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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today on the show, I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: Greg Godfrey to discuss all the different things we've been doing,

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Speaker 1: whether it be gear or hunting strategy, to improve, perfect

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Speaker 1: and fine tune our mobile running gun hunting approach. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Firstly, I've got Greg Godfrey with me here on

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Speaker 1: the show today. He's one of the co founders of Tethered.

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Speaker 1: That's a mobile hunting company, a saddle hunting company. But

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about products. We're not talking about his company. Really,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to do any big product plugs. Don't

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Speaker 1: worry if you're not a set idle guy, If for

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Speaker 1: not a Tethered guy, this episode is still for you.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is all about Greg's experience over the decade

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Speaker 1: plus that he's been diving deep into becoming a more

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Speaker 1: mobile deer hunter. How to become a more effective deer

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Speaker 1: hunter by moving around a lot, by using this kind

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Speaker 1: of running gun approach. Some people call it hanging bang

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Speaker 1: running gun mobile, whatever you want to call it. You

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Speaker 1: can use a set of sticks and a mobile tree stand.

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Speaker 1: You can use sticks and a saddle. A lot of

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Speaker 1: options out there, and today we cover them all. We

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Speaker 1: discuss different ways to fine tune your equipment. We discussed

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Speaker 1: different ways to fine tune your process of getting set

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Speaker 1: We talk about different things to think about when you're

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Speaker 1: scouting out a property about to hunt it on a

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Speaker 1: running gun hunt. We talk about when to set up

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Speaker 1: and when to keep looking. We talked about when to

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Speaker 1: move and when to stick it out in the tree

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Speaker 1: you're in, and all things in between. If you do

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Speaker 1: any kind of hunting like this, or if you have

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Speaker 1: been hearing me talk about it, or whole nine Fingers

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Speaker 1: of that sounds like a lot of work, That sounds

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Speaker 1: like it wouldn't be a lot of fun. I kind

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Speaker 1: maybe I should check it out. Well, this is the

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Speaker 1: episode of listen to to find out if if you

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Speaker 1: really should and if you decide to take that plunge,

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Speaker 1: where to give you the tools and ideas and uh,

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Speaker 1: lot of people can benefit from. With seasons either starting

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Speaker 1: late to try something like this. You can go and

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Speaker 1: the first time you use the saddle. Now, I've been

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Speaker 1: using sticks and mobile tree stands for many years before that.

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Speaker 1: Let you get into this one. I hope you enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: I hope you find it valuable and stay tuned. There's

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Speaker 1: much more to come on how I'm using this kind

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Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll have a success story for you describing

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Speaker 1: Mark's been a while since we had a pot podcast chat.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm glad we get to do it, uh,

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Speaker 1: And I want to. I want to dive into a

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Speaker 1: high level idea. Does this sound like it's in your wheelhouse? Okay?

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Speaker 1: All right, So this is how I want to start.

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Speaker 1: this is not an original idea I've I've seen lots

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Speaker 1: Now I'm the opposing viewpoint here that all that sounds great.

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Speaker 1: much the way he has killed. I'll butcher his stats,

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Speaker 1: a webbing strap. I think when you have heavy buckles

429
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: they can introduce noise. They're much more fiddly in the tree.

430
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: So I like a stick that has a rope style attachment,

431
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: and there are several good options out there. I also

432
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: like a stick that has a double step. I will

433
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: not use any climbing stick that doesn't have a double step.

434
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: And for me, the reason why that's important to me

435
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 1: one for safety. I feel like I'm safer when I

436
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 1: have both feet at the same level on the tree. Uh.

437
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: And two I use aids in my climbing system. UH.

438
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: For those that don't know, an aider is basically a

439
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,919
Speaker 1: webbing ladder. For lack of a better terms or or

440
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: lack of a better description, it's borrowed from the mountain

441
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 1: climbing industry. They're called big wall aiders and climbing entry as,

442
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,240
Speaker 1: but it's basically a mountain climbing product that that hunters

443
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: have poured it over to to here to make us

444
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: a little bit lighter. So to me, that's very important

445
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: because I'm only five ft seven, so if I just

446
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: carried sticks, I'd have to carry six of them to

447
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: get up to twenty ft high, and I'm just not

448
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: willing to do that. So I use aiders in my

449
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: climbing system. And because of that, I need a dual step.

450
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: So there's lots of reasons why I like a dual step,

451
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: mostly safety, and it allows me to get maximum height

452
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 1: out of each climbing stick. Beyond that, didn't you know,

453
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: after you've got a simple, easy to use, lightweight stick,

454
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's lots of good options and length.

455
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: For me, I'm a short guy, so I like a

456
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: short stick. If you're Mark Kenyon and you're over six

457
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: ft tall, you could get a long stick and then

458
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: you get you get more height. You know, it's it's

459
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 1: it's really just a personal preference thing at that point

460
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: in time. But it the other thing for me is

461
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm only going to carry three. So I have gone

462
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: through probably every stick on the market, and with with

463
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 1: the goal in mind of creating a system that I

464
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: can get to twenty ft. That's my standard. If I

465
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: can't get to twenty ft, it's not good enough. So

466
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: I have to get to twenty ft and I can

467
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: only do it with three sticks. Now a tall guy

468
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: like you, Mark, it's a lot easier for you. It's

469
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: harder for me. So I've had to be really selective

470
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: about my gear. And what I have settled on is

471
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: a climbing stick that's about twenty inches tall, that has

472
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: a double step at the bottom and the top, and

473
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: then it has a system of eight ors either that

474
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,679
Speaker 1: you move up with you or that is on each step.

475
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: That's what works for me. Doesn't work for everyone, but

476
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I did for my system to

477
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: get to that magical twenty ft number with only three sticks. Yea,

478
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: and and that's You make a good point in pointing

479
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 1: out the difference in height, Like if you can do

480
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: that at your height, uh, you know that certainly seems

481
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: achievable for folks that might a little bit taller than

482
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: that too. Um, tell me a little more detail about

483
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 1: how you're using your aider or aids. I'm not sure

484
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: if you use multiple if you've got you know, I

485
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: know some people have one on every stick. Some people

486
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: just have one, you know, multi step eider that they'll

487
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: use on their bottom stick and that's just it. Or

488
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: people will take it and move it up each stick

489
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: as they go. What's the most efficient, safe, effective method

490
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: you've found for doing that? And I think the detail here,

491
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I think is pretty important because I think aids get

492
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: talked about it is like this this term that's floated.

493
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: But then if you're not, if you haven't actually used

494
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,399
Speaker 1: one yourself or actually seen it being used, it sounds

495
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: a little bit ambiguous and I think intimidating sometimes for people.

496
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: So give me the full scoop on what you're doing

497
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: with that these days. Okay, that's a good question, and

498
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: you're right it can get for the for the uninitiated,

499
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: it can be quite overwhelming. So first of all, I'm

500
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: gonna say there's two categories of aids. There is a

501
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: carry as you go aider, and there is a fixed dater.

502
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: So you're fixed dater is something that is permanently attached

503
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: to your climbing stick. So maybe it's a it's a

504
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: wire aider that some companies make, or maybe it's a

505
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: webbing ladder style aid that I prefer, but regardless of

506
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: what style it is, it's fixed to your step. It

507
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: doesn't come on and off. That is a fixed dater.

508
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: The other the other option which I use is a

509
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: carry as you go AID, So that would be one

510
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: AID or that you attached to the stick. You use

511
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: it to climb, and then as you're standing on the

512
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: stick you remove the aid and carry it up with

513
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: you to the next stick. Now, the there's pros and

514
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 1: cons to each method, right, Uh. Weight and bulk is

515
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: something that's very very important to me. So I choose

516
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: to go with a carry as you go AID because

517
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: it's less weight and it's less bulk. The downside is

518
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: it's harder to use. You can imagine a fixed aid

519
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: if you had three climbing sticks on attached to a

520
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: tree and each one of them had you know, two

521
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 1: or three steps webbing steps hanging down down from him.

