WEBVTT - You Can't Shame the Devil 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.480 Good morning, peep Sen. Welcome to WIKA F Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:21.320 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording pre recording from the Homebunker. Folks. 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.200 I am really excited, you know that once a month 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.640 I have the great fortune of sitting down with my good, 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.479 good friend, the Reverend Mark Thompson, who is the host 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:36.159 of Make It Plain. You know, I enjoy these monthly 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:40.519 conversations with Mark because we get to dive in to 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.839 the there there right, to the nitty gritty, to the 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.320 real talk that you don't get on cable news, the 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.800 nuance and the complexities and the layers of situations around 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:54.840 race and politics, and the fight for our freedom and 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:58.480 our rights, the ways in which we are being manipulated 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.400 as a people to keep quiet, to keep comfortable, and 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:07.360 to not be activated into action. And the conversation that 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.520 Mark and I have today is a robust one, and 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:13.920 I'm so grateful for it because, you know, we talk 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:20.119 about one the alarm that The New York Times set 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:25.000 off with their article with regard to pronouncing to the 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:29.959 world that talks of a civil war on far right 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.880 social media platforms is up three thousand percent. Yes, you 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:40.760 heard me right, three thousand percent. Now, I want you 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:46.560 to understand that during the twenty twenty racial uprisings across 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.480 this country, in the midst of a pandemic, we watched 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.680 a man take his last breath at the hand of 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.160 a white police officer that couldn't even be bothered to 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.520 take his fucking hands out of his pocket as he 0:01:57.600 --> 0:02:00.720 was suffocating a man to death with a lie audience. 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:14.119 The FBI, the CIA law enforcement arrested were following investigating 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:22.960 members of Black Lives Matter, members of other advocacy, social 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:27.480 justice and civil rights organizations, picking up protesters on the 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:31.919 street that were exercising their right to assemble and their 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:38.160 right to fight for justice as citizens of a fucking democracy. However, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:44.840 when there was chatter in broad fucking daylight, out in 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.680 the open about the insurrection and what was being planned 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.640 and where the feelings were, oh that was let go. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.440 Oh somehow it'd slipped through the cracks, somehow, they just 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:01.000 didn't have their finger on that pulse, did they. So 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:03.919 now here comes to New York Times, damn near two 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.200 years after the insurrection, the dress rehearsal to what they 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.920 really fucking want, which is a civil war, telling us 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.080 once again, hey, hey, hey, anybody home paying attention to 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.200 the fact that these motherfuckers are organizing an arsenal and 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.680 organizing themselves once again and broad daylight. And ain't nobody 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:27.000 getting arrested, nobody being investigated or picked up, these terrorist 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:32.600 cells being broken up. No. So I'm wondering, as Mark 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:38.960 and I delve into this conversation, how our lack of 0:03:39.080 --> 0:03:43.040 self reflection as a nation has played a part in 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:47.240 where we find ourselves at this present moment. So coming 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:51.520 up next my wonderful deep dive conversation with my good 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:56.880 friend the Reverend Mark Thompson, host of Naked Play. Hey, 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.640 I'm David, Plots of Slaves Political Gabfest. As another election 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.360 season accelerates, it can be tricky to sort through all 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:07.280 the noise and the news. 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Mark, I look forward 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.120 to our conversations because I think that we get into 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:50.360 the real reel, the things that aren't being really delved 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:55.600 into and addressed in mainstream media and news. And one 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.200 of the things that has been on my mind, Mark 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.120 and I have been I'm not gonna mens words, I've 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.640 been scared as hell, and things that are keeping me 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.680 up at night is the fact that, you know, the 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.920 New York Times had reported that calls for a civil war, 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:21.680 civil war on these far right websites, chat rooms, social platforms, 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:28.080 across social platforms is up three thousand percent, not three percent, 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:32.479 not three hundred percent, three thousand percent. I had a 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.679 follower of mine. She lives out east on Long Island, 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.520 where I grew up. She said, Danielle, I've been noticing 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:45.400 as I'm driving by seeing these flags on people's lawns 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.320 with these stars in a circle. She's like, I kept 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.520 seeing it and so I had to Google it to 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.680 figure out what it was. She goes, you know what 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.240 it is, She said, It's a sign of the civil war. 0:05:57.800 --> 0:06:00.839 I'm seeing that out east on Long Island, people putting 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.160 them putting it in their front yard. So Mark, I 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:09.360 wanted to get your initial thoughts on what is now 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.880 percolating up in the mainstream. But again, I don't think 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:18.080 it's still receiving the alarm, this sense of urgency that 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.400 it should be well. Always good to be with you 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.600 as well, Danielle, and I also look forward to our 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:34.520 wonderful and our lively discussions. First of all, I agree 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.039 it's not getting the attention it deserves because in this 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:44.080 country people still think fat meat ain't greasy, and even 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.560 though we saw what happened January six people are still like, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.320 you know, they can't believe it. And it really goes 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.120 back now, we go back before Trump. It goes back 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:57.479 to the Bush doctrine of shock and awe, and when 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:00.760 you have shock and awe, people just they aren't prepared 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:02.760 for it. I don't know yet what it's gonna take now. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.360 I think obviously more people get it because of January sixth, 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:13.880 but that is really a very surface kind of a thing. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:19.400 Those of us who are involved in politics full time, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:24.200 particularly involved in civil rights, we saw January sixth for 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.920 what it was and what what was it? It really 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:32.760 started out as sort of a rebellion or civil war cosplay, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:35.680 and then folks got swept up in it. Don't take 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:37.720 but a handful of the mob to take it to 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.280 the next level, and that's what they did. Okay, So 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.680 I think people do need to take this more seriously. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.520 But there's a problem with American history and culture, like 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:51.840 we don't want to teach we don't want people to 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.560 learn black history anymore. We're using CRT to wipe out 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:03.160 conscious curriculum throughout the country. What America has been teaching 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:13.000 for years is decades is a sanitized version of the 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:17.280 Confederacy that has been part of the struggle along in 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:19.560 my early days in radio, when I was even still 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:22.520 on AM radio, that was a constant debate I was 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:26.880 having about what there was and Clarence Thomas was involved 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:29.560 in a one time. Was a civil war really about slavery? 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:31.920 You still don't want to deal with that question? It was, 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.520 Oh no, it wasn't. It was just that was it 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:39.559 was about the economy. What the economy was slavery? Okay, 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.560 So that's it. And because we have not really dealt 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:47.120 with that, and let's be frank that now this history 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:51.199 is tried and true. There was not all this romanticism 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:55.400 of the Confederacy immediately after Confederacy. It wasn't until the 0:08:55.440 --> 0:09:01.560 segregationist movement really picked up in the forties and late forties, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.200 mid to late forties leading into the fifties that the 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.280 strong thermons of the world began to say, wait, way, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.280 we can work this, we can market this. That's just 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:15.560 like the Second Amendment. Prior to the sixties. In the 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.319 history of law review articles going back to the eighteen hundreds, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.920 there was never a single law review article in the 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:25.839 history of this country that said the Second Amendment was 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.240 about individual rights, keeping bare arms, so they're able to 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:31.280 manipulate things. So then they start away, We're gonna pay 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.439 some people in the sixties in law schools to manufacture 0:09:35.600 --> 0:09:39.560 law review articles to change this same thing with the 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.400 Civil War and Confederacy. We're gonna sanitaze, We're gonna start 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.320 building the statues. We're gonna sanitaze this, and we're gonna 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.839 use this to say we want our South back. We're 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.920 going to use this to prevent desegregation in the South. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.360 So this is the importance of history. This is why 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:03.079 not teaching history, not understanding history. So I'm one of 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.719 the last thing announced stop. I want anybody under the 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.440 sound of our voices who's listening to this show, just 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.400 send us a message. Whatever. Name another country in the 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:16.359 world that has had civil war and they still celebrating, 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.240 they romanticize it. It's I think, if I'm not mistaken, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:23.800 it's against the dog We got first of them here 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:25.480 in Germany. It's against law to run around here and 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.720 act like a Nazi and reminisce that they will lock 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:32.320 you up. The queen just that. Did you see anybody 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.240 from a British Civil war history out then costume or 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.320 trying to talk about doing something or the gunpowder plot 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:43.400 into those things. No, because people live in the reality 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.840 of today. Most people don't go back to that. If 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.079 you want to do something new, do something new, be 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.800 original at least, But who goes back to recreate their 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:55.360 own countries civil wars. So you have that cosplay plus 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.599 the illness that exists in this country that was exacerbated 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:04.040 obviously about the drum presidency. You know what, I what 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.120 I think right, and you touch on so many things, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.800 which is the sickness of this country really is our 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.640 denial of our history and the true history of it. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:19.560 That's really where the sickness comes from. We always want 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:25.600 to refer to slavery as the original sin. Well, I 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.440 don't know, to your point, who goes around then cost 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:33.280 play and sin right in a way that you see 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:36.920 the white lover is still of the Confederacy and of 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.280 white supremacy doing on a regular basis. I mean, you know, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.640 not only do we celebrate we're still in the twenty 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.000 first century taking down statues that were erected to treason 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.360 because that's what it was. And that's the thing that 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.520 I don't you don't need to be a student of 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:58.200 history to understand that you had a divide in this 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:03.680 country of people who wanted to overthrow right legitimate government 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:07.080 in order to continue the practice of enslaving other human 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.840 beings because they couldn't figure out or understand how to 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:17.320 advance an economy without free, enslaved, tortured, brutalized labor. Right, 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.400 So when you decide then that that is not an 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:25.439 actual stain, because if it was truly seen as America's 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.360 original sin, that we wouldn't celebrate it in the way 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:31.160 that we do, right, that it would be frowned upon, 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:33.560 and it would be taught in such a way that, 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:38.560 to your point, Germany reconciled with its own learnings around 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:43.160 how the hell you were in a country that was 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:50.319 that exterminated, that killed, that brutalized, that snuffed out six 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:54.280 million human beings? How did you all get on board 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:59.320 with that? Right? So I think that we see now, 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:06.880 Mark this to return to book banning, this, return to 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:12.080 segregating our curriculum, because that's what we're doing. Because you will, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:17.240 in private schools and in some independent schools, they'll continue 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:21.600 to learn right, they'll continue to understand critical thought and 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.120 be prepared for the world around them. But it's why 0:13:25.440 --> 0:13:29.680 the question is never asked of these right wing Republicans, 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.480 why don't you want Americans to know the truth? Why 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:38.439 are you so afraid of white Americans understanding the entirety 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:43.360 of this country's history? And so, you know, Mark, do 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:46.440 you even see because I want to really tap into 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.600 this call for a civil war, but I feel like 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.720 folks are calling for a civil war because they don't 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:57.760 They honestly don't even understand most people that are that 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.520 are doing this the brutality of war, right, Or maybe 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.560 they do and they don't care, But do you like 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.959 talk to me about how this denial of history is 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:13.920 part of our continued trauma and cycle of what we're 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.240 dealing with in this country right now. It's not only 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.440 the denial of history, it's a denial of the ongoing 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:27.280 reality that exists in this country, and we find trying 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.200 to rear its ugly head more and more around the world. Look, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.040 we just had in Italy. Now we know they just 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:39.600 selected the woman Mussolini again, folks, broken record. We need 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.000 to go back and listen to God arrest her soul, 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:46.119 doctor Francis Chris Welson. And while she was a clinician, 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.960 I mean she said some very clear political and socio 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:58.920 cultural things. We exist within a global system of racism 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.480 and white supremacy. That is the bedrock of what is 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.280 going on here. Now. People don't want to talk about that. 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:07.680 They're uncomfortable with that. Yeah, we don always want to 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:11.000 talk about race, Margios, don't talk about race. But when 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:12.960 you wake up, when we wake up in the morning 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.720 to start our day, the global system of racism and 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.920 white supremacy has already been at work all night and 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:26.520 it is institutionalized. And the sooner we accept that and 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:31.400 confront that. So that system exists, These civil war flare ups, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.040 these conversations Q and nine, all this stuff is a 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:38.640 result of that. And until we call it out and 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.400 snuff it out, it's going to continue to be a 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:46.920 problem for us. And look, this goes all the way 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.680 around some of us a black food. We don't want 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:52.400 to talk about that, you know, because it's easier sometimes 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.400 keep our head in the stands and just in saying 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.680 and go here with our daily function. You know, we 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.680 don't want to take it on, but we have to. 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.600 We don't have a choice. Um. I find in my life, 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.040 my life is healthier when I confront the real enemies, y'all. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:10.960 When we don't confront the real enemies, then we tend 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:15.040 to take things out on one another. That's my that's 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:19.520 my clinical advice. You know, if we are confronting the 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.080 real problem. How many of us have problems at work 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.440 and then come this is this is deal with that 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.960 local matter, just in your immediate local situation, local life, 0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:34.120 immediate life problems in the workplace. We bring that home 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.120 and take it out on our loved ones. That's what 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:41.120 that's that's that's human nature. Um. But it takes a 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.880 level of discipline and understanding. And this comes through education, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.640 This comes through enlightenment, This comes from information being power. 