:23,116 Speaker 1: went down and I ain't been a faking ain't gotta 152 00:09:23,236 --> 00:09:25,996 Speaker 1: me the ain't got I see God. Last summer I 153 00:09:26,156 --> 00:09:28,756 Speaker 1: was sitting on the bridge. I see all y'all under me. 154 00:09:29,156 --> 00:09:31,596 Speaker 1: Know y'are struggle, lin It gets out here shugger ling 155 00:09:31,796 --> 00:09:33,876 Speaker 1: who's in jobs? When who's in God? And everything is 156 00:09:33,916 --> 00:09:37,756 Speaker 1: super link feel heaving, rubbing, legal raptures coming. I love 157 00:09:37,836 --> 00:09:40,876 Speaker 1: the attention. I'm a bad sitting public. I'm still struggle 158 00:09:40,916 --> 00:09:43,036 Speaker 1: with selling my mind who I'm in love with some 159 00:09:43,196 --> 00:09:46,996 Speaker 1: those seas in between wadies, i'mons bleed. When Thanksgiving come around, 160 00:09:47,156 --> 00:09:49,636 Speaker 1: I still don't see him. But Christmas go around there, 161 00:09:49,716 --> 00:09:51,996 Speaker 1: y'all still don't see him from the world. Who I 162 00:09:52,196 --> 00:09:54,036 Speaker 1: was before I got to know Eve. To give my 163 00:09:54,156 --> 00:09:56,956 Speaker 1: people money in the shange for the freedom I would 164 00:09:57,036 --> 00:10:11,196 Speaker 1: give me God back for a chance free him? Where 165 00:10:11,196 --> 00:10:15,076 Speaker 1: did the sample at the beginning the talking sample come from. 166 00:10:15,476 --> 00:10:18,316 Speaker 1: I was listening to two thousand and one by Dre 167 00:10:18,876 --> 00:10:23,436 Speaker 1: like every day while working on this album, and I 168 00:10:23,516 --> 00:10:26,796 Speaker 1: think it's the beginning of fuck You. There's like this us, 169 00:10:26,836 --> 00:10:29,196 Speaker 1: this girl talking on the phone, and as though it 170 00:10:29,196 --> 00:10:31,876 Speaker 1: would be cool to have let the audience know this 171 00:10:32,076 --> 00:10:34,596 Speaker 1: is like where the journey starts, where the story starts, 172 00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:38,436 Speaker 1: like really with the album. So I just called Joba. 173 00:10:38,636 --> 00:10:41,036 Speaker 1: He's on the first verse, and the album's pretty much 174 00:10:41,036 --> 00:10:44,276 Speaker 1: about him losing his father basically, and us being there 175 00:10:44,436 --> 00:10:49,076 Speaker 1: to support him and like following him towards the light 176 00:10:49,236 --> 00:10:51,956 Speaker 1: and him sometimes following us towards the light, like just 177 00:10:52,556 --> 00:10:54,916 Speaker 1: this idea of brotherhood and all that kind of stuff. 178 00:10:55,356 --> 00:10:57,316 Speaker 1: So I just called him and just put the phone 179 00:10:57,356 --> 00:10:59,436 Speaker 1: next to the mic and like interview them and talk 180 00:10:59,556 --> 00:11:02,796 Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes kind of, And then he sat 181 00:11:02,836 --> 00:11:05,516 Speaker 1: with us and we picked the moment that kind of 182 00:11:05,556 --> 00:11:08,476 Speaker 1: like summed up the song the best and then just 183 00:11:08,676 --> 00:11:12,116 Speaker 1: made made so much sense. It's so cool and it 184 00:11:12,436 --> 00:11:15,756 Speaker 1: just feels so personal and real, and he was getting 185 00:11:15,876 --> 00:11:18,196 Speaker 1: very very honest in the call. It was feeling just 186 00:11:18,276 --> 00:11:21,276 Speaker 1: walking around like you feel it, smoking, talking, opening up. 187 00:11:21,356 --> 00:11:25,356 Speaker 1: It was very beautiful, very beautiful, and I love the music. 188 00:11:25,476 --> 00:11:28,236 Speaker 1: It's so cool. Sounds like what was the inspiration do 189 00:11:28,276 --> 00:11:30,156 Speaker 1: you know? For the for the music? The original song 190 00:11:30,236 --> 00:11:33,076 Speaker 1: was like eight minutes long, and everybody was on everyone 191 00:11:33,116 --> 00:11:35,316 Speaker 1: in the group, and it was it was very hard, 192 00:11:35,356 --> 00:11:37,076 Speaker 1: but it was slow. And then there was this moment 193 00:11:37,516 --> 00:11:39,996 Speaker 1: where where Job's verse, when I heard it, was like, 194 00:11:39,996 --> 00:11:42,196 Speaker 1: it'd be cool if it just like if we got 195 00:11:42,236 --> 00:11:45,916 Speaker 1: super like sixties like rockish and like a full on 196 00:11:45,956 --> 00:11:48,036 Speaker 1: departure from what the original song was and originals like 197 00:11:48,076 --> 00:11:51,876 Speaker 1: a kind of like nineties rap, but like modern drums 198 00:11:51,956 --> 00:11:54,556 Speaker 1: on it, like mood wise, And we all ended up 199 00:11:54,636 --> 00:11:57,596 Speaker 1: liking Job's verse over this like rock sample so much 200 00:11:57,716 --> 00:11:59,876 Speaker 1: that we just ended up making the whole song be that. 201 00:12:00,036 --> 00:12:03,756 Speaker 1: And then our friend Bared him and his brother like 202 00:12:03,916 --> 00:12:07,436 Speaker 1: redid the sample in terms of mood. They made like 203 00:12:07,596 --> 00:12:10,076 Speaker 1: a new version of it, and that ended up being 204 00:12:11,156 --> 00:12:13,116 Speaker 1: that song. And that's that's my favorite on that too. 205 00:12:13,276 --> 00:12:16,796 Speaker 1: It's so cool. It's so cool. So it reminds me 206 00:12:16,916 --> 00:12:20,316 Speaker 1: like an Italian horror movie, you know, like sixties Italian 207 00:12:20,356 --> 00:12:24,636 Speaker 1: horror movies. Dario Argento Mario Bava, those kind of movies 208 00:12:24,756 --> 00:12:29,236 Speaker 1: like from another like from another time and from another place, 209 00:12:29,676 --> 00:12:33,356 Speaker 1: but rock but from another place, you know, like if 210 00:12:33,436 --> 00:12:37,196 Speaker 1: it has that international flavor, that's cool, it's really cool. 211 00:12:37,276 --> 00:12:40,236 Speaker 1: We had retro futurism written out and we had that 212 00:12:40,316 --> 00:12:41,796 Speaker 1: on the wall on the studio, and that's kind of 213 00:12:41,796 --> 00:12:43,516 Speaker 1: like the idea. So like if you hear the album 214 00:12:43,596 --> 00:12:46,036 Speaker 1: or like the videos, you don't really know what time 215 00:12:46,076 --> 00:12:48,356 Speaker 1: period is from. It could be like supermodern, it could 216 00:12:48,356 --> 00:12:50,276 Speaker 1: be assalgic, like a mix of it kind of wanted 217 00:12:50,476 --> 00:12:54,836 Speaker 1: super cool and it sounds almost like retro sci fi like, look, 218 00:12:54,876 --> 00:12:57,836 Speaker 1: that could be a sci fi music from a seventies 219 00:12:57,876 --> 00:13:01,036 Speaker 1: sci fi movie. Yeah, that's also the other thing we're chasing. 