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Speaker 1: fueled by Duncan. All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It

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Speaker 1: is Wednesday here at Gillette Stadium, and it's really a Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: But um, let's see, it's Mike, it's Evan, it's Alex,

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Speaker 1: we're here for the next two hours talking Patriots coming

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Speaker 1: up Monday night football with the Chicago Bears. I got

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Speaker 1: does it mean? Couple a couple of little nuggets out there?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely dis Yeah so yourself. Yesterday we had a little

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Speaker 1: this show, and on this show, I'm happy to report.

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Speaker 1: I'm happy to report on this show the majority of

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Speaker 1: shows it's overwhelmingly Zappy. So I like to think that

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Speaker 1: that's not a knock on Zappy. See, people will take

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Speaker 1: I told you he played different on Sunday he played different.

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Speaker 1: the irresponsible pupper. I largely agree that he jumped on

426
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 1: someone else's report and sort of tried to build off

427
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: of that. We talked about Brill yesterday and I didn't

428
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: say that, oh, that's wrong, right, But I do think

429
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: that's an example of his ego. I do, okay, but

430
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: you don't have it like that. I said, we don't

431
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 1: think we have the same definition of the word. Yeah, um,

432
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I agree with what Evan's talking about.

433
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: Like again, don't necessarily get fixated and Voland has been

434
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: the subject of my verbal barbs for years and I

435
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 1: love and I say like with all the love in

436
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: my eyes. I think I think he's a good guy.

437
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: I do, but I think he is wildly off base

438
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: a lot of the time. And I say this to

439
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: him all the time. It's hilarious, Okay. I just I

440
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: don't agree that this like this huge issue that maybe

441
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: Ben try to make it out to be. And I

442
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 1: know that someone trolled him and try to borges him

443
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: with a fake tweet or something fake text or something

444
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 1: like that, then maybe that's part of this whole thing too,

445
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: and maybe he was guilty of being really irresponsible. Like

446
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: Fred said, I just don't immediately see something that I'm like,

447
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 1: I never really thought of it that way. That's got

448
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 1: to be wrong. Like I don't just dismiss the stories

449
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 1: that don't necessarily jive with my feeling. Yeah, I mean,

450
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: I think you know what I mean, maybe what I

451
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: feel like getting to see Mac over the last year

452
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 1: and a half. And I've said it on the show before,

453
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: it's just it doesn't exactly match up for me, just

454
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: in terms of the personality. The guy that I've seen,

455
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: he doesn't seem like any And now I'm not saying

456
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: that that's right, says Jive with the guy I've seen,

457
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: he's kind of a petulant child, like that's what he

458
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,719
Speaker 1: looks like to me on the practice field all the time.

459
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: He stormed off on one of the Giants practices last year.

460
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: Like listen, I played tennis and I was a monster,

461
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: and that's Mac Jones, but breaking rackets, I didn't have

462
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:35,199
Speaker 1: an ego. Okay, I didn't think him and John McEnroe macinroe, right,

463
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: I just that's what Saban called him. Yeah, I guess

464
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: my question is is what point did Mac Jones think

465
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: that he knows more than Bill Belichick and that he

466
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: that you know, and even if it's not working for

467
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: Mac the way that it did in Alabama, you know,

468
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: is there a shift that happened in him and said, Bill,

469
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: you're you're doing this wrong. I don't like the way

470
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: you're doing it, I mean, And that seems to me

471
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: like a major rift. And if that's true, then I

472
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: think the Zappie thing has legs. And I wonder where

473
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: these reports are. And I also under why the evidence

474
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: to that would be, why doesn't Bill just say when

475
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: Mac is ready, he's just put the words out of

476
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: my mouth. Yeah, did you I see Doug Kide's report

477
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: today and that he's been open to playing through injury

478
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: and that the decision basically is up to the team. Yeah,

479
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: and now there's evidence to that too, because I think

480
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: Mac was the one that wanted looked into getting the

481
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: tight rope surgery and what if, forever whatever reason, he

482
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: didn't get it. I think the team was saying, no,

483
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: you just rest it and it'll get better, and do

484
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 1: you sit out? Do you have a report on that? Yeah?

485
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: He went to the doctor he went, you know, I know,

486
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: but do you have any information that says the team

487
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: told him not to get the surgery? No? I don't.

488
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: But the second opinion he went to was the guy

489
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 1: who performs that surgery. Why would you You could go

490
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: to any doctor in the world. You chose to go

491
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: to the doctor that performs that surgery. See if that

492
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 1: will get me on the field quicker? Right? And then

493
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: he if he determined he didn't want the surgery, I

494
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: it was his decision on the surgery not the team. Well,

495
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: I think I think he weighed that what the that

496
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: doctor said against what the team doctor said and said,

497
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: all right, maybe the team doctors are right. I can't

498
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: get back any quicker. Right, I'll wait, I'll just wait

499
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: it out. But I the the initial reports that came

500
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: out were, Oh, he doesn't want the surgery because he

501
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: he wants to wait. No, I think now we realize

502
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: that he wanted to get out there faster. Like he's

503
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: been the one pushing, pushing to get out there faster.

504
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 1: And every report that has really come out after the

505
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: initial injury and the initial aftermath has been like Mac

506
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: could start this weekend, Mac could and part right, But

507
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: it seems like it's coming from his camp. He wants

508
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: to be on the field. This is not up. Yeah,

509
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: Alex is one hundred percent. The Phil Perry report on

510
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: Sunday during our show when he's on his show and

511
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: he's I'm we're reading the tweets we were talking about it.

512
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: He looks like a guy who's not even close. Do

513
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: you remember that from the Phil's talk I'm watching him

514
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: work out here. Mike Reese had very similar comments of

515
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were watching his pregame, like,

516
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he sort of agreed that he didn't look great.

517
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: He certainly did not look It was very abundantly clear

518
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: that he was not playing right. That was abundantly clear.

519
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: It wasn't playing when they elevated Garret Gilbert on Saturday. Yeah,

520
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: but you could tell me what he looked like you

521
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: were there, Yeah, I mean it was look it was

522
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: so limited, like he played some catch with Bailey Zappy

523
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 1: and that was like pretty much the extent of any

524
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: quarterbacking that we saw him do. So yeah, I think

525
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: that when he's standing still like he's he's throwing the ball, fine,

526
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: but anytime he tries to move around a little bit,

527
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 1: it's it's clearly a little bit. So you had the

528
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: same view that Phil and Mike talked about. Now, to

529
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Elsie's point, the next day, Phil Perry comes out and said,

530
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: I might have you know, overstated. It's pretty clear that

531
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: he got a call from Max Camp. So no, no,

532
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, Max Max ready to play what they're

533
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: they're the ones not right. Who knows if you got

534
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: the surgery, you might have played last week. Maybe, Like

535
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: I have no problem I said this at the start.

536
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: These athletes, their body is their their whole life. They

537
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: have to do what's best for their body. I don't.

538
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't hold it against the guy who says I'm

539
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: not having surgery if I don't need it. If I'm

540
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: going to heal and I'm going to be the same

541
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: one hundred percent without surgery, who's to say if the

542
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: surgery is something that's not going to affect me long term?

543
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: Right guy's got a long career ahead of him. I

544
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: have no problem with him deciding I'm not going to

545
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: take the surgery if it means I have to sit

546
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: out maybe a week longer than I want to. I

547
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: don't have any problem with that. You know, now with

548
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: Kaid's report eighty five to ninety percent right now, where's

549
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 1: that coming from? Is it coming from Max camp or

550
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: is it coming from the team. If it's coming from

551
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: Max Camp, then I I'm a little dubious. Of course,

552
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: you know it has to be coming from Max camp.

553
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: They're trying to make a push that he's feeling with

554
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: the heat. But if it's true, if it, if he

555
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: is eighty five to nine percent right now, I think

556
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: he's playing. I just speaking in generalities because I don't

557
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: want to speak four dug or anything like that. But

558
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: there are very few people on the beat who have

559
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: sources in this building. Okay, so all these sources he

560
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: gets the media, all these reports are coming from me. Okay,

561
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: They're all coming from the agents of course. So like

562
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: there's like I'm not going to name names, but there's

563
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: probably like two people on the beat who actually have

564
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: a source inside the building. I'm gonna say three. I'm

565
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: gonna say three. Yeah, yeah, And you can match up,

566
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: like who is probably whose mcde perry Yeah, And when

567
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: I say Perry, it's Perry slash Current that counts us

568
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: one entity. Yeah. I think that, you know, back to

569
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: Mike's boylike about you know, him questioning the coaching right

570
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and questioning Bill and his ability to coach. I think

571
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: it's as simple sometimes as like, Okay, we installed this

572
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: play and we ran this play at Alabama wild successfully,

573
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: and that's why I wanted in the offense. But when

574
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: we ran it at Alabama, they coached the progression this way,

575
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: or they coached the route this way, or are they

576
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: told me to see this or they told me to

577
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: see that? And now if this is true, I'm done.

578
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: So Now who's who's source? Whose source. I don't know.

579
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who anybody. I just am telling you

580
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: that you what I missed just happened. Oh boy, no

581
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: I missed it. What I don't even know. I can't

582
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: believe you got Mike. He was like whispering to himself

583
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: and missed it. Oh my god. I just said. I

584
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: was like, if this is true, then I'm done. And

585
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: then I used to just shut up. Oh I didn't

586
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: say fudge. I'm not saying that that's necessarily the case,

587
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: but you can see it. You can see how that

588
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: could be the case. No, no, and that's and that's

589
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: like if you're laying that out and sure maybe like

590
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,719
Speaker 1: and I'm the coach and I'm like, shut up, Like

591
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: it's also tell you because earlier this year we also

592
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: had the report that Kendrick Bourne had a similar YEP disagreement.

593
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: And then what happens every time Mic Jones is on

594
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: the field and Kendrick Bourne gets out there he can't drink.

595
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw it to you. And I'm just joking.

596
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm being that was very felber and mast I'm just joking.

597
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm just trying to have fun. But

598
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: it is and I mean I think, I mean the

599
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: way that Evan laid it out, then if that's possible,

600
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: then is it possible the coaches or maybe making some

601
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: calls saying this kid's gonna like lose the ego right now?

602
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: Then I could see that. I could see that right now.

603
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: And I just like Bill Belichick if he stepped back

604
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: and he just said, man, what I've had a little

605
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: bit of success in this league. I think I know

606
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: I'll put together the winning program. You know, Like, why

607
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: am I explaining myself, you know, beyond the normal explaining

608
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: myself to any player? Yeah, to this guy who's been

609
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: in the league for twenty minute, If really I just

610
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 1: rather have you say thank you, get on with it.

611
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: What if either way, sorry, what if Bill is siding

612
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: with Mac in this? In the leagues are coming from

613
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: coaches who are upset you never know, you don't know? Yeah,

614
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: can wait? The leaks are coming from what coaches? What

615
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: could be you know, judge of Patricia leaking that he's

616
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: got a big Ea, this is what I'm saying. That's

617
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: what Mike just explain. But maybe I understand, but maybe

618
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: they wear it because Belichick is like Mac has a point.

619
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: There was also that report I losing all the reports

620
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: in my head right now. There's also report that Joe

621
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: Judge has become a Bailey advocate. Yeah, I think that

622
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: was part of the volan is that part of the Okay, Well,

623
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: then I take it back because then that's probably not true.

624
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: And then there was the uh, you know, way back

625
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: when this all started in Green Bay, right after the

626
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: green Bay game, there was the Bill Simmons podcast where

627
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: his birdies in foxborow what's telling him Robert Krapp like

628
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: Bailey's Zappy. There's play over Brian Oyl. There's just no

629
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: way that Bailey's appy is going in there. And I'm

630
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: not saying, you know, Mac was freelancing. I think that

631
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: that's out there. That word has been out there too,

632
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: But there's no way that Bailey's appy is going in

633
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: there not doing it exactly how it's drawn up right,

634
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: like exactly what he's being told. And so I think

635
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: the only thing that comes out of this, and I

636
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: you know, we can go on and on about all

637
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: this this other politics, the only thing that comes out

638
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: of this is like maybe a little bit more confidence

639
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 1: that the coaches actually know what they're doing to a degree,

640
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: and and maybe that helps him in the long mac

641
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm talking about helps him in the long run, right,

642
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: Like that's what you have to help, but help, Like

643
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: I think I said this the very moment he got hurt.

