1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Holly 3 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Fry and I'm Wilson. Um. We mentioned I mentioned when 4 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: we were talking in our eponymous Foods episode this week, 5 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: which made me giggle a whole lot once we got 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: past the sad part that I would mention a thing 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: that seems to have happened with Leo hirschfeld story, which 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,599 Speaker 1: is very sad that I don't know if it was 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: done deliberately, but I have to wonder if it wasn't 10 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: to kind of get distance from the way his life ended, 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: which is that if you look at most histories approved 12 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: by the company that makes that delightful treat his last 13 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: name is is spelled as hersh Field and not Herschfeld, 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: even though that is how he spelled his name throughout 15 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: his life. There wasn't. It wasn't like he changed his 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: name at some point or adapted some so that to 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: me made me go, is this so no one can 18 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: look up what really happened there? But that might be 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: my own conspiracy theory. Just know if you're going looking 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: for him, UM, that that is like in newspaper mentioned, 21 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: there aren't a bunch other than his obituary, but UM 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: or the news of his death. But there you're not 23 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: going to find it if you do hersh Field, And 24 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: if you do Hershfield, you'll get a lot of the 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: officially UM accepted versions, which are much peppier and focus 26 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: on the candy part and not on the disaster part. Right. 27 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: We also mentioned that we would talk about TuS roles 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: in the Korean War, which you had actually pinned me 29 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: and said like, did that come up in your church? 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, but it's for Friday. And 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: the reason that I packed you is that nine billion 32 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: years ago, a listener named Kimberly sent in an episode 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: topic suggestion, which I wrote in the spreadsheet as Tutsie 34 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: rolls saving people in war question mark right. And so 35 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 1: I mean there are I think there are probably many 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: people that would suggest that just because of the quick 37 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: energy they offered in ration packs like that could have 38 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: saved many people's lives. But there is a very specific 39 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: Korean War one where UM that the Marine Corps officially 40 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: shares this story that during the Korean War, the first 41 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: Marine Division was in action and they were in this 42 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 1: horrible sub freezing situation and they ran out of ammunition 43 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: and they called for sixty millimeter mortar AMMO, and they 44 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:59,119 Speaker 1: called them tutsie rolls and they used that code name, 45 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: but a radio operator who received this message did not 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: know this, and he called it in order of actual 47 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: tutsie rolls. And so palettes of tutsie rolls arrived. Uh. 48 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: They were parachuted onto the front and they weren't ammunition, 49 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: but the troops ate them because they also did need 50 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of nourishment. We can discussed, you know, 51 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 1: the nourishment level of sugar all the time. I would 52 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: pass out, but for many people it will keep you 53 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: going UM, and so that UM is often like they're 54 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: they're kind of heralded as heroic in that regard. Yeah. Well, 55 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: and when I was reading this episode outline, I was like, 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: someone said years ago that we should do an episode 57 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: about tutsie rolls saving people in war. And the reason 58 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: there's a question mark on the spreadsheet is because I 59 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not sure what this is about. So 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I just googled it and it brought up all this 61 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: um Korean war stuff and some of the accounts were 62 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: saying that they figured out if they like warmed it 63 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: up and made it plu liable. They could also use 64 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: the TUTSI roll to like patch fuel lines and bullet 65 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: holes and things. And I'm like, there's a lot about 66 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: this story that just raises question marks for me because 67 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: it's it has an almost urban legend, and I would 68 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: say that urban legend depart is also part of the 69 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: official US Marine Corps retelling plugged bullet holes because they 70 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: would seal up things that had been shot as they refroze. 71 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: Not people, obviously, but items like there's a hole in 72 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: the car door now of the jeep right right, so 73 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: we don't know. That was another part of the reason 74 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: I was like, this is not for the episode, And 75 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: I really wanted to focus on my obsession with German 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: chocolate cake because it's not even a cake that I'm 77 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: prettically obsessed with. But as I kept finding one new 78 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: version after another that was like, Mrs you know Blue, 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: but Blue is the inventor of German and I'm like, no, 80 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: she's no. Well, and I would expect a recipe to 81 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: suddenly proliferate in that way now in the day of 82 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: the Internet, and even before the Internet as we know 83 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: it today existed, like I remember chain email forwards with 84 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: like the supposed Nemon Marcus recipe and that kind of stuff. 