220 00:13:01,196 --> 00:13:03,276 Speaker 1: Cool that you hear that. Yeah, if you feel it, 221 00:13:03,556 --> 00:13:08,676 Speaker 1: it's great. Shoot the next one, a million metal piece, 222 00:13:09,956 --> 00:13:14,276 Speaker 1: all that up to nothing, lady, swim with it, my 223 00:13:14,556 --> 00:13:21,116 Speaker 1: bast shie, something like a salabration. We'll see a gage. 224 00:13:26,116 --> 00:13:32,316 Speaker 1: We'll see a gage. I know, my sweet, I could 225 00:13:32,916 --> 00:13:35,356 Speaker 1: see this house and I if I can swallow my 226 00:13:35,476 --> 00:13:37,916 Speaker 1: pride with you and me when you roll and it's 227 00:13:37,996 --> 00:13:40,236 Speaker 1: easy to just skip it flipping out and you girl, 228 00:13:40,476 --> 00:13:42,836 Speaker 1: maybe I wouldn't be so pissed when you came for 229 00:13:42,956 --> 00:13:46,156 Speaker 1: my group, getting the only kitchen table. Make sure everyone 230 00:13:46,276 --> 00:13:49,796 Speaker 1: know I made my Sunday mornings feel like Friday nights. 231 00:13:49,836 --> 00:13:52,796 Speaker 1: I'll be like booming my house and any Friday lights, 232 00:13:52,836 --> 00:13:55,396 Speaker 1: ready to pounce on any pussy. Ain't spitch, come for 233 00:13:55,476 --> 00:13:57,996 Speaker 1: my life. I'm kind of ballad day. I'm trying of 234 00:13:58,076 --> 00:14:00,796 Speaker 1: wondering what the funk I gotta notice seeing you you 235 00:14:00,916 --> 00:14:03,436 Speaker 1: ain't any ship for years. I can't be and see you. 236 00:14:03,756 --> 00:14:05,996 Speaker 1: How to speech with saying come on my hands. I 237 00:14:06,156 --> 00:14:10,956 Speaker 1: brave everything I say't be getting enough. You feel pieces 238 00:14:11,876 --> 00:14:17,996 Speaker 1: fall out to nothing, swim within my best sheets. It's 239 00:14:18,076 --> 00:14:29,316 Speaker 1: something like a celebration. Let's see engaging. We'll see engaging. 240 00:14:33,876 --> 00:14:37,916 Speaker 1: I stay running from something I can't see, true colors, 241 00:14:38,036 --> 00:14:41,596 Speaker 1: blinding fuck away from me, going in for something I 242 00:14:41,756 --> 00:14:47,036 Speaker 1: don't need. I leave to lives find me. Who's to blame? 243 00:14:47,316 --> 00:14:50,836 Speaker 1: Who's to say? I leave, forced to change, forced to 244 00:14:50,956 --> 00:14:55,996 Speaker 1: face my seat break, a big breaking in timely but 245 00:14:56,276 --> 00:14:58,956 Speaker 1: on my home. But I've been feeling a lot. I 246 00:14:59,116 --> 00:15:03,396 Speaker 1: gotta go. Don't ask why watch the dollar nose and 247 00:15:03,556 --> 00:15:07,556 Speaker 1: the dun fly either way goals scribbled out of line 248 00:15:07,956 --> 00:15:23,876 Speaker 1: get on the shots pieces my best sheets, so we 249 00:15:24,076 --> 00:15:40,996 Speaker 1: see so cool. Thanks great, That's one of my favorites. 250 00:15:41,196 --> 00:15:44,396 Speaker 1: It's really unlike everything else, but it still fits in 251 00:15:44,476 --> 00:15:46,276 Speaker 1: as beautiful. I love it. I think it was just 252 00:15:46,396 --> 00:15:49,116 Speaker 1: it was a loop. I think like Romel had a 253 00:15:49,196 --> 00:15:52,276 Speaker 1: plan and Joe was just there on the mic and 254 00:15:52,436 --> 00:15:54,596 Speaker 1: like he showed me as his verse in the hook 255 00:15:54,636 --> 00:15:56,676 Speaker 1: and I don't think he knew what it was yet. Dude, 256 00:15:56,676 --> 00:15:58,716 Speaker 1: already have all the guitars on it now. All the 257 00:15:58,796 --> 00:16:01,036 Speaker 1: guitars were just like it was a I don't even 258 00:16:01,076 --> 00:16:04,156 Speaker 1: know if what was playing like stayed on the track 259 00:16:04,676 --> 00:16:06,636 Speaker 1: because we redid a lot of the guitars and stuff. 260 00:16:06,836 --> 00:16:09,796 Speaker 1: But it had a rock feel like this not even 261 00:16:09,836 --> 00:16:13,116 Speaker 1: it was very like indie bedroom Phil. Yeah, you know, 262 00:16:13,396 --> 00:16:17,076 Speaker 1: like there was like a drum break and uh and 263 00:16:17,236 --> 00:16:18,796 Speaker 1: like a lead guitar and I think we're all just 264 00:16:18,836 --> 00:16:21,156 Speaker 1: like writing so that it was moodier. It was closer 265 00:16:21,236 --> 00:16:23,876 Speaker 1: to like the how the song kind of starts. It's 266 00:16:23,956 --> 00:16:27,356 Speaker 1: so cool, and also the songwriting styles really different, Like 267 00:16:27,436 --> 00:16:29,636 Speaker 1: it's not rapping, it's not pop, you know, it's like 268 00:16:29,756 --> 00:16:33,476 Speaker 1: it's just a whole different more rock really, but it 269 00:16:33,596 --> 00:16:36,196 Speaker 1: fits that's like just what I want to hear from us. 270 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:39,716 Speaker 1: It works. Thanks. We'll be right back with more from 271 00:16:39,796 --> 00:16:44,916 Speaker 1: Kevin Abstract and Rick Rubin. After a quick break, we're 272 00:16:44,996 --> 00:16:49,356 Speaker 1: back with more Rick Rubin's conversation with Kevin Abstract. But first, 273 00:16:49,756 --> 00:16:53,236 Speaker 1: here's their new song when Eyeball from Roadrunner, New Light, 274 00:16:53,516 --> 00:16:59,596 Speaker 1: New Machine. My mama said, I did ain't coming to 275 00:16:59,756 --> 00:17:01,756 Speaker 1: the square. I would see us. It's that I'm welcome. 