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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live, presented by called lighta health.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into a Friday edition of One Bill's Lives. Steve

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Speaker 2: Tasker joined by Josh Reed, news director of Channel four

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Speaker 2: here in Buffalo, filling in for Brownie, who's taken a

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Speaker 2: week uh to recharge his batteries. We're all recharging our

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Speaker 2: batteries after after a long night of going over the

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Speaker 2: DJ more trade. It's been talked about all over everywhere,

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Speaker 2: so I'm getting you're you're gathering all the information. You're

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Speaker 2: getting both right, great, great deal. The Bill's got a

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Speaker 2: guy that can play, got a proven guy, guy that

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Speaker 2: can plug and play. You're not gonna have to wait

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Speaker 2: on a draft pick to get acclimated. All that stuff.

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Speaker 2: To the other side of it, they overpaid, he's done.

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Speaker 2: He's eight year veteran, he's gonna be twenty nine. He's

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Speaker 2: washed up. He had a down year last year. That's

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Speaker 2: the player he is now. All of that stuff, I

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Speaker 2: think when you average all of it out of all

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Speaker 2: the opinions of the national guys, the football players I've

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Speaker 2: taught heard, you know, the football player broadcasters now and

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Speaker 2: the analyst guys who are broadcasters. Everybody's like it's kind

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Speaker 2: of a big shoulder shrug saying, now, okay, I get it,

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Speaker 2: I get the deal. Let's see how it works out.

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Speaker 3: And somewhere in the middle lies the tree. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: typically right exactly, you got one side that overreacts in

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Speaker 3: one direction and the other side that overreacts a little

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Speaker 3: bit in the other direction, and then the middle ground

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Speaker 3: is probably where we should all end up before the

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Speaker 3: season starts and we actually get to see this guy on.

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Speaker 2: The Everybody has reasons for their opinions. The positive people

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Speaker 2: will say, listen, the guy's been productive. He's averaged one

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Speaker 2: thousand yards a year for eight years. He's got over

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Speaker 2: eight thousand yards, and he's been the league eight years.

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Speaker 2: He had a down year last year in an offense

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Speaker 2: that had two young or two or three young receivers emerge.

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Speaker 2: His target share went down, and you know, there he was,

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Speaker 2: you know, having the year he had still showed up

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Speaker 2: every week and his targets went down, so his production

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Speaker 2: went down, but he can still play. The Bears say, listen,

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Speaker 2: we got these two other kids that are emerging. He's

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Speaker 2: making all this money. Let's go with them, save the

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Speaker 2: money and spend it someplace where we don't have two

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Speaker 2: young guys that are really doing it, So both sides

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Speaker 2: of the coin. He may be washed. I kind of

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Speaker 2: doubt it, but he may be right. He may be

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Speaker 2: a guy who's was disgruntled in Chicago and didn't like

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Speaker 2: it and whatever whatever. I don't know though.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, we had a couple of guests on

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Speaker 3: yesterday talking about him very favorably.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure. You know.

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Speaker 3: One of the guys was the Bill's sideline reporter, and

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Speaker 3: he's down there on the Sorry Bear's sideline reporter, and

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Speaker 3: he's down there every game with him. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: sees him up close to the arsenal all season long

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Speaker 3: and for the last few seasons. And it's interesting because

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Speaker 3: right now the puzzle pieces aren't all in place when

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Speaker 3: it comes to wide receivers and free agency and the

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Speaker 3: trades and stuff like that, because we're going to see

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Speaker 3: Alec Pierce probably get a huge number. So in order

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Speaker 3: to add that kind of player, that playmaker on the

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Speaker 3: outside that's going to come in and instantly be able

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Speaker 3: to make some splash plays in the offense, they were

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Speaker 3: going to have to give up something, whether it was

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Speaker 3: huge financial or whether it was you know, a high

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Speaker 2: We were talking about just before we came on the air.

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Speaker 2: The market is Steep a wide receiver, and we're talking

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Speaker 2: about their reports are about AJ Brown and A J.

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Speaker 2: Brown was I got hey, you send him to Buffalo

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Speaker 2: and we kind of poop pooed because of, you know,

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Speaker 2: the personality that A. J. Brown is. It might be

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Speaker 2: going back to the Steph Diggs days where everybody had to,

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Speaker 2: you know, walk on eggshells, or at least the media

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Speaker 2: thought they were having to walk on eggshells around Steph.

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Speaker 2: And it was a it was a diva the whole

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Speaker 2: kind of thing. That's what AJ Brown would have been.

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Speaker 2: But that guy is a big time X one, number

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Speaker 2: one ride receiver, the whole thing. We find out that

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Speaker 2: New England is interested in AJ Brown and two ones

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Speaker 3: They offered a one and a third, you know, according

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Speaker 3: to the national reports, and Howie Roseman for the Eagles, said, no, thanks,

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Speaker 3: that's not that's not going to be enough. That is

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Speaker 3: That's a I mean, so that gives you that starts

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Speaker 3: to give you a sense of what these high end

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Speaker 3: trade market, you know, or you know, trading pieces in

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Speaker 3: the draft or trading players and you know, absorbing money.

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Speaker 3: Because AJ Brown can still play. I think DJ Moore

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Speaker 3: can still play. It's just a matter of what are

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Speaker 3: not taking on maybe as much money, or taking on

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Speaker 3: the money and not giving as much draft capital up.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, AJ Brown, You're not taking

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Speaker 3: as much money in. But if you have to give

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Speaker 3: up a one and a three, that's a steep price.

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Speaker 3: I'd rather take on the money because it's not my money.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you take on them. Yeah, the money doesn't

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Speaker 2: Fans don't have to write the checks, right, So you

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Speaker 2: figure out, figure out the cap and keep all these guys.

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Speaker 2: They're thinking that, you know, people thought that DJ Moore

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Speaker 2: costs too much. A number of a sixtieth pick overall

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Speaker 2: bother me. The money's big. But if he played, if listen,

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Speaker 2: if he comes out and has his average year, not

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Speaker 2: a great year for him, eight years, what his average is,

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Speaker 2: what will it look like? It's seventy six catches, oney

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Speaker 3: You take that every day, every day, every day, every

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Speaker 2: He would have been the leading receiver on the Bills

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Speaker 2: team last year by a wide margin.

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Speaker 3: And you have to wonder, you know, when you see

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Speaker 3: they were in the game on DJ Moore a little bit, right,

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Speaker 3: and because they have that's a team with a lot

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Speaker 3: So you wonder if you know there's there's there's a

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Speaker 2: You you know, you think about it, You sit back

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Speaker 2: and you think about it. It's like you're that's right.

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Speaker 2: The Bills probably weren't the only people calling up about DJ.

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Speaker 3: Sure, of course not. The guy can play.

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Speaker 2: And here's what I hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 3: The other piece of this is and I know that

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Speaker 3: could have just cut him because of the financials part

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Speaker 3: of this. Here's the thing. That doesn't mean he's just

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Speaker 3: going to go to the Bills. He becomes a free agent,

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Speaker 3: he can pick any of the other thirty one teams.

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Speaker 2: We we got. Something just came across the timeline. Now.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy Fowler from ESPN says that the Buffalo Bills are

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Speaker 2: going to release Taron Johnson after eight seasons. Johnson started

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Speaker 2: eighty seven games for Buffalo, became an All Pro in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and Taron Johnson, as being reported, has

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Speaker 2: been going to be released by the Buffalo Bills. That

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Speaker 2: I think is an absolute shocker. He's one of the

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Speaker 2: top handful of nickel corn in the league. He's been

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Speaker 2: a part of the culture here for his entire career.

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Speaker 2: Was a surprise player who got inserted early. Is right,

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Speaker 2: right in the start of his career. And now the

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Speaker 2: Bills are going to release Tarn Johnson. That's man, think man.

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Speaker 2: Times changed fast.

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Speaker 3: I'm not shocked by this move. Well, look, Tarren was

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Speaker 3: such a big piece of everything that's been done over

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Speaker 3: But his fit you just wondered how he fit because

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Speaker 3: Sean McDermott ran the base defense of a nickel right,

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Speaker 3: that was their primary base defense. They needed Taron Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Jim Leonard comes in and the defensive scheme flips upside down. Now,

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Speaker 3: so you wondered to give you an idea of how

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Speaker 3: you wondered where he'd fit. Immediately when Jim Leonard takes over,

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Speaker 3: the thought was, well, maybe Arran can play safety. Well,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's really good in the slot. He can

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Speaker 3: play nickel. Let's let's go and throw him at safety.

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Speaker 3: That's that's probably not the right solution. So but look,

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Speaker 3: Taron Johnson one of the great guys in the locker

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Speaker 3: anytime you needed to speak to Terran Johnson, he was

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Speaker 3: always availed, sure and he played through it. That guy,

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Speaker 3: pound for pound, he's one of the toughest guys on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's his cap hit would have been eleven point

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Speaker 2: four this year. They're only gonna save about three three

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Speaker 2: made a total of guys almost forty one million dollars

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Speaker 2: with the bills over the course of his career. Bless

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Speaker 2: his heart, man, the guy he made to me when

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Speaker 2: when I was doing the games in in the COVID

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Speaker 2: Everybody's like, go down, go down. He brings it out

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Speaker 2: and about ten yards into that return, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: front of him Tredavious White, and that play to me,

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Speaker 2: absolutely blew my mind. That was the biggest, most timely,

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Speaker 2: It's one of the all time tremendous plays. I'll never

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Speaker 2: forget it. I it was I tied to laugh and

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Speaker 2: tell people is the greatest accomplishment of my life. Being

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Speaker 2: able to shut up so Murph could make the call.

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Speaker 2: I want. I wanted to scream and jump up and

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to be quiet, so Murph could make the

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Speaker 2: radio call, and you know it would be gets one

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Speaker 2: of those great calls. Unbelievable that Taron Johnson for this

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Speaker 2: team to say goodbye to him. Yeah, there's some fundamental

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Speaker 3: I think, yeah that you know, it's just got it's

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Speaker 3: time comes for everybody, right And Terren's twenty nine years old.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly when he turns thirty. I don't

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Speaker 3: But he's twenty nine right now. And when you look

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Speaker 3: at his durability, there was a chunk of seasons from

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty to twenty twenty three where he played in

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Speaker 3: every game, so he was very available. Here's the problem, though,

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, he played twelve games last season

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Speaker 3: he played thirteen games. He plays such a physical brand

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Speaker 3: and he is not afraid to stick his nose in it.

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Speaker 3: It's he turns thirty before the season starts.

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Speaker 3: that's two different skill sets, well way different skill sets.

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Speaker 2: He will get a lot of attention, a lot of attention.

