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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.

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Speaker 2: Blazarre from Lazarn, Hello, everybody nailed it. He joined us always.

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Speaker 1: By our bar gask.

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Speaker 2: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars is.

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Speaker 3: The data skewed because in this one game he was

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Speaker 3: struggling this one receiver or this type of receiver that

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Speaker 3: maybe we don't have. Like again, okay, the right answer

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Speaker 3: is not Okay, let's throw a million go balls at

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Speaker 3: this guy.

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Speaker 1: It's to get me the cutups of all the go balls.

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Speaker 1: Let's see why.

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Speaker 3: This is happening and do we have the assets on

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Speaker 3: our roster to be able to take advantage of this?

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Speaker 4: Yes or no?

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Speaker 2: I think that's exactly okay.

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Speaker 3: But I think there are some people, and maybe they're

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Speaker 3: not really the coaches, but I think there are some

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Speaker 3: people who look at it, analytics who look at that

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Speaker 3: and don't go to that second step and say, this

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Speaker 3: guy sucks against the goal ball bombs away. That's not

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Speaker 3: the process and that never will be the process, and

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Speaker 3: math can never fill in that groundwork in the middle.

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Speaker 2: It always comes back to the analytics debate on this show,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it. Oh yeah, it always does. No matter what

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Speaker 2: we talk about for two hours, it always circles back

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Speaker 2: to talking about math and nerds and analytics. But today

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Speaker 2: we are going to talk a lot about roster projections,

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of Patriots news here at the

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Speaker 2: top of the show, nothing major, but a signing that

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Speaker 2: we will discuss in the impact of that as well.

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Speaker 2: And we'll take your lovely calls and emails here on

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Speaker 2: Catch twenty two for the next couple of hours, with

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Speaker 2: Alex Bartha over there of course as always, and Evan

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Speaker 2: Lazar in the host chair here, and we have our

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Speaker 2: roster projection to get to Alex, we want need to

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Speaker 2: do the defense in your special teams as well here

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Speaker 2: in a few minutes, so we're going to get to that.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to that, we wanted to get

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Speaker 2: to some of the news off the top of the show.

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Speaker 2: And no, I will not talk about the Celtics too

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Speaker 2: much in the show, I promise.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 2: Let's look here, I know, I know everybody gets all

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Speaker 2: up in arms when I talk about something that's not

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Speaker 2: Patriots related, even though there's nothing going on in Patriot

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Speaker 2: will the Celtics are the talk of the town and

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Speaker 2: the Red Sox are playing, but the Bruins just released

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Speaker 2: New Jersey, so I'm gonna have to buy the misses

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Speaker 2: of New Jersey probably, So just no, I won't talk

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Speaker 3: I have any kind of event you can use to

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Speaker 3: like buy one for I'll say this. I was thinking

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Speaker 3: about this driving in. This is in a lot of

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Speaker 3: ways and people often say this a draft show. We

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Speaker 3: like talking about the draft. True, the NBA Draft is tonight.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's all the buzz about the Celtics. So

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Speaker 3: let's save it till the end, and maybe we'll do so.

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Speaker 2: It's not everybody gets up in arms, stick to footballball.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the draft.

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Speaker 3: So at the end of the show we'll do a

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Speaker 2: Well, maybe we can tie it together to the Patriots somehow,

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Speaker 2: if we're good enough at this. But before we get

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Speaker 2: the Patriots did make a signing the other day, signing

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Speaker 2: ya Seir Durant, offensive lineman. Name might sound familiar. He

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Speaker 2: He has been most recently one of your leagues, the UFL,

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Speaker 1: He can do that your specialty leagues because it is

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Speaker 2: So he was on the DC Defenders most recently. He

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Speaker 2: So he was he's a player with some NFL pedigree,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a little more than that.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, this is a guy that played right tackles first

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Speaker 2: So you see him in that almost like a six

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Speaker 2: we actually view this guy as one of our top backups.