276 00:17:01,836 --> 00:17:05,396 Speaker 1: How I open eyes and open a few things that 277 00:17:05,436 --> 00:17:10,036 Speaker 1: couldn't be repaired. We saw shut up fair. Some things 278 00:17:10,076 --> 00:17:11,836 Speaker 1: you don't get to the side of just the face 279 00:17:11,876 --> 00:17:14,036 Speaker 1: you share. I used to try to hold the weight 280 00:17:14,076 --> 00:17:16,476 Speaker 1: that she would need to bed. Why shaw was going on? 281 00:17:16,636 --> 00:17:18,956 Speaker 1: They came for a couple of years. When they came 282 00:17:19,036 --> 00:17:21,076 Speaker 1: back and needed the clothes, I had no souvenese. I 283 00:17:21,196 --> 00:17:23,916 Speaker 1: pick up the phone. They're calling us from correction. But 284 00:17:24,076 --> 00:17:26,876 Speaker 1: nothing is wrong. It's feeling my heart with questions. My 285 00:17:27,036 --> 00:17:30,836 Speaker 1: mama saw them following my heart expressions, the dropping a tongue. 286 00:17:30,876 --> 00:17:33,196 Speaker 1: Some things that she had to mess you. I nodded, 287 00:17:33,276 --> 00:17:36,156 Speaker 1: I listened. She had at leamya sent where you want 288 00:17:36,196 --> 00:17:38,996 Speaker 1: your own It's gonna be some directionous I need you 289 00:17:39,076 --> 00:17:42,396 Speaker 1: to follow, will never again exception. I nodded. She helped 290 00:17:42,436 --> 00:17:48,636 Speaker 1: me and wished I would be protective. I can be 291 00:17:49,156 --> 00:18:07,676 Speaker 1: anything I want, always used to. I can be on 292 00:18:07,836 --> 00:18:11,196 Speaker 1: my sucker friendship. Since I was a feitis pulling up 293 00:18:11,276 --> 00:18:13,356 Speaker 1: at the dock in the minds to six or six 294 00:18:13,556 --> 00:18:16,316 Speaker 1: and my dad was tripping back in against her contacts. 295 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:19,516 Speaker 1: Light blue in the bag, mamma getting labor paint drop. 296 00:18:19,676 --> 00:18:21,756 Speaker 1: My sister in the bows like house was twenty three 297 00:18:22,276 --> 00:18:25,916 Speaker 1: sweat tripping down the Faceide river, running free don moning 298 00:18:25,996 --> 00:18:28,476 Speaker 1: with the farm pointing in and out the trees every 299 00:18:28,556 --> 00:18:31,516 Speaker 1: moment through their eyes seeming zoom at lightspeed. Before me, 300 00:18:31,916 --> 00:18:34,756 Speaker 1: she lost was still on tragedy, gritting the teeth down 301 00:18:34,836 --> 00:18:37,596 Speaker 1: to the roof, paint like a cavity, poning hands like 302 00:18:37,756 --> 00:18:41,156 Speaker 1: the glue. Radio Channel one news Valentine's with an ex 303 00:18:41,276 --> 00:18:43,436 Speaker 1: up on the calendar. They n I would be a 304 00:18:43,516 --> 00:18:46,996 Speaker 1: fucking bullet, lightning posters on the wall, A little stain 305 00:18:47,076 --> 00:18:50,036 Speaker 1: could be the beauty in it all. The midstarted trouble. 306 00:18:50,116 --> 00:18:52,996 Speaker 1: Most get luck was rubbing noll, sticking to your light mass. 307 00:18:53,076 --> 00:19:28,036 Speaker 1: You might kate, you might bra for hever. Sound strings 308 00:19:28,076 --> 00:19:31,156 Speaker 1: are so cool, really cool, that one's different too, because 309 00:19:32,116 --> 00:19:34,956 Speaker 1: the beat was just sent to us. It's Chad hugo, 310 00:19:35,756 --> 00:19:38,316 Speaker 1: wow really, oh this is this is cool and we 311 00:19:38,516 --> 00:19:40,836 Speaker 1: killed it. I love it. It's so good. We had 312 00:19:40,916 --> 00:19:43,876 Speaker 1: lyrics for we had the lyrics already for the verses 313 00:19:44,236 --> 00:19:47,476 Speaker 1: for another song that we couldn't finish, and then Dom 314 00:19:47,596 --> 00:19:49,476 Speaker 1: had the idea of just putting this verse on that track. 315 00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:51,156 Speaker 1: And did it come in with all of it like 316 00:19:51,316 --> 00:19:53,836 Speaker 1: all like that? Yeah? I think the only thing. Uh. 317 00:19:54,516 --> 00:19:57,076 Speaker 1: I think Baird did some additional like drum programming on it, 318 00:19:57,196 --> 00:20:00,676 Speaker 1: and then I think Chad wanted to like add some 319 00:20:00,876 --> 00:20:04,076 Speaker 1: strings at the end, like live strings, but we ended 320 00:20:04,156 --> 00:20:08,516 Speaker 1: up liking the program strings more. It's so good. It's 321 00:20:08,556 --> 00:20:13,276 Speaker 1: cool because like it feels like it comes in hard 322 00:20:13,396 --> 00:20:15,436 Speaker 1: hip hop. Yeah, but as soon as you hear the 323 00:20:15,556 --> 00:20:19,196 Speaker 1: chord changes, it's got this like wistful energy, completely different 324 00:20:19,756 --> 00:20:23,116 Speaker 1: and the two together makes it really new. So good, 325 00:20:23,476 --> 00:20:27,076 Speaker 1: so good, and the strings are great. Love it. Good work. Chat. 326 00:20:28,996 --> 00:20:30,716 Speaker 1: When you first heard the track, did you know that 327 00:20:30,996 --> 00:20:32,556 Speaker 1: you want to do something with it? I think it 328 00:20:32,676 --> 00:20:34,636 Speaker 1: scared me at first a little bit because it I'm 329 00:20:34,716 --> 00:20:36,876 Speaker 1: just so used to our sound. Yeah, you know, so 330 00:20:36,996 --> 00:20:39,676 Speaker 1: hearing something that is out of our world a little bit. 331 00:20:39,956 --> 00:20:42,236 Speaker 1: There's some fear there, and then once I realized I 332 00:20:42,316 --> 00:20:43,836 Speaker 1: was scared of I kind of like just leaned into it, 333 00:20:43,876 --> 00:20:45,516 Speaker 1: and this will actually be kind of cool on the album. 