WEBVTT - “Gayle King To Leave CBS Mornings” 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:06.000 Hey there, everybody. It is Friday, October thirty first, yes, 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:12.240 Halloween twenty twenty five. And well, first it was Bill Owens, 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:16.400 the executive producer of sixty Minutes. Then it was Wendy McMahon, 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.360 the president of CBS News. Then it was Nora O'Donnell. 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:23.799 Then it was Stephen Colbert, then it was John Dickerson. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:29.080 And now we're getting word that it is Gail King 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.760 who could be leaving CBS. And with that, welcome everybody 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:34.839 to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohobs. This is, 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:41.280 I guess, a jolting headline for the industry. We shouldn't 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:43.560 be surprised to see this at all, though, right. 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.400 Well, there were predictions that there were going to be 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.200 major changes in shifts and potentially what and who we 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:55.120 see basically headlining CBS News, And if this is true, 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:58.400 this would be the biggest jolt of them all, for sure. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.080 You say, if this is true, and we're speaking on 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.680 it today, because it does come from a reputable outlet, Variety, 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:10.759 citing at least four sources with knowledge of the situation, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.920 say that the anchor, the head anchor, the star, the celebrity, 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:17.600 and the one who's been there longest at CBS News 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:21.120 on their morning show. Gail King would be leaving, is 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.880 expected to leave that show at least robes starting next 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:27.120 year when her contract is up. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.760 Yes, the headline specifically reads this, Gail King expected to 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:35.440 depart as CBS Morning anchor amid CBS News overhaul and 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:36.800 then says exclusive. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.839 And it says she could stay with CBS. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.640 That's part of their story or their reporting that she 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.680 would just be shifting roles in May when her contract 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.760 is up. But they say that CBS would like her 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.440 to stay with the company, but just perhaps not in 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.200 that role. It's unclear if she would be initiating this change, 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.080 if they are initiating this change we've seen in the 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.960 past or at least recently the folks who have left. 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:05.400 John Dickerson didn't say why, but the other folks have 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:10.720 left has specifically referenced the change in editorial direction. 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.080 Yes, and you're talking specifically, Wendy McMahon, you're talking specifically 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:20.959 Bill Owens sixty minutes. Again, we talked about that when 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.920 he stepped out. That's a job, that is the ultimate job. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:27.120 You do not leave something is going on of the 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:31.560 utmost seriousness. If you voluntarily step out of that job. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:35.000 So of course folks are familiar with the mergers that 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.960 have been going on Skydan Spy's Paramount. They plays Barry 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:42.399 Weiss someone. Is it fair to say she's an entrepreneur 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.359 when it comes to journalism online? But is she certainly 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.360 a conservative? She's been. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:49.040 Yes, she was a conservative voice and a conservative of 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:51.840 republican op ed columnist for the New York Times at 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.399 one point. Even so, she has not been shy about 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.200 sharing her political leanings. 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.240 Okay, so she is the one now in charge to 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:02.520 be in charge of CBS News, and yes, they're going 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.200 through some changes. They just announced a round of layoffs 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.760 over at Paramounts, some of them touching CBS News. They 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.600 expect more, but changes. This is what happens. But when 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.440 you start seeing robes, it concerns people. But we've now 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.560 been seeing it for a couple of years. If you 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.600 go back to hod of cod by Lester Holt, who 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:23.040 have been leaving jobs, these are big, big jobs and 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:26.600 they're voluntarily stepping away. At least that's what we're being 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:27.320 told publicly. 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.440 The idea is that the ratings just aren't what they were, 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:35.120 and so the money isn't what it was meaning the profits. 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:36.720 And so these folks. 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:42.560 These big names, these major broadcast news anchors, have major salaries, 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:46.200 and so the reporting has been that these folks have 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.400 been offered or were offered a version of staying at 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.160 the networks just for a lot less money. And so 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:55.600 a lot of these big names have chosen to leave 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:01.960 or massively scale back their duties to justify this lowered salary. 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:03.400 More power makes sense. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.840 And some of them have stuck around in different capacities. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.640 And that's fine, dude, am I'm not overstating, right, She's 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:13.760 the biggest star of CBS News. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.280 She might be one of the only stars that people 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.600 could still name. Yes, there's Jane Pauly and Leslie Stall. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:21.839 I think there are some other names that you know of, 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.680 like very I mean we're talking women though in their 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:25.920 what eighties at this point. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:27.840 They have been big names for a long long time. 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:28.800 But in terms of like. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.880 Modern current biggest talent at CBS News, I would say 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.839 it's absolutely guiltcare right, yes. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.680 And she has been in that role for I didn't 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:38.800 realize it was that long. Was a twelve twelve year 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:42.400 twelve that is a that is not a small feat 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:44.800 to be able to do that these. 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:49.839 Days, especially when you're the third ranked morning show and 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:53.440 everyone around you has been moved and changed and has 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.640 left to try and change or pick up or do 0:04:56.760 --> 0:04:59.240 something to the rating. So the fact that she's survived 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:03.960 many different iterations of including a name change for the 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.120 morning show, the fact that we actually didn't know what 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.560 the show is called anymore. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.040 We were a little confused. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.240 It is right now CBS Mornings, but it was CBS 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:17.320 this Morning when she started, and it wasn't twenty twelve. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.760 That was Charlie Rose, Nora O'Donnell, and Gail King in 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:26.760 twenty twelve. Of course, has gone through several iterations and 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:31.320 several anchors since twenty twelve, and she has been the 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.960 constant look. She's brought all a lot. She is the face 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.200 of that network in almost every way. She is a celebrity. 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.960 She's brought Oprah on board over there. We all remember 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:44.640 with that R. Kelly interview and how she handled that 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:49.400 absolutely brilliantly. That raised her profile even more. She's kind 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.960 of it. But we say all that robes they have 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.320 barely no excuse me, they have never gotten out a 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:54.880 third place. 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:58.200 No, not in modern history. I don't remember a time 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.240 since we were in the network morning show game. They 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.000 were always not just a third, but folks would often 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.279 write distant third. 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:07.160 It wasn't even a competitive third. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.320 So but still get away from the ratings for a second. 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.120 There's a matter of value that she's adding to CBS 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.600 that I can't imagine them voluntarily giving up. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:17.760 We've talked about this look. When it comes to morning 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:21.440 show ratings wars. A lot of times it's about the bookings. 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.120 Who you can get to sit down with a journalist 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.840 on your team, and when you have star power, when 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.240 you're Oprah's best friend, when you've got the name and 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.040 face recognition that Gail King has, that makes a big 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.919 difference in terms of getting big interviews and beg gets. 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.800 They're always competitive among the three morning shows. You want 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.839 your star talent out there recruiting for you. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.320 And she's a draw. I mean she If you're if 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.560 you're having a conversation with somebody, Okay, you want to 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:52.320 go to the number one, the number two, or the 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:54.479 number three. Most people say, wow, I don't want to 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.600 go to the number three. Oh wait, Gail is over there. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.520 That is really a part of the game, and she 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:02.400 is a part of a draw in that way that 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.160 has nothing to do with a viewer deciding I want 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.280 to watch Gail Kane this morning. What's after that. I'm 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:10.440 sure they do their research and they're looking for whatever, 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:12.640 but I don't know what direction they're going to go, 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.080 but she just seems to be a household name in 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.520 a way. This made me concerned when I saw this 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.760 robes about what's going to happen to morning shows because 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.200 we never thought that in late night show would get canceled, 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:30.440 and CBS has already done that with Colbert, not canceled him, 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:35.360 canceled the show exactly right, So it's hard to fathom 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:36.960 broadcast morning shows going on. It. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.480 Actually it makes me feel it's sad. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:39.960 I hate that. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:41.680 It's sad because you see the. 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:44.320 End of an era and something that not only was 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.480 important in terms of bringing information to people watching in 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.800 the mornings as they were getting their routine down, they're 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.080 listening to the news, and of course that's important, but 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:56.480 just as a part of our culture and a part 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.640 of life, you know, I remember growing up all of us, 0:07:59.680 --> 0:08:02.320 do I think probably listening having a morning show on 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:06.240 in the background. It was just a constant and to 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.200 think of it, going away, And certainly it's obviously become 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.480 less significant and less relevant. We know that, but to 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.880 see it potentially even become just a shell of what 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.120 it was is sad. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.720 And specifically when you talk about CBS. 