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Speaker 1: I know the nine to eleven story was a bad week.

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Speaker 2: I thought the moment that Travis Kelcey threw the ball

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Speaker 1: Listen, we know what coaching does. Look at Denver Nat

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Speaker 1: coaching matters. If you put Mahomes in Buffalo and Josh

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Speaker 2: But clearly it feels like a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: Let's talk Kansas City. So when you pay your quarterback

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Speaker 2: Well, Andy and Bret Veach have a little Al Davis

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Speaker 2: I mean, they cannot generate anything offensively with the wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I one thing to support Kansas City. They're not

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Speaker 2: Well, they're just gonna have to win these games like

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Speaker 2: nineteen to fourteen in the playoffs like that? That's what

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Speaker 2: it's gonna look like to the Baltimore Ravens to you know,

428
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Speaker 2: I would say that they're not gonna lose the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 2: But if that defense is on and Mahomes and they're

430
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Speaker 2: struggling to score points, it's not inconceivable you lose seventeen

431
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Speaker 2: to fourteen. I mean, this Chiefs team is probably not

432
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Speaker 2: having back to back playoff games of twenty eight and

433
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Speaker 2: thirty five points right right now. They know how to

434
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Speaker 2: play this way because their defense is pretty solid. Their

435
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Speaker 2: guys have been through the wars and they'll just need

436
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Speaker 2: you know, if Kelsey's gets six catches for you, two

437
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Speaker 2: of those might have to be touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's segue because I want to talk Niner Seattle,

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Speaker 1: but not yet, Let's talk Denver Los Angeles Chargers. So

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Speaker 1: this is one of my bets of the week. I

441
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Speaker 1: had a winning week on Blazing five and one of

442
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Speaker 1: my bets was this was a coaching mismatch. And I figured,

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Speaker 1: if you take away the Denver game against Houston where

444
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Speaker 1: they had a lot of turnovers for six of the

445
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Speaker 1: seven weeks or five of the six weeks, Denver just

446
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Speaker 1: plays good defense, doesn't turn it over, and Russell picks

447
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 1: up first downs on third and four running around. They

448
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Speaker 1: did it again today. They had one big play over

449
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Speaker 1: the top Russe to Cortland Sutton who made a hell

450
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Speaker 1: of a one handed catch. It was a great one

451
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Speaker 1: of the plays today. But so Pete Carroll, defensive coach.

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Speaker 1: One of my knocks on defensive coaches. They don't understand

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Speaker 1: the urgency and importance of quarterback. They say they do,

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Speaker 1: but they don't. Sort Of like guys who Sam Will Hey,

455
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Speaker 1: I work hard for a living. They work forty two

456
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Speaker 1: hours a week. Now fifty five to sixty is working

457
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Speaker 1: hard for a living. So defensive coaches tend to say, hey,

458
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Speaker 1: I take quarterback. Seriously, you don't really if you think Gino,

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Speaker 1: you can leave Russ and go to Gino and Drew Locke,

460
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Speaker 1: and Pete has trumpeted both. Right, So right now, Seattle

461
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Speaker 1: six and seven and they're done. I mean they're basically

462
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Speaker 1: their offense is praying that no offense DK Metcalf or

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Speaker 1: one of their backs make a big player. There's no

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Speaker 1: creativity to it. But so Denver's interesting. Go look at

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Speaker 1: their schedule. They have Reeling Detroit, next the Chargers New England,

466
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Speaker 1: which is like a soft tank Denver. John. I think

467
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Speaker 1: Denver's gonna make the playoffs with ten wins. And it

468
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Speaker 1: shows you the value if if the Denver Broncos higher

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Speaker 1: Peyton immediately, Seattle never won this trade. It was always

470
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Speaker 1: a bad idea. Couldn't I argue that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think it was time to

472
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Speaker 2: pivot if you're going to keep Pete like they had

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Speaker 2: run their course those two Pete and Russ, and I

474
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Speaker 2: think watching this game today and I'm sure we'll get

475
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Speaker 2: in some of these defensive coaches. You know, we've been

476
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Speaker 2: talking about it forever. With Bill, You're seeing it with Tomlin.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it just kind of time? Isn't it just kind

478
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Speaker 2: of time? Like listen, I have nothing to say about

479
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Speaker 2: Brandon Staley. It's been said over and over like that's done.

480
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Speaker 2: My whole take on the Chargers is it doesn't work

481
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Speaker 2: in La. It just doesn't. It really does not. I mean,

482
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Speaker 2: it's just and I know they're not gonna move, they

483
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Speaker 2: just built, but it is. It's a disaster. They're never

484
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Speaker 2: gonna have fans that their ownership. They're always gonna be

485
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Speaker 2: second fiddle just to the other NFL team, let alone

486
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers and the Lakers, dramatically bigger. If USC ever

487
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Speaker 2: has a pulse in the Big ten, they'll be bigger.

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Speaker 2: It's just never gonna work. I don't care if Justin

489
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Speaker 2: Herbert has ten straight years that don't quite look like

490
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Speaker 2: this year that he gets back on track and is awesome,

491
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Speaker 2: even if they were to hire Jim Harbaugh, the Steve

492
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Speaker 2: Balmer Clippers, Like, you know what I was thinking about

493
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Speaker 2: this during the game. You know Balmber's mistake. He should

494
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Speaker 2: have just gone to Vegas or Seattle with the team

495
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Speaker 2: and ben the big fish in that pond, or been

496
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Speaker 2: the only basketball team. It's never gonna work with the Clippers,

497
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Speaker 2: but he has more of a fighting chance in the NBA.

498
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Speaker 2: It's a little different. In the NBA football, they have

499
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Speaker 2: no chance. They're never gonna have fans. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 2: It's a freaking disaster. And today, like you said, I

501
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Speaker 2: mean Sean Payton and that team is just more buttoned up.

502
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Speaker 2: I don't think Denver's that great though, he gets a

503
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Speaker 2: lot of credit for just figuring out what they do well.

504
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Speaker 2: They kind of decon dunk though, like you said, the

505
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Speaker 2: Sutton's a really good player defensively, the way he stood

506
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Speaker 2: by Vance, Joseph Weather the Storm. They've played really good.

507
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Speaker 2: They're only one game back right now the Chiefs now.

508
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't bet on them to win the division. The

509
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Speaker 2: Chiefs got the Patriots coming up right. But it's if

510
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Speaker 2: I would have told you that five six weeks ago,

511
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Speaker 2: that come right around a couple weeks before Christmas, it's

512
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Speaker 2: going to be a one game separator, you would never

513
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Speaker 2: No one would have believed you.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean Simmons on defense, Singleton, DJ Jones, Sertan,

515
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Speaker 1: there's some real players. Bowles is a very good left tackle.

