WEBVTT - New Evidence in Brittany Phillips Unsolved Murder 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:05.800 We recorded with Dr Maggie Zingingman in early January, and 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:09.039 from that short amount of time from when we recorded 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:14.040 to the release date of her episode, some developments have occurred. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:20.799 Maggie came across some new key information that I believe 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.439 needs to not only be discussed here, I think it 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:28.159 needs to be added to our existing knowledge of this 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:33.200 case for Brittany. It might go to time of death, 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.839 It might add a potential witness, It definitely adds a 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:44.280 place of interest. This additional information has got a specific location, 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:51.160 a specific day, and a specific time frame. Some people 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.880 may say, well, she shouldn't be talking about it, she 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.120 should wait. It might hurt the case. I don't know 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.000 how it would hurt the case to bring this out. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.440 Because it is bringing it out, we're gonna be able 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:06.119 to find out if somebody did a favor or ran 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.280 an errand for Brittany. This particular piece of evidence is 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:15.120 critical to put in the public to plead for somebody 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:27.280 to come forward. One thing that I know I inherited 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:32.000 from my mama is I love tom capsules, messages and 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:36.160 bottles and these letters that are sometimes lost for long 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:40.080 periods of time and then delivered. I remember there was 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:44.480 a letter that was written by a young soldier in 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:51.160 like nineteen forty five that was delivered to his with 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:57.600 a and it had been lost all that time. I 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:00.720 think it was a letter that he wrote to his mom, 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.720 and somehow the postal service came up with it. And 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:08.680 of course his mama was long gone. He was also deceased, 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:13.760 so his wife's who they delivered it to. And I 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:17.600 just love stories like that. Cold cases are a lot 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:22.000 like a time capsule. Everything stops when a crime happens. 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.000 The victim doesn't get any older, they don't go back 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:28.919 to work, they don't go back to school, they don't 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:34.799 contact family ever again. That foul is encased and preserved 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:40.960 and locked away, and sometimes it didn't open for years 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.840 or decades. And just like the long lost love letter 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.160 that gets delivered fifty years later, we have a letter 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.320 that was either mailed by Brittany or somebody mailed it 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.640 on her behalf. We've just learned about it, but we 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:02.960 know that changes the timeline. It adds a place, that 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:08.280 specific post office, It adds a person again, either Brittany 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:13.720 herself or somebody for her. Maggie has held this in 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:19.120 her hand like a time capsule. She's read it. She 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.959 stared at Brittney's handwriting. The memories have come flooding back 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:28.079 to her and the questions where did she get this envelope? 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.200 When did she write it? Where was she when she 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.520 wrote it, who mailed it? When did they mail it? 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:40.160 But it's put into play now tonight we have news 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:44.000 that has just kind of blown my mind. I'm bringing 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:49.480 back Dr Maggie Zengman to talk about some evidence that 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:55.440 was just discovered that has busted this timeline wide open 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.520 and given us, in my opinion, not just a piece 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:06.960 of evidence, but a critical time stamp in real time 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:13.000 of when Brittany may have been alive. Maggie, welcome back 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.680 to his own seven. What in the world has been discovered? 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.560 I don't even know where to start, but leave it 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:25.320 to say, about four days ago, my ex husband, who 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.400 I really have not talked much since Britty's murder, called 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:32.000 me and he said, I need to send your picture 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:35.400 of something, and he sent a picture of an envelope 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.240 and he said, look at the time stamp. What he 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:45.960 told me was that he had received, like he did 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.279 every year, a letter from my daughter asking him to 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:54.320 forward a birthday card for her grandfather, his father, and 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:58.280 every year she would do that no matter where she was, Florida, Tulsa. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:01.839 And he said, so she sent it to me and 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:08.359 I got it a week after she died. That's sort 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.040 of earth shattering enough. But he said, look at the 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:19.280 time stamp. The time stamp said, it's said September twenty night, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.960 which theoretically we've always been told that she was killed 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:31.679 sometimes September through the morning of. So you talk about 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:36.040 a letter from the past, This letter from the past 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.760 could be telling us so many things. I mean, I 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.760 got him to send it to me, and he fed 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.159 ex it to me a day later, so I did 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.160 have it in my possession. I know when you sent 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.080 it to me, it leaped off the page to me. 