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Speaker 2: think he's gonna get a chance to compete at left guard,

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Speaker 2: But again it's it's we talked about it yesterday on

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Speaker 2: the biggest concern about is this offensive line. And on paper,

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Speaker 2: looking for as much depth and as much talent at

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Speaker 2: My guess is though, is yes, here Durant had a

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Speaker 2: we'll see what ends up happening. But West Sweitzer retires,

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Speaker 1: No, that pretty much covers it all.

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Speaker 2: Right, let's get into our fifty three man roster projection

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Speaker 1: I included this year since Madden put it in the game.

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Speaker 3: No, I'll tell you honestly why I did it, And

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Speaker 3: this is how I've always felt about edge. I think

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Speaker 1: An edge because you don't know.

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Speaker 3: So I use that and then I use like, how

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Speaker 3: Remember, they used to always drop tray Tree Flowers into coverage,

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Speaker 3: So I get doing that sometimes, Like, yeah, it keeps

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Speaker 1: Because is what Brian Flores is making huge in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: So getting back to the roster protection defensive lineman, I

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Speaker 2: this one wasn't really really too difficult for me.

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Speaker 2: It feels pretty cut and dry. I didn't really have

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Speaker 2: And plays in the backfield. Yeah, I think that's gonna

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Speaker 2: You know, if you make some of those splash plays,

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Speaker 2: maybe that's how you get yourself out of worrying about that.

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Speaker 2: So that's a defensive line. Williams Barmore, White Farmer, Tonga Farms.

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Speaker 1: Glad that you for this year. We'll signal come around

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Speaker 2: So edge defenders right now, I have Harold Landry Chase on,

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Speaker 2: not sure if there's a role for him on this team.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's someone that could push Jennings here eventually. But

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's not nothing he did.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's just tough for any edge guy,

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Speaker 3: team just can't afford to move on from players with

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Speaker 3: don't think they can. I think he's too good. So

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Speaker 3: for now I have him on the team and they'll

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Speaker 3: find something for him to do.

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Speaker 1: I trust that.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. He's one of their best fifty three players.

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Speaker 3: Now I had him as player fifty one to fifty three.

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, But because it is, the fit is a

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Speaker 2: He's he's one of their best fifty three players.

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Speaker 1: So I'll hired me might be one of their best,

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Speaker 2: Even if he's not a great system fit. To your point,

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Speaker 2: they don't have enough guys that I'm like, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: Gibbons is my group right now. Obviously Marte Maphu could

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00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: have a conversation here about him now that he's officially

438
00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: a linebacker. We're gonna have to see that in the summertime.

439
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 2: Joly deVie is the same thing to me as Anthrony Jennings.

440
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: Do I think he's a system fit?

441
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 3: No?

442
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,800
Speaker 2: Do I think he's one of their best fifty three players. Yes,

443
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,000
Speaker 2: and until one of these guys, whether it's Mapu, whether

444
00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 2: it's Elijah Ponder, whether it's a you know, one of

445
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: the younger guys, one of the rookies. You know, someone's

446
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: gonna have to push those guys off the roster to

447
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: just say they're not system fits, so they're not good

448
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: enough to be on this team. Right, I don't think

449
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,240
Speaker 2: we're there yet. Who are your linebackers?

450
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: I Christian Ellis, Jack Gibbons, Robert Splain and Gelani Tova.

451
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 3: And when it comes down to me, and we've kind

452
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 3: of talked about this before, do they want somebody different

453
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 3: than what they have at the top of the depth

454
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 3: chart and Splaine and Ellis to run down hill and

455
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: stop the run and help them in situational roles, or

456
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 3: do they just want another guy that adds more depth

457
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 3: of what they have. If it's the former, If they

458
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: want just one run stopper, it's t Vi. If they

459
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,320
Speaker 3: just want more depth behind Ellis and Splain, then there's

460
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 3: a stronger.

461
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: Case for Marte Mapu. But I think they'll want something different.