516
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Speaker 1: I like both p Ryan and Williams.

517
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Speaker 2: Delonte Williams is good.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Cortland Sutton's a really good player. Their tight ends

519
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: are capable. I think Jerry Judy's a bit of a miss,

520
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: but he's he's enough of a speed threat that you

521
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Speaker 1: have to defend him. And Russ is about eighty percent

522
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Speaker 1: of what he didn't Seattle. You get one big play

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Speaker 1: a game, tear drop throw a game, and about six

524
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Speaker 1: scrambles for first downs, and it's a lot of dink

525
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Speaker 1: and dunk. But what I will tell you this is

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Speaker 1: that I don't think Sean Payton loves Russell. I don't

527
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Speaker 1: think they fit. He's like not as athletic as Taysom

528
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Speaker 1: Hill and not as accurate as Drew Brees. He's like

529
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Speaker 1: seventy percent of both. So you get a little bit

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Speaker 1: of both, and I think Sean would rather have the

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Speaker 1: great athlete and the great thrower. He's got like a

532
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Speaker 1: B plus at both B to a B plus. But

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Speaker 1: I will say I looked at Denver's schedule. Here it

534
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Speaker 1: is John Lions, New England Chargers, Raiders. John. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win eleven games. They just wanted to thin

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Speaker 1: get their seven and six. I think Denver's gonna make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he would. He would definitely throw his hat in

539
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Speaker 2: the ring if they went out and win eleven games

540
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Speaker 2: for Coach of the Year. After the way it started,

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Speaker 2: you could not deny it, not in a million years

542
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Speaker 2: what I thought. Obviously today they I thought they were

543
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Speaker 2: gonna win. But just the way this is gone crazy,

544
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: it's pretty crazy. I also think, and You've been on

545
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Speaker 2: this side forever, and I thought it was on full

546
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Speaker 2: display today offensive coaches and really started on Thursday night.

547
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Speaker 2: You know, Mike Tomlin, he just lost to two teams

548
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: with the combined coming into their games four and twenty records.

549
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 2: That's embarrassing. It's over Pete Carroll today, his offensive player

550
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf's out of control, always causing fights. He can't

551
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Speaker 2: do the offense. He has no impact over Obviously we've

552
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: seen it with Bill You look Shane Steiken. I know

553
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: they lost today, but having his team seven and six

554
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: with Gardner minshew, what Kevin Stefanski's doing with the group

555
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Speaker 2: of quarterbacks he's had rolling into Joe Flacco, Zach Taylor,

556
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Speaker 2: was Jake Browning, I mean, all these offensive coaches, a

557
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: lot of these guys are dealing with backup quarterbacks, yes,

558
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 2: and are being very functional. Yet these defensive guys, Harbaugh

559
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: got a little lucky today. I mean, Lamar pulled some

560
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: crazy plays out. McVeigh screwed up the timeouts. But listen,

561
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: they have a high level organization. He's part of that.

562
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Speaker 2: But most of these defensive coaches, especially the older guys,

563
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: like it just feels kind of over. I mean, we

564
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 2: saw it with McDermott with the article, and then you

565
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 2: see it all over the league. It's it's very, very

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Speaker 2: difficult when your offense sucks and you can't do anything.

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Speaker 1: John in the AFC, these are playoff teams Miami, Kansas City, Jags, Cleveland,

568
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Sincy all offensive coaches five o seven on the bubble,

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Speaker 1: the Colts, Denver, and Buffalo. Now Buffalo won so they

570
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: may be in. But Colts and Denver on the bubble.

571
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Speaker 1: Offensive coaches in the NFC Philadelphia, San Francisco, Detroit despite

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Speaker 1: their loss, Dallas, Minnesota, Green Bay six of seven offensive coaches,

573
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: by the way, on the bubble, Rams Atlanta, both offensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: Like I've been on this for years and I know

575
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Speaker 1: it's probably tedious to my followers, but it's like a

576
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Speaker 1: tidal wave now, and the only reason Buffalo is going

577
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Speaker 1: to get in if they do, is because Josh Allen's

578
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: a freak. I mean he's literally physically he's cam Ben,

579
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: but more talented than Big Ben and Camp that's what

580
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Speaker 1: he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think we're gonna see I think

582
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Speaker 2: Schefters a couple weeks ago said potentially ten openings. You know,

583
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Speaker 2: we'll see how it all breaks. Obviously, the AFC and

584
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: NFC souths depending on who you know gets in and

585
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: doesn't who they fire. But how could you hire anyone

586
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: but an offensive coach, right because obviously the most important

587
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: guy in your organization, whether you draft him high or

588
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: whether he's already on your team and you're gonna pay

589
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: a lot of money, is the quarterback. So wouldn't you

590
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Speaker 2: want the coach? And most of these guys that you

591
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Speaker 2: listed are all the play callers as well, so they're

592
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Speaker 2: not only the head coach half the game, they're on

593
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: the sideline impacting the game, like, let's face it, Tomlin, Pete,

594
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: all these guys, even Vrabel, who I like, but he's

595
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: having some offensive issues lately, just kind of call timeouts

596
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 2: and give some raw ross speeches. Yet you watch Mike

597
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: or I mean, Kyle McVeigh Stike and all these guys,

598
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: they're impacting half the game at minimum, just with the

599
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: and a lot of these guys they got backup quarterbacks

600
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Speaker 2: obviously during the week they're in them with the meeting rooms.

601
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Speaker 2: The impact they have on a weekly basis, even separate

602
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: from Sunday, it's hard to even quantify, especially the way

603
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: the sports played now right, the rules are on the

604
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: side of that guy dramatically, I mean, and it's only shifting.

605
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: It's not like we're ever going back to the barbaric

606
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: hits that we all grew up on, though those days

607
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: are just over so. The offensive side of the ball,

608
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: the offensive play callers, even these backup quarterbacks are proven,

609
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: like you can function you with Jake brown Jake Browning

610
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 2: is one of the crazy stories I've ever seen. Colin.

611
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: I thought he was a mediocre college player at best.

612
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 2: He looks really solid and it shows you high level

613
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: guys in probably any industry. Football is no different than

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Speaker 2: anyone listening to this. Whatever you do in the private sector,

615
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: you can improve, and high level people constantly work at it,

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Speaker 2: especially when they'reassionate about what they do and He's a

617
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 2: great example. Chris Peterson, smart guy. He has gotten dramatically

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Speaker 2: better than when he was the quarterback for a college

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Speaker 2: football playoff team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's go to the Seahawks losing in

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Speaker 1: the Bay Area to San Francisco. The Niners average nine

622
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Speaker 1: point nine yards per play. So I have said before

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Speaker 1: and people see it as a critician with Brock Purtty,

624
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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I think he's good. Which, by the way,

625
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Speaker 1: if you told somebody my kids are good students, that

626
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Speaker 1: would be like, oh bb plus if I said my

627
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: kids are great students, those are a students. But in

628
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Speaker 1: no industry is good. He's a good pilot. That means

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Speaker 1: he's never crashed. Is he top of his class. He's

630
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Speaker 1: a great pilot. That's Sully Sullenberger landing on the Hudson.