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.320 Somebody went into a post office or went to a 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:59.520 kiosk and got a stamp printed. It's not like a 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:03.520 post stamp, and then later it's postmarked. This is one 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:05.760 of those stamps that has but they call it a 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.080 cancelation and and they have a meat a meter mark. 0:06:09.200 --> 0:06:11.560 And when he first told me, I thought, oh, she 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.599 probably got ahead of stamp, and she probably put it 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.560 into her post office, I mean her apartment mailbox and 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:21.000 so it didn't get picked up to a day later. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.880 So I expected to just see, you know, a stick 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:29.360 and peel stamp, But this is a mechanized stamp. It's 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.920 a mechanized stamp that has the amount that it costs. 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:37.160 It's printed out and then the postmaster or if you 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:42.440 bought it at a kiosk, it is then it's already printed. 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:46.479 You just stick it on the envelope. And not only 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.440 was the date September twenty nine that I think of 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:55.680 like three pm I forget, but the cancelation where you 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:57.440 buy it at a kiosk, you put it through the 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.919 slot after you put the stamp on the cancel a 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.039 and was the same day also correct? And you talked 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.680 to her on yes? Yeah, like I said, you know, 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.320 I talked to her that night because she was really 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:13.360 upset and having some medical issues, and I told her 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.400 we get it all, um put together. And you know 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:21.720 I called her on the mean on the six that 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:29.120 was sorry, I'm erase that um but um, yes, I 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.760 talked her on the and then I tried to call 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.600 her on the but per their timeline, she was already dead. 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:39.000 And I wasn't surprised that she didn't call me back 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.240 because she rarely called me back on Tuesdays and Wednesdays 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:46.720 because she had a late school so was Tuesday, but 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:51.760 the twenty nine was Wednesday. This whole thing. So what 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:53.920 I was trying to say earlier is it even has 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:57.920 a QR code on it, so some of these numbers 0:07:57.960 --> 0:07:59.960 that are on it, you know, we can find out 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.840 the exact location. But y'all, this is so new to us. 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:07.560 We're still in the process of trying to do our investigation. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:12.200 Owned the envelope and owned the stamp. We're not even 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.440 there yet. We're working on it. We've got some really 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.160 good people on it. We even have a postmaster helping. 0:08:19.080 --> 0:08:22.120 But right now we don't know if it was inside 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.240 a post office or at a kiosk. We just know 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.160 it wasn't like she had a stamp in her drawer 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.960 put it on there and went to a postbox and 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:34.760 dropped it. She had to go in somewhere to get 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.000 this printed off to put on there. And charl you know, 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.040 it's not like we're not looking at the other options. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.080 Because you know the multiple conversation you and I and 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.400 the rest of the group have had, you know, one 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.040 of the things was, well, you know, Britty was busy, 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:53.080 she wasn't feeling good, so maybe she gave it to 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.560 a friend to mail, and so I took it upon 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.920 myself even before I gave it to the Tulsa police. 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:04.680 Two talked to the five people that I knew who 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:08.040 were closest to her. Her best friend, the young girl 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.440 that she went to school with and who came upon 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.160 her apartment, the young lady that she stayed with when 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:17.800 she first came back from Eckard College in Florida, and 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.000 her brother who saw her that night at school. And 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:25.280 then another friend, a friend who she visited in Texas 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.959 that for various reasons, we were looking at some of 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.800 the people that that friend knew. So those were the 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:35.320 five people who had the closest contact with them, And 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:39.959 I asked them, do you remember mailing a letter for 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:44.480 Britty right around the time she was murdered? And they 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:50.040 all said, no, that's five people the closest people to her. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.920 That doesn't mean there's not other people, but there's a 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.520 problem in how to find those other people. Well, here's 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:59.520 my problem with that. If somebody is close enough to 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.880 you that they say, hey, can you mail this for me, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.560 which is kind of like a little mundane type of air, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:07.920 and sure I can do that. And then days later, 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:12.600 if not hours later, you find out they've been murdered. 