462
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 3: I think they'll want some more size there and then

463
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: Marte Mapu maybe can stick on the practice squad.

464
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm with you.

465
00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 2: I also just feel like with Tavia, if there were

466
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 2: to be an injury to Splain specifically, which, Yeah, when

467
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: you look at this group right now, if Splaine gets hurt,

468
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: then they're not in great shape. In my opinions, Splaine's

469
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: kind of a lynchpin right now. This linebacker group. You

470
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 2: need Splaine to be the one hundred and twenty plus

471
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: tackle guy that he has been in Vegas the last

472
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 2: couple of years. That's what you signed, That's what you

473
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 2: need him to do. But if he got hurt in

474
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 2: his estimas time, the guy with the experience and with

475
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: the really the NFL game experience to be able to

476
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 2: go out there and play seventy snaps in an NFL

477
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 2: game is July to Via like he's the guy that

478
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 2: has that kind of experience. And I guess you could

479
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: say the same thing about Jennings. So for that reason,

480
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,240
Speaker 2: I think he's here for the time being. The Mapu thing,

481
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: you know, fascinates me. I've been saying since the day

482
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: they drafted him that he's a linebacker and not a safety.

483
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: I got where they were going with him playing him

484
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: at safety in the old system. There's a lot of

485
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 2: overlap with those hybrid safeties and linebackers in today's NFL.

486
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was we're gonna make this linebacker

487
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: into a corner like they were making him into a position.

488
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 2: That made some sense, but him playing at the second

489
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: level of the defense as a modern linebacker is still

490
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 2: the best path to him sticking in the league in

491
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: my opinion. He's still two twenty two twenty five with

492
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 2: good length. So even though he's not two hundred and

493
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: fifty pounds for today's measurements, in today's body types, at

494
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,439
Speaker 2: that position, he's right there. If he bulkes up to

495
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 2: like two twenty five to two thirty, he's the size

496
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,400
Speaker 2: of most linebackers in today's NFL at that size, six three,

497
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: two thirty is an NFL linebacker. Now, what it allows

498
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: you to do. You have a lot of coverage flexibility.

499
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 2: I think that's the main thing. Whether it's him playing

500
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: man to man against certain guys you know, running backs,

501
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 2: tight ends that thing, or dropping into his own coverages

502
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: high stress zone coverages. He just gives you a lot

503
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: of that kind of versatility where he's a linebacker basically

504
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: like a safety type, Like he's a linebacker in a

505
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: safety body. So he's gonna have some coverage up side.

506
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: Is he gonna be able to get to that point

507
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 2: where he was at Sack State though, where he was

508
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: flying around.

509
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 1: Well, so that's the thing you talk about, he's got

510
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: to put this weight on.

511
00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 3: It's not necessarily as simple as putting the weight on

512
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 3: and then just like all right, I have this weight on,

513
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: I'm playing the same weight.

514
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,439
Speaker 1: Like when you put weight on, how does it impact

515
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: your movement ability?

516
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: Right?

517
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: So that's where the question is that he can get

518
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 3: up to two thirty and still fly around like that, Yeah,

519
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: he's going to be a contributing player. He gets up

520
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 3: to two thirty and then slows him down a step, Well,

521
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 3: then what good was putting on the weight because now.

522
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: He's lost was his best, best trait, which was his explosiveness.

523
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: Now, maybe it helps that he's playing more at the

524
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: second level and maybe he's more natural in that spot

525
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: and has more experience in that spot. Dating back to college.

526
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: The other thing with him in terms of flying around,

527
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: he just wasn't reading the field very well playing safety.

528
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: I didn't think he saw the field very well. I

529
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: don't think he processed the game very well from that spot.

530
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: A lot of misdirection and a lot of things eyes

531
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: in the backfield, you know, tunnel vision, Like he just

532
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: wasn't seeing the game very well. And if you don't

533
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: have that instinct, then you don't have that processing ability.