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Speaker 1: But good in every industry is a nice thing to say.

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Speaker 1: So I've always said Brock Purtty is good. But he

633
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Speaker 1: made about three throws today and I'm like, okay, do

634
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Speaker 1: I gotta go to very good? So now Debo's a

635
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: matchup nightmare for Seattle's young corners. It was just a problem.

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Speaker 1: But he made throws today and these were you know

637
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Speaker 1: John so much of this league. You see it all

638
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Speaker 1: the time. Even with San Francisco's clever offense, you get

639
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: about three throws a game or kittles behind the corner. Yeah,

640
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen that often. You get about three a game,

641
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: maybe two, and pretty makes those every time. He doesn't

642
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: miss much on that stuff. So, as somebody who knows

643
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: the Niners has been around the Niners, I wonder, I

644
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: really do. They're not going to pay him now, but

645
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: if he stays healthy, I don't know if you can

646
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: move off him. With Kyle's offense.

647
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, he's going nowhere. He's turning into the mobile

648
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 2: Drew Brees. You know, I've been saying this now for

649
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. He's everything that I think the

650
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 2: Browns and John Dorsey thought they were getting when they

651
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 2: drafted Baker Mayfield number one overall. The accurate, explosive arm,

652
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: but kind of the you know, he's not as outspoken,

653
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: but he's got a little cockiness in the way he plays.

654
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: And you know the big difference this Niner team under

655
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: Perdy and what they were when they were successful and

656
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: won a lot of games with Jimmy Garoppolo, Well, a

657
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: lot of those games were like twenty three to twenty

658
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 2: one because Jimmy never hit that guy wide open. Yes

659
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: he never never did. He could hit the slant route,

660
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: he could hit the quick screen, but he never made

661
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: the explosive play. The other thing that Perdy brings to

662
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: the table that I don't think a lot of people

663
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: want to give him credit because he's a little white guy.

664
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: He's a really good athlete. He is quick, he can move,

665
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 2: and he is very he's a very accurate playmaker when

666
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: he scrambles. So part of it is like, and this

667
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 2: is what Andy Reeves always had, great scabatic guy, but

668
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: he likes his quarterback from Farv to Donovan to Michael

669
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: Vick to now Patrick Mahomes. Sometimes you have to make

670
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: a play outside of what I call, and that leads

671
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: to greatness. Like Josh Allen is what he does is insane.

672
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: But Kyle like, not every play call he's gonna call

673
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 2: is gonna work perfectly on time. Sometimes shit hits the fan,

674
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: a guy slips, a defensive lineman gets through. I need

675
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback to bail me out, and Jimmy could not,

676
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 2: and Purty really can't. Like I don't even see how

677
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: anyone could argue, like bruck Perty's physically never gonna be

678
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Josh Allen. He's never gonna run down the field like

679
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson. But if we all watch football, depending on

680
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 2: how old you are most of your adult life, and

681
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: you watch that guy play and go, that's a really

682
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: good quarterback. I don't know what to say. Is he

683
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: headed the Hall of Fame? We got a long way

684
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 2: to go. How much they're gonna give him. They can't

685
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: even pay him after the third year. So they got

686
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: all this year and all the next year, and they

687
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 2: honestly have the fourth year. They want to run it out.

688
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: But this version of rock Perty, I mean, he's a

689
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 2: lock NFC pro bowler right there. You know him and

690
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott are the only the clear guys in the

691
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: NFC now that golf's kind of falling off and Jalen's

692
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: banged up, Probably be Jalen, But like he's no doubt

693
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: about it. And you could argue, I mean, you look

694
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: around the NFL, we'll see how it like. Is he

695
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: one of is? Was he a top five guy this year?

696
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: This year? In a vacuum? I think you could make

697
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: the argument when it's all said and done if he

698
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 2: keeps going like this, because like you said, he's not

699
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: some Alex Smith thinking dunk guy. This guy is pushing

700
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: the ball down the.

701
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: Feat, down the field. No, I mean debo. Today they

702
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: had five hundred and twenty seven yards, so I mean

703
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: this is and again when you watch my takeaway on

704
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: this game, and they're just such a well, well run operation.

705
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: The difference between a defensive coach Pete Carroll and an

706
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: offensive coach. San Francisco has players wide open, is constantly

707
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: fooling Seattle's defense. Seattle's big plays are Drew Locke, hits

708
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: DK metcalf who just is so physically big. But Pete

709
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: didn't get along with Russ. Dk Metcalf is I love him,

710
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: but he is out of control. I start looking at

711
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: Seattle John they're going to draft about fifteenth. That does

712
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: give them a shot for quarterbacks. And at the very

713
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: end of this, we're going to talk about Jayden Daniels,

714
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: the kid from LSU who won the Heisman, because I

715
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 1: want to spend five minutes on that. I have a

716
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: theory on that. But I look at Seattle and my

717
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: question to you is, what are they now? They're not clever,

718
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: They don't have a quarterback, they had no real legitimate

719
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: No offensive coach would have moved off Russell for Gino.

720
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: That's not what an offensive coach would do. You'd have

721
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: to have a better game plan. No coach I know

722
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 1: that I respect offensively, and I've talked to a couple

723
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 1: is a Drew Locke fan, So like, what is Seattle?

724
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 2: Now?

725
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: They're six and seven? And I look around the NFC

726
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Green Bay looks like a playoff team

727
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: to me, with an offensive coach and some twitchy athletes.

728
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: What is Seattle?

729
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: The Rams, I mean, the Ramps, tr really look like

730
00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: a playoff team as well.

731
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: By week we could talk about that. But that first

732
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: half that Sean McVay put up today, John, it was

733
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: one of the best first halves by anybody. Like, I

734
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: watched Seattle and I'm like, what the hell are they?

735
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: Well, I look at Seattle the same way to the

736
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, and Mike's you know, a lot younger than Pete.

737
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 2: So if he, you know, is looking for a job,

738
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: it'd be much easier for people be lined up to

739
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: hire him. I just think it's over both places. It's

740
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: just over. It doesn't mean they're bad. I don't think

741
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: they forgot football overnight. But don't things run their course?

742
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: But Andy Reid once got fired in Philadelphia. Right, things

743
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 2: just end? And I watched Pete Carroll to day, like

744
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: he has no answers. He's done. He's had an incredible run.