522
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: That's much easier to deal with in the tree. The

523
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: carriers you go option, you save some weight, you save

524
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: some bulk, but you pay the price in ease of use.

525
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: So something to think about there. Now. You also have

526
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: to be pretty realistic with with yourself. If you're not

527
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: an athletic guy, if you're maybe overweight, uh, you're you know,

528
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: you've got a little bit of junk in the trunk,

529
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 1: you really need to consider if the aider method is

530
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: right for you, because I mean, I'm not gonna lie.

531
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: It does introduce an element of of risk in into

532
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 1: the climb. It's it's not a fixed metal item. It's

533
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: a webbing or or you know, a movable item that

534
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: can shift on you much easier than a climbing stick

535
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: can shift. So it takes practice and and it also requires,

536
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, an element of risk that you have to

537
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: be okay with. So that's the two main categories of aiders.

538
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: Carries you go, take it up with you as you climb,

539
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: or a fixed eater that you you attach on every stick.

540
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: What I find, if I had to say, I would

541
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: say my method a carry as you go multi step

542
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: eight er because I use four steps. There's four rungs

543
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: in the ladder on my aider, And again that's probably

544
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: as risky as it gets and now and I'm taking

545
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: it up as I go, So it's not something that

546
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: I recommend for people that are are new to this.

547
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: What is probably if you want to dip your toes

548
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: into the eight er game, which I highly recommend it

549
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: because it saves you a ton of it could well,

550
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: first of all, saves your money. You don't have to

551
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: buy six steps anymore. You can just buy three and

552
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: use your eiders. But a fixed eight er, specifically on

553
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: your very first stick, that's a really safe option for guys.

554
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, and now instead of getting three ft off

555
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: the ground from your first stick, now you can get

556
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: six or seven ft off the ground and your very

557
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: first move, which is which is a big deal. And

558
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: then you know, maybe a single step eight er fixed

559
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: eighter on each stick. That's that's not terribly risky, it's

560
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: pretty safe. I've used those before and I would say

561
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: most hunters out there are gonna feel perfectly comfortable with that.

562
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: And then as your risk tolerance goes up, I would

563
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: say you could consider adding multi steps to your to

564
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: your sticks and then maybe something that you carry up

565
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: with you. But it's not something you want to do

566
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: in the dark on your first hunt. This is something

567
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: where you need to set it up in the backyard.

568
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: You need to learn your system, and you need to

569
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: make sure you can do it in the dark and

570
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,479
Speaker 1: you're very comfortable with it. Don't just go out and

571
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: and try it on your first hunt. The other thing

572
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: is very very important with aiders is if you're using

573
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: a saddle system, you're gonna have a Lineman bell system

574
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: built into that. So that's good, it's absolutely it must have.

575
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: If you're a tree stand guy, I'm sorry, but you

576
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: also need to have your safety harness on so you

577
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: can use that Lineman belt. Okay, it's very safe, very

578
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: very important for safety, and it's also very important for

579
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: just having both hands free to attach your next stick.

580
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: It just makes everything easier. So make sure when you're

581
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: doing this you're you're using either a saddle system or

582
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: a safety artist. Yeah. Great, great point. And I'll second

583
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: something you mentioned about that kind of intro to eight

584
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: or kind of first step that being used it on

585
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: your bottom stick. Yeah, that's that's what I do. I've

586
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: got a four step web eight er that I will

587
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: just attach to my bottom step, and that allows me

588
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: to put that bottom step really high and then I

589
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: can climb up the webbing to get to that, and

590
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: so I basically have the equivalent of at least one

591
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: extra stick, maybe a stick and a half of extra

592
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: length that I get out of that four step webbing.

593
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: And then I get to my main stick, and then

594
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 1: I put my two sticks up, one of which has

595
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 1: a fixed one step eight er um. And never do

596
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: I feel uncomfortable because, yes, like you mentioned, the eight

597
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: er is a different thing, right, it's a different level

598
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: of stability, not as stable as a real stick. But

599
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: if you're doing that when you're only two ft off

600
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: the round, you know, the downside of swinging off the

601
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: side or something is super minimal um. Which brings me

602
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: to the last thing I mentioned when it comes to

603
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: using eights um. One like technique thing I found when

604
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: you're putting your feet in those eights is and I'm

605
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: curious if you do this or if you found any

606
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: other trick to just doing it in a way that

607
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: keeps you stable. But I always put my foot through

608
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: the webbing so into the step and then press my

609
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: toe against the tree and use that to stabilize you.

610
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: If you were to just put your foot in that

611
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: webbing but then let it, you know, be on either

612
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 1: side of the tree, you can get swung uh. And

613
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: you know if your sticks not tached well, you know

614
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: it could even possibly pull your sticks. So make sure,

615
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: at least with with the things I've used. I always

616
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: make sure to put my foot through, put my toe

617
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: against that tree, holding myself in position on the tree,

618
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: and then that keeps everything straight underneath the sticks, keeps

619
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: you stable, and then you keep stepping up. Is that

620
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: similar to what you do greg you nailed it. Brry

621
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: that toe into the tree as dead center and the

622
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: tree as possible. And then you also want to get

623
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: that webbing what's called a rung, the rung of the ladder,

624
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: because that's easy to visualize. If you want to get

625
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: that rung is deep into your boot as possible. Right

626
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: if the if the wrung is way up close to

627
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: your toe, it's gonna lend to swinging around and it's

628
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: not going to be a stable But if you can

629
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: get that wrung deeper towards the heel of your boot,

630
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be way more stable and you're not gonna

631
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: feel You're not gonna feel uncomfortable at all. Um So

632
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: that's very So where do you stand on the batship

633
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: crazy notion of one sticking? You know, I gotta be

634
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: careful with this because because some of my best friends

635
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: in the world love it and it's really caught on recently,

636
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: and you know, if when you here. So here's the thing.

637
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: When you watch someone that's really good at it, and

638
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: I can think of two people off the top of

639
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: my head. Carl Kasu, who is the Michael Jordan of

640
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: sewing um, he is really good at it. And then

641
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: my friend Garrett Praul, the d i Y sportsman on YouTube.

642
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: He is really good at it. And when you watch

643
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: those guys do it who have their system dialed in,

644
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: it makes you believe it that this is really a

645
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: thing and that you can do it. Now. I've tried it.

646
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I've I've hunted that way. I've done it in the

647
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: backyard a whole bunch. I don't really care for it personally,

648
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna knock it because I I've hunted

649
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: with Carl in North to actually North Dakota. Last year,

650
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: I was climbing sticks. I had three sticks with an

651
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: aider that I moved up I carry as you go

652
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: aid or I took it up with me as I climbed,

653
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: and Carl used as one stick method. He was just

654
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: as fast as me going up the tree, and he

655
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: was probably about faster coming down the tree because he

656
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: was able to repel down and he didn't have to

657
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: worry about wrapping up sticks. So I think someone when

658
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: you when you see it the first time you're a hunter,

659
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: is gonna think, man, that's really slow, Man that looks

660
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: really wonky, or man that looks like a lot of effort,

661
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get super sweaty. And I would say, yes,

662
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: that's true in the beginning. But if you if you

663
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: really value lightweight and a fulk free climbing system, it

664
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: absolutely can be done. And if you're willing to put

665
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: in some time in the backyard and really dial in

666
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: your system, I promise you you can be just as

667
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 1: fast and just as efficient as any other climbing method

668
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: out there. And I've not seen it firsthand, so I'm

669
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: not just blowing smoke, and and I don't choose to

670
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: use that method, so I have nothing to gain from it.

