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Speaker 1: We'll have an hour long podcast tonight. I'll start with
Speaker 1: about a ten minute thought on the Eagles and Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Then John Middlecoff stops by. Obviously we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about the Kansas City game against Buffalo. A lot being
Speaker 1: made of that Cadarius Tony offsides ruling. He was off sides,
Speaker 1: and so they call it a much more now than
Speaker 1: they've ever called it, And I just think this has
Speaker 1: been a year where it's been over officiated. Not all
Speaker 1: was poorly officiated. I do think this year's been over officiated.
Speaker 1: That play on Tony, that call was the eleventh or
Speaker 1: twelfth time they've called it this year. According to the
Speaker 1: analyst on television, it had been called only a couple
Speaker 1: of times last year, and only a couple of times
Speaker 1: the previous year to that. So they're just calling it
Speaker 1: more often. I don't think anybody watches these games to
Speaker 1: see flags. In fact, nothing is more infuriating is when
Speaker 1: a former head of officials, former head of official for
Speaker 1: a network comes on and says, yeah, there's really not
Speaker 1: a penalty there, or referees pick up a flag, which
Speaker 1: you see more and more often. So I've always had
Speaker 1: this feeling that referees anticipate calls instead of seeing an
Speaker 1: infraction and calling an infraction. Now, in this case, Tony
Speaker 1: the wide receiver, Giants got rid of him very quickly.
Speaker 1: He was too immature. I think Kansas City will get
Speaker 1: rid of him very quickly after the season. But it
Speaker 1: was worthy the officials felt and appeared to be of
Speaker 1: a flag. You know, I was watching the Cowboys and listen,
Speaker 1: they've played the kind of schedule where they've had several
Speaker 1: blowout wins, most at home, and so when you have
Speaker 1: a blowout win, you know the snap count for some
Speaker 1: of your starters is lower. You can rest guys. Whereas
Speaker 1: Philadelphia just looks tired. I thought Dallas to night looked
Speaker 1: fast and fresh, and they've had a lot of their players,
Speaker 1: stars and starters that could rest second half and later
Speaker 1: in games this year, and there is something to be
Speaker 1: said about a heavy snap count. So you start looking
Speaker 1: at Philadelphia. I thought they'd really show up tonight. It'd
Speaker 1: be a very, very physical kind of a twenty four
Speaker 1: to twenty game. But you know, they've played the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and then San Francisco and then Buffalo
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys again, those are tough matchups. Those are grueling,
Speaker 1: physical matchups. There's no Carolina in there, there's no New
Speaker 1: York Giants. Your defense doesn't get to face the Jets,
Speaker 1: whereas the Cowboys have half a dozen games like that
Speaker 1: this year, and so it does matter, and so I
Speaker 1: think it's just fatigue. I think tonight Philadelphia looked old, tired,
Speaker 1: and Dallas looked young, fast and fresh. And right now
Speaker 1: at this point in the season, they're a better team
Speaker 1: than Dallas. But the Eagles schedule lightens up. They get
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I think it's next Monday, so they get
Speaker 1: an extra day off they need it. But you know,
Speaker 1: I was thinking watching that game. So one of the
Speaker 1: Cowboy players that had a very good night was Stefan Gilmore,
Speaker 1: and they only used a fifth round pick to get him,
Speaker 1: and so you know, it's when they went out and
Speaker 1: spent a fifth round pick on Stefan Gilmore. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a good move. Gilmore's passed his prime, but still,
Speaker 1: you know, in big spots against big receivers, really smart
Speaker 1: player been around, knows how to manipulate it, create fumbles.
Speaker 1: So a fifth round pick has about fifteen percent chance
Speaker 1: of you know, fifteen eighteen percent chance of even making
Speaker 1: the league. And it's interesting. I've always thought if I
Speaker 1: was a GM and I could go get a really
Speaker 1: good player on a good team, I wouldn't waste it,
Speaker 1: or if it was a position of need, I would
Speaker 1: make a lot of moves like that. So Montes Sweat
Speaker 1: went to the Chicago Bears for a second round pick.
Speaker 1: Now you have to pay him, but Montest Sweat's a really,
Speaker 1: really good defensive lineman, and every good team the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champs. Last year, Kansas City paid one defensive lineman,
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, the Rams super Bowl team. At that time,
Speaker 1: they had Von Miller kind of renting him and Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: But generally NFL general managers want to pay spend most
Speaker 1: of their money the good franchises on offense, on a
Speaker 1: weapon or two quarterback left tackle, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you look at San Francisco, they paid Kittle and
Speaker 1: Deebo and McCaffrey and Trent Williams. That's what you want
Speaker 1: to do. And you want to have your defense to
Speaker 1: be pretty inexpensive young. You want a young defense. Young
Speaker 1: defenses are faster, they're hurt less often, and when they're hurt,
Speaker 1: they're back on the field more quickly than an older defense.
Speaker 1: But Stefan Gilmore was a good player for a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. Montes Sweat. The Bears needed to an elite
Speaker 1: defensive lineman anyway, and they give up a second rounder. Well,
Speaker 1: how many players are going to be as good as
Speaker 1: Montes Sweat in the second round? Not many? Do you realize?
Speaker 1: Only about thirty to thirty two percent of players draft
Speaker 1: to make the roster. Yes, that's true, Only about thirty
Speaker 1: to thirty two percent somewhere in that range of NFL
Speaker 1: players make a roster. Now, it's much higher in the
Speaker 1: first two rounds, it's not linear. But when you get
Speaker 1: to the fourth, the fifth, the sixth, the seventh round,
Speaker 1: those numbers go down to eight percent, ten percent, fifteen percent,
Speaker 1: seventeen percent. And so I mean, go to last year's draft.
Speaker 1: The first player taken, Bryce Young many think looks like
Speaker 1: a bust. Already the first player another top ten player,
Speaker 1: Tyree Wilson, defensive lineman for the Raiders, not very effective,
Speaker 1: could be a bust. Two in the top ten. Thirty
Speaker 1: percent of the first round is usually ineffective, a suboptimal,
Speaker 1: or a bust. That's the first round. So Monteste Sweat
Speaker 1: has absolutely helped the Chicago Bears defense for a second rounder. Now,
Speaker 1: they did that for Chase Claypool, but that's a position
Speaker 1: of need wide receiver, not as crucial as an elite
Speaker 1: defensive lineman. But college football also gives you, on an
Speaker 1: annual basis, lots of good receivers, so that's a riskier move.
Speaker 1: But Montes Sweat has been worth it. Stefan Gilbour fifth
Speaker 1: round pick been worth it. I mean, Christian McCaffrey went
Speaker 1: for a second, third, fourth, and fifth. But San Francisco's second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: and fifth round picks are late round picks because they're
Speaker 1: so good. So the first pick they really gave up
Speaker 1: would be a late second rounder that's somewhere between like
Speaker 1: the fifty seventh pick, fifty eighth pick. You're out of
Speaker 1: guaranteed stars by the fifty eighth pick average. NFL gms
Speaker 1: believe that most I've talked to that you usually have
Speaker 1: sixteen to seventeen elite players in any draft after that.
Speaker 1: Mid first to late second all about the same. So
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey is a generational player. And I remember when
Speaker 1: San Francisco made that move. I'm like, this is a
Speaker 1: home run. You just gave kin O Shanahan, Picasso and
Speaker 1: open canvas and fresh paint. Its great move. You didn't
Speaker 1: give up multiple ones. You have a late second, a
Speaker 1: late third, a late fourth, and a late fifth. Late
Speaker 1: fifth probably doesn't make the league, or if he does,
Speaker 1: it's seven eight ten percent chance he makes the league.
Speaker 1: So I'm surprised that more teams don't roll the dice
Speaker 1: on this stuff. Giving up first round picks is tough because,
Speaker 1: I mean, you take a look at left tackle. Most
Speaker 1: great left tackles in my lifetime have been first round picks.
Speaker 1: Very hard to find a great sixth round left tackle.
Speaker 1: Goes back to what they call the planet theory. Former
Speaker 1: NFL GM George Young the New York Giants years ago
Speaker 1: used to have this theory. There's just only so many
Speaker 1: six foot seven, three hundred and thirty pounds men with
Speaker 1: great feet on the planet. So you know, you get
Speaker 1: these enormous defensive linemen that are gifted Jalen Carter, you
Speaker 1: get Trent Williams, Jonathan Ogden, these kind of first round
Speaker 1: left tackles. They're they're usually first round picks. But Dallas
Speaker 1: looks like a very good football team. They've got several
Speaker 1: things that super Bowl winning teams have. A good quarterback
Speaker 1: having a career year, a veteran coach who's been to
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl certainly knows the playoffs, an elite pass rusher,
Speaker 1: a star weapon which Ceedee Lamb has become. And this
Speaker 1: will be their eighth blowout of the year. That's about
Speaker 1: the average seven to eight blowouts per year for a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champ. So Dallas, and they also have a
Speaker 1: great kicker, which it matters in close games. You know,
Speaker 1: we always worry about Mike McCarthy situational football close games.
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth pointed it out tonight. When you have a
Speaker 1: great kicker and you kick those fifty seven fifty eight
Speaker 1: to fifty nine yard field goals and they're good, you
Speaker 1: look so much smarter as a head coach. So this
Speaker 1: is the first time I remember really looking at the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys differently. I thought tonight's game would be close.