745
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: I think Greg Olsen, who was just awesome by the way.

746
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 2: I mean, what an easy guy to listen to on

747
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: the broadcast. Yeah, you know, his resume in Seattle speaks

748
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: for itself. He resurrected the franchise. He's gave them a

749
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:57,959
Speaker 2: competitiveness that they did not have. But it's over, I think,

750
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: and now obviously financially he makes a lot of money.

751
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: Tomlin never had the losing season. Like, if I'm both

752
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: those two teams and I'm Seattle, and I look at

753
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Sean mcvahan Kyle shanahan, like, how are we beating those guys?

754
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: We're not because we've invested a ton of defense. It's

755
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: not like they have a bunch of seventh rounders making

756
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: no money on defense. I mean, Jamal Adams has to

757
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: play and he gets cook and well, why do they

758
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 2: want Jamal Adams? Because Pee Caroll, you know, thinking like

759
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety. A guy like that, you can't play, can't

760
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: cover a soul, and you gotta can't cover anybody. You

761
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: gotta be careful when you're tweeting about Jamal Adams. He

762
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: gets he gets very edgy. He goes after yeah, significant others.

763
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 2: But and I look the same thing with with Mike

764
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers, like it's just it's just

765
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 2: run its course. It truly, even if the both of

766
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: them squeak into the playoffs, I don't think that changes

767
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 2: at all. You wouldn't bet on them to go anywhere.

768
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: They'd be a one and done. They struggle to score,

769
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 2: even the Gino Smith. It's it was an incredible story,

770
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: but that had a shelf life to me. They got

771
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: moving up in this draft, being aggressive draft, and you know,

772
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: not one of the top two quarterbacks, but whoever they

773
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 2: like as the third guy. They got that written all over.

774
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: I just wonder, you know, just get rid of Pete

775
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: and let John, you know, hire a young offensive coach.

776
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Lions going to Chicago. Bears should

777
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: have beaten him twice. They hammered him today. So it's

778
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: interesting four or five weeks ago, both you and I

779
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: would have said eber Flus gone, Justin Fields, move on.

780
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 1: But what's interesting, and you and I both talk about

781
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: this as a coach like USC's Lincoln Riley. The offense

782
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: is fine, so I know I have a coach, right,

783
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: it's the defense. If you watch the Bear's defense now,

784
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: can't run on it. Number one in the league against

785
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: the rush was going into today, excellent on third down,

786
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: only allowed thirteen first downs with Jared Goff, that old line,

787
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 1: those that tight end Laporta and Amoran Saint Brown. They

788
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 1: had two picks, so you can say what you want.

789
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: But this year when they got a Montes Sweat who

790
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: had like four quarterback hurries today, now he's got some

791
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: interesting defensive personnel. Well, now the defense is pretty good.

792
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: Justin Fields nineteen to thirty three, a touchdown, sixty yards rushing,

793
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: a touchdown, eight different targets. So now I don't think

794
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: I think Klob Williams is too good to pass on.

795
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: But what I do believe that Justin Fields has played

796
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: well enough. Now, John, you could move him to an

797
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: Atlanta and get a first round pick easily.

798
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: I don't think you get a first round pick.

799
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: What do you think?

800
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 2: Still there's still some inaccuracy there to invest a first

801
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: round pick into a quarterback. I couldn't trade a first

802
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: round pick for Justin Fields second ago. I definitely could

803
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 2: because I'm desperate. But he's going into his fourth year.

804
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 2: The contract matters in football, right, so he's already used

805
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 2: up three years of the chief contract. Fourth year. If

806
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 2: you trade for him, the fifth year options on you.

807
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: So let's say you picked that up. I mean, we

808
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: saw what Green Bay did, right, they gave kind of

809
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: that fake extension. Do you really the part of the

810
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: fifth year option. I don't know what the number would

811
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: be in a couple of years, but the reason it's big.

812
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's not ten million dollars. It's thirty five,

813
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 2: forty million dollars or thirty two, and it's all guaranteed.

814
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: It's a little like the poor man's franchise tag with

815
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: a quarterback. So he's a little complicated that way. To me,

816
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: I still see more of an athlete who and I'm

817
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: a big fan of him coming out now. He hit

818
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: the DJ Moore in a nice touchdown pass. Ideally with

819
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: the Bears, like could I just turn Eberflus because he

820
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: took over once that defensive coordinator got fired, and that

821
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: we're just into the defensive coordinator and just hire like

822
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: a Shane Steichen level guy to be my head coach.

823
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: That's the idea, because eberflu is a pretty solid defensive coordinator. Yes, clearly,

824
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: but we've just been talking about this. How could you

825
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: let him make that decision. I'm out on it, and

826
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: I'm still like to me, if I get the number

827
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: one pick, I'm moving on because one, Caleb's just a

828
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: better player than Fields. And the contract is such a

829
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: game changer, right, and you get to recoup your second

830
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: round pick that you gave up when you made a

831
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: trade this year for Montes Sweat justin Fields and you

832
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: kind of rehash I mean, if you get a good

833
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: offensive coach there, they definitely have some pieces. Like you said, defensively,

834
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: I didn't love the trade for Montes Sweat. Now it happened.

835
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: Whatever they paid him, he's not going anywhere. Jalen Johnson

836
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 2: has turned into an all pro level corner. He's making

837
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: plays NonStop. Yes, DJ Moore is an excellent player. I mean,

838
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: what the Carolina Panthers would do to probably redo that

839
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: trade and trade one of the defensive linemen he kept

840
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: him with the quarterback. But I'm still to me, Fields

841
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: is still gone and the coach is still gone. Now

842
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for him. Neither of

843
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: the guys went in the tank. It would have been

844
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: really easy, right because it was. It was fucking ugly,

845
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: and especially justin Fields, shows showed a lot of mental

846
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: fortitude this year. I actually think he's earned a lot

847
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: of respect around the NFL. Like Zach Wilson had a

848
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: good game, like Fields just kind of you know, he

849
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: got injured, he battled back and came back better, didn't complain.

850
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: That's kind of just acted like a acted like a

851
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: grown up. So I think I don't even just think Atlanta,

852
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: I mean there would be several teams I'm sure sniffing around. Yeah,

853
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 2: quarterback desperation, the Raiders, I mean, Minnesota's quarterback situations. Kind

854
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: of who knows who's running the Patriots next year? So

855
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: maybe you know all takes this two people bidding to

856
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: drive up the price, right, So yeah, maybe you can

857
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: never discount a quarterback, especially these next three weeks. He

858
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: continues to just put up good numbers. They keep winning.