671
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: So it's it is a it's a viable method. You

672
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: really can do it, but you have to be willing

673
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: to put in some work. I think it requires more

674
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: work than a traditional climbing stick and an eight or system. Yeah,

675
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: it's definitely intriguing. You know. I've watched the videos seeing

676
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: people do it, and I'm like, okay, like I see

677
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: it could happen. It could work, and I like the

678
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: idea of only taken one stick, um, but I don't

679
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: know if I'm there quite yet. So well so it

680
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: also for a tall guy like you, Mark, it would

681
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: be phenomenal. You could do like three moves and be

682
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: at Now me at five ft seven, I probably have

683
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: to do five moves to get up that high. So

684
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: being again, being tall is an advantage, you know, screw

685
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: me here, but the other benefit it So I'll use

686
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: Carl again because he's probably the most efficient one stick

687
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: climber I've ever seen Carl's entire kit from his he

688
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: uses the saddle, so no no tree stand. But with

689
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: his saddle, his platform, his ropes, his one stick is

690
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: repelling gear. Everything he said like eight pounds and it

691
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: all fits on his hip and he can climb any

692
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 1: tree in the woods that he can get his ropes around.

693
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: That's pretty significant. If you're a guy that goes really deep,

694
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: or you're crossing water, or you have to you hunting

695
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 1: the mountains where you going up and down and you're

696
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: you're covering a lot of elevation, it's something that you

697
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: should really consider because you could cut your entire weight

698
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: by two thirds at least, So there is a lot

699
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: of merit to it if you're willing to put in

700
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: the effort. Yeah, yeah, I ye. I'm gonna keep on

701
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: exploring it. I'm probably gonna try it at some point

702
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: and see how it goes. And we'll see. But let's

703
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: timewhere in Michigan. I'll get Caral, I will we'll come

704
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: up and we'll hang out with you in Michigan and

705
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: I'll get called through the ropes and I mean, he'll

706
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 1: probably he'll probably make a believer out of you. I probably.

707
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: I can't doubt it, because every time I find myself

708
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: thinking I don't know about that thing, as soon as

709
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: I finally try it, when it comes to anything mobile,

710
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: every time I've finally give it a shot, I'm like, oh, yeah,

711
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: of course I should do that. So so yeah, to

712
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: piggyback on that point, you've been a saddle hunter now

713
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: for a couple of years now, and I know, yeah,

714
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: so I got to imagine that you probably had the

715
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: same resistance or hesitation when you started seeing saddles. You

716
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: were probably like, man, you know, I don't know, So

717
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: I would say that it's probably akin to the same thing.

718
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: There's gonna be resistance and hesitation, but it really is.

719
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: Once you try it and get used to it, it's

720
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: a it's a viable system. Yeah yeah, and then you're right.

721
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: That's exactly how I felt for a long time. And

722
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: then once I finally try rid it, I thought to myself,

723
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: what an idiot? You could have been doing this for

724
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: five or ten years longer. Uh so, yeah, just twenty

725
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: pounds of metal out of my setup. Yeah, I don't

726
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: know how you can argue against that. So it's been

727
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: It's been good for me, I know for a lot

728
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: of guys. But uh, let's let's take the next step

729
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: in our process. If we've we've spent a lot of

730
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: time talking about the right gear four years scent, but

731
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: then there's something to be said about having the right

732
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: process for getting up in the tree. And this is

733
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: something everyone has a little bit different way of doing it. Um.

734
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: I know that you saw the video I posted recently

735
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: kind of highlighting the basic approach that I take. Um,

736
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: But this is one of those things that you know,

737
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: some people again struggle with when they're thinking about the

738
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: fact they've got to put these sticks up every time

739
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: and haul up their tree stand or haul up their

740
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: saddle in their backpack and their bow and YadA, YadA, YadA. Um.

741
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: I remember when I first started hunting with a mobile

742
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: tree stand, and I did not have a thought through process.

743
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: I used to climb up and down the tree like

744
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: three times because I climbed down get some stuff, put

745
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: the first stick or second stick, then I climb back

746
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: down get my bow or whatever. I'd have a really

747
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: heavy backpack, so I wouldn't want to be in the tree,

748
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, climbing with that. So I come all the

749
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: way down and get my backpack and it was just

750
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: inefficient as I'll get out. Uh, it's a much better

751
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: system I have now. But I'm curious about your process now,

752
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: because again you've been doing this as long as anyone almost. Um,

753
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: what does your process of getting everything into the tree

754
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: look like? Like? Where do you hang your sticks on

755
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: your body? How do you what do you use to

756
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: bring your bow up? Uh? Where's your platform? YadA, YadA YadA.

757
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: Give me the detailed specifics on that front, because it's

758
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I know, it's a fine tune system now. It is

759
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: a finely tuned system, and I've been working on it

760
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: for about a decade and I pretty much have it nailed.

761
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: And your video that I saw on YouTube was absolutely phenomenal.

762
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: You pretty much covered everything that someone needs to know

763
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: as far as what you should be thinking about UM,

764
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: as far as I guess, let's first us talking about

765
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: it conceptually. UM if I can be a nerd here

766
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: for a moment, but there's a lot of truth to

767
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: the cliche or the saying an ounce of prevention is

768
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: worth a pound of cure, right, so you would be amazed.

769
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: I guess. I have this conversation with hunters all the time,

770
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: and we help them lighten their loads and think about

771
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: their gear more efficiently, So I know this is true

772
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: that if if a hunter will go out with their

773
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: system in the backyard or on their nearest piece of

774
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: public land and just spend half an hour going through

775
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: it and really thinking about the process and each step

776
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: of the climb for themselves, and then think through how

777
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: they can make it better, you can really dial in

778
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: your system and just a couple of just a couple

779
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: of tries. It's not that complicated. It's just about putting

780
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: the effort in ahead of time looking for that ounce

781
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: of prevention, and it will pay big dividends on the

782
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 1: back end. So I tell people that all the time,

783
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: please go out in your backyard and practice this stuff,

784
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: because you'll be amazed at the things that you'll be

785
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: able to solve. But to get into my system. So

786
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: we already talked about sticks. So I use three climbing

787
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: sis and I use an eighter on each stick, and

788
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: that goes up with me. So now I'm at the tree.

789
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: I've got my bow, I've got my sticks. I normally,

790
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: depending on the hunt, I will carry my bow in

791
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: my right hand and I'll carry my climbing sticks in

792
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: my left hand. And that's how I walked to the tree. Now,

793
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: if I have if I have to cross a creek,

794
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: or if I've got a long walk and or i

795
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: gotta climb hills and it's gonna be you know, sweaty

796
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: or something, I'll generally strapped the sticks to the back

797
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: of my pack. But what I want to do, and

798
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: the reason why I carry my bow in my hand

799
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: and my sticks in my hand, is because when I

800
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: get to the tree, I don't want to have to

801
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: take off my pack. I don't want to have to

802
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: fiddle with my gear. I want to have it all

803
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: ready to go. So I literally find in the tree

804
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: and I immediately start climbing. So when I'm looking at

805
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: the tree, I found it. It's in the right spot.

806
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful oak tree that's dropping acorns, and there's

807
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: five scrapes within twenty yards. I'm like, Okay, this is

808
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: a spot. This is the tree. I put my bow

809
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: down and I start attaching my sticks. The first stick

810
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 1: goes on at ground level and the other two sticks

811
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: get hooked onto my saddle. How do you attach them

812
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: your settle? I have a um a loop of paracord

813
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: and I basically just loop it around the sticks, or

814
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: I use a rubber gear tie and and tie it

815
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: around the six I can't remember what's on my saddle now,

816
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: but I think it's a gear tie right now. But

817
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: there's lots of ways you can do it. You don't

818
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 1: have to spend money, it doesn't have to be complicated.

819
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: You're just connecting your and there's even some some commercial

820
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 1: products out there that you can use for that. So

821
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: there's lots of ways to do it. But essentially, I

822
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: just attached my my next two sticks onto my hip

823
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: and they're going up with me, so I don't leave

824
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: anything on the ground for my bow. Pull up rope.

