WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 6/25: Early Roster Projections, Potential League Schedule Changes, Offseason Topics 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.040 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:15.760 Lazar and Alex Barth. 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:20.520 Blazarre from Lazarn, Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us always. 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:25.000 By our bar gask. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:27.480 Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars is. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.640 The data skewed because in this one game he was 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.360 struggling this one receiver or this type of receiver that 0:00:32.400 --> 0:00:35.680 maybe we don't have. Like again, okay, the right answer 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:38.040 is not Okay, let's throw a million go balls at 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:38.400 this guy. 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:41.000 It's to get me the cutups of all the go balls. 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:42.239 Let's see why. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.239 This is happening and do we have the assets on 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.879 our roster to be able to take advantage of this? 0:00:48.960 --> 0:00:49.360 Yes or no? 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.240 I think that's exactly okay. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.600 But I think there are some people, and maybe they're 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:54.920 not really the coaches, but I think there are some 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.240 people who look at it, analytics who look at that 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:59.480 and don't go to that second step and say, this 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:02.400 guy sucks against the goal ball bombs away. That's not 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.840 the process and that never will be the process, and 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.200 math can never fill in that groundwork in the middle. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.160 It always comes back to the analytics debate on this show, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.520 doesn't it. Oh yeah, it always does. No matter what 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.039 we talk about for two hours, it always circles back 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:23.440 to talking about math and nerds and analytics. But today 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.679 we are going to talk a lot about roster projections, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:29.560 maybe a little bit of Patriots news here at the 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.480 top of the show, nothing major, but a signing that 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:35.920 we will discuss in the impact of that as well. 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.280 And we'll take your lovely calls and emails here on 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.800 Catch twenty two for the next couple of hours, with 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.000 Alex Bartha over there of course as always, and Evan 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.320 Lazar in the host chair here, and we have our 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.200 roster projection to get to Alex, we want need to 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:55.120 do the defense in your special teams as well here 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:56.680 in a few minutes, so we're going to get to that. 0:01:56.800 --> 0:02:00.840 But before we get to that, we wanted to get 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:02.600 to some of the news off the top of the show. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.280 And no, I will not talk about the Celtics too 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:06.600 much in the show, I promise. 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:06.840 I know. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.760 Let's look here, I know, I know everybody gets all 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.080 up in arms when I talk about something that's not 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.520 Patriots related, even though there's nothing going on in Patriot 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.600 will the Celtics are the talk of the town and 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.600 the Red Sox are playing, but the Bruins just released 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:23.760 New Jersey, so I'm gonna have to buy the misses 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:27.120 of New Jersey probably, So just no, I won't talk 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:27.480 about it. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.400 I have any kind of event you can use to 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.639 like buy one for I'll say this. I was thinking 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.080 about this driving in. This is in a lot of 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.360 ways and people often say this a draft show. We 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:40.239 like talking about the draft. True, the NBA Draft is tonight. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:41.840 That's why it's all the buzz about the Celtics. So 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.680 let's save it till the end, and maybe we'll do so. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:54.240 It's not everybody gets up in arms, stick to footballball. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:51.960 Enjoy the draft. 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:53.120 So at the end of the show we'll do a 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.919 draft minute and what league that draft is about? 0:02:57.200 --> 0:02:57.960 Well, we'll see. 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.320 Well, maybe we can tie it together to the Patriots somehow, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.040 if we're good enough at this. But before we get 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.960 into the roster projection at the top of the show here, 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:10.840 the Patriots did make a signing the other day, signing 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:15.240 ya Seir Durant, offensive lineman. Name might sound familiar. He 0:03:15.280 --> 0:03:18.240 has been here before, who was on the Patriots roster 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.280 in twenty twenty one, actually played in a few games 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.440 and started a game for the Patriots in twenty twenty one. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.240 He has been most recently one of your leagues, the UFL, 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.560 the DC Defenders, the champions of the UFL. 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.880 He can do that your specialty leagues because it is 0:03:33.919 --> 0:03:39.600 your league. Not everybody for football fans at all, it's everybody. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:42.360 There are actually multiple people who are like true football fans, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:42.960 believe it or not. 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.360 So he was on the DC Defenders most recently. He 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.720 won a championship in the UFL, for whatever it's worth, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:53.880 with the DC Defenders. He also, for whatever it's worth, 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.480 was a first team All Pro in that league, the UFL, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:02.760 All UFL and from all for people that actually have 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:06.280 followed that league closely. Yeah, Sir Durant was one of 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.400 the best offensive linemen in the UFL this past season, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:10.680 just based. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.360 Off he was the best left tackle, so he played. 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:14.680 A little bit of left tackle. He played a little 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.719 bit of left guard, but he made the All UFL 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:19.040 team as a left tackle. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.360 Well, no, so he he started out as a guard 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:23.320 last year. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:26.760 And then switched to left tackle halfway through, and then 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.320 he was DC's left tackle all the way through this 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:30.440 year when they won the title. 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.200 So he was he's a player with some NFL pedigree, 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.640 obviously some UFL pedigree as well over the last couple 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:43.320 of seasons. Now there's conversation about Yasir Durant's future and 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:48.320 his viability on this roster, But I also think this 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.080 ties into our conversation that was ongoing last weekend is 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.839 going to be ongoing all summer with this team about 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:58.000 the left guard position in particular, and just depth on 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.479 the offensive line as a whole. And I look at 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:05.200 Yasir Durant, I can't help but connect that a little 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:10.479 bit to the retirement of Wes Schweitzer. You lost your veteran, potential, 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.320 bridgy offensive lineman that could start on this team at 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:17.520 left guard. You bring in another one, it seems like 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.400 in yah Sir Durant, So in my mind, even though 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.400 he played tackle in the UFL, he's played a little 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:23.800 bit of tackle and he's played a little bit of 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.479 guard in his career. The Patriots announced him as a 0:05:26.520 --> 0:05:29.440 tackle for what it's worth when they signed him. But 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.240 in my mind, I look at this as another body, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.599 another name to throw into the hat at this ongoing 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:40.680 left guard competition, basically replacing west Schweitzer as sort of 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.400 the veteran in that room. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.599 Yeah, I think it's a little more than that. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.000 Honestly, this is a guy that played right tackles first 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:52.200 in the NFL, then played guard early when he got 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:55.000 to the UFL, and has played left tackle since they 0:05:55.040 --> 0:05:56.000 have a lack of depth. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:57.480 We talked about this last week. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.920 Unless Marcus Bryant really takes a step forward, they don't 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.800 really have a swing tackle. Vdarian Lowe is only playing 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:08.640 on the left side. Cain Wallace to Mantre Jacobs are 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:12.719 only playing on the right side. Jack Connelly played swing 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.599 in college, but it's just like, where is he at 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:16.440 skill wise? Is he a guy that's and I had 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.039 him on my roster last week, but that was almost 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.480 kind of by default. If I'd had you see Durant 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:21.640 as an option, I would have put him on the 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.680 roster over Jack Connolly because he can play left tackle, 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.599 he can play right tackle, and he can play guard. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:28.360 So the fact that he can give you a backup 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:30.919 in all those spots where they don't really have a 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.120 defined backup I think stands out. I think this is 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:34.840 more than just an optional left guard. I think this 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.279 is a guy that can fill a number of holes 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:38.960 for them on the offensive line. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:41.960 So you see him in that almost like a six 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.880 man type of role where he can play guard and tackle, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.800 maybe move around as a backup and maybe make this roster. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.280 And this was another thing when we were talking about 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.520 the offensive roster projection, which if you didn't hear that, 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.200 that was in last week's show. This is another thing 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.000 that stands out to me about how they can struy 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.240 this fifty three man roster and how they build it. 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:06.080 Do they keep some of these guys that are younger 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:10.040 that have developmental upside while also keeping a guy like 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.280 Yasir Durant, who if somebody gets hurt, then Durant's probably 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.640 your your top backup. And the guy that goes into 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.720 a game, maybe it isn't Marcus Bryant. Maybe Marcus Bryant's 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.960 just here to develop and it's not necessarily here to 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.920 keep him around, you know, to actually get into an 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.680 NFL game as a rookie. And you could maybe say 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.240 the same thing about some of their other players as 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.800 well on this team. So I could see that I 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:40.200 could see, yes, here Durant coming in as on game day, 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.200 we actually view this guy as one of our top backups. 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.000 He's not necessarily in the two to three year plan 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.720 here as a future asset, like some of these younger 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:52.559 linemen are that we drafted recently. But maybe on game day, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.760 if somebody goes down, you know it's yes here Durant 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.120 that steps up. I could see that. I still do 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.840 think he's gonna get a chance to compete at left guard, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:02.640 because I think everybody's gonna get a chance to compet 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.400 at left guard. I think you're gonna see four or 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.960 five different bodies there competing at that spot in training camp. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:12.240 But again it's it's we talked about it yesterday on 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.720 him filtered with poly P and I it's the number 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.440 one thing with the team right now that I have 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:21.440 the biggest concern about is this offensive line. And on paper, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.720 they're definitely better than they were a year ago, there's 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.600 no doubt about that. But they could only have gone 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:29.520 up from last year. They were the worst line in 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:33.560 football buy all intents and purposes. You know pretty much 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.040 every statistical measure thirty one thirty two, thirty one thirty 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:39.440 two in the league. You know, whether it's win raid 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:44.960 or pressures or sacks allowed or PFF passer run blocking grade, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.480 like whatever metric you want to use. They were one 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.880 of the worst in the league. So they just continue 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.720 to shuffle, even if this is back into the roster shuffling, 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.240 looking for as much depth and as much talent at 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.880 that offensive line as they can possibly get. Now, I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.880 know the only a one year deal. The terms were 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.840 not announced, but I doubt it was for high money. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:06.679 My guess is though, is yes, here Durant had a 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.440 little bit of a market. He had a really nice 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:12.040 season in the UFL. Yeah, and I bet you he 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:14.520 had a couple of teams that were paying attention to that. 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:17.720 He decides to sign with the Patriots, so we'll see, 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:21.640 we'll see what ends up happening. But West Sweitzer retires, 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.680 They had the open roster spot as a result of 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.600 west Schweitzer retiring, and they bring in an offensive lineman 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.600 to replace him. I think you can connect the dots 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.120 there with those two things as well anything else on Durant. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:35.320 No, that pretty much covers it all. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.840 Right, let's get into our fifty three man roster projection 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.440 for the defense and the special teams. Will obviously start 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:45.040 on defense and then trickle our way down here. So 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:50.520 starting with the defensive line, Now, I know we always 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.040 joke about this. You get into the weeds of what's 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.280 a defensive lineman, what's an edge defender? Do you even 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.319 like the term edge defender? Now you hate it? 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:01.520 I included this year since Madden put it in the game. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:05.400 I figured, since Madden put it into the game, I 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:09.760 need not because I've been telling you it exists for 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.920 like five years. But now that it's in Madden, it's 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:14.160 finally on your roster. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.120 No, I'll tell you honestly why I did it, And 0:10:16.360 --> 0:10:18.280 this is how I've always felt about edge. I think 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.760 where edge met where that's a useful term, is when 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.240 you go through the draft. There are guys that, depending 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.640 on what team drafts them and what system they'll be 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:31.920 playing in, might be defensive end, might be an outside linebacker. 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.920 So in the absence of system and that context, you 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:36.720 have to call them. 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:37.600 An edge because you don't know. 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.200 The thing that always bugged me is once they're on 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.520 a team, you know what position they're playing because you 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.040 can put them in that system, so it makes it 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.520 a little clearer. But we don't exactly know how this 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:53.200 Rabel system is going to use certain guys, So this 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:54.760 might be a one year thing for me. I might 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.320 go back next year when we have a better look 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:59.400 at this defense, but for the time being, I. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:00.680 Mean on White. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.880 I actually don't know whether or not ke On White 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.840 will profile more as a defensive end or more as 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:06.640 an outside linebacker in this system, So. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.800 You could go either way. So I have use it 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:10.160 this year. 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:14.400 I haven't with the defensive lineman because I I guess 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.239 I I put it two ways. I think it's Alignment's 0:11:18.280 --> 0:11:22.359 obviously the number one thing. If you're gonna be consistently 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.240 in or outside of the tackle, like, that's that's the 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:28.440 line of demarcation to me. Like, if you're lining up 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.200 outside over the tackle, be five technique anything may seven 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.120 to nine whatever, outside of the tackle, then you're like, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.800 you're an edge. To me, you're a pure edge. If 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:39.840 you are a Kean White, who I do think is 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.679 gonna play a bulk of snaps inside the tackles, okay, 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:47.480 then I would say you're more of a defensive lineman. 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:51.440 The other line that I often use is two point 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:52.599 or three point stance. 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.840 So I use that and then I use like, how 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:56.240 often are you dropping in a coverage? 0:11:56.800 --> 0:11:57.000 Yeah? 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.120 Right, You're not gonna drop a defensive lineman in coverage. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.640 Remember, they used to always drop tray Tree Flowers into coverage, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.920 so like that made him seem more like a linebacker. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.480 I liked you liked when they dropped Trey Flowers in 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:08.560 a coverage. 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.960 No, but I did. I didn't mind it as much 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:11.600 as everybody else. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.880 I still remember when they were playing the Steelers and 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.480 this was prime Le'Veon Bell. I don't remember exactly what 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.880 yere it was, but Le'Veon was like the dude. It 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:21.080 was like a third and five and they had tray 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.560 Flowers and man coverage on Le'Veon Bell around midfield, and I'm. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.320 Like, it got a little wonky at times. But I 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.560 when you not that this isn't the point of this 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:32.480 segment of the show, but it's June. When you get 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:38.440 into the simulated pressures in that world, you can see 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.160 why it's advantageous because when he lines up on the 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:45.120 line of scrimmage, most likely with his hand in the dirt, 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.880 the offensive line or the pass blocking has to account 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.360 for him as a rusher right, so that will get 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.880 an alignment to engage him off the snap, which in 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.520 theory could create a free runner someplace else. 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:00.640 So I get doing that sometimes, Like, yeah, it keeps 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.000 the offense off guard. It's more like gotta have it downs. 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:06.480 I'm trying to win with skill. I want my best 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:08.719 players doing to get the best. That was always kind 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:09.480 of how I viewed it. 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.520 They've been very successful in the past though with uh 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:16.560 We're call him replacement blitzes, where the entire like you 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.560 bring an inside linebacker on a blitzer you know, used 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.600 to be like high Tower or Bentley in the past, 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.559 and then he would drop an edge and that just schematically, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:27.920 the tackle is gonna set out to the edge because 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.360 he's hand in the dirt about to rush or in 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:33.120 two point stands about to rush. You have to count 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.840 for that player on the line of scrimmage. So then 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.280 what happens is is like they slide the protection in 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.040 that direction towards the pass rusher and then the linebacker 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.240 just blitz is unblocked through the middle. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:46.760 Because is what Brian Flores is making huge in Minnesota 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:48.720 right now. Yeah, I get that. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.520 I just remember that one play being like in Trey 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:53.400 Fi he was on a heater and I forget who. 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:54.880 This Steelers tackle is, but he was like owning him 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.439 the whole game. It was like, just let him just 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:57.520 let him go get the quarterback. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.480 So getting back to the roster protection defensive lineman, I 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:05.319 have six defensive lineman currently on the fifty three man roster. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.280 Three obvious ones Milton Williams, Christian Barmore, key On White. 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:13.120 Those three guys are locks. I have Kiris Tonga and 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.040 Jeremiah Farms on the team right now, and I have 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.800 Joshua Farmer on the team right now. So that leaves 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:24.080 six guys on No Jacquelin Roy, Tremaine Jones, Javari Rizzi, 0:14:24.600 --> 0:14:26.760 Ziah Eaton or Wilfred Penny. 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.720 He'll stay as an ipp On Patrick quad. But yeah, yeah, 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.080 I have bar More Farmer, Farms, Tonga, Williams, and then 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.040 I have ke On White with the with the edge. 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:41.120 So you have you have Farms too, right, yes at Farms. Yeah, 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.280 this one wasn't really really too difficult for me. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:44.320 Feels pretty cut and dry. 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.440 It feels pretty cut and dry. I didn't really have 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.840 any guys that I felt like I was really fighting 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:52.600 for to keep on the roster. It's gonna be interesting, though, 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:56.200 And I look at the top of this with Williams 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.640 and Barmore, how much are they really gonna truly play 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:02.960 those you guys, are those guys going to be seventy 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.400 five seventy percent snap count type of guys? Because that's 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.320 that's high you know that would be on the lot. Yeah, 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:12.040 for a defensive lineman, I don't know if they have 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:17.320 the interior depth and to really be rotating them a ton. Wait, 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.640 like Millan Williams, and we were talking about this yesterday too. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:25.120 Millon Williams in Philadelphia was I'd call him a rotational player, 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:26.440 I think part times a little strong. 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.160 Yeah, rot rotational player. Well, he was like right around 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:29.920 fifty percent. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.200 Right, so that that's going to be significantly increased with 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:34.560 the Patriots this year. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.760 And he talked about that as introductory press conference. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.600 It'll be interesting to see how that go. That goes 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.320 one of two ways. Either his production follows and it's 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:45.000 just even more production than what he was as a 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.360 fifty percent player, or he's really truly a fifty percent 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:52.080 player that they're now making place seventy percent and his 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:55.680 production goes the other way. I'm willing to bet that 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.480 he continues to be a good player for them, but 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:00.920 as something to monitor with this grew. The other thing 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.280 that I thought was as I was doing this, like 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.080 I continue to kind of feel the same way about 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:11.120 interior run defense. Kiri's Tonga is really the only player 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.880 on this list that they have right now, and Barmore 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.320 at his peaks is carved out a really good run defender. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.440 You know, he's really developed in that phase of his game. 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:25.400 But in terms of like true run stuffers, Kiri's Tonga's 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.320 really it. He's on the team because of that. There's 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.120 really nobody else to put on this team as a 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.160 true nose tackle that can play that role. But if 0:16:33.200 --> 0:16:35.840 I had to say one thing that I think this group, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.760 because I think the group's really good, But if I 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.360 had to think of one thing that this group might 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.600 potentially be a flaw or fatal flaw, it would be 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.240 do they have enough beef on the line of scrimmage 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.640 to stop the run against some of these true power 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.520 run teams. Like if a team comes into a game 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.520 plan and they have the horses to do it and 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:58.640 they say, we're just gonna run it down the Patriots 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.760 throat today, Like that's how we feel like we're gonna 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:03.800 beat them. Are they going to have enough beef to 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:05.600 be able to hold up in that kind of game plan? 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.080 Yeah, it's a fair question. 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.040 We saw this be an issue last year and they've 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.440 lost some size. We've talked about this, you know, them 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:15.879 adding another defensive tackle, like true nose tackle would that 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.080 makes some sense. But they're gonna have to win by 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.280 combination and guys coming down from the second level to 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:21.560 help in those spots. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:24.480 And plays in the backfield. Yeah, I think that's gonna 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.680 be a big part of it. Deuce likes to say 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.040 they're going to stop the run on the way to 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.560 the quarterback. I think that's a big part of it too. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.600 You know, if you make some of those splash plays, 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.119 you get teams into second and longs, then they don't 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:37.879 have the ability to run the football as much. And 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:40.560 maybe that's how you get yourself out of worrying about that. 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:45.000 So that's a defensive line. Williams Barmore, White Farmer, Tonga Farms. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.480 I think we're all on the same page there. Moving 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.320 on to the edge defenders. Love that this is a 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:51.840 thing for you now that I'm. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.320 Glad that you for this year. We'll signal come around 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:54.880 for this year. 0:17:55.119 --> 0:18:00.879 So edge defenders right now, I have Harold Landry Chase on, 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:06.560 Anthony Jennings, Braiden swinsonaves Elijah Ponder the UDFA as of 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:10.560 right now, on the outside looking in, I didn't really 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:15.280 have very many issues with this one either. I hope 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:17.520 that Swinson shows us a little bit more in the summer. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:17.920 Yeah. 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:20.919 I didn't necessarily think that he had a bad spring. 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:22.919 I think that would be going too far. He just 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:25.680 didn't have a noticeable spring. I hope he's more noticeable 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:30.760 in the summer. I am still circling Anthony Jennings on 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:32.879 this roster. I just I don't know if he's a 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:36.040 fit and what they're gonna try to do schematically, I'm 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.840 not sure if there's a role for him on this team. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.679 So maybe Ponder ends up coming on a little bit 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.000 in the summertime. He's a little bit more their type 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.679 in terms of the body type and the style of play. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.800 Maybe he's someone that could push Jennings here eventually. But 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:53.880 that was my group as of right now, And again 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:55.560 I do want to see a little bit more from 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.080 Braiden Swinson. Maybe I just need to notice him more. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:18:59.320 Maybe it's not nothing he did. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.160 I mean, it's it's just tough for any edge guy, 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:02.720 and he wasn't out there a ton in the spring. 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.760 He's just kinda behind. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.520 I mean, it seems like that top group is Keon White, Kaylevon, 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.520 Chase On, Harold Landry, Yeah, on the edge. So I 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.520 had those three Swinson, I save Anthony jennings On. I 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.000 know a lot of people took him off just because 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:20.119 of his usage in the spring, but when he was 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:21.520 out there, even though he was with the second unit, 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:25.239 when he was out there, he was dominating. And this 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.159 team just can't afford to move on from players with 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:30.840 that talent. And you find a role for a guy 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.679 like that. Now, maybe he gets traded. They can't be 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.040 cutting a guy with that kind of ability. I just 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.479 don't think they can. I think he's too good. So 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.639 for now I have him on the team and they'll 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.080 find something for him to do. 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:42.800 I trust that. 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:46.119 I'm with you. He's one of their best fifty three players. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.840 Now I had him as player fifty one to fifty three. 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:51.159 Fair enough, But because it is, the fit is a 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.320 little weird. But I just again, I don't think they 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.240 can move on from a player with that level of talent. 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:58.320 He's he's one of their best fifty three players. 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:00.960 So I'll hired me might be one of their best, 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.200 like twenty players. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.240 Even if he's not a great system fit. To your point, 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.959 they don't have enough guys that I'm like, excuse me, 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:13.080 I need to find a role for so and so. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:13.159 So. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.040 I can't keep Anthriny Jennings. From a talent standpoint, it's 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:18.679 a no brainer. He's one of their better players. You 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:23.600 can't just move on from that. I just wonder him 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:25.320 and Tavai are the two guys that I just can't 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.719 really wrap my head around in this defense. I just 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.199 don't know where they belong in this group. I have 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.640 them both on right now, just to get to the linebackers, 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.880 you know, Roberts, Bullayne, Christian Ellis, Jelina to Via, Jack 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.880 Gibbons is my group right now. Obviously Marte Maphu could 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.240 have a conversation here about him now that he's officially 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.040 a linebacker. We're gonna have to see that in the summertime. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.320 Joly deVie is the same thing to me as Anthrony Jennings. 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:50.840 Do I think he's a system fit? 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:51.040 No? 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.800 Do I think he's one of their best fifty three players. Yes, 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:57.000 and until one of these guys, whether it's Mapu, whether 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:00.119 it's Elijah Ponder, whether it's a you know, one of 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.760 the younger guys, one of the rookies. You know, someone's 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.560 gonna have to push those guys off the roster to 0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.200 just say they're not system fits, so they're not good 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.240 enough to be on this team. Right, I don't think 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:13.240 we're there yet. Who are your linebackers? 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.080 I Christian Ellis, Jack Gibbons, Robert Splain and Gelani Tova. 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.480 And when it comes down to me, and we've kind 0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:24.160 of talked about this before, do they want somebody different 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:25.600 than what they have at the top of the depth 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.679 chart and Splaine and Ellis to run down hill and 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:31.560 stop the run and help them in situational roles, or 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:33.560 do they just want another guy that adds more depth 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.240 of what they have. If it's the former, If they 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.800 want just one run stopper, it's t Vi. If they 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.320 just want more depth behind Ellis and Splain, then there's 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:43.160 a stronger. 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:46.119 Case for Marte Mapu. But I think they'll want something different. 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.000 I think they'll want some more size there and then 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.879 Marte Mapu maybe can stick on the practice squad. 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:52.000 Honestly, I'm with you. 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.440 I also just feel like with Tavia, if there were 0:21:56.480 --> 0:22:00.679 to be an injury to Splain specifically, which, Yeah, when 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.920 you look at this group right now, if Splaine gets hurt, 0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:06.960 then they're not in great shape. In my opinions, Splaine's 0:22:07.000 --> 0:22:09.159 kind of a lynchpin right now. This linebacker group. You 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.280 need Splaine to be the one hundred and twenty plus 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:14.280 tackle guy that he has been in Vegas the last 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:15.920 couple of years. That's what you signed, That's what you 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.280 need him to do. But if he got hurt in 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.520 his estimas time, the guy with the experience and with 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.919 the really the NFL game experience to be able to 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.240 go out there and play seventy snaps in an NFL 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.480 game is July to Via like he's the guy that 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.200 has that kind of experience. And I guess you could 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:35.600 say the same thing about Jennings. So for that reason, 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:39.240 I think he's here for the time being. The Mapu thing, 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:41.800 you know, fascinates me. I've been saying since the day 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.800 they drafted him that he's a linebacker and not a safety. 0:22:45.160 --> 0:22:47.160 I got where they were going with him playing him 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:49.760 at safety in the old system. There's a lot of 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:53.400 overlap with those hybrid safeties and linebackers in today's NFL. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:56.720 It wasn't like it was we're gonna make this linebacker 0:22:56.760 --> 0:22:59.240 into a corner like they were making him into a position. 0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:01.920 That made some sense, but him playing at the second 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:05.240 level of the defense as a modern linebacker is still 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.399 the best path to him sticking in the league in 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:11.080 my opinion. He's still two twenty two twenty five with 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:14.240 good length. So even though he's not two hundred and 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:18.600 fifty pounds for today's measurements, in today's body types, at 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.439 that position, he's right there. If he bulkes up to 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:24.000 like two twenty five to two thirty, he's the size 0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.400 of most linebackers in today's NFL at that size, six three, 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.359 two thirty is an NFL linebacker. Now, what it allows 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:34.520 you to do. You have a lot of coverage flexibility. 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.720 I think that's the main thing. Whether it's him playing 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.480 man to man against certain guys you know, running backs, 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:43.920 tight ends that thing, or dropping into his own coverages 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.680 high stress zone coverages. He just gives you a lot 0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:50.640 of that kind of versatility where he's a linebacker basically 0:23:50.680 --> 0:23:52.760 like a safety type, Like he's a linebacker in a 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.640 safety body. So he's gonna have some coverage up side. 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.240 Is he gonna be able to get to that point 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.879 where he was at Sack State though, where he was 0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:02.440 flying around. 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:04.360 Well, so that's the thing you talk about, he's got 0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:05.240 to put this weight on. 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:09.439 It's not necessarily as simple as putting the weight on 0:24:10.640 --> 0:24:12.800 and then just like all right, I have this weight on, 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:13.640 I'm playing the same weight. 0:24:13.720 --> 0:24:15.439 Like when you put weight on, how does it impact 0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:16.320 your movement ability? 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:16.760 Right? 0:24:16.800 --> 0:24:18.680 So that's where the question is that he can get 0:24:18.720 --> 0:24:21.040 up to two thirty and still fly around like that, Yeah, 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.760 he's going to be a contributing player. He gets up 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:26.640 to two thirty and then slows him down a step, Well, 0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.439 then what good was putting on the weight because now. 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.160 He's lost was his best, best trait, which was his explosiveness. 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.720 Now, maybe it helps that he's playing more at the 0:24:34.760 --> 0:24:38.040 second level and maybe he's more natural in that spot 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.960 and has more experience in that spot. Dating back to college. 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.520 The other thing with him in terms of flying around, 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:48.080 he just wasn't reading the field very well playing safety. 0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:49.920 I didn't think he saw the field very well. I 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.720 don't think he processed the game very well from that spot. 0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.600 A lot of misdirection and a lot of things eyes 0:24:55.640 --> 0:24:58.960 in the backfield, you know, tunnel vision, Like he just 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.920 wasn't seeing the game very well. And if you don't 0:25:02.920 --> 0:25:06.400 have that instinct, then you don't have that processing ability. 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:08.960 You're not gonna play fast. You're you're you're not gonna 0:25:08.960 --> 0:25:13.240 play fast. So that's why guys that aren't particularly fast 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.000 can play faster. Like I don't think Robert Splaine is 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.520 like this tremendous athlete, but when then you watch him 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.159 play it, and uh, the NFL like he is a 0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:25.479 great sideline to sideline tackler because he plays so quickly 0:25:25.720 --> 0:25:29.119 and he's processing things so quickly. So for Marte Mapu, 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:32.399 I have less concern about him having the athleticism to 0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:35.520 be a rangy linebacker and more concerned about is he 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:38.119 going to see the game to be a rangy linebacker. 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:40.520 For whatever reason, it just didn't click with him from 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.359 a mental standpoint. There's certain games that I just have 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.679 stuck in my head of misdirection and things like that 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.840 caught catching him off guard. Remember that game was it 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.760 was two years ago in Miami where Tyreek Hill just 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.080 ran right by him. He was in like a quarters 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.040 and like you just have the deep part of the 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.360 field and he just got his eyes glued into some 0:25:59.400 --> 0:26:02.240 eye candy in the backfield and just let number ten, 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.840 like the one player you can't let run by you 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:07.080 just ran right by him. Like things like that just 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.800 have consistently happened with Marte Mapu that if he's gonna 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:12.600 stick around and he's gonna take that next step, he's 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.400 gonna have to process the game faster. And I think 0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:17.040 that's really fascinating with him because a lot of his 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:20.560 teammates credit him for being a really smart football player 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:23.040 and a guy that can wear the green dot and 0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:25.479 communicate and all that kind of stuff, but he just 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:28.680 hasn't translated in terms of his actual post snap processing. 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:33.600 So that'll be big for Mapu. Any any hope at 0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.760 all for Monty Rice or cam Riley, We didn't mention 0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:36.640 them with linebacker. 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:39.359 Cam Riley made a couple of plays in the spring. 0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:40.560 That's a past break up. 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:41.679 We'll see. Keep an eye on. 0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:46.520 Him, all Right, to corners. I have six corners currently 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:51.040 on the roster, Christian Gonzales and Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones, 0:26:51.119 --> 0:26:56.680 Alex Austin, Marcella's Dial, Isaiah Boulden, So that six leaves DJ, 0:26:56.760 --> 0:27:00.320 James Miles, Battle Kobe minor, Brandon Crossley and Jordan pulk 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:05.040 Off the roster, but Gonzo, Davis, Jones, Austin, Dial, Bolden. 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.800 Yeah, same group, same group for me. 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.240 I think Alex Austin's the key to this group in 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:12.000 the sense, not that he's the best player, but like 0:27:12.000 --> 0:27:16.240 in the sense that you're gonna have Gonzalez and Davis 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.159 on the outside, you're gonna Marcus Jones in the slot. 0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:20.639 If Alex Austin we saw him in the slot a 0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.320 decent amount in the spring. If he can be your 0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:26.200 third boundary corner and your backup slot corner, that kind 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.840 of saves you a spot, and it opens up an 0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.359 opportunity to keep a guy like Isaiah Boulden maybe for 0:27:31.440 --> 0:27:34.040 special teams purposes, right, And that's not to say he 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.800 won't play some corner, but we saw them finally mix 0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:38.879 him in a little bit with the kick returners this spring. 