334 00:20:45,716 --> 00:20:47,956 Speaker 1: It's great and it sounds really good coming after what 335 00:20:48,076 --> 00:20:51,236 Speaker 1: it came after. It really works in the sequence. It's 336 00:20:51,316 --> 00:20:55,756 Speaker 1: good man, beautiful song. Thanks. How the lyrics typically come 337 00:20:55,796 --> 00:20:59,796 Speaker 1: to you, I guess I usually follow the sound of 338 00:20:59,836 --> 00:21:03,796 Speaker 1: the track, and like whatever emotion the track pulls out 339 00:21:03,836 --> 00:21:05,836 Speaker 1: of me, I'll kind of like lean into that and 340 00:21:06,236 --> 00:21:09,756 Speaker 1: follow that. Will you start with cadence before you start 341 00:21:09,796 --> 00:21:15,036 Speaker 1: thinking about words? Usually always cadence or melody. On this album, 342 00:21:15,076 --> 00:21:18,276 Speaker 1: I was thinking about the words first. Actually just again 343 00:21:18,396 --> 00:21:21,276 Speaker 1: just trying something different, saying where I would land? You know, 344 00:21:21,836 --> 00:21:24,436 Speaker 1: would you write lyrics independently of writing to the track, 345 00:21:24,596 --> 00:21:26,596 Speaker 1: Like would you just write if you hear a phrase 346 00:21:26,716 --> 00:21:28,116 Speaker 1: or if you come up with a phrase, would you 347 00:21:28,516 --> 00:21:31,076 Speaker 1: have a note of I think I would hear like 348 00:21:31,796 --> 00:21:33,556 Speaker 1: we'd all be in the room together, the track would 349 00:21:33,556 --> 00:21:36,356 Speaker 1: be planned, and I would like just leave the room 350 00:21:36,396 --> 00:21:38,436 Speaker 1: and walk around the house or the neighborhood or something 351 00:21:38,476 --> 00:21:41,556 Speaker 1: and just like think of lines that felt true to 352 00:21:41,636 --> 00:21:44,516 Speaker 1: the emotion that the track pulled out of me, you know, 353 00:21:45,076 --> 00:21:46,996 Speaker 1: and that and I wasn't thinking about cadence though. I 354 00:21:47,076 --> 00:21:48,476 Speaker 1: was just thinking about like what do I want to 355 00:21:48,516 --> 00:21:50,596 Speaker 1: say and what does a song need me to say? 356 00:21:50,836 --> 00:21:52,956 Speaker 1: You know? And am I even needed on the song 357 00:21:53,116 --> 00:21:55,476 Speaker 1: that kind of thing? Which would be helpful though, because 358 00:21:55,476 --> 00:21:57,596 Speaker 1: then once I had a better idea of what I 359 00:21:57,716 --> 00:21:59,356 Speaker 1: was trying to say, I could go in and listen 360 00:21:59,396 --> 00:22:01,996 Speaker 1: to the other verses from the guys and give a 361 00:22:03,036 --> 00:22:07,796 Speaker 1: more like useful critique, constructive. It wasn't so like do 362 00:22:07,956 --> 00:22:10,156 Speaker 1: I like it or not? Different, different approach for me. 363 00:22:10,676 --> 00:22:13,436 Speaker 1: And it starts with you writing, how do you decide 364 00:22:13,716 --> 00:22:18,036 Speaker 1: whether it fits into the Brockhampton world, whether it fits 365 00:22:18,076 --> 00:22:21,756 Speaker 1: into Kevin abstract solo. I think it's an emotion thing 366 00:22:21,916 --> 00:22:25,276 Speaker 1: as well, like emotionally, if it feels like so true 367 00:22:25,316 --> 00:22:28,476 Speaker 1: to me and something like like more personal, more personal, 368 00:22:28,636 --> 00:22:32,396 Speaker 1: more vulnerable, I might want to save it for my 369 00:22:32,516 --> 00:22:37,276 Speaker 1: own thing. Makes sense. Personal statement, Yeah, that's what your 370 00:22:37,276 --> 00:22:40,516 Speaker 1: album is, makes sense? Yeah, But sometimes I like being 371 00:22:40,556 --> 00:22:43,156 Speaker 1: super personal in the group stuff too, because I feel 372 00:22:43,196 --> 00:22:45,436 Speaker 1: like the guys like protect me in the way, you know, 373 00:22:45,716 --> 00:22:48,956 Speaker 1: and like having them like stand next to me makes 374 00:22:48,996 --> 00:22:51,236 Speaker 1: me feel a little bit more comfortable with saying something 375 00:22:51,316 --> 00:22:53,836 Speaker 1: that I might not be comfortable with saying on like 376 00:22:53,916 --> 00:22:58,036 Speaker 1: a on my own song or something interesting. So in general, 377 00:22:58,356 --> 00:23:02,596 Speaker 1: on this album, the lyrics always started based on the music. 378 00:23:03,276 --> 00:23:06,316 Speaker 1: Like you'd hear the music, you'd find the emotion in it, 379 00:23:07,076 --> 00:23:08,596 Speaker 1: and then you think about what you want to say 380 00:23:08,796 --> 00:23:11,036 Speaker 1: and then it would build from there. There's some songs 381 00:23:11,076 --> 00:23:13,396 Speaker 1: where it was like, I want to make a song 382 00:23:13,476 --> 00:23:18,076 Speaker 1: where like I where there's like aggression, and we didn't 383 00:23:18,076 --> 00:23:19,676 Speaker 1: have the track yet, so it was just listening to 384 00:23:19,756 --> 00:23:21,276 Speaker 1: a bunch of music and then you find that one 385 00:23:21,316 --> 00:23:23,196 Speaker 1: sample it's like, oh, that's it, you know, and then 386 00:23:23,236 --> 00:23:24,676 Speaker 1: I can go and write my rap based off that 387 00:23:24,876 --> 00:23:27,276 Speaker 1: I see. It would always be the energy. It would 388 00:23:27,316 --> 00:23:30,876 Speaker 1: never be like the words or the or the phrasing 389 00:23:30,956 --> 00:23:32,876 Speaker 1: that you would have in advance. It would be more 390 00:23:32,956 --> 00:23:36,196 Speaker 1: like the emotion. The emotion, and then you would find 391 00:23:36,556 --> 00:23:39,956 Speaker 1: music that captures that emotion and then write to that exactly. 