825
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: That's the next thing that I do is I attach

826
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: my my bow rope to my bow, so I don't

827
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: forget it. Uh. I just use a length of I

828
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 1: use thirty ft of of parachord. Nothing fancy. Another good

829
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: option that I know a lot of folks use is

830
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: the Doyle's Hunting Hoist, or there's maybe another brand. I'm

831
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: not totally sure, but basically it's a self retracting chord.

832
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: So after you pull your bulb, you can release it

833
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: and then the cord comes up. You don't have to

834
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: wrap it up. I use UM simple. So now my

835
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: bow is attached to my saddle. I've got two climbing

836
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: sticks on my hip. My platform is on my back

837
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: in my backpack. UM on the outside of it so

838
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: it's easy access. I don't have to dig through my

839
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: pack to get at it. And I have one climbing

840
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: stick on a tree with an ad or. I climbed

841
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: the first stick. I put my limban belt around the

842
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: tree and connect it to my saddle or your safety

843
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: harness if your tree stand guys, so you're safe. Um.

844
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: And then I just pop off the next stick and

845
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: attach it and up I go. That goes all the

846
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: way to hunting height, and when I'm at hunting height,

847
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: that magical twenty ish feet for me. Attached my platform,

848
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: which is super easy because it's it's on the back

849
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 1: side of my Basically, just reach behind my back and

850
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: pull it up. I don't have to do anything special.

851
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: I attached that. Climb up onto my platform, get all

852
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: tied in so I'm safe, pull my bow up and

853
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: hang it on my either my hook or my gear

854
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: strap or whatever it is that I'm gonna use. So

855
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: my system is super super simple. I also like to

856
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: keep all of the necessary safety items on my saddle,

857
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: so we call them ciss hollers, and they're just little

858
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: pouches that live on your saddle. But there's lots of

859
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: things you can get. You can make your own, you

860
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: can buy military surplus. There's lots of companies that make them,

861
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: so that's a really easy thing to find. But I

862
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: like to make sure that all of the nint things

863
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 1: that I need for a hunt they live right on

864
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 1: my saddle. So my two ropes, my tether, and my

865
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: lineman belt live on my left hip, and then my eider,

866
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: my carry as you go eider, and my gear strap

867
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: that lives on my right hip, and my boat rope

868
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: is is lives on my right hip as well, not

869
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: in the pouch, but it lives separately and it's always there,

870
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: so I can't forget every anything. I have everything that

871
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: I need attached to my hips. As I climb, I

872
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: don't have to dig through my backpack. I don't have

873
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: to fiddle in my pockets. I know where everything is

874
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: and it's simple. Then when I come down, everything goes

875
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: back in exactly the same pocket in the opposite direction.

876
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: So my gear strap comes off and goes in the

877
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: bottom of my bottom of my pouch, and and vice versa.

878
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: Lineman belt comes on, attaches to the tree, and tether

879
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: rope goes into the into the pouch on my left hip,

880
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 1: so it's right where it's supposed to be. Nothing goes

881
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: in my pack. Ever. The only thing I carry in

882
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: my packs are accessories and changeable things that I might

883
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: use on different hunts, like if I need layers or

884
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: rattling horns or whatever. All the all the accessories live

885
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: in my pack, But the stuff that I absolutely must

886
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: have that I can't hunt without, they all live on

887
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: my saddle and they're in the exact same spot every

888
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: single time, dialed absolute dialed dial And I can do

889
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: this uh very very quietly without making hardly any noise

890
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: uh to about twenty ft in about ten minutes. That's

891
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: taking my time. That's that's focusing on making slow, methodical movements.

892
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: So I'm not waving my arms and acting crazy in

893
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: the tree. So I'm going slow. I'm being very quiet,

894
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: and I'm really focusing on what I'm doing, so I'm

895
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not gonna be unsafe. Right, it's about

896
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: ten minutes. It's not about speed, that's not the point.

897
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: I'm just just letting you know that it doesn't take

898
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,439
Speaker 1: that long to do this, and you know it doesn't

899
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: take you thirty minutes to get set up. You can

900
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: do it. If I was really hustling and I didn't

901
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: care about noise, I could probably be set up in

902
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: five six minutes. It's super fat. Yeah, So I want

903
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: to get into one last set up related thing. Um,

904
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: And this is just like how you're actually set in

905
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: the tree for the hunt. Um. And I know you're

906
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: you're obviously saddle hunting, so this is gonna be a

907
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: little bit saddle specific. But maybe there's some things you

908
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 1: can point out that might be relevant even for the

909
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: stand folks. Um, and we did. I'll point out for

910
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: anyone listening to this. I mentioned this at the very

911
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: beginning in my introduction. I'll mention it again now if

912
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: you didn't listen to our Ultimate saddle Hunting roundtable that

913
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: I did with Greg and John Eberhart and Ernie and

914
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: Andy and oh there might have been someone else in

915
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: there too. Um, that was episode. We got into a

916
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 1: lot of detail in these things with saddle specific setup. Um,

917
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: so I don't I don't want to spend too much

918
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 1: time on that, but but real quick, if there's anything

919
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: different now, Greg, that you've changed with how you're setting

920
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: up your actual saddle set up when it gets to

921
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: being in the tree and or this is the part

922
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: that thinks relevant to anyone, is your accessory set up,

923
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: Like how you hang stuff where you hang stuff? Um,

924
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: I like how you've got this little custom bow hanger

925
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: on the side of your bone. Now that might be

926
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: something worth mentioning. Is there anything on that front that

927
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: we just need to touch on before moving on when

928
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: it comes to in the tree. Yes, Um, so, first

929
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: of all, I'm i I'm gonna I'm gonna plug a

930
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: tethered product. But you don't have to buy it from me,

931
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna plug it because it's so super important.

932
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: It's about five or six years ago before tether was

933
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: even a business, and I was just in the Army,

934
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: just hunting all over the country in the Army. I may.

935
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: I used to make these gear straps in my garage

936
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: out of old ratchet straps, and now that has turned

937
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: into a product called the His Strap. But and it's awesome.

938
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: I think every I think every public land hunter should

939
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: use it. It's the best way to hang your gear

940
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Low no weight, no bulk, whatever. But

941
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: you can make it. You don't have to buy it.

942
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: You can. You can make it on your own. You know.

943
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: I think I actually did a video on how to

944
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: make it, so you should. Everyone should look at that.

945
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: But it's it makes it makes your gear in your

946
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: tree so incredibly easy. Uh. The bow hook that you

947
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: talked about, that's another thing you can make it yourself.

948
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: I bought a some Kaidex for those of you that

949
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: don't know what kaidex is. It's a it's a it's

950
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: a hard plastic that when you heat it up it's

951
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: it's moldible and what it's typically used for is making

952
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: custom gun holsters. So you will mold the kaidex around

953
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: your gun and then you can make that into a holster. Well,

954
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: I make these little hooks, and there is a video

955
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: where I show it on the G two Outdoors YouTube

956
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: channel UM on how to make it. It's essentially an

957
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: upside down jay And what I do is I attached

958
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: that it looks like a candy cane, and I attached

959
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: that that candy cane or jay hook or whatever you

960
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: wanna call it. I attach it to my bow. I

961
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: attach it to my quiver. And Mark, did I send

962
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: you any of those? I don't think so a kay,

963
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: I'll send you a couple. I made a bunch of them,

964
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: like two weeks ago. Actually, I sent a couple of Janice.

965
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: He asked me for a couple, so I sent him

966
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 1: a couple, so I said, I'll send you a few.

967
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: But they're they're they're stupid easy as far as attaching

968
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: your bow, and I haven't found anything else in the

969
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: world is easy. Is hanged for hanging your bow and

970
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: other other items as this little jay hook. And I

971
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: don't even know if you can buy it. Maybe somebody

972
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: has made them. I don't know. I'm make it myself.