644
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're struggling, you get a couple of weeks off,

645
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: you're watching the sideline, and it helps you. And I

646
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: think that might I think that might have had something

647
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: to do with why they wanted him at the game

648
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. I don't really think he looked like he

649
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: was close to playing, but maybe they wanted him there, Yeah,

650
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: on the sideline, like he you know he can. I'm

651
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: sure he was at the Detroit game, right he was,

652
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: He was on the sideline. I don't remember seeing him,

653
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: but was he remember on the sideline? Okay, well, maybe

654
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: they just wanted him on the sideline, Like listen, this

655
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: is what's going on. This is the communication, this is

656
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 1: what we're seeing Andy, and hey, it's working. We if

657
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: we play like this, we can have success. Steve Sarkisian

658
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: when I called it like that, See, he takes place

659
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: even I'm not willing to take. Were you were you

660
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: on Paul's my Little pole? When you were on pole?

661
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: Will you Zappe your man, I try to stay off

662
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: the pole. And by the way, when you're calling right

663
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: in today you can you can do about it. You

664
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: can talk about it obviously anything you want, but just

665
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: continue to give us a way in on on where

666
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: you stand. And only if you didn't weigh in yesterday.

667
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to repeat. I don't want this to

668
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: be the democratic process and let you just vote as

669
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: many times as you want. I wanted this to be

670
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: done right. The whole thing bothers me about about him.

671
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 1: You know, all this stuff that's coming out about Max frustrations.

672
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: And the reason why I put some merit to is

673
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: because you could see it. It was palpable, like we

674
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: like we were standing at the press conferences and it

675
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: was obvious. I remember standing in front of one of those.

676
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: It looked like he wanted to just fight something and

677
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: then he got Then I thought he got better as

678
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: the as the just one thing in regards to him,

679
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: like like they were playing like crap, Like does it

680
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: necessarily mean that like he like could he have just

681
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: been frustrated with the performance of the day and was

682
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: carrying that over Does that necessarily mean that he was

683
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: absolutely totally upset the whole operation, and he could have

684
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: just been general frustration. Again. But this is why don't

685
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: dismiss reports, because I don't know. You could be right,

686
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: or he could have just spent the entire offseason saying

687
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: I can't believe I'm saddled with a defensive coordinator as

688
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: my offensive coach. I don't know. It could have been

689
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: either one of those things. Could have been somewhere in

690
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: the middle, which is what I'm guessing it really was.

691
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Speaker 1: All right, five five past five hundred. Is a ticket

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Speaker 1: out web raid at patriots dot com. Is the email address?

693
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: Oh he's getting killed, by the way the Twitter? Have

694
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: you seen that? Yeah, he's getting killed. Now. If he's

695
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: facing this, by the way off a fake text, he

696
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: deserves to get killed, we should get fired. Right. The

697
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: other part of it, I guess he said, you know,

698
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: this isn't a report, and then later on, you know,

699
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: if you want to call it a report, call it

700
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: a report, right, you know that the fake text? I

701
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: don't know because I know he was on the radio

702
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: and I think with Greg Hill this morn and he said,

703
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: I've gotten more, uh you know, feedback right now, like

704
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: just take it from that, Like when you. Well, after

705
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: he said it, he said, now I've got text from

706
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: people who should know. Yeah, that was like the phrasing

707
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: I saw. It was like a Twitter DM from someone

708
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: who would know, who would know? Right, So if he's

709
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: getting a fake tweet or text and he's going with it,

710
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: he should get fired. Yeah, Like you don't even know

711
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: who you're getting. No, it's a texted fro him. No,

712
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: you would if if you get a direct message on Twitter,

713
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,240
Speaker 1: you know who it's from. Yeah, but you know the account.

714
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: Are you taking the word? No, I know the account,

715
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: But are you taking the word from someone who like, Well,

716
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Do you know how many things like

717
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: that we get. Everybody's got an agenda and nobody all

718
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: the time. It came from Pat, my buddy, he's a

719
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: he's a janitor at Gillette and he over on the radio.

720
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: And now that I like work here too, I'm like,

721
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: do you realize that that's like Fort Knox, Like you

722
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: really think that your buddy who like sweeps the floor

723
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: is getting into Bill Belichick's office and overhearing anything important

724
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: like come on like little little little news, oh little news,

725
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: little news field yachts, yea yea tis says. The Patriots

726
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: are signing wide receiver special teamer Raleigh Webb off of

727
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: the Ravens practice squad to their fifty three roster perres

728
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: to Rosy to Bill, they lost sixty six players. I

729
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: was gonna say that means that he can perform some

730
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 1: of those seventeen roles that Cody Davis tea for those

731
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: ten plays again that you need. He appeared in two

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00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: games this season on special teams and even two snaps

733
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: at safety. Well, there you go special teams and see

734
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: who's the guy that Cody Davis by the way on

735
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: officially on Malcolm Malcolm Perry. Yeah, comes to my baby guy.

736
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: I know that Malcolm Perry is like a quarterback skill

737
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: player mix, but like that kind of versatility. They still

738
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: got that other guy that does that, like Lee bow Yeah,

739
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: that was called Lee. I think Linn Boden. I think

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00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Lynn Bowden might be here to be more of like

741
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: a pass catching back training. I don't know, but I

742
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: just mean he has that kind of versatility. Yeah, going well,

743
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 1: I just know that I have no idea, the idea

744
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: how would one of my one of my favorite spfws today, um,

745
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: you know, asking why why are they not activating Trey

746
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: Nixon's just like you have like seventeen different wide receivers

747
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: who at any gave up point this year have contributed. Well,

748
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: we gotta get another one in the like Tae Kwon

749
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: Thornton comes back two games, he's making plays. We got

750
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: what about this guy? How about this guy? I only

751
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: trade for Robbie Anderson after he blew up at his

752
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: coaches on the sidelines and quit halftime. Do you think DJ?

753
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: Like I saw that on Twitter, someone was like, you

754
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: know DJ Moore walking into the meeting. All I had

755
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: to do was yell at someone to get out. All right,

756
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: let's get to the MAXI path five hundred, let's go

757
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: to uh nasty, You're nasty. He calls himself Jimmy the Cheese.

758
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: I don't think Jimmy the Cheese voting. What's up, Jimmy? Hey,

759
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: Fred love the show. How are you doing good? Um?

760
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: I just got a quick background and then leading to

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Speaker 1: a quarterback controversy in the NFL rule question, that's if

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Speaker 1: I have time. Okay, I grew up in New Haven, Connecticut.

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00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: So Eric doesn't know what he's talking about. Because we

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Speaker 1: have great feat there's pizza, no doubt. Yeah. Yeah, and

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00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: uh and my my father is originally from Worcestern, Mass

766
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: And he passed away. And he's a huge Giants fan

767
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: because back then dating a team, you know, in New England,

768
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: and I grew up in New Haven, Connecticut. I'm a

769
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: huge Patriots fan. Yeah. Um so all my left. I

770
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: pretty much grew up watching Bill Belichick for like the

771
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: last forty years because the New Haven they have the

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00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: Giants a jest and of Patriots on. Yeah. The one

773
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: thing I want to say about, um, I want a

774
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: quarterback controversy as a Patriots fan because I want competition.

775
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: I want to Bill Belichick to pick the best one.

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00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: That's what I want. Okay, all right, So who do

777
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: you like? Well? I was, I was. I'm the same

778
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: one that Jimmy quote from Connecticut. I called about sticking

779
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: up for Zappie a couple of weeks ago in the beginning.

780
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: So my in think I like them, but you know,

781
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say, you know, he's the next quarterback.

782
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: But you know there was all my chips around Bill

783
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: Belichick to pick the best one, right, But you're one

784
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: of those Yeah, okay, all right, thanks Jimmy. No matter

785
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: what Belichick. That's the that's the cop out answer that

786
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: I also took in one of our posts this week.

787
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: I was just like, we'll let the coaches decide, which

788
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: really means like I'm kind of wing, but how do

789
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: you you know? Right now? Would you agree that you

790
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: really don't have an apples to apples comparison? Yeah? Yeah,

791
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: because of what Yeah? And I also think, like, you know,

792
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,839
Speaker 1: not to like stroke the Belichick ego too much, but

793
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: like he sees things that none of us see, right,

794
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: So in terms of watching the tape and stuff like that,

795
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: Like I I see as much as I can, and

796
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know the play calls, I

797
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: don't know the progression. I don't know. You know, I

798
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: can guess, educated guess, but like obviously Belichick is seventy

799
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: times beyond what I can comprehend. So like Billy trust, right,

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00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: he's got the details that we don't have, right. I

801
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: do like that point though, of just like, aside from

802
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: all the nonsense, like there's competition going on right now,

803
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: and no matter how Mac feels wherever he falls on

804
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: the syndrome yesterday, he's feeling some pressure. He's got to play. Well, wait,

805
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: till training camp next. And and that's the thing, you

806
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: know we talked about. You know, why didn't Bill just

807
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: say Max the quarterback, and he's ready, he'll play. Maybe

808
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: in Bill's mind, a second year quarterback doesn't deserve that

809
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: vote of confidence yet he hasn't earned it. Oh my god,

810
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: he did it with Cam Newton at nausea. You're right,

811
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying

812
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: a great point. But he was memphatic in twenty twenty

813
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: all season long. I think with Cam, I think he

814
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,919
Speaker 1: knew he was dealing with someone with a very fragile league.

815
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: And I also think that there was a little, I

816
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't want to say an arrangement, maybe

817
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna bring you in. You're gonna be the starter, right,

818
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna help me out. I'm gonna help you out. Yeah. Now, yeah,

819
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: if Cam had gotten hurt, Let's say that that game

820
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: that Cam had a miss for COVID. Let's say it

821
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: wasn't Brian Hoyer who played that night, but it was

822
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: Jared Stidham the whole game. I know Stidham ended up

823
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: coming in, and let's say Stidham ripped it up. I'm

824
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: not so sure that like eight nine, ten weeks into

825
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: the season, he would have been so emphatic about Cam

826
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: the way he was. Yeah, I agree with that, Like

827
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: if he had if Stidham did what Zappi did against Cleveland, yeah,

828
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: in the one game that he subbed in, I'm not

829
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: sure it would have been so emphatic. But I do

830
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: think there was like, you're the best, No, Cam, you're

831
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: the best. That whole year was nausea. Well, the problem

832
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: with Cam is that he is kind of a pie piper.

833
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: So you know, Bill is always, you know, concerned with

834
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: the locker room. If if if let's say Stidham did

835
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 1: what Paul just said and you added a place, there's

836
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: gonna be guys that are like signing with Cam, and

837
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: Bill would have had to deal with that somehow, right,

838
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: you know. So I do think I one hundred percent

839
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: agree with Evan. Every time he had the opportunity that year,

840
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 1: it was emphatic, No, Cam's the quarter yea. Even when

841
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: they were mathematically eliminated from the right, They're all like, well,

842
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: don't you wanted for one game against the Jets and

843
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: he would he got mad at it, But I do

844
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: think it's a little different. It's a little funny in

845
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: retrospect too, with the way Zappi's played that you never

846
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: even really got a chance from Stidham, Like you know,

847
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: I know they were forced their hand into Zappy, but

848
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: he played pretty well well. I mean it seems like

849
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: that they they've got a pretty good track record here

850
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: the last two years of getting rookie quarteracks to play.

851
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: That that's that age old thing, is how many guys

852
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: are in that category that they never really got a

853
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: chance to play and might might have been able to

854
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: take take advantage. Yeah, that's what it's all about. Um,

855
00:43:49,680 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: Steve's in New York case, Steve, what's that We're doing fine? Um?