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Speaker 3: But I like that. I like this route though. To me,

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Speaker 3: And clearly he doesn't, And that's fine. You move on

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Speaker 3: If you wonder what type of you know, just personally

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Speaker 2: Right, well liked, and he's gonna he's going to land

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Speaker 3: Like the point that you bring up with you make

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Speaker 3: Well, they want to coach these guys' strengths and if

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Speaker 2: And like I said, he's supposed to make eleven million

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Speaker 2: happened in the league. This trade stuff is tacking. It

432
00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: sounds like the Raiders are going to release Geno Smith

433
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: quarterback after just one year. Also, they're still in the

434
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: neck deep in what sounds like accepting phone calls for

435
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: Max Crosby to trade him. Crosby's been was unhappy of

436
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: getting shut down last year. He thought the team gave

437
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: up and tanked. He wasn't up for it and said,

438
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: I'm not doing it, and I'm in fact I'm not

439
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: only am I not up to it, I'm not playing

440
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: for you ever again. So now the Raiders they're going

441
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 2: they don't want to they don't want to trade him,

442
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 2: and so they're not going to give him up for nothing.

443
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 2: Two teams that are interested are the Dallas cat Well,

444
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 2: everybody's interested, sure, but the two teams that are now

445
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: are kind of sitting sitting there and saying, let us

446
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: know what the offer is, because we'll match it or

447
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: better it. Baltimore Ravens, Dallas Cowboys in the in the

448
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 2: running for Max Crosby.

449
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: You think the Raiders sat back and watched how the

450
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson thing played out in Cincinnati and went, well,

451
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 3: let's get out ahead of this, get something back for him, Yeah,

452
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: right before we run the string out on this, just

453
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: because what happens.

454
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: Invariably is the player goes I say it all the time,

455
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 2: and maybe I repeat it too much. It hurts to

456
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: play ball. It's really painful. You know you're gonna get hurt,

457
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,199
Speaker 2: and in fact, you may get hurt bad enough to

458
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 2: end it all for you, or you know your career

459
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 2: is over, or you're done for the year or a

460
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 2: year and a half, a season and a half. So

461
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: these guys, invariably it happens like what Trey Hendrickson did.

462
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 2: He played a couple of times, a few games, He

463
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: played only enough to stale is going and get his paycheck,

464
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: and he's called it quits. Raiders don't want to do

465
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 2: that with Max Crosby. They don't want to go through

466
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: that and then lose him anyway. Just to make a point,

467
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: Max Crosby he knows which side of you know, he

468
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: knows the business side of this game. If he gets

469
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 2: in there and says, listen, I don't want to go

470
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: in there and get beat up for four quarters for

471
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: this team that's not going anywhere that I don't want

472
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: to play for just for the money. So I'm gonna

473
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: do the minimum to get the money. I'm gonna hang

474
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: in there. I'm gonna come to work every day and

475
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna play, and I'm gonna get my fifteen

476
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: whatever million dollars it is. And the Raiders don't want

477
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: to do that, no, So just trade him, get what

478
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 2: you can get for him, put him out to the

479
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: highest bidder, which is what they're doing, and go ahead

480
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 2: and move on.

481
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 3: And you're in the flushing. You're flushing it right now. Anyways,

482
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 3: You're you're starting fresh because as you mentioned, Gino Smith's gone,

483
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 3: They're gonna draft number one. They got the number one

484
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: draft pick. They're taking Mendoz Mendoza, the quarterback out of Indiana.

485
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: That's right.

486
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: And you were at the combine. I was at the combine.

487
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what. Anybody that was asked about

488
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: Fernando Mendoza just had glowing responses. Normally, even if it's

489
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: off the record, you can get one or two people

490
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: that will give you the I just don't know if

491
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: he's got what it takes. I just don't. Everybody that

492
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: you talked to was just no, I'm telling you what.

493
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: This guy's a leading.

494
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. You go all the way back to

495
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 2: even when Peyton Manning came out and he was had

496
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: a stellar career, Tenness stuck around at Tennessee, did his

497
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: extra year, wanted to play, wanted to experience college football

498
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: just because he knows that sooner later he's gonna play

499
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 2: pro football. Anyway, just had nothing, but you know, his interviews,

500
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 2: but even Peyton was like his arm is not you know,

501
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a rocket arm. And this this guy,

502
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 2: Ryan Leaf has got all the physical tools and yeah,

503
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: that's and that's you know, that's the two sides of

504
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: the coin right there, and why one side either side

505
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: could make it right. So, I mean Josh was like

506
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: on the on the the Josh, Josh was on the

507
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: wrong side of the coin when you came when he

508
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: came out, he was all physical tools and and couldn't

509
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: throw it right. Also, another we got another thing coming

510
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 2: over the line. Now it's been reported by Adam Schefter

511
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: that Curtis Samuel is going to be released by the

512
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills as well. We just talked about Taron Johnson

513
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: being released. Now Curtis Samuel will be released. That saves

514
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: the Bills about six million dollars on the cap.

515
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: Some money slowly coming in now. Yeah, we talked about it.

516
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: It's happening throughout the week. We're like, at some point

517
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: we're gonna start seeing these moves where they can get

518
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 3: closer and close to becoming cap company.

519
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of the stuff that's going on with

520
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: you know, with the receiver room, was there frustration at

521
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 2: getting these guys out there and having them on the field.

522
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,959
Speaker 2: Josh Palmer was a Samuel was a part of that.

523
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: He played six games last season. Right, you can't, Yeah,

524
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 3: like you got to be able to rely on a

525
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: guy to stay healthy.

526
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 2: That's right, And it's not their fault, no, of course not,

527
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: but some guys seem to be able to do that.

528
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

529
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: And Keon was a healthy scratch for a lot of them.

530
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 2: Mikole Hardman couldn't didn't stay on the field when he

531
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 2: got healthy or when he got here. They lost Shave

532
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 2: Shaver's plate all the time because he was there and

533
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: then he blew his ACL out of playoff game. Jalen

534
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: Virgil was just on the roster. He's a draft picked

535
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: you just kind of hanging out. He's practice squad, So

536
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: there's nobody out there that they could count on week

537
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: to week to week. Palmer and Samuel really kind of

538
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: the two culpers that couldn't stay on the field. It

539
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: was pretty frustrating.

540
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: Well, the wide receiver room was taking shape now right, Yeah,

541
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: the DJ Moore in, Curtis Samuel out, and we're gonna

542
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: probably see a little bit more movement in that position group,

543
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: I would think.

544
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker, Josh Reid here, we're gonna take a break,

545
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: come back and pick up a little bit of your

546
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: tweets from yesterday about the free agent you like to keep,

547
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: and also some of your reaction to the DJ Moore

548
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,719
Speaker 2: trade and the Teraron Johnson release and the Curtis Samuel leave.

549
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker Josh Reid here on One Bill's Live presented

550
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: by Calida Health, will be right back. Welcome back to

551
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, Steve task with Josh Reid in for

552
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: Brownie this week and finishing things up. We got a

553
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: couple of releases by the Fuck the Football Team today.

554
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: Tarren Johnson nickel Back has been released, and so has

555
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: occurred to Samuel been released by the bills, total savings.

556
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 3: Of about what we say eight about eight.

557
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: Just around in the neighborhood of eight million dollars off

558
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: the cap. Now the bills as of yesterday, because of

559
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: the DJ More trade, we're twenty six million bucks over

560
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: because of the More trade and because he goes right

561
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: on the books right, so that.

562
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: You know we're changed, they're getting closer change. Yeah, and

563
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: we were going to a couple of restructures down.

564
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 2: They can restructure anybody they want, and you know with

565
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: Josh Dion, Ed Dawson Knox, Greg Russo and Josh Palmer,

566
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: they can restructure any of those guys. They wander any

567
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: multitude of those guys and save way more than they

568
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: they needed to. So we'll see what they do in

569
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 2: order to technically get under the cap. But the DJ

570
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: More trade, you know, obviously bumped him up almost twenty

571
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: five million dollars.

572
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: Now, we'll see when the league year starts what they're

573
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: able to do with some of those numbers with DJ Moore,

574
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: because I think there's a way they can manipulate that

575
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 3: contract and save a lot on the cap. So yes,

576
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: they can do that with his they'll do. Yeah, they'll do.

577
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 3: They'll make themselves some wiggle room there as well. Now,

578
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 3: the Curtis Samuel thing. Two years in Buffalo, and when

579
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: they brought him in, I thought this, this might work

580
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: like this, you know, you little creativity with this guy,

581
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 3: move him around a little bit. Like it just never

582
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: got off the ground. It just he couldn't stay on

583
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: the field, stay on the field.

584
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: Two seasons, Yeah, that was a problem.

585
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: He only had two touchdowns.

586
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: He last year.

587
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: He looked a little slower. You know, you never know

588
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 3: what's going on inside of a guy's head, and I'm

589
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: not going to pretend to, but there were just times

590
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 3: being around the facility and the practices and stuff, he

591
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: seemed I don't know if disconnected is the right word,

592
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: but and I would think that injuries would do that

593
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: to you, you know what I mean, just kind of

594
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: you're fighting through it and you're trying to get on

595
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: the field and you're trying to do right by your teammates.

596
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: But it just seemed like he he never had that

597
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: spark that you want to see from a guy that

598
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: you need.

599
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he showed up in that. He showed

600
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: up in the Chiefs playoff, game last year and caught

601
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns. He had been absent. That's why

602
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: you know they went out and got Amari Cooper last

603
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 2: year midseason because Samuel was you couldn't depend on him.

604
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 2: Needed a guy when he was healthy.

605
00:31:59,200 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: He seemed to be.

606
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did seem to be that guy was I

607
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: see why they gave him the contract.

608
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: But I mean he didn't even have three hundred and

609
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: fifty yards receiving in two seasons. I mean that when

610
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: you sign him two years ago, you think that that's

611
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 3: probably half of a year. That's right, right, You're thinking,

612
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 3: I got to be able to get seven hundred yards

613
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: out of this game.

614
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: We've been talking about that a lot. And I said,

615
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: you know this DJ Moore deal, his average season for

616
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: his eight this is all eight years combined, his average

617
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: would be seventy six receptions for one thy twenty six

618
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: yards and five touchdowns. The Bills did not get that.

619
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Speaker 2: They didn't get that from anybody. They didn't get that

620
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: from anybody last year, not Khalil Shakir, not Kincaid, nobody.

621
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Speaker 2: It would be awesome if you have a guy come

622
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: in and do that. That's what you thought. Curtis Samuel

623
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 2: could give.

624
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: That's what I met. I guess I met Curtis Samuel.

625
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: They didn't get that out of Curtis.

626
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: He didn't get it. They didn't get that out of anybody.