973
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, that's really cool system. I've used that

974
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: for the last two years. I used to hang my

975
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 1: bow on some commercial products. It's called the clipped or

976
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: the hero clip, and it's basically a big hook. That's

977
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: probably what you use Mark. It's a big caribbean or essentially,

978
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 1: and you just you put that on your gear strap

979
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: or you're a branch or whatever you have a hunting night,

980
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: and that's how i'd hang my bow. And I've I've

981
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: switched away from that and I'm using these jay hooks.

982
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, my system as far as gear in

983
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: the tree is pretty simple. Again, it's repeatable. I do

984
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: it the exact same way every time. I'm a saddle guy.

985
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: So my backpack gets hung on the right hand side

986
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: of the tree at about knee height, and then all

987
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: of my accessories that I want if I'm gonna hang

988
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: my bonos or a grunt call or whatever, that kind

989
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: of gets hung in front of me off of my

990
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 1: gear strap, so I have it available. A lot of

991
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: guys will keep that stuff in their pack and just

992
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: kind of sift through their pack if they need it.

993
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: But you know, that's kind of to each his own.

994
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: They're not not anything major um to mention other than

995
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: that Jay Hooker. That thing is really awesome. So check

996
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: that out and you can make it. You can make

997
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: it yourself and it's not hard to do. Yeah. Yeah,

998
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: I like that, especially the fact that it's silent. Right,

999
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: there's no introduced metal. You've just got this plastic clip

1000
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: on your bow and then you're just slipping into the

1001
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: loop on your gear strap versus you know, taking the

1002
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: metal cam of your bow and possibly clinking that on

1003
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: a bow hold or something that's also made a metal. Um.

1004
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: So anytime you can remove metal out of the system,

1005
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. Agreed. Uh So, let's let's get into

1006
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: the hunting element of the running gun approach because gear, obviously,

1007
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: gear and setup is this huge kind of barrier to

1008
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: entry for a lot of people. But now let's say

1009
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: we've got our system in place, we have the basic

1010
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: elements of gear, and now we're actually gonna start hunting

1011
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: this way. We're gonna go pack in our stuff, find

1012
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: a new place to hunt, set up at the moment,

1013
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: and then you know, repeat over and over again. Um,

1014
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: let's say, it's the beginning of a hunt in a

1015
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: new place. We're traveling just like you are here soon

1016
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: to North Dakota, just as soon as I am. And

1017
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: you're beginning to hunt with no pre hung stands right,

1018
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: it's all on your back and you're gonna be figuring

1019
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: out as you go. Talk to me about your day

1020
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: one thought process and you know actual actions you will

1021
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: typically take on day one of a running gun hunt

1022
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: like this. What's that look like for Greg Godfrey? Okay,

1023
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: so I've done that. I really have to two methods

1024
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: that I use and and let me preface this answer

1025
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: with I do not claim to be the world's greatest

1026
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: big buck killer. Uh, I feel like I'm much better.

1027
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: Kind of gear is my thing. For whatever reason, I

1028
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: felt like I'm an expert in that arena when it

1029
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: comes to killing big giant bucks. There's way more successful

1030
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: people out there. But I think it probably does help

1031
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: to get different opinions right, because nobody, nobody is the

1032
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: perfect hunter. So my opinion of being a very average

1033
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: dear big buck killer is I kind of used two

1034
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: methods and I've been successful at both, so I guess

1035
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 1: it really depends on the area and how much time

1036
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: I have to hunt for to choose which one I'll do. Uh.

1037
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: Two years ago, uh, two or three years ago in Missouri,

1038
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: me and my brother went to Missouri for the first time,

1039
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 1: never hunted there out of state, and we hunted a

1040
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: big chunk of public land. We had. We had seven

1041
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: or eight days to hunt. We have both taken time

1042
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: off work. We spent the first two days scouting. We

1043
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: we didn't really I don't think we hunted at all.

1044
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: I think we scouted all day and we may have

1045
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: possibly gone in and hunted in the afternoon. I can't remember,

1046
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: but regardless, the focus was scouting. We both had opportunities

1047
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: at mature Bucks, and I killed one that really paid off.

1048
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: I've also gone in and gone straight up run and

1049
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: gun and showed up to the area, put all the

1050
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, put everything, got my kid together on my back,

1051
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 1: and gone in and just hanging hunt, found somewhere to hunt,

1052
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 1: and I've killed deer that way. So I don't know

1053
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: if there's one superior. I know that if I have

1054
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: multiple days to hunt, you know, call it. Let's let's

1055
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: say seven days. Is that that magic number We're all

1056
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: transition into spending a day or two just learning the

1057
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: area us scouting, and that's not all just boots on

1058
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: the ground walking through the woods. A lot of it

1059
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: is scouting access scouting where other people are scouting. What

1060
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: where some maybe some private land that might give us

1061
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: an access. Maybe we knock on a door and try

1062
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: to get access to in a creative way to the

1063
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 1: land that we can hunt. So it's not just walking

1064
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: through looking for rubs and scrapes. That's not the only

1065
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: type of scouting I'm talking about. I'm talking about an

1066
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: overarching get a lay of the land. And really you

1067
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: only have to do this the first time you've been

1068
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,399
Speaker 1: to an area. The next the next year we went back,

1069
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: we didn't do this. We only you know, we basically

1070
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 1: jumped right into hunting because now we had this bank

1071
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: of spots that we knew were good. Yeah. So that's

1072
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: a method that you can take spend some time scouting.

1073
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: I learned that from John Eberhardt Um and it is

1074
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: paid off for me. No, what about the other one,

1075
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: the other one where you you kind of rig up

1076
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,919
Speaker 1: day one and you're gonna kind of work your way

1077
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: in and I'm assuming kind of scout your way in

1078
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: until you find a spot that you want to hunt. Um,

1079
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: that's definitely something I've done too, And it introduces this

1080
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 1: tricky endeavor though, where you've got everything you need to

1081
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: hunt anywhere, but you also have this, at least I do.

1082
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: As you work your way along, there's always the what's

1083
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: over the next hill question? Right, what's around the next corner?

1084
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: It might be better just over there. And so I

1085
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: find myself finding sign or finding something or good looking spot,

1086
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, this this looks pretty good. This

1087
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: could work, But I really like the way that thing

1088
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 1: looked on the map or whatever. And so that's a

1089
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: challenge that I've certainly faced, trying to figure out what's

1090
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: good enough to stop, what's not good enough and I

1091
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: should keep going? Uh. When you are working your way

1092
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: in on a hunt like that, can you talk to

1093
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 1: about your thought process and what is enough to stop

1094
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: and hunt right now versus and I gotta keep looking.

1095
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 1: That's a fantastic question. Normally, the first day, I'm so where,

1096
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm picking a terrain feature on a map or some

1097
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: sort of maybe not necessarily terrain, but some sort of funnel,

1098
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: or I'm picking up spot on a map, and I'm

1099
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 1: I'm going there and there's not too much that's gonna

1100
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,560
Speaker 1: deter me normally now, and I have had instances where

1101
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: that didn't happen. And perfect example is last year in

1102
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: North Dakota, I killed a buck. I was planning to

1103
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: walk three quarters of a mile into this public area

1104
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: and hunt this thick river oxbow, and I found a

1105
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: stupid amount of sign right by my truck, and I

1106
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: made the right call. I followed my gut and I

1107
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: hunted that spot and I killed a really big buck

1108
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: right by a truck. A matter of fact, I could

1109
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: see my truck forty yards from the truck, so that

1110
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: that's hard to do for me. I think there are

1111
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: other hunters that are better at that. My friend Jared Schaefer,

1112
00:58:56,040 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: he's really good at fine and sign like at and

1113
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: kind of altering his plans. I tend to be a planner.