856
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: So in terms of the mac uh situation, it was

857
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: a were back controversy, I'm I'm for Mac. I think that,

858
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: Um there's a lot of nuances there. You know, Zappy's

859
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: playing great. I'm not taking anything away from him. I

860
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: think he's stepped up definitely from Green Bay and you

861
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: can definitely see him progressing, which is great. But I still,

862
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: you know, when you think about future in terms of

863
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: the franchise and as a quarterback, is that be the

864
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: answer or is Mac answer. I don't think there's enough

865
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: to say, oh, we're gonna kick Mac out from being

866
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: the starter because we have enough info on on Zappy.

867
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: I think they go back to Mac and then if

868
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: if Mac continues to play bad, then I say, yeah,

869
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: we need to you know, you need to look at

870
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: something here. What's going on? Um? You know. I think

871
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: the you know, the reports about the attitude we're at

872
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: the edit, but the ego, I think people are getting

873
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: it wrong. I don't it's ego at all. I think

874
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: it was built up frustration because when they first started

875
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: the training camp and they were doing well on offense,

876
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, everyone's happy, everyone's tapping, and then as soon

877
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: as they started you know, each play being blown up

878
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: or him having to run around and you know players

879
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: not playing. I think all that frustration started building and building.

880
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: And then you had the media saying, hey, you know

881
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: this new offense, what are you guys doing? You know,

882
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: how come now looking forward? What's going on? I think

883
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: all that frustration started building up and building up in him.

884
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: I think what the coaches want to see with him

885
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: is kind of what David Andrews did that one practice

886
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: and you guys had comment on it, where he took

887
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: the offense and was like, hey, you know, you know,

888
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: basically had to come to Jesus moment with everyone's saying, hey, listen,

889
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, we gotta clean this up. And then next

890
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: practice they did much better. I think that's the missing

891
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: piece of Mac is he it's mind to have that

892
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: want to be perfection, but you gotta get that attitude

893
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: to a positive way to affect your team. And you

894
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: notice that was born being you know, very downtrodded and

895
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, questioning as well, and it's that stuff leaks,

896
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, sort of team. Now you look at them

897
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: now with Billy Zampi and there's a different mood, a

898
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: different attitude, to different morale with a team. So I

899
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: think that's where Matt you know, needs to grow and

900
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: needs to learn. Yeah, all right, thanks, thanks Steve. I

901
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: do think that's a good point though. Yeah, and then

902
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go listen to what Devin mccordy has to say.

903
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: But the word choice is what the I think the

904
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: biggest issue is going on here, Like I think it's

905
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: not ego. Egoes in the wrong word for it. Frustration

906
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: is the right word for it. And he should be

907
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: frustrated the way that they played, right, you know, the

908
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: way they played in camp, the way he played and

909
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: they played as an offense in the first three weeks

910
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: of the season. Like if he wasn't frustrated with that,

911
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: then that would be a bigger problem to me than

912
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: him being frustrated with the fact that they weren't playing well.

913
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: So frustration is a is way different to me, at

914
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: least than than ego. That's why I didn't want to

915
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: get fixated on the word choice. Yeah, like like can

916
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: we have a conversation of whether or not we think

917
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: there's something going on? Like whatever, however you want to

918
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: define it, Like, if it's not an ego, it might

919
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: be sort of an unwillingness to Like I said, you know,

920
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: we talked about Brear's report yesterday. It could you know,

921
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: but I think Voland took it to a place where

922
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: now I don't think there was you know, he just

923
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: he's making assumptions. I think Breer actually probably talked to

924
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: somebody you know, so needs to be humbled. So and

925
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: then the then the circling of the wagons that everybody

926
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: does to know. He doesn't to dump on Volan, It's

927
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: just all right, on that note, that's not the first time.

928
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 1: All Right, everyone's going to uh some press conferences, open

929
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: locker room. Uh yeah, Devin mccordy's going out. We'll get

930
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: to here from Bailey zappy today. All right, Eldred, you

931
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 1: read anything into that? Hey, hey, hey, you know what

932
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: I love when y'all argue. Paul, you and Fred keep

933
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: doing a little bit more, a little more off. You

934
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: know what I mean. We're gonna get everybody else. Yeah,

935
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't argue. Now. Alex looks like it's

936
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: like her parents are arguing. She doesn't know what to do.

937
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: I know one thing, one thing I liked is that,

938
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: remember I told y'all about a month ago he looked

939
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: he looked like he's mad, frustrated because the defensive guys

940
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: called him played and he didn't look right, y'all going

941
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: right back over a couple a bout of months so

942
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: late about the same thing. But you can't blame him

943
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 1: with being frustrated. Off would let down a little bit,

944
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: but I don't know that would looks a whole lot better,

945
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, looks a little bit better. But he's played. Well,

946
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 1: do you think they're shopping? Eglare and uh, and Born

947
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: because they're trying to get two more receivers or they're

948
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: trying to get a tackle. I don't think they're yeah,

949
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't think they're shopping receivers to get receivers. Um.

950
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: But I read the Jeremy Fowler piece earlier this week

951
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 1: that they're taking a lot of calls on Kendrick Born

952
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: and so far they're unwilling to yeah, to broach that,

953
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,919
Speaker 1: and then kind of a throwaway line at the very

954
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: end agalas you know, gotten some reading between the lines,

955
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: it seems to me like the Patriots kind of telling

956
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,800
Speaker 1: you Agalore is available, Born is not. Yeah, but I

957
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: don't think anybody would want Aggalore because of the price tag, right, Yeah,

958
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: what is it like five million guaranteed this year with

959
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne unguaranteed? Yeah, it's guarante. I mean, whatever the

960
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: contract is for this year is guaranteed the rest of

961
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: the year, because once you're on the roster of a

962
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: week one, your your base salary is guaranteed. Yeah. Yeah, okay,

963
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: but you ain't got worried about Robie and he's already

964
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: with the Cardinal they did. Oh yeah, it was a trade. Yeah,

965
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: they traded him Sunday, like basically before they got home.

966
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: Don't even come back. Thanks all right, thank you, keep

967
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: on trucking. Um, all right, do you read anything into

968
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 1: being serious? Can you read anything into that be talking today?

969
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: The only thing I'd read into it is that I

970
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: feel like they're gonna go down to the wire whenever

971
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: Mac does come back, and they're not gonna. They're not

972
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 1: gonna just get the quarterback interview out of the way

973
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: exactly Wednesday. So you don't read anything into it, right,

974
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: because if we agree like it would be exactly if

975
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: if Zappy talks, it's still an open question. If Mac

976
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: talks today, he's playing, yeah, right, you know, and it's

977
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: and I mean, I know Bill belichick silliness aside. It

978
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: is still early in the week, like you know, there

979
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: just to observe over, Okay. So I like the way

980
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: you phrase that because I I'm kind of with you.

981
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't really read anything into it, but you kind

982
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: of convinced me to read something into it the way

983
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: you just said that. Bro, if Mac talk today, he'd

984
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: be playing, right. That tells me they don't know if

985
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: he's playing. Oh I don't think they do. That tells

986
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: me they don't because if they knew he was playing,

987
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that they would waste any time they

988
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: need to get out in practice. And you know who

989
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: else needs to know the team? The team note needs

990
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: to know too, absolutely if you knew it, and I

991
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: understand that they can say, listen, Max's playing this week,

992
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: but Bailey Zabby's gonna talk on Wednesday and we're just

993
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: gonna let the Bears be in, you know, uh in

994
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: the darker about this. Yeah, I know you could say

995
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: that to the team, but how teams usually mean. But

996
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: if we watch practice, we would know yeh. Like everybody said,

997
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: like Bill will leave everybody guessing. You know last year,

998
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 1: you know, Miami's not gonna have any idea Bryan Foot

999
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 1: and then Cam Newton was released yea, and Bailey's appy

1000
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: was this. I mean Mac Jones was the staughter, and

1001
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: no one thought, well, that's the right way to do it,

1002
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: like I would. He was right, that is the right

1003
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 1: way to do it. I would just say, too, I

1004
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna roll Mac into an interview before

1005
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: he plays, you know, I think there's too many unimportant

1006
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 1: questions that he would be asked, whereas after he plays

1007
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: he'll have a performance to talk about. I mean, he'll

1008
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: obviously hot to talk after he plays, so if he

1009
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: gets up there right now. So what do you think

1010
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: of Bailey? Huh? You know, do you have any problems

1011
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: with the team. You don't have Mac too. You have

1012
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: played last week. You don't have Mac talk until after

1013
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: he's played a game. Yeah, I agree. I just think

1014
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: that if they knew definitively right now that he was playing,

1015
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: he'd talk. I'm not sure about that. I think he's

1016
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: I still think he's going to start on Monday, but

1017
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I think if they knew today that he was playing,

1018
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: he'd be talking. I'm with Paul, though, I think I

1019
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: think Mac comes back this week. Yeah, I do too. Well,

1020
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: if especially if kids reports accurate, Well, I just need

1021
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: to know, like I still don't know that missing piece

1022
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: of whether or not he's been cleared by the team, right,

1023
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: like to say it's the team's decision whether or not

1024
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: he plays. You don't know if it's the doctors or

1025
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: the coaches. But it makes it up, Yes, it makes

1026
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: it out to be the Belichick. I understand that you're healthy.

1027
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: Go sit over there. It's like hoosiers, I only have

1028
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: four guys on the court. No, my team's on the court.

1029
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: Like you're making it sound like it's a coach's decision,

1030
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: healthy scratch, Like Mac Jones was a healthy scratch last week.

1031
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: He's been ready to play and they haven't used him. Right,

1032
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't think that's the case. I don't. I don't

1033
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 1: think Mac Jones was a healthy scratch on Sunday. Yeah,

1034
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't either. I even just see him

1035
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: walking on the field before the game. Looks like he's

1036
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,919
Speaker 1: still got a little walking at that event, he looked

1037
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: like it was limping down the red tur right. Think

1038
00:52:58,280 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: about it. If you were Mac and you were put

1039
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't be out there on Sunday when you out went

1040
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: out for warm up, you'd be bouncing around. You'd be

1041
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: showing people that you were ready. And he did not

1042
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: do that. Did he bowl at all? He really shouldn't

1043
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: have put on bowling shoes. I don't think thus night, Yeah,

1044
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of supporting they don't they

1045
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: One other thing I want to bring up before we

1046
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: get to emails. Um, this is a leftover thing. We

1047
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: were talking about going for two. Um, you know making it.

1048
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, when do you do that you know, do

1049
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: you extend the game and wait till the last time?

1050
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: And we've had a lot of emailers and they kind

1051
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: of they made some good points. Which one there was

1052
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: a few, No, but with like which scenario the one

1053
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: that happened with down nine? Yeah? Down nine? Okay, and

1054
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: I'd be curious. Um. The reason, the reasoning is that

1055
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 1: it's better to fail early and still and know Okay,

1056
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: now I know what I need to do, then leave

1057
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: it to the end because if you fail, then the

1058
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: game's over. Why because the game's over? Why because you

1059
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 1: didn't make the two So now that you're operating under

1060
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: the premise that you scored a touchdown with no time

1061
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: left on the clock? Right when did that? When bat?

1062
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: That necessarily no time? But with very little time? Okay,

1063
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: so there's no difference either way. You have to steal

1064
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: three possessions. No, no, But but you see what I'm saying. Yeah,

1065
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: I like that explanation a matter of fact, Um walking out,

1066
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: I know you don't know, Okay, so we have, Um, Matt,

1067
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: do you know the gentleman's name that helps us out

1068
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: on game day behind the scenes. No, two kids that

1069
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: are in KSP deer in headlights. Chris okay, I think

1070
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: it's Chris okay, And I apologize. Chris. I'm that was

1071
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: very fell girl likes me not to know your name. Um,

1072
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't mean it like that, but Chris said, he goes, Listen,

1073
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: he said, I think I can help you out a

1074
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: little bit. He goes, and I don't necessarily agree with it,

1075
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: but this is how they think about it. And he

1076
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: explained it that exact same thing. Six. So there was

1077
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,959
Speaker 1: I think there was six third team left in the game.

1078
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: They're down nine. By going for two, if you miss it,

1079
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: now you know you still need two scores the rest

1080
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 1: of the way. Whereas if you are only down eight

1081
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: and you score and you miss the two, now it's

1082
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,760
Speaker 1: too late. And I was like, well, what's the difference.