392 00:23:40,156 --> 00:23:42,076 Speaker 1: It's interesting to talk about because there's no right way 393 00:23:42,116 --> 00:23:45,516 Speaker 1: to do it. Everyone finds their way in and sometimes 394 00:23:45,556 --> 00:23:48,916 Speaker 1: when we're listening to music, knowing what the artist was 395 00:23:48,996 --> 00:23:51,156 Speaker 1: thinking or what the process is just gives more like 396 00:23:52,196 --> 00:23:54,796 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it changes the listening experience, but just 397 00:23:54,996 --> 00:23:58,236 Speaker 1: maybe can deepen it. Yeah, my first goal is to 398 00:23:58,356 --> 00:24:01,636 Speaker 1: make a pop record like just like big pop songs, 399 00:24:02,036 --> 00:24:05,836 Speaker 1: super melodic, fun and just like summertime, because I feel 400 00:24:05,836 --> 00:24:09,716 Speaker 1: like the last one was pretty sad. And then as 401 00:24:09,756 --> 00:24:11,596 Speaker 1: a year went on and got all crazy, like I 402 00:24:12,116 --> 00:24:14,036 Speaker 1: just felt like I want to do something I felt 403 00:24:14,756 --> 00:24:17,876 Speaker 1: that represented life more. So it just became like a darker, 404 00:24:18,036 --> 00:24:20,356 Speaker 1: more like rap focus album. And I was listening to 405 00:24:20,516 --> 00:24:23,356 Speaker 1: like a lot of Dre and BC Boys and stuff 406 00:24:23,396 --> 00:24:24,436 Speaker 1: like that, and I was like, this could be like 407 00:24:24,516 --> 00:24:28,436 Speaker 1: way more fun, way more interesting, more challenging. I remember 408 00:24:28,556 --> 00:24:31,916 Speaker 1: when we talked about early we had a conversation when 409 00:24:31,956 --> 00:24:34,876 Speaker 1: we were asking about about if you made a pop record, 410 00:24:34,996 --> 00:24:37,556 Speaker 1: how could you make it where it's interesting and challenging, 411 00:24:37,996 --> 00:24:40,876 Speaker 1: And we talked about I remember the conversation, yeah exactly, 412 00:24:41,116 --> 00:24:43,836 Speaker 1: that it'll be fun whenever you get to crack that code, 413 00:24:43,876 --> 00:24:47,156 Speaker 1: that will be another great thing. Whenever that happens. I 414 00:24:47,276 --> 00:24:48,396 Speaker 1: kind of want to do that for the next one. 415 00:24:48,596 --> 00:24:51,076 Speaker 1: Was Yeah, the next one is supposed to be our 416 00:24:51,196 --> 00:24:53,836 Speaker 1: last one. Tell me about that. I don't know. I 417 00:24:53,916 --> 00:24:57,196 Speaker 1: think it's like I don't want to overdo anything, and 418 00:24:57,396 --> 00:24:59,116 Speaker 1: I don't want to end the group, but I want 419 00:24:59,116 --> 00:25:00,916 Speaker 1: to like just stop putting out albums as a group 420 00:25:00,956 --> 00:25:02,796 Speaker 1: and then let everyone just go off and do their 421 00:25:02,796 --> 00:25:05,516 Speaker 1: own thing and maybe in a few years we come 422 00:25:05,556 --> 00:25:08,756 Speaker 1: back if like we're inspired too. So it's not a breakup. 423 00:25:08,836 --> 00:25:11,796 Speaker 1: It's more just let's not do this for a while. Yeah, 424 00:25:12,356 --> 00:25:14,636 Speaker 1: or maybe let's not do this ever again. Yeah, we'll 425 00:25:14,636 --> 00:25:19,116 Speaker 1: see no future plans, right, how's the general consensus feeling 426 00:25:19,116 --> 00:25:22,036 Speaker 1: about that? Are people excited about it? Are afraid? I 427 00:25:22,116 --> 00:25:23,716 Speaker 1: think people are excited to get out and just like 428 00:25:24,476 --> 00:25:27,436 Speaker 1: do their own thing because the group can be restricting 429 00:25:27,476 --> 00:25:29,476 Speaker 1: in that way creatively because it all has to like 430 00:25:30,436 --> 00:25:32,676 Speaker 1: filter it through me or Romell. So I feel like 431 00:25:33,276 --> 00:25:35,756 Speaker 1: creatively some people are like held back at times. They 432 00:25:35,876 --> 00:25:38,916 Speaker 1: might want to like do this super like trap focus song, 433 00:25:38,996 --> 00:25:41,436 Speaker 1: and it doesn't make sense for the current aesthetic or 434 00:25:41,436 --> 00:25:43,916 Speaker 1: the album or something you know so or a super 435 00:25:43,996 --> 00:25:46,676 Speaker 1: pop song or whatever you know, So it'd be cool 436 00:25:46,756 --> 00:25:49,356 Speaker 1: to like just see where everyone goes. Is everyone's still 437 00:25:49,356 --> 00:25:51,916 Speaker 1: living together or no, not anymore for this album though, 438 00:25:51,956 --> 00:25:54,876 Speaker 1: we did it at my house, so it's cool. We 439 00:25:54,996 --> 00:25:57,996 Speaker 1: all were like under the same roof, air, mattresses and 440 00:25:58,036 --> 00:26:01,516 Speaker 1: all that stuff. How would you say that the group 441 00:26:01,636 --> 00:26:04,916 Speaker 1: has changed over time, like from the early days to now. 442 00:26:05,036 --> 00:26:08,116 Speaker 1: How would you describe the differences. It's not a good 443 00:26:08,196 --> 00:26:10,396 Speaker 1: thing to say, but oh it's say it's less fun 444 00:26:10,916 --> 00:26:13,836 Speaker 1: making music, for sure, you think because it's less new. 445 00:26:15,676 --> 00:26:18,396 Speaker 1: I think so. I think it's like, sorry, we're getting 446 00:26:18,396 --> 00:26:20,156 Speaker 1: together to make an album. But before it was like, oh, 447 00:26:20,236 --> 00:26:22,956 Speaker 1: let's make album. It's gonna be crazy, like what's gonna happen? 448 00:26:23,076 --> 00:26:26,356 Speaker 1: You know? Yeah? Why else might it be? Yeah? I 449 00:26:26,396 --> 00:26:29,196 Speaker 1: guess it's just not that fun sometimes when it's like 450 00:26:30,276 --> 00:26:32,556 Speaker 1: making an album because you know you have to make it, 451 00:26:32,796 --> 00:26:35,836 Speaker 1: isn't like it just doesn't feel the same. You know, 452 00:26:36,276 --> 00:26:38,476 Speaker 1: you don't have to make it if you don't want 453 00:26:38,556 --> 00:26:42,196 Speaker 1: to know, I know, which is why it's like this 454 00:26:42,316 --> 00:26:46,316 Speaker 1: should be the last one for a while. Would you say, creatively, 455 00:26:46,636 --> 00:26:50,076 Speaker 1: anyone's grown apart or no, it's just it's just we've 456 00:26:50,156 --> 00:26:52,916 Speaker 1: done this creatively. I don't. I don't think. Uh, maybe 457 00:26:52,956 --> 00:26:54,756 Speaker 1: a little bit, but not in the like, not in 458 00:26:54,796 --> 00:26:57,276 Speaker 1: a negative way. I feel like in general people are 459 