1114
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Maybe it's my military background, where you plan and plan

1115
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: and then you follow the plan. But I tend to

1116
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: pick a spot on a map, and I don't get

1117
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: deterred too much unless it's just unless you know it's

1118
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: idiot proof signed. Then in that regard, you know even

1119
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 1: I can figure it out. But I'm not real smart,

1120
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: so I just tend to stick to my plan. What

1121
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: about your military background or how has that helped with

1122
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: that planning? Like, what have you taken from that background

1123
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: and applied to your deer hunting you know, your game

1124
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: plan for a public land hunt or for a given day.

1125
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: Uh does that translate in a big way? Absolutely? Absolutely so.

1126
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: As I was, I was an officer in the military

1127
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: for ten years in the army, and primarily what an

1128
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 1: officer does in the army is plan that's your that's

1129
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: your primary objective. And most jobs in the Army as

1130
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: an officer your planning, and you're typically planning with other people.

1131
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: So you're looking at a problem, doesn't matter what it is,

1132
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: You're looking at it from every possible angle, and then

1133
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: you're throwing scenarios back and forth amongst your group, and

1134
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: then you're planning on how to solve that variable. And

1135
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: then another variable comes into it and you're planning and

1136
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 1: you're learning how to plan on that variable. So I

1137
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: really think it it Uh, it translates well into hunting

1138
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: new public land for me, because I I mean a

1139
01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: lot of guys have this. I'm not saying I'm special,

1140
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: but I do feel like I can look at a

1141
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: piece of property and analyze it from a lot of

1142
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: different angles. And I've been very fortunate, lucky, blessed, whatever

1143
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: you wanna call it to to have that work out

1144
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: for me. Um. You know, the flip side is to that,

1145
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: the con right, because there's pro and con to every system.

1146
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: The con to that is sometimes you can find yourself

1147
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: getting you know, analysis paralysis, and you can overthink things.

1148
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: And I can do that as well. Um tends to

1149
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: not happen as much as I've gotten older and more experienced.

1150
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, the planning side of the military, I think

1151
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: it translates very well into specifically the run and gun

1152
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 1: mobile style of hunting, where you have to figure out

1153
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 1: an area very quickly. So speaking of analysis paralysis, I

1154
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: I am frequently infected by that disease. And UM, one

1155
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: of the places, one of the situations where I find

1156
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: myself in that kind of moment. And if people were

1157
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: to ever watch me in the woods, they would know

1158
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: that I'm in this situation when they see me stopped

1159
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: somewhere in the middle of the woods, looking up to

1160
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: the left and then looking to the right, and then

1161
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: looking ahead of me, and then walking three yards this way,

1162
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: then looking at my phone for about a minute and

1163
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: shaking my head and then looking back up to the

1164
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: left and looking to the right. And what I'm doing

1165
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: is trying to pick which damn tree I want to

1166
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: hunt because I found the spot, but I want to

1167
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 1: find the spot within the spot, the perfect tree for

1168
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: this general zone I'm hunting. UM. I think you know

1169
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: there's an art to this. UM. I'm curious what your

1170
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: thought process looks like when picking the tree. What are

1171
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 1: the most important criteria? What do you rank as the

1172
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: most important when you're looking at the different criteria, um?

1173
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: And how do all the different things we just talked

1174
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,919
Speaker 1: about when it comes to ascending a tree and having

1175
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 1: a good setup in the tree, how does all that

1176
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: impact what you pick as well? Oh? Well, I I

1177
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: mean I don't think there's any mobile run and gun

1178
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: guy out there that doesn't it doesn't pick the tree

1179
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: in the same way. I mean, I do the same thing.

1180
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: In a perfect world, you would get to your spot

1181
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: and there's a beautiful oak tree with the perfect amount

1182
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: of cover, it's the right diameter, it's not leaning one

1183
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,959
Speaker 1: way or the other, and it's set up to where

1184
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: that scrape is fifteen yards away, and you've got a

1185
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: ton of back cover. I mean, that's just rare really happens, right,

1186
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: So you're thinking of of all of these things, and

1187
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: it can be difficult. I mean you're thinking, Okay, is

1188
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: the tree leaning one way or the other. Is that

1189
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: going to cause me to be uncomfortable or or is

1190
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: it going to cause me to have to take a

1191
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: weird shot angle? Is it facing the right way? Am

1192
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: I going to be able to look the right way

1193
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: for the right wind. There's you know, a thousand factors

1194
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: that come into picking the right tree. This is one

1195
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I ended up changing over to

1196
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,400
Speaker 1: a saddle system. Nothing as tree stands. I'm not saying

1197
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: they don't work, that's not the point. I'm just saying

1198
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: for me personally, the way I hunt, I have found

1199
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: it in the in the mobile style of hunting that

1200
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: I can get into more trees more easily with the

1201
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: saddle hunting system. And that's just me. But I mean

1202
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: you could have ten other guests on here that would

1203
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: say the opposite, that the tree stand is more easy

1204
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: to use. So I'm not really making a claim either way.

1205
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 1: It's just that for me, that's my opinion, that's what

1206
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: works best, and I found that it makes that that

1207
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: decision a little bit easier because I typically will find

1208
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: two or three trees that will work. And then usually

1209
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: what I find in the as the last criteria is okay,

1210
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: well I can kill I can hit the spot I

1211
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: want to hit with. You know, these three trees. So

1212
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick the one that looks the most comfortable,

1213
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: and that's usually I guess the final deciding criteria. You know,

1214
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,919
Speaker 1: if I don't have to trim any limbs, or one

1215
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: gives me a little bit more cover, I'm gonna I'm

1216
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: gonna pick that one just because it's ease of use.

1217
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: But I wish there was a magic formula that I

1218
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 1: could give to to make picking a tree easier. But

1219
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 1: I find that I'm in the same exact boat as you.

1220
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: And then I'm looking around and and then you're always

1221
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: second guessing yourself too. Right, you start climbing up a

1222
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: tree and you're like, oh, man, but look at that one.

1223
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: There's a poplar over there that just looks perfect. Maybe

1224
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 1: I should get in that one. And you know, typically,

1225
01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: in me fashion, I typically just stick with my first choice.

1226
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: And you know, most times you're go with your gut,

1227
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: your I think, what what do they say when you're

1228
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: taking like a standardized test that like most of the

1229
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: time your first guest is the right guest. So maybe

1230
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: that that translates into hunting picking a tree as well. Yeah,

1231
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned shooting lanes. What's your philosophy and shooting lanes?

1232
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,240
Speaker 1: Do you? Uh? I know there's some people even on

1233
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 1: mobile hunts, where they just have to make sure they

1234
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: get a handful of good lanes and they'll they'll do

1235
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: the extra work to do that. Other guys are like, Nope,

1236
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to make an extra sound. I don't

1237
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 1: want to make a single extra movement. I'm just gonna

1238
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: live with whatever the tree gives me and maybe just

1239
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: you know, push something to the side right next to

1240
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,040
Speaker 1: you in the tree or whatever. Um. And we're making

1241
01:05:40,040 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: an assumption that cutting student lanes is legal wherever you're hunting, right,

1242
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 1: some public land spots can't do that, but in the

1243
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: places that you can. What's your take. I tend to

1244
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: be the second guy. I tend to be the guy

1245
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't want to make any noise. I don't want

1246
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: to break limbs, I don't want to cut lanes. I

1247
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: tend to be the guy that is willing to trade

1248
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: fewer shooting lanes for more cover and concealment. That's just

1249
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: me not saying I'm right. Um, that's what I do though. Okay,

1250
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: I found myself getting that way more and more. Here's

1251
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: another challenge, you know, if like the flip side John Eberhart,

1252
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt, but John Eberhart's kind of the opposite, right,

1253
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: and he's one of my hunting mentors. He goes in

1254
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 1: preseason and he'll cut lanes to make sure he can

1255
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: shoot to every area it's possible, eat you know, where

1256
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: it's legal. Um, And I think he does that even

1257
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: on a on what does he call it a freelance hunt. Um,

1258
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 1: he'll he'll do the same thing. He'll cut lanes, and

1259
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: he's way more successful than me. So I don't know

1260
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 1: that there's necessarily right answer. I just tend to be

1261
01:06:45,080 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: a little bit more cautious when I'm getting in a

1262
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: tree and I don't want to make noise. Yeah. So

1263
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: if if shooting lanes are one potential challenge with hunting

1264
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: mobile right and just having that balance between quiet and

1265
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: quick versus opening more shooting opportunities, another their potential challenge

1266
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 1: with the running gun approach that I've found at least

1267
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: is that the flexibility that you have when you're running

1268
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: gun hunting has like an evil step brother side to it.