0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:42.840 Marcella's Dial kind of same thing. But you should be 0:27:42.840 --> 0:27:46.080 able to get through the season mainly with four corners, 0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:48.320 and then it gives you some more flexibility with those 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:48.720 other two. 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.840 So the one guy that maybe had some questions again 0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:55.959 about scheme fit. They've talked a lot about size at 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.479 the nickels spot. But I don't think Marcus Jones going anywhere. 0:27:59.600 --> 0:27:59.639 No. 0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.359 I think Marcus Jones is a lock on this team. 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.280 To me, he's probably their starting true nickel corner. You know, 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:11.080 they probably will have a safety nickel as well that 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:13.760 they go to in those big packages. But when you 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:17.280 just talk about traditional three cornerback nickel right now, Marcus 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:20.200 Jones is the guy in the slot. To me, he's 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.480 just too good in man coverage. He's too strappy, he's 0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:26.920 too opportunistic with his playmaking ability as well, it's too dynamic, 0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.160 like he's just such a dynamic athlete and a dynamic player. 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.080 And then you add on to that the punt return ability. 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.840 He's team more than has a role on this. 0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:38.720 You know, will they ultimately re sign him at the 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.000 end of the year in his contracts up? 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.480 I don't know. That's where you get into more that 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:44.400 do we want to invest in this player with our scheme? 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.320 But he's not a guy you rush out the door. 0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:51.200 Right Alex Austin, we talked so much about that Jason mccordy, 0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:54.360 third cornerback, outside corner roll. That to me is Alex Austen. 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:57.440 You know, Carlon Davis and Christian Zalizer can be your starters. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:00.000 Is there a chance that you need a third outside 0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.320 corner in that group? Maybe Gonzalez is shadowing somebody that 0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:05.560 plays a lot inside that week, and so you need 0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:08.120 a third body out there. Maybe one of those guys 0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:10.360 gets dinged up at some point and you need him 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:12.880 to spot start or something like that. So I don't 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.760 know if Alex Austin's a lock, but whatever is below lock, 0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:19.160 he's like right in that next category of pretty securely 0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:22.200 on the roster. Dial I like his versatility. I still 0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:24.800 think Dial could play some safety or play some slot 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.520 as well some special teams. And same thing with Bolden. 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.120 I think Bolden's are going to be a really good 0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:33.720 special teamer in this league if he continues to develop 0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:36.840 not only just as a returner but also as a 0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:39.040 coverage guy. You know, a guy that can cover kicks. 0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.000 I think he has a really high future with that. 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.520 So I have all six of those guys on the 0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:49.000 team there at cornerback safety this one. Again, I could 0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:53.000 hear arguments from some of these other guys on this group, 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.960 but as of right now, I have four safeties. Kyle Duggar, 0:29:56.040 --> 0:30:00.000 Jabrill Peppers, Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins, Marcus EPs, Dealt 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.360 Pettis and Josh Minkins are the guys off the roster 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.120 as of right now. If you wanted to make the 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.200 case for Epster Pettis, I could, I could hear it. 0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:11.120 I wouldn't be opposed to it. But Duger and Peppers, 0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:14.600 in my opinion, have one more year. They have one 0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:17.160 more year as the incumbent starters. I think they're gonna 0:30:17.160 --> 0:30:19.280 play a lot if healthy. I don't think there's any 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:23.200 real argument there. If they have another down year by 0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.600 their standards, especially Duger in twenty twenty five, maybe we're 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.640 talking about a different direction in twenty twenty six. But 0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:33.320 as of right now, because of the extensions they just signed, 0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:35.600 because of the year from hell that they both just 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:39.280 had essentially last year, Let's see if Dougger can get healthy, 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.640 Let's see if Peppers can get his life in order. Yeah, 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:45.240 and you know, let's move forward with these two guys 0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:46.560 and hope that they're the players we thought. 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.240 Well, Peppers was banged up too, especially when he came 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:51.760 back last year, So you know, you hope if the 0:30:51.760 --> 0:30:53.320 two of them are healthy, we know what they can do. 0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:54.880 The two of them are healthy, that's one of the 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.320 best safety combinations in football. I like what I saw 0:30:57.320 --> 0:30:59.760 from Craig woods in this spring. Jalen Hawkins is going 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:01.600 to make the team. They were just giving him so 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:03.920 many opportunities in the spring. I don't think that's ultimately 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:09.960 what his role will look like because Dugger wasn't out 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.880 there right now, we'll change things. I left del Pettis 0:31:13.880 --> 0:31:18.040 off items my fifty fourth player probably could make the 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:20.560 argument to keep him over, maybe like Marcella style for 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:23.360 special teams. But yeah, that group comes down to Duggar 0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:25.720 and Peppers. Where are they at they do they take 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:28.520 a step forward, and can they bounce back? 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.960 After look last year, I don't think it was an accurate. 0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:34.680 Reflection of either of their true skill sets. But you know, 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:36.640 it can be tough to bounce back in the NFL. 0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:37.960 You're another year older. Now. 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.360 It'll be interesting to see where they're at, especially to me, 0:31:40.520 --> 0:31:43.280 especially Douger, just because he's you know, still banged up 0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:44.600 and didn't practice the spring. 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:48.480 I'm hopeful that Craig Woodson can make those guys right, 0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.480 you know, like if Craig Woodson can play in the 0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.080 deep part of the field. Yeah, and then Kyle Dugger 0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.680 can play more in that box robber role or maybe 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.160 over the slot a little bit, and Peppers can play 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.240 closer the Line's like, if you can get those guys 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:06.120 into their natural homes, so to speak, then I think 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.400 that this group is still has the potential to be really, 0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:12.160 really good. I still don't love it when it's bass, nickel, 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:16.360 base defense, Dugger and Pepper's up top and that's your tandem. 0:32:16.520 --> 0:32:20.560 I don't love that together. I still have concerns about 0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:24.280 if they're too similar to one another, and if they 0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:27.920 both really belong closer to the line of scrimmage, are 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:32.200 they going to be complimentary enough. When Devin McCarty retired, 0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.080 we talked about it a ton. I talked to Devin 0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.360 about it. I wrote about it with some of the 0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.560 quotes that he had about how they used to be 0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.280 so the puzzle pieces used to fit together really nicely. 0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.800 Back there, it was McCarty, it was Chung, it was harmon, 0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:47.040 and they were able to just play off of each 0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:49.760 other so well. Once those other guys started to age 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.200 out a little bit, it was McCardy and Duggart for 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.320 a couple of years there where you have a true 0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:56.600 free safety, you have a true strong safety, if you 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.080 want to call it that box safety, and it all 0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:02.200 just fit together really nicely. I still don't know if 0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:05.400 Pepper's and Dugger fit together that well. But if Woodson 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:07.840 can be the third guy in and he can be 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:09.560 that guy that frees them up to do the rest 0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.320 of that type of stuff, then maybe you save that 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:14.120 a little bit. Maybe you get back to that a 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.680 little bit. It'll be interesting to see about that fourth 0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:18.360 spot though. Right now I have Hawkins. I think we 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.520 both have Hawkins right as the fourth safety making the team. 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:25.040 But epstin Pettis have a chance like they're definitely not. 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:28.320 That's not set in stone by any means. Epps has 0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.320 played games in the NFL, kind of like Hawkins, like, 0:33:30.360 --> 0:33:32.400 sort of like a journeyman safety, has played in the league, 0:33:32.680 --> 0:33:36.400 has started in the league. Pettis had a promising rookie season, 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:38.760 if you want to call it Dad as a UDFA. 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.400 I just wonder with Pettis if you can just get 0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.920 them onto the Prata squad. I don't know if there's 0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.440 gonna be a ton of market for del Pettis right now, 0:33:47.080 --> 0:33:50.480 based off of the Patriots you know their roster and 0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:56.160 where their roster's at, so that that's a safety group. Defensively, 0:33:57.440 --> 0:33:59.800 I think I skewed a little bit heavier towards offense 0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:03.720 in terms of numbers. Here, let me do a quick 0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:08.640 math for you. So I had twenty four defensive players 0:34:08.640 --> 0:34:10.279 on my roster and. 0:34:10.239 --> 0:34:12.960 I had I had twenty five and twenty five. I 0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:14.680 didn't even split. I didn't even mean to do that, 0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:15.439 but I did. 0:34:16.239 --> 0:34:19.160 So I had twenty four and twenty five based off 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:19.959 of my quick math. 0:34:20.320 --> 0:34:22.400 Oh, did you count schooler as a specialist. 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.120 Yes, so I'll get to that. 0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:25.680 You're really twenty four and twenty six. 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.920 Yeah, so a little bit heavier to defense then, I guess. Yeah, 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:33.080 so that that's the offense of the defense. Looking at 0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:36.200 special teams, ye, your special teams. 0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.640 Okay, you just like disparaging a bunch of fans for 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:40.520 no reason when you do that. 0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.200 I don't know why why you find that. 0:34:42.440 --> 0:34:44.719 I just like, I just like doing it to annoy you. 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:49.399 Bryce Berenger at punter that that's not a surprise. Julian 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:53.600 Ashby had long snapper also not a surprise. I understand 0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.040 why they're they're keeping this competition going and I understand 0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.919 why Parker Romo is here. But Andy Borgallis is gonna 0:34:59.920 --> 0:35:02.600 be the kicker? Yeah, I don't think that's that that's 0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.360 really a question. So Parker Roma maybe sticks around on 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.720 the practice squad as an emergency kicker, filling in practice 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:11.279 at times. That's often happens during the season to not 0:35:11.640 --> 0:35:14.960 put the tax on the leg Bargalis during practice during 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.479 the week. So Parker Roma sticks around in the practice squad, 0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:18.919 But Andy is going to be the kicker. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.200 Yeah? Do you do a do you do a bubble? 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.200 I do a bubble. Oh and by the way, Brandon's 0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:25.360 schooler coverage? 0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:26.640 I had him with the safeties. 0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:29.120 Is Brandon school the best special teamer in the NFL? 0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.040 Who's the All Pro last year? Brand's school? 0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:34.279 Yeah he's I think he's the best special teamer. 0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:34.759 I think he is. 0:35:35.239 --> 0:35:36.960 There's a is he still with the Jets? There's the 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.719 other I think he's with the Jets. There's another one 0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.320 probably was the second team All Pro. 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:44.960 There's a guy there's Isn't there a guy in the 0:35:45.040 --> 0:35:49.080 Chargers too? JT. Gray from the safety or second team 0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:49.640 last year. 0:35:49.719 --> 0:35:50.839 Yeah, he's a good player too. 0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:52.080 Yeah, there's another guy. 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:53.720 I want to say is with the Jets. That's also 0:35:54.080 --> 0:35:56.200 a good special teamer. But I think the schooler's got him. 0:35:56.360 --> 0:35:59.080 Uh I do I do a bubble or did a bubble? 0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:04.759 So my as of right now Marte Mapu, Del Pettis, 0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:11.160 Leyden Robinson, Jayvon Baker, Land Larrison, who I head off, 0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:14.360 and then I just put tight end three? Okay, if 0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:15.960 they're going to carry a third tight end or not 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.840 a third tight end, I think is a bubble type. 0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:21.280 Of So I do my bubble like I like March Madness, 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.000 where it's like, you know how they do like last 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:24.560 four in, next four out? Whatever? 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:27.240 Yes, so my last three so this is essentially players 0:36:27.239 --> 0:36:29.560 fifty one, fifty two and fifty three. This isn't the 0:36:29.680 --> 0:36:31.200 order of how good they are, but it's the order 0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:34.520 of like where I kept them Anthony Jennings, Jack Connolly, 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.720 Gelawni Tavai and then my first three off were Dell Pettis, 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:40.160 Marcus Bryant, and Ben Brown. 0:36:40.560 --> 0:36:43.560 Yeah, so we're similar. You're a little higher on Ben 0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.800 Brown than I am. It's not so much that I 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:46.960 think Ben Brown's a bad play. 0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:48.480 He got a lot more reps than I thought he 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:50.760 would just spring now, granted that was with Jared Wilson limited. 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.400 But I also still think if Jared Wilson wins the 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:54.200 starting job. 0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:55.960 In camp, which I think he can do if he's healthy. 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:56.359 Now. 0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:58.319 I originally came up with this take before he found 0:36:58.320 --> 0:36:59.840 out he was dealing with some sort of injury. But 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:03.480 if he's fully healthy by July twenty third, I think 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.440 he can win the starting job. I don't know if 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:09.160 Garrett Bradbury stays as the backup. I he might just 0:37:09.200 --> 0:37:11.680 be a guy that's, you know, a seven year veteran, 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.319 has never he started every game he's played, and I 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.719 believe in the in the NFL, does he say, hey, 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.439 let me go somewhere where I'm gonna a chance, Because 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.520 once Jared Wilson's starter, he's the starter, right, You're not 0:37:20.640 --> 0:37:24.600 continuing that competition. And if they were to do that, well, now, 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:26.840 Ben Brown's clearly the backup center. I think Ben Brown's 0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:28.480 a good backup center. I thought he was, you know, 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:30.200 okay as the starter last. 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:31.200 Year all things considered. 0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:32.839 Yeah, for most of the season he tailed off. 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:35.160 He tailed off at the end, but like I would 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:36.799 be fine with him as the backup. So I'm not 0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:39.040 he's gonna be in the mix all the way through. 0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.319 I also wonder if they just haven't played little guard, because, 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:43.799 like you said, everybody's gonna compete there, and you know. 0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:46.640 He's a physical football player. He is a smart football player. 0:37:46.840 --> 0:37:48.000 That's the best argument I've heard. 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.399 So he's he's gonna be in the mix, like he's 0:37:50.400 --> 0:37:52.560 not somebody we can just forget about it, even though 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:55.000 he might be the third center right now, and usually 0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:56.959 you're not talking about the third center as a guy 0:37:57.880 --> 0:37:59.520 that's really in the mix for a roster spot. The 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.160 other thing is, if Jared Wilson plays left guard, what 0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.239 does that mean about Cole Strange. If that means Cole 0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:07.920 Strange isn't here, well, now you still need a backup 0:38:07.960 --> 0:38:11.320 center behind Bradbury, which again would be Ben Brown. So 0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:14.239 he's he's more in the mix than it seems like 0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:14.960 at first glance. 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.560 I think that's a fair take. I hadn't really thought 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:22.000 about because at this point, and granted, we have a 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:23.719 long way to go, and I know we say that 0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:27.200 all the time, but it just has to be said. Yeah, 0:38:27.320 --> 0:38:31.800 I look at it as the odds of Jared Wilson 0:38:33.280 --> 0:38:37.360 coming back from this injury and then beating out Garrett 0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:39.919 Bradbury and training camp with really essentially not a very 0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.600 much of a spray, Like he was extremely limited in 0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.560 the spray, So he's playing catch up come August. So 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:50.560 beating out Garrett Bradbury in season might be one thing, 0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:53.239 But beating out Garrett Bradbury for Week one against the 0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:56.319 Las Vegas Raiders, I think is gonna be lofty. I'm 0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.640 not rolling out, especially when you put into this equation 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.160 that Jared Wilson's already a one year starter in college. 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.280 That's a twenty one year old prospect, Like he's already 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.840 a young guy as it is in terms of center 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:10.680 prospects go like most centers prospects that come in the 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.440 league have been playing center for like four or five 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.520 years in college. So the fact that this guy started 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:19.200 one season at Georgia is twenty one going on twenty two, 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.880 and then really didn't have a spring where he was 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.080 participating fully, I just think it's a lotty to expect 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:27.200 him to then go out and beat a veteran center 0:39:27.200 --> 0:39:28.040 like Gared Bradbury. 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:31.160 It's not just about Wilson either, Like Bradbury took a 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:33.600 step back last year, he's on the older side. He 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.719 takes another step back this year, like does he come 0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:36.520 back to Wilson? 0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.520 I see what you're saying. The one argument I would 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.719 have for Wilson is that there's no doubt about it 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.319 that his physical traits are beyond Bradbury's at this point. 0:39:48.360 --> 0:39:52.640 Like Bradbury is undersized, he gets picked on in pass protection, 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.800 like that's a real concern with his game. Jared Wilson's 0:39:55.880 --> 0:40:00.920 much more bigger, sturdier, more athletic at this point of 0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.400 his career then Bradbury is. I just think the experience 0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:07.440 is gonna end up winning out there, because not that 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.640 he's a quarterback like Drake may was last year, but 0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:11.480 with any rookie, like you don't want to just throw 0:40:11.480 --> 0:40:13.480 the rookie into the fire unless you have to. Yeah, 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.840 And I don't think they're gonna have to be in 0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:18.719 a position where Bradbury's so bad that they have to 0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:21.719 push Jared Wilson into the starting lineup right away. But 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.200 maybe Ben Brown sticks around on the practice squad two. 0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:27.400 Now that's possible because not a lot of teams carry 0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.200 like a true backup center anymore on their roster. They 0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:33.560 might carry a guy that could play some center in 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.880 a pinch, like a cold strange who could play center 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:40.400 in a pinch, but just a purely one position backup center. 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.480 You don't see that too often in the league. That's 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.960 usually now a practice squad spot. So maybe that's Ben 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:46.960 Brown on the practice squad because I'm with you on 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:49.240 Ben Brown in general. I didn't think he was awful 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:52.359 last year. I thought he was if he was your 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.920 biggest problem on the offensive line last year, your offensive 0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:56.799 line would have been better than would have ended up 0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.320 being like they had much bigger issues and excuse me, 0:41:00.360 --> 0:41:03.280 than Ben Brown at center. So that's your roster projection. 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.839 If you want to weigh in on our roster projections 0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:07.879 and you think that we're wrong or you think we're 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.960 right or whatever, be sure to do so. The email address, 0:41:12.120 --> 0:41:13.880 which is right. I want to point this out. It's 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:15.920 right there at the bottom of the screen. 