00:26:57,316 --> 00:27:00,276 Speaker 1: just growing apart, like just getting older. It's not the 460 00:27:00,356 --> 00:27:02,236 Speaker 1: same because we don't live together and we're not like 461 00:27:02,356 --> 00:27:05,316 Speaker 1: always hanging out and talking like the way we used to. 462 00:27:05,556 --> 00:27:09,756 Speaker 1: So definitely feels different as a hard thing to navigate 463 00:27:09,756 --> 00:27:11,836 Speaker 1: because we want to keep doing it. It's just like 464 00:27:12,716 --> 00:27:16,556 Speaker 1: not as exciting. Yeah, but the end result always makes 465 00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:18,876 Speaker 1: us very excited. Like once we get through and when 466 00:27:18,916 --> 00:27:21,356 Speaker 1: we listen back, it's like, wow, this is it's amazing, 467 00:27:21,476 --> 00:27:24,836 Speaker 1: this is fun. It's a lot of work. Yeah, it's 468 00:27:24,876 --> 00:27:27,276 Speaker 1: a lot of work. And I can see how that, 469 00:27:27,516 --> 00:27:29,916 Speaker 1: like the more you do it, the less fun it 470 00:27:29,956 --> 00:27:33,396 Speaker 1: could get, makes sense, especially with so many people. Yeah, 471 00:27:33,556 --> 00:27:35,916 Speaker 1: you know, and I want to make everyone happy, want 472 00:27:35,956 --> 00:27:39,916 Speaker 1: everyone to like the final sequence, to like the artwork everything, 473 00:27:40,076 --> 00:27:43,716 Speaker 1: so and he just gets like draining. Sometimes it does 474 00:27:43,756 --> 00:27:46,036 Speaker 1: seem like if everyone likes it, it's probably better, you 475 00:27:46,076 --> 00:27:48,196 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like if if if it passes 476 00:27:48,276 --> 00:27:50,236 Speaker 1: the test of everybody in the group, if we're all 477 00:27:50,316 --> 00:27:52,676 Speaker 1: excited and yes, it kind of makes it bulletproof in 478 00:27:52,716 --> 00:27:54,596 Speaker 1: a way, yeah, you know, and then we could all 479 00:27:54,636 --> 00:27:56,316 Speaker 1: be you know, confident with it when we have to 480 00:27:56,356 --> 00:27:58,196 Speaker 1: go promoted and talk about it, and then if people 481 00:27:58,236 --> 00:28:00,356 Speaker 1: don't like it, at least we know that we love 482 00:28:00,396 --> 00:28:04,196 Speaker 1: it absolutely absolutely, it'd be a fun thing to think 483 00:28:04,236 --> 00:28:07,836 Speaker 1: about if and when you decide to do more. How 484 00:28:07,916 --> 00:28:11,876 Speaker 1: could you set it up? Wait, doesn't feel like you're 485 00:28:11,916 --> 00:28:14,236 Speaker 1: just doing another one, you know what? It really feels 486 00:28:14,276 --> 00:28:17,436 Speaker 1: like this is some crazy like you set up the 487 00:28:17,556 --> 00:28:22,596 Speaker 1: situation to be a crazy situation that you're excited about. 488 00:28:23,076 --> 00:28:24,876 Speaker 1: Could be like doing it and you know in a 489 00:28:24,956 --> 00:28:27,476 Speaker 1: country where maybe nobody speaks English or like you know 490 00:28:27,596 --> 00:28:33,876 Speaker 1: some some introducing some foreign element just make it feel 491 00:28:33,956 --> 00:28:36,596 Speaker 1: new again. Yeah, yeah, it could be interesting. No, that'd 492 00:28:36,636 --> 00:28:43,036 Speaker 1: be great. It feels like the headspace really plays into 493 00:28:43,116 --> 00:28:45,556 Speaker 1: both if it's fun and how good it is. Yeah, 494 00:28:46,556 --> 00:28:48,116 Speaker 1: this was hard to make because we wanted it to 495 00:28:48,196 --> 00:28:52,716 Speaker 1: feel focus and not just like cool vibe songs like 496 00:28:53,156 --> 00:28:55,516 Speaker 1: we normally do. Like it's like say whatever you want 497 00:28:55,516 --> 00:28:58,236 Speaker 1: and we'll move on. Yeah, really like taking time to 498 00:28:59,196 --> 00:29:01,916 Speaker 1: just get the words right, get the messaging right, and 499 00:29:02,036 --> 00:29:06,436 Speaker 1: like understand what we were trying to say before even 500 00:29:06,476 --> 00:29:08,676 Speaker 1: saying it, before writing the song. So I think that 501 00:29:08,796 --> 00:29:11,036 Speaker 1: was like we had to like step it up as writers, 502 00:29:11,476 --> 00:29:15,756 Speaker 1: you know, and really like push each other to say 503 00:29:15,836 --> 00:29:19,036 Speaker 1: new things. You know. Yeah, because I feel like with 504 00:29:19,116 --> 00:29:21,716 Speaker 1: a lot of the brockhanda songs. At this point, I've 505 00:29:21,756 --> 00:29:25,116 Speaker 1: kind of said like the same things in so many 506 00:29:25,156 --> 00:29:28,836 Speaker 1: different ways. It's like calculide, make it feel new, Like 507 00:29:28,916 --> 00:29:32,236 Speaker 1: you're saying, thinking another thing you can try next time. 508 00:29:32,316 --> 00:29:35,476 Speaker 1: That would be different, really different, especially because this one 509 00:29:35,556 --> 00:29:40,316 Speaker 1: took the longest. Would be to impose a really tight schedule, 510 00:29:40,916 --> 00:29:44,076 Speaker 1: like saying, you know, we're going to be somewhere altogether 511 00:29:44,236 --> 00:29:48,236 Speaker 1: for I don't know a month, and in that month 512 00:29:49,276 --> 00:29:52,516 Speaker 1: we gotta start to finish. It's got to happen in 513 00:29:52,596 --> 00:29:56,036 Speaker 1: a month, and everybody come prepared, like you know, like 514 00:29:56,196 --> 00:30:01,676 Speaker 1: come with any any any starting points, but don't share them, 515 00:30:01,836 --> 00:30:04,116 Speaker 1: you know, until we get like it all starts the 516 00:30:04,236 --> 00:30:06,796 Speaker 1: day we walk in and that's cool. Yeah, it's like again, 517 00:30:06,836 --> 00:30:08,716 Speaker 1: it will make it fun because it's not just this 518 00:30:08,916 --> 00:30:12,476 Speaker 1: end this process and could be sort of an antidote 519 00:30:12,476 --> 00:30:14,476 Speaker 1: to the last one of just like this is the 520 00:30:15,196 --> 00:30:19,636 Speaker 1: it's on and it's and then it's over. So enjoy it, 521 00:30:19,796 --> 00:30:22,036 Speaker 1: you know, enjoy this little window because it's that's cool. 522 00:30:22,236 --> 00:30:24,796 Speaker 1: It could be fun. That's an exciting idea. Yeah, it's 523 00:30:24,796 --> 00:30:28,956 Speaker 1: like again, it's like that any opportunities to find a 524 00:30:29,076 --> 00:30:33,196 Speaker 1: way to set up the situation to where it's a 525 00:30:33,276 --> 00:30:35,836 Speaker 1: new challenge. You know, it's a new makes it fun. 526 00:30:36,716 --> 00:30:39,036 Speaker 1: I like that. We're going to take a quick break 527 00:30:39,316 --> 00:30:41,596 Speaker 1: and then we'll be back with more from Kevin Abstract. 