Speaker 1: But Dallas a little bit of a front runner. They're
Speaker 1: a great home favorite, a fantastic home favorite. They love
Speaker 1: playing downhill. But you know it counts now. Philadelphia wins out,
Speaker 1: they still win the division. Their schedules pretty light. Seattle,
Speaker 1: I think they faced the New York Giants a couple
Speaker 1: of times, but Dallas deserves a lot of credit. And
Speaker 1: I said this last week on FS one. Packers play
Speaker 1: tomorrow against the New York Giants, favored by about a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Should win. Christian Watson, I do not believe plays, but
Speaker 1: they should win anyway. The green Bay Packers right now,
Speaker 1: from what I've seen in the last three weeks, are
Speaker 1: better than the green Bay Packers last year. With Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers Mike McCarthy, Dallas looks like they can play with
Speaker 1: anybody in the sport. San Francisco forty nine ers, Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys look as good as anybody in the sport. Isn't
Speaker 1: that interesting? Green Bay has not lost a step with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers leaving Mike McCarthy's career never been a better
Speaker 1: brand than it is right now. Without Aaron Rodgers. Usually
Speaker 1: the great all time quarterbacks leave a wake. Aaron has
Speaker 1: left no wake. Green Bay's good, Mike McCarthy's fine. Devonte Adams,
Speaker 1: by the way, now, Raiders didn't score today, but Devonte
Speaker 1: Adams last year led the NFL in touchdowns. I think
Speaker 1: he had fourteen. So it's it's not that Aaron wasn't
Speaker 1: talented and isn't talented, but the great quarterbacks Montana, you know, Elway,
Speaker 1: Brady Mahomes, tend to have these skills beyond talent, like leadership, resilience, toughness.
Speaker 1: Aaron threw a pretty ball. Aaron Rodgers threw a pretty
Speaker 1: ball Denver. When Elway left Miami, when Marino left, you
Speaker 1: know there's a wake. It's like, wow, we take a
Speaker 1: step back as a franchise. If Green Bay wins tomorrow,
Speaker 1: and I suspect they will, of the New York Giants,
Speaker 1: with or without Christian Watson, they're a better team. One
Speaker 1: year a move from Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy, and
Speaker 1: I've been critical of his situational football. This is a
Speaker 1: really good team with a lot of components and Dak
Speaker 1: looks really comfortable, you know. Talking about draft picks. My
Speaker 1: only criticism of the Cowboys really this year is I
Speaker 1: thought they should have given up a draft pick and
Speaker 1: traded for Derreck Henry of the Titans, because I thought
Speaker 1: to myself, they're gonna have leads in some playoff games
Speaker 1: and it's and want to burn the clock, and they
Speaker 1: don't have that got pounded running back. Pollard's kind of
Speaker 1: a two, not a one. I thought Dallas could have
Speaker 1: made another move, and boy is Jerry Jones gonna be
Speaker 1: obnoxious if this is a super Bowl team. But they
Speaker 1: look like it. For the first time in a long time,
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Speaker 1: start with the kind of the game of the day,
Speaker 1: which is in the early windows, which is Buffalo holding
Speaker 1: on to beat Kansas City. Some coaching malpractice down the
Speaker 1: stretch by Sean McDermott, who did not have a good
Speaker 1: week when a story leaked that he did a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago a pregame speech to incentivize his team
Speaker 1: with some nine to eleven references without going into detail
Speaker 1: that were horrible and embarrassing. And you know, everybody makes mistakes.
Speaker 1: I get it. But when I watched the end of
Speaker 1: the game and him throwing the ball and not bleeding
Speaker 1: the clock out, and maybe that's maybe that's a defensive
Speaker 1: coach not respecting offense, But to do that in Kansas
Speaker 1: City against Mahomes was like time out.
Speaker 2: Sean.
Speaker 1: I know the nine to eleven story was a bad week.
Speaker 1: I know you're off. I just couldn't believe what I
Speaker 1: was watching. Now they get away with it, But when
Speaker 1: you have a coach on the hot seat and you're
Speaker 1: a GM or a owner, you look for these moments
Speaker 1: sometimes to go, how do we pull the ripcord on this? Like,
Speaker 1: how do we get out of it? I honestly thought,
Speaker 1: if they lost that game, John, maybe this is hyperbolic.
Speaker 1: You could have made a decision upstairs. End of the year,
Speaker 1: we're getting rid of him.
Speaker 2: I thought the moment that Travis Kelcey threw the ball
Speaker 2: back and the guy walked into the end zone before
Speaker 2: the play was called back. That was gonna end Sean
Speaker 2: mcdermotts Bill's career. You couldn't end on the week that
Speaker 2: he had like that, especially because when the game started,
Speaker 2: Bill's came out, they looked like the Super Bowl contender
Speaker 2: that we all thought they were coming into the season,
Speaker 2: at least some of us. And then the game just
Speaker 2: kind of unraveled from there and they were in a
Speaker 2: position where it looked like they were gonna lose. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I've known Sean since I worked in
Speaker 2: the NFL. He was in Philadelphia, and I text a
Speaker 2: bunch of people that worked with him as well. From
Speaker 2: a character standpoint, I always thought like his character was pristine,
Speaker 2: high level guy. Now, I think some of the tight
Speaker 2: defensive stuff, you can't argue that, some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that you know, at least in my experience and other
Speaker 2: people that I know, said that wasn't the guy that
Speaker 2: they were ever around. I'm not talking about Buffalo. I
Speaker 2: can't speak to that. I'm just saying in my experience,
Speaker 2: but today, I mean, he is just so dependent on
Speaker 2: this quarterback pulling plays out of his ass. I mean
Speaker 2: that play when he scrambled to his left through it
Speaker 2: to the Latavious who ended up fumbling. I know they
Speaker 2: got a little lucky that they recovered the ball because
Speaker 2: it went out of bounce. But that play sums up
Speaker 2: the Josh Allen experience like no one else in the
Speaker 2: NFL can even do that. And obviously his ability to run,
Speaker 2: you know with a violent naturist. He's just a unique player.
Speaker 1: Listen, we know what coaching does. Look at Denver Nat
Speaker 1: Hackett to Sean Payton, same exact players, So we know
Speaker 1: coaching matters. If you put Mahomes in Buffalo and Josh
Speaker 1: Allen in Kansas City, you know who has the rings.
Speaker 1: Like we know quarterbacks sixty five percent of it. But
Speaker 1: we've seen Jeff Fisher and Sean mcvaywood, Jared Goff, We've
Speaker 1: seen Brian Flores and Mike McDaniel with TUA. We know
Speaker 1: quarterbacks can be elevated by coaches. What you're watching is
Speaker 1: a defensive coach who cannot create a run game today,
Speaker 1: didn't throw the ball down the field virtually at all.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is carrying this franchise. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: like what's happening to the Chargers. The difference is Josh
Speaker 1: Allen's better than than Justin Herbert. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: I'm to the point now where I feel sorry that
Speaker 1: the prime year and he's probably got three prime years
Speaker 1: left because he's getting the hell beat out of him.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has about three prime years left and then
Speaker 1: he's gonna be big Ben and Cam. He's gonna hit
Speaker 1: about thirty two and start aging.
Speaker 2: I would say that. I mean McDermott, I couldn't compare
Speaker 2: him to stay like he is a playoff level coach.
Speaker 2: But clearly it feels like a lot of people are
Speaker 2: gonna act like this team, don't let them get hot.
Speaker 2: I'm not buying it. I mean that what we just witnessed.
Speaker 2: I mean, they easily could have lost the game if
Speaker 2: the guy's cleat is six inches, you know, behind the
Speaker 2: blue line. So they are fly by to the seat
Speaker 2: of their pants. Hope Josh makes some plays, they come
Speaker 2: out strong, and then they just kind of hold on
Speaker 2: for dear life. They've played in that same game ten
Speaker 2: times this year. They've just for the first time lost
Speaker 2: a lot of them. Obviously, they play Dallas next week,
Speaker 2: but I'm not buying that because a lot of people
Speaker 2: are gonna say if they get in watch out Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I do not see it with this
Speaker 2: tit on. It too much going on because the just
Speaker 2: because you win a game like this, which is important
Speaker 2: for their playoff chances, I don't think it changes kind
Speaker 2: of the the talk around the coach, the franchise, everything
Speaker 2: that's going on. Right I mean, he was there was
Speaker 2: a microscope on him coming into the season, and then
Speaker 2: obviously they're they're going to struggle to get the nine wins.
Speaker 2: So I think this franchise, it's just in a very
Speaker 2: very weird spot right now.
Speaker 1: Let's talk Kansas City. So when you pay your quarterback
Speaker 1: a lot of money, you have to get cheaper, and
Speaker 1: to get cheaper, you have to get younger. Tony by
Speaker 1: the way, the Giants let him go. He was inconsistent,
Speaker 1: he was immature. Kansas City picks up Tony ft offside
Speaker 1: or they win the football game. And so what I
Speaker 1: watch with Kansas City are some coverage breakdowns with young
Speaker 1: defensive players and drops and mistakes by young receivers. So
Speaker 1: what I think Kansas City is suffering from is just youth.
Speaker 1: And this is the reality is when you pay your quarterback,
Speaker 1: what you pay him. You just got to get John.
Speaker 1: You got to get younger. And you know there's that
Speaker 1: fine line where the Rams go all in with old
Speaker 1: guys win a super Bowl. Now the Rams have a
Speaker 1: bunch of kids. By the way. Young teams, green Bay,
Speaker 1: Houston Rams, You've seen the Rams get better as the
Speaker 1: season's gone on. Houston was bad today, but they've gotten better.
