1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. It is Friday, October thirty first, yes, 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: Halloween twenty twenty five. And well, first it was Bill Owens, 3 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: the executive producer of sixty Minutes. Then it was Wendy McMahon, 4 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: the president of CBS News. Then it was Nora O'Donnell. 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: Then it was Stephen Colbert, then it was John Dickerson. 6 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: And now we're getting word that it is Gail King 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: who could be leaving CBS. And with that, welcome everybody 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ Rohobs. This is, 9 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I guess, a jolting headline for the industry. We shouldn't 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: be surprised to see this at all, though, right. 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Well, there were predictions that there were going to be 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: major changes in shifts and potentially what and who we 13 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: see basically headlining CBS News, And if this is true, 14 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: this would be the biggest jolt of them all, for sure. 15 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: You say, if this is true, and we're speaking on 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: it today, because it does come from a reputable outlet, Variety, 17 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: citing at least four sources with knowledge of the situation, 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: say that the anchor, the head anchor, the star, the celebrity, 19 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: and the one who's been there longest at CBS News 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: on their morning show. Gail King would be leaving, is 21 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: expected to leave that show at least robes starting next 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: year when her contract is up. 23 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: Yes, the headline specifically reads this, Gail King expected to 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: depart as CBS Morning anchor amid CBS News overhaul and 25 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: then says exclusive. 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 3: And it says she could stay with CBS. 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: That's part of their story or their reporting that she 28 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: would just be shifting roles in May when her contract 29 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: is up. But they say that CBS would like her 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: to stay with the company, but just perhaps not in 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: that role. It's unclear if she would be initiating this change, 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: if they are initiating this change we've seen in the 33 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: past or at least recently the folks who have left. 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 2: John Dickerson didn't say why, but the other folks have 35 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: left has specifically referenced the change in editorial direction. 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: Yes, and you're talking specifically, Wendy McMahon, you're talking specifically 37 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: Bill Owens sixty minutes. Again, we talked about that when 38 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: he stepped out. That's a job, that is the ultimate job. 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: You do not leave something is going on of the 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: utmost seriousness. If you voluntarily step out of that job. 41 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: So of course folks are familiar with the mergers that 42 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: have been going on Skydan Spy's Paramount. They plays Barry 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 1: Weiss someone. Is it fair to say she's an entrepreneur 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: when it comes to journalism online? But is she certainly 45 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: a conservative? She's been. 46 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: Yes, she was a conservative voice and a conservative of 47 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: republican op ed columnist for the New York Times at 48 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 2: one point. Even so, she has not been shy about 49 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: sharing her political leanings. 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so she is the one now in charge to 51 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: be in charge of CBS News, and yes, they're going 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: through some changes. They just announced a round of layoffs 53 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: over at Paramounts, some of them touching CBS News. They 54 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: expect more, but changes. This is what happens. But when 55 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: you start seeing robes, it concerns people. But we've now 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: been seeing it for a couple of years. If you 57 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: go back to hod of cod by Lester Holt, who 58 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: have been leaving jobs, these are big, big jobs and 59 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: they're voluntarily stepping away. At least that's what we're being 60 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: told publicly. 61 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: The idea is that the ratings just aren't what they were, 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 2: and so the money isn't what it was meaning the profits. 63 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: And so these folks. 64 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: These big names, these major broadcast news anchors, have major salaries, 65 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: and so the reporting has been that these folks have 66 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: been offered or were offered a version of staying at 67 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: the networks just for a lot less money. And so 68 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 2: a lot of these big names have chosen to leave 69 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: or massively scale back their duties to justify this lowered salary. 70 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 3: More power makes sense. 71 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: And some of them have stuck around in different capacities. 72 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: And that's fine, dude, am I'm not overstating, right, She's 73 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: the biggest star of CBS News. 74 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: She might be one of the only stars that people 75 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 2: could still name. Yes, there's Jane Pauly and Leslie Stall. 76 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: I think there are some other names that you know of, 77 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 2: like very I mean we're talking women though in their 78 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 2: what eighties at this point. 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: They have been big names for a long long time. 80 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 3: But in terms of like. 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: Modern current biggest talent at CBS News, I would say 82 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: it's absolutely guiltcare right, yes. 83 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: And she has been in that role for I didn't 84 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: realize it was that long. Was a twelve twelve year 85 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: twelve that is a that is not a small feat 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: to be able to do that these. 