1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: We recorded with Dr Maggie Zingingman in early January, and 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 1: from that short amount of time from when we recorded 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: to the release date of her episode, some developments have occurred. 4 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Maggie came across some new key information that I believe 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: needs to not only be discussed here, I think it 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 1: needs to be added to our existing knowledge of this 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: case for Brittany. It might go to time of death, 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: It might add a potential witness, It definitely adds a 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: place of interest. This additional information has got a specific location, 10 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: a specific day, and a specific time frame. Some people 11 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: may say, well, she shouldn't be talking about it, she 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: should wait. It might hurt the case. I don't know 13 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: how it would hurt the case to bring this out. 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Because it is bringing it out, we're gonna be able 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: to find out if somebody did a favor or ran 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: an errand for Brittany. This particular piece of evidence is 17 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: critical to put in the public to plead for somebody 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: to come forward. One thing that I know I inherited 19 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: from my mama is I love tom capsules, messages and 20 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: bottles and these letters that are sometimes lost for long 21 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: periods of time and then delivered. I remember there was 22 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: a letter that was written by a young soldier in 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: like nineteen forty five that was delivered to his with 24 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: a and it had been lost all that time. I 25 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: think it was a letter that he wrote to his mom, 26 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: and somehow the postal service came up with it. And 27 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: of course his mama was long gone. He was also deceased, 28 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: so his wife's who they delivered it to. And I 29 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: just love stories like that. Cold cases are a lot 30 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: like a time capsule. Everything stops when a crime happens. 31 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: The victim doesn't get any older, they don't go back 32 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: to work, they don't go back to school, they don't 33 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: contact family ever again. That foul is encased and preserved 34 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: and locked away, and sometimes it didn't open for years 35 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: or decades. And just like the long lost love letter 36 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: that gets delivered fifty years later, we have a letter 37 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: that was either mailed by Brittany or somebody mailed it 38 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: on her behalf. We've just learned about it, but we 39 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: know that changes the timeline. It adds a place, that 40 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: specific post office, It adds a person again, either Brittany 41 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: herself or somebody for her. Maggie has held this in 42 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: her hand like a time capsule. She's read it. She 43 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: stared at Brittney's handwriting. The memories have come flooding back 44 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: to her and the questions where did she get this envelope? 45 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: When did she write it? Where was she when she 46 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: wrote it, who mailed it? When did they mail it? 47 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: But it's put into play now tonight we have news 48 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: that has just kind of blown my mind. I'm bringing 49 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: back Dr Maggie Zengman to talk about some evidence that 50 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: was just discovered that has busted this timeline wide open 51 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: and given us, in my opinion, not just a piece 52 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: of evidence, but a critical time stamp in real time 53 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: of when Brittany may have been alive. Maggie, welcome back 54 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: to his own seven. What in the world has been discovered? 55 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know where to start, but leave it 56 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: to say, about four days ago, my ex husband, who 57 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: I really have not talked much since Britty's murder, called 58 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: me and he said, I need to send your picture 59 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: of something, and he sent a picture of an envelope 60 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: and he said, look at the time stamp. What he 61 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: told me was that he had received, like he did 62 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: every year, a letter from my daughter asking him to 63 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: forward a birthday card for her grandfather, his father, and 64 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: every year she would do that no matter where she was, Florida, Tulsa. 65 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: And he said, so she sent it to me and 66 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 1: I got it a week after she died. That's sort 67 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: of earth shattering enough. But he said, look at the 68 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: time stamp. The time stamp said, it's said September twenty night, 69 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: which theoretically we've always been told that she was killed 70 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:31,679 Speaker 1: sometimes September through the morning of. So you talk about 71 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: a letter from the past, This letter from the past 72 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: could be telling us so many things. I mean, I 73 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: got him to send it to me, and he fed 74 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: ex it to me a day later, so I did 75 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: have it in my possession. I know when you sent 76 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: it to me, it leaped off the page to me. 77 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: Somebody went into a post office or went to a 78 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: kiosk and got a stamp printed. It's not like a 79 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: post stamp, and then later it's postmarked. This is one 80 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: of those stamps that has but they call it a 81 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: cancelation and and they have a meat a meter mark. 82 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: And when he first told me, I thought, oh, she 83 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: probably got ahead of stamp, and she probably put it 84 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: into her post office, I mean her apartment mailbox and 85 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: so it didn't get picked up to a day later. 