Speaker 1: Green Bay's gotten better. So young teams generally, over the
Speaker 1: course of a season, they have these milestone games, these
Speaker 1: big jumps like an old team kind of you know
Speaker 1: what you get San Francisco, I kind of know what
Speaker 1: I get. I saw it against Dallas. I saw it,
Speaker 1: you know again, But I do think you know the
Speaker 1: Rams Green Bay, You're like, oh, these are these teams
Speaker 1: are making big leaps. And I feel with Kansas City
Speaker 1: today they lost because of Tony. They lost because of youth.
Speaker 1: A dumb play.
Speaker 2: Well, Andy and Bret Veach have a little Al Davis
Speaker 2: to him, like they will look past some stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: Tony was a walking red flag that there was a
Speaker 2: reason he was available and they got him, I think
Speaker 2: for a third round pick, and he's let him down
Speaker 2: multiple times this season, right with inconsistencies because he's not
Speaker 2: a reliable player. But they had to do it because
Speaker 2: they're somewhat desperate offensively. Right, they've lost to Green Bay
Speaker 2: Philly in Buffalo over about the last month, Right, they
Speaker 2: scored seventeen nineteen seventeen points. Now, I think if you're
Speaker 2: a big picture, if you're a Chiefs fan, you got
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes over the years, you're gonna
Speaker 2: be okay. Kind of feels like this ain't their year, Colin.
Speaker 2: I mean, they cannot generate anything offensively with the wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Rice is a good young player, Yes, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: need more to go. I think this offseason they'll be
Speaker 2: talked about with the Mike Evans and the older guys
Speaker 2: who were available. I think you got to ask yourself
Speaker 2: also a big picture with Travis Kelce, he's no longer
Speaker 2: just in the prime of his career, and I think
Speaker 2: when you look, it's so easy to game plan it.
Speaker 2: Like with the Niners, it's like we're gonna take away Devo,
Speaker 2: You're gonna take away kitt You're gonna take away McCaffrey.
Speaker 2: He's like, we're just gonna take away Kelsey, who else
Speaker 2: is gonna beat us, Right, We'll live with giving Rice
Speaker 2: a touchdown every once in a while. Whatever that there's
Speaker 2: not kind of that dual, you know, opportunity to hit
Speaker 2: you from every angle with him and Tyreek Hill. It
Speaker 2: was like that last year they were able to just
Speaker 2: squeak by and figure it out. Remember they barely beat
Speaker 2: the Bengals in the AFC Championship game, they barely won
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. And this year it's kind of coming
Speaker 2: back to, you know, kind of the mean a little bit. Offensively,
Speaker 2: they're just not very good right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I one thing to support Kansas City. They're not
Speaker 1: very good right now. But boy, you look around Jacksonville's reeling,
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco and Cleveland, there's limitations. Yeah, Baltimore's leaking a
Speaker 1: little bit. They won today, but there's some leaks with
Speaker 1: that team. Jake Browning is a nice story. He's not
Speaker 1: a great quarterback. Miami is a team that Buffalo has
Speaker 1: always matched up well with, and I think Kansas City
Speaker 1: actually matches up well with. So sure say this. We
Speaker 1: viewed the AFC as superior year to the NFC. But
Speaker 1: between San Francisco, Dallas, and Philadelphia, the top of the NFC.
Speaker 1: To me, John is better than the top of the AFC.
Speaker 1: So I think Kansas City's got a shot just on
Speaker 1: Mahomes and coaching.
Speaker 2: Well, they're just gonna have to win these games like
Speaker 2: today right in the in the playoffs, they're gonna have
Speaker 2: to win a game twenty to seventeen. But for the
Speaker 2: first time, and honestly, it was like a lot like
Speaker 2: this last year, they could easily lose that game too, Like,
Speaker 2: is anyone gonna be surprised if they lose a game
Speaker 2: nineteen to fourteen in the playoffs like that? That's what
Speaker 2: it's gonna look like to the Baltimore Ravens to you know,
Speaker 2: I would say that they're not gonna lose the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2: But if that defense is on and Mahomes and they're
Speaker 2: struggling to score points, it's not inconceivable you lose seventeen
Speaker 2: to fourteen. I mean, this Chiefs team is probably not
Speaker 2: having back to back playoff games of twenty eight and
Speaker 2: thirty five points right right now. They know how to
Speaker 2: play this way because their defense is pretty solid. Their
Speaker 2: guys have been through the wars and they'll just need
Speaker 2: you know, if Kelsey's gets six catches for you, two
Speaker 2: of those might have to be touchdowns.
Speaker 1: All right, let's segue because I want to talk Niner Seattle,
Speaker 1: but not yet, Let's talk Denver Los Angeles Chargers. So
Speaker 1: this is one of my bets of the week. I
Speaker 1: had a winning week on Blazing five and one of
Speaker 1: my bets was this was a coaching mismatch. And I figured,
Speaker 1: if you take away the Denver game against Houston where
Speaker 1: they had a lot of turnovers for six of the
Speaker 1: seven weeks or five of the six weeks, Denver just
Speaker 1: plays good defense, doesn't turn it over, and Russell picks
Speaker 1: up first downs on third and four running around. They
Speaker 1: did it again today. They had one big play over
Speaker 1: the top Russe to Cortland Sutton who made a hell
Speaker 1: of a one handed catch. It was a great one
Speaker 1: of the plays today. But so Pete Carroll, defensive coach.
Speaker 1: One of my knocks on defensive coaches. They don't understand
Speaker 1: the urgency and importance of quarterback. They say they do,
Speaker 1: but they don't. Sort Of like guys who Sam Will Hey,
Speaker 1: I work hard for a living. They work forty two
Speaker 1: hours a week. Now fifty five to sixty is working
Speaker 1: hard for a living. So defensive coaches tend to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I take quarterback. Seriously, you don't really if you think Gino,
Speaker 1: you can leave Russ and go to Gino and Drew Locke,
Speaker 1: and Pete has trumpeted both. Right, So right now, Seattle
Speaker 1: six and seven and they're done. I mean they're basically
Speaker 1: their offense is praying that no offense DK Metcalf or
Speaker 1: one of their backs make a big player. There's no
Speaker 1: creativity to it. But so Denver's interesting. Go look at
Speaker 1: their schedule. They have Reeling Detroit, next the Chargers New England,
Speaker 1: which is like a soft tank Denver. John. I think
Speaker 1: Denver's gonna make the playoffs with ten wins. And it
Speaker 1: shows you the value if if the Denver Broncos higher
Speaker 1: Peyton immediately, Seattle never won this trade. It was always
Speaker 1: a bad idea. Couldn't I argue that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think it was time to
Speaker 2: pivot if you're going to keep Pete like they had
Speaker 2: run their course those two Pete and Russ, and I
Speaker 2: think watching this game today and I'm sure we'll get
Speaker 2: in some of these defensive coaches. You know, we've been
Speaker 2: talking about it forever. With Bill, You're seeing it with Tomlin.
Speaker 2: Isn't it just kind of time? Isn't it just kind
Speaker 2: of time? Like listen, I have nothing to say about
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley. It's been said over and over like that's done.
Speaker 2: My whole take on the Chargers is it doesn't work
Speaker 2: in La. It just doesn't. It really does not. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just and I know they're not gonna move, they
Speaker 2: just built, but it is. It's a disaster. They're never
Speaker 2: gonna have fans that their ownership. They're always gonna be
Speaker 2: second fiddle just to the other NFL team, let alone
Speaker 2: the Dodgers and the Lakers, dramatically bigger. If USC ever
Speaker 2: has a pulse in the Big ten, they'll be bigger.
Speaker 2: It's just never gonna work. I don't care if Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert has ten straight years that don't quite look like
Speaker 2: this year that he gets back on track and is awesome,
Speaker 2: even if they were to hire Jim Harbaugh, the Steve
Speaker 2: Balmer Clippers, Like, you know what I was thinking about
Speaker 2: this during the game. You know Balmber's mistake. He should
Speaker 2: have just gone to Vegas or Seattle with the team
Speaker 2: and ben the big fish in that pond, or been
Speaker 2: the only basketball team. It's never gonna work with the Clippers,
Speaker 2: but he has more of a fighting chance in the NBA.
Speaker 2: It's a little different. In the NBA football, they have
Speaker 2: no chance. They're never gonna have fans. It doesn't work.
Speaker 2: It's a freaking disaster. And today, like you said, I
Speaker 2: mean Sean Payton and that team is just more buttoned up.
Speaker 2: I don't think Denver's that great though, he gets a
Speaker 2: lot of credit for just figuring out what they do well.
Speaker 2: They kind of decon dunk though, like you said, the
Speaker 2: Sutton's a really good player defensively, the way he stood
Speaker 2: by Vance, Joseph Weather the Storm. They've played really good.
Speaker 2: They're only one game back right now the Chiefs now.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet on them to win the division. The
Speaker 2: Chiefs got the Patriots coming up right. But it's if
Speaker 2: I would have told you that five six weeks ago,
Speaker 2: that come right around a couple weeks before Christmas, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a one game separator, you would never
Speaker 2: No one would have believed you.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean Simmons on defense, Singleton, DJ Jones, Sertan,
Speaker 1: there's some real players. Bowles is a very good left tackle.
Speaker 1: I like both p Ryan and Williams.