1083
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: You have to have an onside kick either way. No,

1084
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: but but six minutes left you need three possessions. But

1085
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: you're not factoring in the probabilities of making a two

1086
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: point conversion because that's irrelevant to the equation. Well, completely, Well,

1087
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to make the two

1088
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: point conversion, no matter what, I can't know, no matter

1089
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: how much, no matter what the percentage of made two

1090
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: point conversions is I can't know if I'm gonna make it.

1091
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: It's impossible. But by that philosophy, if you extrapolate it,

1092
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: shouldn't you just always go for two because you never

1093
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: know correct how many points you're going to interact the

1094
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:48,439
Speaker 1: why would you ever kick the extra point? Because I'll

1095
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: always know that I'll need an extra score? Like why

1096
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: is it just down nine? Yeah? Like you if you

1097
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: want to tell me down fourteen, that's this is another

1098
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: new age Like last five ten years, teams down fourteen

1099
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter when they score a touchdown, a

1100
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 1: lot of times teams go for two. And the line

1101
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: of thought is, if I make it, I can win

1102
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,399
Speaker 1: it with another touchdown. If I miss it, I can

1103
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 1: still tie by getting one out of two point conversions,

1104
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: I should be able to convert one of them. I

1105
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: don't agree with that, but I totally understand that the

1106
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,320
Speaker 1: analytics people have completely explained that to me the merits

1107
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: of that line of thought, and I think that there's

1108
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: some thought that makes sense to that that makes sense

1109
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: to me. I can't conceive a scenario that it's better

1110
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 1: to be down two scores with six minutes left than one. Yeah,

1111
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: I don't know why it's better that I know I'm

1112
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: down two scores with six as opposed to not knowing

1113
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm down with two scores, would say a minute and

1114
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: a half? Right, well, right, of course that's true. So

1115
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: with six minutes left in the game, Kevin Stefanski, by

1116
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: missing the two point conversion, had two on sidekick because

1117
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: he had to steal a possession that he wouldn't have

1118
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: had to do had he just kicked the extra point

1119
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: and played defense. He could have kicked off with six

1120
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: minutes left, down eight, gott into three and out that

1121
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: he got, and then had the ball down a score

1122
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: with say four minutes left. So again he's got the

1123
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: ball with four minutes, he goes down and scores. Let's

1124
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:24,959
Speaker 1: say there's a minute and a half left. You don't

1125
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: get the two. What do you have to do on sidekick?

1126
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: What has changed the time on the clock. You still

1127
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: need three possessions, whether you get the touchdown early or late,

1128
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: you still need three scores, right, but there's more time

1129
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: to do it. So let me just no, there's not

1130
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: French well, and the clock doesn't change. There was six

1131
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: minutes left in any scenario, either scenario, there was only

1132
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: six minutes left. The clock does not change. When Stefanski

1133
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: made that choice, I believe there was six thirteen left.

1134
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 1: So let me, can I just read the explanation or

1135
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: one of the explanations, because we had several people who, yeah,

1136
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: I know, this is the explanation that has been made

1137
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: many times, and I don't think it makes a lot

1138
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: of sense, unlike the down fourteen one, which I think

1139
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. Okay, so I'm not talking.

1140
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is I'm not blind to

1141
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: the analytics. I think that the one thing that I

1142
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: really like about analytics is when we were growing up, Mike,

1143
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: when it was fourth down and you were like, anywhere

1144
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: that wasn't in field goal range, you punted. Damn it,

1145
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: you punted because that's what my father did, and you

1146
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: punt the ball. I hate that. I like the fact

1147
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: that these analytics people are telling you fourth and one

1148
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: is a high probability play. Even if I'm on my

1149
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: own forty yard line, I should be able to get

1150
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: a yard and keep possession. I love that the advent

1151
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: of going forward on fourth down I think has been

1152
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: a wildly successful influx in the league. Now I think

1153
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: there's too many teams that don't know when and when

1154
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: they should and shouldn't do it. But I love the

1155
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: fact that people use the analytics now to go for

1156
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 1: fourth pound. So I'm not I'm what I'm trying to

1157
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: explain it is, I'm not one of these dinosaurs. You're

1158
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: not just that's not willing to think about it a

1159
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: different way. This email, this is my name's way, and

1160
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm a longtime PE listener from China. I found out

1161
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: during the postgame show that Paul and company had a

1162
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: hard time understanding the logic behind going for two down

1163
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: nine late in a game. Although it's been explaining countless times,

1164
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: I hope to lay out some points to help with

1165
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: the logic. One, you have to convert a two point

1166
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: play sooner or later to tie the game. In this situation,

1167
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 1: the success percentage of conversion after the first touchdown is

1168
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: considered the same as the hypothetical second touchdown, So the

1169
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: percentage rate of doing a two point conversion either scenario,

1170
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: it's the same agreement. If you were two. If you

1171
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: were to successfully make the conversion, there's no difference between

1172
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: doing it first or second. But if you were to

1173
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: fail the conversion, it's better to fail with five minutes

1174
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,800
Speaker 1: left than five seconds left. Three Paul's claim that the

1175
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: difference between down seven and eight is negligible is simply wrong.

1176
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: Some people probably feel these two are similar because both

1177
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: are down one score, but it's drastically different winning probabilities.

1178
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: The goal of any in game decision is to maximize

1179
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: winning probability, not to make people feel better because you're

1180
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: down one score for the moment. Remember, you'll have to

1181
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: convert a two point play no matter what. Pushing it

1182
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: back doesn't make it easier. Four Paul kept saying, I

1183
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: don't understand why down nine is better than down eight. Actually,

1184
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: nobody is saying that. It's a strong man argument set

1185
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: up by him. The presumed failure of the two point

1186
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: play should not be included in the comparison. I can

1187
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: also say I don't understand why failing a tie or

1188
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: lose two point play at the end of the conversion

1189
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: with more time left is better than failing it with

1190
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: less or even no time left. The logic is to

1191
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: attempt two point earlier than later, so you can adjust

1192
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: your strategy knowing earlier whether it's successful or not. I

1193
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: don't know why it seems like every time someone has

1194
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: these explanations, they have to be snarky about it. And

1195
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: that's coming from the King of snark. Okay, I don't

1196
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: think he was too snarky. The difference is negligible, like

1197
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: and when probability is all it's about that. There's a

1198
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: ton of snark in there. Oh boy, okay you Why

1199
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: are we using hypotheticals like it's better to find out

1200
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: with five minutes left rather than five seconds? Right? Why

1201
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 1: can't it be the scenario that unfolded on Sunday with

1202
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: six seventeen left in the game. Why do we have

1203
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: to make it five seconds because after they scored with

1204
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: six seventeen left, they immediately forced to three and out

1205
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 1: and got the ball back right away. Well that's the idea,

1206
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: that's what you want to do, right, But somehow it's

1207
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: better to be down two scores because you know you

1208
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 1: still need two scores Mike, as opposed to being down

1209
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: one score and I go down and score, I don't

1210
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: get the two point inversion. I can still do my

1211
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: onside kick and still have a chance to get the

1212
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: ball back right yea, yeah, So explain to me why

1213
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: it's better, at least in my scenario kicking the extra

1214
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: point gave me a chance to tie the game. Cleveland

1215
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: never got that, you know why, because they were stupid

1216
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: and they and they went for two. Didn't get it,

1217
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 1: had to onside kick, didn't get it, never got never

1218
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: got the ball back with a chance to tie. I

1219
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: would rather at least have a chance to tie. John

1220
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 1: and New Hampshire says the difference is the offensive possession.

1221
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: Knowing you need two scores means you know the offense

1222
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: needs to go full sprint to score the first time,

1223
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 1: or take a field goal, if it makes sense. If

1224
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: you're down eight, you don't know if you need to

1225
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: score as quickly. I don't know, Mike. Have you ever

1226
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:47,919
Speaker 1: seen the team use the hurry up without it being

1227
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: like in the last minute modele? Yeah, like it without

1228
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: it being like in a last minute situation? Yes, I have.

1229
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: So you think that that's allowed. Do you think the

1230
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: coach can do that if you had to score quickly? Like? No? No, no,

1231
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: Whether you whether you had to score quickly or not,

1232
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: do you think you could with six minutes left? I

1233
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: got plenty of time. I don't see why not. If

1234
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: you wanted to go no huddle, could you do that?

1235
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: I think so could you go hurry up now? Why not?

1236
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: All right, we gotta take a break. Paul's gotta eat.

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: like others have said here, that hey, it can work.

1465
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, how is he going to react to all this?

1466
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 1: And I have no idea, I really don't. I'm hoping.

1467
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,679
Speaker 1: I think he's going to come back to a better

1468
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: offense than what he left, But how is he going

1469
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: to play like? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure

1470
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: the pressure is on him, but I also think this

1471
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: is a little bit closer or normal for him. Of

1472
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 1: there haven't been a lot of times since high school

1473
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: where he's been the guy. And you know, I think

1474
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: this is just a reminder, and maybe a lot of

1475
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: people don't need reminders in the NFL that your job

1476
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: can be gone in the blink of an eye, but

1477
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,799
Speaker 1: it is a reminder that, yeah, you were a rookie,

1478
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: you made the Pro Bowl, you did all these things

1479
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 1: last year, but there's another guy waiting behind you to

1480
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: take your job. And that's the case and all on

1481
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 1: all the NFL. So I'm hopeful that you know, it's

1482
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: gonna help spur him and motivate him to play better. Um,

1483
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: but it's it's tough. There's no guarantees that, oh, well,

1484
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: the team looked pretty good while he was gone, and

1485
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 1: now he's motivated and he's going to come back and

1486
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: he's just going to start dropping bombs all over the field.

1487
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: Everybody like he's got to go out there and do it. Well,

1488
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, go ahead, Sean. Oh sorry, I

1489
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: just want to give my attempt to try and put

1490
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: some logic into this whole two point early two point

1491
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: version thing. I'm looking at the game on last Sunday

1492
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 1: and trying to put my head into the perspective of

1493
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: Stefans game, what Cleveland's trying to do now there it's

1494
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: there's six minutes on the clock. Maybe they feel like

1495
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: the probability of three scores is pretty low. So when

1496
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: they went for two, initially they're thinking, well, we want

1497
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: to make it seven. They don't want to make it nine.

1498
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,559
Speaker 1: They want to make it. They want to have it work.

1499
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: They know that they need and need it to work

1500
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: at least once. But then when it doesn't work, but

1501
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,799
Speaker 1: that's when okay, well you have to you have to

1502
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:06,200
Speaker 1: try and free s. Course, then they do the on

1503
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,800
Speaker 1: side kick, which doesn't work. So it's it's not that

1504
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:11,760
Speaker 1: you want to be nine, it's like you want it,

1505
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: you want it to be seven. So then the next score.

1506
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 1: Yeah you can. You just explain to me why I

1507
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it that way, because how you how you're

1508
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: saying it is like you know, you have to get

1509
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 1: it either way, and if you don't get it, then

1510
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: it's it's it is, it's it's a miracle. Like if

1511
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: you're down three scores with six minutes left, yeah, you are.

1512
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 1: You're needing a miracle. So I would rather be down

1513
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: two scores with six minutes left. I still need a lot,

1514
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: I still need a lot of things to happen. It's

1515
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 1: still the win probability quote unquote is still grossly against me.

1516
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 1: Like I have very little chance to win a game

1517
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: down fifteen with six and six and a half minutes

1518
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: left in the game, but I like my chances better.

1519
01:18:55,920 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: Or if I can go seven eight, then six, seven three,

1520
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 1: or whatever the combination happens to be. How you just

1521
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: said that that's and that that's I can't put it

1522
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: any more simply than that. I understand that if I

1523
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: don't get the two point conversion, it doesn't matter if

1524
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 1: I go earlier, you're late. I just don't see the

1525
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: advantage of knowing early. There is no advantage in that

1526
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: scenario like, either way, you've got to steal that third

1527
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: possession with an onside kick. I don't think it's harder

1528
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: to get an onside kick with a minute and a

1529
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,599
Speaker 1: half left, and it is with six and a half left.