85 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: But it's, uh, it surprised me that there seemed to 86 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: be a similar proliferation of a recipe in the nineteen fifties. Yeah, 87 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: and I mean it really, Like I started making a 88 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: spreadsheet of each recipe because I just wanted to compare 89 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: the ingredients. And the cake part is identical from like 90 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two on. Um. Like I said, there's some variations, 91 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 1: like there are a couple of versions that say five 92 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: eggs versus four, there's a little more flower and when, 93 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 1: but other than that, they're pretty identical. Now there is 94 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: part of it that like cake is cake, but this 95 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: one has enough unique things like using the buttermilk, um, 96 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: melting the chocolate into warm milk, like all of that 97 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: that I'm like, this is the same. It's the same cake. 98 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: Even once you get to the icing. Also almost identical. Um. 99 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: Although I did make a note that where's that one 100 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: that the the Austin American Statesman one that we read 101 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: about that I said kind of reads like they're like 102 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: that's cute general foods they're icing they specifically say is 103 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: called angel icing and adamant about it. I don't, but 104 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: it's the exact same thing. It's butter, egg, yolks, sugar, vanilla, 105 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: pecom pieces, whipping cream, ready to roll, angel flake coconut. 106 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: I just thought it was funny that people are very 107 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: um protective of their recipe even though it's the same 108 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: recipe that everyone else has. Yeah, I said at the 109 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,679 Speaker 1: top of the show. I think I think I said 110 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: I love chocolate. I love it a lot. I would 111 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: say these are probably my two least favorite chocolate things, 112 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: Like tipsy roll is something that I mostly associate with 113 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: the last thing eaten from the Halloween trigger hall um, 114 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: and I am just not into the texture of the 115 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: coconut and the coconut texture not a fan um. But 116 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: then also like the combination of the coconut and the 117 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: other ingredients that are in the icing, like the just 118 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: to me makes the coconut worse. And I'm just like 119 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: you just you just ruined your chocolate cake with See 120 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm the flip because I don't. I'm not a chocolate person, 121 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: like I said, but I really like this icing deck. 122 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: I will say we didn't mentioned it during the episode. 123 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: I fully expect there to be emails, Let's this not 124 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: be another crayon, craon, etcetera, because some people say pecan 125 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: differently than we do. Yeah, our friend Adrian gets very 126 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: riled up about the pronunciation pecan because that is not 127 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: where it's uh, that's not how it's pronounced in the 128 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: areas where the plant is like native to growing um, 129 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: and its specifically annoys her when it's some kind of 130 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: advertisement that seems to be implying that it is from 131 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: that region. She's like, not how we say it. I'm 132 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: trying to think if there's anything I get riled up 133 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: about when it comes to pronunciation, I'm gonna say I 134 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: know one word that makes me irate and well, for 135 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: having worked on this podcast for almost a decade and 136 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: specifically also having done episodes about like how languages are 137 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: living things that are changing all the time, I just 138 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: give everyone a pass on pronouncing things, and even when 139 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: it comes to things like the word Appalachian, which I 140 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: say that way because of where I grew up, living 141 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: in the shadow of the Appalachian Mountains and loving those 142 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: mountains with my whole heart. When some of my TikTok 143 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: through hikers said it Appalachian, I was like you walked 144 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 1: two thousand and something. You say it, how you say it. 145 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: I know this came up recently on the show where 146 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: we were talking about pronunciation and how it bothers certain people. 147 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: There is a um, a guy on TikTok named Nick 148 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: the list that does French lessons, and he has the 149 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: most wonderful approach because he's always like, do you native 150 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: English speaker say this French word this way or this way? 151 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: And he's like, you know what, it doesn't matter, you're communicating. 