Speaker 2: Delonte Williams is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cortland Sutton's a really good player. Their tight ends
Speaker 1: are capable. I think Jerry Judy's a bit of a miss,
Speaker 1: but he's he's enough of a speed threat that you
Speaker 1: have to defend him. And Russ is about eighty percent
Speaker 1: of what he didn't Seattle. You get one big play
Speaker 1: a game, tear drop throw a game, and about six
Speaker 1: scrambles for first downs, and it's a lot of dink
Speaker 1: and dunk. But what I will tell you this is
Speaker 1: that I don't think Sean Payton loves Russell. I don't
Speaker 1: think they fit. He's like not as athletic as Taysom
Speaker 1: Hill and not as accurate as Drew Brees. He's like
Speaker 1: seventy percent of both. So you get a little bit
Speaker 1: of both, and I think Sean would rather have the
Speaker 1: great athlete and the great thrower. He's got like a
Speaker 1: B plus at both B to a B plus. But
Speaker 1: I will say I looked at Denver's schedule. Here it
Speaker 1: is John Lions, New England Chargers, Raiders. John. They're gonna
Speaker 1: they're gonna win eleven games. They just wanted to thin
Speaker 1: get their seven and six. I think Denver's gonna make
Speaker 1: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would. He would definitely throw his hat in
Speaker 2: the ring if they went out and win eleven games
Speaker 2: for Coach of the Year. After the way it started,
Speaker 2: you could not deny it, not in a million years
Speaker 2: what I thought. Obviously today they I thought they were
Speaker 2: gonna win. But just the way this is gone crazy,
Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy. I also think, and You've been on
Speaker 2: this side forever, and I thought it was on full
Speaker 2: display today offensive coaches and really started on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Tomlin, he just lost to two teams
Speaker 2: with the combined coming into their games four and twenty records.
Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. It's over Pete Carroll today, his offensive player
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf's out of control, always causing fights. He can't
Speaker 2: do the offense. He has no impact over Obviously we've
Speaker 2: seen it with Bill You look Shane Steiken. I know
Speaker 2: they lost today, but having his team seven and six
Speaker 2: with Gardner minshew, what Kevin Stefanski's doing with the group
Speaker 2: of quarterbacks he's had rolling into Joe Flacco, Zach Taylor,
Speaker 2: was Jake Browning, I mean, all these offensive coaches, a
Speaker 2: lot of these guys are dealing with backup quarterbacks, yes,
Speaker 2: and are being very functional. Yet these defensive guys, Harbaugh
Speaker 2: got a little lucky today. I mean, Lamar pulled some
Speaker 2: crazy plays out. McVeigh screwed up the timeouts. But listen,
Speaker 2: they have a high level organization. He's part of that.
Speaker 2: But most of these defensive coaches, especially the older guys,
Speaker 2: like it just feels kind of over. I mean, we
Speaker 2: saw it with McDermott with the article, and then you
Speaker 2: see it all over the league. It's it's very, very
Speaker 2: difficult when your offense sucks and you can't do anything.
Speaker 1: John in the AFC, these are playoff teams Miami, Kansas City, Jags, Cleveland,
Speaker 1: Sincy all offensive coaches five o seven on the bubble,
Speaker 1: the Colts, Denver, and Buffalo. Now Buffalo won so they
Speaker 1: may be in. But Colts and Denver on the bubble.
Speaker 1: Offensive coaches in the NFC Philadelphia, San Francisco, Detroit despite
Speaker 1: their loss, Dallas, Minnesota, Green Bay six of seven offensive coaches,
Speaker 1: by the way, on the bubble, Rams Atlanta, both offensive coaches.
Speaker 1: Like I've been on this for years and I know
Speaker 1: it's probably tedious to my followers, but it's like a
Speaker 1: tidal wave now, and the only reason Buffalo is going
Speaker 1: to get in if they do, is because Josh Allen's
Speaker 1: a freak. I mean he's literally physically he's cam Ben,
Speaker 1: but more talented than Big Ben and Camp that's what
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think we're gonna see I think
Speaker 2: Schefters a couple weeks ago said potentially ten openings. You know,
Speaker 2: we'll see how it all breaks. Obviously, the AFC and
Speaker 2: NFC souths depending on who you know gets in and
Speaker 2: doesn't who they fire. But how could you hire anyone
Speaker 2: but an offensive coach, right because obviously the most important
Speaker 2: guy in your organization, whether you draft him high or
Speaker 2: whether he's already on your team and you're gonna pay
Speaker 2: a lot of money, is the quarterback. So wouldn't you
Speaker 2: want the coach? And most of these guys that you
Speaker 2: listed are all the play callers as well, so they're
Speaker 2: not only the head coach half the game, they're on
Speaker 2: the sideline impacting the game, like, let's face it, Tomlin, Pete,
Speaker 2: all these guys, even Vrabel, who I like, but he's
Speaker 2: having some offensive issues lately, just kind of call timeouts
Speaker 2: and give some raw ross speeches. Yet you watch Mike
Speaker 2: or I mean, Kyle McVeigh Stike and all these guys,
Speaker 2: they're impacting half the game at minimum, just with the
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys they got backup quarterbacks
Speaker 2: obviously during the week they're in them with the meeting rooms.
Speaker 2: The impact they have on a weekly basis, even separate
Speaker 2: from Sunday, it's hard to even quantify, especially the way
Speaker 2: the sports played now right, the rules are on the
Speaker 2: side of that guy dramatically, I mean, and it's only shifting.
Speaker 2: It's not like we're ever going back to the barbaric
Speaker 2: hits that we all grew up on, though those days
Speaker 2: are just over so. The offensive side of the ball,
Speaker 2: the offensive play callers, even these backup quarterbacks are proven,
Speaker 2: like you can function you with Jake brown Jake Browning
Speaker 2: is one of the crazy stories I've ever seen. Colin.
Speaker 2: I thought he was a mediocre college player at best.
Speaker 2: He looks really solid and it shows you high level
Speaker 2: guys in probably any industry. Football is no different than
Speaker 2: anyone listening to this. Whatever you do in the private sector,
Speaker 2: you can improve, and high level people constantly work at it,
Speaker 2: especially when they'reassionate about what they do and He's a
Speaker 2: great example. Chris Peterson, smart guy. He has gotten dramatically
Speaker 2: better than when he was the quarterback for a college
Speaker 2: football playoff team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go to the Seahawks losing in
Speaker 1: the Bay Area to San Francisco. The Niners average nine
Speaker 1: point nine yards per play. So I have said before
Speaker 1: and people see it as a critician with Brock Purtty,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think he's good. Which, by the way,
Speaker 1: if you told somebody my kids are good students, that
Speaker 1: would be like, oh bb plus if I said my
Speaker 1: kids are great students, those are a students. But in
Speaker 1: no industry is good. He's a good pilot. That means
Speaker 1: he's never crashed. Is he top of his class. He's
Speaker 1: a great pilot. That's Sully Sullenberger landing on the Hudson.
Speaker 1: But good in every industry is a nice thing to say.
Speaker 1: So I've always said Brock Purtty is good. But he
Speaker 1: made about three throws today and I'm like, okay, do
Speaker 1: I gotta go to very good? So now Debo's a
Speaker 1: matchup nightmare for Seattle's young corners. It was just a problem.
Speaker 1: But he made throws today and these were you know
Speaker 1: John so much of this league. You see it all
Speaker 1: the time. Even with San Francisco's clever offense, you get
Speaker 1: about three throws a game or kittles behind the corner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen that often. You get about three a game,
Speaker 1: maybe two, and pretty makes those every time. He doesn't
Speaker 1: miss much on that stuff. So, as somebody who knows
Speaker 1: the Niners has been around the Niners, I wonder, I
Speaker 1: really do. They're not going to pay him now, but
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: move off him. With Kyle's offense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, he's going nowhere. He's turning into the mobile
Speaker 2: Drew Brees. You know, I've been saying this now for
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. He's everything that I think the
Speaker 2: Browns and John Dorsey thought they were getting when they
Speaker 2: drafted Baker Mayfield number one overall. The accurate, explosive arm,
Speaker 2: but kind of the you know, he's not as outspoken,
Speaker 2: but he's got a little cockiness in the way he plays.
Speaker 2: And you know the big difference this Niner team under
Speaker 2: Perdy and what they were when they were successful and
Speaker 2: won a lot of games with Jimmy Garoppolo, Well, a
Speaker 2: lot of those games were like twenty three to twenty
Speaker 2: one because Jimmy never hit that guy wide open. Yes
Speaker 2: he never never did. He could hit the slant route,
Speaker 2: he could hit the quick screen, but he never made
Speaker 2: the explosive play. The other thing that Perdy brings to
Speaker 2: the table that I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 2: want to give him credit because he's a little white guy.
Speaker 2: He's a really good athlete. He is quick, he can move,
Speaker 2: and he is very he's a very accurate playmaker when
Speaker 2: he scrambles. So part of it is like, and this
Speaker 2: is what Andy Reeves always had, great scabatic guy, but
Speaker 2: he likes his quarterback from Farv to Donovan to Michael
Speaker 2: Vick to now Patrick Mahomes. Sometimes you have to make
Speaker 2: a play outside of what I call, and that leads
Speaker 2: to greatness. Like Josh Allen is what he does is insane.
Speaker 2: But Kyle like, not every play call he's gonna call
Speaker 2: is gonna work perfectly on time. Sometimes shit hits the fan,
Speaker 2: a guy slips, a defensive lineman gets through. I need
Speaker 2: the quarterback to bail me out, and Jimmy could not,
Speaker 2: and Purty really can't. Like I don't even see how
Speaker 2: anyone could argue, like bruck Perty's physically never gonna be
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. He's never gonna run down the field like
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. But if we all watch football, depending on
Speaker 2: how old you are most of your adult life, and
Speaker 2: you watch that guy play and go, that's a really
Speaker 2: good quarterback. I don't know what to say. Is he
Speaker 2: headed the Hall of Fame? We got a long way
Speaker 2: to go. How much they're gonna give him. They can't
Speaker 2: even pay him after the third year. So they got
Speaker 2: all this year and all the next year, and they
Speaker 2: honestly have the fourth year. They want to run it out.