87 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: Days, especially when you're the third ranked morning show and 88 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: everyone around you has been moved and changed and has 89 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: left to try and change or pick up or do 90 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 2: something to the rating. So the fact that she's survived 91 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: many different iterations of including a name change for the 92 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: morning show, the fact that we actually didn't know what 93 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: the show is called anymore. 94 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 3: We were a little confused. 95 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: It is right now CBS Mornings, but it was CBS 96 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: this Morning when she started, and it wasn't twenty twelve. 97 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: That was Charlie Rose, Nora O'Donnell, and Gail King in 98 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: twenty twelve. Of course, has gone through several iterations and 99 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: several anchors since twenty twelve, and she has been the 100 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: constant look. She's brought all a lot. She is the face 101 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: of that network in almost every way. She is a celebrity. 102 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: She's brought Oprah on board over there. We all remember 103 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: with that R. Kelly interview and how she handled that 104 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: absolutely brilliantly. That raised her profile even more. She's kind 105 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: of it. But we say all that robes they have 106 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: barely no excuse me, they have never gotten out a 107 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: third place. 108 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 2: No, not in modern history. I don't remember a time 109 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: since we were in the network morning show game. They 110 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: were always not just a third, but folks would often 111 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: write distant third. 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 3: It wasn't even a competitive third. 113 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: So but still get away from the ratings for a second. 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: There's a matter of value that she's adding to CBS 115 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: that I can't imagine them voluntarily giving up. 116 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 2: We've talked about this look. When it comes to morning 117 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: show ratings wars. A lot of times it's about the bookings. 118 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: Who you can get to sit down with a journalist 119 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: on your team, and when you have star power, when 120 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: you're Oprah's best friend, when you've got the name and 121 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 2: face recognition that Gail King has, that makes a big 122 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: difference in terms of getting big interviews and beg gets. 123 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: They're always competitive among the three morning shows. You want 124 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 2: your star talent out there recruiting for you. 125 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: And she's a draw. I mean she If you're if 126 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: you're having a conversation with somebody, Okay, you want to 127 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: go to the number one, the number two, or the 128 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 1: number three. Most people say, wow, I don't want to 129 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: go to the number three. Oh wait, Gail is over there. 130 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: That is really a part of the game, and she 131 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: is a part of a draw in that way that 132 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with a viewer deciding I want 133 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: to watch Gail Kane this morning. What's after that. I'm 134 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: sure they do their research and they're looking for whatever, 135 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: but I don't know what direction they're going to go, 136 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: but she just seems to be a household name in 137 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: a way. This made me concerned when I saw this 138 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: robes about what's going to happen to morning shows because 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: we never thought that in late night show would get canceled, 140 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: and CBS has already done that with Colbert, not canceled him, 141 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: canceled the show exactly right, So it's hard to fathom 142 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: broadcast morning shows going on. It. 143 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: Actually it makes me feel it's sad. 144 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: I hate that. 145 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: It's sad because you see the. 146 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: End of an era and something that not only was 147 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: important in terms of bringing information to people watching in 148 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: the mornings as they were getting their routine down, they're 149 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: listening to the news, and of course that's important, but 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: just as a part of our culture and a part 151 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: of life, you know, I remember growing up all of us, 152 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 2: do I think probably listening having a morning show on 153 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: in the background. It was just a constant and to 154 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: think of it, going away, And certainly it's obviously become 155 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 2: less significant and less relevant. We know that, but to 156 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: see it potentially even become just a shell of what 157 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: it was is sad. 158 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: And specifically when you talk about CBS. 159 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: Yes, we just got word John Dickerson, the co anchor 160 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: of the evening news program, is stepping down. 161 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: Two days or three days ago. 162 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 3: Well I've lost count now. 163 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 2: But no word about whether or not his co anchor, 164 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: Maurice Dubois is sticking around. But certainly, Barry Wise, this 165 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: has been anticipated. She actually and this has been acknowledged, 166 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: has even floated names around about who she'd like to 167 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: bring into CBS News. She wants a diversity of opinion 168 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: and a diversity of culture. And I'm not talking about black, brown, white, 169 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: We're talking about political diversity. 170 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they see it for so long, some do 171 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: as it's been one voice and one side there say okay, fine, 172 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: thank yourself out. There's just a matter of Look, it's 173 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: important to there are plenty of folks listening morning shows, 174 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: you all talking about it so fondly. It has never 175 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: been a part of my life, is not a part 176 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: of my day. There are people who have no clue 177 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: about broadcast morning shows. There folks probably under the age 178 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: of you take a poll walking down the street under 179 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: twenty one name a couple of morning show anchors might 180 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: take them a minute. 