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So my question today is who is the 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.560 as far as like who you guys have in making 0:41:57.600 --> 0:42:00.120 the fifty three men roster, who do you think you 0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.280 guys most polarizing player is. And I'll give you my answer, 0:42:03.400 --> 0:42:06.560 like I'm mold over two players, one on offense, one 0:42:06.560 --> 0:42:10.160 on defense. On defense, that was Kyle Dugger for me, 0:42:10.280 --> 0:42:14.160 But on offense, I think it's and I keep bringing 0:42:14.160 --> 0:42:16.520 this guy up. I think it's Cole Strange. And this 0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:19.560 is what the caveat of take the quarterback out because 0:42:19.680 --> 0:42:23.080 obviously your quarterback is more oftentimes than not, your most 0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.719 polarizing player. But to me, Cole Strange is like the 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.239 is the key to the whole offensive line, Like if 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:32.040 he's going to be twenty seventy in the next month, 0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:36.239 and for me, like you know, twenty seven to thirty two, 0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.239 those are your prime year set an NFL player. You 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:42.160 have the experience. Even though he's been injured but like 0:42:42.160 --> 0:42:45.560 you have the experience of going through a system or systems, 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:50.400 and you know, just if he's able to kind of 0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.719 put it all together this year and really solidify that 0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:55.680 spot up as left guard, you know, maybe he gets 0:42:55.680 --> 0:43:00.480 a contract expansion, but more so, like you know, Will 0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:02.759 Will Campbell's going to have his ups and downs as 0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:05.000 a rookie. You know it's gonna happen. He's not going 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.560 to come in and be prime Joe Thomas' first year. 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.200 But if Strange can kind of capture that lightning in 0:43:12.200 --> 0:43:14.600 the bottle that he had in twenty twenty three where 0:43:14.600 --> 0:43:18.279 he statistically had his best season and can build off 0:43:18.280 --> 0:43:22.960 of that, Like I said that really to me, I know, 0:43:23.280 --> 0:43:27.680 like you'll have questions at center, but like that kind 0:43:27.680 --> 0:43:31.840 of solidifies the offensive life more, you know, more or less. 0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.799 And I just wanted to get your guys opinion on that. 0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:36.600 I'll take it out fair guys, Thanks, Patti. 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:39.480 Yeah, Cole Strange is a fair answer. It's a fair answer. 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.680 He's going into year four as the last year of 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.120 his rookie contract. They obviously did not pick up the 0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.440 fifth year option for pretty obvious reasons, so he's in 0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.719 a contract year. Whether he plays left guard center. He's 0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:52.319 gonna have to play it at a pretty good level 0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.120 to be here beyond this season and maybe even be 0:43:55.200 --> 0:43:57.400 here this season. I still am not ruling out Cole 0:43:57.440 --> 0:44:00.239 Strange is not even making the team, that's right. So 0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:04.439 that's definitely a good one. I would say the most polarizing, 0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:06.160 Like when I hear polarized. 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.759 We so like polarizing that we have them on the roster, 0:44:07.960 --> 0:44:10.439 or just who's the most polarizing player on the team, 0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.160 because like that's two different things. 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:14.480 Right, So I when I hear polarizing, I think of 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:17.000 like controversial, to be honest with you, or like just 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:19.319 a bane of people's existence in some type of way. 0:44:19.920 --> 0:44:21.919 I'm gonna have to say Jalen Polk, Like I feel 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.120 like Jalen Polk right now. 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:24.279 You don't have him on the team. I don't have 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:25.840 him on the He said that we have on the team. 0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:27.600 Someone that we have on this So, like I was 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.400 gonna say, I just think like when I hear that, 0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:31.560 it's like, well, so my first reaction was like, all right, 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.040 polarizing in terms of like people are gonna agree or 0:44:34.080 --> 0:44:37.520 disagree with me having him on. It's Kendrick Bourne, Who's 0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.280 weirdly one of the most polarizing players on this team. 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:42.359 A lot of what I hear people complain about about 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.880 Kendrick Bourne, I'm like, are you sure you're talking about 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:45.359 eighty four? 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:47.359 Are you sure you're talking about that guy? 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:51.399 Well, their complaints are that he's not a wide receiver one, 0:44:51.680 --> 0:44:53.680 and no one's saying that he is, Like, no one 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:54.480 has made that art. 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:58.040 No, He's just like a solid, complimentary player. He's experienced 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:02.000 with the quarterback, he's experienced with the offensive. He's got 0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.920 a little juice I don't know, like I And for 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:07.919 all the stuff I hear about him being a bad 0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.120 locker room guy outside of the Patricia year, there's not 0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:11.759 much evidence of that, And I kind of throw that 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:16.319 out because it was that year. So I think he'd 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.960 be a good useful player to keep on this team. 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:20.920 He's not gonna solve every problem they have a wide receiver, 0:45:21.320 --> 0:45:22.680 but I think he'd be a good useful player to 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:24.120 keep on this team. But people seem to have like 0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:26.800 a real real problem with him being on the roster. 0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:32.640 I think the main reason why is there's sort of 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.320 this like attachment that I think that gets attached to 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:40.279 Kendrick Bourne. Of like the mediocrity that's been that room, right, 0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:44.480 and yeah, last year specifically, he was supposed to be 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.279 the veteran in the room, he was supposed to be 0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:49.880 the leader. I don't necessarily think that he had anything 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.000 to do with a lot of what went on, but 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.120 maybe you think it did in terms of the immaturity 0:45:55.160 --> 0:45:56.640 and some of the stuff that went on with that 0:45:56.760 --> 0:46:00.640 room last year. Maybe you think that he's shoulders some 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.720 of that responsibility as the as a more veteran player, 0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:05.440 that he should have been more of the adult in 0:46:05.440 --> 0:46:08.440 the room and a better leader to his younger teammates. Fine. 0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.000 I think the other thing is is that for a 0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:15.000 while there, especially let's call it twenty three, twenty two, 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.600 twenty three, like he was higher on the depth chart 0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:19.839 than he should have been. So I don't think it's 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.920 necessarily Kendrick Bourne specifically. I think it's just more of 0:46:23.239 --> 0:46:26.560 an era that Kendrick Bourne has represented. Yeah, and people 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:30.080 just want to move on from that completely, which I understand. 0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.560 But I think both of us get heat for being 0:46:32.600 --> 0:46:36.000 so super pro Kendrick Bourne when all we're saying is 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.160 that Kendrick Bourne is a serviceable NFL receiver, Right, None 0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:41.680 of us think that he's prime Randy Moss. Okay, he's 0:46:41.719 --> 0:46:45.600 just a serviceable guy. He's a decent NFL receiver. He's 0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.760 an average NFL receiver. That's it. That's all we're saying. 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.720 Well, and I also just think he has less variance 0:46:50.760 --> 0:46:52.560 than some of the other guys. And yeah, they have 0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:55.200 to keep some guys with upside, but you want somebody 0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:56.960 that you can kind of set your watch to, even 0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:58.440 if he's not the best player. 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:01.080 You want somebody that you kind of know what he's 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:01.640 gonna give you. 0:47:02.640 --> 0:47:05.359 Yeah, so that that's a that's a good one. Can 0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:07.120 I hadn't hear the part that they had to be 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.000 on my projection, I would probably say, if he has 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.280 to be on the projection, it's either born or col Strange. 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:12.440 Cole Strane is a good one. 0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:14.480 It's a it's a it's put up a shut up 0:47:14.520 --> 0:47:17.120 time for cold Strange, Like he's gonna have to carve 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:20.240 out a role, make this roster be a starter. Probably 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.040 put some good tape out there. I mean, what's what's 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:27.759 cole Strange's future if his season goes the way the 0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.840 first three have gone in and out with injuries, inconsistent play. 0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.560 I don't know where he sticks in the league beyond 0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:40.400 maybe like a tryout, second contract somewhere. So it's a 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:43.480 big year for him, obviously with the first round pick 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.759 attached to it. It's a big conversation in the big 0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:49.719 storyline in general with that draft pick and what that 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:52.400 draft pick represents and a lot of ways, similarly to 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.440 Kendrick Bourne, it just represents a time where they were 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.600 not making very many good personnel decisions as an organization, 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.400 and so Cole Strange of gets lumped into that as 0:48:02.320 --> 0:48:06.880 as a poster child for that entire era of Patriots football, 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:08.840 which I think a lot of us would would like 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.759 to forget and like to move on from. So next 0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:14.280 up here is Anthony and Seattle. What's up? Anthony? 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:19.239 Hey, Hey, what's up? Everyone's up? Alex I guess on Hey, 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:23.600 longtime pfw S, last TU listener, call her emailer, first 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:25.040 time calling into you guys. 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:26.400 Nice, So thank you. 0:48:26.480 --> 0:48:28.600 And you know, through the years, I've looked for a 0:48:29.600 --> 0:48:32.680 second podcast to PEU to try to fill that void 0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:35.480 when they go to two shows a day during the 0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.440 off season, and none of them have caught my attention 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:40.439 until you guys came along. So I thank you guys 0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:44.479 for that awesome. Hey, So one thing that I caught 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.680 my ear a couple of times that Evan you've mentioned it. 0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:48.880 I want to see what you guys think about this scenario. 0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:53.799 So you brought up Jared Wilson being not ruling him 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:57.080 out in that competition to possibly win the left guard 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.000 spot if he just ends up being just the best 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.879 pure blocker out of that that group of guys, and uh, 0:49:02.920 --> 0:49:07.080 that got my ear cop just because so I thought about, Okay, well, 0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.799 let's say if that, if that, if it plays out 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:12.040 that way and he was to win the starting left 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:15.000 guard job and then he ends up being like a 0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:17.600 maybe like not great but good, Let's just say he's 0:49:17.640 --> 0:49:20.400 a good guard, and then like I Will Campbell's you know, 0:49:20.840 --> 0:49:25.960 de center good. I think if that in that scenario, 0:49:26.840 --> 0:49:28.640 I like to know what you guys think. But for me, 0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:31.560 I think if that's the case, I'm no longer all 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.480 that interested in like moving him back to center. Let's 0:49:34.480 --> 0:49:37.000 say we move on from Bradbury, you know, next next season, 0:49:37.400 --> 0:49:39.680 and uh, you know, I like the idea of you know, 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:41.680 him and Will Campbell just kind of like growing up 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:43.439 together in the in this league. Now, if we got 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:45.200 some you know, you got good play over there on 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:47.840 on that side of the line, and then uh, you know, 0:49:47.960 --> 0:49:50.920 looking to try to you know, I think guard's more 0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:53.319 important position. And so now you're going to you know, 0:49:53.800 --> 0:49:57.040 Alex's you know, Soto sign one draft one at the 0:49:57.080 --> 0:49:59.879 center position now instead of being like a sign onund 0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:02.360 of one in trying to fill that guard positioning in 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:06.160 or maybe even bring in a couple guys who can 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:08.560 do kind of or like Wilson, who could play both. 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.799 And then now you've got kind of a competition where 0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.080 it's three guys that fill two spots. Where you got 0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.880 the best guys it takes the guard spot, the second 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:17.840 best guy is the center, and then you got the 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.360 third guy who's the backup for both spots. I was 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:21.439 just curious what you guys think. 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:25.040 Yeah, thanks for the call, Thanks for listening. We appreciate it. 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:29.239 With Jared Wilson, I agree with the consensus that his 0:50:29.320 --> 0:50:32.080 best long term positions at center. Yeah, And I think 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:33.960 the number one thing is when you when you talk 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:37.440 to people that no offensive line play, you know, like 0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:39.319 the Duke Mannyweather is the world who have worked with 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:43.239 Jared Wilson having a center that's that dynamic of an 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:47.680 athlete can just really open up a lot of avenues 0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:49.200 of what you can do in the run game that 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.600 you can't normally do with the center that's not a 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:55.360 great athlete. So the center a lot like the middle linebacker, 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:57.959 sits the pace of the offensive line and says how 0:50:58.320 --> 0:51:01.480 much range and just athleticism you have on the offensive line. 0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.040 So when you have a center like Jared Wilson who's 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:07.560 a very dynamic athlete, you know, the number one s 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:10.000 tier of course of this is Jason Kelce. When you 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:11.920 have a guy that can move like that at the 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.520 center position, it just makes your line more dynamic as 0:51:15.560 --> 0:51:18.040 a whole. But I agree with the caller and that 0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:22.920 in a vacuum, left guard is probably a more valuable 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:26.520 position because you're going to be facing those three techniques, 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.520 Like you're going to be facing more pass rush types 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.480 on the defensive line than you might be at center, 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:34.520 where at center, a lot of your reps in pass 0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:36.680 protection you're gonna be uncovered, like there's not gonna be 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:39.279 anybody straight up over you, So you're not gonna be 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:42.080 put into those one on one battles quite as often 0:51:42.440 --> 0:51:44.719 as you might be at left guard. So I get 0:51:44.719 --> 0:51:48.200 the caller's point. I still think Jared Wilson's naturally best 0:51:48.239 --> 0:51:51.000 at center. I'm not ruling him out for left guard. 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.759 Less bit about him maybe projecting as a left guard 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.040 long term, and more because it might just be your 0:51:57.040 --> 0:52:02.600 best five on paper, like Camble, Wilson, Bradberry on when 0:52:02.640 --> 0:52:06.520 new Moses is probably your five most talented offensive lineman 0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:09.520 on the roster. So if you're in that vane, if 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:11.320 you want to get all those five on the team 0:52:11.640 --> 0:52:13.759 or on the field, excuse me, the way to do 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.560 it is to play Jared Wilson at guard. So that 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.160 that's more of my thinking of it. I like his 0:52:19.239 --> 0:52:21.359 point though, and I think that they're right there with you. 0:52:21.680 --> 0:52:24.560 Will Campbell and Jared Wilson are here to hopefully be 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:27.160 anchors of the offensive line for the next five to 0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:29.560 ten years. Like that's the goal. Whether it's center or 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.520 left guard for Wilson in the long term, well that 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.080 remains to be seen. But the goal is to have 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:38.200 those guys developed together and develop along this runway with 0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:41.640 Drake may as pillars up front for you. So hopefully 0:52:41.680 --> 0:52:42.640 it does work out that way. 0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:46.279 Yeah, yeah, I just I do think you want to 0:52:46.320 --> 0:52:48.200 keep his long term development in mind, and if it's 0:52:48.200 --> 0:52:52.120 your best five week one September twenty twenty five, but 0:52:52.239 --> 0:52:54.399 you think he's better off waiting a month and then 0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:56.560 slipping in at center in October and he gets to 0:52:56.600 --> 0:52:58.560 develop at that position behind the scenes. I know you 0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:01.640 said you think he can develop or well playing left guard. 0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:03.759 I'm a little less optimistic about that idea. I think 0:53:03.800 --> 0:53:06.400 you develop playing the position you're gonna play, practicing at 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:09.479 the position you're gonna practice. I want his long term 0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:12.200 development in mind, But if there's nobody else like he 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:13.080 kind of has to do. 0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:15.399 It be interesting to see how they feel about that, 0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:18.600 because in this system, there's not as much mentally on 0:53:18.680 --> 0:53:20.960 the center. It's more on the quarterback than it is 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:23.000 on the center. We've talked about that a million times, 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.880 so it'd be interesting to see how they feel about it. 0:53:25.640 --> 0:53:28.960 He's relatively inexperience, like I was saying earlier. Yeah, so 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:33.600 regardless of where you play him, he doesn't have a 0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.359 ton of in game reps under his belt. So if 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.680 you feel like the best way for him to develop 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:43.239 is in game live reps, which I do, I think 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:45.319 that's the best way for any player to develop. Now 0:53:45.360 --> 0:53:46.880 you don't want to rush him and put him out 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:47.160 there too. 0:53:47.400 --> 0:53:50.720 They're not reps at the It's a different position. 0:53:50.880 --> 0:53:53.239 It is, but it's not we're not talking about him 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:55.560 playing tackle, like we're talking him move over and moving 0:53:55.560 --> 0:53:56.480 over one spot, but. 0:53:56.400 --> 0:53:58.680 You're also talking about the mechanic of actually snapping the 0:53:58.680 --> 0:54:00.480 ball and having to get up from that stance and 0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:03.640 that sort of thing. So you are it's like, it's 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:04.759 different mechanically. 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:07.600 But if you're in practice and yeah, he'll run, maybe 0:54:07.600 --> 0:54:10.200 he runs scouts team center and things like that. But 0:54:10.200 --> 0:54:13.799 if you're in practice and you're not getting any real 0:54:13.920 --> 0:54:17.600 live reps in games at center, and you're a young, 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:21.759 inexperienced player, as it is, like, where is that is 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:24.760 it enough to just give him practice squad reps during 0:54:24.760 --> 0:54:27.720 the season, you know, scout team reps during the season, 0:54:27.760 --> 0:54:30.160 and that because he needs to play at some. 0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:32.200 Point, Well, we'll see how We'll see how close he 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:35.000 is in preseason. That will be big. 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.160 But like, if you think he's close enough in preseason, 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:40.359 maybe he's not perfectly polished to play center, but you see, like, hey, 0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:42.880 he's pretty close, so let's start him at center so 0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:44.439 he can get over the hump and by the time 0:54:44.480 --> 0:54:46.680 we get you know, around Halloween, will be rolling. 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.160 Yeah. I definitely think there's a chance that he plays 0:54:50.719 --> 0:54:53.400 as a rookie somewhere on this line, more than a chance. 0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:57.759 And I'm not necessarily with you that he beats Bradbury 0:54:57.760 --> 0:54:59.799 out for week one or has a chance to. But 0:55:00.200 --> 0:55:03.600 does he have a chance to beat Bradbury up by Halloween? Yeah? Absolutely, 0:55:03.960 --> 0:55:06.400 I think that's definitely on the table and should be 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:07.000 on the I just. 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:09.680 Think that runway becomes longer if he's starting at guard. Also, 0:55:09.680 --> 0:55:11.160 if he's starting at guard and you want to move 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.480 him to center to replace Bradbury, now you're changing two 0:55:13.480 --> 0:55:16.239 spots instead of one, which becomes more convoluted. 0:55:16.400 --> 0:55:18.640 That's a that's a fair point as well. I understand 0:55:18.640 --> 0:55:21.120 what you're saying. And we've been down this road. We've 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:23.280 been down this road with Mike Onwenu and it hasn't 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:26.239 been pretty right inside outside inside. Now, this isn't quite 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:27.320 like as give. 0:55:27.239 --> 0:55:29.120 Them give him a position, but I think it. 0:55:29.239 --> 0:55:31.600 I think centert to guard is a bigger transition than 0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:32.200 you're making it. 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:36.040 But it's not as big as guard to tackle. It's not. 0:55:36.360 --> 0:55:40.560 It's not because it completely different mechanic, just like it's 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:41.760 a different mechanic. 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:43.440 But you're still blocking in a phone booths. 0:55:43.239 --> 0:55:47.520 Thematically, it's more similar. The actual physical motions are very different, but. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.240 You're still blocking in a phone like tackle. You're blocking 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.720 in space right your damp side, whereas at garden center 0:55:53.760 --> 0:55:54.920 it's a it's a quicker car. 0:55:55.080 --> 0:55:57.480 But I think going from a loaded up three point 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.360 stance to having an app the ball and get yourself 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:03.399 up and get your hands up and get your head 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.799 up and look around like, that's a big difference. When 0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:09.319 you're reguard, you're looking your see your assignment. You of 0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:11.800 them sized up from the beginning. When you're a center, 0:56:11.960 --> 0:56:14.480 there's more you're doing before you get to that stage. 