Speaker 2: But this version of rock Perty, I mean, he's a
Speaker 2: lock NFC pro bowler right there. You know him and
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott are the only the clear guys in the
Speaker 2: NFC now that golf's kind of falling off and Jalen's
Speaker 2: banged up, Probably be Jalen, But like he's no doubt
Speaker 2: about it. And you could argue, I mean, you look
Speaker 2: around the NFL, we'll see how it like. Is he
Speaker 2: one of is? Was he a top five guy this year?
Speaker 2: This year? In a vacuum? I think you could make
Speaker 2: the argument when it's all said and done if he
Speaker 2: keeps going like this, because like you said, he's not
Speaker 2: some Alex Smith thinking dunk guy. This guy is pushing
Speaker 2: the ball down the.
Speaker 1: Feat, down the field. No, I mean debo. Today they
Speaker 1: had five hundred and twenty seven yards, so I mean
Speaker 1: this is and again when you watch my takeaway on
Speaker 1: this game, and they're just such a well, well run operation.
Speaker 1: The difference between a defensive coach Pete Carroll and an
Speaker 1: offensive coach. San Francisco has players wide open, is constantly
Speaker 1: fooling Seattle's defense. Seattle's big plays are Drew Locke, hits
Speaker 1: DK metcalf who just is so physically big. But Pete
Speaker 1: didn't get along with Russ. Dk Metcalf is I love him,
Speaker 1: but he is out of control. I start looking at
Speaker 1: Seattle John they're going to draft about fifteenth. That does
Speaker 1: give them a shot for quarterbacks. And at the very
Speaker 1: end of this, we're going to talk about Jayden Daniels,
Speaker 1: the kid from LSU who won the Heisman, because I
Speaker 1: want to spend five minutes on that. I have a
Speaker 1: theory on that. But I look at Seattle and my
Speaker 1: question to you is, what are they now? They're not clever,
Speaker 1: They don't have a quarterback, they had no real legitimate
Speaker 1: No offensive coach would have moved off Russell for Gino.
Speaker 1: That's not what an offensive coach would do. You'd have
Speaker 1: to have a better game plan. No coach I know
Speaker 1: that I respect offensively, and I've talked to a couple
Speaker 1: is a Drew Locke fan, So like, what is Seattle?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: They're six and seven? And I look around the NFC
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Green Bay looks like a playoff team
Speaker 1: to me, with an offensive coach and some twitchy athletes.
Speaker 1: What is Seattle?
Speaker 2: The Rams, I mean, the Ramps, tr really look like
Speaker 2: a playoff team as well.
Speaker 1: By week we could talk about that. But that first
Speaker 1: half that Sean McVay put up today, John, it was
Speaker 1: one of the best first halves by anybody. Like, I
Speaker 1: watched Seattle and I'm like, what the hell are they?
Speaker 2: Well, I look at Seattle the same way to the
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, and Mike's you know, a lot younger than Pete.
Speaker 2: So if he, you know, is looking for a job,
Speaker 2: it'd be much easier for people be lined up to
Speaker 2: hire him. I just think it's over both places. It's
Speaker 2: just over. It doesn't mean they're bad. I don't think
Speaker 2: they forgot football overnight. But don't things run their course?
Speaker 2: But Andy Reid once got fired in Philadelphia. Right, things
Speaker 2: just end? And I watched Pete Carroll to day, like
Speaker 2: he has no answers. He's done. He's had an incredible run.
Speaker 2: I think Greg Olsen, who was just awesome by the way.
Speaker 2: I mean, what an easy guy to listen to on
Speaker 2: the broadcast. Yeah, you know, his resume in Seattle speaks
Speaker 2: for itself. He resurrected the franchise. He's gave them a
Speaker 2: competitiveness that they did not have. But it's over, I think,
Speaker 2: and now obviously financially he makes a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Tomlin never had the losing season. Like, if I'm both
Speaker 2: those two teams and I'm Seattle, and I look at
Speaker 2: Sean mcvahan Kyle shanahan, like, how are we beating those guys?
Speaker 2: We're not because we've invested a ton of defense. It's
Speaker 2: not like they have a bunch of seventh rounders making
Speaker 2: no money on defense. I mean, Jamal Adams has to
Speaker 2: play and he gets cook and well, why do they
Speaker 2: want Jamal Adams? Because Pee Caroll, you know, thinking like
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety. A guy like that, you can't play, can't
Speaker 2: cover a soul, and you gotta can't cover anybody. You
Speaker 2: gotta be careful when you're tweeting about Jamal Adams. He
Speaker 2: gets he gets very edgy. He goes after yeah, significant others.
Speaker 2: But and I look the same thing with with Mike
Speaker 2: Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers, like it's just it's just
Speaker 2: run its course. It truly, even if the both of
Speaker 2: them squeak into the playoffs, I don't think that changes
Speaker 2: at all. You wouldn't bet on them to go anywhere.
Speaker 2: They'd be a one and done. They struggle to score,
Speaker 2: even the Gino Smith. It's it was an incredible story,
Speaker 2: but that had a shelf life to me. They got
Speaker 2: moving up in this draft, being aggressive draft, and you know,
Speaker 2: not one of the top two quarterbacks, but whoever they
Speaker 2: like as the third guy. They got that written all over.
Speaker 2: I just wonder, you know, just get rid of Pete
Speaker 2: and let John, you know, hire a young offensive coach.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Lions going to Chicago. Bears should
Speaker 1: have beaten him twice. They hammered him today. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting four or five weeks ago, both you and I
Speaker 1: would have said eber Flus gone, Justin Fields, move on.
Speaker 1: But what's interesting, and you and I both talk about
Speaker 1: this as a coach like USC's Lincoln Riley. The offense
Speaker 1: is fine, so I know I have a coach, right,
Speaker 1: it's the defense. If you watch the Bear's defense now,
Speaker 1: can't run on it. Number one in the league against
Speaker 1: the rush was going into today, excellent on third down,
Speaker 1: only allowed thirteen first downs with Jared Goff, that old line,
Speaker 1: those that tight end Laporta and Amoran Saint Brown. They
Speaker 1: had two picks, so you can say what you want.
Speaker 1: But this year when they got a Montes Sweat who
Speaker 1: had like four quarterback hurries today, now he's got some
Speaker 1: interesting defensive personnel. Well, now the defense is pretty good.
Speaker 1: Justin Fields nineteen to thirty three, a touchdown, sixty yards rushing,
Speaker 1: a touchdown, eight different targets. So now I don't think
Speaker 1: I think Klob Williams is too good to pass on.
Speaker 1: But what I do believe that Justin Fields has played
Speaker 1: well enough. Now, John, you could move him to an
Speaker 1: Atlanta and get a first round pick easily.
Speaker 2: I don't think you get a first round pick.
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 2: Still there's still some inaccuracy there to invest a first
Speaker 2: round pick into a quarterback. I couldn't trade a first
Speaker 2: round pick for Justin Fields second ago. I definitely could
Speaker 2: because I'm desperate. But he's going into his fourth year.
Speaker 2: The contract matters in football, right, so he's already used
Speaker 2: up three years of the chief contract. Fourth year. If
Speaker 2: you trade for him, the fifth year options on you.
Speaker 2: So let's say you picked that up. I mean, we
Speaker 2: saw what Green Bay did, right, they gave kind of
Speaker 2: that fake extension. Do you really the part of the
Speaker 2: fifth year option. I don't know what the number would
Speaker 2: be in a couple of years, but the reason it's big.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not ten million dollars. It's thirty five,
Speaker 2: forty million dollars or thirty two, and it's all guaranteed.
Speaker 2: It's a little like the poor man's franchise tag with
Speaker 2: a quarterback. So he's a little complicated that way. To me,
Speaker 2: I still see more of an athlete who and I'm
Speaker 2: a big fan of him coming out now. He hit
Speaker 2: the DJ Moore in a nice touchdown pass. Ideally with
Speaker 2: the Bears, like could I just turn Eberflus because he
Speaker 2: took over once that defensive coordinator got fired, and that
Speaker 2: we're just into the defensive coordinator and just hire like
Speaker 2: a Shane Steichen level guy to be my head coach.
Speaker 2: That's the idea, because eberflu is a pretty solid defensive coordinator. Yes, clearly,
Speaker 2: but we've just been talking about this. How could you
Speaker 2: let him make that decision. I'm out on it, and
Speaker 2: I'm still like to me, if I get the number
Speaker 2: one pick, I'm moving on because one, Caleb's just a
Speaker 2: better player than Fields. And the contract is such a
Speaker 2: game changer, right, and you get to recoup your second
Speaker 2: round pick that you gave up when you made a
Speaker 2: trade this year for Montes Sweat justin Fields and you
Speaker 2: kind of rehash I mean, if you get a good
Speaker 2: offensive coach there, they definitely have some pieces. Like you said, defensively,
Speaker 2: I didn't love the trade for Montes Sweat. Now it happened.