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.240 You are never going to forget you ran that errand 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:21.160 for them, that would be so etched in your memory 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.720 that the last time I saw her, she gave me 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:28.360 a letter to mail to her dad. And then I 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.480 get a phone call from a friend, or a fellow student, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:34.920 or a co worker or a neighbor, somebody that tells 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:40.040 me she's not just dead, but murdered. I can't believe 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.640 that person hasn't come forward, well, you know, them coming 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:46.720 forward again. So many of her friends were young and naive, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.720 so I sort of can understand that, but yeah, I 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.959 would have. But what I don't agree with is that 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.080 some people are saying, who's going to remember mailing something 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.640 eighteen years ago? And like you just said, if I 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:05.960 mailed something for someone and she was murdered four days later, 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.600 three days later, I'm sure it's all going to remember it. 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:14.320 Every single student that knew those four students in Moscow, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.280 Idaho are never gonna forget where they were when they 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:23.440 found out exactly. There is no way anybody would forget 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.000 doing the last favor of that child ever asked somebody 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.880 to do. And my point is, especially now, this whole 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.440 time they were saying, well, she could have been killed 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:39.840 on the or or the twenty nine, I'm shocked that 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.080 person didn't come forward and say, well, it couldn't have 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.880 been on the because she gave me a letter on 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:49.800 to mail if it was a friend, absolutely right, So 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.760 we have it could have been a friend or it 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.720 could have been her. So if she mailed that letter 0:11:56.720 --> 0:12:00.480 earlier in the day, went and got something in home 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:06.160 and there was somebody either bum rushed in waiting for 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.360 knocked on the door, she thought she had a delivery 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:12.480 and show open the door. Somehow they gained the entry 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:16.360 without forcing their way in, and then she was murdered. 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:22.520 But this changes the entire timeline, And a timeline is 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:27.760 investigation one oh one. You need to know exactly what happened, 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.440 exactly when it happened, so that you can get you know, 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:35.040 your suspect pool reduced because if somebody gives you an 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:41.320 alibi for the and you clear them, but then you 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.040 find out she might not have been killed on the 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.319 Now we have a whole new gotta star from ground 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:50.920 zero because the timeline has just changed because we got 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.959 a US posts stamp with a data sale of oh 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:59.480 nine four that we cannot ignore. Tell them what else 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.520 you got? So where do you want me to start? 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:06.079 I mean, this is one of those things, honestly. I mean, well, Maggie, 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:09.040 I sit here and I'm thinking all of these years 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.319 two thousand five, two thousand seven, two thousand twelve, two 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.440 thousand twenty, I mean all these years that you're waiting. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.200 I mean, I'm waiting and waiting. And then you know, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:23.240 we had this DNA and the DNA was compared to 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:27.920 hundreds hundreds of suspects. Jeff Felton was endless and trying 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:32.760 to figure them out. And then in two thousand nineteen, C. C. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:38.400 Moore with Paramon not only draws a phenotype picture, but finally, 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.439 after a year of searching all the genealogy charts and everything, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:47.360 makes a direct hit to a person that they interview. 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.120 But they say he's not our killer. That's when they 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:54.160 should have gone back to ground zero, you know, and 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:58.559 gone back over the autopsy and gone back over the 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.719 evidence and stuff. But was pick and choose, and I've 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.559 keep sending them tips all the time and stuff, and 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.600 so but I was hesitant when I got this because 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.079 I thought, once again, I'm going to give them something 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.240 that could mean something, could mean nothing. But I'm really 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.160 afraid of what they might want to do or what 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:21.040 they won't do. Rather, here's the bottom line. They can't 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:29.040 clear people based on alibi on They have to factor 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:34.360 this letter in period. They took the evidence from me. Yes, 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.600 they didn't ask me for the list of the five 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:44.480 people that I've checked with, as I've checked with my ex. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:48.280 They haven't contacted him about it yet, and they told 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.840 me that they didn't think it was going to mean anything. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.160 One person in particular told me that he didn't think 0:14:56.200 --> 0:15:00.560 anybody could remember mailing anything at eighteen years But they 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.880 were going to take it and look at it and stuff. 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.120 But they didn't have time to sit and listen to 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.640 the people I've talked to or listened to my other 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:15.800 concerns about a meat. Okay, well you recently got the 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.840 autopsy report, so let's just jump in this thing. So 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:23.880 now you have a letter mark nine. According to the 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:27.920 autopsy report, she had food in her stomach. They list 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:34.440 very clearly. It resembles brown meat, a tomato, and green vegetable. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.480 If you still have food in your stomach. That's usually 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.160 four to six hours. So that timeline is going to 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.160 get narrated even more now. So if we go off 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:49.760 the assumption theory one she mailed the letter, got something 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:53.960 to eat, and then was murdered within four hours, we 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.720 might have a real tight window now compared to three days. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.760 It's not gonna be three days anymore, It's not with 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:04.920 this case. I I really don't know what to believe anymore, 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:07.680 you know, But all these things are just strange. You know, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.720 I had seen autopsy years and years ago, but of 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.160 course I had no concerns back in two thousand nine, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:17.000 two thousand and ten, you know, I mean, because everything 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.480 was being looked at um. But you know this, and 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:24.160 it just doesn't seem like to me. And again I'm 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:27.000 still naive. I don't know everything, but I've been learning 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.880 a lot over eight ten years. It doesn't seem like 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:34.160 certain evidence that I was told was done and taken, 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.560 like swabs and different things. It's not listed in that 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.680 autopsy report. It is not listed. Maybe they didn't send 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.440 me the full one. I don't know, maybe, but it 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:47.480 is odd. There should be a list of things that 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:51.560 were done the evidence should be listed. Clearly, there was 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.880 something found under her fingernails. We swabbed her mouth, we 0:16:56.040 --> 0:17:00.160 swabbed her vaginal area. That should be in there. And 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.400 here's the thing that when you look at the time 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.600 of death, the time of death is not listed. When 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:10.760 you're walking through a homicide scene, you know that death 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.600 occurs in stages. So dying is a process. So one 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.920 of the first things you want to look for or 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:22.200 you know, is there any bugs, Is there any rigor mortists? 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.760 Is there any color? What are the eyes look like? 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.920 What's the temperature like? All of these things should happen 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.320 to tell you where this body is in this process. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.360 This autopsy is very clear to me. They say there's 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:40.280 no rigor mortis in the jaw. They say that rigor 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.120 is mild. So now you're talking four to two hours. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.520 So if you've got mild rigor mortis on top of 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:52.680 food in her stomach, Maggie, this changes this timeline to 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:59.040 such a massive degree that it needs to be ground zero. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:04.280 You start over today based on what you know. Now, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.280 let's put the word out. Was there somebody else that 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.879 did a favor for her? Was a neighbor going to 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.480 the grocery store in the post office and did you 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.479 know Brittany just say hey, can you mail this for me? 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.760 And they've never even talked to that person, but maybe 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:22.199 they'll hear your plea to say, wait a minute. I 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.480 did that. I didn't think it was anything. The issue 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:29.240 is that when I was talking, I said, well, you know, here, 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:32.080 I've got four or five people who were closest friends. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.199 They said they didn't mail it. I can give you 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.200 those names. He goes, you know, we'll get that later. 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:38.560 But then I said, you know, but I'd really like 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.439 to send this to media because that's a way to 0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:45.680 really rule out real quickly. Did somebody mail the letter 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:50.560 for her? And words were, you can't do that. That 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.680 would ruin the case. That would hurt the case. If 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.520 you share that, you can't tell me it's not worth anything. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.080 And at the same time tell me, well, you're going 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.840 to ruin the case. I know certain evidence was taken 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.480 because I was told that early on by both then 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:12.280 head of homicide and by the then detective. I know 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.800 they were given the timeline by the m E. They 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.919 didn't just make it up out there their minds. So 0:19:18.960 --> 0:19:20.800 that's why I find it so odd that it's not 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:25.280 written on the autopsy. I think it's unusual when they 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.680 say there's no injuries to this part of her body 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.800 or that part of her body. I think it's odd 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:34.000 that the evidence isn't listed. I think it's odd that 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.800 there's nothing notated of what they sent to the state 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:40.320 crime Lab. And again is did they send me the 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:43.800 whole record? I mean, it seemed like it was pretty complete, 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:46.560 but I don't know. I guess it read as though 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.040 it was complete, but there was some things I would 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:56.000 certainly like to have seen on there. But here's the thing, 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:02.960 in my professional opinion, the timeline has changed, so some 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:06.719 of these folks that they have cleared, I believe they 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:12.119 need to speak to again just to get clarification. Is 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:16.720 there a possibility she was alive on Is there a 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:21.720 possibility she mailed that letter herself? We have to know that. Now. 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.639 I've been sending emails and requests saying, you know, so, 0:20:26.760 --> 0:20:29.719 what are you going to be doing with the card? 