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:51.320 So wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, my loved ones 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:52.800 aren't there. I mean, I don't need to be hard 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.080 on them, but I don't need to mistreat them. I 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.400 don't need to nail them to the cross because I'm 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.720 being nailed to the cross at work. I'm being niled 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.760 to the cross in the large society. I need to 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:09.119 combat these problems where they exist. You know, I have 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.200 people call me all the time. Man, I'm having a 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.639 problem to work. Okay, well let's let's take a hit on. 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:15.480 But I don't know if I really should say anything. 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.520 Why are you calling me? You know, you know if 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.439 we don't, because otherwise you're going to internalize it. And 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.439 I think too many of us do that. I get it. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.280 It's hard the day to day. Folks are struggling trying 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.000 to make ends meet. There are no living wages, so 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.280 that's part of it. Two, it's hard to mobilize people 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.120 when folks are just struggling to get bad in here. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.760 I come here, come that Mark Thompson, that Daniel Moody. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.679 Trying to get us mobilized. Do something. We got to 0:17:40.680 --> 0:17:42.119 go to work. We ain't got time for none of this. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:45.400 So this is what's important. So the minimum you can do, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:51.480 broken record again, is vote and take seriously every election, 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.719 including where if you live in a community where they 0:17:56.760 --> 0:18:01.520 still have an elected school board urgent. So we got lazy. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:04.280 We elect first black president, and we figured that's that's 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.040 all the vote we need to do. Vote for the president, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.040 don't vote for nothing else, and that the risk don't matter. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.600 Big mistake. School board, local elections, mayor city account If 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.159 the mayor controls the school system, you like that mayor up, 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.879 you hold that mayor accountable. That's the very least we 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.679 can do. Besides, I was on a zoom just the 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.080 other night with some folks dealing in education and fighting 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:31.560 this backlash year against CRT. I remember when we were 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:36.480 in the fight, Danielle back in the early nineties for 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.440 African centered curriculum, and in that battle it got to 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.320 water down to multicultural curricular You probably remember some of 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.960 those terms, y'all, and then we end up with nothing. 0:18:47.000 --> 0:18:49.440 But the difference then was that people were mobilized, People 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.640 were showing up the school board meetings, people were engaged. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:56.000 We must get back to that, because it starts fundamentally 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.120 there at the education level, it continues in the voting booth, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.840 and then even in the seasons we aren't voting, we 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.480 need to continue to mobilize, organize, be in the streets, 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.560 call out the corporate powers, the businesses that are supporting 0:19:10.119 --> 0:19:14.000 racism and white supremacy. Stop and I'm gonna say this, 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:17.480 and I'm talking too much. This is important for us 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.000 as African Americans, as you know, really as Africans around 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:24.119 the world, as black people. Disinformation is targeting us more 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.920 than any other group of people. What Danielle is telling 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:29.040 us today, what the New York Times is telling us, 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.160 is that they are using their social media to mobilize 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.400 the civil war. Yes, but social media is being used 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.720 to divide us, Yes, to turn us and gets one another. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.879 Boycott the woman king. Don't vote for Stacey Abrams because 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.240 she don't do nothing for black men. That's not real, 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.080 that's not organic, that's not a natural thing coming out 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:55.200 of our community. These are hired hitt accounts, if not bots, 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.280 that have infiltrated our community. Y'all. Remember when I nobody 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.600 gonna notice. Rememberhen everybody's a clubhouse, all we own Clubhouse. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.080 Every night on Clubhouse, say has several rooms where they 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:10.520 were debating Africans versus African Americans. Why why was that 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:13.800 going on? Who was instigating that that was purposely to 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:17.240 divide us? Why should we boycott the woman king? Why 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:21.200 should we not support reparations? Why are people telling black 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.320 men not to vote? Stay sabers sharing another thing for 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:26.320 black men? What's Brian Kempt doing for black men? Come on, see, 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.520 I'm supped to show you the opposite of what social 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:32.520 media is doing to our community. It's dividing us and 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.359 keeping us confused while it's being helped and the social 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:39.639 media executives, the owners of it are promoting it. They're 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.920 using it to mobilize to have this dog on civil war. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.560 It's no secret that the news is horsepill hard to swallow. Thankfully, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:52.520 there's The Bituation Room podcast hosted by comedian and commentator 0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.560 Francesca free Er and Tini for a lighter take on 0:20:55.600 --> 0:20:58.600 the heavy stuff. Each week, the Bituation Room brings you 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.040 progressive comedians, sperts, and activists to break down the issues 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:04.320 in a way that won't just leave you crying under 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:08.800 a weighted blanket. Get the bituation room on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:16.000 and streaming on YouTube and Twitch. You know that it 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:20.240 marked my goodness because I have not been thinking about 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:24.680 the ways in which you know, so I think I'm 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.800 thinking about this now. I'm thinking about the fact that 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:34.119 when BLM, when we were protesting in the summer of 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:38.400 twenty twenty, you got the FBI and the CIA scouring 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:44.960 through our chat room, scouring through our social media sites. Right, 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.919 flag here, flag there, they rounded up like over a 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:55.520 thousand people across this country that we're protesting the murder 0:21:55.840 --> 0:22:03.320 in broad frigging daylight of George Floyd. Three thousand percent 0:22:03.560 --> 0:22:07.359 is up where the FBI and the CIA, Where where 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:09.960 they pull in, where they pull in these people out 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.639 from their computer, out from behind their computers and putting 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:18.000 up flags and saying that this is terrorists organism, Like 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.399 this is terrorists organizing, This is this, that and the 0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:24.120 other thing. Where are the bustins on this? And this 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.560 is where I say that this is how people begin 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.320 to lose faith and hope because when you start to 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:34.480 see the ways in which our community, the black community, 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:45.000 is continually broken down, discombobulated, misinformed on purpose so that 0:22:45.040 --> 0:22:48.040 we can't organize for the sake of our power, our 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:53.840 collective power to seek justice. But then these mfers over 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:57.560 here are organizing to overthrow a government, to kill members 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.879 of the FBI, members of their own goddamn part. And 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.760 it's just like, oh, it's just a locker room talk 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:08.399 that's happening right now. We don't use January sixth and 0:23:08.560 --> 0:23:10.840 saying that that was the dress rehearsal, which is what 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:15.040 every black person said on that day, that this is 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:19.040 just the dress rehearsal. So Mark, like, if the city, like, 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:21.120 we tell people, and because this is what I want 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.560 to get to, we tell people, and I tell people, 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:27.760 you gotta vote, You got to show up and vote. 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:31.360 You not voting is essentially voting for the opposition. You're 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:36.400 not voting is essentially voting for your own oppression. However, 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:40.240 I also recognize that we are operating inside of systems 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:43.200 that we're not built for us. That we're operating. We're 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:46.880 talking about right now, where is where are our city 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:51.600 our national security agencies in terms of protecting us from 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:55.520 domestic terrorism that is on the rise that they see. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.119 So how do you tell people to go ahead and 0:23:59.320 --> 0:24:03.720 vote and and vote into a system that we just 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.639 have said, by virtue of the few examples that we've given, 0:24:07.240 --> 0:24:13.040 ain't about us. Yeah, that's a good point, and it 0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:16.960 is difficult. It is it is hard to motivate. But 0:24:17.240 --> 0:24:23.360 this is going to take some level of attrition. The 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:28.240 more we vote for progressive candidates up and coming, eventually 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:32.240 this generation that we're up against is going to die out. 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.720 And that includes even the safe Democrats, even the Merrick 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.080 Garlands who clearly can't walk and choo gun at the 0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:41.800 same time. You know, he found written. Now, let's be honest, 0:24:41.840 --> 0:24:44.359 we can take credit for what we can take credit for. 0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:49.520 There was the public outcry for him to do something, 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.680 and it got to the point where the law would 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:57.320 not allow him to continue to ignore Donald Trump's crimes. 0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:01.000 But are we only going to focus on an insurrection 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.280 January sixth, or we're gonna focus on an ongoing insurrection 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:06.960 when we have the evidence that it exists. New York 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:10.480 Times has it? Then Mary Garland ought to have even 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:13.679 more information, and I get it. Uh, well, you know, 0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:15.960 we don't want to do anything to affect the election. Well, 0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.679 what day is election? What day is election? They November? 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:24.439 What whatever it is? The next morning and nine am, 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:26.919 their need to their needs to be some type of 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:33.080 accountability for those who are instigating an ongoing insurrection and 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:38.560 ongoing civil war. Who they're gonna wage the warm Do 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.760 we think that they're gonna take on the US military. No, 0:25:41.840 --> 0:25:45.520 they're gonna come for us back. The man came in 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:49.119 the Buffalo grocery store looking for black Yep, they're gonna 0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:52.440 take it out on brown people. All people of color 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:55.360 are gonna take it out on women because women are 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:59.080 standing up for their bodily autonomy. So, folks, I know 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:02.880 it seems bleak. We keep saying vote, but it's not. 0:26:04.119 --> 0:26:09.240 It's not just voting, it's voting consistently, and it's voting 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:12.639 down ballot. And we've just not done that. We've not 0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:15.239 been good at that. We've never even tried it. So 0:26:15.280 --> 0:26:17.000 we can't say it's not gonna work because we haven't 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:21.920 really done it. It has to become second nature voting, 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:27.800