0:56:14.960 --> 0:56:19.040 You're right, So I just let him work at that position. 0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:22.439 Can I bring up one other, like nerdy offensive line thing? 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.520 I need all the nerdy offensive line stuff I can 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:27.200 get so and look bad in front of David Andrews. 0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:29.160 Okay, so here's actually a good question for him. 0:56:29.200 --> 0:56:31.400 Here's another nerdy offensive line thing I've been thinking a 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:35.080 lot about Will Campbell. Yeah, and this isn't a short 0:56:35.160 --> 0:56:37.040 arm joke, so don't make it that. But it's not 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:42.240 not a short arm joke. He really. I could probably 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:44.799 in the six to seven games I want to say, 0:56:45.040 --> 0:56:47.480 maybe eight games of his that I watched at LSU 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:50.279 last year, I could probably count on one hand the 0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.080 amount of time he was in a three point stance. 0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:55.680 Yeah, they're very they don't do it. They don't do it. 0:56:55.719 --> 0:57:00.279 They don't do it. And he's they play of their 0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:03.000 offenses out of the shotgun. He was up into two 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:04.680 point stance, up on his feet with his you know, 0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:08.120 his arms up and not in the three point pat 0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:09.240 patriot style. 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:15.160 Yeah, and approach to that weird sort of upright stance 0:57:15.160 --> 0:57:15.600 to begin with. 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:17.520 And he has the weird upright stance to begin with. 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:21.520 It's it's not something that I am concerned about. It's 0:57:21.520 --> 0:57:24.960 something that I want to watch, like it's on my 0:57:25.120 --> 0:57:28.040 radar to watch in training camp in this over the summer. 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:32.320 There's a lot of advantages in the run game to 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.720 being in a three point stance. Now, you might sit 0:57:34.760 --> 0:57:37.280 there and say, well, isn't that a tell? It can 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:40.480 be Actually, if you really study film, it can be 0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:43.400 a tell sometimes for certain guys. A guy that has 0:57:43.440 --> 0:57:45.360 a little bit of a tell like that. It's Trent Williams, 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:47.280 but Trent Williams is so damn good. It doesn't matter 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.480 matter that he has a tell, but he does have 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:51.840 a little bit of a tell. Three point stance though, 0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.360 it's just as exactly how you would think. It's just 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:57.040 naturally creates a lower pad level. It just you are 0:57:57.120 --> 0:58:00.160 just leveraging your You're down in the three points, has 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:03.200 said upright, So you're just naturally your pads are starting 0:58:03.240 --> 0:58:05.600 at a lower point, so it's easier to kind of 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:07.680 like just get out of your stance and explode out 0:58:07.680 --> 0:58:09.760 of your stance and get into the block with low 0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:14.760 pads and good leverage. It's not not a thing that 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:17.200 he's never done it, and it's also not not a 0:58:17.280 --> 0:58:20.600 thing that his arms are not particularly long. So like 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:23.120 when he goes into the three point stance a couple 0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:24.800 of times I saw him do it in the spring. 0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.280 It was just kind of awkward at first to see 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:28.920 him do it. And I don't think he's done it 0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:33.040 a ton. Again, I'm not concerned. I just I am observant, 0:58:33.160 --> 0:58:35.560 like I just want to see it more consistently and 0:58:35.600 --> 0:58:38.440 see what it looks like more consistently. Am I crazy 0:58:38.600 --> 0:58:39.640 for caring about this? 0:58:39.880 --> 0:58:42.200 Or is this like like you said, it's a thing. 0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:44.920 It's a thing to watch. I don't know that it's 0:58:44.960 --> 0:58:48.080 the biggest concern because it will help with the leverage 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:48.600 at times. 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:51.280 No, it's it's absolutely a thing. 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.360 It's like when we talk about, you know, we did 0:58:53.360 --> 0:58:55.280 with Drake May last year, like he's never really been 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:58.560 under center, right, and it's just a different mechanical thing. 0:58:58.560 --> 0:59:00.680 It doesn't mean he can't do it is another thing 0:59:00.720 --> 0:59:01.320 he has to learn. 0:59:01.640 --> 0:59:03.959 Yeah, that seems like a fair comparison, right or. 0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:06.120 Yeah, I would love to ask and I probably should 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:09.360 have already asked Will Campbell about it, because in a 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:11.400 lot of times when we hear about like the under 0:59:11.400 --> 0:59:14.320 center thing with quarterbacks, they'll come back and Matt Jones 0:59:14.400 --> 0:59:16.080 is this way. He laughed at it because like in 0:59:16.600 --> 0:59:18.680 high school he ran like a version of the wing 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:20.760 t and was under center all the time. So maybe 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:23.000 there was a chance that Will Campbell down in the 0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:26.960 Bayou in high school and Monroe, Louisiana was in a 0:59:27.000 --> 0:59:29.440 three point stance for four straight years, right, Like I 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:32.120 don't know, like maybe he was. You never know, So 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.920 maybe it's nothing. It's just something that was on my radar, 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:38.400 the stance that he has. And then Coupled with that, 0:59:38.880 --> 0:59:40.800 the fact that he hasn't played a lot of reps 0:59:40.800 --> 0:59:42.720 with his hand in the dirt is just something that 0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:45.320 I want to watch and monitor. Do they tweak with 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:48.520 his stance? His stances is unorthodox. He's he kind of 0:59:48.520 --> 0:59:49.560 stands like straight up. 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:51.680 Yeah, he's kind of got nash and Gendy thing going on. 0:59:51.880 --> 0:59:54.040 He stands like more straight up or more vertical than 0:59:54.080 --> 0:59:56.480 most guys. But then as soon as the ball is snapped, 0:59:56.680 --> 0:59:59.439 he has really great sink and flexibility to like get 0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:02.040 into that power stance that you want to see him in, 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:06.400 the athletic stance, but he does start from a higher 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:08.360 point than what you're used to now. Emery Jones on 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:12.360 the other side at LSU also did not as pronounced 1:00:12.360 --> 1:00:14.680 as Will Campbell, but it was also a little bit 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:16.800 more of an upright stance for him as well. So 1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:18.920 maybe it was just an LSU thing that that's how 1:00:18.960 --> 1:00:21.880 they felt they wanted to do it for whatever reason. 1:00:22.440 --> 1:00:25.160 But do you do you think Genty is a good example? 1:00:25.240 --> 1:00:27.320 In Vegas? They this has been a little bit of 1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:30.520 a talking point. Do you tweak with Will Campbell's set, 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:34.120 not his actual post snap how he moves, but like 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:37.400 the actual when he comes to set, he's more upright. 1:00:38.320 --> 1:00:40.480 First of all, the Raiders are trying to change genty stance. 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:43.240 I don't think they are, but it was a talking 1:00:43.240 --> 1:00:44.320 point with their media. 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.040 That's something that I don't think he needs. You know, 1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:47.720 there's a picture of him with his hands on his knees. 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:49.200 That'd be a shame if they change that. I love 1:00:49.240 --> 1:00:51.200 his stance, and he's not the only one. 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:51.680 Dude didn't. 1:00:51.720 --> 1:00:54.680 I think Jaya Jai used to stand like that. Sound 1:00:54.720 --> 1:00:58.520 a couple other guys, but I might just yeah, maybe, 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:00.880 but that was I think two coaches to go for them. 1:01:01.280 --> 1:01:03.439 I don't think you tweak his stance right away. If 1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:05.240 he struggles out of the gate, that might be one 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:07.840 of the first things that you look at to adjust, 1:01:08.480 --> 1:01:11.000 But you're already thrown enough on his plate. If he's 1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:14.320 comfortable and it's working, it's I mean, there's examples of 1:01:14.360 --> 1:01:16.280 this in sports. You know, I always go to like 1:01:16.520 --> 1:01:21.920 Steph Curry, right, you would never teach a kid to 1:01:22.000 --> 1:01:24.840 shoot a basketball mechanically the way Steph Curry shoots it. 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:27.720 He's a very unorthodox jump shot. But you're also not 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:30.080 gonna correct Steph Curry's because he's Steph Curry and it 1:01:30.080 --> 1:01:31.960 works for him. But it works for him, it's not 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:35.320 gonna work for anybody else. Aaron Rodgers very unorthodox throwing motion. 1:01:35.600 --> 1:01:38.240 You wouldn't coach somebody to throw the ball that way 1:01:38.320 --> 1:01:40.320 so that he throws both feet off the ground, right, 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:42.280 But you're not gonna look at him and be like, no, 1:01:42.320 --> 1:01:44.880 you need to change this now. If Aaron Rodgers had 1:01:44.880 --> 1:01:48.200 gotten in the league and it kind of sucked it first, yeah, 1:01:48.200 --> 1:01:49.560 the coach is probably would have gone to him and 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:51.120 been like, no, we need to clean up your mechanics. 1:01:51.160 --> 1:01:53.040 So I think that's something with Will Campbell. If it 1:01:53.080 --> 1:01:55.480 works for him, it works for him, you don't screw 1:01:55.520 --> 1:01:57.640 with it, and it's not something you're necessarily gonna touch 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:00.000 right away if he's proving in the summer that it's worked, 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:02.600 but if he starts to struggle, that's going to be 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.240 one of the first things you look at and correct. 1:02:04.360 --> 1:02:07.240 When when Drake May first got in here last year, 1:02:08.000 --> 1:02:11.919 I remember talking to TC McCartney, their quarterbacks coach last year, 1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:14.960 and I know that staff has a lot of negative 1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:17.000 energy around him right now, but they did a nice 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:20.480 job with Drake May. Van Pelton McCarty one thing, Yeah, 1:02:20.520 --> 1:02:22.800 the hardest thing they do. And I remember talking to 1:02:22.880 --> 1:02:25.760 him about Drake May's throwing motion because there's a lot 1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:28.640 of talk about it. Was, you know, the elongated throwing 1:02:28.760 --> 1:02:30.920 motion and he kind of brought the arm all the 1:02:30.920 --> 1:02:33.720 way back and they would you want to tighten that? 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:36.080 Would you want to shorten that? And the one thing 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:39.720 that McCartney said to me was that if when it 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.600 comes to the throwing motion, the concern that you have 1:02:41.680 --> 1:02:43.840 about it is is he controlling the football and is 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:46.480 he throwing the ball accurately? So some people looked at 1:02:46.520 --> 1:02:49.120 it in the draft and said, Drake May's throwing motion 1:02:49.560 --> 1:02:51.600 is part of the reason why he has those May 1:02:51.680 --> 1:02:54.840 sprays like is because it's throwing motions longer. So basically 1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:58.320 you just have like more margin. You're creating a more 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:01.640 room for error, right because yeah, you're longer, so you 1:03:01.720 --> 1:03:04.800 have more time to make a mistake in your mechanics. 1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:07.600 So if you shorten that motion up and in theory, 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:09.720 it's gonna be quicker, it's gonna be more compact, the 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.000 ball is going to come out smoother. I would say 1:03:12.000 --> 1:03:14.400 the same thing is true for Will Campbell. They didn't 1:03:14.600 --> 1:03:17.400 touch Drake May's arm motion because they felt like it 1:03:17.440 --> 1:03:20.000 wasn't an issue, right, They felt like it wasn't why 1:03:20.040 --> 1:03:23.280 he wasn't throwing accurately. They thought the accuracy was more 1:03:23.320 --> 1:03:25.360 timed up with his footwork and the fact that he 1:03:25.400 --> 1:03:27.720 wasn't throwing in rhythm with his feet. So once they 1:03:27.760 --> 1:03:30.120 cleaned that up, he had some sprays last year, but 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:32.360 he was way more accurate than anybody could have imagined. 1:03:32.480 --> 1:03:35.200 Like it was way better than anybody could have imagined. 1:03:36.120 --> 1:03:39.120 Same thing in my mind with Will Campbell, Like you said, 1:03:39.960 --> 1:03:43.440 if his stance in his start of his set is 1:03:44.040 --> 1:03:47.400 not hindering him and he's not losing because of it, 1:03:47.640 --> 1:03:50.520 then don't touch it. If he sprayed the ball all 1:03:50.560 --> 1:03:53.240 over the field with the offensive line equivalent of that is, 1:03:53.680 --> 1:03:56.040 then maybe you start to be a little bit more 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:58.280 concerned about him, and you start to get him into 1:03:58.360 --> 1:03:59.520 a more natural stance. 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:00.520 But I'm not. 1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:03.560 I'm not worried about like the high any of the 1:04:03.600 --> 1:04:04.880 high level stuff with Bill Campbell. 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:05.440 I'm really not. 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:08.120 I think he's gonna be fine. All this little minutia 1:04:08.120 --> 1:04:10.040 stuff though, is uh. 1:04:10.000 --> 1:04:10.919 So we do on the show. 1:04:11.120 --> 1:04:13.600 I find it interesting. We'll see what happens I don't 1:04:13.600 --> 1:04:15.480 know if they're gonna tweak with it, but I will 1:04:15.520 --> 1:04:19.160 definitely be looking for it. Uh. Kayley is in San Diego. 1:04:19.240 --> 1:04:22.560 What's up, Kayley? 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:26.120 Kayley, Hey, guys, I was watching Patriots on stills here 1:04:26.240 --> 1:04:28.920 yesterday and I heard Evan was talking a little bit 1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:32.840 about the break in between for the summer. Who are 1:04:32.840 --> 1:04:35.080 you guys watching for this summer and making sure they're 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.040 staying out of trouble. We saw Digs in the yacht. 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:38.800 Who else do we we watch him? 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:41.400 Oh Man, Thanks for the call, Keyley. I'm not going 1:04:41.480 --> 1:04:45.400 to speculate on players potentially getting into trouble. Let's hope 1:04:45.400 --> 1:04:48.080 nobody does. But that was just a point we brought 1:04:48.120 --> 1:04:51.040 up lot yesterday about this being at the time of 1:04:51.040 --> 1:04:54.600 the off season where just league wide, unfortunately, this is 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:57.760 when guys tend tool out again in some trouble. But 1:04:58.080 --> 1:05:00.960 let me ask you this as an off season topic, Kaylee. 1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:03.040 We're not dodging your question. It's just I don't think 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:07.040 we need to speculate about that. The question that I 1:05:07.080 --> 1:05:10.840 have for you, because I have two different brains when 1:05:10.840 --> 1:05:15.920 it comes to this, My you know, working brain is saying, 1:05:16.360 --> 1:05:20.280 if you cancel my summer NFL calendar. I am not 1:05:20.360 --> 1:05:23.040 going to be happy, Okay, like this is our This 1:05:23.320 --> 1:05:26.480 five weeks is really our summer. Yeah, where we actually 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:29.560 get to enjoy summer. And woe is us? I know, 1:05:29.960 --> 1:05:32.120 but bear with me. 1:05:32.240 --> 1:05:33.120 Yeah. 1:05:33.200 --> 1:05:37.600 However, from a logistical standpoint, it makes less than zero 1:05:37.720 --> 1:05:40.520 sense that they go through this spring circuit and they 1:05:40.520 --> 1:05:43.160 have this weird five week gap and then we come 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:45.240 back for training camp. It just doesn't make any sense 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:49.840 logistically why they do it this way. I still think, 1:05:49.920 --> 1:05:51.480 based off of some of the things that you hear 1:05:51.520 --> 1:05:55.200 coming out of these NFLPA meetings and league meetings, that 1:05:56.000 --> 1:05:59.800 reconfiguring the entire offseason is on the calendar or on 1:05:59.840 --> 1:06:03.000 the you know, in terms of just putting it so 1:06:03.120 --> 1:06:08.200 that OTA's leads directly into mini camp, directly into training camp. 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:13.800 Instead of having the spring start in April run through June, 1:06:14.160 --> 1:06:18.720 five week break training camp, we would have probably everything 1:06:18.720 --> 1:06:22.320 would probably start in the beginning to middle of June 1:06:23.440 --> 1:06:27.040 run all the way through July. Maybe you have like 1:06:27.080 --> 1:06:29.920 a week off in there somewhere around July fourth, and 1:06:30.080 --> 1:06:35.680 everybody back for training camp. You the reporter would probably 1:06:35.760 --> 1:06:38.960 hate it, But doesn't it make more logistical sense for 1:06:39.040 --> 1:06:39.840 it to be that way. 1:06:40.200 --> 1:06:45.760 It doesn't. It doesn't. You need a break physically at 1:06:45.800 --> 1:06:46.440 some point. 1:06:46.600 --> 1:06:49.480 So the break would be the off season from the 1:06:49.600 --> 1:06:53.760 end of the football season in January slash February to 1:06:54.440 --> 1:06:55.840 the beginning of June. 1:06:55.920 --> 1:06:59.560 I just think break two and a half months of camp, 1:06:59.560 --> 1:07:01.680 because that's what you're talking about. So you're talking about 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:04.720 starting in mid June, mid June to mid July, mid 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:06.720 July to mid August to the end of August, right, 1:07:06.840 --> 1:07:09.160 is the that's two and a half months of camp. 1:07:09.440 --> 1:07:12.400 You'd have like, that's brutal, so you'd have to shorten it. 1:07:12.560 --> 1:07:15.040 You'd have. What you'd have is is this ota thing 1:07:15.280 --> 1:07:18.160 what we have now where when in the very beginning 1:07:18.200 --> 1:07:19.960 would be more of like a ramp up period and 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:22.640 it wouldn't be five six practices a week. It would 1:07:22.640 --> 1:07:24.320 be like two or three practices a week. 1:07:24.400 --> 1:07:26.160 How about So how about you just get rid of 1:07:26.160 --> 1:07:29.920 that and you start like the second week in July. 1:07:30.040 --> 1:07:32.520 Start get rid of the spring and start two weeks earlier. 1:07:33.000 --> 1:07:36.320 That would That is probably the compromise. That's where the 1:07:36.400 --> 1:07:39.400 NFLPA is. Yeah, the NFLPA wants to do away with 1:07:39.440 --> 1:07:41.160 the spring starting all together. 1:07:41.320 --> 1:07:43.480 So like for instance, this year, because they always start 1:07:43.520 --> 1:07:47.040 on that Wednesday now, right, which is July twenty twenty third, Yes, 1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:50.280 start on July ninth, So that gives you two more 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:54.200 weeks to lead up and that can be all the install. Right, 1:07:54.240 --> 1:07:57.320 What is install realistically, Tay, I've never done this process. 1:07:57.360 --> 1:07:59.520 It is two weeks too short for install. 1:08:02.640 --> 1:08:05.720 For your base stuff. No, now, but. 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:07.280 What are they installed in the spring? I'm saying the 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:08.800 install that you would do in the springing. 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:11.080 Right, But I'm talking about your base offense, meaning like 1:08:11.360 --> 1:08:13.520 first and ten from the twenty five what plays are 1:08:13.520 --> 1:08:16.880 you running if by the end of the spring, because 1:08:16.880 --> 1:08:19.000 they have the extra time. Now, by the end of 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:22.200 the spring, they're already into like red zone work. Well, 1:08:22.320 --> 1:08:24.360 I get so that the other thing, that type of 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:25.360 stuff would have to wait. 1:08:25.840 --> 1:08:29.400 Well, the other thing, I guess is because we're thinking 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:31.400 of this starting with OTAs, they have what a month 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:33.360 before OTAs begin, that's on the calendar. 1:08:33.720 --> 1:08:37.800 Yes, So when is is that? What's starting in so 1:08:37.920 --> 1:08:38.800 the June. 1:08:38.880 --> 1:08:42.160 The proposal that I have seen from the NFLPA, and 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:44.760 that came out a couple of years ago, is the 1:08:44.800 --> 1:08:47.640 first time I heard of this. The proposal that I 1:08:47.720 --> 1:08:52.679 saw was they would start probably right around this time, 1:08:52.840 --> 1:08:56.880 maybe a little bit earlier. They would have essentially a 1:08:57.080 --> 1:09:01.000 mini version of the spring where it's o TA rules, 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:03.360 nonpadded shorts and T shirt. 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:05.120 What about the stuff before they even get to the 1:09:05.200 --> 1:09:07.720 o TA practices because that would be that phase one, 1:09:07.760 --> 1:09:10.519 Phase two that would be gone. But you need that too, 1:09:10.520 --> 1:09:13.720 because isn't that when you like go over on the whiteboard. 1:09:13.320 --> 1:09:15.880 That's when LA gonna be And yes, that's the classroom. 1:09:15.920 --> 1:09:16.760 So do you need that? 1:09:17.240 --> 1:09:20.280 I think you need it. But this is the compromise, okay, 1:09:20.400 --> 1:09:24.280 because I think that the this and in the story 1:09:24.320 --> 1:09:26.880 that Paul Broke brought up as a story from from 1:09:26.880 --> 1:09:30.160 Bill from Belichick about how stressed out Belichick would be 1:09:30.160 --> 1:09:32.040 about this time of year because you don't know what 1:09:32.080 --> 1:09:34.519 the players are doing. They're completely off, they're out of 1:09:34.520 --> 1:09:37.559 the ibility. And it's not just about the off fields, 1:09:37.680 --> 1:09:39.760 it's also where they come back. 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:42.439 I guess what I worry about is if you shorten this, 1:09:43.600 --> 1:09:47.639 we already have enough issues where you get to week 1:09:47.680 --> 1:09:49.000 one and players aren't ready. 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:49.920 Right. 1:09:50.000 --> 1:09:52.360 The first month of the season has become an extended 1:09:52.400 --> 1:09:56.840 preseason because teams are still installing plays. The linemen have 1:09:56.880 --> 1:10:00.000 barely hit anybody. So if you're gonna shorten this even further, 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.120 or what is that going to do to the quality 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:04.760 of the product. If they're gonna do that, you need 1:10:04.840 --> 1:10:06.600 to have more padded practices. 1:10:06.920 --> 1:10:07.600 You need to and I. 1:10:07.560 --> 1:10:09.200 Don't think the players are gonna go for that, and 1:10:09.240 --> 1:10:12.760 I don't know that they should, but like you need 1:10:12.800 --> 1:10:15.160 to balance the fact that you still need to actually 1:10:15.240 --> 1:10:16.320 get ready for the season. 1:10:16.560 --> 1:10:20.320 Agreed. Now, the biggest pushback this is really I would 1:10:20.320 --> 1:10:23.679 say player driven mostly. Yeah, the biggest pushback I think 1:10:23.680 --> 1:10:27.200 players have about all of this is that in no 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:32.080 other sport, in professional American sports, do you have this 1:10:32.200 --> 1:10:36.960 kind of calendar where there's a spring practice circuit for 1:10:37.000 --> 1:10:39.479 seven eight weeks. It's almost two whole months really when 1:10:39.520 --> 1:10:41.000 you think about it. They have a little bit of 1:10:41.040 --> 1:10:43.439 a lull in there, like around the draft and rookie 1:10:43.400 --> 1:10:45.240 County camp where the veterans are out of the building, 1:10:45.240 --> 1:10:48.200 but it's basically a two month thing. From April to 1:10:48.800 --> 1:10:54.080 the beginning of June. You have a spring camp, then 1:10:54.120 --> 1:10:56.040 you have a five week break, and then you have 1:10:56.240 --> 1:11:00.000 training camp into the season and then you're going In baseball, 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:01.680 they report for spring training and they play all the 1:11:01.720 --> 1:11:04.080 way through. In basketball they report for camp, they play 1:11:04.080 --> 1:11:05.800 all the way through, and hockey they report for camp. 1:11:05.920 --> 1:11:09.920 Yeah, so much more you have to do in football. 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:13.599 But I think that the players want one continuous break. Yeah, 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:17.920 that's what they're trying to vouch for. So to your point, 1:11:18.360 --> 1:11:22.479 teams are probably saying, well, let's do two weeks of 1:11:23.560 --> 1:11:27.400 Phase one Phase two classroom in stall and conditioning. Then 1:11:27.479 --> 1:11:30.439 we'll do a three week ramp up period that is 1:11:30.520 --> 1:11:32.800 OTA rules, you know, shorts and T shirts. But we're 1:11:32.840 --> 1:11:36.360 on the practice field, we're playing actual football eleven on eleven, 1:11:36.680 --> 1:11:40.080 and then training camp starts right around the same time. Now, 1:11:40.120 --> 1:11:43.960 that would start you in US right around mid June, 1:11:44.040 --> 1:11:48.599 mid June, where like right where Mini camp started. Yep, 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:52.679 that would be phase one of ot of OTAs would 1:11:52.680 --> 1:11:55.920 be then, and we would you would run all the 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:58.840 way through the whole season. It wouldn't stop at that point. 1:12:00.280 --> 1:12:02.960 Yeah, that's just a lot. That's a longer calendar than 1:12:03.000 --> 1:12:03.920 these other leagues. 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:06.160 Have, which is why the players are pushing back and 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:09.439 want it. Don't want to chop off Phase one and 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:10.439 Phase two all together. 1:12:10.520 --> 1:12:13.800 I just you can't. You still need to get ready 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:16.320 for the season. You still have. Also, there's so I've 1:12:16.320 --> 1:12:18.559 heard mixed things on this from players because some guys, 1:12:19.520 --> 1:12:21.160 you know, during the season you don't get a lot 1:12:21.200 --> 1:12:23.000 of toat time to spend with your family. And this 1:12:23.040 --> 1:12:25.000 is more of the older players. You have kids, right, 1:12:25.600 --> 1:12:27.040 you want to be off when they're off. You want 1:12:27.080 --> 1:12:28.880 to be off when they're out of school. Yeah, so 1:12:28.920 --> 1:12:30.320 you can do stuff as a family. And you know, 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:33.360 if you start on June eleventh, you're basically going back 1:12:33.400 --> 1:12:36.400 to work, well like a week before they start summer vacation. 