181 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you. They wouldn't be able to. 182 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: They might even have a hard time coming up with 183 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: the name of the program at this point when you're 184 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 2: talking about that young of an audience, because they simply 185 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: are not watching morning news show, and the ratings will 186 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: show that when you look at the demos, it's actually astounding, and. 187 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: So to that point, it's tough to justify this stuff. 188 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: So if you go back, Rose, I'm trying to get 189 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: my years right, So I'm gonna go twenty years twenty 190 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: years ago, what is this, twenty. 191 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: Twenty five, So twenty oh five, two thousand and five. 192 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: That season the Today Show was number one, and they 193 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: were averaging that season about six to six and a 194 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: half million viewers. So you'll hear what I'm saying. The 195 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 1: number one morning show twenty years ago was averaging six 196 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: six and a half million viewers. The Today Show is 197 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: now in number two plays and their numbers now compared 198 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: to six million they used to get twenty years ago, 199 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: they getting about two and a half million now right, 200 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: that was their average viewership the last season, and they 201 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 1: finished in number two. 202 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 3: Those were the days. 203 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: I was at the Today Show back then MSNBC Weekend, Today, 204 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: Today's Show, and talk about the money flowing. These salaries 205 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: of the anchors were leaked out. You're talking Matt Lauer 206 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: was making twenty million dollars a year. We were flying 207 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: all over the world. No budget was too big, and really, 208 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone realized at the time that was 209 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: the very end of the era, and things started to 210 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: change very dramatically after that. 211 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: Well, we were doing look not gonna it's not gonna 212 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: be an indictment of the industry. We're not gonna do 213 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: that class today. But the reality of the situation is 214 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: that you cannot sustain these salaries if you're not sustaining 215 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: these numbers. So we talk about twenty years ago where 216 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: the numbers were even then robes, when the Today Show 217 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: is getting six and six and a half CBS mornings, 218 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: it was getting about three, like half the audience back then. 219 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:29,479 Speaker 1: Now one point nine to four million viewers is the average. 220 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: So you cannot justify being in third and paying I 221 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: guess whatever salary it might be it just the numbers 222 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: don't work out. 223 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: And when you look at the demo, which is what 224 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 2: the advertisers are really looking at in terms of who 225 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: they're trying to advertise for, and that's what is that 226 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 2: twenty is twenty five to fifty. 227 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: Four, and then there's an eighteen to forty nine. 228 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 3: Right, twenty five to fifty four. 229 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: You've got money, you've got experience, and they're trying to Obviously, 230 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: the younger demos even may be more important in moments 231 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 2: because you're trying to get viewers to establish a pattern 232 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: and to come back to you so that advertisers can 233 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: have someone to advertise to for many, many years. But yeah, 234 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: they only have three hundred. They have less than three 235 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand folks watching who are in that 236 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: coveted demo. That's a drop in the bucket. I mean, 237 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: what is that one percent of our population? Wow? 238 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: Three forty six. It's just to see it. It's been 239 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: going this way and people have been warning about it, 240 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: and we used to hear it all the time in 241 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: the hallways. Your industry is going away and that we say, yeah, yeah, yeah, 242 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: and we did we kept I say we as a 243 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: part of this industry kept holding on, and some of 244 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: that was holding on to hope, not necessarily changing any strategy. 245 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: You look at every morning show and it looks pretty 246 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: much the way it did twenty years ago. A couple 247 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: of anchers sitting behind the desk. There's some movements, some 248 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: new graphics, toss the weather. 249 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: It looks the same. It does. 250 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: It really does. So hasn't changed to evolve to what 251 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: maybe people want in their intention spans And. 252 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: This is where we are, yeap, that is where we are, 253 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: and it's reported no one ever knows for sure, but 254 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 2: the last report Gail King just had signed a one 255 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: year edition last May, and she signed for ten million dollars. 256 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 3: That's what That's what the report is. That's how much 257 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: she makes. 258 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, that's tough to justify when you have ratings 259 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 2: like we just talked about. 