1269
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: So if the if the angel on your shoulder of

1270
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 1: the running gun white tail approach is the fact that

1271
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: you can have a first set every day, you can

1272
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: see something and you can move on it the next

1273
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: you know, an hour later and be hunting in that spot.

1274
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: Right you can get where you gotta go. That's the

1275
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: angel on one side, that's the beautiful side of this.

1276
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: On the flip side is that that sometimes maybe can

1277
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 1: go too far and you might find yourself jump into

1278
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: this spot to this spot, to this spot, to this spot,

1279
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: and then you're chasing your tail and uh, maybe you've

1280
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: overdone it. It is is that something you've experienced. Is

1281
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: there something to that, Can you go too far with

1282
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 1: being mobile or do you think that no, that's that's fine,

1283
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 1: go for it. What's your take there? No, I I

1284
01:07:59,160 --> 01:08:02,040
Speaker 1: think that I can tend to fall into that category

1285
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: where I moved too much. Um that happened to me

1286
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: last year. I was hunting in Missouri and I don't

1287
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: think I hunted the same tree twice and you know,

1288
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: good or bad. You know who's to say. But I

1289
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: think that I can fall into that trap of always

1290
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: thinking the grass is greener, right, I mean you said

1291
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: it earlier. What's over the next hill? What's over the

1292
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: next hill. I'm the same way, and I always think

1293
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: that the grass is greener or the acorns are fatter

1294
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: in another part of the woods. And I think you

1295
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 1: have to find that balance, right, I mean life is

1296
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: about finding balance and all things. And I don't I

1297
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 1: don't know why that wouldn't apply to running gun hunting

1298
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 1: if it should. You know, if you're in a spot

1299
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: and the sign is there and you sit at one

1300
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: time and you don't see a big buck, well, you know, yeah,

1301
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,200
Speaker 1: maybe you should give it two or three more hunts.

1302
01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's I don't think there's any hard

1303
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,439
Speaker 1: and fast rule where I would say would something that

1304
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: would A scenario that would make me think twice about

1305
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,759
Speaker 1: moving is access If there's a spot that I find

1306
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: and the access is bulletproof. You know, maybe I get

1307
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 1: to walk through a creek ditch where there's a very

1308
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 1: low probability of getting winded or the deer getting on

1309
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: my ground set, or you know, whatever it is. If

1310
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: if access is there and it gives me an advantage, um,

1311
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: then I have no problem finding, you know, hunting that

1312
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: spot and and kind of camping out on it, because

1313
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm not giving myself away to to

1314
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: a mature deer. Now, if I have to walk through

1315
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: and I'm covering a lot of ground and there's lots

1316
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,120
Speaker 1: of opportunities for the deer to send me both my

1317
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: wind and and my ground sent then I'm probably gonna

1318
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 1: think maybe it's maybe it's not worth a second try.

1319
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: But those those unicorn places where you can get in

1320
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 1: and out of it undetected and the sign is there, Man,

1321
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: those spots can just be die to mine. Yeah. When

1322
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,160
Speaker 1: you when you find that diamond and the rough, sometimes

1323
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,639
Speaker 1: you really gotta you gotta baby and take advantage of it.

1324
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. I want to wrap it up

1325
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: with a final look at challenges here because there are some, uh,

1326
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: and you you do these events all over the country

1327
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 1: now where you're meeting with people that are interested in

1328
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: saddles and mobile hunting, and so I think maybe more

1329
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,560
Speaker 1: than almost anyone else out there, you've probably talked to

1330
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: more mobile hunters or aspiring mobile hunters than maybe anyone else.

1331
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: So my question for you is this, what is or

1332
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: what are the biggest mistakes that you see people making

1333
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to trying this approach to hunting, Like,

1334
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 1: what's what's the big one that we just gotta fix

1335
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: that if more people did this right, or if more

1336
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: people didn't think this way, or whatever it is, would

1337
01:10:54,160 --> 01:10:56,640
Speaker 1: make a whole lot of mobile hunters more effective. Is

1338
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: there anything that comes to mind? Yeah, there is, and

1339
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: and I think it goes back to practice. I don't

1340
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: think hunter's practice. Um, anything you want to be good at,

1341
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: you have to practice it. And we talked to people

1342
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: all the time that even though we tell them not

1343
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: to do this, they buy their gear and they get

1344
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 1: it in the mail and they're jacked. Or they buy

1345
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: tree stand and you know, they buy somebody this awesome

1346
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 1: new ultral tree stand and it's it's amazing, and they

1347
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 1: go out and they hunt with it, and they don't

1348
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: go in their backyard and they don't nail down their

1349
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,720
Speaker 1: system and they just go out and hunt. And then

1350
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,200
Speaker 1: what happens is they get to the tree and it's

1351
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 1: a cluster, right because the ropes are in the wrong

1352
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: place and they don't have the straps attached to their sticks,

1353
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,799
Speaker 1: and they they fold down the climbing the tree stand

1354
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: and it bangs and it makes a bunch of noise,

1355
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 1: and they're like, this is b s But it's not

1356
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: the gear's fault, and it's not. It's not that they

1357
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: had the wrong strategy. They didn't take the time to

1358
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: train themselves in the practice ahead of time. I full

1359
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: believe that to thirty minute sessions in the backyard are

1360
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: on any piece of public land where it's legal, that

1361
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: can pay huge dividends. When you're talking about a mobile run,

1362
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: a gun set up, and I don't care if it's

1363
01:12:14,160 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: saddle treat I don't care what what your gear is.

1364
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: If you go out and you spend some time, some effort,

1365
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 1: just like you go out and practice in your backyard

1366
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: with your bow. People shoot all summer long, they're dialing

1367
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: in their bow. But how many people take out their

1368
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: tree stand or their saddle and they make sure it's

1369
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: not making noise. They make sure to hit the metal

1370
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: parts that are banging around with stealth strips or some

1371
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: other silencing material. How many people take the time to

1372
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 1: spray paint and knock off the really shining areas you

1373
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,719
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to your gear. Probably in this

1374
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: style of hunting more than any other style of hunting.

1375
01:12:49,720 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: You really have to pay attention to your gear. You

1376
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: have to dial it in, and you have to practice.

1377
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: There's just there's there's no other way to to get

1378
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: to the level of efficiency and order to make this fun,

1379
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: because if you don't, if you aren't efficient with it,

1380
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's kind of a cluster, it's not gonna

1381
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: be fun, and you're gonna quit, and you're gonna go

1382
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: on Facebook and you're say Greg Godfrey and Mark Kenyon

1383
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: are full of it. Their liars. They said I was

1384
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: gonna kill big Bucks, and all I did was make

1385
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of noise and scare off every deer in

1386
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: the woods. And it's not Greg and Mark's fault. It's

1387
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 1: your fault. You didn't go and practice. Can't argue that. Man.