1:12:36.720 --> 1:12:38.960 Yeah, and just you know, all of those things like 1:12:39.000 --> 1:12:41.639 if you play in New England and you're up here 1:12:42.360 --> 1:12:44.639 that time of year, obviously this is the best time 1:12:44.640 --> 1:12:46.720 weather wise, is the best time for vica. You know, 1:12:46.760 --> 1:12:47.880 the vacation around here. 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:49.280 Like it's weird. 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:51.320 But in theory, the best way to do it that 1:12:51.320 --> 1:12:52.679 would make everybody the happiest. 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:54.519 This wouldn't be good for the football. The best way 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:56.519 to do it would. 1:12:56.360 --> 1:12:58.559 Be to do it in the other direction. Come out 1:12:58.560 --> 1:13:02.960 of the draft, go right into OTAs. Not because there's 1:13:02.960 --> 1:13:05.320 like two or three weeks right between the drafts and OTAs. 1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:09.040 Come out of the draft, go right in OTAs, going 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:13.320 to mini camp, do training camp in like May and June, 1:13:13.600 --> 1:13:16.679 take July off and then come back and like MiG 1:13:16.960 --> 1:13:18.640 mid August and have like a two week ramp up 1:13:18.680 --> 1:13:22.960 to the season. Now, that makes zero sense logistically because 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:24.720 you're gonna lose a lot and then have to get 1:13:24.800 --> 1:13:29.040 right into the football. But that's probably what everybody would want. 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:30.479 It would just hurt the football. 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:33.400 So here's why I brought it up. Not only because 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:37.200 I am preparing myself for this being a reality at 1:13:37.200 --> 1:13:40.400 some point that they're gonna chop July off in June, 1:13:41.000 --> 1:13:45.840 but also Joff here from Virginia. He wrote in about 1:13:46.360 --> 1:13:50.960 potential eighteen game schedule, and in my mind, the league 1:13:51.040 --> 1:13:53.040 is not going to part with anything, you know what 1:13:53.080 --> 1:13:54.760 I mean, the league, I mean the owners. Yeah, the 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:57.679 owners are not gonna part with anything that cost them money. 1:13:57.760 --> 1:13:59.960 Like they're just they're not gonna give up any game. 1:14:00.080 --> 1:14:02.559 They're not going to give up any any gate, you know, 1:14:02.800 --> 1:14:04.840 ticket gates or anything like that. They're not going to 1:14:04.880 --> 1:14:08.439 give up anything of actual value. Now, the one thing 1:14:08.479 --> 1:14:12.599 they might give up is making the calendar more player friendly, right, 1:14:12.600 --> 1:14:15.639 because that doesn't cost him any money in theory. So 1:14:16.760 --> 1:14:20.000 jaw for Jeff, I don't know how it's Jeff with 1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:20.320 a G. 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:21.759 That's Jeff. 1:14:23.360 --> 1:14:27.639 Jeff in Virginia says, you know, the eighteen game schedule 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:29.680 is coming and is an off season topic. That's why 1:14:29.680 --> 1:14:33.960 I'm bringing it up, and that's probably fair. So he said, 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:38.040 how would you guys feel about three bye weeks to 1:14:38.120 --> 1:14:40.960 keep players healthier? The way it would work is you 1:14:40.960 --> 1:14:43.320 would do half the NFL have a bye thing. It's 1:14:43.320 --> 1:14:47.800 giving week. Half the week before knout will have the 1:14:47.840 --> 1:14:50.360 prior off week. Then you do one bye week. Okay, 1:14:50.360 --> 1:14:54.519 this is very complicated. Basically, his proposal is to have 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:56.679 eighteen games, three bye weeks, and then have the super 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:58.960 Bowl on Presidence Day. If I'm not mistaken, all they 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:00.400 have to do is add one more week in the 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:01.920 super Bowls on President Yeah. 1:15:01.760 --> 1:15:04.080 And that's coming, and that that's absolutely coming. Although they're 1:15:04.120 --> 1:15:06.400 gonna get rid of a preseason game when they add 1:15:06.400 --> 1:15:09.280 the eighteenth, so I'm not sure where that week will 1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:13.719 come from. Honestly, what they should do is, I assume 1:15:13.720 --> 1:15:15.320 when they go to eighteen games, they're also going to 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:17.320 go to eight teams per conference in the playoffs, because 1:15:17.320 --> 1:15:20.479 that thing is looming to once there's no bye weeks, 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:23.519 they should have a bye week before the playoffs. 1:15:24.520 --> 1:15:27.680 And just everybody gets that week off like that. So 1:15:27.920 --> 1:15:28.639 maybe that's. 1:15:28.479 --> 1:15:32.800 How you get to President's Day because they didn't they 1:15:32.840 --> 1:15:35.040 added a bye week before the regular season when they 1:15:35.080 --> 1:15:36.760 got rid of the fourth preseason game to push it 1:15:36.800 --> 1:15:40.200 back the way they did. No, they're gonna have to 1:15:40.240 --> 1:15:42.839 go to two bye weeks when they get to eighteen games, 1:15:42.960 --> 1:15:45.519 Like that's gonna happen. But what I think is that 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:47.880 what that's gonna be is it's going to be. Uh, 1:15:48.000 --> 1:15:50.400 the NHL does something like this. I think it's called 1:15:50.439 --> 1:15:54.320 potted bye weeks. I don't remember exactly, but like you're 1:15:54.640 --> 1:15:59.439 you're basically grouped with your division and every division has 1:15:59.479 --> 1:16:02.000 a bye week at the same time. So what you'll 1:16:02.000 --> 1:16:07.040 have is probably from weeks with three to ten, eight 1:16:07.040 --> 1:16:10.200 weeks three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Yeah, 1:16:10.200 --> 1:16:13.599 so from weeks three to ten or four to eleven, 1:16:14.200 --> 1:16:16.639 you'll each division will have a bye week in there, 1:16:16.680 --> 1:16:19.439 and then from weeks eleven to whatever whatever to whatever. Right, 1:16:20.000 --> 1:16:23.439 So you wouldn't you wouldn't have a bye week week 1:16:23.479 --> 1:16:26.080 two and five, right, it would be you're you're gonna 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:27.760 be in a group with the same team with your 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:30.800 division you're all or maybe they just group teams differently, whatever, 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:34.599 But like every team would have one bye week before 1:16:34.600 --> 1:16:36.360 the halfway point, every team would have one by week 1:16:36.400 --> 1:16:38.280 after the halfway point, and you'd be taking the same 1:16:38.320 --> 1:16:41.320 bye weeks with the same teams you're grouped with, and 1:16:41.360 --> 1:16:43.679 the ideas you'd be grouped with teams that you play 1:16:44.120 --> 1:16:45.519 to make the scheduling easier. 1:16:46.160 --> 1:16:48.439 Eighteen games, two byes, eighteen games two buys. 1:16:48.479 --> 1:16:51.880 But it's not that it's a little more complicated than that, 1:16:52.080 --> 1:16:54.760 because you can't give a team like week two and 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:57.400 five for a bye or week fifteen and like thirteen 1:16:57.439 --> 1:17:01.840 and fifty four state right, everybody, It's really what it's 1:17:01.840 --> 1:17:03.880 gonna have to be is first half by, second half BY, 1:17:04.400 --> 1:17:05.720 and you're gonna have to split it like that. And 1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:07.240 if you have an early first half BY, you have 1:17:07.240 --> 1:17:08.800 an early second half BI. If you have a late 1:17:08.840 --> 1:17:10.880 first half BY, you have a late second half BY. 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:13.240 Because even if you split first and second, if you 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:15.120 have a bye week week eight and a bye week 1:17:15.160 --> 1:17:20.320 week eleven, that could be advantageous or disadvantageous depending on 1:17:20.320 --> 1:17:22.599 who you look at. So there's gonna be more math 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:24.200 that goes into the bye weeks, and this is where 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.720 it's okay to use math. There's gonna be more math 1:17:26.760 --> 1:17:28.040 that goes into the bye weeks once you get to 1:17:28.080 --> 1:17:30.439 two and when they go to eight teams in the playoffs, 1:17:30.479 --> 1:17:31.880 I'll say this again, there should be a bye week 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:32.960 before the wildcard round. 1:17:33.200 --> 1:17:35.479 So I agree. I actually love the idea of the 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:39.439 bye week before the wildcard round because I feel like 1:17:40.920 --> 1:17:44.120 that would also then in turn, maybe make week eighteen 1:17:44.360 --> 1:17:46.600 or nineteen, whenever the hell it's gonna be, it'd be 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:47.160 week twenty. 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:49.559 If you're gonna it's gonna be two buys eighteen games, 1:17:49.640 --> 1:17:50.719 be week twenty, Week twenty. 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:53.320 That would then, in theory, make week twenty more viable 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:57.599 because you're not Teams that know they're gonna be playing 1:17:57.600 --> 1:18:00.000 on wildcard weekend now often use that as a rest 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:02.760 week or they go easy or whatever. It's kind of 1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:05.360 a pseudo bye week because they don't have the bye week, 1:18:05.439 --> 1:18:07.559 so they have to build their own bye week. So 1:18:07.680 --> 1:18:10.680 now in theory that that week becomes more of like 1:18:10.760 --> 1:18:12.840 the regulars, you're not going to get what we got 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:15.760 last year with Joe Milton versus the Buffalo backups, Like 1:18:15.760 --> 1:18:20.080 you're not gonna get that as often. So I'm for that. 1:18:20.640 --> 1:18:22.599 I think that's just better for the product as well. 1:18:23.360 --> 1:18:27.880 I eighteen weeks, two buys where we're headed. The concessions, 1:18:27.920 --> 1:18:29.519 my guess is a lot of them we won't even 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.800 hear about in terms of the NFLPA will be little 1:18:31.800 --> 1:18:34.080 things that have nothing to do with anything. Maybe the 1:18:34.120 --> 1:18:38.040 offseason reconfiguration. Those will probably be the concessions by the league. 1:18:38.280 --> 1:18:40.040 And let one less preseason game, which. 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:42.040 I can't wait till five hundred teams again. 1:18:42.640 --> 1:18:44.639 And it won't bring five hundred teams back. 1:18:44.560 --> 1:18:47.440 Right, yeah? Yeah, eighteen games, yes, even number. 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:51.519 So math ye, So yeah, I think that that's that's 1:18:51.560 --> 1:18:53.760 where we're headed. It'll be interesting to see though when 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.000 we get there. Presidents say weekend right now is just 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:57.600 a week after the super Bowl, right like? 1:18:58.000 --> 1:18:58.280 Correct? 1:18:58.360 --> 1:19:00.320 Yeah? No, they need they need one more week and 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:03.360 then it will finally be official. The day after super 1:19:03.360 --> 1:19:05.320 Bowl will be a holiday. 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.439 It could just be holiday, like they could just make. 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:10.439 It back to I'll be fair, like back to back 1:19:10.800 --> 1:19:12.680 federal holidays. That's a tough sell. 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:14.960 I feel like our current president would do something. 1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:18.160 Like that, though, Look, if it's built in, why not. 1:19:18.360 --> 1:19:20.400 Also, don't you want to get it off of you 1:19:20.400 --> 1:19:23.000 have a certain other obligation that weekend, right, wouldn't you. 1:19:22.960 --> 1:19:24.000 Like to get it out of that weekend? 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:27.960 I get again, Actually everybody is a certain it's also 1:19:28.000 --> 1:19:28.760 Valentine's Day. 1:19:28.960 --> 1:19:29.559 We get again. 1:19:29.600 --> 1:19:35.160 I find woe is me, But I get absolutely bamboozled 1:19:35.240 --> 1:19:39.080 by that week because it's just as birthday and it's 1:19:39.160 --> 1:19:41.040 Valentine's Day and it's Super Bowl. 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:42.680 So that the rams bengled super Bowl. 1:19:42.720 --> 1:19:44.240 Like I was texting you the whole time you were Yes, 1:19:44.320 --> 1:19:46.160 we were to find out after you weren't watching. 1:19:46.280 --> 1:19:49.840 We were out to dinner and there was probably didn't 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:51.880 have to wait for a table and no wait and listen. 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:54.960 Oh yeah, Jess, I rented out the whole restaurant. 1:19:54.960 --> 1:19:56.320 Look at this and as you know, just as a 1:19:56.320 --> 1:19:58.200 big sports fan. So it's not it's not like that 1:19:58.280 --> 1:20:00.320 she's like one of those girls that's like, you know, 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.360 very anti this whole thing, but doesn't trump her birthday 1:20:03.360 --> 1:20:06.200 when when it's not relevant teams, if it's not the 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:09.160 Patriots playing in the super Bowl, it's not relevant teams, 1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:12.599 it doesn't matter. But there was a TV in her 1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:15.120 like her head was here and the TV was like 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:18.160 right here. I know I'm really good radio right now. 1:20:18.280 --> 1:20:20.679 The TV was right behind her, and she could tell 1:20:20.720 --> 1:20:23.840 that I was looking through her to the TV at 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:26.840 one point, and she she made it. She was just 1:20:26.880 --> 1:20:28.479 not happy. I don't think she made a switch seats, 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:29.200 but she wasn't. 1:20:29.000 --> 1:20:32.600 You of all people should want that, is it? I 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:34.200 kind of And it was the first year they did it. 1:20:34.240 --> 1:20:36.760 I think it was on Valentine's Day, right, and it 1:20:36.880 --> 1:20:39.599 was like brutal, just good luck, good luck to all you. No, 1:20:39.680 --> 1:20:43.600 oh wee, I look, I I speaking see I have 1:20:43.640 --> 1:20:46.400 the opposite. My birthday is on a major sports day 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:49.200 or weekend, and I love it. My birthday weekend and 1:20:49.240 --> 1:20:52.320 it's not always exact day. My birthday weekend, uh is 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:55.200 usually the first weekend of March Madness, which is awesome. 1:20:55.800 --> 1:20:57.760 They'd better not expand the tornament. I do not want 1:20:57.760 --> 1:20:59.800 that to be the second weekend. It's also it's just 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:02.080 too it's too many teams. It's too many teams. 1:21:02.160 --> 1:21:06.160 Do not expand, Charlie Baker, do not expand March Madness. Please, 1:21:06.320 --> 1:21:08.160 it's fine, so plenty of teams. 1:21:08.240 --> 1:21:11.360 You say this though, and Justin and I are going 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:15.120 on six years together. Can you believe that's? Yeah? It's crazy, like, 1:21:15.160 --> 1:21:17.880 throw us a party for that six years? Well, isn't 1:21:17.920 --> 1:21:20.519 that the That might be Yeah, that might be the goal. 1:21:20.640 --> 1:21:22.640 There's a thing, there is a party for that that 1:21:22.680 --> 1:21:24.600 people generally have, by the way. 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:30.240 So anyways, uh may the Patriots have obviously never played 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:32.719 in the Super Bowl, yeah, in that six year period, 1:21:32.800 --> 1:21:38.160 so hopefully fingers crossed Mike Rabel all goes well, But 1:21:38.920 --> 1:21:42.479 imagine my world if I am not only am I 1:21:42.560 --> 1:21:45.200 gone for the entire week covering the Super Bowl, woe 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:47.719 is me, but I am also not home for her birthday. 1:21:47.760 --> 1:21:49.040 So it's been six years. 1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:51.439 So literally, so you guys, the first year you guys 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.600 were together was nineteen yeah, because because I remember watching that, 1:21:54.680 --> 1:21:56.559 I was I was with you guys for that super Bowl. 1:21:56.360 --> 1:22:00.080 So twenty nineteen. Yeah, we met in October during football 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:03.479 season of October of twenty nineteen and U and that 1:22:03.680 --> 1:22:07.919 was That was a weird football season for me because 1:22:08.040 --> 1:22:11.759 my priority has changed quite rapidly, like all of a sudden, 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:14.640 I went from like only obsessed with football to like 1:22:14.920 --> 1:22:16.920 having this whole other thing in my life. My life 1:22:16.960 --> 1:22:19.800 definitely changed for the better, but it definitely changed. 1:22:19.840 --> 1:22:23.439 They're gonna move to the Patriots, and the Patriots they're 1:22:23.439 --> 1:22:25.360 gonna move it back. The only shame in then moving 1:22:25.360 --> 1:22:25.639 it back. 1:22:25.680 --> 1:22:28.719 I remember the Patriots, so that the first week of February, 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:32.160 right Februar one, two, three, four, five, sixty seven, I 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:34.720 believe I remember looking at some the time. The Patriots 1:22:34.720 --> 1:22:37.439 have won Super Bowls on I think five of those dates, 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:40.360 so they only needed two more, and we would have 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:44.440 spent the entire week with a Patriots super Bowl anniversary 1:22:44.439 --> 1:22:47.160 on every day. And now when they win another one, 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:48.960 we'll have to wait a whole other week. That one 1:22:49.000 --> 1:22:50.800 will be separate from all the others, and we only 1:22:50.840 --> 1:22:53.000 have five days of the week we get to separate 1:22:53.080 --> 1:22:54.080 celebrate super Bowls. 1:22:54.080 --> 1:22:54.840 Oh woe was us. 1:22:54.880 --> 1:22:57.759 But we'll get back to the football here in a second. 1:22:57.840 --> 1:23:01.800 But just one last offseason things. So Frank Amer, congratulations 1:23:01.840 --> 1:23:05.640 to got married, smart man. This is the time to 1:23:05.680 --> 1:23:08.400 get married if you're if you're in any NFL. 1:23:08.160 --> 1:23:10.600 Unless they move this calendar, and then his anniversary is 1:23:10.600 --> 1:23:11.599 going to be during trient camp. 1:23:11.720 --> 1:23:14.719 But in theory, you line up. It's not just about 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:16.800 the wedding day. Everybody thinks about the wedding day, but 1:23:16.880 --> 1:23:20.880 nobody thinks about the wedding day and the anniversary, right, 1:23:20.920 --> 1:23:23.640 because then it's your anniversary every single year too. If 1:23:23.680 --> 1:23:25.680 you do it during football season, not only did you 1:23:25.680 --> 1:23:28.640 get married during football season, but then your anniversary now 1:23:28.720 --> 1:23:31.639 falls on football season every single year. So smart man 1:23:32.400 --> 1:23:35.560 got married right during this dead time of the offseason, 1:23:35.640 --> 1:23:37.920 right now, and now every year, he should be safe. 1:23:37.960 --> 1:23:40.040 I think he'll be safe unless they move his calendar. 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.200 Unless they move the calendar, and then he's screwed. All right, 1:23:42.439 --> 1:23:45.759 let's get back to the phones here. Robin is in Westboro. 1:23:45.880 --> 1:23:46.599 What's up, Robin? 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:53.160 Hey, guys, that's going Hey good. So I sort of 1:23:53.160 --> 1:23:55.799 have a bone to pick with both of you about 1:23:55.800 --> 1:23:57.559 this argument. 1:23:57.960 --> 1:23:58.280 Okay. 1:23:59.520 --> 1:24:02.920 I feel like the media is split into people who 1:24:03.000 --> 1:24:07.360 don't like math, like math and uh no one who 1:24:07.560 --> 1:24:12.240 actually does math. I see you as a lot of 1:24:12.240 --> 1:24:17.639 people who are handed as statistic and trusted equicitly or 1:24:17.680 --> 1:24:20.720 they are distrusted immediately. 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:24.599 All these formulas are secret. 1:24:24.720 --> 1:24:27.160 You can't do it yourself. All the formulas are kept secret. 1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:29.040 No, No, but you can create. 1:24:28.880 --> 1:24:32.000 Your still have a general idea how it calculates. 1:24:32.920 --> 1:24:34.599 No, that's the whole thing with dv o A. It's 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:36.839 a secret formula, right, you don't know how it's calculate. 1:24:37.600 --> 1:24:39.880 DVO is definitely a bit more secret. But I think 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:42.160 e p A is actually something you could work with 1:24:42.240 --> 1:24:43.120 a lot more. 1:24:43.479 --> 1:24:44.080 You could code it. 1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:46.120 You have not a code. 1:24:46.160 --> 1:24:49.160 That's yeah, the average football fans coding. The average fans 1:24:49.200 --> 1:24:55.479 coding is uh. I think QB are secret, right, pride secret. 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:58.200 We don't want people to know because we're just trying 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:00.360 to create things that fit our narrative. Sorry, go, you 1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:01.200 could let him tell. 1:25:01.800 --> 1:25:04.160 But my point is. My point is that people people 1:25:04.200 --> 1:25:08.439 who do MAK understand that there's assumptions built into it 1:25:08.960 --> 1:25:12.320 and are are less likely to trust their own statistics 1:25:12.520 --> 1:25:18.360 because they know where the shortcomings are. And I just 1:25:18.360 --> 1:25:21.559 wanted to say, like, e p A is a very 1:25:21.640 --> 1:25:22.680 real stat. 1:25:24.880 --> 1:25:27.080 Alex, Yeah, what is it? 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:28.439 What is it? The measure of. 1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:31.280 Expected points? 1:25:31.439 --> 1:25:33.759 But it's expect. It's not real, it's expected. 1:25:33.800 --> 1:25:36.439 It's right there, Robin all. 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:42.080 Expected is average point. It's just where his abilities. So 1:25:42.200 --> 1:25:45.640 we say expected, Yeah, he doesn't. He's hung up on 1:25:45.680 --> 1:25:49.040 the word expect. He's hung up on the word expected. 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:54.320 Yeah, Alex, how about this? How about you just read 1:25:54.360 --> 1:25:56.559 a summary of how e p A is calculated? And 1:25:56.600 --> 1:26:00.000 I think you'll like it a much a bit better 1:26:00.000 --> 1:26:03.240 better than you think, because it plays into the situation 1:26:03.360 --> 1:26:06.519 of the game a bit more like this. I'm not 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:08.639 saying it's an all end all it's a great stat 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:13.280 because again there's assumption built in, but I think, uh, 1:26:13.680 --> 1:26:17.479 it plays into the situation a bit more than you think. 1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:19.840 Is that a problem? I thought you had a bone 1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:21.439 to pick with both of us. That's just a. 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:28.720 Talics Oh oh, Evan, Uh, I guess my problem was 1:26:29.280 --> 1:26:33.920 that sometimes you blindly trust the statistics like EPA, do 1:26:34.000 --> 1:26:36.680 you do you know how it's calculated you or do 1:26:36.720 --> 1:26:38.320 you have a general idea you don't need to know 1:26:38.360 --> 1:26:43.360 the nitty gritty yes, yeah, and stuff like that. It 1:26:43.400 --> 1:26:48.240 helps you understand what the statistic is. Basically, what I'm 1:26:48.240 --> 1:26:50.840 saying is watch the game film of the statistics rather 1:26:50.920 --> 1:26:54.439 than just have a statistics to spit out. 1:26:55.800 --> 1:26:58.800 Oh yeah, I mean, I think I watch enough game 1:26:58.840 --> 1:27:01.400 film for all of us. But thanks for the call, Robin. Yeah, 1:27:01.439 --> 1:27:04.120 I hear what he's saying. No, I'm not a I'm 1:27:04.160 --> 1:27:07.000 not a statistician like I didn't. I'm not a I'm 1:27:07.000 --> 1:27:09.720 not a that much of a math guy. I am 1:27:09.760 --> 1:27:12.599 one of those math guys that if you give me 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:16.040 the numbers, I then interpret the numbers the way I 1:27:16.040 --> 1:27:18.400 want to interpret them. Right, I'm not somebody that's actually 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:21.519 calculating the numbers itself. I'm not Aaron Shatz, Like, I'm 1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:24.840 not building a formula and calculating numbers. I just use 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:27.400 the numbers at Aaron Shatz gives me to then draw 1:27:27.479 --> 1:27:28.360 conclusions from them. 1:27:28.560 --> 1:27:30.720 But you don't know. But so this is what bothers me. 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:32.799 You don't know what the basis is for those numbers. 1:27:33.400 --> 1:27:36.640 DVOA is his own formula. So that's that's something that 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:39.840 is a little bit more cut and dry in terms 1:27:39.880 --> 1:27:43.360 of that. But expected points added, I do know for 1:27:43.400 --> 1:27:45.080 the most part how it's calculated. 1:27:45.680 --> 1:27:49.200 You know, take what it is basically on average, this 1:27:49.200 --> 1:27:51.360 this team would score this many points on this drive. 1:27:51.439 --> 1:27:53.599 This is how much they actually scored on this drive. 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:56.240 This is the difference plus or minus or whatever. I 1:27:56.280 --> 1:27:59.040 don't care about that. Why did they do better than 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:01.160 the average team did? Why did they did where? I 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:05.080 would like to think that most football fans people watch 1:28:05.160 --> 1:28:09.519 the game semi regularly can figure that out by watching 1:28:09.560 --> 1:28:13.160 the game themselves. Hey, this team started at the opposents 1:28:13.240 --> 1:28:15.519 thirty yard line, it didn't score. I don't need a 1:28:15.600 --> 1:28:18.679 number to tell me that was a bad drive. Why 1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:21.200 didn't they score? Was the pass protection bad? Did the 1:28:21.280 --> 1:28:23.720 quarterback make a bad decision? Was the play calling bad? 1:28:23.920 --> 1:28:26.639 Did the defense make an unbelievable play? Did the coach 1:28:26.680 --> 1:28:29.320 make a bad decision? In terms of going forward, like 1:28:29.400 --> 1:28:34.160 that's don't I don't care that, you know, well, the 1:28:34.240 --> 1:28:36.280 average team usually scores here and they didn't. I know, 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:38.760 I know, and I'd like to maybe I'm giving the 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:41.120 average fan too much credit. I'd like to think the 1:28:41.120 --> 1:28:42.960 average fan knows without being shown a number. 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:46.679 But I don't think that that's I don't think that's 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:50.200 out for debate in terms of that's not what the 1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:52.400 numbers are being used for. The numbers are being used 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:56.360 to do two things. Either rank things, yeah, you know, 1:28:56.680 --> 1:29:01.560 ranked players, rank offenses, ranked defenses, or to just like quantify, 1:29:02.840 --> 1:29:05.639 you know, so and so is having a really good 1:29:05.680 --> 1:29:08.880 season in this area of the game. Third down. Let's say, 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:12.080 you know, what are like all the NFL teams or 1:29:12.080 --> 1:29:14.600 what are like, who's the best third down team in 1:29:14.600 --> 1:29:17.519 the NFL. I know you might traditionally just use like 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:19.920 the percentages of did you make it or did you 1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:22.680 not make it? But EPA takes that into account and 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:25.519 then also adds more of like did you generate an 1:29:25.560 --> 1:29:28.760 explosive play on third down? Not just did you pick 1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:30.840 up seven yards on third and six, but did you 1:29:30.840 --> 1:29:31.880 pick up twenty seve years. 