Speaker 2: Whatever they paid him, he's not going anywhere. Jalen Johnson
Speaker 2: has turned into an all pro level corner. He's making
Speaker 2: plays NonStop. Yes, DJ Moore is an excellent player. I mean,
Speaker 2: what the Carolina Panthers would do to probably redo that
Speaker 2: trade and trade one of the defensive linemen he kept
Speaker 2: him with the quarterback. But I'm still to me, Fields
Speaker 2: is still gone and the coach is still gone. Now
Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for him. Neither of
Speaker 2: the guys went in the tank. It would have been
Speaker 2: really easy, right because it was. It was fucking ugly,
Speaker 2: and especially justin Fields, shows showed a lot of mental
Speaker 2: fortitude this year. I actually think he's earned a lot
Speaker 2: of respect around the NFL. Like Zach Wilson had a
Speaker 2: good game, like Fields just kind of you know, he
Speaker 2: got injured, he battled back and came back better, didn't complain.
Speaker 2: That's kind of just acted like a acted like a
Speaker 2: grown up. So I think I don't even just think Atlanta,
Speaker 2: I mean there would be several teams I'm sure sniffing around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: quarterback desperation, the Raiders, I mean, Minnesota's quarterback situations. Kind
Speaker 2: of who knows who's running the Patriots next year? So
Speaker 2: maybe you know all takes this two people bidding to
Speaker 2: drive up the price, right, So yeah, maybe you can
Speaker 2: never discount a quarterback, especially these next three weeks. He
Speaker 2: continues to just put up good numbers. They keep winning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said this about Sam Darnold's or athletic than
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, but Sam was You could put together a
Speaker 1: four minute YouTube reel on Sam Donald if you're an agent.
Speaker 1: And he got a second chance in Carolina. Justin's too
Speaker 1: talented not to get a second chance. Somebody's gonna go.
Speaker 2: There's gonna He's an elite runner. He's an elite runner.
Speaker 1: And he has gotten better. He does make plays now.
Speaker 1: He had about thirty five fumbles and thirty seven starts.
Speaker 1: So he gives you about a turnover a game, which
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck gave you a lot of turnovers. So and
Speaker 1: by the way, Brett Farve did a different era, like,
Speaker 1: I can live with some of that if you give
Speaker 1: me something on the other end today, he'd get Detroit
Speaker 1: also not a very good defense, but I do think
Speaker 1: Eberflus would be a great defensive coordinator. But I think
Speaker 1: I'd go Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, and then the second pick,
Speaker 1: I would go get the best they have tackles they like.
Speaker 1: I'd go get the best defensive player in the draft,
Speaker 1: like Houston did with C. J. Stroud and Will Anderson.
Speaker 1: Just go get the best defensive rush end. There's not
Speaker 1: a great corner this year, but I went up watching
Speaker 1: it today I looked at it and I thought, here's
Speaker 1: the good news is that Justin Fields will good another shot.
Speaker 1: Good for him, But Chicago's gonna get a real draft pick.
Speaker 1: He's a real playmaker, no question.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think on the flip side in I think
Speaker 2: you and I are both pro Jared Goff guys. But
Speaker 2: he does look dramatically worse when it gets cold and
Speaker 2: he has to go outside. You know, he just he
Speaker 2: just you know, listen, I'm from not far away from
Speaker 2: where he grew up. It's understandable, you don't. He played
Speaker 2: at cal then he went to the Rams. He now
Speaker 2: plays in a dome. I think Derek Carr, who he's
Speaker 2: a better player than, fell under the same thing that
Speaker 2: you put him outdoors. I don't know what the temperature
Speaker 2: was there. It wasn't like crazy frigid, but it definitely
Speaker 2: wasn't a beautiful day. He's just not gonna be good
Speaker 2: and he looks dramatically worse. And it's they're a team.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, you know they're gonna
Speaker 2: end up being the three seed I would imagine, are
Speaker 2: going to bet against them in that first playoff game.
Speaker 2: The difference is they're they're way different in a dome.
Speaker 2: Look at last week against the Saints, they had twenty
Speaker 2: one points. Like that. They're much faster, they have a
Speaker 2: bunch of offensive personnel. Their defense sucks, but they can
Speaker 2: score so many points in the dome. I actually think
Speaker 2: the time to bet again then will be the second
Speaker 2: week on the road, where they probably get demolished. But
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are gonna pivot right
Speaker 2: with they play the Rams. Let's say in the first round,
Speaker 2: everyone's like the Rams are gonna kill Detroit's a very
Speaker 2: different team just in a dome in a controlled environment
Speaker 2: because of their quarterback and their skill. Guys are so fast.
Speaker 2: You put them outside. If I said week one they
Speaker 2: got to go to if they hypothetically they're not going
Speaker 2: to but like Ackering Bay or at Stanford, so they
Speaker 2: have no shot none, But they might just win a
Speaker 2: playoff game based on their quarterback is so good, you know,
Speaker 2: in a covered stadium.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk Rams Ravens because I thought
Speaker 1: it was a wildly entertaining game.
Speaker 2: Might have been a game of the year from an
Speaker 2: entertainment standpoint.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. And I got to say this about
Speaker 1: Sean mcvanna loss nobody's healthy. Cooper Cup is limping, Poka
Speaker 1: Nukua has banged up ribs, Matt Stafford grabbed his chest twice.
Speaker 1: The offensive line, they're just putting that thing. And we've
Speaker 1: watched NFC teams go out early window Detroit Seattle get humiliated.
Speaker 1: They should have won that game. I mean they really
Speaker 1: should have won that game. They lost on a punt
Speaker 1: return between Pooka game planning, Stafford, play calling, Cooper Cup,
Speaker 1: Williams the running back. They had a backup tight end,
Speaker 1: the kid their draft pick in the fifth round, fourth
Speaker 1: or fifth round, Davis Allen from Clemson. I just sat
Speaker 1: there and I thought, this is one of the best
Speaker 1: called games of the year by a coach. I thought
Speaker 1: it was a masterclass. Now McVeigh had some clock issues.
Speaker 1: This stuff's not easy. Andy Reid had those in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about in terms of execution with an
Speaker 1: offense where virtually John nobody is healthy. They got eleven
Speaker 1: guys out there banged up. Congrats to Baltimore. The Rams
Speaker 1: feel like a playoff team to me.
Speaker 2: Why I clicked on mcveigh's postgame press conference because I
Speaker 2: wanted to hear about how they guys screw up at
Speaker 2: the end. He didn't really. I wondered if like their
Speaker 2: headset went out sometimes on the quarterback as well, when
Speaker 2: you throw down the field, you don't get back, because
Speaker 2: that really killed him. It killed him in regulation when
Speaker 2: he had to burn the time out because then they
Speaker 2: couldn't throw over the middle of the field to have
Speaker 2: a chance at a touchdown. They had to just throw
Speaker 2: at the end zone right. And then even in the
Speaker 2: overtime on third and four when they got the delay
Speaker 2: a game, it set them back. I felt pretty good
Speaker 2: about them making a run. They had a lot of momentum.
Speaker 2: They had just stopped at three and out, and you
Speaker 2: could tell Sean was he did That's It's crazy. Those
Speaker 2: two guys were so awesome today. I mean, what a
Speaker 2: year McVeigh was. I wrote down with I thought they
Speaker 2: were gonna win. What a year for McVeigh turns down
Speaker 2: Amazon twenty million dollars a year. He comes back, he's
Speaker 2: a kid. He leads a terrible roster to the playoffs,
Speaker 2: like what a superstar, you know. But even in the loss,
Speaker 2: they feel like one of the hotter teams right now
Speaker 2: in the NFL. When Stafford is on. There were times
Speaker 2: today where you're like, that's what a fifty million dollar
Speaker 2: quarterback looks like. No questions. The toughness, because we know
Speaker 2: arm strength, we know the dots that he's throwing to Puka,
Speaker 2: and he threw a played a cup cup made an
Speaker 2: incredible catch. But his toughness to me is he's got
Speaker 2: a farvying quality to him when games like this in
Speaker 2: the rain, it's wet, ugly on the in Baltimore and
Speaker 2: they went toe to toe. If they won this game,
Speaker 2: I thought like, this is gonna be one of the
Speaker 2: hotter teams going to the playoffs. I still think they're
Speaker 2: gonna go to the playoffs, right because this was I mean,
Speaker 2: they were seven and a half point underdog, but those
Speaker 2: two guys, who wants to see McVeigh and Stafford right
Speaker 2: in just a big game.
Speaker 1: And you know sometimes Sean and I thought when they
Speaker 1: had that delay a game penalty, he can get too cute.
Speaker 1: And they had like a jumbo set they were moving into.
Speaker 1: It was a very complicated play and I'm like, Sean,
Speaker 1: you're on the road, just get this thing snapped and
Speaker 1: move the ball down. Stafford's hot and he's getting good
Speaker 1: protection kill but one of the things we've talked about before.
Speaker 1: Defensive coaches struggle with offensive line play. So Andy Reid
Speaker 1: has rebuilt out O line twice, right Belichick did twice
Speaker 1: three times with Dante Skarnekia. But offensive coaches are very
Speaker 1: good at this. This offensive line's not very good. They've
Speaker 1: got Dotson's a very good guard, haven Stein's a very
Speaker 1: good right tackle. They got Noteboom playing right guard. They
Speaker 1: have an undrafted guy at left tackle. They had a
Speaker 1: really good protection today. And in this league when everybody's
Speaker 1: going to backup quarterbacks, a lot of these defensive coaches
Speaker 1: using backup quarterbacks is because they can't manipulate the offensive line.
Speaker 1: And did you see Justin Herbert get smoked today? Brandon
Speaker 1: Staley defensive coach. Brandon Staley is six five, two forty.