627
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: So that's what they're looking for now. Certainly with Josh

628
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: he can He's shown the ability to, like, listen, if

629
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: we're missing a guy for a week or two, we're fine,

630
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: we'll make do. And they did it for two He

631
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: won the MVP after losing a number one and not

632
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: having a number one, he won the MVP. He got

633
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: him to the championship game not having a number one.

634
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: But better good players make you better, and when you

635
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: have your good players and they're available, that's a big deal.

636
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: It makes a big difference.

637
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: When Curtis Samuel was out of the lineup due to injuries.

638
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: There was never an outcome of a game where I

639
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 3: thought Curtis Samuel would have been the difference. Not one

640
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: game there was just wasn't. I mean, he just never

641
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: showed that to be able to be that well.

642
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 2: We never saw enough of him to know what difference

643
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: he could make. The game he had was the Chiefs

644
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: playoff game where they lost and he had two touchdowns

645
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: in it. So it's really, you know, that's why this

646
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: is art not science. You know, you can't. Numbers will

647
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: tell you where you should you know the road you

648
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Speaker 2: should go down, but sometimes what roads washed out? You know,

649
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Speaker 2: you just you can't proceed. It's we'll see that this

650
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Speaker 2: is something we got to We're going to monitor. Curtis

651
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Speaker 2: Samuel and Taron Johnson now no longer part of the

652
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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. Let's go. Let's go take a quick look

653
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Speaker 2: at the Friday fan mail bag for today. People have

654
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: tweeted us questions and comments, talking points that they want

655
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Speaker 2: to hear us address from Jacob and he says, at

656
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Speaker 2: what point would you trade a future first round picks

657
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Speaker 2: multiple first round picks to try help secure a Super

658
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: Bowl victory, to stockpile talent, take advantage of Josh Allen

659
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: being in his prime versus what the value is of

660
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Speaker 2: a first round pick like three years from now, like

661
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: three years as far out as you can go. So

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Speaker 2: here's and I get it. I would trade multiple firsts

663
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: for guys along the lines of a Max Crosby or

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett or maybe a Saquon Barkley two years ago.

665
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: You know, when the when the Giants were letting him go. Uh,

666
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: not that you had to because he was I think

667
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: they released him. So he's a free agent. But yeah,

668
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: one of those, one of those guys. Multiple first for

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Speaker 2: a Josh Allen of course, Mahomes of course, Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Of course you'd give up multiple first rounds for those guys.

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Speaker 3: But the list isn't long.

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Speaker 2: It's a short list, short list. Plus, no GM is

673
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Speaker 2: going to trade Josh Allen for whatever you give it. Yeah,

674
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: you can't trade. You could trade your entire roster and

675
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: every draft pick available to you, and the GM is

676
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Speaker 2: not gonna give you.

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Speaker 3: Josh Allen's not answering the phone. That phone. That phone

678
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Speaker 3: call is not getting taken.

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Speaker 2: No, because as soon as he says yes, he's fired.

680
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: So and I get it. People, and we use all

681
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 2: these cliches, Push all your chips to the middle of

682
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 2: the table, swing for the fence, pick the analogy you want,

683
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: go all in. You can do that, and this year

684
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 2: it's easy to do and we did it a bunch,

685
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: Brownie and eye. That's exactly what the Indianapolis Colts did

686
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: this year when they got off to an eight and

687
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: one start with Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor in the backfield,

688
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: killing it offensively. They went out and said, you know,

689
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: one thing we need. The only thing we need is

690
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: to lock down corner and our defense is gonna be gold.

691
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: We're gonna go. So they trade this year's first a couple.

692
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what it was. It was an a

693
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 2: bunch of stuff for Sauce Gardner. Sauce comes in, plays

694
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: two games. Second game he's playing in blues, his acl

695
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones breaks his leg, then tries to play through

696
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: it blows his achilles ship sinks. You're eight. You're nine

697
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: and eight out of the playoffs, and you pushed all

698
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: your stuff to the middle of the table, and now

699
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: you have nothing to build on because you traded all

700
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: your draft picks and you got two stars that are

701
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 2: coming off major injuries.

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Speaker 3: The beauty of where the Bills are when you look

703
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 3: at the landscape around the NFL, is they're always always

704
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: going to be late in the season, right in the

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00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: playoff push. They're always going to be so right before

706
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Speaker 3: the trade deadline every year. They're always going to be

707
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 3: a buyer. They're never going to be a seller. So

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Speaker 3: I always try to remind you know different you know,

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Speaker 3: Bills fans and stuff, and that just because it's the

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00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 3: roster going into training camp doesn't mean that if they

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Speaker 3: get off to a ten and one start, ten and

712
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: two start, that they don't go, you know what we're

713
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: missing to get us really over the hump is player X.

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Speaker 3: And then you get that late into the season. You

715
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Speaker 3: look around in the league and you can go, Okay,

716
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: that team's out of it already. We can get that

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00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: guy for a little bit less than we would have

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Speaker 3: got him before the season started, right right, that number

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Speaker 3: one pick. Then all of a sudden, and next year's

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Speaker 3: draft can get you an elite player because the team's

721
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Speaker 3: already seen the you know, the rudder come off, and

722
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: it's over for them in their season. And that's when

723
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: you can go out and get a big time playmate.

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Speaker 2: Right you got you're trying to get better at the deadline.

725
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Speaker 2: You're not trying to just set yourself up for future

726
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: sce not this team, right, not this team From Henry,

727
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: he says, my initial reaction from everyone is the Bills

728
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: overpaid with a second rounder for DJ Moore. I don't

729
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: see how else the Bills could have acquired such a

730
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Speaker 2: talented player for much less than a second round pick

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Speaker 2: last year. And I remember this last year, the Bills

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Speaker 2: wanted Jalen Waddle from Miami and a first, and it

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Speaker 2: would have cost a first, and the Bills actually offered it,

734
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Speaker 2: and they said, no, I think a second round is

735
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: too much for DJ Moore. Then it doesn't sound like

736
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Speaker 2: too much. So you look back and here's the year

737
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 2: Waddle had in Miami. He had sixty four receptions for

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Speaker 2: nine and ten yards six tds. That's less than the average.

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Speaker 3: Season. Yeah, the DJ Moore.

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Speaker 2: Should have could have has had for his eight year career.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you value that, because when you

742
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Speaker 2: trade your you know, past performance doesn't guarantee future results,

743
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: but it does give you an idea of what you

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00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 2: can expect. And you know, Jalen Waddle for a one

745
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 2: plus whoever it was they were asking for. You get

746
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Speaker 2: DJ Moore for a second, and you pay the guy

747
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Speaker 2: you'd had to pay Waddle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely would have had to pay Waddle.

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Speaker 2: I'm I get that analogy, and I'm kind of on

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00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: board with it. I'm on board with it. I yeah,

751
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle great player, no question about and he's younger,

752
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: but uh man, oh man, that's he's twenty seven. I

753
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: guess he's a year younger. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And the other thing that you know, we it's a

755
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: second round pick, but what are the Bills pick every year?

756
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Speaker 3: You keep in mind it's six sixty, so I mean

757
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: you're real close to the third round at this point,

758
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean When dealing these picks. It's

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Speaker 3: not like it's the thirty fourth pick overall in the

760
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 3: second round. That's a big difference. And they're still going

761
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Speaker 3: to be able to maneuver and possibly get that second

762
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Speaker 3: rounder back depending on what they want to do. If

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Speaker 3: they want to try to trade back into the second round,

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Speaker 3: they've got some pieces and maybe that's a player and

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Speaker 3: a pick to try to get recoup that second rounder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I'm the maneuvering I when when you

767
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: lose a sixtieth pick and you don't pick again, we'll

768
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Speaker 2: see what was it? When do they pick against ninety

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Speaker 2: something something? Yeah? I think it is. Uh, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what it is. The Bills pick six twenty sixth

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Speaker 2: ninety first one, twenty six, so you're gonna sit until

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Speaker 2: ninety first pick third day.

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Speaker 3: And Brandon and Middlely doesn't like to sit. Yeah, he

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00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 3: admits it obsess like I have to have people sitting

775
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: next to me that I trust that'll tell me that, hey,

776
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: calm down a little bit before we do anything too crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I just don't feel like the

778
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: maneuvering's done yet. It might be, I don't think so.

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Speaker 2: From Jim on the tweets sheet, do you believe the

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00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: Bills in Frowns one and two draft for need or

781
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 2: draft the best available player? I believe they draft for need.

782
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 2: This is Jim talking. This is part of the achilles

783
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: heel of the Bills in the first two rounds that

784
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: they draft for need instead of just getting the best

785
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: player available. It's a good point. It's the if you

786
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Speaker 2: draft the best player available, you're usually not disappointed with

787
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: his performance. You're disappointed, usually with the reaction of people

788
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Speaker 2: going and why did you take another tight end?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: Why did you take a running back? What are you

791
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 2: kidding me? You know you're taking a quarterback? You know

792
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. You know, why are you doing that?

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Speaker 3: I always take it with a grain of salt when

794
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 3: any general manager says we're gonna take the best player available,

795
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: because part of the equation you still have to draft

796
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: for need. It has to be a part of the equation.

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00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: They're not going to draft a left tackle right if

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00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 3: by far the best player on the board is a

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Speaker 3: left tackle, Guess what the Bills are not gonna draft.

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Speaker 3: They're not gonna draft a left tackle. They've got Dion Dawkins.

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00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 3: They're not gonna draft a running back if that's the

802
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Speaker 3: by far the best player available, because they have James Cook.

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Speaker 2: There's ways around this. We'll talk to this after the break,

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker, Josh We're gonna take a break right here.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna come back and continue to talk about your

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00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: tweets and your questions. Here on a Friday, Steve Tasker,

807
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: Josh Reed, and one Bills Live were presented by Calida Hill.

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Speaker 4: Stay with us.

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Speaker 2: Walking back to one of billse Lives, Steve Tasker, along

810
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Speaker 2: with Josh Reed, stalk talking about the releases. Arren Johnson's

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Speaker 2: been released by the Buffalo Bills and also Curtis Samuel's

812
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: been released by the Buffalo Bills, clearing up about eight

813
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space. Later on in the show,

814
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Speaker 2: we're gonna have Ralph Vacchiano on with the Ralph is

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Speaker 2: with Fox Sports. That's correct. I didn't want to get

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Speaker 2: that wrong. We were talking just a minute ago about

817
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Speaker 2: the draft and we had the guy tweet at us about,

818
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: you know, the Bills draft for need instead of drafting

819
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: the best pell Air available. Here's one caveat to the

820
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: whole draft process. If you're gonna get the best player,

821
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Speaker 2: be best player battle, that's cool. It's a hard choice

822
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Speaker 2: to make, though, when you've got a guy sitting on

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Speaker 2: your board as a twenty two year old or twenty

824
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: one year old, who you think, in very short order,

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00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: if not the moment you've signed his name, is going

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Speaker 2: to be better than the guys at that position.