1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:35.200 We already have numbers for all this. We have third 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:37.880 down percentage, we have our average yards gains per third down. 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:39.839 I know you're gonna tell me, well, third down percentage 1:29:39.840 --> 1:29:42.640 doesn't work because you know, if one team has an 1:29:42.680 --> 1:29:44.200 average of eight yards to go and one team has 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.080 an average for five yards to go, obviously the five 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:50.000 yard team. Okay, but that's almost removing the context because well, 1:29:50.000 --> 1:29:53.479 you know, relatively speaking, the team that's in third and eight, 1:29:54.400 --> 1:29:57.160 you know, converts more than the team that's in third 1:29:57.160 --> 1:29:59.840 and five, even though the percentage is lower. Okay, but 1:29:59.880 --> 1:30:01.960 the the team that's in third and five more often 1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:05.160 is still the better team because they're getting the third 1:30:05.160 --> 1:30:07.320 and five instead of third and eight. I actually don't 1:30:07.320 --> 1:30:09.920 want that piece of context removed. I want that in there. 1:30:10.360 --> 1:30:16.479 So like, I just think it's again it's I'm not 1:30:16.520 --> 1:30:19.160 even saying the numbers are wrong. I just think it's 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:24.880 in people creating another they're adding or subtracting context as 1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:27.639 they want in order to find a number that supports 1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:28.280 their argument. 1:30:28.640 --> 1:30:30.880 That's what analytics are to me. 1:30:31.080 --> 1:30:34.320 So often they feel backwards engineered that this is what 1:30:34.360 --> 1:30:37.040 I believe, and I need a number that I can 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:40.240 put out there to say what I believe versus I 1:30:40.320 --> 1:30:42.240 believe this, and here are the numbers that back it up. 1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:46.160 Because it's why can't people say, I think some of 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:47.880 these people because they don't watch the game in a 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:50.000 way they can say I believe this, and maybe the 1:30:50.080 --> 1:30:51.960 numbers don't back it up, but here are the x 1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:54.720 and ose football reasons why it's true. The numbers are 1:30:54.760 --> 1:30:56.839 in there to replace the x and ose football reasons, 1:30:56.920 --> 1:30:59.559 which I understand simplifies it for some. But I also 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:02.840 think it's become something that's kind of become a lazy tool. 1:31:03.080 --> 1:31:06.120 So two things to that, and to a different point 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:11.559 to that. Specifically, I tried to like the caller's point 1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:13.800 about like watch the film that which is I think 1:31:13.840 --> 1:31:16.400 is funny, so to I try to watch the I 1:31:16.479 --> 1:31:18.840 watched the film first and foremost all the time. So 1:31:18.960 --> 1:31:20.719 when you but I when I look at the film, 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:24.400 and I'll say, just in my head, when I watched 1:31:24.439 --> 1:31:29.200 that tape. My takeaway was that they were really successful 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:32.439 this week with gap runs for whatever reason, their downhill 1:31:32.479 --> 1:31:35.759 run scheme, the gap schemes. Those schemes are really humming today. 1:31:36.400 --> 1:31:40.240 But in theory like that could be anecdotal, right like 1:31:40.280 --> 1:31:42.120 where it's just a couple of big plays stand out 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:45.040 in your head and that's how it feels. What I 1:31:45.160 --> 1:31:48.400 like about the numbers is that I can say the 1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:51.880 Patriots are really effective in man coverage this week, or 1:31:51.920 --> 1:31:55.360 the Patriots are really affected effective with gap runs this week, 1:31:55.560 --> 1:31:58.400 and then I can put not just my eye test 1:31:58.479 --> 1:32:00.559 to it. I can put an actual quant a fiable 1:32:00.720 --> 1:32:03.760 number to it and say the Patriots are really good 1:32:03.760 --> 1:32:07.200 in gap runs this week. Their EPA was plus whatever. 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:11.120 So now you say you have my film analysis backed 1:32:11.200 --> 1:32:13.719 up by the numbers. If you're going to the numbers 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:17.040 and then reverse engineering like you said, and then trying 1:32:17.080 --> 1:32:19.400 to pry out the film that supports the numbers, you're 1:32:19.439 --> 1:32:19.960 doing the back. 1:32:20.080 --> 1:32:23.280 Don't you believe that there's people that do that? Probably, yeah, 1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:23.639 there are. 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:25.240 But I think that the hope is is that the 1:32:25.240 --> 1:32:28.080 football people, the people actually in the football world that 1:32:28.120 --> 1:32:31.120 are making these decisions or commentading on this type of 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:34.280 stuff are doing in the way I'm so, and it's 1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:40.759 this is what I'm seeing because let's face it, I'm 1:32:41.320 --> 1:32:43.840 I fully am aware. I am not a coach. I 1:32:43.840 --> 1:32:45.920 am not in a football front office, I am not 1:32:46.000 --> 1:32:48.360 on a coaching staff. So yeah, I can sit here 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:50.120 and tell you that I know how to watch the film. 1:32:50.320 --> 1:32:52.360 If you don't believe that, I totally understand. 1:32:52.360 --> 1:32:55.000 But why can't you do Why couldn't you just do 1:32:55.880 --> 1:32:58.280 yards per carry on gap versus yards per carry on 1:32:58.320 --> 1:32:58.719 that gap? 1:32:58.960 --> 1:33:01.840 You could, but yards per carrying itself, like kind of 1:33:01.880 --> 1:33:04.640 the callers point has inherent flaws to the statistic, Like 1:33:04.680 --> 1:33:07.640 what if like a two yard run on thirty and 1:33:07.640 --> 1:33:09.360 one is much different than the two yard run on 1:33:09.400 --> 1:33:12.759 first and ten. That's where EPA can help. Like EPA, 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:14.200 that's the goal of the statistics. 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:17.720 So the one that I've started coming around on it's 1:33:17.840 --> 1:33:21.519 success rate. It's a similarity, which is basically like did 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:24.160 you get x percentage yards to a first down? 1:33:24.240 --> 1:33:24.400 Right? 1:33:25.040 --> 1:33:27.599 Yeah? So the way that I look at EPA is, 1:33:27.680 --> 1:33:30.000 you know, just kind of sum it up beyond just 1:33:30.200 --> 1:33:33.840 its expensive points at it. EPA to me is a 1:33:33.840 --> 1:33:40.160 better measurement of like explosiveness of your offense, like essentially 1:33:40.240 --> 1:33:42.559 just like a more glorified yards per play. 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:46.320 Okay, we have other explode we have explosive play percentage. 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:49.200 Right, but when you look at explosive play percentage, you're 1:33:49.280 --> 1:33:51.800 you're taking the sample and you're going like this because 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:54.760 you're only looking at the plays that are actually explosive. 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:57.799 EPA takes all of the plays into account and measures 1:33:57.800 --> 1:34:02.280 how just explosive an offense is compared to the to 1:34:02.320 --> 1:34:06.120 the average. Right, you can still success rate is really good. 1:34:06.120 --> 1:34:09.080 Success rate is like consistency of an offense, like how 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:12.599 consistently are you taking chunks out of the chance? 1:34:12.800 --> 1:34:13.040 Right? 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:15.360 So success rate I've kind of come around because you know, 1:34:15.439 --> 1:34:17.200 my theory is that like if you run the ball 1:34:17.240 --> 1:34:19.080 for three point four yards per car, you never need 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.559 to throw it, which is not literally true, but it's 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:25.360 kind of a thought experiment, right, So like I don't 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:28.759 hate that idea of Okay, how often are you remember 1:34:28.760 --> 1:34:30.240 a couple years ago, I got really into that thing 1:34:30.280 --> 1:34:33.360 about average yard average yards to go on first down. Yes, 1:34:33.520 --> 1:34:35.600 so like that kind of thing I'm super interested in. 1:34:36.640 --> 1:34:39.599 The The EPA to me is just like I don't 1:34:40.600 --> 1:34:42.760 you don't understand it, and nobody do you understand? No, 1:34:42.880 --> 1:34:44.200 but I no, I mean like you can't. 1:34:44.520 --> 1:34:47.040 You can't wrap your head around it because of the 1:34:47.040 --> 1:34:48.880 math equation, Like you don't, it's a form. 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:50.439 What is the equation? What is the equation? 1:34:50.560 --> 1:34:52.479 Oh, I can't just look like it's it's not just 1:34:52.520 --> 1:34:54.880 like as simple as a public yard. Yeah, I mean 1:34:54.880 --> 1:34:56.040 it's it's public. 1:34:57.280 --> 1:34:58.639 Is it public or public? 1:34:59.640 --> 1:35:03.120 If you or to look it's public. Now Here's the thing, 1:35:03.680 --> 1:35:05.960 the thing that I think bothers me the most about 1:35:05.960 --> 1:35:08.719 your argument, because I hear some of your other arguments 1:35:08.720 --> 1:35:12.320 about this. You and your brethren are caught up on 1:35:12.360 --> 1:35:15.960 the word expected because in other sports it means it's 1:35:15.960 --> 1:35:17.720 something different than what it means when it comes to 1:35:17.760 --> 1:35:25.479 EPA and basketball. It's like expected points are expected like percentage, Yeah, right, 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:31.120 like that that's a projected number. It's not a real number. 1:35:31.479 --> 1:35:34.919 It is if we take this shot one hundred times, 1:35:35.160 --> 1:35:37.479 we expect to make it seventy percent of the time. 1:35:37.760 --> 1:35:40.439 But it's not taking into account like your brethren likes 1:35:40.479 --> 1:35:43.040 to say, it's Game seven of the NBA Finals and 1:35:43.080 --> 1:35:45.680 the pressure's on, and like it's a different shot than 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:49.880 in January that expected goals in hockey, same thing. You're 1:35:49.880 --> 1:35:52.400 taking shots from a high danger area. Most of the 1:35:52.400 --> 1:35:54.920 time those shots go in. This amount of times you 1:35:55.000 --> 1:35:57.000 got hoser, the goalie stood on his head, and it 1:35:57.080 --> 1:35:59.760 only went in this many times in this game. That's 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:01.639 not what we're talking about when it comes to EPA. 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:06.080 EPA is taking in this situation, first and ten from 1:36:06.120 --> 1:36:10.599 the twenty five the league average is this, and you 1:36:10.720 --> 1:36:11.760 produced that. 1:36:11.760 --> 1:36:13.920 But you don't you don't score two and a half 1:36:13.960 --> 1:36:14.840 points on one play. 1:36:15.000 --> 1:36:17.400 But it's not That's not what it is. It's not about, Like, 1:36:17.640 --> 1:36:20.480 we're not talking about it in terms of like touchdowns 1:36:20.520 --> 1:36:22.920 where seven field goals worth three. It's it's on its own. 1:36:22.960 --> 1:36:24.920 So where does that value come from? How are you 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:27.519 assigning the value to that? What is the point like, 1:36:27.680 --> 1:36:31.040 it's not referring, it's referring to something that's hypothetical, right 1:36:31.320 --> 1:36:32.320 if you ever run. 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:35.040 How is it referring? It's it's a it's a baseline 1:36:35.120 --> 1:36:39.240 average of the league. All thirty two teams are this 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:42.360 successful on this particular down and distance in this time and. 1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.000 What what what defined successful in that situation? 1:36:45.560 --> 1:36:48.719 Because you say average place the average amount of yards? 1:36:49.200 --> 1:36:53.080 How on first and ten from the twenty five how often, Like, 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:56.479 what is the average yard per play across the league? 1:36:56.640 --> 1:37:00.120 That's the baseline, that's zero in e p A. If 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:02.519 you are above that, if you let's just call it 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:06.240 four yards. Yeah, if you have if you gain six yards, 1:37:06.400 --> 1:37:08.320 then you're in the green. You're a plus something. 1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:09.360 Would you be plus two? 1:37:09.640 --> 1:37:12.439 No, you're just because because it's so, then what is it? 1:37:12.479 --> 1:37:13.400 What is the number tied to? 1:37:13.600 --> 1:37:16.200 Because the number is on a scale, you're you're talking 1:37:16.240 --> 1:37:18.360 about it like, no, you're talking about it like numbers 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:19.040 on the scoreboard. 1:37:19.040 --> 1:37:21.040 It's not because it's on its own scale, right, So 1:37:21.160 --> 1:37:22.559 this is an imaginary number. 1:37:22.600 --> 1:37:24.719 It's oh my god, it's not an imaginary number. 1:37:24.720 --> 1:37:28.040 There's it's not yards, it's not points, it's not down 1:37:28.160 --> 1:37:28.479 like what. 1:37:28.560 --> 1:37:31.920 Its own statistic. Yeah right, it's not. No, it's not 1:37:32.120 --> 1:37:35.400 made up. Made up is expected field goal percentage? That's 1:37:35.439 --> 1:37:38.680 made up. I get that. This is there's a baseline. 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:42.120 This is the scale based zero of all thirty two 1:37:42.120 --> 1:37:43.920 teams and what they average in the game. 1:37:44.000 --> 1:37:46.240 Okay, what they average. You have to average it. You 1:37:46.840 --> 1:37:50.800 average points, you average yards, you average Okay, So then 1:37:50.880 --> 1:37:53.120 but it's not on it's on its own sliding scale. 1:37:53.120 --> 1:37:55.280 I don't know why that matters. It's on its own scale. 1:37:55.520 --> 1:37:59.920 Zero is zero, it's the average. So you either above zero, 1:38:00.160 --> 1:38:01.000 you're below's eero. 1:38:00.960 --> 1:38:03.800 Or what dictates how much you're above zero? If you 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:06.599 gain two yards above the average, but you're not plus two. 1:38:07.200 --> 1:38:10.559 Because it takes into account the fact that just because 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:13.400 you gain if you're if let's go back to four 1:38:13.600 --> 1:38:16.680 being the average, just because you gain six yards, that 1:38:16.760 --> 1:38:21.320 in the grand scheme, that's like only like a faction 1:38:22.200 --> 1:38:25.040 of the actual like impact of this. 1:38:25.240 --> 1:38:28.000 So what dictates how much of a fraction it is? 1:38:29.000 --> 1:38:32.120 The situation? What is it in the game? What is 1:38:32.160 --> 1:38:35.479 a down like third downs obviously gonna have more weight, 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:38.160 a turnover, a touchdown is gonna have well soot. 1:38:38.640 --> 1:38:40.599 So that sounds like it would. What about a team 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:42.240 that nickels and dimes its way down the field? 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:46.840 Yeah, they would technically speaking, like they wouldn't be super 1:38:46.880 --> 1:38:48.960 super high. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be top 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:51.360 ten or something like that, but compared to but if. 1:38:51.280 --> 1:38:53.760 You have a team that dam nickels and dimes its 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:56.439 way down the field, so it doesn't leave room for 1:38:56.479 --> 1:39:00.800 that like the the early Brady Patriots, right versus those 1:39:00.920 --> 1:39:05.920 Manning's Colts teams, who would have had a better EPAE 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:06.639 more games. 1:39:06.760 --> 1:39:09.000 It's a good question. I don't drink those. 1:39:09.960 --> 1:39:12.280 Those Patriots teams are not hunting explosive plays. 1:39:12.400 --> 1:39:14.599 I don't think we those Colts teams were. But like 1:39:14.640 --> 1:39:16.240 you're you're caught. You're so caught up. 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:18.240 You can't go back that far because now this number 1:39:18.280 --> 1:39:20.080 is informing or it doesn't go back for far because 1:39:20.080 --> 1:39:22.680 the number is now informing decisions and the preferences and 1:39:22.720 --> 1:39:23.920 what you value has been changed. 1:39:24.040 --> 1:39:25.920 No, you can't go back that far because we just 1:39:25.960 --> 1:39:28.120 haven't had a nerd that's taken the time to go. 1:39:28.120 --> 1:39:30.080 Back that far. Somebody should. I'd be curious. 1:39:30.320 --> 1:39:33.320 I think I want to see, say, we go back 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:33.880 pretty far. 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:36.679 It goes back to like two thousand and six. Actually, 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:38.040 I feel like I remember seeing. 1:39:37.800 --> 1:39:40.680 This, but it's not. It's not two thousand and three. Like, 1:39:40.720 --> 1:39:42.479 I don't think we can go here. I'll pull it 1:39:42.520 --> 1:39:45.599 up for you. Oh this one. Actually, this database actually 1:39:45.640 --> 1:39:46.880 goes back to nineteen ninety nine. 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:47.400 Interesting. 1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:50.679 If you want to have the exact the exact number 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:52.439 for you here, I'll pull it up for you live 1:39:52.520 --> 1:39:54.799 on the show. This is great Radio I know everybody's 1:39:54.840 --> 1:39:59.000 super into this right now, but like when I hear this, 1:39:59.479 --> 1:40:05.040 it's stat EPA talked about on your station, and people 1:40:05.080 --> 1:40:07.640 like you. You guys get so caught up in the 1:40:07.680 --> 1:40:10.920 word expected, like it just stands out to you, like 1:40:11.080 --> 1:40:13.920 it's like stabbing you in the because which. 1:40:13.840 --> 1:40:18.160 So great about sports is it's unexpected. It's not quantifiable. 1:40:18.479 --> 1:40:22.200 There are unexpected things. You don't show up to watch. 1:40:22.240 --> 1:40:24.920 What's expected. You show up to a sporting event. 1:40:24.880 --> 1:40:27.920 Nobody effect watch the game. 1:40:28.439 --> 1:40:32.160 We are trying to quantify, but but it's being told, well, you, 1:40:32.360 --> 1:40:34.280 I know you think you saw this, but the numbers 1:40:34.280 --> 1:40:36.519 actually say you saw that. I know what I saw. 1:40:37.200 --> 1:40:39.560 Because you're smarter than everybody else. The two thousand and 1:40:39.600 --> 1:40:42.920 three Patriots were sixteenth in EPA, middle of the pack. 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:47.040 What year two thousand and three? The two thousand and 1:40:47.040 --> 1:40:50.400 four Patriots. Let's see, I'm trying to use my finger here. 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:52.720 It's not as easy as I was wanting it to be. 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:55.000 The two thousand and four Patriots is I think we're 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:57.040 a little bit better offensively than two thousand. 1:40:56.800 --> 1:40:58.880 And three were sixth? 1:40:59.240 --> 1:40:59.840 So good team? 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:01.519 What were the peyton Man and Colts? 1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:01.760 Oh? 1:41:01.960 --> 1:41:05.040 Like off the charts first, right, Okay, so, but but. 1:41:05.000 --> 1:41:06.719 The payment a better offense? 1:41:06.800 --> 1:41:08.679 Who was in the Super But they were better offense? 1:41:08.720 --> 1:41:09.559 Who was in the Super Bowl? 1:41:09.600 --> 1:41:12.120 But what do you mean who this was? It's a 1:41:12.160 --> 1:41:14.880 whole other side of the ball. Like the Patriots defense 1:41:14.960 --> 1:41:17.200 was much better. Like if you look at the Patriots 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:19.240 defense in two thousand and four, I'm sure that they're very, 1:41:20.040 --> 1:41:22.559 very good in e PA. They were seventh in e 1:41:22.560 --> 1:41:27.120 PA on defense that year. Baltimore was number one. So 1:41:27.280 --> 1:41:28.920 like you can't just say who's in the Super Bowl, 1:41:29.040 --> 1:41:31.000 like there's two other there's a whole nother phase of 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:34.200 the game. Like that is we're just measuring offense, Like 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:36.120 the two thousand and seven Patriots are the number one 1:41:36.240 --> 1:41:38.400 team in DVA in the history of d v A. 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:40.160 I'm pretty sure that sounds right. 1:41:40.280 --> 1:41:44.559 So like I digress, the caller got us on this 1:41:44.840 --> 1:41:47.519 on this tangent, all right, so don't blame us. Aldred 1:41:47.680 --> 1:41:52.280 is uh? Is this Eldred Aldrid? What's up? Aldred? Yes 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:52.559 it is? 1:41:52.840 --> 1:42:01.840 Hey man, I love here better than But my question 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:04.840 is there's the offensive line. And then this rumored that 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:08.640 keeps going around about Triberdahl coming to the page. I 1:42:08.760 --> 1:42:11.680 might do every player Rubert to coming to us no 1:42:11.720 --> 1:42:19.160 matter what and what we're doing. Tribadau they got for 1:42:19.240 --> 1:42:21.479 the for the Giant. Did he drafted a couple of 1:42:21.520 --> 1:42:24.200 years ago because they got I do Carter they got? 1:42:25.400 --> 1:42:28.040 And oh the defensive line. I was thinking on offense? 1:42:28.120 --> 1:42:29.920 Okay, yeah, yeah, deepenive line. 1:42:30.000 --> 1:42:30.240 Yeah. 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:32.880 So did y'all hear that rumor? 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:36.040 Do y'all think it's just a rumor or possibility? 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:38.759 According to Pat Chat, that what they're talking about. 1:42:39.800 --> 1:42:41.600 Nice, Thanks for the call, Eldrid. 1:42:41.320 --> 1:42:41.400 Uh. 1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:46.519 Yes, so Keevon Thibodeau in New York? I did did 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:49.000 they give him a contract or not? I always get 1:42:49.040 --> 1:42:51.840 this confused. I'm sorry, I don't think they gave him 1:42:51.880 --> 1:42:52.800 a contract yet. 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:53.320 Uh. 1:42:53.360 --> 1:42:57.280 He's recently drafted in the first round, hasn't fully lived 1:42:57.320 --> 1:43:00.479 up to it. They now have Abdua Carter they just afted, 1:43:00.600 --> 1:43:03.360 and uh they have Brian Burns who they traded for. 1:43:03.640 --> 1:43:07.160 So they have three three starting edge rushers essentially on 1:43:07.200 --> 1:43:10.000 the team. Kvon Thibodeau, I want to say, is still 1:43:10.000 --> 1:43:11.080 on his rookie contract. 1:43:11.200 --> 1:43:11.479 He is. 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:13.759 Uh, they picked up his fifth year option. 1:43:14.200 --> 1:43:18.559 So in theory, he's tradable like he's a possible trade candidate. 1:43:19.120 --> 1:43:20.519 They picked up his fifth year option. 1:43:20.680 --> 1:43:23.439 He's going into the year he's cold strangest draft, so he's. 1:43:23.439 --> 1:43:25.000 He's going into his fourth year, so he has two 1:43:25.040 --> 1:43:28.639 more years of keeping control most of the time this year. 1:43:29.240 --> 1:43:31.920 It would be really next offseason that they would probably 1:43:31.920 --> 1:43:37.000 trade him, but it's an option. You know, he's definitely 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:39.680 more of a hybrid edge Like he's definitely more of 1:43:39.680 --> 1:43:42.320 a hand up, pan down kind of edge defender, you know, 1:43:42.360 --> 1:43:44.800 doing a little bit of both and really outside the 1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:49.080 tackle type of player longer, if I'm not mistaken, you know, 1:43:49.160 --> 1:43:51.360 kind of one of those types of builds, has a 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:53.880 lot of traits. Never really put it together in college 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:56.439 or the pros though, Like he's never been a huge producer. 1:43:56.680 --> 1:43:58.719 He's always just been kind of a trade based type 1:43:58.720 --> 1:44:01.599 of player. I didn't hate it, Like he needs somebody 1:44:01.640 --> 1:44:04.360 young and somebody developmental at that spot. I think we're 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:07.920 both in the camp of probably drafting looking at that 1:44:08.000 --> 1:44:11.320 spot as a draftable thing coming up here. So I 1:44:11.360 --> 1:44:13.599 wouldn't hate them them being in on that. Like I'm 1:44:13.600 --> 1:44:16.600 not giving up any the farm for him, but I wouldn't. 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:18.000 Hate he's available. They should make the call, But I 1:44:18.280 --> 1:44:19.800 wouldn't expect anything to be imminent there. 1:44:19.800 --> 1:44:22.160 I also think it's you know, you want the Giants 1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:24.519 of all teams should know the value in having a 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:27.600 deep pass rush, and three starting caliber players at that 1:44:27.640 --> 1:44:29.439 position is not necessarily a problem. 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:31.880 It does help that Abdull Carter is so versatile like 1:44:31.960 --> 1:44:34.000 Abdul Carter can play in line, he can play off 1:44:34.040 --> 1:44:36.800 the ball, he can play on the edge Michael Parsons type, 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:38.519 so that does help. He's not as long as I remember, 1:44:38.560 --> 1:44:41.840 six four two fifty four thirty three eighth inch arms, 1:44:41.880 --> 1:44:43.880 so a little bit shorter, you know, a little bit 1:44:43.920 --> 1:44:47.960 more chiseled. They're cut off than I thought. But good athlete, 1:44:48.000 --> 1:44:50.160 good traits. Just hasn't really put it all together with 1:44:50.200 --> 1:44:53.559 the Giants. I'd say, like on the radar, like somebody 1:44:53.560 --> 1:44:55.880 that I if he does come available more aggressively, I 1:44:55.920 --> 1:44:58.920 wouldn't be if they made that trade. I wouldn't hate it. 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:00.240 Depending on the return. 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:02.040 Obviously, yeah, I mean he's a good player. Wouldn't be 1:45:02.040 --> 1:45:03.559 against some ada him. I just don't think the Giants 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:05.240 are going to be in a rush to give him up. 1:45:05.640 --> 1:45:08.080 All right, Ron is in Alabama? What's up? Ron? 1:45:09.920 --> 1:45:10.040 Oh? 1:45:10.120 --> 1:45:11.800 Well, I'd likely on air. 1:45:11.960 --> 1:45:13.280 Great, Yes, yes you are. 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:14.600 So. 1:45:14.680 --> 1:45:18.519 I have a statement. I think we all can agree 1:45:18.520 --> 1:45:24.040 that the quarterback is better than in twenty twenty one. 1:45:24.560 --> 1:45:27.000 The weapons are better than we haven't we had in 1:45:27.080 --> 1:45:31.600 twenty twenty one. The difference now is, you know, we 1:45:31.640 --> 1:45:36.360 had Josh McDaniel, but I don't know the difference in 1:45:36.400 --> 1:45:39.800 the offensive line. Can you go over kind of the 1:45:39.880 --> 1:45:45.120 offensive line in twenty twenty one that how that affected 1:45:45.120 --> 1:45:47.360 that season to go into what nine or ten wins 1:45:47.360 --> 1:45:54.000 with mag John's Yeah, and maybe let me talk about 1:45:54.000 --> 1:45:55.320 that a little bit and I'll get off there. 1:45:55.439 --> 1:45:57.880 Yeah, sure, thank Ron, Thanks thanks for the call. McDaniels 1:45:57.920 --> 1:46:00.280 was here in twenty one two, but that's that's yeah, 1:46:00.760 --> 1:46:01.519 not here nor there. 1:46:02.000 --> 1:46:06.360 So they had it was David Andrews at center, Shack 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:10.719 Mason at guard, Ted Carris left guard, had left guard 1:46:10.840 --> 1:46:14.639 Isaiah went at one tackle and then the other tackle rotated. 1:46:14.640 --> 1:46:16.080 Trent Brown played. 1:46:16.520 --> 1:46:20.840 Ten games and then wait, hang on, David, I'm just 1:46:20.920 --> 1:46:22.840 I sorted by snaps on PFF to make sure I 1:46:22.840 --> 1:46:25.000 got the right group. David Andrews started every game at center. 