260 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: And again she does, I think, a fantastic job. There 261 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: was a just a there is a way that she 262 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: goes about that I appreciate, right. I think people call 263 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: her Auntie a lot of times. She does. She comes 264 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: off sometimes, especially early on, she wasn't that. 265 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 2: Well. 266 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: She didn't look like she was media trained at a 267 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: journalism department somewhere. She was just being herself, and there 268 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 1: was something warm about the way she handled r Kelly 269 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: is a that's the best example, Robert Robert, when he's 270 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: getting up flailing almost dangerously close to her. Robert, that is, 271 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: I guess an appeal she has that I absolutely love. 272 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: I hope you stays. I hope she sticks around forever. 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: There aren't many journalists like her. And you mentioned her warmth, 274 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 2: her authenticity. She's real and she's not putting on airs, 275 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: and I do think that that is something that you 276 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 2: don't often see. People are too polished, they're too perfect, 277 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: they're too concerned about what other people think of them. 278 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: She doesn't have any of those traits. She really does have. 279 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 3: She's somebody who you feel like you can trust. 280 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate that, even her. Again, this is another big, 281 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: high profile moment they went does she went to space. 282 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: That's how big of a star she is oway there. 283 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: That's what she brings to that place. And she runs 284 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: in circles with these folks, a lot of them. She 285 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: has access to them outside of being with CBS. She 286 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: leaves CBS. She's got these friends already. But it was 287 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: that space trip you talk about her authenticity. You remember 288 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: when she rang that she. 289 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: Was so scared please, She wasn't even trying to tell 290 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 2: like she was brave in that moment, she was scared 291 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 2: to death. That it was the phase I would have had, yes, 292 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: And it was so relatable because yes, I think anybody 293 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: who's actually being honest probably would look and feel the 294 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: same way. 295 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: That was one of her best TV moments in my opinion, 296 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: and she was authentic. But all of this being talked 297 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: about the reporting from Variety, The conversation is going on 298 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: everywhere right now. But what is CBS News saying about it? Yes, 299 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: they had to respond. Stay here, we'll tell you what 300 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: their statement was. 301 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: Continuing our conversation now about this very detailed and fairly 302 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: significant headline that we got from the credible news gathering 303 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: agency of Variety magazine. And they are reporting that Gail 304 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: King is expected to leave her position as the morning 305 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: show anchor at CBS News. And they say amid a 306 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: CBS News overhaul. 307 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: So the. 308 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 2: I guess they're suggesting that it might not be her choice, 309 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: it might be CBS's choice. 310 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 3: No one really knows, but they say. 311 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: That they have four sources who have knowledge of this conversation, 312 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 2: and obviously their reporting was significant enough for CBS to 313 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: release a statement. 314 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: And this is where it for me, at least, I'm like, oh, 315 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: this is real. Pay attention to these, to the wording. 316 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: Governments are really good at it. Politicians are really good 317 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: at it. Put out statements that seem to be denying something, 318 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: but certain things get left out. So this is how 319 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: CBS News responded to Variety quote, there have been no 320 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: discussions with Gail about her contract that runs through May 321 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. She's a truly valued part of CBS 322 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: and we look forward to engaging with her about the future. 323 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 3: Correct. 324 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: They did not deny that she would be leaving CBS 325 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 2: Morning Show whatever it's called, CBS This Morning, This Morning 326 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Morning Stop, Oh my gosh, CBS Mornings. Okay, So they 327 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: did not deny that, and they just said they haven't 328 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: had a discussion with Gail. They could have been talking 329 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 2: to her agents, her representatives, and so that would still 330 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 2: be true if they were having conversations with her people. 331 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: You know, I'm very literal, right in all we do 332 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: in our relationship, everything we talk about it. 333 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: Is to an annoyingly specific yes. 334 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: I take you at your word. And I am only interpreting, 335 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: not looking for a meaning. I am taking you for 336 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: what you say. 337 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: What I meant to say. 338 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: We don't want to hear it. 339 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: You know what I really meant was. 340 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what CBS said. And they say 341 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: there have been no discussions with about her contract. There 342 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: are no discussions with her about her contract that runs 343 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: through May twenty twenty six. Why did they need to 344 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: include the fact that the contract is up in May 345 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty six. Now, Flip Coin, who knows? We 346 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 1: look forward to engaging with her about her. 347 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: Future, which could be a number of positions. 348 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: But it means it's uncertain. 349 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: Correct. 350 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: You come out and say we love this woman, she 351 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: is everything to us, and we hope she never leaves 352 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: that chair. You don't even show a sign of support 353 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: for her in what she's currently doing. 