528 00:30:45,996 --> 00:30:48,476 Speaker 1: We're back with the rest of Rick Rubin's conversation with 529 00:30:48,676 --> 00:30:52,676 Speaker 1: Kevin Abstract. Here's their new song, Don't Shoot Up the Party. 530 00:30:53,316 --> 00:30:56,476 Speaker 1: All remember Ken's selftra runs deep, White boys all I 531 00:30:56,596 --> 00:30:59,836 Speaker 1: see whenever I sleep, niggas think. I think these thoughts 532 00:30:59,876 --> 00:31:02,356 Speaker 1: on purpose. But I knew about Hand's sake folk cast 533 00:31:02,476 --> 00:31:05,876 Speaker 1: of room me Calini's minds by masters and slaves. They 534 00:31:05,996 --> 00:31:09,356 Speaker 1: both hate niggas and like nikkas the same homophone. I 535 00:31:09,556 --> 00:31:11,916 Speaker 1: tried the gang bang. I tried to get laid. I 536 00:31:12,076 --> 00:31:14,836 Speaker 1: had to get paid, hopped off the ship. I landed 537 00:31:14,876 --> 00:31:17,636 Speaker 1: on my feet in corpusmen. See, I got my own 538 00:31:17,716 --> 00:31:20,476 Speaker 1: street running this shit like as that tracked me. I 539 00:31:20,596 --> 00:31:22,556 Speaker 1: had to go back home. I see too many niggas out. 540 00:31:22,996 --> 00:31:25,476 Speaker 1: I get my dogs black well, let them live well 541 00:31:25,556 --> 00:31:28,156 Speaker 1: whenever Evercore we drink the money story to tell you 542 00:31:28,236 --> 00:31:31,596 Speaker 1: went out soon. Then to the new plastic, new machine. 543 00:31:31,796 --> 00:31:35,036 Speaker 1: Keep the peace, keep him dancing. Don't shoot up the party. 544 00:31:35,556 --> 00:31:39,436 Speaker 1: Don't shoot up the party, please, please, don't shoot up 545 00:31:39,516 --> 00:31:44,196 Speaker 1: the party. Don't shoot up the party. Please, don't get 546 00:31:44,316 --> 00:31:49,916 Speaker 1: up the party. Don't shoot up my party. Please please, please, please, 547 00:31:50,276 --> 00:31:55,516 Speaker 1: please please. It's a damn for you wins and wove 548 00:31:55,716 --> 00:31:58,156 Speaker 1: for the people in the back standing on the tippy toes. 549 00:31:58,556 --> 00:32:01,516 Speaker 1: Don't give it. Damn with the journalese. Root always didn't 550 00:32:01,556 --> 00:32:04,436 Speaker 1: sad like the in the catacombs, on the crowd, like 551 00:32:04,516 --> 00:32:06,876 Speaker 1: a line in the storm, watching for the prey that 552 00:32:06,996 --> 00:32:09,556 Speaker 1: might split his stroke. It's about to time that I 553 00:32:09,676 --> 00:32:12,996 Speaker 1: let your ass go. Y'all deserved getting a team even more. 554 00:32:13,636 --> 00:32:15,836 Speaker 1: Kiss my eyes, shoot my boss like it's mental cooke 555 00:32:16,196 --> 00:32:19,236 Speaker 1: fu class, get cashed by the truck loads. Ladies down 556 00:32:19,316 --> 00:32:21,476 Speaker 1: with my dogs with the city cloone went for a 557 00:32:21,556 --> 00:32:24,996 Speaker 1: hell of a ride. This is a good time. No, 558 00:32:25,076 --> 00:32:28,316 Speaker 1: I'm damn rode every single by the little bit. Why 559 00:32:28,636 --> 00:32:31,916 Speaker 1: fucking by now met it all? Now thendicate this to 560 00:32:31,996 --> 00:32:36,876 Speaker 1: my family in Chicago. Stay down, I'm sorry, Stay down early. 561 00:32:38,716 --> 00:32:41,436 Speaker 1: People need more of the morney. It's white people don't 562 00:32:41,516 --> 00:32:47,636 Speaker 1: love me. Oh, stay down, I'm sorry, Stay down. Oh 563 00:32:48,596 --> 00:32:51,236 Speaker 1: I don't need you to love me. Fun you go 564 00:32:51,476 --> 00:32:56,316 Speaker 1: for me. Don't shoot out the body, don't shoot out 565 00:32:56,356 --> 00:33:00,836 Speaker 1: the party, PA, Please don't shoot out the body. Don't 566 00:33:00,836 --> 00:33:05,036 Speaker 1: shoot down the party. Pass Please, don't shoot out the party. 567 00:33:05,556 --> 00:33:15,156 Speaker 1: Don't shoot up my party, please? Please? What's the issue? 568 00:33:15,836 --> 00:33:19,916 Speaker 1: Why you gotta grab that bistol? Think about huco miss? 569 00:33:20,076 --> 00:33:25,156 Speaker 1: You never know what I've been through? What's the issue? 570 00:33:25,836 --> 00:33:29,916 Speaker 1: Why you gotta grab that bistol? Think about huco miss? 571 00:33:30,076 --> 00:33:34,436 Speaker 1: You never know what they might do. Don't shoot up 572 00:33:34,516 --> 00:33:59,116 Speaker 1: the party, don't shoot up the That's gonna be incredible live. Yeah, 573 00:33:59,156 --> 00:34:01,636 Speaker 1: I can't wait. That's gonna be fun, crazy party track. 574 00:34:02,316 --> 00:34:05,636 Speaker 1: How that one happened? Just jamming? Yeah, everyone's jamming and 575 00:34:05,756 --> 00:34:09,796 Speaker 1: I grabbed the micro's freestyling like just trying new things. Yeah, 576 00:34:10,276 --> 00:34:13,636 Speaker 1: And it went on for like like forty five minutes 577 00:34:13,676 --> 00:34:16,196 Speaker 1: to an hour, so cool. And then we just started 578 00:34:16,276 --> 00:34:17,996 Speaker 1: editing it kind of like, oh, this part could be 579 00:34:18,036 --> 00:34:20,036 Speaker 1: the hook don't don't shoot the party part. I think 580 00:34:20,036 --> 00:34:21,636 Speaker 1: we spent the rest of the night, like everyone just 581 00:34:21,716 --> 00:34:24,436 Speaker 1: writing their verses. I was afraid of it at first. 