152 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: Like he's so charming about it, and he's like French 153 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: people that say they don't understand you are usually lying 154 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: now yeah, which is kind of charming. I um I recently, 155 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't even remember how this happened. I stumbled over 156 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: an article that was like, here's fifteen French words Americans 157 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: were saying wrong, and they were all English words for 158 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: foods that have French origins, whose names have been used 159 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: used in English for in many cases like centuries. Um So, 160 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: things like croissant. Oh yeah, I can't say that. You 161 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: can say it however you want. Yeah, I just physically, 162 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: like my body will repel. Yeah, it doesn't bother me 163 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: when other people say it. I can't say it that way. 164 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: It's which is, which is fine? Uh. And it was 165 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: just stressing me out because I was like, there are 166 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: loan words that kind of move from one language to another, 167 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: and in the language they've moved into, often the pronunciation 168 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: is a little different. And that's fine. We don't all 169 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: need to affect French pronunciations when talking about food items 170 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: that from a fast food joint. Especially. Yes, it's fine. 171 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: Um uh, yeah, I have one word that makes me 172 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: I rate irrationally. Is it? Is it mischievous? What have 173 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: you done to me? I'm so sorry. I'm sorry if 174 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: anybody says it, that's the one for me. That's my trigger. 175 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: If I'm the Manchurian candidate, that's my trigger word where 176 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 1: I just I go into a few states start doing violence. 177 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: I don't even I hate it. Here's why I hate 178 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: it so much. I know why I hate it. Uh huh. 179 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: That's not how the word is spelled. Yeah, you're making 180 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: up a syllable that's not any part of the worst. 181 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: Well that's the thing where now, um some dictionaries have 182 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: adopted that spelling is an alternate to make up the gap, 183 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: which is fine. Just it's irrational. If we ever see 184 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: you tweeting with that extra eye in there, we know 185 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: you have been kidnapped. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Um. 186 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: Be like, I hate Greto and I feel mischievous. Definitely 187 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: not Holly Fry talking right there. My spouse gets very 188 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: upset if anyone in his presence says that glass is 189 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: a liquid. Listen, we all have our peccadillos. Sure, it's 190 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: all fine, It's all fine. Uh say it however you want. 191 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: It's fine. It's my thing to work through anybody that's 192 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,199 Speaker 1: hearing this's not yours, um, because it's all evolving anyway, 193 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: everything's changing all the two. It's all fine. Do we 194 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: know what you meant? On a very rare case, something 195 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: really will be unclear because of how someone pronounced something. 196 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: But honestly, that also happens with words that are just 197 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: pronounced the same way, so all the time, all the time. Um, 198 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: But I am anticipating him, and I have to make 199 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: some German chocolate cake sing because delicious. It's when my 200 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: mom used to make all the time. She alleged it 201 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: was my dad's favorite. I still don't know if it was, 202 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: because there were a few foods she alleged were my 203 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: dad's favorites that we found it later in life, he 204 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: didn't like at all. I may have told this story 205 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: on the podcast before, but when I was a child, 206 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: my grandmother would make this homemade peach ice cream on 207 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: my birthday every year, and the texture of it bothered 208 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,839 Speaker 1: me profoundly. And every year on my birthday, I would 209 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: be eating this homemade peach ice cream, choking it down 210 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: so that I would not hurt my grandmother's feelings. And 211 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: so she kept making right. That's the trick, finding the 212 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: way to go. This isn't actually my favorite thing. I'm 213 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: not sure why you landed there. Let's try something else, 214 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: and then she would make you coconut ice cream and 215 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: you do the same thing. Honestly, I think I would 216 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: like coconut ice cream better than the peach ice cream, 217 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: even if it has flaked coconut in it. I think 218 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: the flaked coconut texture would bother me less than something 219 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: about the peach ice cream texture. Is it the chunks 220 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: of frozen peaches had little bits of peaches in it. Yeah, 221 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: I love those like they get a little icy and weird, 222 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: But again, everybody's different. I don't like nuts in my 223 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: baked goods generally, yeah, Patrick, either you leave that out 224 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: of fudge. I want the smooth consistency, but I love 225 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: them in. Like the icing on German chocolate cake. Yeah, well, 226 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: if we're somewhere together and somebody feeds this German chocolate cake, 227 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: you can scrape all the icing off and give me 228 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: the cake part. I'll just see the bucket of ice 229 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: seems very healthy and good. I still need to make 230 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: you natural melon flavored syrups to try, and cocktails and 231 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: whatnot and see if you like. It's on my list, 232 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: I promise. One of our episodes this week was on 233 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: scarlet fever, and it really was just because um my 234 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: friend's kids got scarlet fever and had the same emotional response. 