1530
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's a miracle. Let's go to Todd, North Carolina. Hey, Todd,

1531
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the really, you know, all the

1532
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 1: Zappy happiness, and I wonder if you know it's not

1533
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: only recency buy it, but bias. Could it also be just,

1534
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, the underdog. Everybody kind of roots for the

1535
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: underdog because that's kind of what he is, you know, Yeah,

1536
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: not a sixth round pick, but a fourth round pick.

1537
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, you're doing pretty good. Do you think some

1538
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 1: of that's involved in everybody's And he looks like a

1539
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: kid from Hoosier, and he looks like the little I'm

1540
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: just gonna operate under. The six games that were played

1541
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: this year, the three games that were played with Mac

1542
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 1: didn't look as good as the three games played with

1543
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: Zappy age. I mean that that's I don't think there's

1544
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: anything that's hidden meaning there are other factors that maybe

1545
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,800
Speaker 1: people are rooting for Zappy like that. Sure, yeah, but

1546
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 1: I don't think if he wasn't playing as well that

1547
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:23,640
Speaker 1: people would be wanting him because he's a better story. Yeah,

1548
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: Like he played better in the three games that he

1549
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: played than two and a half that Mac played. I

1550
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: would say the two and a half quarters against Baltimore,

1551
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: Mac played at a higher level than than Bailey has. Yeah,

1552
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 1: and I think the thing tell me my defense plays

1553
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:39,640
Speaker 1: better those first three games, and then well that's like

1554
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 1: your whole thing. Like he's coming back to a better

1555
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:43,559
Speaker 1: offense than than what he left. Yeah, and a better

1556
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: defense if they play against Chicago, Yeah, he'll have a

1557
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: better offense if they play against someone that can play

1558
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see well, better defense. But also

1559
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,400
Speaker 1: couldn't you also see some growth with our offensive coordinators

1560
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,120
Speaker 1: that used to be you know, special teams in defense.

1561
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: Could may get be getting better handle up, could be

1562
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, calling up. Maybe. I think they've gotten's benefit

1563
01:21:02,479 --> 01:21:04,680
Speaker 1: a bit from that. I think they've gotten some experience

1564
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,360
Speaker 1: in six weeks. Sure. Sure, Yeah, No, I like the

1565
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 1: way you can't seem to get plays in. And I'm

1566
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,839
Speaker 1: going to keep my vote for you know, just keeping

1567
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 1: Mac on the side. I'm a Mac guy, but just

1568
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: keep on the sidelines until he's more ready. Guy, come on,

1569
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: get off the fence. Okay, Mac, fine, all right, you

1570
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: can't change your vote. This isn't the Democratic National Convention.

1571
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: Williams and Pellam, what's up? William? What's going on for it?

1572
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: How are you going to? Good? Okay? Um? I have

1573
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: a question, well one for um foot Paul and Evan,

1574
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: but I want Ale to do asking that s the

1575
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: mark because that's the different take and it's something that

1576
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: they stay on mask Thursday. That had me a little

1577
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: like what are you seriously? But we'll talk about that tomorrow.

1578
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,559
Speaker 1: But the day I'm an answer. Then Matt Jones name

1579
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: who started this dumb thing about Bailey's ZAPPI m Bank

1580
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,160
Speaker 1: Jones like where this come from? What do you mean?

1581
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 1: Which team team bah team Zappy? Team met? Really well,

1582
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: I think it's a natural thing. We knew, you know,

1583
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: it's what happens there. I would blame Bailly Zappy for that. Yeah,

1584
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean like even in Dallas, I think there were

1585
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: some people up until last week that were like Cooper

1586
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 1: Russia keep playing Oh yeah, you know Okay, I'm just

1587
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: gonna put my narrative on this. Then I'm gonna leave

1588
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: it at that. I'll finished listening pegs and feel from

1589
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: the year there's no I'm going with Matt Jones all

1590
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: the way, and not just because he's a fifteen overall

1591
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: picking on it. It's just he learned the scheme and

1592
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: everything from from Josh mcdann's Okay, Bailly ZAPPI kame and

1593
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: got drafted. He had to learn anything. He just had

1594
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,880
Speaker 1: to learn the scheme. Whatever Bill is, Bill, what make

1595
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: the straight? You know? Just want to forget what he learned?

1596
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 1: And man, you know it's gonna take some time. So

1597
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: now he's he has to learn this new offense that

1598
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: he won one that I give him some little pushback

1599
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: that yeah, you should question Bill a little bit, not

1600
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: too much. Oh but you know what I mean, But

1601
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I just think it's weird though.

1602
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 1: But it's just like, man, Mac does need to come in,

1603
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,519
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, just prove everybody wrong, shut

1604
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: everybody up, you know what I mean. Well, that's the thing,

1605
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: and I hope he does. But that's the thing he's got.

1606
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 1: He needs to play better than Zappy did. Yeah, I mean,

1607
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's unfair like the situation that

1608
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: Mac is in. Is not unfair, Like a lot of

1609
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,639
Speaker 1: guys have gotten hurt and not being able to play

1610
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: and had a guy come in and play better. Yeah,

1611
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 1: that's happened to a lot of people. Wally Pip Okay,

1612
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: thanks William, all right, and if he plays, if Mac

1613
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:38,960
Speaker 1: comes in and plays better, he will play. I'll guarantee you.

1614
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: Bill's not gonna say I'm gonna play Zapp because I

1615
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: like him more than I like Mack. He doesn't talk

1616
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: back to me. If he thinks Mack is playing better,

1617
01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: Mac will be the guy I think. I think the

1618
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: tough thing too, I've noticed it with some of the

1619
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: calls is that the fact that they're winning is kind

1620
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: of getting turned into the team just has a better

1621
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: view with Zappy, they're responding to it, and it's like

1622
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: because you're winning, shout out. They shut out them very like.

1623
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean after the show yesterday when we were walking

1624
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,519
Speaker 1: back and I sort of was joking around with you guys,

1625
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, honestly, like, after all of this,

1626
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: like what do you think their record would be if

1627
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 1: Mac didn't get hurt? And you guys also three and

1628
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: three right right? You know, and maybe you could make

1629
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 1: a case for four and two packers. But you certainly

1630
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: cannot make a case for two and four. No, you can't.

1631
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 1: So what exactly like this hole? They responded to him.

1632
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: But Paul, I think there are some people that would

1633
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 1: make the case for two and four that and those

1634
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: people are the ones that just don't think Mac is good.

1635
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 1: You think they're out there. You think Mac would have

1636
01:24:41,040 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: lost the Cleveland Detroit can not me? So who would

1637
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: make that case that the people? No one would make

1638
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,040
Speaker 1: the case that they lost. The people on your shows

1639
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: think Max stinks, but they don't think they would have

1640
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: lost the Detroit line. I think they think with him

1641
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 1: and Cleveland Browns, I can make some people worried about

1642
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:02,160
Speaker 1: them beating them with the third string quarterback. I'll grant you.

1643
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: I saw some picks of the other team. Yeah at

1644
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks. I'm telling you, man, but

1645
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: there's no way that anybody would have picked Detroit if

1646
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 1: mac Jones was playing. You can say it, but there's

1647
01:25:12,680 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: no way anybody would have expected them to lose to

1648
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: Detroit or Cleveland. Okay, if mac Jones was healthy, yeah,

1649
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 1: sure not me. I picked him with Bailey Zappy. Do

1650
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: you think I would have picked with Mac. I think,

1651
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the Packers game is the debate,

1652
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: and then with the I think there's a chance they

1653
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 1: would have won the pack I think they might have

1654
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 1: won with Hoyer. Yeah, I do, I do this. Like

1655
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: I said, there's a better argument to be made that

1656
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: they would be four and two if Mac didn't get hurt.

1657
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 1: Then there is what they would be two and four.

1658
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 1: Um Jacket and Aba says, I favor Zappy because he

1659
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: has better pocket presents than Mac. Yes, it's a smaller

1660
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,680
Speaker 1: sample size, and yes it's against weaker opponents, but in

1661
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 1: two games, Zappy shown more pocket presents than Mac has shown.

1662
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 1: In two years, both Mac and Zappy had potential for

1663
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: significant improvement, but App has already shown he has a

1664
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: higher floor than Mac, and being a rookie with a

1665
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 1: high floor, Zappy may have a higher upside, all right,

1666
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I do think Zappy's got some some

1667
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 1: good athleticism to move around, you know, in the pocket

1668
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: and escape a little bit. But I also think Max

1669
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: a little bit underrated in that regard. And I don't know.

1670
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: I just I thought last year hit Max pocket's presence

1671
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,519
Speaker 1: was that was one of his strengths. Yeah, last year,

1672
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,679
Speaker 1: I don't think it was in the firstability. But yeah,

1673
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 1: it hasn't really looked the same. He's at times not

1674
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, drifting into pressure, those things that

1675
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: we saw a few times in the old I think

1676
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: he did. I agree, but I thought that was one

1677
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 1: of his real strengths to his game last year was

1678
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: his pocket presence. Um, but I don't think it has

1679
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 1: been in the early going. Uh. Denise writes in I'm

1680
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: one hundred percent for getting Mac back when one hundred

1681
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: percent healthy. I hope Zappy's success has lit a fire

1682
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 1: under him and gave him more some new perspective on

1683
01:26:56,680 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 1: how this offense should operate. Good feeling to know we

1684
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,280
Speaker 1: have a I'll back up going forward, keep up the

1685
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,840
Speaker 1: well balanced conversation, guys, I listened faithfully year around. I

1686
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 1: live in Florida, born in mass and you guys keep

1687
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:11,160
Speaker 1: me connected to my roots. Oh, thank you, Denise. So

1688
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that email, um, mostly because

1689
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: of the nice things she said about us. But I'm

1690
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 1: just curious if you guys feel like, um, there's a

1691
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: fire that needs to be lit. I mean, I would

1692
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 1: hope that I hadn't not really I mean, I think

1693
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: he just needs to play better. I feel like Mac

1694
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 1: is a real motivated kid. I mean, it seems like

1695
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 1: all offseason he was real motivated. Every time you saw him.

1696
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: He's flying somewhere working with guys. I don't do, friend,

1697
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe maybe there is. It's just it's

1698
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 1: more it's less a fire than more confident, like I'm

1699
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:44,680
Speaker 1: doing it as much as he could. Maybe maybe he

1700
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 1: thought he achieved something that he hadn't. Maybe, I mean,

1701
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: I get what you get what you're getting at, because

1702
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't say your answer to your answer to me

1703
01:27:51,960 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: was my answer. Yeah, I don't think motivation is a problem.

1704
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:55,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you needed a fire to be lit

1705
01:27:56,040 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 1: under him. I mean, up until camp, everything that I

1706
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: have first, which was fourteen, Tom Brady need a fire

1707
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: lit under him. Yeah, I think he got lazy. I

1708
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: don't know. I think he got a little lazy. You know,

1709
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: those things that we gave him a lot of credits

1710
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,639
Speaker 1: earlier in about the parking space and stuff no longer

1711
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: became important. Do you think he's going through some of

1712
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: that stuff right now? Maybe? But so if the greatest

1713
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,559
Speaker 1: of all time occasionally needs a fire lit, maybe a

1714
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: young guy does too. But ten years after I don't know,

1715
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 1: maybe I'm saying maybe, but maybe a guy who won

1716
01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: multiple MVPs in Super Bowls was entitled to maybe take

1717
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,120
Speaker 1: his foot off the gas a little bit in the

1718
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 1: offseason and then yeah, he got a little poker to

1719
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: consider the age and his contract. Right. No, but like

1720
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're trying to like set me up,

1721
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: like you think you're you're winning the up, but like

1722
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:49,599
Speaker 1: even bringing up the name in the stature that he

1723
01:28:49,640 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: had at the time is laughable that this guy would

1724
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 1: even be having to be thought of that Belichick has

1725
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: to do some of the same kind of tactics. And

1726
01:28:57,840 --> 01:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can look at that and

1727
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: say equivocally, like unequivocally, there is no no need for

1728
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: him to be humbled, no problems with his motivation, No,

1729
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean, no problems with his ego. Like and you're saying,

1730
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 1: we'll de beliate de Brady need to be poked. Yeah,

1731
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 1: I kind of think he did. But if he thought

1732
01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 1: similarly about Mac, and that's what like Bailey Zappy is

1733
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 1: serving as garoppolo to Mac right now, you don't think

1734
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,400
Speaker 1: there's a huge difference there, Well, he drafted Garoppolo and

1735
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:35,680
Speaker 1: Zappy is in because he's hurt. No, But my point is,

1736
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 1: I know, if there's if there's a notion that it's

1737
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: good that he's getting this little poke like he shouldn't

1738
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,679
Speaker 1: have needed it. Well, I'm saying he hasn't accomplished anything

1739
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: is the first. But if he was forever but one

1740
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 1: guy is one of m vps and super Bowls. But

1741
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 1: and he maybe got a little bit last. If he's

1742
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 1: if he's if he's frustrated, if he's questioning things, maybe

1743
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,800
Speaker 1: this tells him. You know what, I gotta get over it.