86 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: So I expected to just see, you know, a stick 87 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: and peel stamp, But this is a mechanized stamp. It's 88 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: a mechanized stamp that has the amount that it costs. 89 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: It's printed out and then the postmaster or if you 90 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: bought it at a kiosk, it is then it's already printed. 91 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: You just stick it on the envelope. And not only 92 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: was the date September twenty nine that I think of 93 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: like three pm I forget, but the cancelation where you 94 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: buy it at a kiosk, you put it through the 95 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: slot after you put the stamp on the cancel a 96 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: and was the same day also correct? And you talked 97 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: to her on yes? Yeah, like I said, you know, 98 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: I talked to her that night because she was really 99 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: upset and having some medical issues, and I told her 100 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: we get it all, um put together. And you know 101 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: I called her on the mean on the six that 102 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: was sorry, I'm erase that um but um, yes, I 103 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: talked her on the and then I tried to call 104 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: her on the but per their timeline, she was already dead. 105 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: And I wasn't surprised that she didn't call me back 106 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: because she rarely called me back on Tuesdays and Wednesdays 107 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: because she had a late school so was Tuesday, but 108 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: the twenty nine was Wednesday. This whole thing. So what 109 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: I was trying to say earlier is it even has 110 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: a QR code on it, so some of these numbers 111 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: that are on it, you know, we can find out 112 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: the exact location. But y'all, this is so new to us. 113 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: We're still in the process of trying to do our investigation. 114 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: Owned the envelope and owned the stamp. We're not even 115 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: there yet. We're working on it. We've got some really 116 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: good people on it. We even have a postmaster helping. 117 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: But right now we don't know if it was inside 118 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: a post office or at a kiosk. We just know 119 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't like she had a stamp in her drawer 120 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: put it on there and went to a postbox and 121 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: dropped it. She had to go in somewhere to get 122 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: this printed off to put on there. And charl you know, 123 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not like we're not looking at the other options. 124 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: Because you know the multiple conversation you and I and 125 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: the rest of the group have had, you know, one 126 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: of the things was, well, you know, Britty was busy, 127 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: she wasn't feeling good, so maybe she gave it to 128 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: a friend to mail, and so I took it upon 129 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: myself even before I gave it to the Tulsa police. 130 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: Two talked to the five people that I knew who 131 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: were closest to her. Her best friend, the young girl 132 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: that she went to school with and who came upon 133 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: her apartment, the young lady that she stayed with when 134 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: she first came back from Eckard College in Florida, and 135 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: her brother who saw her that night at school. And 136 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: then another friend, a friend who she visited in Texas 137 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: that for various reasons, we were looking at some of 138 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: the people that that friend knew. So those were the 139 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: five people who had the closest contact with them, And 140 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: I asked them, do you remember mailing a letter for 141 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Britty right around the time she was murdered? And they 142 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: all said, no, that's five people the closest people to her. 143 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean there's not other people, but there's a 144 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: problem in how to find those other people. Well, here's 145 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: my problem with that. If somebody is close enough to 146 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: you that they say, hey, can you mail this for me, 147 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: which is kind of like a little mundane type of air, 148 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: and sure I can do that. And then days later, 149 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: if not hours later, you find out they've been murdered. 