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Speaker 3: On your team, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a he may not be the best player

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00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: left on the table, but that guy right there is

830
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: better than anybody at playing that position on your team already.

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Speaker 2: So that's easy to say, you know what, just take

832
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: the guy, we get better right away, and it's not

833
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: that much of a roll of the dice, and I'm

834
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: not stacking a position where I don't need another player.

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Speaker 3: And then money becomes part of the equation, because if

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Speaker 3: it's a veteran guy who you think you can upgrade

837
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Speaker 3: from and the veteran guy's getting twenty million dollars and

838
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: you're like, well, it's probably an upgrade to draft this

839
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Speaker 3: guy to beat our veteran out. That's right, and then

840
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: maybe move off the money find a trade partner to

841
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 3: take your veteran off your hands.

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Speaker 2: That's the one caveat I have to all that drafting

843
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: for need drafting the best player. If the guy on

844
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Speaker 2: the board isn't the best player on the board, but

845
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Speaker 2: he is better than anybody you got on your team

846
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Speaker 2: at that spot, or at least in short order you

847
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: think he's going to be, that's hard to pass that

848
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 2: up if you feel like that's a hole in your

849
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: roster or a weakness on your roster. Joseph on the

850
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: tweet sheet. Likelihood they trade down to get more picks

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Speaker 2: after trading way second rounder question mark, Would the Jets

852
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: consider a big move with extra picks or do they

853
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: go all in and move up. I think this is

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00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: a question about the Jets, is what you think the

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00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: Jets move in to get an extra pick. Let me

856
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: look at the total the overall order here of the Jets.

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Speaker 3: While you're doing that. The likelihood that they trade down

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Speaker 3: to get more picks after trading away the second round.

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Speaker 3: That was one of the things that yesterday when I

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Speaker 3: left here and after the show was over and I'm

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Speaker 3: driving back to the station, I thought, you know what,

862
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 3: we all know that Brandon Bean loves a draft day trade.

863
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: You know we've seen it multiple times where he'll trade

864
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 3: up or he'll trade back. I think that this does

865
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 3: give them the spot where they can trade out of

866
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 3: the first round try to get some more draft picks,

867
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: because the thought is the sweet spot right now in

868
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: the draft are the middle rounds.

869
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: Here's the thing I get. It makes perfect except that

870
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: this they just don't need need any of that. They

871
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: don't need extra picks. They got nine one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

872
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 2: They got eleven picks now and the top four are

873
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 2: inside the top forty five. They've got four picks in

874
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 2: the first forty four picks they got number two, sixteen,

875
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 2: thirty three and forty four. They ain't gonna need no

876
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: more picks. If they can't hit it on my with that,

877
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: they don't deserve to draft.

878
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm reading the question because it's a little it's no offense,

879
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: it's a little clunky. I think what they're asking is,

880
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 3: would the because the Jets have those extra picks, would

881
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: they be willing to make a deal with the Bills

882
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: for the Bills to get aggressive and possibly move up.

883
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: I think, what are the Bills gonna give the Jet?

884
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 3: I don't know that, Like that's they don't need drafting,

885
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 3: they don't need draft picks.

886
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: And you think, well, do you think the Jets covet.

887
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: Any of the bills roster? Probably not, not anybody that

888
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: the Bills are willing to give up.

889
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: Now they could, they could throw Bresee Hole at the

890
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: Bills and take James Cook. James Cook is now cheap.

891
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 2: He's averaging eleven and a half a year, that, which

892
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: is like, I can't believe that's a bargain. Right, He's

893
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: the leading rusher in the league. He's making half of

894
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 2: what those other dudes are making. He's it's just awesome.

895
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: And they gave him what he wanted, right, I mean

896
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: it's like he was happy, yeah, and why it would be,

897
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: And he's right to be. He's right to be. And

898
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: I think the Bills knew that and they it was perfect.

899
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff. You're gonna do that now. I'm

900
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: not trading James Cook for your what for your what

901
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: was it? What I say that the second sixteenth pick? No,

902
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I don't think so.

903
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 3: And to be honest us with you, I don't think

904
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 3: the Jets would make that move, right, I mean you're probably.

905
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: See here's the thing. If the Jets are interested in

906
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: moving around, do you know they ain't talking to the Bills. No,

907
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: they're they're talking to they're talking to Seattle, or they're

908
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: talking to Washington. You know they're talking to an NFC

909
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: team Carolina definitely not.

910
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: And look, if the inner division trades are I mean not,

911
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: they're not impossible. But we have proof from last year.

912
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 3: Jalen Wattle. We just talked about it.

913
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 2: We offered more than anybody else off right, And guess.

914
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 3: They said, I can't guarantee it, but I'd be willing

915
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 3: to put a dollar or two on it that if

916
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: the Bills called the Dolphins and the Bills were in

917
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: the NFC East, that trade may happen. If the Bills

918
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 3: aren't sitting there in the division, the Dolphins probably swinging

919
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 3: that trade.

920
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: That's right.

921
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: They don't want to have to face Jalen Wattle twice.

922
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 2: A year, that's right. Plus you know, big chip on

923
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 2: our shoulder. Yeah, oh that's true. Yeah, these are great questions,

924
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: and it's true. This moving around is true. If a

925
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 2: team like the Jets, We're gonna move around. They ain't.

926
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: They're not even picking up the phone to talk to

927
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean. So nice idea for them.

928
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 3: But I think I do think that there's more than

929
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: a slight likelihood that Brandon Bean moves around to get

930
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 3: more draft capital back.

931
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: Well, it's yeah, probably will, he probably will. All right,

932
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: we'll talk more about this at the top of the hour.

933
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: Ralph Facchiano from Fox Sports is gonna be on with

934
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 2: us in the top of the hour. Stay with us

935
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker Josh Reed on One Bills Live presented by

936
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: Clidahelp will be right back.

937
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:22,879
Speaker 1: This One Bill's Live presented by Callalia Health.

938
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 2: Welcome back to One Bill's Lives Steve task along with

939
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 2: Josh Reed in studio here in Orchard Park. We're pleased

940
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: to be joined now by Fox Sports NFL reporter Ralph Faquiano,

941
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 2: who does some mock drafts, also has some rundowns on

942
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 2: what each one signing he would like to see each

943
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: team make. He also has some opinions about what's going

944
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 2: on around in the landscape. Probably also about the releases

945
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills this morning. If he's indeed heard

946
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 2: about him, we just heard about him ourselves. Ralph Fachiana, Ralph,

947
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on, Thanks for joining us. You're doing

948
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: okay today?

949
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: I am, thank you. How are you guys doing.

950
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: We're doing good. We're still digesting the DJ Moore trade.

951
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 2: Certainly there are bigger name receivers out there, like AJ

952
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: Brown and the like Alec Pierce, the whole nine yards,

953
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 2: But DJ Moore the thing that stands out about him,

954
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 2: He's been a consistent producer. He averages a thousand yards

955
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: a year and about seventy catches a year. Had it

956
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 2: down yere this last year as the Chicago team changed

957
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 2: a little bit under Ben Johnson. What are your thoughts

958
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: about the Bills getting Dj Moore? What it could mean

959
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 2: for this offense that's been pretty good without him.

960
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has been pretty good.

961
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 5: But honestly, every time I watch the Buffalo Bills and

962
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 5: see how good Josh Allen is, my feeling has been,

963
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 5: how much better could they be if they had a

964
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 5: real top number one receiver?

965
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: And you know, look, they're not easy to find.

966
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 5: You can't just go out and cheaply get an AJ

967
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 5: Brown or a Jamar Chase or somebody like that. So

968
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 5: I understand that, but I think that there's a huge

969
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 5: difference between those guys and what the Bills have had.

970
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 5: And if you get just find that one top guy

971
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: for Josh Allen to leave on, to lean on, who

972
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 5: you know can be a factor in every single game,

973
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 5: it's going to transform that offense to something that might

974
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 5: be unstoppable. Now, DJ Moore, I don't think at this

975
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 5: stage of his career necessarily gets him there, but it's

976
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 5: a lot closer than it was.

977
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: He's to me, he's far better.

978
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 5: Than any receiver that the Bills have had since probably

979
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 5: Stefan Diggs was in his prime. Certainly a guy that

980
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 5: you can rely on. I know he's getting a little

981
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 5: old and maybe not as explosive as he was, but

982
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 5: still pretty dangerous and pretty good. And you put him

983
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 5: with a quarterback like Josh Allen and you know they

984
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 5: can do a lot of damage. And you know he

985
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 5: comes cheaper, not a lot cheaper, but cheaper than AJ

986
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 5: Brown would would have come, you know, cheaper than you

987
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 5: would have had to pay a guy you know, you know,

988
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 5: he wasn't a free agent, but there was a guy

989
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 5: like Jamar Chase in free agency, you would have to

990
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 5: pay him a ton of money. Alec Pearce is going

991
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: to cost a ton of money.

992
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: You know.

993
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 5: DJ Moore is up there with the quality of He's

994
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 5: probably better to me than Alec Pierce. And you know,

995
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 5: the second round pick is high, but not unreasonable considering

996
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 5: where the.

997
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 1: Bills are, you know, as a Super Bowl contender.

998
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I want to follow up on that a

999
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 3: little bit, Ralph, because listening and hearing from the Bills

1000
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: fans around here, it's they they like the player, they

1001
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 3: don't love the trade what they had to give up

1002
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 3: to get them. You mentioned the sixtieth overall pick and

1003
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: all the money that they had to take on. Where

1004
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 3: do you land on the compensation the Bills had to

1005
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: give up to to land Dj more Like you said,

1006
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: these these top end receivers, they're not just lying around

1007
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: to just go grab out of the bargain bin.

1008
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's not an ideal price. Second round

1009
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 5: pick is high for a guy that pretty much everybody

1010
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 5: around the league knew that the Bears were going to

1011
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 5: move on from and taking on that contract was difficult

1012
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 5: to do. You know, certainly, there's there's other things that

1013
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 5: the Bills are going to need and they're going to

1014
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 5: need that cap room for But to me, despite what

1015
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 5: they often said, I know Brandon Bean has said he's

1016
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 5: happy with the receivers, and so was Sean McDermott, and

1017
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 5: I get all that, but nobody else was happy with

1018
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 5: those receivers. We all could see they needed a number

1019
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 5: one receiver, so they had to go out and do it.

1020
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 5: And this was simply the cost. There's a big drop

1021
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 5: off on the market of guys who were available after

1022
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 5: Dj Moore. There was a big gap to the next

1023
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 5: level above him. It was going to cost a first

1024
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 5: round pick and probably more I think to get AJ

1025
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 5: Brown and that wouldn't have been worth it, and DJ

1026
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 5: Moore you get a.