859
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said this about Sam Darnold's or athletic than

860
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, but Sam was You could put together a

861
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: four minute YouTube reel on Sam Donald if you're an agent.

862
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: And he got a second chance in Carolina. Justin's too

863
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: talented not to get a second chance. Somebody's gonna go.

864
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: There's gonna He's an elite runner. He's an elite runner.

865
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: And he has gotten better. He does make plays now.

866
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: He had about thirty five fumbles and thirty seven starts.

867
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: So he gives you about a turnover a game, which

868
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck gave you a lot of turnovers. So and

869
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: by the way, Brett Farve did a different era, like,

870
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: I can live with some of that if you give

871
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: me something on the other end today, he'd get Detroit

872
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: also not a very good defense, but I do think

873
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: Eberflus would be a great defensive coordinator. But I think

874
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: I'd go Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, and then the second pick,

875
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: I would go get the best they have tackles they like.

876
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I'd go get the best defensive player in the draft,

877
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: like Houston did with C. J. Stroud and Will Anderson.

878
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: Just go get the best defensive rush end. There's not

879
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: a great corner this year, but I went up watching

880
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: it today I looked at it and I thought, here's

881
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: the good news is that Justin Fields will good another shot.

882
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 1: Good for him, But Chicago's gonna get a real draft pick.

883
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: He's a real playmaker, no question.

884
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think on the flip side in I think

885
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: you and I are both pro Jared Goff guys. But

886
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: he does look dramatically worse when it gets cold and

887
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: he has to go outside. You know, he just he

888
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: just you know, listen, I'm from not far away from

889
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,240
Speaker 2: where he grew up. It's understandable, you don't. He played

890
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 2: at cal then he went to the Rams. He now

891
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 2: plays in a dome. I think Derek Carr, who he's

892
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: a better player than, fell under the same thing that

893
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: you put him outdoors. I don't know what the temperature

894
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: was there. It wasn't like crazy frigid, but it definitely

895
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: wasn't a beautiful day. He's just not gonna be good

896
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 2: and he looks dramatically worse. And it's they're a team.

897
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people, you know they're gonna

898
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: end up being the three seed I would imagine, are

899
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: going to bet against them in that first playoff game.

900
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: The difference is they're they're way different in a dome.

901
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: Look at last week against the Saints, they had twenty

902
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: one points. Like that. They're much faster, they have a

903
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: bunch of offensive personnel. Their defense sucks, but they can

904
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 2: score so many points in the dome. I actually think

905
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: the time to bet again then will be the second

906
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: week on the road, where they probably get demolished. But

907
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are gonna pivot right

908
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: with they play the Rams. Let's say in the first round,

909
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: everyone's like the Rams are gonna kill Detroit's a very

910
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: different team just in a dome in a controlled environment

911
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: because of their quarterback and their skill. Guys are so fast.

912
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 2: You put them outside. If I said week one they

913
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: got to go to if they hypothetically they're not going

914
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 2: to but like Ackering Bay or at Stanford, so they

915
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 2: have no shot none, But they might just win a

916
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: playoff game based on their quarterback is so good, you know,

917
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: in a covered stadium.

918
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: I do want to talk Rams Ravens because I thought

919
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: it was a wildly entertaining game.

920
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 2: Might have been a game of the year from an

921
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 2: entertainment standpoint.

922
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: It was fantastic. And I got to say this about

923
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Sean mcvanna loss nobody's healthy. Cooper Cup is limping, Poka

924
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: Nukua has banged up ribs, Matt Stafford grabbed his chest twice.

925
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: The offensive line, they're just putting that thing. And we've

926
00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: watched NFC teams go out early window Detroit Seattle get humiliated.

927
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: They should have won that game. I mean they really

928
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: should have won that game. They lost on a punt

929
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: return between Pooka game planning, Stafford, play calling, Cooper Cup,

930
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: Williams the running back. They had a backup tight end,

931
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: the kid their draft pick in the fifth round, fourth

932
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: or fifth round, Davis Allen from Clemson. I just sat

933
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: there and I thought, this is one of the best

934
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: called games of the year by a coach. I thought

935
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: it was a masterclass. Now McVeigh had some clock issues.

936
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: This stuff's not easy. Andy Reid had those in Philadelphia.

937
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about in terms of execution with an

938
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: offense where virtually John nobody is healthy. They got eleven

939
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: guys out there banged up. Congrats to Baltimore. The Rams

940
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: feel like a playoff team to me.

941
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: Why I clicked on mcveigh's postgame press conference because I

942
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 2: wanted to hear about how they guys screw up at

943
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: the end. He didn't really. I wondered if like their

944
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: headset went out sometimes on the quarterback as well, when

945
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 2: you throw down the field, you don't get back, because

946
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 2: that really killed him. It killed him in regulation when

947
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: he had to burn the time out because then they

948
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: couldn't throw over the middle of the field to have

949
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,919
Speaker 2: a chance at a touchdown. They had to just throw

950
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: at the end zone right. And then even in the

951
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 2: overtime on third and four when they got the delay

952
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: a game, it set them back. I felt pretty good

953
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: about them making a run. They had a lot of momentum.

954
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: They had just stopped at three and out, and you

955
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: could tell Sean was he did That's It's crazy. Those

956
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: two guys were so awesome today. I mean, what a

957
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: year McVeigh was. I wrote down with I thought they

958
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: were gonna win. What a year for McVeigh turns down

959
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: Amazon twenty million dollars a year. He comes back, he's

960
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: a kid. He leads a terrible roster to the playoffs,

961
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 2: like what a superstar, you know. But even in the loss,

962
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: they feel like one of the hotter teams right now

963
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 2: in the NFL. When Stafford is on. There were times

964
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 2: today where you're like, that's what a fifty million dollar

965
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 2: quarterback looks like. No questions. The toughness, because we know

966
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 2: arm strength, we know the dots that he's throwing to Puka,

967
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 2: and he threw a played a cup cup made an

968
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 2: incredible catch. But his toughness to me is he's got

969
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: a farvying quality to him when games like this in

970
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: the rain, it's wet, ugly on the in Baltimore and

971
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,840
Speaker 2: they went toe to toe. If they won this game,

972
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: I thought like, this is gonna be one of the

973
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: hotter teams going to the playoffs. I still think they're

974
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: gonna go to the playoffs, right because this was I mean,

975
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 2: they were seven and a half point underdog, but those

976
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 2: two guys, who wants to see McVeigh and Stafford right

977
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: in just a big game.

978
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: And you know sometimes Sean and I thought when they

979
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: had that delay a game penalty, he can get too cute.

980
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: And they had like a jumbo set they were moving into.

981
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: It was a very complicated play and I'm like, Sean,

982
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: you're on the road, just get this thing snapped and

983
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: move the ball down. Stafford's hot and he's getting good

984
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 1: protection kill but one of the things we've talked about before.