150 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: You are never going to forget you ran that errand 151 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: for them, that would be so etched in your memory 152 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: that the last time I saw her, she gave me 153 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: a letter to mail to her dad. And then I 154 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: get a phone call from a friend, or a fellow student, 155 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: or a co worker or a neighbor, somebody that tells 156 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: me she's not just dead, but murdered. I can't believe 157 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: that person hasn't come forward, well, you know, them coming 158 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: forward again. So many of her friends were young and naive, 159 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: so I sort of can understand that, but yeah, I 160 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: would have. But what I don't agree with is that 161 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: some people are saying, who's going to remember mailing something 162 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: eighteen years ago? And like you just said, if I 163 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: mailed something for someone and she was murdered four days later, 164 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: three days later, I'm sure it's all going to remember it. 165 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: Every single student that knew those four students in Moscow, 166 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: Idaho are never gonna forget where they were when they 167 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: found out exactly. There is no way anybody would forget 168 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: doing the last favor of that child ever asked somebody 169 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: to do. And my point is, especially now, this whole 170 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: time they were saying, well, she could have been killed 171 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: on the or or the twenty nine, I'm shocked that 172 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 1: person didn't come forward and say, well, it couldn't have 173 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: been on the because she gave me a letter on 174 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: to mail if it was a friend, absolutely right, So 175 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: we have it could have been a friend or it 176 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: could have been her. So if she mailed that letter 177 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: earlier in the day, went and got something in home 178 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: and there was somebody either bum rushed in waiting for 179 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: knocked on the door, she thought she had a delivery 180 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: and show open the door. Somehow they gained the entry 181 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: without forcing their way in, and then she was murdered. 182 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: But this changes the entire timeline, And a timeline is 183 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: investigation one oh one. You need to know exactly what happened, 184 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: exactly when it happened, so that you can get you know, 185 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: your suspect pool reduced because if somebody gives you an 186 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: alibi for the and you clear them, but then you 187 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: find out she might not have been killed on the 188 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: Now we have a whole new gotta star from ground 189 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: zero because the timeline has just changed because we got 190 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: a US posts stamp with a data sale of oh 191 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: nine four that we cannot ignore. Tell them what else 192 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: you got? So where do you want me to start? 193 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: I mean, this is one of those things, honestly. I mean, well, Maggie, 194 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: I sit here and I'm thinking all of these years 195 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: two thousand five, two thousand seven, two thousand twelve, two 196 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: thousand twenty, I mean all these years that you're waiting. 197 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm waiting and waiting. And then you know, 198 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: we had this DNA and the DNA was compared to 199 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: hundreds hundreds of suspects. Jeff Felton was endless and trying 200 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: to figure them out. And then in two thousand nineteen, C. C. 201 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: Moore with Paramon not only draws a phenotype picture, but finally, 202 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:42,439 Speaker 1: after a year of searching all the genealogy charts and everything, 203 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: makes a direct hit to a person that they interview. 204 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: But they say he's not our killer. That's when they 205 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: should have gone back to ground zero, you know, and 206 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: gone back over the autopsy and gone back over the 207 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 1: evidence and stuff. But was pick and choose, and I've 208 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: keep sending them tips all the time and stuff, and 209 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: so but I was hesitant when I got this because 210 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 1: I thought, once again, I'm going to give them something 211 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: that could mean something, could mean nothing. But I'm really 212 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: afraid of what they might want to do or what 213 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: they won't do. Rather, here's the bottom line. They can't 214 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: clear people based on alibi on They have to factor 215 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: this letter in period. They took the evidence from me. Yes, 216 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: they didn't ask me for the list of the five 217 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: people that I've checked with, as I've checked with my ex. 218 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: They haven't contacted him about it yet, and they told 219 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: me that they didn't think it was going to mean anything. 220 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: One person in particular told me that he didn't think 221 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: anybody could remember mailing anything at eighteen years But they 222 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: were going to take it and look at it and stuff. 223 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: But they didn't have time to sit and listen to 224 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: the people I've talked to or listened to my other 225 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: concerns about a meat. Okay, well you recently got the 226 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: autopsy report, so let's just jump in this thing. So 227 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: now you have a letter mark nine. According to the 228 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: autopsy report, she had food in her stomach. They list 229 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: very clearly. It resembles brown meat, a tomato, and green vegetable. 