Speaker 1: He got the blank kicked out of him today. And
Speaker 1: I mean stuff like Ragdall looked like nineteen eighties Joe
Speaker 1: Montana getting thrown around by like the New York Giants.
Speaker 1: So McVeigh is really done, and it's under the radar,
Speaker 1: and you're a former scout, so you know this. They
Speaker 1: have made that a very good run blocking O line
Speaker 1: with tackles, planning, guards Dotson was signed if you recall
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, personnel wise, they deserve a lot of credit obviously
Speaker 2: with the offensive line. But how good Nakua is. I
Speaker 2: mean that that kid is a stud. And the Kerwin
Speaker 2: Williams move, I mean that guy's a really good running
Speaker 2: back as well. I mean you watch. Part of what
Speaker 2: makes the Ravens right is they've been and for fifty
Speaker 2: twenty years under the Aussie run. They beside a couple
Speaker 2: players like a Lamar Jackson right or when they had Sugs,
Speaker 2: they kind of cycle everyone out. They love those comp picks.
Speaker 2: They let everyone walk, so they always have new players
Speaker 2: beside the guys they draft right that then stay on
Speaker 2: that rookie contract and then maybe one of the five
Speaker 2: guys that you think they should keep, they'll keep and
Speaker 2: they'll let the other four go. And they've just done
Speaker 2: an incredible job personnel wise. I think the Rams I
Speaker 2: bet against them because I was like, who are these
Speaker 2: random guys? I wouldn't have if you would have said
Speaker 2: Pooka Nakua' been like who the hell is that? You know?
Speaker 2: Seven months ago? But then you watch them personnel wise,
Speaker 2: obviously from a schematic standpoint of the coach. And I
Speaker 2: do think this gets back to you. You watch that game,
Speaker 2: you know, in an NBA game, like when Steph and
Speaker 2: Lebron are going, it's clear. You watch those two quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, these are two max quarterbacks, and then
Speaker 2: these are two guys, these guys like you watch Jared Goff.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like those guys are in a different
Speaker 2: planet and Jared Goff is goad player, right, And that's
Speaker 2: but you watch that game in the environment. Lamar made
Speaker 2: some plays today that you know part of I think
Speaker 2: McVeigh was very positive after the loss. There were some
Speaker 2: plays with the ravens in him that just what are
Speaker 2: you gonna do? You tip your cap to? I mean
Speaker 2: he's getting sacked, he's throwing the ball, and he's just
Speaker 2: like what is going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lamar has done this. John, if you remember
Speaker 1: in his first two to three years, he would go
Speaker 1: to his first look and then his second, and then
Speaker 1: he was off. There were multiple times today John when
Speaker 1: he moved left and right, he didn't want to run.
Speaker 1: He was his head was on a swivel. He was
Speaker 1: on a third guy, a fourth guy. Lamar has gotten
Speaker 1: much more willing to go to your third, your fourth receiver. Now,
Speaker 1: he can always run, but his maturity in the pocket.
Speaker 1: He moved out one time and it was I think
Speaker 1: it was the fourth quarter. He moved left and I'm like,
Speaker 1: run and he was just set on throwing the ball.
Speaker 1: That's a completely different mindset than three years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the touchdown late in regulation is a Flowers. So
Speaker 2: he was scrambling back and he has him on the
Speaker 2: move was just his You know, if you were gonna
Speaker 2: be bullish on Justin Fields, I think if you were
Speaker 2: another team trading for him, you go. You'd want to
Speaker 2: find out how they have worked on Lamar's touch over
Speaker 2: the years. Now, his arm he's not as dependent on,
Speaker 2: like a power arm. It's never really been his deal.
Speaker 2: You know, Fields is much more of like a power pitcher.
Speaker 2: But Lamar's touch, like that's what his purty hang has
Speaker 2: had on touch. Touch Lamar. Now, if you can move
Speaker 2: like that and have the touch, yes, they easily could
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl, right, I mean they unched in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. The way they're how good their
Speaker 2: defense is, how dynamic the quarterback is. Because even say
Speaker 2: the Niners are Dallas or whoever plays them in the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. You can do everything right. I mean absolutely everything.
Speaker 2: I mean Aaron Donald today probably is on the flight
Speaker 2: home as we speak, thinking I could add ten sacks
Speaker 2: all over them, but he would just maneuver, he would dive,
Speaker 2: another d lineman would hit him. Lamar's doing three sixties
Speaker 2: and usually you're like, what is going on? But you
Speaker 2: have full faith that he's gonna keep it alive, and
Speaker 2: he often does. Back to the Ravens, how the draft
Speaker 2: pick is a Flowers? I mean, is that just we
Speaker 2: talked forever about like the Patriots and just every time
Speaker 2: they draft a receiver like this guy's gonna stink the Ravens.
Speaker 2: Looking back, I should have been immediately this guy's probably
Speaker 2: gonna be like a Hall of Famer because that guy
Speaker 2: is just what a perfect fit for him in the court.
Speaker 2: And those two guys the next five six years watched
Speaker 2: the hell out because they they have immediate chemistries. They
Speaker 2: Flowers is a really good player.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, for some there's some reason
Speaker 1: I've had them number four in my top ten for
Speaker 1: weeks and I don't know why I have any misgivings
Speaker 1: because I love the coach and I love the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But for years you could argue they they didn't they
Speaker 1: didn't get receiver right. They'd been great at tight end
Speaker 1: back and they just couldn't quite They had a couple misses.
Speaker 1: Zay's a game changer. And sometimes those small guys they
Speaker 1: become gadget guys, you know, like Tyler Lockett became a
Speaker 1: really good receiver, but was viewed kind of into the
Speaker 1: league as a gadget guy. And then he's more than that.
Speaker 1: But a lot of times it was at Tevon Austin,
Speaker 1: the guy that came in.
Speaker 2: And they just John Ross.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just can't do much beyond nosey. Flowers can
Speaker 1: go into traffic, he can make all sorts of catches.
Speaker 1: So all right, let's close it out. Heisman. So I'm
Speaker 1: a big fan. I think Michael Pennick throws the best ball.
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is the most talented. Drake May's talent had
Speaker 1: but inconsistent. Bo Nicks feels like more of a system quarterback.
Speaker 1: So Daniels, the kid that was at Arizona State, didn't
Speaker 1: Daniels and Lsu. So I remember when Lsu Brian Kelly
Speaker 1: got him, and I remember going on Twitter and saying
Speaker 1: to people, I'm like, Okay, I watched this kid. He
Speaker 1: may weigh one hundred and sixty pounds, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's really good. And I couldn't believe the pushback I got.
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking to myself, well, it's Arizona State. They
Speaker 1: play night games. You're down there in Scottsdale. People just
Speaker 1: hadn't seen him play, so he don't bring a lot
Speaker 1: of games right, so they don't win games. And a
Speaker 1: Hern's a defensive coach. But I was like, I watched
Speaker 1: him enough on these late Pac twelve games. I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: this kid's good. He just needs to put weight on.
Speaker 1: So now he goes and he beats Joe Burrow's numbers
Speaker 1: and they don't have nerd to the team that Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow had. My argument is John, is he the second pick?
Speaker 1: Is he the quarterback? He moves?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't worry about his weight because he's got hype.
Speaker 1: Bryce Young is short and small. If he weighs one
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five, but he's six ' three, I
Speaker 1: don't worry as much about it.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I watched him last night on stage.
Speaker 2: You know, while he is thin. He's not small.
Speaker 1: That's true to me.
Speaker 2: He looked like a guy that you're never going to be,
Speaker 2: you know, Josh Allen two hundred forty five pounds, But
Speaker 2: definitely if I told you by the time he's twenty eight,
Speaker 2: he's two hundred and fifteen pounds, I bet it's hard
Speaker 2: for him to keep on weight right now, so as
Speaker 2: he ages. I also thought about it today or last
Speaker 2: night watching those guys on stage. You know what's crazy
Speaker 2: is all three of those quarterbacks were transferred guys, and
Speaker 2: we often everyone freaks out whenever something changes in college football.
Speaker 2: Yet all the good teams always benefit the most from
Speaker 2: anything that ever changes. Like you just Dylan Gabriel to
Speaker 2: do the changes transfer from Oklahoma is going to Oregon, right,
Speaker 2: So the other thing all those big programs have is
Speaker 2: the good coaches. So he goes to Brian Kelly. It
Speaker 2: changed his life, right, I mean it changed the trajectory.
Speaker 2: If he had stated Arizona State, probably no one's ever
Speaker 2: talking about him and he just has an up and
Speaker 2: down career and maybe he's like an undrafted free agent. Instead,
Speaker 2: I would imagine no player, because let's face it, Bo
Speaker 2: Nicks and Pennix had really really good seasons last year,
Speaker 2: so they were high on this guy. Not that he
Speaker 2: wasn't on people's radar, but no one was discussing him
Speaker 2: as a first round player. I think he's gonna end
Speaker 2: up going in the top ten when we see quarterback inflation.
Speaker 2: He did it in the SEC. The athleticism, that's the
Speaker 2: other thing, like part of like brock perty if he's
Speaker 2: the modern day Drew Brees, you gotta be able to move.
Speaker 2: I don't want a stagnant quarterback like Matt Stafford's kind
Speaker 2: of a dying breed. Either way, he plays right and
Speaker 2: he has a little Jared Goff is a relic. So
Speaker 2: to me, I need a guy now. I want them
Speaker 2: to throw. That's what Lamar's really turned into. Scramble to throw.