1744
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 1: I get to get over that, and I just got

1745
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,680
Speaker 1: to go play and don't worry about it. Listen. I

1746
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 1: remember back when Bledsoe was in a funk and Borges

1747
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,719
Speaker 1: talked to Mac, you know, Mac bledso his dad and

1748
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: Mac you know, and Mac called Drew and told Drew,

1749
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, just go out there and have fun, don't

1750
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: worry about it. And Drew even said that he goes.

1751
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: That was a big conversation that helped me, and he

1752
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: turned like he started playing better after that. You know,

1753
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: so who knows? Who knows? We don't know, I mean,

1754
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: and I can only speak from what I've seen, and

1755
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: you know, I just think or what I've seen and heard,

1756
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 1: I think Mac has done everything that you could possibly

1757
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: ask from him, and all this other stuff. You know,

1758
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 1: he just has to play better. And I mean, you know,

1759
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,320
Speaker 1: I think sophomore slumps or a thing for a reason,

1760
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 1: and there were a lot of changes this year, and

1761
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,679
Speaker 1: you know, I definitely willing to give him a little

1762
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: bit of leeway, but I'd like to see him back

1763
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 1: soon and you know, get him on track, because I yeah,

1764
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:55,920
Speaker 1: I think Paul's right. I think that they he wants

1765
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: to get back out there, and oh, there's no doubt.

1766
01:30:58,000 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: I just I wonder what the coaching staff how they're

1767
01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 1: going to And it's that situation too, you know, if

1768
01:31:02,200 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: nothing else, if all this does is just tell him, Mac,

1769
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:08,639
Speaker 1: forget about all this, just just go out there and play,

1770
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: all right, just do what they say, go out If

1771
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: that's if that's all he gets out of this, I

1772
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing. Yeah. And what else is

1773
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:17,240
Speaker 1: surprising to me about it, though, is I just feel

1774
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: like this is one of the first times Mac Jones

1775
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,800
Speaker 1: has gone into a season with clarity. You know, other

1776
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 1: seasons he's gone in he's going to be the backup somewhere,

1777
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,880
Speaker 1: got you're coming into a competition, all those kind of things,

1778
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:29,679
Speaker 1: like he had that clarity of this is my job.

1779
01:31:29,880 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 1: I am firmly entrenched here, and it seemed like he

1780
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: approached it that way too lately. He you know, he

1781
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: wanted to be a lead dip and you needed him

1782
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,799
Speaker 1: to and you know, I always go back all offseason.

1783
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: It's just he was the most important piece, you know,

1784
01:31:42,280 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: this year, and that's you know, it's just surprising to

1785
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,679
Speaker 1: hear some of these stories of otherwise on the surface,

1786
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 1: it would appear that that he's kind of doing everything right. Reno.

1787
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 1: Let's see, yeah, Reno writes in in Knoxville, Tennessee. I

1788
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 1: feel like I'm either really stubborn or the only person

1789
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,200
Speaker 1: who doesn't see it. With Zappy, he played well, but

1790
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing this superstar everyone else is seeing. I know,

1791
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,680
Speaker 1: no one actually called him one, but they're acting like

1792
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,600
Speaker 1: we found another diamond. Mac made some mistakes, but he

1793
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: also made great throws as well. It should be his job,

1794
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: So there's another one for Matt. And that's just what

1795
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,240
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to. It's like, are either one

1796
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,559
Speaker 1: of these guys going to get you back? To the

1797
01:32:18,600 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 1: top five seven teams in the league. That that's what

1798
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,200
Speaker 1: really matters. I mean, Otherwise, I just I don't see

1799
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 1: a whole lot of difference. I don't know. I mean,

1800
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that Matt comes back and that he achieves

1801
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: this new level and it starts to click for him

1802
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: and we, you know, are able to see this offense

1803
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: progressing and getting better. But I mean, I can't lie

1804
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 1: that I don't see worlds of difference between them when

1805
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: it comes to skills and stuff. Yeah, And that's why

1806
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: I think there's a conversation. Yeah, yeah, because if I

1807
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: thought the guy the incumbent was like much more skilled,

1808
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,720
Speaker 1: I would I would say, well, you know, yeah to

1809
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:56,840
Speaker 1: no brainer. Charlie writes into Tamara's point in Mike's comment yesterday,

1810
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 1: if they think they need to reduce the offense to

1811
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: Zappie style slash max offense from last year, they need

1812
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 1: to try to acquire a new quarterback in the draft

1813
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: and offseason. You can't win playoff games or games against

1814
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: quality teams consistently that way. You need a quarterback to

1815
01:33:12,160 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: come from behind and push the ball down field. That

1816
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: being said, I thought he looked good in the Ravens

1817
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 1: game mental Eira's aside, So more of that would be

1818
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: great to see when he's back. Yeah, absolutely, And that

1819
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,400
Speaker 1: that game's unfortunate. How it just I think that the

1820
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: rails fell off and then he got hurt, and now

1821
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what you're left with and lasting

1822
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 1: image in your brain of mac unfortunate and what I

1823
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: would worry about what that is, how sustainable with some

1824
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: of the plays that he made, you know, because I

1825
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 1: think there's a fine line on some of those, Like I,

1826
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 1: like I said, that's the best I've seen him play.

1827
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,880
Speaker 1: The first two and a half quarters of the Ravens

1828
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: game were the best I've seen him play, and it's

1829
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,920
Speaker 1: the best the offense has looked in twenty twenty two.

1830
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:57,120
Speaker 1: But I wonder if you're just sort of inevitably going

1831
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,120
Speaker 1: to find what happened the rest of that game if

1832
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,679
Speaker 1: you play like that all the time. And I don't

1833
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: have the answer to that, by the way, because I

1834
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: don't pretend to be, you know, I a coach. I

1835
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: get your point, And part of it might be the

1836
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: play design and what they're calling, because you know, as

1837
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 1: you said, last week was zappy. It seemed like there

1838
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,559
Speaker 1: were a lot of things that were well run and

1839
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 1: we're well designed and got guys wide open and were

1840
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: easy throws for him. And I think, to your point, Paul,

1841
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of Max throws, though impressive,

1842
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:26,879
Speaker 1: are very very tight, very tight throws downfield, contested catches,

1843
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,480
Speaker 1: those kind of things. We had to talk about sustainable

1844
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 1: and it's like there's also part of me that just

1845
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: wants to see Mac, you know, marry these two approaches

1846
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: and go back to, you know, what was working last

1847
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 1: year and really try to exploit the underneath. So they

1848
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: have part Thornton. I'm just excited to see what they

1849
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: do with Thornton once they get him back. Let's get

1850
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,800
Speaker 1: back to the phones. They're stacking up again. We'll go

1851
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: to CJ in Atlanta. What's up, CJ? Hey, how's it going? Guy? Good?

1852
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 1: Um So, I guess on the Max Dappy stuff, I

1853
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,880
Speaker 1: think there's some variables in there that kind of make

1854
01:34:58,960 --> 01:35:01,719
Speaker 1: it difficult to make it this like the defensive play

1855
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 1: it's supposed supposed to approve and what else. Uh uh oh, yeah,

1856
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:11,880
Speaker 1: the opponent four season is supposed to be like the preseason, right,

1857
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:17,360
Speaker 1: so we've only had two. Um So also a quick question.

1858
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: What's going on with the trade Nixon? I thought I

1859
01:35:20,560 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: would see more that's him. I guess, uh, well, after

1860
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 1: how many receivers are you gonna have active? You know,

1861
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 1: it's true, it's a numbers game, practice squad. But I

1862
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 1: mean maybe with Born, if if Born and Agil couldn't

1863
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,519
Speaker 1: go this week, then yeah, so now maybe he gets

1864
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,679
Speaker 1: elevator or if someone gets traded, I mean the trade

1865
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 1: deadlines in a couple of weeks, you seem like you

1866
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 1: have a surplus there, then yep. Maybe if you feel

1867
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 1: good about Nixon, you trade one of those and you

1868
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,040
Speaker 1: have a layer of depth in case someone gets hurt. Yep,

1869
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,080
Speaker 1: so you know he could play. But right now it's

1870
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you got too many receivers, you know, no difference.

1871
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 1: Thanks c J. Let's go to Danielle in Illinois. What's up, Danielle? Hey, guys,

1872
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 1: what's it going good? So I haven't called in a

1873
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 1: long time, but um again, I'm Chicago area, so I

1874
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,879
Speaker 1: watched a lot of Bears games. Unfortunately, like my Patriots,

1875
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 1: doesn't really play around here, so I missed the first

1876
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 1: half of the show. I'm still trying to catch up,

1877
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,040
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry if you guys already touched on it,

1878
01:36:16,120 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: but I heard a lot about everybody keeps saying, you know,

1879
01:36:19,479 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: picking on the weak teams and all this kind of stuff.

1880
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 1: But I don't know if these guys watched a lot

1881
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: of Bears games. But from what I've seen, especially last year,

1882
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 1: they only lost or won by you know, a couple points.

1883
01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 1: But it seems like Fields kind of turns up the

1884
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: heat when they you know, like when it gets towards

1885
01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:41,560
Speaker 1: the end they're losing. He really he really brings the

1886
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:44,760
Speaker 1: heat that starts making some praise. And I know, like

1887
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: the Browns, I kinda I hate to jump the gump,

1888
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,320
Speaker 1: but I was like, yeah, we should have this game,

1889
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:51,720
Speaker 1: you know. But the Bears, I mean, their defense is

1890
01:36:51,760 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: pretty solid. So if we can't get open or you

1891
01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,920
Speaker 1: know what, I'm thinking, maybe interceptions if they do try

1892
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: and make some passes, but if they try to do

1893
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: a lot of n plays, they might get shut down.

1894
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:04,400
Speaker 1: The Bears has a pretty good defense from what you know,

1895
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 1: I've been seeing this year and last year, and it

1896
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:10,360
Speaker 1: seems like Fields can kind of turn it up a

1897
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 1: little bit. And I don't really want to say that

1898
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: they're that bad of a team. I know, like the

1899
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 1: standings show everything, you know, But I mean when you

1900
01:37:18,439 --> 01:37:21,679
Speaker 1: actually watch them play and you see how we've been playing,

1901
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, I don't know if you've guys

1902
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: are thinking the same way, but I don't. I know

1903
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: you guys aren't counting it out, but um, you know,

1904
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 1: I keep hearing a lot about the week teams, and

1905
01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't know how we should, how we should you know,

1906
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,080
Speaker 1: have it kind of thing, and well, let's just pick

1907
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: on the week teams. But I don't think the Bears

1908
01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: are honestly as weak as everybody. Yeah, well, you obviously

1909
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:46,400
Speaker 1: watch them a lot closer than I do. But when

1910
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: I've watched them, they look completely and utterly inept. And

1911
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,759
Speaker 1: Fred feel free to blom me next week if something

1912
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:56,000
Speaker 1: horribly goes wrong, because I don't think this is the

1913
01:37:56,040 --> 01:37:58,439
Speaker 1: one game when the schedule, I said, is unlosable. Yeah,

1914
01:37:58,479 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: I think that can't lose to a team that doesn't

1915
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:01,840
Speaker 1: throw the ball. I think that, yeah, And I think

1916
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:04,679
Speaker 1: right now, and you might be right, Danielle about their defense,

1917
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:07,719
Speaker 1: but right now their quarterback is playing worse than Jacobe Brissette,

1918
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: and you saw what happened with that. He doesn't I

1919
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:12,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't even say he's playing worse. He doesn't get to

1920
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 1: play right, Like, he doesn't even get to know. Maybe

1921
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:17,560
Speaker 1: that's because of him. Yeah, I don't know, because I

1922
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: don't watch close enough, but he does not attempt twenty

1923
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,479
Speaker 1: passes a game like you can't win in the NFL.