230 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: If you still have food in your stomach. That's usually 231 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: four to six hours. So that timeline is going to 232 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: get narrated even more now. So if we go off 233 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: the assumption theory one she mailed the letter, got something 234 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to eat, and then was murdered within four hours, we 235 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: might have a real tight window now compared to three days. 236 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be three days anymore, It's not with 237 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: this case. I I really don't know what to believe anymore, 238 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, But all these things are just strange. You know, 239 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: I had seen autopsy years and years ago, but of 240 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: course I had no concerns back in two thousand nine, 241 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, you know, I mean, because everything 242 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: was being looked at um. But you know this, and 243 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like to me. And again I'm 244 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: still naive. I don't know everything, but I've been learning 245 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: a lot over eight ten years. It doesn't seem like 246 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: certain evidence that I was told was done and taken, 247 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: like swabs and different things. It's not listed in that 248 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: autopsy report. It is not listed. Maybe they didn't send 249 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: me the full one. I don't know, maybe, but it 250 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: is odd. There should be a list of things that 251 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: were done the evidence should be listed. Clearly, there was 252 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 1: something found under her fingernails. We swabbed her mouth, we 253 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: swabbed her vaginal area. That should be in there. And 254 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: here's the thing that when you look at the time 255 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: of death, the time of death is not listed. When 256 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: you're walking through a homicide scene, you know that death 257 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: occurs in stages. So dying is a process. So one 258 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 1: of the first things you want to look for or 259 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, is there any bugs, Is there any rigor mortists? 260 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: Is there any color? What are the eyes look like? 261 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: What's the temperature like? All of these things should happen 262 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: to tell you where this body is in this process. 263 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 1: This autopsy is very clear to me. They say there's 264 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: no rigor mortis in the jaw. They say that rigor 265 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: is mild. So now you're talking four to two hours. 266 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: So if you've got mild rigor mortis on top of 267 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: food in her stomach, Maggie, this changes this timeline to 268 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: such a massive degree that it needs to be ground zero. 269 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: You start over today based on what you know. Now, 270 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: let's put the word out. Was there somebody else that 271 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: did a favor for her? Was a neighbor going to 272 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: the grocery store in the post office and did you 273 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: know Brittany just say hey, can you mail this for me? 274 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: And they've never even talked to that person, but maybe 275 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: they'll hear your plea to say, wait a minute. I 276 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: did that. I didn't think it was anything. The issue 277 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: is that when I was talking, I said, well, you know, here, 278 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: I've got four or five people who were closest friends. 279 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: They said they didn't mail it. I can give you 280 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: those names. He goes, you know, we'll get that later. 281 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: But then I said, you know, but I'd really like 282 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: to send this to media because that's a way to 283 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: really rule out real quickly. Did somebody mail the letter 284 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: for her? And words were, you can't do that. That 285 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: would ruin the case. That would hurt the case. If 286 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: you share that, you can't tell me it's not worth anything. 287 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: And at the same time tell me, well, you're going 288 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: to ruin the case. I know certain evidence was taken 289 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: because I was told that early on by both then 290 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: head of homicide and by the then detective. I know 291 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: they were given the timeline by the m E. They 292 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 1: didn't just make it up out there their minds. So 293 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: that's why I find it so odd that it's not 294 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: written on the autopsy. I think it's unusual when they 295 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: say there's no injuries to this part of her body 296 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: or that part of her body. I think it's odd 297 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: that the evidence isn't listed. I think it's odd that 298 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: there's nothing notated of what they sent to the state 299 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: crime Lab. And again is did they send me the 300 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: whole record? I mean, it seemed like it was pretty complete, 301 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: but I don't know. I guess it read as though 302 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: it was complete, but there was some things I would 303 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: certainly like to have seen on there. But here's the thing, 304 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: in my professional opinion, the timeline has changed, so some 305 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 1: of these folks that they have cleared, I believe they 306 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: need to speak to again just to get clarification. Is 307 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: there a possibility she was alive on Is there a 308 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: possibility she mailed that letter herself? We have to know that. Now. 309 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 1: I've been sending emails and requests saying, you know, so, 310 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,719 Speaker 1: what are you going to be doing with the card? 311 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: You know? Are we gonna look at the timeline? You know, 312 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: I've not got in any response. It's certainly something we're 313 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: going to do. So we're gonna pinpoint where this was 314 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: mailed from. Was it a post office or a kiosk. 