1027
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: Very productive guy. The cost is high.

1028
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 5: But if they weren't on the verge, I mean, they're

1029
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 5: on the verge of a Super Bowl, and they know

1030
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 5: I know they weren't in the AFC Championship Game, but

1031
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,760
Speaker 5: they are a team that is really one step away

1032
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 5: talent wise contender. Every year the window might be closing.

1033
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 5: Sometimes you have to overpay a little to put yourself

1034
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 5: over the top. And if he's the guy that gets

1035
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 5: into the Super Bowl, no one's going to care about

1036
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 5: that second round pick.

1037
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too because Alec Pierre you compared him

1038
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,479
Speaker 2: to Alex Pearce. He said DJ Moore is a better

1039
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 2: player than Alex Pierce. I didn't know if I didn't

1040
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: know if I agreed with you, But you're right. You

1041
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: look back at their even their numbers throughout the course

1042
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: of their career. Pierce has never had fifty receptions. And

1043
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: here's a guy in DJ Moore who's had ninety receptions

1044
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: four times almost four times in his career and eighty

1045
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,479
Speaker 2: seven another time a fourth time in his career, three

1046
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: ninety catch seasons and an eighty seven catch season. This

1047
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 2: last year was fifty catches, which was still more than

1048
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: Alex Pierce in his best year. It's hard to understand,

1049
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 2: but yeah, DJ Moore might be a better player, although

1050
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: he's made what three years three or four years old,

1051
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: three years older? So the price is what it is, right.

1052
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And look, I like Alec Pierce a lot.

1053
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,879
Speaker 5: And you mentioned that the story that we wrote on

1054
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 5: ideal free agents for the Buffalo Bill is the first

1055
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 5: guy I put in there was Alec Pierce. I quickly

1056
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 5: changed that after they got DJ Moore, but I wanted

1057
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 5: them to get that number one receiver. I think Alec

1058
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 5: Pierce could be that guy. But as a free agent,

1059
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 5: he's going to have a lot of bidders and the

1060
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 5: money was going to be up in the DJ Moore

1061
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 5: range at least, I think, and DJ Moore is proven

1062
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: that he can handle a bigger load, that he can

1063
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 5: put up better stats. You're basing Alec Pierce on potential

1064
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 5: on the fact that he's younger. Again, I believe he

1065
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 5: can get there, but more you know can get there.

1066
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 5: He has gotten there, and he's been consistent about getting there,

1067
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 5: So you know they're getting a guy that they know

1068
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 5: they can do it, as opposed to a guy they're

1069
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 5: pretty sure could do it given the opportunity.

1070
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: Ralph, you have a story up on foxsports dot Com

1071
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: and you run down the ideal free agent signing for

1072
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 3: every single team. You just mentioned that there you switched

1073
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 3: it from Alec Pierce, but you went now with edge

1074
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 3: rusher Bradley Chubb. Why do you think he would be

1075
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: a good fit for Jim Leonards defense?

1076
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 5: And by the way, I should tell you I've actually

1077
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 5: switched that a couple of times because Orige I had

1078
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 5: Romeo Dudes of Green Bay and thought that he would

1079
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 5: be a good, low priced guy who could be a

1080
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 5: number one receiver. Then Alec Pierce wasn't gonna sign with

1081
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 5: the Colts, I put him in, and then I switched

1082
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 5: to an edge rusher. I do think that the Buffalo

1083
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 5: Bills need to upgrade their edge rush packet. I'm assuming

1084
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 5: that Joey Bosa is not coming back. They don't have

1085
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 5: other than Rousseau at what seven sacks last season. They

1086
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 5: don't have that other guy, that dominant guy who can

1087
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 5: get you ten sacks, who could take some of the

1088
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 5: pressure off. The more that they have this there's still

1089
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 5: a really good defense. The more that they have that,

1090
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 5: the more they can disrupt the opposing quarterback, the better.

1091
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 5: And I think they know it. The draft might be

1092
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 5: the better place to get an.

1093
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: Edge rusher this year.

1094
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 5: The free agent market is kind of thin, but I

1095
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 5: think that Bradley Chubb is a guy who is still

1096
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 5: working his way back to his market value, which means

1097
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 5: to me he's not going to be necessarily a guy

1098
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 5: who's going to get twenty million a year or something

1099
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 5: like a top edge rusher might get. He's a year

1100
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 5: removed now from his torn ACL he had a really

1101
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 5: strong season last year I think was eight and a

1102
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: half sacks. So he's starting to show that he could

1103
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 5: still be that guy. He proved he was healthy and

1104
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 5: maybe there's an upside and maybe the Bills can get

1105
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 5: him a little bit less expensive deal because he wants

1106
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 5: to prove himself to get that big contract a year

1107
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 5: down the line, and that kind of to me is

1108
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 5: what makes him the fit. He also is productive, He's

1109
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: proven to be productive, and again, the free agent market

1110
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 5: isn't necessarily overflowing with guys. People lock up their pass

1111
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 5: rushers nowadays for long periods of time. Maybe they could

1112
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 5: trade for a guy and Cavin Dibbodeaux of the Giants

1113
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 5: might be available, but even at the price is high,

1114
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 5: they don't give him away. So if you can get

1115
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 5: someone at a reasonable rate, who can you know, can

1116
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 5: get you seven, eight, nine sacks, you know, that would

1117
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 5: really be a boost for the Bills defense.

1118
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's and that's really the reason. Like, like

1119
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: Leonard Floyd is out there, He's been in Buffalo once before,

1120
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 2: had a very productive Sea's. The last guy to get

1121
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 2: double digit sacks for the Buffalo Bills was when he

1122
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: was here for a year and twenty twenty three. I

1123
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: think it was. Also Jalen Phillips is out there as well,

1124
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 2: and really, you're your thought is those guys might be better,

1125
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 2: but the price is gonna be out of line, out

1126
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 2: of whack with with where they would get a guy

1127
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 2: like Bradley Chubb. Correct, Yeah, I do think.

1128
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 5: I mean I do like Jalen Phillips a lot. I

1129
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 5: think he thought about him with the Bills as well.

1130
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,959
Speaker 5: There's a possibility that he signs a shorter term deal

1131
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 5: to try to jumpstart his just kind of kick his

1132
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 5: value in a little higher for next year. He didn't

1133
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 5: have a huge season with the Eagles, but he fit

1134
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 5: really well with them and had a lot of pressures

1135
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 5: and you know my senses, he's probably more likely to

1136
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 5: resign in Philadelphia, which is part of why I went

1137
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 5: with Chubb. But if not, Phillips is another guy who

1138
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 5: I think you could put in there. I think anybody

1139
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 5: who can get pressure on the quarterback and that you

1140
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:00,479
Speaker 5: don't have to give a one hundred milli million dollar

1141
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 5: contract to is the kind of guy. I think the

1142
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 5: Bills should look at it. If they can't find that, well,

1143
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 5: then you pretty much know what their first round pick

1144
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 5: in the draft is going to have to be.

1145
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 3: Right, A lot of Bills fans are gonna want to

1146
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 3: hear you talk about Trey Hendrickson. I think it's a

1147
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 3: pipe dream, but I'm going to tell you right now,

1148
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 3: there are Bills fans that are just refresh, refresh, refreshing

1149
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 3: their phone, refreshing their laptops, hoping to see, Hey, maybe

1150
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 3: Trey Hendrickson is a guy. I mean, because you want

1151
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 3: to talk about a swing for the fence, that's exactly

1152
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: what he would be. Could you handicap that for us

1153
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: a little bit? What are the odds of something that

1154
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: splashy happening?

1155
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: I wouldn't completely rule it out.

1156
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 5: I don't think the Bills are necessarily going to dive

1157
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 5: that deeply into the high end, but I'm kind of

1158
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 5: interested to see what Hendrickson's market value is going to be.

1159
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 5: Clearly he wants to get paid. I don't know for

1160
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 5: sure that the money is going to be out there

1161
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 5: that he wants. He might be a guy who's got

1162
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 5: to settle for a big one year deal. With the

1163
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 5: hopes that he got a big season and then break

1164
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 5: the bank a year later. But you know, he just

1165
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 5: he's a guy considered for the Bills. I do think

1166
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 5: he's probably going to end up out of their price

1167
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 5: range if they want to spend that kind of money, though,

1168
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 5: if they can find the cap room, that would be

1169
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 5: that's the swing for the fence. I mean, he's the

1170
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 5: best one out there, I think. I just think there's

1171
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 5: going to be so many bidders for him in the end,

1172
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 5: and even if it's a shorter term deal, the price

1173
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 5: is just going.

1174
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: To be too high.

1175
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's really what it comes down to. You

1176
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: get a guy like Bradley Chubb or a guy like

1177
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 2: Trey Hendrickson. We've seen Brandon Bean do this a lot,

1178
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 2: sign guys to a one year deal. He did this

1179
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 2: last year with Joey Bosa, and Bosa had as productive

1180
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: a year as he's had and played all seventeen games

1181
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: or sixteen of the seventeen games, which is something that

1182
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: was the real question mark when they signed Joey Bosa.

1183
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 2: That's really what it comes down to, probably, right, because

1184
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: even if you pay the guy a lot of money,

1185
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 2: it does it's not a dead cap hit, you're not

1186
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 2: going to have to carry any contract forward, and you

1187
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 2: get the guy trying his best to maximize his value, right.

1188
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 5: And when we're talking about a one year contract, we're

1189
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 5: not necessarily talking about, you know, one year twenty million dollars.

1190
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 5: You could have a three year contract that's designed so

1191
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 5: you can get out in the one year and that

1192
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 5: can actually spread the cap hit over a little bit

1193
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 5: and make it easier for a team to absorb. But

1194
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 5: it becomes about affordability, you know, one way or another,

1195
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 5: there's going to be a decent chunk taken out of

1196
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 5: the bills cap hit in that first year. And I

1197
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,040
Speaker 5: don't know what their upgated cap situation is after the

1198
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 5: dj Moore trade and what exactly they.

1199
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:41,959
Speaker 1: Had to you know, absorb there.

1200
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 5: But I didn't get the sense from looking at over

1201
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 5: the cap in places like that that they were going

1202
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 5: to have a lot of cap room to spend money.

1203
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 1: So, you know, you add in a dj Moore who's.

1204
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 5: Pretty pricey, and then you want to add in Hendrickson too,

1205
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 5: that could be a little difficult for them. But until

1206
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 5: we know his market, which again I still think probably

1207
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,000
Speaker 5: less than he wants, but higher than you know, most

1208
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 5: of the past rushers out there. Until we know for

1209
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 5: sure what his market is, I can't rule the Bills out,

1210
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 5: but they can't. I don't think they're going to be

1211
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 5: the team that gives him if he can get that

1212
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 5: big deal that he's looking for that pays him twenty

1213
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 5: twenty five million over the next four years, I don't

1214
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 5: think that's what the Bills are looking to do right.