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.360 Yes, we just got word John Dickerson, the co anchor 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.480 of the evening news program, is stepping down. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:27.360 Two days or three days ago. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.040 Well I've lost count now. 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.680 But no word about whether or not his co anchor, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.680 Maurice Dubois is sticking around. But certainly, Barry Wise, this 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:38.640 has been anticipated. She actually and this has been acknowledged, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.680 has even floated names around about who she'd like to 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:45.920 bring into CBS News. She wants a diversity of opinion 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.760 and a diversity of culture. And I'm not talking about black, brown, white, 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.800 We're talking about political diversity. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.520 Yeah, because they see it for so long, some do 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:02.160 as it's been one voice and one side there say okay, fine, 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:05.079 thank yourself out. There's just a matter of Look, it's 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.040 important to there are plenty of folks listening morning shows, 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.440 you all talking about it so fondly. It has never 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.120 been a part of my life, is not a part 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.400 of my day. There are people who have no clue 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.680 about broadcast morning shows. There folks probably under the age 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.040 of you take a poll walking down the street under 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.520 twenty one name a couple of morning show anchors might 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:24.439 take them a minute. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:26.400 Yeah, I bet you. They wouldn't be able to. 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:28.400 They might even have a hard time coming up with 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:31.000 the name of the program at this point when you're 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.560 talking about that young of an audience, because they simply 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:37.320 are not watching morning news show, and the ratings will 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:41.040 show that when you look at the demos, it's actually astounding, and. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.679 So to that point, it's tough to justify this stuff. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.360 So if you go back, Rose, I'm trying to get 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.880 my years right, So I'm gonna go twenty years twenty 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:53.920 years ago, what is this, twenty. 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.800 Twenty five, So twenty oh five, two thousand and five. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:02.200 That season the Today Show was number one, and they 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.199 were averaging that season about six to six and a 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.520 half million viewers. So you'll hear what I'm saying. The 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:11.199 number one morning show twenty years ago was averaging six 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:15.080 six and a half million viewers. The Today Show is 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:20.320 now in number two plays and their numbers now compared 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.120 to six million they used to get twenty years ago, 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.320 they getting about two and a half million now right, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:30.520 that was their average viewership the last season, and they 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:31.440 finished in number two. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:32.240 Those were the days. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.360 I was at the Today Show back then MSNBC Weekend, Today, 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:40.199 Today's Show, and talk about the money flowing. These salaries 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.040 of the anchors were leaked out. You're talking Matt Lauer 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.360 was making twenty million dollars a year. We were flying 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:51.720 all over the world. No budget was too big, and really, 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:54.080 I don't think anyone realized at the time that was 0:10:54.160 --> 0:10:57.120 the very end of the era, and things started to 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.600 change very dramatically after that. 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.640 Well, we were doing look not gonna it's not gonna 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:04.360 be an indictment of the industry. We're not gonna do 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.640 that class today. But the reality of the situation is 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.760 that you cannot sustain these salaries if you're not sustaining 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:15.120 these numbers. So we talk about twenty years ago where 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.680 the numbers were even then robes, when the Today Show 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:20.800 is getting six and six and a half CBS mornings, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:23.880 it was getting about three, like half the audience back then. 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:29.479 Now one point nine to four million viewers is the average. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:35.760 So you cannot justify being in third and paying I 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:40.200 guess whatever salary it might be it just the numbers 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.640 don't work out. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:43.600 And when you look at the demo, which is what 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:46.560 the advertisers are really looking at in terms of who 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:49.880 they're trying to advertise for, and that's what is that 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.720 twenty is twenty five to fifty. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.400 Four, and then there's an eighteen to forty nine. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.320 Right, twenty five to fifty four. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.160 You've got money, you've got experience, and they're trying to Obviously, 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:01.240 the younger demos even may be more important in moments 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:04.640 because you're trying to get viewers to establish a pattern 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.800 and to come back to you so that advertisers can 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.960 have someone to advertise to for many, many years. But yeah, 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.600 they only have three hundred. They have less than three 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.240 hundred and fifty thousand folks watching who are in that 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:23.520 coveted demo. That's a drop in the bucket. I mean, 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:27.560 what is that one percent of our population? Wow? 