985
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: Defensive coaches struggle with offensive line play. So Andy Reid

986
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: has rebuilt out O line twice, right Belichick did twice

987
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: three times with Dante Skarnekia. But offensive coaches are very

988
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: good at this. This offensive line's not very good. They've

989
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: got Dotson's a very good guard, haven Stein's a very

990
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: good right tackle. They got Noteboom playing right guard. They

991
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: have an undrafted guy at left tackle. They had a

992
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: really good protection today. And in this league when everybody's

993
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 1: going to backup quarterbacks, a lot of these defensive coaches

994
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: using backup quarterbacks is because they can't manipulate the offensive line.

995
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: And did you see Justin Herbert get smoked today? Brandon

996
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: Staley defensive coach. Brandon Staley is six five, two forty.

997
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: He got the blank kicked out of him today. And

998
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean stuff like Ragdall looked like nineteen eighties Joe

999
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: Montana getting thrown around by like the New York Giants.

1000
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: So McVeigh is really done, and it's under the radar,

1001
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: and you're a former scout, so you know this. They

1002
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: have made that a very good run blocking O line

1003
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: with tackles, planning, guards Dotson was signed if you recall

1004
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of the season.

1005
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, personnel wise, they deserve a lot of credit obviously

1006
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: with the offensive line. But how good Nakua is. I

1007
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: mean that that kid is a stud. And the Kerwin

1008
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: Williams move, I mean that guy's a really good running

1009
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: back as well. I mean you watch. Part of what

1010
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: makes the Ravens right is they've been and for fifty

1011
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: twenty years under the Aussie run. They beside a couple

1012
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,320
Speaker 2: players like a Lamar Jackson right or when they had Sugs,

1013
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: they kind of cycle everyone out. They love those comp picks.

1014
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: They let everyone walk, so they always have new players

1015
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: beside the guys they draft right that then stay on

1016
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,919
Speaker 2: that rookie contract and then maybe one of the five

1017
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: guys that you think they should keep, they'll keep and

1018
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: they'll let the other four go. And they've just done

1019
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 2: an incredible job personnel wise. I think the Rams I

1020
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: bet against them because I was like, who are these

1021
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: random guys? I wouldn't have if you would have said

1022
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 2: Pooka Nakua' been like who the hell is that? You know?

1023
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: Seven months ago? But then you watch them personnel wise,

1024
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: obviously from a schematic standpoint of the coach. And I

1025
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: do think this gets back to you. You watch that game,

1026
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, in an NBA game, like when Steph and

1027
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 2: Lebron are going, it's clear. You watch those two quarterbacks,

1028
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, these are two max quarterbacks, and then

1029
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: these are two guys, these guys like you watch Jared Goff.

1030
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, it's like those guys are in a different

1031
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: planet and Jared Goff is goad player, right, And that's

1032
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 2: but you watch that game in the environment. Lamar made

1033
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: some plays today that you know part of I think

1034
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,400
Speaker 2: McVeigh was very positive after the loss. There were some

1035
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: plays with the ravens in him that just what are

1036
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: you gonna do? You tip your cap to? I mean

1037
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 2: he's getting sacked, he's throwing the ball, and he's just

1038
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: like what is going on?

1039
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lamar has done this. John, if you remember

1040
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: in his first two to three years, he would go

1041
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: to his first look and then his second, and then

1042
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 1: he was off. There were multiple times today John when

1043
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: he moved left and right, he didn't want to run.

1044
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: He was his head was on a swivel. He was

1045
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: on a third guy, a fourth guy. Lamar has gotten

1046
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: much more willing to go to your third, your fourth receiver. Now,

1047
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: he can always run, but his maturity in the pocket.

1048
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: He moved out one time and it was I think

1049
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: it was the fourth quarter. He moved left and I'm like,

1050
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: run and he was just set on throwing the ball.

1051
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: That's a completely different mindset than three years ago.

1052
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the touchdown late in regulation is a Flowers. So

1053
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: he was scrambling back and he has him on the

1054
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,919
Speaker 2: move was just his You know, if you were gonna

1055
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 2: be bullish on Justin Fields, I think if you were

1056
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: another team trading for him, you go. You'd want to

1057
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 2: find out how they have worked on Lamar's touch over

1058
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: the years. Now, his arm he's not as dependent on,

1059
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 2: like a power arm. It's never really been his deal.

1060
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: You know, Fields is much more of like a power pitcher.

1061
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: But Lamar's touch, like that's what his purty hang has

1062
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: had on touch. Touch Lamar. Now, if you can move

1063
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: like that and have the touch, yes, they easily could

1064
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: win the Super Bowl, right, I mean they unched in

1065
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. The way they're how good their

1066
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 2: defense is, how dynamic the quarterback is. Because even say

1067
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 2: the Niners are Dallas or whoever plays them in the

1068
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. You can do everything right. I mean absolutely everything.

1069
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: I mean Aaron Donald today probably is on the flight

1070
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 2: home as we speak, thinking I could add ten sacks

1071
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: all over them, but he would just maneuver, he would dive,

1072
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 2: another d lineman would hit him. Lamar's doing three sixties

1073
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 2: and usually you're like, what is going on? But you

1074
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: have full faith that he's gonna keep it alive, and

1075
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: he often does. Back to the Ravens, how the draft

1076
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: pick is a Flowers? I mean, is that just we

1077
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 2: talked forever about like the Patriots and just every time

1078
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: they draft a receiver like this guy's gonna stink the Ravens.

1079
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: Looking back, I should have been immediately this guy's probably

1080
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: gonna be like a Hall of Famer because that guy

1081
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: is just what a perfect fit for him in the court.

1082
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 2: And those two guys the next five six years watched

1083
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: the hell out because they they have immediate chemistries. They

1084
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 2: Flowers is a really good player.

1085
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's you know, for some there's some reason

1086
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: I've had them number four in my top ten for

1087
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: weeks and I don't know why I have any misgivings

1088
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: because I love the coach and I love the quarterback.

1089
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: But for years you could argue they they didn't they

1090
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: didn't get receiver right. They'd been great at tight end

1091
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: back and they just couldn't quite They had a couple misses.

1092
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: Zay's a game changer. And sometimes those small guys they

1093
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: become gadget guys, you know, like Tyler Lockett became a

1094
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: really good receiver, but was viewed kind of into the

1095
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: league as a gadget guy. And then he's more than that.

1096
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: But a lot of times it was at Tevon Austin,

1097
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 1: the guy that came in.

1098
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 2: And they just John Ross.

1099
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just can't do much beyond nosey. Flowers can

1100
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: go into traffic, he can make all sorts of catches.