1924
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 1: Consistently doing that. You can win a game we make

1925
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 1: if we make some of those sloppy plays that I've seen,

1926
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, penalties or just floppy playing. I mean, it

1927
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 1: just takes a couple of those to turn the game. Listen, Danielle.

1928
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,240
Speaker 1: If they play like that, they can lose to any one.

1929
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:42,559
Speaker 1: If you turn anyone over, you can lose anyone, right Yeah,

1930
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I just wouldn't shut them out. Okay,

1931
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:47,799
Speaker 1: all right, what do you think? You know, it's not Thursday.

1932
01:38:47,920 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: Usually we do our picks, But what's your what's your

1933
01:38:50,320 --> 01:38:55,440
Speaker 1: pick for and score for the game? What do you think? Oh, gosh,

1934
01:38:55,760 --> 01:39:00,599
Speaker 1: put you on the spot. I know, I don't um.

1935
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna be a lot of

1936
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 1: field goals. So, I mean, I don't even know if

1937
01:39:07,160 --> 01:39:12,639
Speaker 1: I can give you a definitive maybe let's say I'm

1938
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: gonna go if you're wrong, nothing happened. It's gonna use

1939
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:20,880
Speaker 1: my friend line right there. Well, this isn't the price,

1940
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 1: that's right, perfect timing. We probably won't even remember. Just

1941
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:27,760
Speaker 1: just yeah, let's let's go. Just say Patriots by and

1942
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 1: give me a number. Okay, I'll say I think I

1943
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:35,720
Speaker 1: think it might be close. I'll just say Patriots by three. Okay,

1944
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 1: all right, sounds good. Thanks, Danielle. Appreciate this game by

1945
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:46,879
Speaker 1: a field goal and Mac Jones plays look out. I'm

1946
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: with you, Paul. I mean I think the way the

1947
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: Patriots defense is playing right now, I mean I don't.

1948
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of confidence yet in them

1949
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: unless it's okay, yeah, I think this defense will shut

1950
01:39:59,439 --> 01:40:05,000
Speaker 1: them down though. Patty's an agawam. What's up? Patty up? Guys? Hey,

1951
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 1: hey Betty, did you guys talk about this whole Ben

1952
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: Bolin situation? Then? Oh, you missed the first half of

1953
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,760
Speaker 1: the show, guy, I did. I'm sorry. I'll go back

1954
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:20,680
Speaker 1: on the replay. Paul and I got into it all right,

1955
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: So I'll ask this question I was gonna ask yesterday too, though,

1956
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:28,439
Speaker 1: do you guys think that um, just in two almost

1957
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:32,040
Speaker 1: three games, that Billy Zappy could have possibly won over

1958
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,439
Speaker 1: the locker room, as you know, or it took Mac

1959
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,280
Speaker 1: like almost a whole year in an off season to

1960
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: to win that over become a captain. Then you know

1961
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:46,600
Speaker 1: what won over the locker room winning They won some games. Yeah,

1962
01:40:46,760 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: I know. No, I think and I think the team

1963
01:40:49,560 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: like Mac last year. I think they got like the

1964
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: team says a lot. I mean, I don't really go

1965
01:40:55,600 --> 01:40:57,840
Speaker 1: for what is being said. I say this all the time.

1966
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm very consistent. I don't really listen to a lot.

1967
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 1: But the team has nothing but great things to say

1968
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: about Mac Jones, right, Like, I just don't think they

1969
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: would say much if they if they, if they really

1970
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:09,680
Speaker 1: felt the opposite, right, they'd be quiet. I don't think

1971
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: you'd hear it. Yeah yeah yeah. And the Sites and

1972
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: Sounds video from from this past game too, where you

1973
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,439
Speaker 1: saw a few shots of Mac, he didn't look like

1974
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 1: a malcontent. It looks like he was hearing his teammates

1975
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 1: son and being a good team player, you know, to me, so,

1976
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's ever called him a malcontent. Yeah yeah,

1977
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:32,839
Speaker 1: well all right, thanks, that's next year. Him and Robbie Anderson,

1978
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: Chris is if you let this go on much longer,

1979
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: that's next. Chris is in Fort Lauderdale. What's up, Chris? Hey, guys,

1980
01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm just checking in. I kind of missed the beginning

1981
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: of the show. Is Paul still running his pole? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1982
01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: you want to get on his pole? Right? Get on

1983
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 1: the pole? Well, do you want the big one or

1984
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: the little one? It's been getting bigger. I'm gonna put

1985
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 1: my hat in for mac Jones. Still. Um, I really

1986
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 1: like what I'm seeing from Zappy. Still voting for the

1987
01:42:03,000 --> 01:42:09,559
Speaker 1: Democratic President. Patriots, so multiple I welcome to controversy. Um,

1988
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 1: I have a question for for Fred. Actually I need

1989
01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:18,080
Speaker 1: Fred's help, don't we all? He controls the first six.

1990
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,559
Speaker 1: The other day I was with one of my best

1991
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,799
Speaker 1: friends and I mentioned to him that the Patriots podcast

1992
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:28,439
Speaker 1: I listened to eight hours a week, Um, is the

1993
01:42:28,479 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 1: original podcast on the Internet. World's Original World. That's correct,

1994
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 1: World World, Original World, Original podcast. Yeah, it's funny. I

1995
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:39,599
Speaker 1: thought we were having a fire alarm for a second.

1996
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: He blew me up and came after me because I

1997
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: didn't have any sources, and so if you could provide

1998
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 1: me some sources to defend myself, go to Wikipedia, my

1999
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: best friend and in fact, wait, why why can't Why

2000
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 1: can't you just be this way? Um, Matt, do you

2001
01:42:54,960 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: have that um uh CBS thing? Okay, listening. When Matt

2002
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: finds it, he'll play it. But we were mentioned on

2003
01:43:04,040 --> 01:43:06,360
Speaker 1: what's it CBS This Morning or something like that or

2004
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: face the name, I don't know, one of those news

2005
01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 1: shows that you know. The guy mentioned that we were

2006
01:43:12,160 --> 01:43:16,719
Speaker 1: there the first. Okay, okay, and I know it's see

2007
01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:19,200
Speaker 1: here here's the actual truth. We weren't the first. It

2008
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:21,759
Speaker 1: was another one that was before us. It was called

2009
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 1: like Vinyl Underground or something like that, but it stopped.

2010
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:31,440
Speaker 1: We we are the longest running, continuously running podcast. Um,

2011
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, but we were close to being the first,

2012
01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 1: but we're we're the only we're the longest running in

2013
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:42,559
Speaker 1: the world period. All right, Well, that that helps, and

2014
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that you guys have the best show

2015
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: as well as longest running. So thank you and I'll

2016
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 1: take it off here, all right, Thanks Chris. Thanks Chris.

2017
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how that's gonna go when he goes

2018
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,920
Speaker 1: to explain to his frankly what Fred said. No, it's

2019
01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,240
Speaker 1: not actually the first, but longest running. Well, we do

2020
01:43:56,360 --> 01:44:00,000
Speaker 1: have that clip, yeah, from that show and on Wikipedia.

2021
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 1: It says where the original. If I was on the

2022
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,760
Speaker 1: other side of that argument, Wikipedia would not be a

2023
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,080
Speaker 1: valid source, but that clip would be. Yeah, guys talking

2024
01:44:10,120 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 1: about it. Although how did it all come about? Did

2025
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: they check Wikipedia? They get the information because that's what

2026
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 1: Robert Craft told him. You want to do a little game. Oh,

2027
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: I love games. This one's a little harder, Okay, I

2028
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: don't like them when they're reasy. Okay. I hope this

2029
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: will be better than the last one I sent a

2030
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:34,360
Speaker 1: few weeks when Fred gave me a c um. This

2031
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: is Neil and Warwick. It's a little rude um one.

2032
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:43,720
Speaker 1: I played with Mike Vicket Virginia Tech. We're going back.

2033
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:46,919
Speaker 1: I was a journeyman, like most players at my position.

2034
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:54,520
Speaker 1: That's a hint though, Like most players at my position, journeyman.

2035
01:44:55,280 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 1: So kicker, kicker, well war quarterback. Maybe most quarterbacks are journeyman.

2036
01:45:01,720 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Well if if if if there If someone's described as

2037
01:45:05,160 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 1: a journeyman, it's usually a kicker or a quarterback, you know,

2038
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Ryan Fitzpatrick is absolutely a journeyman, you know.

2039
01:45:14,640 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: But anyway, okay, I'm gonna need one final one. I

2040
01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: also played with a Patriots wide receiver who came in

2041
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:25,439
Speaker 1: a year after me. What is that a Virginia Tech Yeah,

2042
01:45:25,479 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: I guess so, yeah, oh yeah, okay, I guess, so

2043
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. Shane Graham's a kick kicker. Yeah,

2044
01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 1: like filling guy right. A couple of times he the

2045
01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: first time guests could get hurt. Yeah, but he's played.

2046
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: He had a long time, a long time Bengals. Let's

2047
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: see the second one. I was an undrafted free agent

2048
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 1: that went to a school that Bill loves. So there's

2049
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,280
Speaker 1: a few of them. There's a few of them. All right,

2050
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:57,720
Speaker 1: I'm on the track. I won a super Bowl in

2051
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 1: my time in the NFL, but not with the pat

2052
01:46:04,120 --> 01:46:07,000
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a very that's could be anyone, and

2053
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: then part and then the final one. I was part

2054
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 1: of the eighteen and one team m two thousand and

2055
01:46:15,720 --> 01:46:23,200
Speaker 1: seven three two Kyle eckel Navy guy right two more. Um,

2056
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 1: I was thinking of a Rutgers guy too. I was

2057
01:46:27,120 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: also an undrafted free agent that went to the same

2058
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 1: school as the Kelsey brothers. Mike right, Mike Right is correct? Wow,

2059
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: good Paul to Cincinnati. Final one. My first name is

2060
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 1: a famous saying by a famous chef right good good Mike.

2061
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: See how we just used We used my like useless

2062
01:46:54,840 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: trivia with right right. That was great because we really

2063
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,880
Speaker 1: dropped the ball early. We didn't. We still got SI.

2064
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have gotten any circumstance. But

2065
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean in retester, now that you know the answer,

2066
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: tremendous clues like a school that Bill loves good. There

2067
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,439
Speaker 1: is no school that Bill loves more than Navy. You

2068
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,560
Speaker 1: got an A. Now. I was thinking first, I was

2069
01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:22,880
Speaker 1: like in the SEC, I was thinking like Georgia Alabama.

2070
01:47:23,080 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 1: Then I was like, oh no, no loves Rutgers. I

2071
01:47:25,880 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: fixated on Rutgers, and I couldn't think of an undrafted

2072
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,519
Speaker 1: free agent that we had gotten from Rutgers. That's what

2073
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 1: my brain was too. But Navy, that's an excellent clue

2074
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,679
Speaker 1: for that. For Kyle Eckle, I just I dropped the ball.