315 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: We're putting the word out. Does anybody have any information 316 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: of how this got mailed? Did Brittany ask somebody to 317 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,199 Speaker 1: mail it? Did she ask you a week before to 318 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: mail it and it was in your car and then 319 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: you saw it in the visor and decided to mail it. 320 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: I've done that myself. If I put something in the 321 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: sun visor, I may not see it for a couple 322 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: of days. So again, you can help us with this timeline. 323 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: If nobody comes forward, then we have to stay that 324 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: it must have been Brittany that mailed it. It's just 325 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: every time I think this case can't get more mixed up, 326 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: it does, you know. And it both gives me hope, 327 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm finding myself, you know, and having 328 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: this anticipation and that at the same time I'm so 329 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: concerned that it's still not going to answer anything. I Mean, 330 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: this really seems like maybe we've finally found one of 331 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: the reasons there's such a block in this case. Well, 332 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: here's what I believe. I believe there is DNA. I 333 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: believe something is going to come from that from some 334 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: of the testing that we believe, prayerfully is being done 335 00:21:55,359 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: that you have asked repeatedly to get done. I think 336 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: some answers are coming. But I believe this is such 337 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 1: a message in a bottle type moment. I know. I mean, 338 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know, I often, I don't know 339 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: what I believe in, you know, but it's often I 340 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: often that's pretty, you know. I just say please, please, 341 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,399 Speaker 1: to somehow affect, you know, something, to turn up or 342 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: to lead us somewhere. So maybe, Mama, I don't know 343 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: what more she could have done. I know, I know. Well, 344 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: it's like you know when people say, oh, the Lord 345 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: works in mysterious ways, does he? Because this is in 346 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: your face, Brittany could not have done more to say, 347 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: all right, mama, you wanted me to give you a clue. 348 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Here it is from my own handwriting to my own daddy, 349 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 1: and he sent it to you, somebody you don't even 350 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 1: talk to. He reaches out to you because he finds this, 351 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: and he notices the post stamp, and I mean, game on, 352 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: I mean that to me, it's powerful. Well yeah, and 353 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: then inside the card are worth these words of because 354 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: it was a birthday card to her grandfather for her 355 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: dad to give to him. And she went, you know, 356 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: I love your granddad. I'm sorry this is late. You know, 357 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: It's sort of to me, was sort of saying, you know, 358 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I won't see you again type of thing. 359 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: But but you know what it says to me that 360 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: she was even more in a hurry to mail it. 361 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: She already knew it was late, so she wanted it 362 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: to get to the post office. Well, I think a 363 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: lot of good evidence has come out with that. Just surprised. 364 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna look at this and say, Okay, 365 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: we gotta make sure that we're gonna look at this 366 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: timeline one more time. We're gonna make sure that these 367 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: alibis line up now with this new possible significant lead. 368 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: And I think that whether it's state lab or a 369 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: private lab, I think we're gonna have some answers real soon. 370 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,199 Speaker 1: And Maggie, I mean, you are a warrior. And I 371 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: know you're sitting right now in a hotel room by yourself, 372 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: and you're trying to process all this and you're doing 373 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: the best you know with it. But I admire you, 374 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: and I am telling you in my gut this is 375 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: such a sign from your child that I ain't gonna 376 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: ignore it. I'm not going to either let's help law 377 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: enforcement by spreading the word to encourage witnesses to come forward. 378 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: The phone number for the tults of p D it's 379 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: night five nine six nine one three five. So I'm 380 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: gonna end Zone seven like I always do with a 381 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,919 Speaker 1: quote from somebody from my Zone seven, and tonight it 382 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: comes from is in Leaving the Mama of Sean Gelieving, 383 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: Do not give up, leave no stone unturned. Look for 384 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: signs of loved ones, but don't look hard. They'll show 385 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: up when you're not expecting it. I'm Cheryl McCollum and 386 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: this is on seven. Y'all better buckle up for next week. 387 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: Not only are you gonna hear from one of my 388 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: friends from my Zone seven, but he is also one 389 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: of my mentors. He is a living legend in the 390 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: law enforcement world. Clay Bryant will make you think he 391 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: came right off the pages of To Kill a mocking Bird. 392 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: He is a law man with the heart of gold 393 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: and enough horse sense to capture professional criminals all by himself.