1101
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: So all right, let's close it out. Heisman. So I'm

1102
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: a big fan. I think Michael Pennick throws the best ball.

1103
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is the most talented. Drake May's talent had

1104
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: but inconsistent. Bo Nicks feels like more of a system quarterback.

1105
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: So Daniels, the kid that was at Arizona State, didn't

1106
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: Daniels and Lsu. So I remember when Lsu Brian Kelly

1107
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: got him, and I remember going on Twitter and saying

1108
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: to people, I'm like, Okay, I watched this kid. He

1109
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: may weigh one hundred and sixty pounds, but I'm like,

1110
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: he's really good. And I couldn't believe the pushback I got.

1111
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: Now I'm thinking to myself, well, it's Arizona State. They

1112
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: play night games. You're down there in Scottsdale. People just

1113
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: hadn't seen him play, so he don't bring a lot

1114
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: of games right, so they don't win games. And a

1115
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,959
Speaker 1: Hern's a defensive coach. But I was like, I watched

1116
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 1: him enough on these late Pac twelve games. I'm like, shit,

1117
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: this kid's good. He just needs to put weight on.

1118
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: So now he goes and he beats Joe Burrow's numbers

1119
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: and they don't have nerd to the team that Joe

1120
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: Burrow had. My argument is John, is he the second pick?

1121
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: Is he the quarterback? He moves?

1122
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

1123
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't worry about his weight because he's got hype.

1124
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: Bryce Young is short and small. If he weighs one

1125
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five, but he's six ' three, I

1126
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: don't worry as much about it.

1127
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I watched him last night on stage.

1128
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: You know, while he is thin. He's not small.

1129
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: That's true to me.

1130
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 2: He looked like a guy that you're never going to be,

1131
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: you know, Josh Allen two hundred forty five pounds, But

1132
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 2: definitely if I told you by the time he's twenty eight,

1133
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: he's two hundred and fifteen pounds, I bet it's hard

1134
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: for him to keep on weight right now, so as

1135
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: he ages. I also thought about it today or last

1136
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 2: night watching those guys on stage. You know what's crazy

1137
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: is all three of those quarterbacks were transferred guys, and

1138
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 2: we often everyone freaks out whenever something changes in college football.

1139
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: Yet all the good teams always benefit the most from

1140
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: anything that ever changes. Like you just Dylan Gabriel to

1141
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: do the changes transfer from Oklahoma is going to Oregon, right,

1142
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: So the other thing all those big programs have is

1143
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: the good coaches. So he goes to Brian Kelly. It

1144
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: changed his life, right, I mean it changed the trajectory.

1145
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 2: If he had stated Arizona State, probably no one's ever

1146
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: talking about him and he just has an up and

1147
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 2: down career and maybe he's like an undrafted free agent. Instead,

1148
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: I would imagine no player, because let's face it, Bo

1149
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 2: Nicks and Pennix had really really good seasons last year,

1150
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: so they were high on this guy. Not that he

1151
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 2: wasn't on people's radar, but no one was discussing him

1152
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: as a first round player. I think he's gonna end

1153
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: up going in the top ten when we see quarterback inflation.

1154
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 2: He did it in the SEC. The athleticism, that's the

1155
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: other thing, like part of like brock perty if he's

1156
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 2: the modern day Drew Brees, you gotta be able to move.

1157
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 2: I don't want a stagnant quarterback like Matt Stafford's kind

1158
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 2: of a dying breed. Either way, he plays right and

1159
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: he has a little Jared Goff is a relic. So

1160
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 2: to me, I need a guy now. I want them

1161
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: to throw. That's what Lamar's really turned into. Scramble to throw.

1162
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: It's what Russell in his prime was always great at.

1163
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 2: Moved to throw the ball down field, and that's what

1164
00:56:57,600 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 2: this guy became. And he also he had some of

1165
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: those runs at LSU or he's running like eighty yards.

1166
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 2: No one could catch him. So he has the high

1167
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: end speed, he has good arm strength, he's accurate, he's

1168
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 2: clearly not intimidated. I remember Phil Savage told me one

1169
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: time when he was the GM of the Browns. He

1170
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 2: h had all these guys before the game, all the

1171
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 2: you know, the rookies. They were all nervous, like sweating,

1172
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 2: and they're like, like, you just came from Alabama, LSU

1173
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: and Georgia, Like you've played in bigger games than this,

1174
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 2: but you get used to going in those environments. Right,

1175
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 2: He's played Alabama against LSU, He's played against Georgia like,

1176
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: he's played against where everyone an entire region cares. So

1177
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: he knows the pressure is what does bo Nicks really have? Right,

1178
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: he came from Offer, so he goes to Oregon. I

1179
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: mean it's a big deal up there. But he's been

1180
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: playing the SEC for three years. He can handle the pressure,

1181
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 2: which which I really like. You know, Caleb has been

1182
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: under the microscope. Probably the knock on Drake is how

1183
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: many of his games really mattered that much? And I

1184
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: like the guy, but you know that would be something

1185
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: that some of these other guys are just gonna have.

1186
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: It's a good point. And the other thing about Daniels

1187
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: that I like is that he doesn't have a red flag.

1188
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: So height not a problem. Panix has injuries not a problem.

1189
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: Drake either, Drake may inconsistent, He's not bo Nicks feels

1190
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: a bit like a low ceiling kind of a system quarterback.

1191
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: He's not so I mean, if you're asking me height,

1192
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: he's taller than Caleb, moves, arms strong enough, played in

1193
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: two schools, one in both, And again I think there's

1194
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: an sec there's something to be said about having to

1195
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: go on the road and face Georgia just there's just

1196
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: more NFL players in that conference, and there's Kirby and

1197
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: Nicker defensive coaches, So you're facing the best two defensive

1198
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: coaches in college football. I think, to me, and I

1199
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: love pan X. I think panicstows the prettiest ball in

1200
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: the sport. But I got to tell you, I wouldn't

1201
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: be shocked because he's also incredibly gracious. He was so

1202
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: good at the Heisman speech. And all these kids are

1203
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: really good. They're all First of all, you got to

1204
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: be a really mostly you have to be a good

1205
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: kid to go to a major program and deal with

1206
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: a lot of crap. You deal with media. So if

1207
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: you're not a great kid, you're smart enough to know

1208
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: what not to do. You know the temperature in the room.

1209
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell and Brian Kelly, John it's not

1210
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: easy on quarterback.

1211
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: So no, he's row. I think that's really gonna benefit

1212
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: a lot. I didn't know that much about him, honestly,

1213
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 2: beside you know, watching play a little bit at ASU

1214
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: and then last year. But to go and have that

1215
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: toward a type of season, what's their defense was atrocious?