235 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: I was like I did when I was a child, 236 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: and I was like, I thought scarlet fever was the 237 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: thing that killed people in old books that I read. 238 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: What do you mean I have it now? And the 239 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: pediatrician was like, it's struck with a rash, and uh, yeah, 240 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: I don't remember if my brother also got scarlet fever. 241 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: I got strapped more than once as a kid. That 242 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: was the only time that I got scarlet fever and 243 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: I don't really remember anyone else that I knew specifically 244 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: having it, but surely someone did because I got it 245 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: from somewhere I don't I didn't have it as a 246 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: kid that I know of, but I was terrified of 247 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: it because of The Velveteen Rabbit, which I was not 248 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: allowed to read. So my parents were not um big 249 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: on limiting what I had access to, like I read 250 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: books that were I should not have been reading it 251 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: any at ages way too young. However, there had been 252 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: a prior incident where it became a parent that I 253 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: this RuPaul would say, had a sensitivity on things. And 254 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: my friends, my best friend's parents had taken me to 255 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: the movies and we saw where the red Fern grows 256 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: and I know and by the way, my my family 257 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: bread the same kind of hounds that are in that movie. 258 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: So I had, like I didn't just cry a lot, 259 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: I had a full blown, like nonfunctioning, stopped being verbal 260 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: meltdown in that movie. And my I remember my friend's 261 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: parents being so worried that like my parents were going 262 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: to be mad because they had and I just like 263 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: fell apart into like a horrific degree and my parents 264 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: were like, no, that tracks um, but they kind of 265 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 1: reassessed when I was allowed to have excellency after that, 266 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 1: and velveteen Rabbit was off the table, like there's no 267 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: way Holly's going to survive this, um and so. And 268 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: I also am a toy person, Like when I got married, 269 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: my toys came to the wedding. We had them all 270 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: over the wedding venue, like minea Brian's toys. It's a 271 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: big bonding thing for us, like the toys we have 272 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: saved since childhood. So obviously, like I completely over humanized 273 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: and animate objects. And I stand this. Listen, do I 274 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: kiss my shoes sometimes? Yes? Um? But but um, I 275 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: didn't read it until I was in a adult and 276 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean like an adult in my twenties, And I 277 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: was so grateful that I had not been allowed to 278 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: read it as a child because I was not emotionally 279 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: tall enough to ride that ride at like the age 280 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: of twenty four. So I'm pretty sure had I had 281 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: access to it at like seven or eight, I may 282 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: have just died of heartbreak, Like sure, yeah, yeah, And 283 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: I mean I know I know how that story goes. 284 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: I am very familiar with it. I feel like it 285 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: got read multiple times when I was a kid, and 286 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: I was also a very sensitive child, and I have 287 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: no real memory of how that went in terms of feelings. 288 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: But boy, just it's in the public domain now. You 289 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: can read the whole thing on the internet. Google velveteen Rabbit. 290 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: It's going to be there. And like, I was reading 291 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: it at my desk and be like, why didn't they 292 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: read this to children? And I got very upset about it. Um, 293 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: I as a child was terrified of tuberculosis because my 294 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: grandmother as a child, UM, she she had a number 295 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: of tragic things happened in her childhood, and one of 296 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: them was that she got tuberculosis and had to be 297 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: sent to a sanatorium to recover, which was like what 298 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: they did at the time by herself as a little kid. Um. 299 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 1: And that was one of several things that were not 300 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: necessarily his historically or not necessarily likely in the nineteen 301 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties. But boy, was I