2075
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:42,640
Speaker 1: Mica in Delaware, um says uh put me down for

2076
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: mac Zappy definitely took someone's job over the past couple

2077
01:47:46,280 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 1: of games, but that person was Brian hoy or s

2078
01:47:48,360 --> 01:47:51,800
Speaker 1: QB two. Max should continue to start once healthy. I'm

2079
01:47:51,880 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: hoping he can improve on his turnovers and be more

2080
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: willing to take what the defense gives him. But if

2081
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:58,680
Speaker 1: he can't, at least we'll know what he is and

2082
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Speaker 1: we can look forward to a quarter back camp battle

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Speaker 1: next year. There is I think there's a chance that

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Speaker 1: you're going to get a significant amount of buzz about

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Speaker 1: let's let's just just game it. Hypothetically Mac returns this week,

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Speaker 1: No plays the rest of the season. Hypothetically, Let's say

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01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: Mac is no better than Zappy. Is it a camp

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Speaker 1: battle or are we looking for a quarterback? No? I

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01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 1: love your scenario. I am looking for a quarterback. They

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Speaker 1: have a camp battle, okay, right, right? But but if Mac,

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Speaker 1: let's say, plays it out, I think we're all in

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01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 1: the eight and nine nine and eight area. Perhaps, like

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01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 1: if they play okay, let's say eight and nine missed

2094
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 1: the playoffs, doesn't really show the ability to beat any

2095
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,320
Speaker 1: of the good teams. They beat the bad teams, They

2096
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,080
Speaker 1: had opportunities with a good quarterback, could have won it.

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01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:52,479
Speaker 1: They just they can't beat Buffalo twice, They split with

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Speaker 1: the Jets, maybe even they get the Dolphins at the end,

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Speaker 1: but they just fall short of the playoffs. You know, then,

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Speaker 1: then I think it's a tough question, because then I'm

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Speaker 1: in my place, Like I said earlier, of I like him,

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Speaker 1: but is he going to be the guy to get

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Speaker 1: you to the next level? And if you have two

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01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 1: years of not really showing a come from behind when uh,

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01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, knocking off a good team and just really

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01:49:11,160 --> 01:49:13,760
Speaker 1: lightening up a good defense, then then I think it's

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Speaker 1: it gets a little bit interesting, like you know, and

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Speaker 1: then you got zappy year two, all all the things

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Speaker 1: he probably does this offseason to improve Hope, Polly, Mike,

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Speaker 1: and Michigan face value. If Mac is ready, I'd go

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Speaker 1: with him. The timetable for knowing about him is more

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Speaker 1: crucial beyond this year when you take into consideration the

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Speaker 1: fifth year option. If there are background shenanigans, though, that

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01:49:33,680 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 1: could trump the above statement. Yep, if this stuff going

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01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:41,720
Speaker 1: on in the background, it's just a little tweet here,

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01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: real quick, Reese saying bar Moore popped into the locker

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Speaker 1: room during media access today so our reporters and quickly

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01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,040
Speaker 1: returned to the athletic tramp. That's funny. But he said,

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Speaker 1: if his sudden change of direction is any indication, he

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01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,200
Speaker 1: appears to avoid it a major injury. So I guess

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01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 1: that's that's true. But at the same time. I don't know. Yeah,

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01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: that's true. I don't think he has a major injury,

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01:50:00,360 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: because all you guys were telling me that he was

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01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:03,640
Speaker 1: on the sideline looking to try to get back in

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01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 1: the game. But I, like, I've been so fooled by

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01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: guys appearances in the locker room. I completely eliminate that

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01:50:09,960 --> 01:50:11,720
Speaker 1: as a possible. You know, when you have that same

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01:50:11,800 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 1: injury and it's nagging and a force you to come

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01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,320
Speaker 1: out of a game, like taking a game off, will

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01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 1: that help you be more solid going forward? You know?

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Speaker 1: And that might be the reason to not play him

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Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, he was. He was playing really well.

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01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:27,120
Speaker 1: I thought, just he just looked like he was really

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01:50:27,680 --> 01:50:30,280
Speaker 1: being able to overwhelm the guys trying to block him.

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Speaker 1: And it's all about leverage. If you don't have two knees,

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01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,040
Speaker 1: it's tough to have leverage, you know. Joe Tuney has

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01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:38,000
Speaker 1: been gone for two years now. Fred, I mean, come on,

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Speaker 1: week Oh that's good though, that's bad, good dad joke

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Speaker 1: Week weeks So I didn't love it. Week Saw. Sometimes

2140
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:47,679
Speaker 1: you just got to throw them out there. Don't see

2141
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:54,120
Speaker 1: what happens. No, you don't, I really don't. I saw

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01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:57,519
Speaker 1: one on Twitter Sting has been kidnapped. The police don't

2143
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:02,840
Speaker 1: have a lead. Not bad. Yeah, that's not bad. He

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01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,559
Speaker 1: doesn't get it staying the lead Sting on police. Ah,

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01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: I got you. I go wow. I had to go

2146
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:14,719
Speaker 1: back to the Thults thing. Yeah, okay, the wrestler, Okay,

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01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 1: the Sting. Did you know that? Basically, I think one

2148
01:51:19,160 --> 01:51:21,759
Speaker 1: of the first podcasts was launched by the New England

2149
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 1: Patriots in August of two thousand. They did a show

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01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:28,760
Speaker 1: called PFW in Progress and it was a live show

2151
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 1: that was recorded and you could get it on demand

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01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com. Um. So, I don't know if

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01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: that technically counts as a podcast, but I wow, I

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01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:40,240
Speaker 1: think that it was one of the first you know

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01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:47,120
Speaker 1: or advise for some space in the beginning of this

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01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 1: of this form um. I think it interestingly, that's the year.

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01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:54,920
Speaker 1: That's the year Tom Brady was drafted to Everyone sort

2158
01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 1: of credits him for turning the fortunes of the Patriots

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01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:00,280
Speaker 1: around after years of an aptitude. But maybe it was

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01:52:00,360 --> 01:52:05,160
Speaker 1: the podcast that was Mark Leibovich, who had you Know

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Speaker 1: author New York Times writer, and the other guy was

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01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 1: the guy from CBS who hosts you Know on Face

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01:52:11,080 --> 01:52:13,799
Speaker 1: the Nation. I believe, you know, and that's their podcast,

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01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:17,960
Speaker 1: son any no, no more information as opposeds. I think

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Speaker 1: I believe. I'm pretty okay, Yeah, I know the Slate podcast.

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01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: The Slate. Um, I don't think it was national television

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01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:31,560
Speaker 1: like Face the Nation. No, he absolutely the person on

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01:52:31,640 --> 01:52:34,880
Speaker 1: this Slate podcast hosts Face the Nation. Okay, okay, yeah,

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01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: don't doubt me. Um. Linda from Boston writes in forget

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Speaker 1: about Me, Bro, forget ben voland most Globe readers do.

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01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,800
Speaker 1: I agree. I'm now on team Zappy because he is

2172
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:49,400
Speaker 1: as talented as Mac. If I'm understanding Evan correctly and

2173
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,120
Speaker 1: is willing to run Matt Patricia's offense, if he's going

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01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 1: to be Brady twenty nineteen without being Brady, then I

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01:52:55,600 --> 01:52:58,320
Speaker 1: think we should stick with Bailey Zappy. Note to Fred

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01:52:58,720 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 1: Albert bris said on Monday that the team wanted Mac

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01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,840
Speaker 1: to have surgery and Mac did not. He was on

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01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,720
Speaker 1: the Dan Patrick Show. Check it out. Okay, okay, that's

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Speaker 1: the way it's been explained to me. That's why I

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01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:12,280
Speaker 1: asked you if you had any information that had it

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01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 1: the other way. No, I the only information I had

2182
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 1: was the guy he went for the second opinion was

2183
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:21,200
Speaker 1: the tight rope guy, right, And I think that's why

2184
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 1: he went for the second opinion, because he knew that

2185
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 1: they wanted him to have surgery. And then he said, Okay,

2186
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it. Do me a favor. Just

2187
01:53:27,240 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 1: go talk to my guy, you know a little bit,

2188
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: tell you what's up. But again, I'm good, this is

2189
01:53:32,080 --> 01:53:36,439
Speaker 1: what happened. Like, you don't have any information, so you're

2190
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 1: forced to sort of try to extrapolate off a speculation. Yea,

2191
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 1: and none of us has it exactly right. No, I

2192
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 1: mean we're stuck debating who wants Mac back faster? Does

2193
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:50,240
Speaker 1: Mac want to come back faster? Does the team want

2194
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 1: him to get surgery to come back faster? And like

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01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,160
Speaker 1: I said, I know I sound like a mac apologist

2196
01:53:54,200 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: when I keep saying it. I totally would feel that

2197
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:59,360
Speaker 1: way about anybody saying if I don't have to, Like,

2198
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:02,200
Speaker 1: you tear an ACL, you can't come back and play

2199
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: until you get it repaired. You break a bone, you

2200
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: need a cast to have the bone, you know, repaired.

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01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: With this high ankle sprain, you can get a tight

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01:54:12,920 --> 01:54:15,920
Speaker 1: road surgery, which we're learning about that we didn't really

2203
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:19,519
Speaker 1: have any information on before now or you can let

2204
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:24,160
Speaker 1: it heal and unless it's like you can have surgery

2205
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:25,720
Speaker 1: in me back in four weeks, or you can let

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01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:28,479
Speaker 1: it heal and you're done for the season. If I'm

2207
01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,160
Speaker 1: an athlete, I'm going to say I'm going to let

2208
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:34,200
Speaker 1: it heal. If the difference is negligible, maybe I'm back

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Speaker 1: a week or two earlier with the surgery. I have

2210
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 1: to think that any doctor would tell you let it

2211
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 1: heal if you don't have to go. We don't have to, right,

2212
01:54:43,480 --> 01:54:47,480
Speaker 1: don't don't right? They always do that, Michael says. With

2213
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: many teams that were predicted to come out of the

2214
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: gate looking pretty average right now Broncos, Bucks, Raiders, Miami,

2215
01:54:53,720 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 1: does this change the playoffs scenario? Do we have a

2216
01:54:56,200 --> 01:55:00,920
Speaker 1: better road now? Oh? Boy, I think your road is

2217
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,600
Speaker 1: any different. But the road in the AFC in general,

2218
01:55:04,240 --> 01:55:06,560
Speaker 1: I thought was going to be deep and it still

2219
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 1: looks top heavy to me. It kind of looks like

2220
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:14,120
Speaker 1: last year. Like I think you have Buffalo in Kansas City.

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01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: I still think Cincinnati's pretty good, even though they have

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01:55:17,600 --> 01:55:20,120
Speaker 1: a middling record. I think they're working through some stuff

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01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:25,879
Speaker 1: and they're getting closer. But I don't really think Indio,

2224
01:55:26,040 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 1: Tennessee is a threat in the South. I don't think

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01:55:27,680 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 1: there's anything to worry about in the South. I think

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01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: Baltimore is still pretty good. They got to figure out

2227
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:35,120
Speaker 1: how to hold a lead. You know, Baltimore's had Did

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01:55:35,160 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 1: you know this, Fred Baltimore's had a double digit lead

2229
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 1: in every game this year in their three and three Wow. Wow,

2230
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 1: bad coaching. Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's pass passed them by.

2231
01:55:47,520 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's passed them by. Maybe he's i mean, maybe

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01:55:50,360 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 1: not passing them by, but maybe he's losing the room

2233
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. He changed the defensive coordinator and they

2234
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: can't hold a ten point lead. Yeah, yeah, this is

2235
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:00,200
Speaker 1: a good one. Ryan says. I understand all the hot

2236
01:56:00,240 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 1: takery after such a game, but the fact that one

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Speaker 1: of the pillars of this great organization added another win

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01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 1: to his impressive career total, it was barely acknowledged by

2239
01:56:08,440 --> 01:56:12,600
Speaker 1: you yesterday was disappointing. Bailey acknowledged. Oh my god, Bailey's

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01:56:12,640 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 1: appy second professional win in his current place should have

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01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:19,480
Speaker 1: been sorry, you've got me? Then the meager one hundred

2242
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:23,080
Speaker 1: and eighteen minutes devoted on Tuesday, you got me? Be better,

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01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:28,440
Speaker 1: he says. Excellent email, and my sir, hats off. PS,

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01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: it's Mac Jones. Hands down. Why are we even doing this?

2245
01:56:31,640 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 1: And I have you down for a Mac vote, but

2246
01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:37,200
Speaker 1: I am so impressed on it's rare. And then he

2247
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 1: pulled the rug out. Yes, and I'm so jealous, so jealous.

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Speaker 1: That was very well done. All right, story caps six

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