1216
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: I mean if he wasn't good, that they would have

1217
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 2: been six and six if he wasn't a Heisman level player.

1218
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: And like you said, a lot of NFL guys have

1219
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: had really good careers playing for Brian Kelly. Why it's very,

1220
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 2: very difficult. He is on your ass. I mean, he's

1221
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: wired like an old school nineteen eighty Bill Parcells. So

1222
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 2: you did it at quarterback and had success when things

1223
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 2: in the program weren't really going well. Here's the other thing,

1224
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: how do you handle adversity? Well, what happens early on

1225
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: Game one against Florida State? They get boat raced. He

1226
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: doesn't play that well, and really the next whatever eleven games,

1227
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 2: he's just on fire. And he's the only reason. I mean, honestly,

1228
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: they weren't. They were so bad on defense, which is

1229
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 2: kind of weird for an LSU team. But yeah, I

1230
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: mean I think he is going to be There's not

1231
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 2: much to nitpick really, just his history because this season

1232
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: so it's like, why did he transfer to Issue? Well,

1233
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: no one really cares the transfer thing. All these people

1234
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 2: in the NFL are very numb to it now. Just

1235
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: part of the deal. You know. Back in the day,

1236
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 2: it was always a little weird, like why do you transfer?

1237
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: Something go wrong? Right now, it's just kind of the

1238
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 2: price of admission way to do business, it's right, So

1239
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: I don't even think it really comes up. You wouldn't

1240
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: even talk about. It's kind of irrelevant for all these quarterbacks, right,

1241
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 2: I mean, they transferred and it changed. Look at the

1242
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: Washington State quarterback, Well, he to me, he's got a

1243
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 2: chance to be the next I don't know if he's

1244
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: going to have Jaan km Ward. What if he goes

1245
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 2: to Ohio State. I mean he's got a chance to

1246
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 2: everyone watched him all of a sudden become a first rounder.

1247
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: Well years ago in the NBA, if you left your

1248
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: team you were a sellout. People question your character if

1249
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 1: you wouldn't stick it out. Now, if you don't at

1250
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: least consider Bradley Beal moving, people are like or Dame

1251
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: We're like, what are you doing? You've got to move.

1252
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: It's like a character flaw. It's the same thing with transferring,

1253
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: Like if you don't transfer to a better program, there's

1254
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: sort of a you don't want to compete, You're okay

1255
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: being at Arizona State, and so it's like there's been

1256
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: a cultural to your point, a cultural change where I think,

1257
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: forget the stigma. I think transferring is, oh, you want

1258
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: to play with the big boys time, Yeah, you want

1259
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: to go to the The only one that's been strange

1260
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: is the kid from Oklahoma transferring to wash Oregon because

1261
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: it's two defensive coaches. They're both great programs arguably, I mean,

1262
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: Oklahoma's the bigger national program. To me, it's like why.

1263
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 2: It's it's money call, it has to It's just purely

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Speaker 2: you know this. Lane's been complaining about this for a

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Speaker 2: little while because technically you're not supposed to quote unquote

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Speaker 2: bee all the buy players. I mean, it's just that

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Speaker 2: this is going to be, you know, an issue for

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, and I think you knew with the sec

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Speaker 2: their financial just backing is not on the level of Texas.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look at Texas roster. This year's bought and

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Speaker 2: paid for and rightfully, so it's stacked. I mean, you

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Speaker 2: look at Dylan Gabriel, Oklahoma was like a top five

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Speaker 2: offense in the country this year. Now, his offensive coordinator

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Speaker 2: did leave the Mississippi he did. But I think that

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Speaker 2: when they call you and they go, hey, we got

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Speaker 2: one point five million dollars for you or two million dollars.

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Speaker 2: And this is where Oregon and this is why if

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Speaker 2: you were betting on them moving forward, their financial ability

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Speaker 2: to take advantage of the Yes, that guy they want

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Speaker 2: is gonna be like, why wouldn't you see a bed

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Speaker 2: all over them? Right, I mean, why wouldn't all these

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Speaker 2: TeVeS a lot? I'm sure they were.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I heard this is a number that was

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Speaker 1: thrown out that Phil Knight gives about fifteen million to

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Speaker 1: you know. You know, there's there's a number that he

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Speaker 1: gives to the collective, you know, and that's what it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now I don't know if that number is right. I

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Speaker 1: mean Phil again it Phil's one of the richest smartest people.

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Speaker 1: It's probably the richest smartest person I've ever met. He

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Speaker 1: and Mark Cuban. But there was a number somebody because

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Speaker 1: Oregon's got the best collective by far in the PAC

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Speaker 1: twelve by far. Yeah, yeah, it's it's usc.

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Speaker 2: But most guys aren't. Most guys don't cost that much money, right, No,

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Speaker 2: tied the quarterbacks you might get, I might cost a

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Speaker 2: couple hundred thousand dollars. So if you had, honestly, if

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Speaker 2: you had five million dollars, ye, if you can allocate

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Speaker 2: maybe two to a quarterback and then spread around a

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Speaker 2: couple of line men, maybe a dB, you'd be fine.

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Speaker 2: You don't need some of these. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you saw that Marvin Harrison Junior, like someone would pay him,

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Speaker 2: that's that's bullshit. Zero chance. That is not true. That's

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Speaker 2: not the amount of money. Even Caleb, whatever he made

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Speaker 2: this year was not as much as Bryce Young's making

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Speaker 2: with the Caroline Ranthers.

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Speaker 1: But Oregon, like a year ago, paid for a left

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Speaker 1: tackle up in the Washington state area US. He thought

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Speaker 1: they had him. Oregon came in and I you know,

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Speaker 1: I heard the dollar figure and it was a couple

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, and I'm like, it's a high schooler.

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Speaker 1: So I have been told that Oregon's collective is more

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Speaker 1: dynamic than others. Not a surprise they they And by

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Speaker 1: that for the record, you know, Phil Knight. If you

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Speaker 1: go look at college football in the last fifty years,

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Speaker 1: there's only one new power. It's Oregon. It's Phil Knight.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, t Boon, Pickens and Oklahoma State

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Speaker 1: they were a blip on the radar. He was commit well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they were winning eight and nine football games

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Speaker 1: a year. They had a good college basketball program. So

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Speaker 1: there are these rare individual people. Phil Knight totally committed

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Speaker 1: to athletics in Oregon. But I don't digrudge anybody. It's

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Speaker 1: not a criticism. It's all legal. It is what it is,

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Speaker 1: all right. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout, Free and out

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Speaker 1: at the Volume. We do about fifty to fifty five

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Speaker 1: minutes every Sunday. John Izola's money, great stuff.

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Speaker 2: See you, Colin, have a good night. The Volume