1:46:25.320 --> 1:46:31.240 Shaq Mason played sixteen at guard at right guard. Yeah, 1:46:31.280 --> 1:46:33.519 so I'll help you out okay, Andrew Shack and Ted 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:37.080 Carris was the interior. Isaiah Win played one guard, but oh, 1:46:37.120 --> 1:46:40.360 I should be going by snaps. Left tackle was Isaiah Win, 1:46:40.840 --> 1:46:44.240 left guard, left guard was ten Ted Carris with some 1:46:44.360 --> 1:46:50.400 Mike and when who center was David Andrews Brown? Yeah, 1:46:50.400 --> 1:46:52.840 well Trent Brown and Mike and when who kind of 1:46:52.880 --> 1:46:53.920 split at right tackle? 1:46:54.040 --> 1:46:59.080 Yeah? So what I remember of that line because I 1:46:59.120 --> 1:47:02.639 was a big teddy cave still am on When who 1:47:02.680 --> 1:47:05.760 started the season at right guard or left guard? Excuse me? 1:47:05.920 --> 1:47:06.120 Yeah? 1:47:06.640 --> 1:47:08.439 And it did not go well. He did not play 1:47:08.760 --> 1:47:12.240 very particularly well left guard, but there was obviously after 1:47:12.240 --> 1:47:14.000 his rookie season there was just a ton of hope 1:47:14.000 --> 1:47:17.519 and everyone figured he had a bright future. So they 1:47:17.520 --> 1:47:20.640 played him at left guard, and it was semi controversial 1:47:20.840 --> 1:47:23.920 that Ted Carris replaced him in the starting lineup at 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:28.439 left guard. But for whatever reason, first six to eight 1:47:28.479 --> 1:47:31.080 games of the season in twenty twenty one, it was 1:47:31.120 --> 1:47:33.000 a little bit rocky, you know, when it wasn't playing 1:47:33.040 --> 1:47:37.040 particularly well, Win had his issues. Right tackle was not 1:47:37.200 --> 1:47:41.320 solidified necessarily either, with you know, a little bit on Winny, 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:44.040 a little bit of Brown, and then they put Ted 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:46.559 Carriss in the starting lineup at left guard, and for 1:47:46.600 --> 1:47:48.880 whatever reason, it kind of all came together from there 1:47:48.960 --> 1:47:51.839 and they were pretty solid for most of that season 1:47:53.040 --> 1:47:57.000 on the offensive line. Now, they had Carmen Brisilla was 1:47:57.000 --> 1:47:59.879 the offensive line coach, good offensive line coach, Josh McDaniels 1:47:59.920 --> 1:48:03.759 was the offensive coordinator, good offensive coordinator. But Ted Carris 1:48:03.760 --> 1:48:07.080 Man he came in and he really like steadied that ship. 1:48:07.360 --> 1:48:10.519 Their line was kind of projecting more closer to what 1:48:10.560 --> 1:48:12.960 we saw and like maybe not quite twenty three, twenty 1:48:12.960 --> 1:48:16.680 four bad, but like twenty two rough, you know, that 1:48:16.840 --> 1:48:19.559 sort of projection, And then they ended up studying out 1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:24.000 and ranking pretty well for the entire season I want 1:48:24.040 --> 1:48:26.479 to see say, and a big part of that was 1:48:26.479 --> 1:48:30.519 Ted Carris So compared to now, it's hard to say 1:48:30.560 --> 1:48:35.240 because they haven't played any games obviously now, but compared 1:48:35.280 --> 1:48:38.080 to now, I would say that that line was more experienced. 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:43.479 You know, you had Andrews Mason. Carris was more of 1:48:43.520 --> 1:48:46.200 a veteran player at that point. Trent Brown certainly was, 1:48:46.800 --> 1:48:49.000 but I don't know if the talent level was all 1:48:49.120 --> 1:48:52.960 that different. You had a young tackle, just like they 1:48:52.960 --> 1:48:56.200 have a young tackle at left tackle now, and you 1:48:56.320 --> 1:48:59.840 had you know, maybe Morgan Moses was a little bit 1:48:59.880 --> 1:49:03.080 more of a name brand than Trent Brown was at 1:49:03.120 --> 1:49:05.240 the time, but Brown had the eighteen season with the Pats. 1:49:05.240 --> 1:49:06.639 I don't know. I think the town level is about 1:49:06.640 --> 1:49:08.479 the same as it was in twenty one. 1:49:08.600 --> 1:49:12.360 Yeah, it's probably a little more charity in twenty twenty one. Right, 1:49:12.400 --> 1:49:14.439 You're gonna have at least one, if not two rookies 1:49:14.479 --> 1:49:17.040 starting this year, so there's unknowns that come with that, 1:49:17.120 --> 1:49:19.080 but the overall talent level, I'd agrees about the same. 1:49:19.400 --> 1:49:24.880 So they've ended up finishing that season eleventh in pass 1:49:24.920 --> 1:49:27.800 block win rates, so pretty good. Eleventh and pass block 1:49:27.800 --> 1:49:30.400 win rate, and sixteenth in run blocking win rate. So 1:49:30.439 --> 1:49:33.080 if they get if that's this year, I'd great, golden. 1:49:33.120 --> 1:49:37.360 I would make that's middle pack. That's average. 1:49:37.360 --> 1:49:39.559 I would take an average offensive line, like they still 1:49:39.560 --> 1:49:41.600 need to be better long term, but we knew they 1:49:41.640 --> 1:49:43.680 weren't going to fix everything with the offensive line this year. 1:49:43.800 --> 1:49:44.080 Yeah. 1:49:44.240 --> 1:49:48.160 Yeah, that line ended up being pretty solid in twenty one. Yeah, 1:49:48.240 --> 1:49:48.920 it ended up that. 1:49:49.120 --> 1:49:51.439 I'd be curious what those numbers are and I don't know. 1:49:51.479 --> 1:49:52.800 I don't think you can filter it this way, but 1:49:52.880 --> 1:49:54.760 like just second half of the year, one's cares, yeah, 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:56.639 because they probably a top ten line in football. 1:49:56.680 --> 1:49:57.479 Ones Carris came out. 1:49:57.560 --> 1:49:59.600 It was a it was a weird thing. And sometimes 1:49:59.640 --> 1:50:02.200 you know, you just talk about like the mixes of 1:50:02.280 --> 1:50:04.800 offensive lines a five man unit, right, and for some 1:50:04.920 --> 1:50:08.760 reason that mix just worked better. For whatever reason it was, 1:50:09.080 --> 1:50:11.959 I don't know, but it just did. Mark is in Connecticut. 1:50:12.040 --> 1:50:12.360 What's up? 1:50:12.360 --> 1:50:12.599 Mark? 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:15.200 Hey guys, how are you doing today? 1:50:15.200 --> 1:50:16.120 You guys staying cool? 1:50:16.520 --> 1:50:17.160 Yes, trying. 1:50:19.840 --> 1:50:22.000 So I think I have a good question for you guys. 1:50:22.000 --> 1:50:24.160 And I mean no disrespect to the players, because I 1:50:24.200 --> 1:50:27.800 love the players, but eighteen week season, if we go 1:50:27.920 --> 1:50:31.639 to that, why do we need to add another bye week? 1:50:31.760 --> 1:50:34.280 I mean, they only play once a week, you know, 1:50:34.320 --> 1:50:36.479 it's not like you know, we're talking baseball where they 1:50:36.520 --> 1:50:39.720 play almost every day. Same thing with basketball, you know, 1:50:39.840 --> 1:50:42.080 other sports like that. So I just have that kind 1:50:42.080 --> 1:50:45.000 of question why we needed to think that we need 1:50:45.000 --> 1:50:47.160 an extra bye week if we do go to an 1:50:47.200 --> 1:50:49.599 eighteen week season. And love you guys, Hope you guys 1:50:49.640 --> 1:50:50.599 have a great rest of the week. 1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:53.160 Thanks Mark. So, I think it's twofold one. It just 1:50:53.160 --> 1:50:56.479 says we don't play obviously, right, But just as people 1:50:56.479 --> 1:50:58.720 that work in it, were at least close enough to 1:50:58.800 --> 1:51:00.479 it to understand it's grind. 1:51:01.000 --> 1:51:03.519 It's a long grind to ride for them. We could 1:51:03.520 --> 1:51:05.800 get by with our second bye, of course, but like 1:51:06.000 --> 1:51:09.160 it's a long grind. Just witnessing it yea, like almost 1:51:09.200 --> 1:51:11.360 as like a first hand account. We're around it, we 1:51:11.400 --> 1:51:14.200 see it physically. It's it's extremely taxing. 1:51:14.240 --> 1:51:16.479 The Patriots the last couple of years have had really 1:51:16.560 --> 1:51:19.920 late bye weeks, and it's long. It's a haul because 1:51:19.920 --> 1:51:21.679 when you really think about it, like we were talking 1:51:21.680 --> 1:51:25.439 about earlier about the whole offseason, like they start at 1:51:25.439 --> 1:51:27.519 the end of July, and if you don't have a 1:51:27.560 --> 1:51:30.920 buy until week fourteen, there's really no break from like 1:51:31.080 --> 1:51:33.559 August to that buy, just. 1:51:33.560 --> 1:51:34.839 Sort of that one weekend. 1:51:34.880 --> 1:51:36.960 But that one weekend is roster cuts, so you're not 1:51:37.040 --> 1:51:38.080 exactly relaxed. 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:42.639 Yeah, so it's a grind. That's one thing. It's totally 1:51:42.960 --> 1:51:45.600 fair to categorize it as that. 1:51:45.840 --> 1:51:46.080 Yeah. 1:51:46.160 --> 1:51:50.160 The other thing I would say is that the league 1:51:50.240 --> 1:51:52.080 is going to have to give up a little something 1:51:52.240 --> 1:51:55.800 to get something here. And if that's the concession, we 1:51:55.880 --> 1:51:58.519 get a full another week of games and we get 1:51:58.520 --> 1:52:02.200 all of that payout, then the players are gonna want 1:52:02.360 --> 1:52:04.840 something in return. Now they're not gonna get out a 1:52:04.840 --> 1:52:08.800 lot because it's the NFLPA notoriously gets real role. 1:52:09.680 --> 1:52:11.519 I also think it's just good for the league to 1:52:11.600 --> 1:52:12.639 have a second bye week. 1:52:12.680 --> 1:52:14.080 I don't think that's just for the players. 1:52:14.120 --> 1:52:16.519 You've been harping on the NBA calendar being too long 1:52:16.560 --> 1:52:17.920 because all these players are getting hurt. 1:52:18.040 --> 1:52:22.000 It's not at all a green team or take. It 1:52:22.080 --> 1:52:24.240 has nothing to do with the Celtics injuries. 1:52:24.360 --> 1:52:26.760 Fair but well you were saying it after Halburn. But no, 1:52:26.840 --> 1:52:30.519 but like you don't want guys getting hurt. That's bad 1:52:30.560 --> 1:52:33.439 for the league. If guys are getting hurt, so another 1:52:33.520 --> 1:52:36.840 week to recover and rest. They didn't add a bye 1:52:36.840 --> 1:52:39.240 week when they went fourteen to sixteen games. They didn't 1:52:39.240 --> 1:52:41.200 add a bye week when they went sixteen to seventeen, 1:52:41.680 --> 1:52:45.759 so the one bye week was designed for fourteen weeks. 1:52:45.760 --> 1:52:49.479 You've now almost added like another third onto that. 1:52:49.760 --> 1:52:50.240 Yeah. 1:52:50.600 --> 1:52:54.519 So yeah, having another week to rest and recover, it's 1:52:54.520 --> 1:52:56.400 not just about the players wanting that so they can 1:52:56.400 --> 1:53:00.360 go on vacation. I think would benefit the league because 1:53:00.360 --> 1:53:03.240 with the longer season, you're gonna have more injuries. You 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:05.800 don't want that give these guys an extra week to 1:53:05.800 --> 1:53:09.000 rest up in the season and get right. That's the 1:53:09.040 --> 1:53:10.920 main reason. If I'm the league, I want a second 1:53:10.920 --> 1:53:11.320 bye week. 1:53:11.400 --> 1:53:13.479 That's a great point. And it's not like it's a 1:53:14.439 --> 1:53:16.160 to have the best product out on the field. 1:53:16.400 --> 1:53:18.280 And you know what a second bye week also gives you. 1:53:18.880 --> 1:53:21.160 So if you go to eighteen games, right, and you 1:53:21.200 --> 1:53:22.839 have one bye week, you have nineteen weeks. 1:53:23.120 --> 1:53:24.679 You know what happens. If you go to eighteen games 1:53:24.680 --> 1:53:27.559 and two bye weeks, you have twenty weeks. That's a 1:53:27.600 --> 1:53:30.760 whole other week. You can sell ads and sell tickets 1:53:30.920 --> 1:53:33.920 and you're getting talked about NonStop on TV and radio 1:53:33.960 --> 1:53:36.519 in the internet, like, of course the league wants another week. 1:53:36.760 --> 1:53:39.280 Of course they do. That should be the biggest win win. 1:53:40.000 --> 1:53:43.160 A second bye week with eighteen games twenty weeks is 1:53:43.160 --> 1:53:44.960 a win for the players, it's a win for the league. 1:53:44.960 --> 1:53:48.320 There is zero reason for that not to happen, zero 1:53:48.400 --> 1:53:50.760 reason for it. And if you do that, you can 1:53:50.760 --> 1:53:53.040 probably go back to the bye week after the international game, 1:53:53.200 --> 1:53:55.439 which means you can schedule more international games, which is 1:53:55.479 --> 1:53:57.240 not good for the players, but something that the league 1:53:57.240 --> 1:53:58.200 can do that they want to do. 1:53:58.880 --> 1:54:01.120 It's all good points all right, Tim is in Boston. 1:54:01.160 --> 1:54:02.240 What's up? Tim? 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:06.000 Hey, guys, I'm not trying to claim any authority on 1:54:06.040 --> 1:54:08.120 the matter, but like, as part of my job, I 1:54:08.240 --> 1:54:11.400 build and interpret like a lot of analytical models. I 1:54:11.439 --> 1:54:12.880 have a degree in math and data science, so I 1:54:12.880 --> 1:54:16.840 wanted to weigh in on this analytics debate. Models are 1:54:16.880 --> 1:54:19.880 really good at like pattern detection, determining correlation, and I 1:54:19.880 --> 1:54:22.120 think Alex you had a really good example. Like if 1:54:22.160 --> 1:54:24.599 a model says that this corner has a really bad 1:54:24.680 --> 1:54:28.040 EPA against twin targeted on goballs, Like that's a fact, 1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:31.240 that's indisputable, that's correlation. But what it doesn't tell you 1:54:31.360 --> 1:54:34.280 is the causation. Like you can't claim that the performance 1:54:34.320 --> 1:54:37.040 is bad because it's goballs. You know, if you just 1:54:37.080 --> 1:54:40.280 went against your marchase and justin Jefferson, that's the cause, 1:54:40.360 --> 1:54:42.880 that's the causation. But the model can't tell you that. 1:54:42.960 --> 1:54:44.640 So like if Drake May has a ten percent higher 1:54:44.720 --> 1:54:47.360 completion percentage when he wears blue socks rather than white, 1:54:47.800 --> 1:54:50.320 no analyst is going to claim that it's because of 1:54:50.360 --> 1:54:52.040 the socks and just you know, put them in blue 1:54:52.040 --> 1:54:54.200 sox the whole time. Like the models can give you 1:54:54.240 --> 1:54:57.040 that correlation, but any analyst worth their salt knows you 1:54:57.080 --> 1:54:59.520 have to go and check for causation. And that's not 1:54:59.600 --> 1:55:01.000 something i'm models can provide to you. 1:55:01.840 --> 1:55:04.120 Yeah, it's a good point, Tim and Dad, thanks for 1:55:04.160 --> 1:55:06.680 the call. This is a difference between somebody like me 1:55:06.920 --> 1:55:09.440 who just digests the stats and people like Tim who 1:55:09.440 --> 1:55:10.520 actually creates status. 1:55:10.560 --> 1:55:11.840 Well so, and this has been my case. 1:55:11.880 --> 1:55:16.080 I think this maybe the take that I have has 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:18.840 kind of been skewed. It's I understand there are people 1:55:18.920 --> 1:55:21.360 using it correctly. I think a lot of people are 1:55:21.400 --> 1:55:24.000 using correctly are behind closed doors because it's a lot 1:55:24.040 --> 1:55:25.680 easier to use correctly when you don't have to generate 1:55:25.680 --> 1:55:26.360 a take out of it. 1:55:26.600 --> 1:55:29.480 I think there's a lot of people who if. 1:55:29.320 --> 1:55:32.600 You're using it and you also know football, fine, I 1:55:32.640 --> 1:55:34.440 think there are people who use it in place. 1:55:34.240 --> 1:55:36.080 Of knowing football, and that's what bothers me. 1:55:36.200 --> 1:55:39.360 Fair enough, all right, one last email here, and I 1:55:39.440 --> 1:55:39.640 like this. 1:55:40.200 --> 1:55:43.360 I love the socks example. There's some like famous baseball 1:55:43.400 --> 1:55:47.480 one where this one player was like elite. 1:55:47.640 --> 1:55:49.280 I don't remember exactly what it was. It's like a 1:55:49.280 --> 1:55:51.640 while ago. This one player was like unbelievable. 1:55:51.640 --> 1:55:54.720 On Tuesdays, he was like elite on Tuesdays, and so 1:55:55.160 --> 1:55:56.840 there was like this whole push battom clean up on 1:55:56.880 --> 1:55:59.360 Tuesdays and it was just like it just for whatever 1:55:59.400 --> 1:56:01.320 reason that day they kept facing sucky pitching. 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:05.160 There you go, all right, this is from Dylan. He 1:56:05.240 --> 1:56:07.280 emails and he says, Evan, I'm with you. I don't 1:56:07.280 --> 1:56:10.800 care about all the Patriots, Bulls, Yankees fans kick rocks. 1:56:10.840 --> 1:56:13.040 As a Boston sports fan, the Celtics are all I 1:56:13.080 --> 1:56:16.240 want to talk about right now. Hater's gonna hate my 1:56:16.480 --> 1:56:19.160 very underrated not going to happen move going forward. Is 1:56:19.160 --> 1:56:21.880 Stefan Castle a great two way player that will fit 1:56:21.920 --> 1:56:23.800 into the Celtics system and the Spurs are looking to 1:56:23.840 --> 1:56:26.800 have one too many shooting guards. Also, the backcourt would 1:56:26.840 --> 1:56:29.000 be called white Castle. It doesn't get better than that. 1:56:29.080 --> 1:56:32.600 I do like that. So Stefan Castle. We've seen that 1:56:32.720 --> 1:56:35.240 American Stefan go to White Castle. We've seen that trade 1:56:35.240 --> 1:56:38.840 proposal out there. But unfortunately the trade proposal is something 1:56:38.840 --> 1:56:40.880 that to me as a Celtics fan, is off the table, 1:56:40.880 --> 1:56:43.840 which is trading Jalen Brown. It's Jalen Brown for the 1:56:43.920 --> 1:56:46.680 number two overall pick in Stefan Castle and some other 1:56:46.840 --> 1:56:50.840 pieces from San Antonio coming back to Boston, but our 1:56:50.920 --> 1:56:52.560 takes on the Celtics move. 1:56:52.840 --> 1:56:54.400 We'll give you this a little update here that I 1:56:54.400 --> 1:56:56.640 think you're gonna be disappointed. By God, it's not trading 1:56:56.680 --> 1:57:00.240 Jalen Brown. I guess Sham said on McAfee that I. 1:57:00.280 --> 1:57:02.720 Don't I'm gonna I'm gonna fight with Shams right now. 1:57:02.800 --> 1:57:05.640 The Celtics may look to flip Anthony Simons. 1:57:05.680 --> 1:57:06.880 Okay, so that makes sense. 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:08.840 I know you like Simons. I like Simons. I also 1:57:08.880 --> 1:57:10.040 wouldn't hate if they flip them. 1:57:10.200 --> 1:57:12.720 But I have a I have a beef with Shams 1:57:12.760 --> 1:57:14.240 And this isn't where I wanted to go with this, 1:57:14.520 --> 1:57:15.400 but is where we're going. 1:57:15.400 --> 1:57:16.880 No, we say we're gonna do draft talk. You have 1:57:16.920 --> 1:57:18.760 to make this quick. I have a beef with Shams. 1:57:19.880 --> 1:57:20.520 I understand. 1:57:20.720 --> 1:57:23.880 I understand that you are trying to sell, just like 1:57:23.920 --> 1:57:27.360 we're trying to sell this show. You're trying to stir 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:29.960 up drama. We don't do that, but that's what you're 1:57:29.960 --> 1:57:31.880 trying to do. And I get it. You get paid 1:57:31.920 --> 1:57:35.000 to do that. When you say that the Celtics are 1:57:35.000 --> 1:57:39.520 taking calls on all players and you don't put names 1:57:39.880 --> 1:57:43.560 to the players. That they're taking calls on That is infuriating, 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:46.880 Like are they actually seriously taking calls on Jalen Brown 1:57:46.920 --> 1:57:49.200 and Derek White or not? Well, but tell me that 1:57:49.360 --> 1:57:53.320 we don't sit there and tell me yesterday before Porzingis 1:57:53.360 --> 1:57:55.920 gets Dell that they're listening to calls on all their 1:57:55.960 --> 1:57:58.960 players when we all know that Porzingis is getting traded, 1:57:59.000 --> 1:58:01.920 Just say it's porzing They're trade and trade Porzingis. No, 1:58:02.000 --> 1:58:04.160 but we do this all the time in football, where 1:58:04.200 --> 1:58:06.560 like you know, the team's taking calls on this player, 1:58:07.240 --> 1:58:08.720 but they're never really going to trade them. 1:58:08.720 --> 1:58:10.760 They're just looking to see if somebody. It's really stupid. 1:58:10.880 --> 1:58:15.360 I would want them taking calls on on Jays calling off. 1:58:15.680 --> 1:58:17.720 Don't give it? What if the Nuggets calling off for Yoka? 1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:19.400 Don't give the take? If you're not going to put 1:58:19.440 --> 1:58:21.440 a name to it, because all you're doing well isn't 1:58:21.480 --> 1:58:23.640 all play. You're just driving us all. 1:58:23.680 --> 1:58:26.400 This is a weird take from you. All players implies 1:58:26.480 --> 1:58:28.080 all players. Why do you need a name? It's ever 1:58:28.160 --> 1:58:29.600 you want them to list the entire roster? 1:58:29.840 --> 1:58:31.400 No, because my I don't. 1:58:31.400 --> 1:58:32.720 It's all players. It's all players. 1:58:32.760 --> 1:58:35.440 Because I don't think the Celtics are in any serious 1:58:35.480 --> 1:58:37.240 way considering trading. 1:58:37.000 --> 1:58:38.480 So you just think you lied. Basically. 1:58:38.520 --> 1:58:41.160 I don't think he lied. I think that he's stretching 1:58:41.200 --> 1:58:44.040 the truth to strum up drama because it's more interesting 1:58:44.120 --> 1:58:45.440 for the show and more interesting. 1:58:45.440 --> 1:58:47.720 They're taking calls on all players. They're taking calls on 1:58:47.720 --> 1:58:50.320 all players. He doesn't say how seriously they're taking those calls. 1:58:50.440 --> 1:58:52.680 I think that it's we're telling half true. 1:58:52.720 --> 1:58:54.720 We say this all the time the phone and there. 1:58:55.280 --> 1:58:57.560 You might hang up that lass. But there's a huge 1:58:57.560 --> 1:59:00.560 difference between taking calls on Sam hows Er and taking 1:59:00.560 --> 1:59:04.400 calls on Jalen Brown. So you had as as an insider, 1:59:04.800 --> 1:59:06.920 I need to know what we're talking. Who were we 1:59:07.000 --> 1:59:07.800 talking about here? 1:59:08.200 --> 1:59:10.760 Like, I think it's right, but we did considered overall 1:59:10.800 --> 1:59:12.920 pick we did this a third overall pick two years ago. 1:59:13.120 --> 1:59:15.680 You take the call. If somebody's gonna get dumb, you 1:59:15.720 --> 1:59:18.480 take the call. You might laugh and hang up, but 1:59:18.600 --> 1:59:19.400 you take the call. 1:59:19.600 --> 1:59:22.240 So that's just being a good gave and Brad Stevens 1:59:22.280 --> 1:59:23.040 a good GM. 1:59:22.840 --> 1:59:26.400 On the moves they've actually made really quickly with Porzingis 1:59:26.440 --> 1:59:30.400 and Drew Holliday a necessary evil. Now I'm not sitting 1:59:30.440 --> 1:59:31.920 here to tell you that it's a good thing for 1:59:31.960 --> 1:59:33.680 this cell, except they had to make these moves. They 1:59:33.680 --> 1:59:35.480 got worse that we all know that, and they had 1:59:35.480 --> 1:59:36.840 to do it. But at the same time, they had 1:59:36.880 --> 1:59:38.520 to do it. And I think, what the one big 1:59:38.560 --> 1:59:39.880 thing that needs to be said, because I think a 1:59:39.920 --> 1:59:42.520 lot of people are chogging this up to just a 1:59:42.640 --> 1:59:45.960 taxpayer savers, you know, saving money on the repeater tax, 1:59:46.000 --> 1:59:48.840 and it's more money in Bill Chisholm's pocket. That No, 1:59:49.000 --> 1:59:52.200 the restrictions of the second Apron on what you can 1:59:52.240 --> 1:59:54.640 do from a roster building standpoint are substanct. 1:59:54.840 --> 1:59:58.480 They actually limit your ability to assign free agents, what 1:59:58.520 --> 1:59:59.280 you can do in trades. 1:59:59.280 --> 2:00:01.200 It's like it actually it's not raft. 2:00:01.400 --> 2:00:02.320 It freezes your draft. 2:00:02.400 --> 2:00:04.240 It freezes your draft PA, which is huge. 2:00:04.520 --> 2:00:07.360 The biggest thing that getting out of the second Apron 2:00:07.440 --> 2:00:11.080 does is it allows you to aggregate salaries and trades, 2:00:11.360 --> 2:00:14.520 which is extremely important because now you can trade in 2:00:14.600 --> 2:00:17.600 theory three players for one player. Right, So now it 2:00:17.640 --> 2:00:20.880 puts the Celtics back into those conversations to trade for 2:00:20.920 --> 2:00:23.680 a star, which they could not do before unless they 2:00:23.760 --> 2:00:26.520 match the salary one in one out. So essentially you 2:00:26.520 --> 2:00:28.440 would have had to have traded. I'm not saying they're 2:00:28.440 --> 2:00:30.280 going to trade for him. Let's say Yanni says I 2:00:30.320 --> 2:00:32.440 want to come to Boston and that that he just 2:00:33.200 --> 2:00:36.320 get me to the Celtics. That's his mindset. You would 2:00:36.360 --> 2:00:38.520 have had to have traded Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum 2:00:38.520 --> 2:00:40.840 for Giannis because you only could be one in, one out. 2:00:41.200 --> 2:00:44.760 Now you could aggregate salaries, So Anthony Simmons, who's making 2:00:44.760 --> 2:00:47.760 twenty seven million on an expiring contract, you could put 2:00:47.800 --> 2:00:51.600 him and Yang and Houser and package all these players 2:00:51.600 --> 2:00:54.680 together to get to the sixty million that Yannis is owed. 2:00:55.080 --> 2:00:57.280 When you're over the second apron, you couldn't do that. 2:00:57.600 --> 2:01:00.200 So in theory, this puts the Celtics back in play 2:01:00.520 --> 2:01:03.000 to make major moves, and that's where they need it 2:01:03.040 --> 2:01:03.200 to be. 2:01:03.280 --> 2:01:04.240 What do you want to see him do in the 2:01:04.280 --> 2:01:04.760 draft tonight. 2:01:05.720 --> 2:01:07.480 I know that there's rumors that they might move up 2:01:07.520 --> 2:01:09.400 into the lottery. I don't think they're gonna be able 2:01:09.400 --> 2:01:09.960 to get up there. 2:01:10.040 --> 2:01:12.680 If you could flip Houser to get into the late lottery, 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:13.240 I would do that. 2:01:13.400 --> 2:01:15.360 Yeah, I would do it too. They have those two picks. 2:01:15.600 --> 2:01:17.680 Or Simons if you could flip because those guys to me, 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:20.000 are redundant. I know they play different positions, but that's 2:01:20.040 --> 2:01:24.440 your bench spark shooter guy, right, not a lot of defense, 2:01:24.480 --> 2:01:26.320 but it's gonna put the ball in the basket if 2:01:26.360 --> 2:01:28.320 you can flip one of those guys to get into 2:01:28.360 --> 2:01:31.360 the mid lottery and ideally at a big which is 2:01:31.360 --> 2:01:33.520 what I would like to see them do, especially if 2:01:33.560 --> 2:01:35.440 we don't know what Luke Cornett's future is. That's what 2:01:35.480 --> 2:01:38.680 I want. I don't like Ryan Kulkbrenner, I don't like Creighton. 2:01:39.480 --> 2:01:41.560 He makes a lot. 2:01:41.360 --> 2:01:43.720 Of sense for the Celtics. I'd probably come around. 2:01:43.840 --> 2:01:46.400 They also need a wing because Tatum is not coming 2:01:46.440 --> 2:01:49.320 back this season, I don't think, and they're gonna need 2:01:49.360 --> 2:01:50.360 depth at that pick I want. 2:01:50.440 --> 2:01:52.640 I don't want them to have this narrow focus. We've 2:01:52.640 --> 2:01:55.120 talked about this, like the Brady off when Brady towards 2:01:55.160 --> 2:01:56.960 Ac and they kind of set around him. I don't 2:01:56.960 --> 2:01:59.560 want them to have this narrow focus. Though, of these 2:01:59.600 --> 2:02:01.720 are the movie we need to make to plan without Tatum. 2:02:02.000 --> 2:02:03.960 I want them to bring guys in that when Tatum 2:02:04.000 --> 2:02:06.600 comes back, this guy's gonna compliment Tatum really well. 2:02:06.640 --> 2:02:08.320 I would honestly rather that be the preference. 2:02:08.320 --> 2:02:10.360 I'd rather they build for twenty seven to twenty eight, 2:02:10.400 --> 2:02:12.360 twenty nine to thirty than just twenty six. Well, that's 2:02:12.400 --> 2:02:14.560 why I like Simons, because I think Simons is just 2:02:14.600 --> 2:02:15.560 Simons does both. 2:02:15.640 --> 2:02:19.000 He's a volume scoer, he's a microwave, he's a bucket getter, 2:02:19.240 --> 2:02:22.080 and you just put him out there and this next 2:02:22.120 --> 2:02:24.800 season it makes them more watchable frankly as a fan, 2:02:25.040 --> 2:02:27.360 but also if he's around in the long term, he's 2:02:27.400 --> 2:02:31.240 another guy kind of like porzingis, who could just drop thirty. 2:02:31.360 --> 2:02:34.120 I think if you flip Houser right and move up 2:02:34.120 --> 2:02:38.160 in the draft, it would be, you know, Peyton Pritchard 2:02:39.000 --> 2:02:43.800 and Anthony Simons is your backcourt on your second unit? Yeah, 2:02:44.200 --> 2:02:47.360 that plays, that plays. That would be a lot of fun. 2:02:47.480 --> 2:02:49.840 Well that's your Celtics s mint. But I want to 2:02:49.840 --> 2:02:52.400 stress because I see it a lot about that this 2:02:52.440 --> 2:02:56.520 is just about cutting taxpayer dollars, and I mean NBA taxpayer. 2:02:56.560 --> 2:02:59.280 Do you think this is the second Aprons of death set? 2:02:59.360 --> 2:03:00.880 Let me ask him to be in the second if 2:03:00.920 --> 2:03:02.360 we wrap it up, because I think there's a report 2:03:02.520 --> 2:03:04.800 sort of along these lines recently, like the NFL was 2:03:04.840 --> 2:03:07.320 looking at the NBA's salary cap structure. 2:03:07.520 --> 2:03:08.200 It's a joke. 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:09.680 Do you think it would ever come to the NFL? 2:03:09.760 --> 2:03:11.600 I hope not. I think that this is gonna ruin 2:03:11.640 --> 2:03:13.560 the NBA. I've had this take off the air with you. 2:03:13.800 --> 2:03:15.760 I know it's a Celtics homer take, but I really 2:03:15.800 --> 2:03:18.280 strongly believe it. I think the Apron system is going 2:03:18.320 --> 2:03:20.600 to ruin the NBA. I think it's horrible for the league. 2:03:21.320 --> 2:03:24.360 I understand that you're trying to make all thirty teams 2:03:24.400 --> 2:03:26.840 relevant and spread the talent around, but what I think 2:03:26.840 --> 2:03:30.080 you're doing is you're actually going to dilute the entire product. Yeah, 2:03:30.080 --> 2:03:32.880 because you're not gonna have any great teams anymore. Everybody's 2:03:32.920 --> 2:03:37.600 just gonna kind of be no offense. Indiana and Oklahoma City, 2:03:37.880 --> 2:03:40.440 who I think Oklahoma City is probably closer to that 2:03:40.480 --> 2:03:43.120 great enchelon. Maybe they get there eventually, but I think 2:03:43.120 --> 2:03:45.480 you're just gonna have a lot of like good, not 2:03:45.600 --> 2:03:48.280 great across the league. And I would much rather watch 2:03:48.280 --> 2:03:51.640 heavyweights than watch that. 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