354 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 2: Now. 355 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: I don't know what discussions were had before this statement 356 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: went out, but I don't like that. I know what 357 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: it feels like to not be supported by the place 358 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: where you're working. You gotta say, yes, we know she's 359 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: a value part of CVS. We watch, we get e gate, 360 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: we look forward to engaging with her. This almost sounds 361 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: like us versus her like, we're gonna come to battle 362 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: and figure out I don't like that much. I get it, 363 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: and we get the business ropes. We get that what 364 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: they put out and why they had to put this out, well, 365 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: that sucks. It sucks. 366 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: It does, and no word from Gail King herself. And 367 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 2: we actually watched Friday morning's broadcast just to see if 368 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: she would acknowledge it or say anything. We highly doubted 369 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 2: that she would, but just in case she did not. 370 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: But the big question is would she want to stay 371 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: after being taken off the show? 372 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 3: Could she? 373 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: I don't even want to say say face because she 374 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: may not want to stay on the show. It may 375 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 2: be her choice, and this statement from CBS News might 376 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: have been a reaction to them knowing she doesn't want 377 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: to stay on the show. We don't know what's going 378 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 2: on behind the scenes, and we don't know where her 379 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 2: head is. But there have been situations when it has 380 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: been that person's choice, whether it was a financial decision 381 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: or what. But lester Holt decided to stay and continued 382 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 2: to do some date lines just to keep his you know, 383 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: his toe in the water, his foot in the game, 384 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: and that can be nice. And we've seen other folks 385 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 2: like Diane Soyer do the same thing when she left 386 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: World News tonight, and so that's not unheard of at all. 387 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: But it also might be her choice. And that's a 388 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: grind getting up every single day at that time. Yeah, 389 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: that's a lot on her. Maybe she's I mean, she's 390 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: seventy now. Maybe she wants to kick back and take 391 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: it easy for a little bit. Maybe she can get 392 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: her own show, some kind of talk situation. There's all 393 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: kind of streaming options. She yeah, But at the same time, bro, 394 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: given all the turmoil, she might say, you know, let 395 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: me go ahead and get on out of here. Well, 396 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: just let it go and go live my life. 397 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: And seeing other prominent journalists take a truly what seems 398 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: to be a moral stand, or at least a stand 399 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: of integrity or ethics, journalism ethics, she may feel like 400 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: she's in really good company to do so, and she'll 401 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: be on the right side of history for heading out. 402 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: He look, CBS, they have to they have to have 403 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: to handle this well because Gail generally speaks, is beloved, right, 404 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: She's not necessarily a figure, not until I think, what 405 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: was it the space trip that she became polarizing to 406 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: a certain degree, and that might have had a lot 407 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: to do with one of her mates that was on 408 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: the capsule with her. But still she has, for the 409 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: most part, enjoyed warmth from the audience. Yes, if CBS 410 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: is seen in any way shape of on pushing her 411 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: out the door, that might struggle. They might struggle to 412 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: hold on to some of the audience they have right now. 413 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 2: I wonder how much they care about that. And you 414 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: just said the most important part hold on to the 415 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: audience they have right now. 416 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 3: They want to bring in a whole different audience. 417 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 2: They want to bring in a whole other segment of 418 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: America to watch and trust mainstream news in a way 419 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 2: that many believe those folks have been disenfranchised it franchised from. 420 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: And a big step in getting those people to watch 421 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: you is probably saying, hey, we just got rid of 422 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: Oprah's best friend. That would happidly work in some circles, 423 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: would it not. Yes, well, yes, that might be part 424 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: of the strategy as well. 425 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: We will have to wait and see what happens, if 426 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: Gail says anything, if CBS says anything further, but certainly, yeah, 427 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 2: this is how many months away. 428 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: Are we from that five, six seven, So. 429 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: Certainly word will have to come soon enough. But things 430 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 2: are for sure changing. 431 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: It'll be a big May over there, the morning and 432 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: the evening, right, Colbert is up in May. 433 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, man, lots of changes, all right. 434 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: Thank you so much everyone for listening to us on 435 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: this Saturday. 436 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 3: I may be Robuck alongside TJ. 437 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: Holmes. 438 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: We hope you all have a wonderful week on this Saturday. 439 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: Saturday. 440 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 3: Yeah it's a Friday. Yeah wow, man, I'm losing it. 441 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: I want to get to the weekend too, baby, but 442 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: slowly down, all right. We'll talk to Gus soon.