582 00:34:24,476 --> 00:34:27,876 Speaker 1: I felt like it was like kind of cheesy, and 583 00:34:28,076 --> 00:34:30,436 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's not hard enough. I love 584 00:34:30,516 --> 00:34:32,756 Speaker 1: it so much now though, it's so good. It's so 585 00:34:32,916 --> 00:34:36,596 Speaker 1: good in that It's like what it's talking about is 586 00:34:36,756 --> 00:34:42,476 Speaker 1: clearly serious and hard, and the music is just this party. Yeah, 587 00:34:42,796 --> 00:34:45,876 Speaker 1: and that that juxtaposition is so cool. I think it 588 00:34:46,036 --> 00:34:48,396 Speaker 1: wasn't fully there. Yeah at first when I when I 589 00:34:48,556 --> 00:34:50,956 Speaker 1: was hating on it sonically, it just wasn't fully realized. 590 00:34:50,996 --> 00:34:53,996 Speaker 1: And I think once we kept pushing it towards the 591 00:34:54,076 --> 00:34:55,756 Speaker 1: party thing, like you're saying, then it started to like 592 00:34:55,996 --> 00:34:58,276 Speaker 1: make all of us love it way more. Yeah, It's 593 00:34:58,436 --> 00:35:01,636 Speaker 1: it's just cool. The contrast between what it's talking about 594 00:35:01,676 --> 00:35:03,836 Speaker 1: and the feeling of the music. It's really cool. Yeah. 595 00:35:03,916 --> 00:35:17,596 Speaker 1: I love that. Ye, Lord, you come down and help 596 00:35:21,196 --> 00:35:35,916 Speaker 1: my brother? Oh so please, Lord, he needs you are 597 00:35:36,956 --> 00:35:54,516 Speaker 1: Oh oh't you let him now that he's sad? So 598 00:35:54,876 --> 00:36:01,916 Speaker 1: when you love shine ster like the line let him 599 00:36:02,556 --> 00:36:11,076 Speaker 1: know you on into fine, I go down so godless 600 00:36:11,196 --> 00:36:24,516 Speaker 1: you with your life that time shine to the light. Oho, 601 00:36:26,076 --> 00:36:36,636 Speaker 1: holding in your life, holding in your life, shooting so 602 00:36:38,676 --> 00:36:53,596 Speaker 1: shine to light, you know, shoes w so fine? We bye? 603 00:36:56,516 --> 00:37:05,436 Speaker 1: She I love that. How did it happened? I was 604 00:37:05,476 --> 00:37:08,316 Speaker 1: looking for like interludes and stuff like that for the 605 00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:10,556 Speaker 1: album and ask and I was like, could you go 606 00:37:10,676 --> 00:37:12,716 Speaker 1: and make like a bunch of interludes and he said 607 00:37:12,716 --> 00:37:16,236 Speaker 1: he had this poem that he wrote after he found 608 00:37:16,236 --> 00:37:19,036 Speaker 1: out the news about Russell's dad, and he just took 609 00:37:19,116 --> 00:37:21,196 Speaker 1: the poem and turned it into a song with him 610 00:37:21,236 --> 00:37:24,676 Speaker 1: and his friends Ryan and Nick, they like all put 611 00:37:24,756 --> 00:37:26,796 Speaker 1: it together and he played it force like wow, this 612 00:37:26,876 --> 00:37:30,356 Speaker 1: is perfect, really beautiful and feels like it adds a 613 00:37:30,556 --> 00:37:35,236 Speaker 1: whole other dimension to the album. That's really good. Thanks. Yeah, 614 00:37:35,356 --> 00:37:38,876 Speaker 1: I think it helps keep pushing the message, you know, 615 00:37:38,996 --> 00:37:41,716 Speaker 1: from when you first hear that the phone call at 616 00:37:41,716 --> 00:37:43,596 Speaker 1: the beginning of the album, Like just keep kind of 617 00:37:43,676 --> 00:37:46,396 Speaker 1: going back to that and then having these moments around 618 00:37:46,436 --> 00:37:49,796 Speaker 1: it that like help highlight the band and Russell and 619 00:37:49,996 --> 00:37:54,516 Speaker 1: all that stuff. So good. Also the first devotional rock Campton. 620 00:37:54,596 --> 00:37:58,996 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, are there any touring plants coming up? 621 00:37:59,196 --> 00:38:04,516 Speaker 1: I think we're going to Europe hopefully beginning of next year. 622 00:38:04,876 --> 00:38:07,756 Speaker 1: Hopefully we get in the studio this summer and make 623 00:38:07,836 --> 00:38:11,196 Speaker 1: the other album. Yeah, let's think about your idea, Yeah, 624 00:38:12,156 --> 00:38:15,316 Speaker 1: just to switch it up and we'll bring a different energy, 625 00:38:15,476 --> 00:38:17,716 Speaker 1: like a different focused energy when you know it's like 626 00:38:18,916 --> 00:38:20,836 Speaker 1: this is not yeah, it's a good could be a good, 627 00:38:21,756 --> 00:38:24,716 Speaker 1: healthy experiment. You think a month is enough time? Would 628 00:38:24,716 --> 00:38:26,276 Speaker 1: you say? I don't know. It depends on you. Like 629 00:38:26,356 --> 00:38:28,956 Speaker 1: I know, the Beatles made their first five albums all 630 00:38:29,116 --> 00:38:34,396 Speaker 1: five within one month, so so it's doable. It's like, 631 00:38:34,636 --> 00:38:38,476 Speaker 1: just depends how different your your rhythm is. It would 632 00:38:38,516 --> 00:38:42,676 Speaker 1: be good to come up with something both realistic and 633 00:38:43,156 --> 00:38:46,436 Speaker 1: really challenging when deciding on whatever that number is. You know, 634 00:38:46,596 --> 00:38:49,236 Speaker 1: like it has to feel like you're in a hurry 635 00:38:49,356 --> 00:38:52,276 Speaker 1: from the first day. Yeah, because that it'll just make 636 00:38:52,316 --> 00:38:56,236 Speaker 1: it different, that'll change the whole experience. That's cool. I 637 00:38:56,356 --> 00:39:00,036 Speaker 1: love that. I love that. Yeah, that's gonna tell me 638 00:39:00,036 --> 00:39:03,516 Speaker 1: about it. It's definitely my favorite album we've made. I 639 00:39:03,596 --> 00:39:05,996 Speaker 1: found myself like actually listening to it and enjoying it 640 00:39:06,156 --> 00:39:09,996 Speaker 1: so super proud in this conversation makes me want to 641 00:39:10,076 --> 00:39:13,476 Speaker 1: do the next one. 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