1215
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 3: One of the names that jumped out on the list

1216
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 3: that you had was Connor McGovern. You said that you

1217
01:03:25,240 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: believe that he'd be the perfect fit for the Houston Texans.

1218
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 3: Of course, he and David Edwards both free agents, both

1219
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: interior lineman here in Buffalo. Which one do you think

1220
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 3: the Bills have a better shot at bringing back into

1221
01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 3: the fold or do you think maybe both or both

1222
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: maybe are gone.

1223
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 5: I would think that probably they I mean they probably

1224
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 5: have a shot at both.

1225
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that either one of them are going

1226
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: to be huge, huge free agents.

1227
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 5: Probably my best guess would be one or the other

1228
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 5: would be who they would bring back. I don't know

1229
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 5: which is their preference. Obviously, whoever they like go, they're

1230
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 5: going to have to replace, which certainly isn't easy, and

1231
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 5: maybe that's in the draft. Maybe that's you know, I

1232
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 5: don't know what if they've got somebody on their roster

1233
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 5: that they think can step in, but you know, they're

1234
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 5: going to need to fill up that interior line if

1235
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 5: they lose those two guys. I would think that they

1236
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 5: bring one of them back. My think thinking looking at

1237
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 5: the market, is that McGovern might be the priority. You know,

1238
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 5: centers are a little harder to find in general, but

1239
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 5: you know, certainly guys can convert to that if necessary,

1240
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 5: So he's probably I guess I shouldn't say this definitively,

1241
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,480
Speaker 5: but I would think he'd probably be the guy they

1242
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 5: would look to retain. Maybe maybe a little bit more

1243
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 5: affordable as well. It's hard to say exactly what the

1244
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 5: market would be, but getting both of them might be

1245
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 5: a tough haul for them, especially with their other needs,

1246
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 5: but bringing one back, I think it's something they could do.

1247
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: One of the things that happens this time of year

1248
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: last year was Miles Garrett and being disgruntled in Cleveland,

1249
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: and everybody when Miles Garrett's name comes there, you know,

1250
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: the antenna go up. Everybody's got a chance at Miles

1251
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: Garrett now right now, it's Max Crosby. He's disgruntled. It

1252
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like he's gonna play for the Raider. Doesn't

1253
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: want to play for the Raiders. Now, that's what That's

1254
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 2: what Miles Garrett said too. That's what Trey Hendrickson said.

1255
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: He wanted to get paid. And Trey Hendrickson kind of

1256
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 2: raked the the Bengals over the coals. He didn't play much.

1257
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: He only did enough to stay eligible, right, eligible, right.

1258
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,120
Speaker 2: The Raiders don't want to do that with Max Crosby,

1259
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 2: and it looks like they may listen to offers. What

1260
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on how that may play out in

1261
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: Las Vegas, certainly after there's been reports that Dallas and

1262
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 2: Baltimore are hovering around the Raiders facility, you know, the facility,

1263
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, kind of ostensibly telling him whatever you get offered,

1264
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 2: run it bias because we might better it. What are

1265
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: your thoughts about Max Crosby and how certainly the Raiders

1266
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 2: would love to have the guy, but if he's not happy,

1267
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 2: you kind of don't want that hanging around.

1268
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 5: Neither exactly, And I, honestly I felt the same way

1269
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 5: about Trey Hendrickson that you know, when your team when

1270
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 5: you've got a guy who's seemingly miserable and unhappy, and

1271
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 5: you've got really almost wherever you are in your development,

1272
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 5: whether you're a team that thinks that can win the

1273
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 5: Super Bowl, the Bengals certainly, you know, when Joe Burrow

1274
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 5: was healthy, was in that category. You don't want necessarily

1275
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 5: that negativity, but maybe you know you can if your

1276
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 5: team is doing well, you can get a player can

1277
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 5: become a little happier if you give him a little

1278
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 5: bit of money.

1279
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: So maybe that could have worked out.

1280
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 5: But for the Raiders, when you are a team that's

1281
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 5: really starting from scratch, I think the last thing you

1282
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:42,479
Speaker 5: want in there is a veteran who's absolutely miserable, who's

1283
01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 5: sort of I don't want to I don't mean to

1284
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 5: be negative about Max Crosby, but he carries with him

1285
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Speaker 5: the negative vibes of the bad Raider years right, he

1286
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 5: was there for the stink part of it. He wants out,

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01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 5: he wants something better. You don't necessarily want that around

1288
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 5: your locker room. And also, so you know, let's face it,

1289
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 5: if the Raiders aren't one year away from winning or

1290
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 5: two years away from winning, they're probably starting over with

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01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback, probably three years away from really being competitive.

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01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 5: So at this point, you know, what does Max Crosby

1293
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 5: and that cost do for you? Why not trade him

1294
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 5: away and see what draft picks you can get and

1295
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 5: really accelerate your rebuilding process. You're not going to find

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01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 5: another Max Crosby, but you might end up getting with

1297
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 5: the cap room you get, with the draft picks you get,

1298
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 5: you might end up getting three four players at some

1299
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 5: point to help rebuild your team, and that could be

1300
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 5: more valuable in the long run. So if I were them,

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01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 5: I would I would maximize what they could get, do

1302
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 5: the right thing by him, Let him go someplace where

1303
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 5: he could be, you know, happy, and play for a contender,

1304
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 5: because that's just not going to happen in Las Vegas.

1305
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 5: And I think there's enough interest out there where they

1306
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 5: really could do that. Dallas is definitely a place that

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01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:56,200
Speaker 5: i'd watch for him. They need an impact defender after

1308
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 5: trading away Micah Parsons. There's a lot of places though,

1309
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 5: they could look to him, and they might end up

1310
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 5: you know, I get the sense that they're planning to

1311
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 5: get rid of him, and I also get the sense

1312
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 5: that there's a chance that they could get a bidding war,

1313
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 5: which would really be good for that franchise.

1314
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 3: One last one for me, Let's stick with the Raiders.

1315
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 3: They're a fun team to talk about, right So Gino Smith,

1316
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 3: he's on his way out because they're going to draft

1317
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 3: the young quarterback out of Indiana number one. Overall, what

1318
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 3: do you make of the quarterbacks right now that are

1319
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: kind of available around the league? You start looking at

1320
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 3: the Kyler Murray's of the world, and you know there

1321
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 3: was a transit Cousins, and there was a transition tag

1322
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 3: on Dan Jones, and just a couple of these kind

1323
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 3: of look to me, there are eight teams with quarterbacks

1324
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 3: that probably have a chance to win the Super Bowl

1325
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 3: every year, and then there's the other twenty four who

1326
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: are looking for answers. Right, but what do you make

1327
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 3: of this offseason and the quarterbacks? Maybe teams are looking

1328
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 3: for the next Sam Darnold. Hey you didn't get it

1329
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 3: done there, but we think we can fix you and

1330
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 3: you can get it done here.

1331
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: Well, Sam's changed everything.

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Speaker 5: When you think about it, is that just didn't really

1333
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 5: happen a lot in the league. You had your quarterback,

1334
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 5: you started him, and then for the most part of

1335
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 5: it didn't work out, you moved on. A lot of

1336
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 5: guys did not get a second chance to start someplace else.

1337
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 5: But now a lot of teams are looking for that

1338
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 5: Sam Darnold, that Daniel Jones, who can be what they

1339
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 5: were supposed to be in a new setting. And that's

1340
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,600
Speaker 5: what makes this kind of intriguing to me. When I

1341
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 5: look at the quarterbacks who are available, because none of

1342
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 5: them are a quarterback I would say, I want him.

1343
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: I can go to the super Bowl with him.

1344
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray to a Tunguel Bilo, Malik Willis. They're all

1345
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 5: intriguing talents. If I have the right coaching in the

1346
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 5: right system, I might be able to win with them.

1347
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: But none of them are.

1348
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 5: Sure fire guys. They're just the great hope that, hey,

1349
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 5: maybe maybe my coach can turn them into what they

1350
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 5: were supposed to be. The problem with quarterbacks is they're

1351
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 5: costly too, which is why you end up with, like,

1352
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 5: you know, the Jets paying thirty million dollars to justin fields,

1353
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,599
Speaker 5: because quarterbacks are going to cost you upwards of thirty

1354
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 5: million dollars forty million dollars, sometimes even more than that.

1355
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 5: So I'm intrigued to see what these guys get on

1356
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,480
Speaker 5: the market because none of them are sure fire solutions,

1357
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,480
Speaker 5: but all of them have talent, all of them are workable,

1358
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 5: and I think there's a lot of teams that look

1359
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 5: at them and think, boy, Kyler Murray, I could work

1360
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 5: with him and make him the next Sam Donald. And

1361
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:23,800
Speaker 5: maybe I could do the same with Malik Willis, even

1362
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 5: though he's had.

1363
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 1: What three starts over the last three years. You know,

1364
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 1: maybe even Tu as well.

1365
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 5: There's probably a couple of others out there that I'm

1366
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 5: forgetting off the top of my head. But it's an

1367
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 5: intriguing market. Somebody's gonna get lucky and find the next

1368
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 5: Sam Donald. But probably a couple of teams were also

1369
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 5: going to make an enormous mistake that's gonna end up with.

1370
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 1: A fired coach.

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Speaker 2: Ralph, thanks so much for joining us. Really appreciate it.

1372
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,919
Speaker 2: We'll see you down the road my pleasure, guys anytime.

1373
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,559
Speaker 2: Ralph Faciano, Fox Sports NFL reporter, joining us and giving

1374
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 2: us his thoughts. Yeah, that's where the quarterbacks land.

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that last was I mean, what a way to

1376
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 3: end it you Mike Drop when he was like, look,

1377
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 3: one team might find the next Sam Darnold and then

1378
01:11:07,479 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: the other ones aren't. They're gonna waste a lot of

1379
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,479
Speaker 3: money and the head coach is gonna get fired. That's right,

1380
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 3: and that's the way it works.

1381
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: That's that's the merry go round that we that we

1382
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: watch a year in year. Steve task Josh Reed, We're

1383
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: gonna take a break. Come back. I've got some more

1384
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 2: on the tweet sheet and some more of your questions

1385
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 2: we're gonna answer. This is one Bill's Live you're listening to,

1386
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 2: uh listening to us. I was gonna say, Buffalo Bill's Radio.

1387
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 2: We're not on the radio anymore. Uh, Steve Tasker, Josh Reed.