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:33.800 You know? Are we gonna look at the timeline? You know, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.560 I've not got in any response. It's certainly something we're 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.639 going to do. So we're gonna pinpoint where this was 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.119 mailed from. Was it a post office or a kiosk. 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.560 We're putting the word out. Does anybody have any information 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:52.960 of how this got mailed? Did Brittany ask somebody to 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.199 mail it? Did she ask you a week before to 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:57.920 mail it and it was in your car and then 0:20:57.920 --> 0:21:00.320 you saw it in the visor and decided to mail it. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.080 I've done that myself. If I put something in the 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.480 sun visor, I may not see it for a couple 0:21:06.480 --> 0:21:10.240 of days. So again, you can help us with this timeline. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.800 If nobody comes forward, then we have to stay that 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.720 it must have been Brittany that mailed it. It's just 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:21.560 every time I think this case can't get more mixed up, 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.040 it does, you know. And it both gives me hope, 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.000 you know, and I'm finding myself, you know, and having 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.000 this anticipation and that at the same time I'm so 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:35.600 concerned that it's still not going to answer anything. I Mean, 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:39.199 this really seems like maybe we've finally found one of 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:43.240 the reasons there's such a block in this case. Well, 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:47.080 here's what I believe. I believe there is DNA. I 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.439 believe something is going to come from that from some 0:21:50.560 --> 0:21:54.760 of the testing that we believe, prayerfully is being done 0:21:55.359 --> 0:22:00.720 that you have asked repeatedly to get done. I think 0:22:00.800 --> 0:22:04.480 some answers are coming. But I believe this is such 0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:08.360 a message in a bottle type moment. I know. I mean, 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.919 it's it's like, you know, I often, I don't know 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.560 what I believe in, you know, but it's often I 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.639 often that's pretty, you know. I just say please, please, 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:22.399 to somehow affect, you know, something, to turn up or 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.560 to lead us somewhere. So maybe, Mama, I don't know 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.440 what more she could have done. I know, I know. Well, 0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.560 it's like you know when people say, oh, the Lord 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:35.320 works in mysterious ways, does he? Because this is in 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:40.960 your face, Brittany could not have done more to say, 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.800 all right, mama, you wanted me to give you a clue. 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:48.480 Here it is from my own handwriting to my own daddy, 0:22:48.560 --> 0:22:51.120 and he sent it to you, somebody you don't even 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.880 talk to. He reaches out to you because he finds this, 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:58.600 and he notices the post stamp, and I mean, game on, 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.639 I mean that to me, it's powerful. Well yeah, and 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:06.919 then inside the card are worth these words of because 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.720 it was a birthday card to her grandfather for her 0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:12.199 dad to give to him. And she went, you know, 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:17.439 I love your granddad. I'm sorry this is late. You know, 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.280 It's sort of to me, was sort of saying, you know, 0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:23.480 I'm sorry, I won't see you again type of thing. 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:26.320 But but you know what it says to me that 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:28.600 she was even more in a hurry to mail it. 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.040 She already knew it was late, so she wanted it 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:35.119 to get to the post office. Well, I think a 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:39.080 lot of good evidence has come out with that. Just surprised. 0:23:39.800 --> 0:23:42.520 I think they're gonna look at this and say, Okay, 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.399 we gotta make sure that we're gonna look at this 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.120 timeline one more time. We're gonna make sure that these 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:55.399 alibis line up now with this new possible significant lead. 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.840 And I think that whether it's state lab or a 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.920 private lab, I think we're gonna have some answers real soon. 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:09.199 And Maggie, I mean, you are a warrior. And I 0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:12.520 know you're sitting right now in a hotel room by yourself, 0:24:12.920 --> 0:24:16.400 and you're trying to process all this and you're doing 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.960 the best you know with it. But I admire you, 0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.000 and I am telling you in my gut this is 0:24:23.080 --> 0:24:26.840 such a sign from your child that I ain't gonna 0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:32.120 ignore it. I'm not going to either let's help law 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.720 enforcement by spreading the word to encourage witnesses to come forward. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.240 The phone number for the tults of p D it's 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:51.399 night five nine six nine one three five. So I'm 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:55.200 gonna end Zone seven like I always do with a 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:58.919 quote from somebody from my Zone seven, and tonight it 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:03.040 comes from is in Leaving the Mama of Sean Gelieving, 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:10.159 Do not give up, leave no stone unturned. Look for 0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:15.840 signs of loved ones, but don't look hard. They'll show 0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:22.000 up when you're not expecting it. I'm Cheryl McCollum and 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:36.920 this is on seven. Y'all better buckle up for next week. 0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.760 Not only are you gonna hear from one of my 0:25:40.920 --> 0:25:46.000 friends from my Zone seven, but he is also one 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:50.720 of my mentors. He is a living legend in the 0:25:50.800 --> 0:25:55.480 law enforcement world. Clay Bryant will make you think he 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.320 came right off the pages of To Kill a mocking Bird. 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:00.960 He is a law man with the heart of gold 0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:06.480 and enough horse sense to capture professional criminals all by himself.