1388
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 1: I have been the victim of not practicing early on

1389
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: when I was trying this stuff, and uh, I learned

1390
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,559
Speaker 1: very quickly that you gotta do it. You gotta get

1391
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 1: comfortable with it, because it's always harder when you're actually

1392
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,400
Speaker 1: out there in the field and you think there's deer

1393
01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: hundred yards away or it's pitch black or whatever like

1394
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: always in the field's harder to do. Uh, So practice

1395
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: ahead of time, so that's as close to second nature

1396
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 1: as you can make it, and you will you will

1397
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: never regret that time spent, that's for sure. Oh we

1398
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: had a it was a thing. Commanders in the Army

1399
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: used to always say. You know, their mantra was always

1400
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: trained as you fight. And what that means is that

1401
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,440
Speaker 1: you know, you put yourself in the most realistic scenario

1402
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: as you can. And that's why the Army does these big,

1403
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: big exercises where everybody goes out, they set up all

1404
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 1: their gear and they go through scenarios and they try

1405
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: to make it as realistic as possible. Because when you're

1406
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: used to that and you're training like you would actually fight, well,

1407
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: when when the fight comes, then it's second nature and

1408
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: it's much more easy to deal with. It's the same

1409
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: way when you're learning a new tactic and a new

1410
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: strategy like mobile hunting. If you will go out there

1411
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: and you will practice just like you would be on

1412
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: November one, and you've set up your gear and you

1413
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,960
Speaker 1: you know where your stuff is and you've got your

1414
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: system down down, I promise you, You're gonna enjoy it

1415
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,320
Speaker 1: a lot more. Yeah, that's that's great. Train as you fight,

1416
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: it brings to mind something like I love these little

1417
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: mantras a little. Just sayings like that that kind of

1418
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: distill really important reminders that you just need to kind

1419
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: of have in your head to just like trigger Okay, yeah,

1420
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta rever do this for me. The

1421
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,960
Speaker 1: last couple of years has been slow as smooth smooth

1422
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: is fast, because I have this tendency to always feel

1423
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: like I'm behind. I always feel like I need to

1424
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: rush to the next place. I'm always walking a million

1425
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: miles a minute like everything I do. Uh My buddies

1426
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: complained that I'm just like almost running everywhere I try

1427
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,839
Speaker 1: to go, and that kind of filters into my hunting

1428
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: to whether it's trying to get up a scen of

1429
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: the tree or trying to get set up in the

1430
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 1: tree or picking the tree or whatever it is. I

1431
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: always feel like I'm behind. I gotta go faster, and

1432
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: so I need to remind myself slow as smooth or sorry, smooth,

1433
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 1: slow as smooth, smooth is fast, So just slow it down.

1434
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: If you slow it down, you actually end up making

1435
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: fewer mistakes. You actually end up going faster because you're

1436
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: not stumbling on yourself trying to rush through process. So

1437
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: for me, that's become a little bit of internal mantra

1438
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: of sorts. Through a lot of my run and gun hunts,

1439
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,639
Speaker 1: I find myself saying that all the time. It's four

1440
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,280
Speaker 1: in the morning, I'm worried about the sun gonna come

1441
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,559
Speaker 1: up too soon or whatever, and I'm not quite set up,

1442
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:06,719
Speaker 1: and um, maybe it's not forward, probably six thirty or something.

1443
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,679
Speaker 1: But I'll just be slowest smooth, just like chill out, Mark,

1444
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: Just just keep doing the next step, next step, don't worry.

1445
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 1: And that helps me when when you think, do you

1446
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 1: find anything like that for yourself? Is there some kind

1447
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 1: of mantra you have, or any kind of one liner

1448
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: or or just anything like this that's with you on

1449
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 1: your hunts or as hunting season picks up that you

1450
01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,760
Speaker 1: take from your military background. Maybe, UM, I don't know,

1451
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: does any of this bring anything to mind for you?

1452
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 1: I I use the same one slowest, smooth, smooth is fast.

1453
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: It's uh, that's something we also talked about in the

1454
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: army specifically, Um, you know when we're doing whatever it

1455
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: was lots of exercises when sergeants and CEOs and and

1456
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 1: would would would repeat that mantra, and I use the

1457
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 1: same exact mantra when I'm climbing the tree. I just

1458
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: think to myself over and over again, slowest, smooth, smooth

1459
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: as fast, and it's it's it's about safety, it's about stealth.

1460
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:09,879
Speaker 1: It just really makes a big difference. I use exactly

1461
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: the same thought processes you um trying to think. If

1462
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: there's anything else that I think through, Um, off the

1463
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: top of my head, I can't really think of anything else.

1464
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: But I'm glad to hear that great minds, great minds

1465
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: are there. Greg, We're on the same page. Um well,

1466
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, being the co founder of a

1467
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 1: mobile hunting company, you've done an amazing job of not

1468
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: being tempted to plug your own products throughout this entire thing,

1469
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:40,840
Speaker 1: which I think a lot of people would think that

1470
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,280
Speaker 1: would happen. Uh So, so thank you for making this

1471
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: relevant and applicable to anyone, no matter what style of

1472
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: hunting they use or what products that choose to use.

1473
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: But all that said, we are going to wrap it up.

1474
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,679
Speaker 1: I'd be remiss if I didn't give you a chance

1475
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: to tell people where to go to learn more about

1476
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: the stuff that you actually build and put out for

1477
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 1: these types of hunters. So where can people go if

1478
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 1: they want to see the stuff that you actually use

1479
01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 1: and recommend. Yeah, So we started we started a company

1480
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: with a bunch of mobile hunters that we all met

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Speaker 1: online in a forum. Believe it or not, we started

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01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: that about three years ago and it's kind of it's

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01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: taken off and it's a whole thing now. But we're

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Speaker 1: Tethered Nation and we made the world's best saddle hunting gear.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'm I'm biased, but there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of options out there now, which I kind

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Speaker 1: of alluded to this earlier. Uh. The cool thing about

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Speaker 1: since we've launched Tethered and you know some of the

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: tree stand guys have taken that off, there is no

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Speaker 1: better time in history to be to get into mobile

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Speaker 1: hunting now, or get into mobile huntington right now, because

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01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: you have options. I don't care if you if you're

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01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: talking saddles or tree stands or I don't care what

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01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: it is. There's options now, something that we didn't have

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Speaker 1: five years ago. So do your research. There's lots of

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01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: great resources on YouTube and social media. Mark has a

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01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 1: whole bunch of content that's awesome talking about mobile hunting.

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Speaker 1: I've got stuff on my channel, Tether's got stuff on

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: their channel, so there's no reason not to be able

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Speaker 1: to find the best stuff that you possibly can. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I happen to think our stuff is pretty

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01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 1: great at Tether. I am a fan too. I can't

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Speaker 1: I can't deny that. So Greg, thanks so much for

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01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,759
Speaker 1: taking the time and sharing this, uh, this insight. And uh,

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Speaker 1: even though I've been doing this, you know with a

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01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:32,000
Speaker 1: stand I did it for probably the last ten years.

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01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: In the last four years have been with the saddle,

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01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: and I did do it more and more and more

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01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: and more every year. It's uh, it's absolutely changed how

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01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,679
Speaker 1: I hunt. So I'm glad we get this chance to

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Speaker 1: to dive into it specifically and hopefully help some people out.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate everything you're doing. Greg. Thank you, Thanks Mark,

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Speaker 1: and that is it. Thanks for listening. Like Greg mentioned, uh,

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Speaker 1: there's lots of great options out there for this kind

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01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: of equipment, but I certainly, um, I certainly do love

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01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: my Tether stuff. So for whatever that's worth, their one

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 1: to check out and otherwise I would just encourage again

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01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: to give it a try. This is an effective way

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01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: to go about things. It's not for everyone, definitely not

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01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: for everyone, but it might be worth a shot. It's

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01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: worked for me, and UH hopefully it's something you can

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01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: find some value in as well. And with that, I

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01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,719
Speaker 1: think we will shut her down. We'll send you guys

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Speaker 1: out with another best of luck salutation I suppose what

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01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:33,879
Speaker 1: they call it. And UH, until next time, stay wired

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Speaker 1: Ton