Speaker 2: It's what Russell in his prime was always great at.
Speaker 2: Moved to throw the ball down field, and that's what
Speaker 2: this guy became. And he also he had some of
Speaker 2: those runs at LSU or he's running like eighty yards.
Speaker 2: No one could catch him. So he has the high
Speaker 2: end speed, he has good arm strength, he's accurate, he's
Speaker 2: clearly not intimidated. I remember Phil Savage told me one
Speaker 2: time when he was the GM of the Browns. He
Speaker 2: h had all these guys before the game, all the
Speaker 2: you know, the rookies. They were all nervous, like sweating,
Speaker 2: and they're like, like, you just came from Alabama, LSU
Speaker 2: and Georgia, Like you've played in bigger games than this,
Speaker 2: but you get used to going in those environments. Right,
Speaker 2: He's played Alabama against LSU, He's played against Georgia like,
Speaker 2: he's played against where everyone an entire region cares. So
Speaker 2: he knows the pressure is what does bo Nicks really have? Right,
Speaker 2: he came from Offer, so he goes to Oregon. I
Speaker 2: mean it's a big deal up there. But he's been
Speaker 2: playing the SEC for three years. He can handle the pressure,
Speaker 2: which which I really like. You know, Caleb has been
Speaker 2: under the microscope. Probably the knock on Drake is how
Speaker 2: many of his games really mattered that much? And I
Speaker 2: like the guy, but you know that would be something
Speaker 2: that some of these other guys are just gonna have.
Speaker 1: It's a good point. And the other thing about Daniels
Speaker 1: that I like is that he doesn't have a red flag.
Speaker 1: So height not a problem. Panix has injuries not a problem.
Speaker 1: Drake either, Drake may inconsistent, He's not bo Nicks feels
Speaker 1: a bit like a low ceiling kind of a system quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's not so I mean, if you're asking me height,
Speaker 1: he's taller than Caleb, moves, arms strong enough, played in
Speaker 1: two schools, one in both, And again I think there's
Speaker 1: an sec there's something to be said about having to
Speaker 1: go on the road and face Georgia just there's just
Speaker 1: more NFL players in that conference, and there's Kirby and
Speaker 1: Nicker defensive coaches, So you're facing the best two defensive
Speaker 1: coaches in college football. I think, to me, and I
Speaker 1: love pan X. I think panicstows the prettiest ball in
Speaker 1: the sport. But I got to tell you, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked because he's also incredibly gracious. He was so
Speaker 1: good at the Heisman speech. And all these kids are
Speaker 1: really good. They're all First of all, you got to
Speaker 1: be a really mostly you have to be a good
Speaker 1: kid to go to a major program and deal with
Speaker 1: a lot of crap. You deal with media. So if
Speaker 1: you're not a great kid, you're smart enough to know
Speaker 1: what not to do. You know the temperature in the room.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell and Brian Kelly, John it's not
Speaker 1: easy on quarterback.
Speaker 2: So no, he's row. I think that's really gonna benefit
Speaker 2: a lot. I didn't know that much about him, honestly,
Speaker 2: beside you know, watching play a little bit at ASU
Speaker 2: and then last year. But to go and have that
Speaker 2: toward a type of season, what's their defense was atrocious?
Speaker 2: I mean if he wasn't good, that they would have
Speaker 2: been six and six if he wasn't a Heisman level player.
Speaker 2: And like you said, a lot of NFL guys have
Speaker 2: had really good careers playing for Brian Kelly. Why it's very,
Speaker 2: very difficult. He is on your ass. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: wired like an old school nineteen eighty Bill Parcells. So
Speaker 2: you did it at quarterback and had success when things
Speaker 2: in the program weren't really going well. Here's the other thing,
Speaker 2: how do you handle adversity? Well, what happens early on
Speaker 2: Game one against Florida State? They get boat raced. He
Speaker 2: doesn't play that well, and really the next whatever eleven games,
Speaker 2: he's just on fire. And he's the only reason. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: they weren't. They were so bad on defense, which is
Speaker 2: kind of weird for an LSU team. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I think he is going to be There's not
Speaker 2: much to nitpick really, just his history because this season
Speaker 2: so it's like, why did he transfer to Issue? Well,
Speaker 2: no one really cares the transfer thing. All these people
Speaker 2: in the NFL are very numb to it now. Just
Speaker 2: part of the deal. You know. Back in the day,
Speaker 2: it was always a little weird, like why do you transfer?
Speaker 2: Something go wrong? Right now, it's just kind of the
Speaker 2: price of admission way to do business, it's right, So
Speaker 2: I don't even think it really comes up. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: even talk about. It's kind of irrelevant for all these quarterbacks, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, they transferred and it changed. Look at the
Speaker 2: Washington State quarterback, Well, he to me, he's got a
Speaker 2: chance to be the next I don't know if he's
Speaker 2: going to have Jaan km Ward. What if he goes
Speaker 2: to Ohio State. I mean he's got a chance to
Speaker 2: everyone watched him all of a sudden become a first rounder.
Speaker 1: Well years ago in the NBA, if you left your
Speaker 1: team you were a sellout. People question your character if
Speaker 1: you wouldn't stick it out. Now, if you don't at
Speaker 1: least consider Bradley Beal moving, people are like or Dame
Speaker 1: We're like, what are you doing? You've got to move.
Speaker 1: It's like a character flaw. It's the same thing with transferring,
Speaker 1: Like if you don't transfer to a better program, there's
Speaker 1: sort of a you don't want to compete, You're okay
Speaker 1: being at Arizona State, and so it's like there's been
Speaker 1: a cultural to your point, a cultural change where I think,
Speaker 1: forget the stigma. I think transferring is, oh, you want
Speaker 1: to play with the big boys time, Yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to go to the The only one that's been strange
Speaker 1: is the kid from Oklahoma transferring to wash Oregon because
Speaker 1: it's two defensive coaches. They're both great programs arguably, I mean,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's the bigger national program. To me, it's like why.
Speaker 2: It's it's money call, it has to It's just purely
Speaker 2: you know this. Lane's been complaining about this for a
Speaker 2: little while because technically you're not supposed to quote unquote
Speaker 2: bee all the buy players. I mean, it's just that
Speaker 2: this is going to be, you know, an issue for
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, and I think you knew with the sec
Speaker 2: their financial just backing is not on the level of Texas.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Texas roster. This year's bought and
Speaker 2: paid for and rightfully, so it's stacked. I mean, you
Speaker 2: look at Dylan Gabriel, Oklahoma was like a top five
Speaker 2: offense in the country this year. Now, his offensive coordinator
Speaker 2: did leave the Mississippi he did. But I think that
Speaker 2: when they call you and they go, hey, we got
Speaker 2: one point five million dollars for you or two million dollars.
Speaker 2: And this is where Oregon and this is why if
Speaker 2: you were betting on them moving forward, their financial ability
Speaker 2: to take advantage of the Yes, that guy they want
Speaker 2: is gonna be like, why wouldn't you see a bed
Speaker 2: all over them? Right, I mean, why wouldn't all these
Speaker 2: TeVeS a lot? I'm sure they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I heard this is a number that was
Speaker 1: thrown out that Phil Knight gives about fifteen million to
Speaker 1: you know. You know, there's there's a number that he
Speaker 1: gives to the collective, you know, and that's what it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now I don't know if that number is right. I
Speaker 1: mean Phil again it Phil's one of the richest smartest people.
Speaker 1: It's probably the richest smartest person I've ever met. He
Speaker 1: and Mark Cuban. But there was a number somebody because
Speaker 1: Oregon's got the best collective by far in the PAC
Speaker 1: twelve by far. Yeah, yeah, it's it's usc.
Speaker 2: But most guys aren't. Most guys don't cost that much money, right, No,
Speaker 2: tied the quarterbacks you might get, I might cost a
Speaker 2: couple hundred thousand dollars. So if you had, honestly, if
Speaker 2: you had five million dollars, ye, if you can allocate
Speaker 2: maybe two to a quarterback and then spread around a
Speaker 2: couple of line men, maybe a dB, you'd be fine.
Speaker 2: You don't need some of these. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw that Marvin Harrison Junior, like someone would pay him,
Speaker 2: that's that's bullshit. Zero chance. That is not true. That's
Speaker 2: not the amount of money. Even Caleb, whatever he made
Speaker 2: this year was not as much as Bryce Young's making
Speaker 2: with the Caroline Ranthers.
Speaker 1: But Oregon, like a year ago, paid for a left
Speaker 1: tackle up in the Washington state area US. He thought
Speaker 1: they had him. Oregon came in and I you know,
Speaker 1: I heard the dollar figure and it was a couple
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, and I'm like, it's a high schooler.
Speaker 1: So I have been told that Oregon's collective is more
Speaker 1: dynamic than others. Not a surprise they they And by
Speaker 1: that for the record, you know, Phil Knight. If you
Speaker 1: go look at college football in the last fifty years,
Speaker 1: there's only one new power. It's Oregon. It's Phil Knight.
Speaker 1: And by the way, t Boon, Pickens and Oklahoma State
Speaker 1: they were a blip on the radar. He was commit well,
Speaker 1: you know, they were winning eight and nine football games
Speaker 1: a year. They had a good college basketball program. So
Speaker 1: there are these rare individual people. Phil Knight totally committed
Speaker 1: to athletics in Oregon. But I don't digrudge anybody. It's
Speaker 1: not a criticism. It's all legal. It is what it is,
Speaker 1: all right. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, Free and out
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