share I was 302 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: gonna I was gonna get tuberculosis. And then I did 303 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: get scarlet fever, and I was like what, um, And 304 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: then that you know, I got penicillin or whatever, and 305 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: it it was to my knowledge, fine, I'm like, do 306 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: I have you know there can be various lingering things 307 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: from various illnesses that can happen later, like the tendency 308 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: to develop rheumatic fever from especially untreated strap, which was 309 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: something I somehow knew. And there was one time when 310 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: I was a kid. I think I might have told 311 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: this story on the show before UM. I used to 312 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: spend a week with my grandparents in the summer UM 313 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: and I had a sore throat one day at my 314 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: grandparents house and I did not tell them that my 315 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: throat hurt because I was afraid that they would send 316 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: me home and I didn't want. I wanted to spend 317 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: the week with my grandparents, But then also I was 318 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: scared of what if I had STRAP and what if 319 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: I got rheumatic fever and what if I died like 320 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: Beth in Little Women. Ye see, my my fear was 321 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: largely because someone, whether it was one of my older 322 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: siblings or another kid, had kind of given me the 323 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: broad strokes outline of velveteen Rabbit UM, even though I 324 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 1: was not allowed access to it. And then I just 325 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: remember like having covert like promise meetings with my toys 326 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: where I would be like there was this stuffed walrist 327 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: in particular where I was like, if I get scarlet fever, 328 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: here's what we're doing. Like we were not going like 329 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: I had like plans, like where I was going to 330 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: hide them in the house and like all of this crazy. 331 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: I was very very worried for my tid. Yeah. Yeah, 332 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: and it makes sense because I mean that that story 333 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: I found it. I found it very horrifying rereading it 334 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: at the age of for kids. For the record, Tracy 335 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: had to read that part of the show because I 336 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: couldn't even physically myself to myself read it without just bawling. 337 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: Often when we were working on episodes, and there's something 338 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: that I think that that, having worked with you for 339 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: this long might be difficult for you. Sometimes I will 340 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: just I will go through and I'll be like, which 341 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: part of the outline is this going in? Um? And 342 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: I did not do that with the velveteen Rabbit part, 343 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, this book's horrifying, and whichever one 344 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: of us reads this part, I'm going to be like, 345 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: and it's horrifying. And it turned out I read that 346 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: part because it was I couldn't right. And I understand 347 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: I'm not always predictable on those things. Some things You'll 348 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: be like, this will upset you know. I'm like, Okay, 349 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: done something that seems completely benign, like oh, and they 350 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 1: put up a monument in his honor, And I'll be like, 351 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: I can't even say it. I don't know. I don't know. 352 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: We're all creatures with feelings that may or may not 353 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: be predictable at all time. My brain juice has its 354 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: own system. I don't understand it. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, 355 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad that we have antibiotics. They can treat scarlet 356 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: fever at least most of the time. Not great when 357 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: there are shortages at those And as far as I know, 358 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: there has not been a lot of resistance developing in 359 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: the varieties of strepp that usually caused things like strep 360 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: throat and scarlet beaver. There's other stuff that's way more dangerous, 361 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: but fingers crossed that continues to be the case. Uh. Anyway, 362 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: reading various accounts, reading the Nursing Journal right up, that 363 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: was like, oh, and that is pretty much what they 364 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: did in the velveteen Rabbit. I was like, oh, that's 365 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: that was not hyperbole in this book. That was the 366 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: real thing that people would do. So anyway, whatever is 367 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: happening on your weekend. I hope that it's more fun 368 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: having Scarlet Beaver burning a bunch of children toys if 369 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: you want to just be upset about something, if you 370 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 1: can read the velveteen a good cry, and that's a 371 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: perfectly fine trigger. Yeah, we'll be back tomorrow with a 372 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: Saturday classic, and we'll be back next week with brand 373 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: new episodes. M Stuff You Missed in History Class is 374 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: a production of I heart Radio. For more podcasts from 375 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 1: I heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 376 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.