1388
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this. Stay with us. Welcome

1389
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: back to one of those lives. Steve Tatter, Josh Reed,

1390
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 2: with you here until the top of the hour. We

1391
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 2: just had Ralph facchtianimals Fox Sports NFL reporter on. I

1392
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 2: mentioned something during the course of our conversation about, you know,

1393
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 2: the Bill's interior offensive line Connor McGovern and David Edwards,

1394
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: in which one was more a port and he leaned

1395
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: towards the center. I always do that as well. I

1396
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: think the center is incredibly important because of what goes,

1397
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: because of the intangibles.

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01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 3: And it sounds like he's going to cost a little

1399
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 3: bit less maybe, right.

1400
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: Centers aren't market wise, centers are not as expensive because

1401
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:17,840
Speaker 2: the physicality, the physical thing they bring to it isn't

1402
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: as important as the mental thing. And so it's been

1403
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 2: my take. I thought, if there was a chance, McGovern

1404
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:27,760
Speaker 2: would probably be the one the Bills would continue to

1405
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 2: talk to and stay on board with. Not that David Edwards.

1406
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 2: They didn't want him, but David Edwards is at a

1407
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: spot that's just expensive. Yeah, But also there are guys

1408
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 2: you can plug in and replace, and if you've got

1409
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: a good enough tackle and a good enough center, they

1410
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 2: can help that guy, right. I mean, he's not out

1411
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 2: by himself anywhere. He's in the midst of it. So

1412
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: guards are a little bit easier to replace with a body. Now,

1413
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 2: certainly good ones are good, as the price tag will

1414
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 2: tell you, but there's a lot of them out there

1415
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: that are that are kind of placeholders. Centers. I don't

1416
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 2: think you've got any centers that are placeholders.

1417
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: And here's the up side the bills, both sides. The

1418
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 3: Bills did meet with Connor McGovern's people in Indy, so

1419
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 3: that door's that door's not closed. That door is still

1420
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,879
Speaker 3: open a potential return. And and and I would assume

1421
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: that that's also the case with David Edwards. But I mean,

1422
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 3: I think when it comes to Connor McGovern, I think

1423
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:31,920
Speaker 3: it's a matter of finding the right number that both people,

1424
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: both sides are comfortable with, and if they can get

1425
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 3: to that spot. I do think the Bills would like

1426
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,640
Speaker 3: to have him back. I know the Bills would like

1427
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: to have him back. Connor McGovern's a good place. Yeah,

1428
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 3: And Connor loved it here. He's he's been very happy here,

1429
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: I you know from by all his public statements and

1430
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 3: the guys I've heard talk to him, and there's buddies.

1431
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 3: It's been a great locker room to be a part of.

1432
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 3: Let's face it, right. So I think Connor McGovern's still

1433
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,000
Speaker 3: on the on the burner for the Bills, and they're

1434
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 3: probably still poking at that trying to find a number

1435
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 3: that both of them will say, yeah, okay, you know,

1436
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 3: I'm he may sign before free agency hits.

1437
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean for that kind of thing. But for me,

1438
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:09,519
Speaker 2: the center, most people don't get to do this, but

1439
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 2: when you're on the field, in the huddle and you

1440
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:15,400
Speaker 2: can come up, you break the huddle, you really don't

1441
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 2: get an idea of what happened. You hear the quarterback

1442
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:19,040
Speaker 2: because they got a mic on the quarterback, and you

1443
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 2: can kind of hear him, and everybody's quiet, But what

1444
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 2: you don't hear is the conversations to go down around

1445
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 2: the ball. The center is chirping at the guard on

1446
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 2: this side and the guard on that side, and the

1447
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 2: guard's chirping at the tackle outside of him, and the

1448
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 2: center back at the center, and the center's relaying that

1449
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: to the other side, and you know, there's a lot

1450
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 2: of chit chat going on in there. And humorously Dion

1451
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: got into that. And when he started making he told

1452
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: him about the noise that he started making, the noises

1453
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: that they make, you know, because when they play together

1454
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 2: so long, every group of offensive linemen in the NFL

1455
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 2: has a language all its own. They make it up.

1456
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 2: And so Dion, with his bird calls and his chirps

1457
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: and his noises say as much to David Edwards as

1458
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 2: Connor McGovern turning over there and says, we're gonna slide

1459
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:09,480
Speaker 2: right that the whole thing. So that kind of continuity

1460
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 2: really smooths a lot of problems over because even and

1461
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 2: you'll hear them guys talk about it. And when when

1462
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 2: everything goes, you know, when everything gets flushed and it's

1463
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 2: a it's chaos. They know each other so well they

1464
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: don't have to talk. And when the when it all

1465
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 2: comes apart, the guy's in the right spot because he knows,

1466
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: he knew, just you just know, because they spend hours

1467
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: talking about stuff. And the center, with his hand on

1468
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 2: the on the remote control of the film, runs it

1469
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 2: back and forth, back and forth, and you're all talking

1470
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: about what you're thinking in this moment, in this moment,

1471
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: what happens when you did this? And then then you

1472
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: go back and watch games that you've played in where

1473
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 2: you were clicking or where you were absolutely awful, and

1474
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 2: you go, well, I was thinking this, we were thinking that,

1475
01:15:57,800 --> 01:15:59,840
Speaker 2: well I was thinking this, and we're like, well, if

1476
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: you were thinking that, why did.

1477
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 3: You do this?

1478
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 2: He be gooes he made this call and Dad, and

1479
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 2: then you know, they go all the way through. So

1480
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 2: they they pull it apart, put it back together, break it,

1481
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 2: pull it apart again, put it back together so many times.

1482
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: And the centers at the at the as the mouthpiece of.

1483
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: All of that. There's a lot in that. Yeah, there

1484
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 3: was a conversation that was had at the combine and

1485
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,640
Speaker 3: I beg you, if you get a chance and you

1486
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 3: can find it on social media, you've got to check

1487
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: it out. It's it's incredible. So Pat Coogan is the

1488
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 3: starting center at Indiana, the team that just won the

1489
01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 3: national title. Pat Coogan gets up there at the podium

1490
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 3: at the Combine and a reporter asked him, when you

1491
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 3: break the huddle, can you kind of run down what

1492
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 3: you go through? It was in it was the best

1493
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 3: one minute of team. I mean, he says, I break

1494
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 3: the huddle. This is the first thing I look for.

1495
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 3: I look at the linebacker. I look at the defensive tack.

1496
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: I talked to this guard. I talked to that guard.

1497
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 3: We get down, I get over the ball. I mean

1498
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 3: he went down the checklist of I'm communicating with my quarterback.

1499
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,920
Speaker 3: I look back up. I see where the linebackers are. Now,

1500
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,320
Speaker 3: I look at the safeties. I look it was it was.

1501
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 3: It was just so good by the way Pat Coogan like,

1502
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a really good interior

1503
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 3: offensive lineman.

1504
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 2: Center.

1505
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: He was the Rose Bull MVP A center.

1506
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, was the Rose Bull MVP.

1507
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 3: Do you know how you know how good you have.

1508
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 2: To be as an offensive point and that's the level.

1509
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 2: And that's why I tell Brownie all the time. The

1510
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 2: smart guys are the ones who play a long time.

1511
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 2: You know those are the guy because they figure it out.

1512
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: And young players when they get into the league, they

1513
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: realize pretty quickly their athleticism got him in the door,

1514
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 2: but it's not going to set him apart at this level.

1515
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: And they got to figure it out what they're gonna

1516
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 2: do and what they have to what they have to

1517
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,680
Speaker 2: be able to do, and what they can really be

1518
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: good at. But sometimes it's two different things. And get

1519
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: you got to figure out your career how it's gonna work.

1520
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 2: And smart guys do that. And when you start getting them,

1521
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: getting these guys and what it takes to be really good.

1522
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: For a lot of them, it's between their ears.

1523
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:14,280
Speaker 3: Who's the smartest guy you played with Paul kent Hole, Yeah,

1524
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: that doesn't surprise me.

1525
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: Probably can't. Well, they I had a bunch. Thurman was there,

1526
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 2: Bruce was highly intelligent. There was a lot of really

1527
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: smart guys on our squad. Phil Hansen was a smart guy,

1528
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: Mark Kelso and those kind of guys figure it out.

1529
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 2: You know, they figure out that it's if you want

1530
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 2: to play, you're gonna have to do this.

1531
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, It's not just run fast well, especially at

1532
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 3: positions like that. And if you maybe maybe on a

1533
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 3: scale of one to ten, maybe your tools are only

1534
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 3: a seven. Yeah, but if your IQ or four. But

1535
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 3: if your IQ is a ten point five out of ten,

1536
01:18:58,800 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 3: like you said, you stay in the lead.

1537
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 2: A long time we had. I'll give you a couple

1538
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 2: of examples. There's a guy named Stanley Floyd forty years ago.

1539
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 2: This is when I was a rookie, a young player.

1540
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 2: He was one hundred meter champion at the Olympic level.

1541
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if he was an Olympic champion, but

1542
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 2: he was in he was an Olympic athlete kind of guy, sprinter.

1543
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 2: And they decided, and it happened every so often throughout

1544
01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:23,759
Speaker 2: my work track, guys that comemorver so I'm gonna play.

1545
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 2: So Stanley Floyd showed up at the Houston Oilers training

1546
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 2: camp in San Angelo, Texas, and he knew he was fast.

1547
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: Everybody knew he was fast. So every time we go

1548
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,919
Speaker 2: out and do one on ones on wide receiver DBS,

1549
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:46,679
Speaker 2: Stanley Floyd, Yeah, sure, he'd go nine route nine route

1550
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 2: nine route. Pretty soon the DB's are out there. They

1551
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:53,679
Speaker 2: got fifteen yard cushion on this guy, knowing he doesn't

1552
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 2: do anything else, so he never he didn't figure out

1553
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 2: that you don't need to show your speed. What you

1554
01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: need to do is show what else you can do.

1555
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 2: He never did. He never did, and he he didn't

1556
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,439
Speaker 2: work on anything else. He just said, listen, I'm gonna

1557
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,000
Speaker 2: go up. They know I'm going to show him. I'm

1558
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: going to take the lid off and I'm gonna get

1559
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: do that for him. And the problem was he you know,

1560
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: he didn't catch that many of them, and he never

1561
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 2: ran a different route.

1562
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's it comes in handy catching the

1563
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 3: ball as a wide receiver. For all you are then

1564
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: you're a track athlete, is what you right?

1565
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,040
Speaker 2: He didn't make the team. Yeah, I mean he's he

1566
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:39,880
Speaker 2: was like way faster than me. And you know, I

1567
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 2: hung out, I was around, I could cover kicks, I

1568
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: could you know, return kicks, I could run routes that

1569
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 2: you gotta figure it out and sent this center conversation

1570
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,160
Speaker 2: we're having right now is that's what it's all about.