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.679 Three forty six. It's just to see it. It's been 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.400 going this way and people have been warning about it, 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:34.880 and we used to hear it all the time in 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.480 the hallways. Your industry is going away and that we say, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:41.640 and we did we kept I say we as a 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.160 part of this industry kept holding on, and some of 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:48.400 that was holding on to hope, not necessarily changing any strategy. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.120 You look at every morning show and it looks pretty 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.000 much the way it did twenty years ago. A couple 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.719 of anchers sitting behind the desk. There's some movements, some 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.040 new graphics, toss the weather. 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:58.120 It looks the same. It does. 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:01.880 It really does. So hasn't changed to evolve to what 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.280 maybe people want in their intention spans And. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.559 This is where we are, yeap, that is where we are, 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:09.880 and it's reported no one ever knows for sure, but 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:12.760 the last report Gail King just had signed a one 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:16.840 year edition last May, and she signed for ten million dollars. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.679 That's what That's what the report is. That's how much 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:20.160 she makes. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:23.720 And yeah, that's tough to justify when you have ratings 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.480 like we just talked about. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:31.320 And again she does, I think, a fantastic job. There 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:34.440 was a just a there is a way that she 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.240 goes about that I appreciate, right. I think people call 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.120 her Auntie a lot of times. She does. She comes 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:42.800 off sometimes, especially early on, she wasn't that. 0:13:44.240 --> 0:13:44.440 Well. 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.280 She didn't look like she was media trained at a 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.880 journalism department somewhere. She was just being herself, and there 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.199 was something warm about the way she handled r Kelly 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:57.280 is a that's the best example, Robert Robert, when he's 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:02.600 getting up flailing almost dangerously close to her. Robert, that is, 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.960 I guess an appeal she has that I absolutely love. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:08.000 I hope you stays. I hope she sticks around forever. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.800 There aren't many journalists like her. And you mentioned her warmth, 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:16.480 her authenticity. She's real and she's not putting on airs, 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:18.760 and I do think that that is something that you 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:22.080 don't often see. People are too polished, they're too perfect, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.640 they're too concerned about what other people think of them. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:28.560 She doesn't have any of those traits. She really does have. 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.200 She's somebody who you feel like you can trust. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.680 Yeah, I appreciate that, even her. Again, this is another big, 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.680 high profile moment they went does she went to space. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:40.480 That's how big of a star she is oway there. 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.720 That's what she brings to that place. And she runs 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.120 in circles with these folks, a lot of them. She 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.440 has access to them outside of being with CBS. She 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:51.560 leaves CBS. She's got these friends already. But it was 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.800 that space trip you talk about her authenticity. You remember 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:56.400 when she rang that she. 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.960 Was so scared please, She wasn't even trying to tell 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:02.120 like she was brave in that moment, she was scared 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.520 to death. That it was the phase I would have had, yes, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:08.680 And it was so relatable because yes, I think anybody 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.720 who's actually being honest probably would look and feel the 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:12.360 same way. 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.600 That was one of her best TV moments in my opinion, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.200 and she was authentic. But all of this being talked 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.560 about the reporting from Variety, The conversation is going on 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.080 everywhere right now. But what is CBS News saying about it? Yes, 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:27.840 they had to respond. Stay here, we'll tell you what 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:28.640 their statement was. 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:44.160 Continuing our conversation now about this very detailed and fairly 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:49.000 significant headline that we got from the credible news gathering 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:52.520 agency of Variety magazine. And they are reporting that Gail 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:57.200 King is expected to leave her position as the morning 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:02.200 show anchor at CBS News. And they say amid a 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.120 CBS News overhaul. 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:04.600 So the. 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.640 I guess they're suggesting that it might not be her choice, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:12.400 it might be CBS's choice. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.480 No one really knows, but they say. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:20.160 That they have four sources who have knowledge of this conversation, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:24.320 and obviously their reporting was significant enough for CBS to 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:25.640 release a statement. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.320 And this is where it for me, at least, I'm like, oh, 0:16:31.360 --> 0:16:35.840 this is real. Pay attention to these, to the wording. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.320 Governments are really good at it. Politicians are really good 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:44.600 at it. Put out statements that seem to be denying something, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.720 but certain things get left out. So this is how 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.480 CBS News responded to Variety quote, there have been no 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:55.800 discussions with Gail about her contract that runs through May 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:59.360 twenty twenty six. She's a truly valued part of CBS 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:03.200 and we look forward to engaging with her about the future. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:04.200 Correct. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.760 They did not deny that she would be leaving CBS 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:13.640 Morning Show whatever it's called, CBS This Morning, This Morning 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.840 Morning Stop, Oh my gosh, CBS Mornings. Okay, So they 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.320 did not deny that, and they just said they haven't 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.960 had a discussion with Gail. They could have been talking 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:31.119 to her agents, her representatives, and so that would still 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.200 be true if they were having conversations with her people. 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.320 You know, I'm very literal, right in all we do 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.840 in our relationship, everything we talk about it. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:43.240 Is to an annoyingly specific yes. 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.440 I take you at your word. And I am only interpreting, 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.359 not looking for a meaning. I am taking you for 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:50.920 what you say. 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:52.120 What I meant to say. 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:53.119 We don't want to hear it. 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.560 You know what I really meant was. 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.400 I'm just telling you what CBS said. And they say 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:02.879 there have been no discussions with about her contract. There 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:06.680 are no discussions with her about her contract that runs 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.800 through May twenty twenty six. Why did they need to 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:11.240 include the fact that the contract is up in May 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.320 of twenty twenty six. Now, Flip Coin, who knows? We 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.919 look forward to engaging with her about her. 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.400 Future, which could be a number of positions. 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.320 But it means it's uncertain. 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:24.080 Correct. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:27.639 You come out and say we love this woman, she 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:31.200 is everything to us, and we hope she never leaves 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.480 that chair. You don't even show a sign of support 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:36.560 for her in what she's currently doing. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:36.719 Now. 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:39.119 I don't know what discussions were had before this statement 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:42.119 went out, but I don't like that. I know what 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.080 it feels like to not be supported by the place 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:48.200 where you're working. You gotta say, yes, we know she's 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.680 a value part of CVS. We watch, we get e gate, 0:18:51.760 --> 0:18:54.159 we look forward to engaging with her. This almost sounds 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:58.000 like us versus her like, we're gonna come to battle 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.520 and figure out I don't like that much. I get it, 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.520 and we get the business ropes. We get that what 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.919 they put out and why they had to put this out, well, 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:09.639 that sucks. It sucks. 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.439 It does, and no word from Gail King herself. And 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:18.080 we actually watched Friday morning's broadcast just to see if 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:21.520 she would acknowledge it or say anything. We highly doubted 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.680 that she would, but just in case she did not. 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:27.240 But the big question is would she want to stay 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:29.720 after being taken off the show? 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:30.200 Could she? 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.000 I don't even want to say say face because she 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.000 may not want to stay on the show. It may 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:40.640 be her choice, and this statement from CBS News might 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:43.800 have been a reaction to them knowing she doesn't want 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:45.880 to stay on the show. We don't know what's going 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:47.640 on behind the scenes, and we don't know where her 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.920 head is. But there have been situations when it has 0:19:52.000 --> 0:19:54.840 been that person's choice, whether it was a financial decision 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:58.280 or what. But lester Holt decided to stay and continued 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.679 to do some date lines just to keep his you know, 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:02.720 his toe in the water, his foot in the game, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.320 and that can be nice. And we've seen other folks 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:07.399 like Diane Soyer do the same thing when she left 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.080 World News tonight, and so that's not unheard of at all. 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.600 But it also might be her choice. And that's a 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:17.080 grind getting up every single day at that time. Yeah, 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.240 that's a lot on her. Maybe she's I mean, she's 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.680 seventy now. Maybe she wants to kick back and take 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:23.120 it easy for a little bit. Maybe she can get 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.280 her own show, some kind of talk situation. There's all 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.120 kind of streaming options. She yeah, But at the same time, bro, 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.040 given all the turmoil, she might say, you know, let 0:20:32.080 --> 0:20:34.920 me go ahead and get on out of here. Well, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:36.480 just let it go and go live my life. 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:40.240 And seeing other prominent journalists take a truly what seems 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.919 to be a moral stand, or at least a stand 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:46.760 of integrity or ethics, journalism ethics, she may feel like 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.920 she's in really good company to do so, and she'll 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.760