1571
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: The center had not only has to figure it out.

1572
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: He's got to figure it out for the five guys

1573
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 2: up front and and be the brains and the communication stuff.

1574
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 2: That's why when when people we're talking about this Connor

1575
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: McGovern stuff, I got called in the off season by

1576
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 2: the national guys say which if they had to pick one,

1577
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 2: which one? I always said that it's going to be McGovern.

1578
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 2: I think because of that and his relationship with Josh

1579
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: and the fact, you know, yeah, the void, you don't

1580
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 2: want too many voices to change. And I think my

1581
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:23,479
Speaker 2: take is it's even reinforced now because the head coach's

1582
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,040
Speaker 2: voice is going to change, the offensive coordinator's voice is

1583
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,120
Speaker 2: going to change, so you're gonna have you don't want

1584
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,360
Speaker 2: another voice in the offense to change.

1585
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,960
Speaker 3: And Josh has had how many centers since he was

1586
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 3: drafted here?

1587
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 2: Well? Three? Mitch Morris wasn't his first center. It was Oh,

1588
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: I thought it was nineteen twenty eighteen. I can't remember.

1589
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 2: Maybe it was I thought it was Mitch Mitchell came

1590
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 2: in con No, Maybe I don't know. I can't remember

1591
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 2: that far back. Mitch because came in. Josh is the

1592
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 2: second he didn't play with he would here's the oh

1593
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 2: he didn't get Mitch's first year because Mitch was with

1594
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 2: Mahomes and Mahomes's first year is MVP. Mitch Morse was

1595
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: his center, and I think Josh was playing at that time,

1596
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 2: wasn't he. Yeah, so Mahomes' second year was Josh's first year. Mahomes'

1597
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: MVP year his first MVP year. I don't know if

1598
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 2: he has to do even but Mitch was his center. That's

1599
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 2: why the Bills got Mitch from Kansas City is in

1600
01:22:26,439 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 2: free agency, and so I think somebody else was Josh's center,

1601
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 2: and that because they'd lost Eric Wood and I can't

1602
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 2: remember who they got to replace him that year. I

1603
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 2: don't have to go back and look, but.

1604
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have.

1605
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if McGovern, if they make

1606
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 2: a strong play for McGovern.

1607
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's all it's going to come

1608
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 3: down to the number what the Bills can't afford, and

1609
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 3: I'm sure that I'm sure they'll push it to the

1610
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 3: boundaries of what they can afford.

1611
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they'll go to the limit, because.

1612
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 3: I mean, the comfortability is there with Josh Allen and

1613
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,680
Speaker 3: like you said, those five here's the other thing, the

1614
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: idea and the thought of potentially losing both those guys

1615
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 3: and having to replace forty percent of your offensive line.

1616
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 3: Now I know that Alec Anderson comes into play here.

1617
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,799
Speaker 2: Brown Granger has been around. He's a center by trade.

1618
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 2: He's he's a good player, and he kind of he

1619
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 2: has an enormously impressive college resume.

1620
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh, Russell Bowdne.

1621
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: Oh there you go, good call. Yeah, I pan Russell. Wow,

1622
01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 2: that's an I would never in a million years have

1623
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: gotten Russell Bowdine as a center for Josh and his

1624
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 2: rookie year. Wow. Well, there you go. That's who it was.

1625
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's important, and you know, I'm I'm all

1626
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: with it. I'm I would love to see him see

1627
01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 2: if they could make a certainly they've got a number

1628
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 2: in mind that they can afford.

1629
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,559
Speaker 3: I mean, he's their number one free agent already, right,

1630
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 3: wouldn't you.

1631
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 2: Think McGovern Yeah, pressed to find another.

1632
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 3: I mean, like, I get it, Milano, Heace if you

1633
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 3: can bring him back.

1634
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 2: But I mean you can get bring those guys back

1635
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:16,920
Speaker 2: for less money, of course.

1636
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 3: And with Trey it's also a rule thing because let's

1637
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 3: face it, Christian Benford ain't going anywhere, and Max Harrison

1638
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: ain't going anywhere. I mean, he was the first round

1639
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 3: pick last right here. So those guys. So it's a

1640
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 3: little bit about a rule, you know, would you be

1641
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 3: willing to accept it?

1642
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: I don't know. Right, all right, we'll take a break.

1643
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 2: We'll come back to wrap things up here at the

1644
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: till the top of the aar Steve Josh Reid on

1645
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live. Steve Tasker Josh Reid here to finish

1646
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 2: up the week here on One Bills Live. Jock, Thanks

1647
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 2: for coming in, man, it's been a great time.

1648
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:08,280
Speaker 3: Busy too. We had last two days with DJ Moore

1649
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 3: and tarn Johnson and Curtis Sam and we've had a

1650
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:12,639
Speaker 3: few things to talk about.

1651
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have. We've got everything going on because DJ

1652
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: Moore was traded for them. You know, we got a

1653
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:18,760
Speaker 2: tweet from a guy named Andrew. He says, what's your

1654
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 2: thoughts on the Bills bringing in sky More? Uh? And

1655
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 2: the sample fact that sky Moore hasn't started for anybody

1656
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 2: he's been with. He's not good enough. I don't think

1657
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 2: to bring in sky Moore is a fast guys. With

1658
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Kansas City's with San Francisco, he had a hard time

1659
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,240
Speaker 2: getting on the field in both those places. Even when

1660
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,040
Speaker 2: even when Kansas City's wide receiver room was you know,

1661
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 2: gutted by injury. He was just a guy. So I'm

1662
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 2: you know, uh yeah, fast guy runs good, but I

1663
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 2: don't know if he's good enough, well round or well

1664
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: rounded enough to be a difference maker in the Bills room.

1665
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: DJ Moore is different than that from Kevin. He says, well,

1666
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 2: we see a player for player trade by the Bills, definitely,

1667
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 2: maybe I doubt it. I doubt it. We may trade

1668
01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 2: a player for draft picks at this point. Now, I

1669
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 2: don't think we're going to get to the point where

1670
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,720
Speaker 2: it goes player for player. It's too hard to make

1671
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 2: the numbers work because unless if you see player for player,

1672
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 2: it's not going to be defender for a defender. It's

1673
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: going to be a nose tackle for a running back

1674
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,679
Speaker 2: or something like that. It's going to be some teams

1675
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: that are disparate and have much different needs and wants.

1676
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 3: And a lot of times you see that happen when

1677
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 3: there's a change in philosophy.

1678
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 2: Right like there is with the Bills.

1679
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 3: They're going through right now. And that's the reason Taron

1680
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 3: Johnson was released. There's just the scheme fit wasn't there

1681
01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 3: anymore for Terran. So that's where you see that a

1682
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 3: lot of times.

1683
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 2: Richard says, asks is does a player ever come into

1684
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 2: a team with plays he runs well and convinces the

1685
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 2: coach to implement them all the time? All the time?

1686
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:52,759
Speaker 2: In fact, coaches we'll see the guy on film running

1687
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 2: to play and they'll put it in their offense with

1688
01:26:54,280 --> 01:26:57,639
Speaker 2: for the guy. Even asks last yesterday's pretty humorous because

1689
01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,120
Speaker 2: Joe Brady got crushed for thrunning those wide receivers for

1690
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: screens all the time. So somebody pulls out DJ Moore's

1691
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: first catch as a Bear, no first catch as a

1692
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 2: pro against in Carolina.

1693
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 3: First catch, slip screen, slip.

1694
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 2: Screen, the white out. He goes the distance for a touchdown.

1695
01:27:15,640 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 2: It was his second game. He didn't catch any balls

1696
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 2: the first game. Second game, Joe Brad. I think Joe

1697
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 2: Brady's the offensive cordner. He throws a quick screen to

1698
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 2: DJ Moore. He gone, and some guy goes, oh, now

1699
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: I get it. So there's that.

1700
01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:32,840
Speaker 3: It's all about fah.

1701
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 2: That was a good I loved it. It was a

1702
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 2: great pickup by that guy. DJ Moore's first catch for

1703
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:41,759
Speaker 2: Carolina with Joe Brady was a wide receiver slip screen

1704
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 2: that he took the distance. Joe's been running him ever since.

1705
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 3: I mean, hey, let's he got that little taste there.

1706
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: That's good stuff. That's good stuff. So today here we go.

1707
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel gone from the Buffalo Bills. Taron Johnson released

1708
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: from the Buffalo Bills as well. The Bill's getting cap compliant.

1709
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:02,120
Speaker 2: That was going on, about million, about eight million dollars saved.

1710
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna there's gonna be more over the weekend. We're

1711
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 2: not gonna be around. I hope you have a great weekend.

1712
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:12,840
Speaker 2: We're yeah, I'm we're almost in complete full Sabers mode

1713
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 2: up here.

1714
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Sunday's gonna.

1715
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,599
Speaker 2: Be I'm at I'm at the game. I'm at Sunday's game. Uh,

1716
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay coming in. Let's go.

1717
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 4: That's good.

1718
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 3: Look, I mean they they're in fert here. We are

1719
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 3: in March. The Bills have a number one wide receiver

1720
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 3: and the Sabers are in first place. That's good, right,

1721
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 3: and it's Friday. I mean, what more could you ask?

1722
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 2: Good? Point by you?

1723
01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: Right?

1724
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,080
Speaker 2: Hard to picture. Maybe the sun will come out supposed

1725
01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 2: to be seventy degrees tomorrow too, we're gonna be rainy

1726
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 2: a little bit, but hey, you get what you get.

1727
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,760
Speaker 2: One name here, here we go. We were just talking

1728
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,640
Speaker 2: about this, so we had the connormra governent conversation. If

1729
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: they don't get it done with connorra goveran. Who's the

1730
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 2: guy guy from Carolina, Another Carolina guy. His name's Cad Mays.

1731
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,240
Speaker 2: He's twenty six years old, played center the last two

1732
01:28:58,280 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 2: years for Carolina. Six three, twenty five, huge guy, young,

1733
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 2: he's twenty six years old. Keep your eye on him.

1734
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:11,680
Speaker 2: He's a free agent. Got a chance that he may

1735
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 2: be he may be the next Connor McGovern If they

1736
01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 2: can't work it out.

1737
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 3: That's put him next to Osiris. That's some size, a

1738
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 3: lot of weight.

1739
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta stay big. We'll see. I got yeah,

1740
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:29,280
Speaker 2: we'll be all right. We'll be right. Have a great weekend, man,

1741
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:31,800
Speaker 2: thanks for tuning in. We're being home. Come back and

1742
01:29:31,880 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: come back and see us. We'll be here at one

1743
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 2: o'clock on Monday. Don't forget us. We're on the Bills

1744
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: app and also Spotify, Steve Tasker, Josh Reed.

1745
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 3: We'll see on Monday,