534
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: You're not gonna play fast. You're you're you're not gonna

535
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 2: play fast. So that's why guys that aren't particularly fast

536
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 2: can play faster. Like I don't think Robert Splaine is

537
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: like this tremendous athlete, but when then you watch him

538
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: play it, and uh, the NFL like he is a

539
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 2: great sideline to sideline tackler because he plays so quickly

540
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: and he's processing things so quickly. So for Marte Mapu,

541
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: I have less concern about him having the athleticism to

542
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 2: be a rangy linebacker and more concerned about is he

543
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: going to see the game to be a rangy linebacker.

544
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, it just didn't click with him from

545
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 2: a mental standpoint. There's certain games that I just have

546
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: stuck in my head of misdirection and things like that

547
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 2: caught catching him off guard. Remember that game was it

548
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: was two years ago in Miami where Tyreek Hill just

549
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 2: ran right by him. He was in like a quarters

550
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: and like you just have the deep part of the

551
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 2: field and he just got his eyes glued into some

552
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: eye candy in the backfield and just let number ten,

553
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: like the one player you can't let run by you

554
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: just ran right by him. Like things like that just

555
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 2: have consistently happened with Marte Mapu that if he's gonna

556
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: stick around and he's gonna take that next step, he's

557
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to process the game faster. And I think

558
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: that's really fascinating with him because a lot of his

559
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: teammates credit him for being a really smart football player

560
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 2: and a guy that can wear the green dot and

561
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,479
Speaker 2: communicate and all that kind of stuff, but he just

562
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 2: hasn't translated in terms of his actual post snap processing.

563
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: So that'll be big for Mapu. Any any hope at

564
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: all for Monty Rice or cam Riley, We didn't mention

565
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,640
Speaker 2: them with linebacker.

566
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: Cam Riley made a couple of plays in the spring.

567
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: That's a past break up.

568
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: We'll see. Keep an eye on.

569
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: Him, all Right, to corners. I have six corners currently

570
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: on the roster, Christian Gonzales and Carlton Davis, Marcus Jones,

571
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: Alex Austin, Marcella's Dial, Isaiah Boulden, So that six leaves DJ,

572
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: James Miles, Battle Kobe minor, Brandon Crossley and Jordan pulk

573
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Off the roster, but Gonzo, Davis, Jones, Austin, Dial, Bolden.

574
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, same group, same group for me.

575
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 3: I think Alex Austin's the key to this group in

576
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: the sense, not that he's the best player, but like

577
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: in the sense that you're gonna have Gonzalez and Davis

578
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: on the outside, you're gonna Marcus Jones in the slot.

579
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 3: If Alex Austin we saw him in the slot a

580
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: decent amount in the spring. If he can be your

581
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 3: third boundary corner and your backup slot corner, that kind

582
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: of saves you a spot, and it opens up an

583
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: opportunity to keep a guy like Isaiah Boulden maybe for

584
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: special teams purposes, right, And that's not to say he

585
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: won't play some corner, but we saw them finally mix

586
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 3: him in a little bit with the kick returners this spring.

587
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 3: Marcella's Dial kind of same thing. But you should be

588
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 3: able to get through the season mainly with four corners,

589
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 3: and then it gives you some more flexibility with those

590
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: other two.

591
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: So the one guy that maybe had some questions again

592
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,959
Speaker 2: about scheme fit. They've talked a lot about size at

593
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,479
Speaker 2: the nickels spot. But I don't think Marcus Jones going anywhere.

594
00:27:59,600 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 6: No.

595
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 2: I think Marcus Jones is a lock on this team.

596
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: To me, he's probably their starting true nickel corner. You know,

597
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: they probably will have a safety nickel as well that

598
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: they go to in those big packages. But when you

599
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: just talk about traditional three cornerback nickel right now, Marcus

600
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: Jones is the guy in the slot. To me, he's

601
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: just too good in man coverage. He's too strappy, he's

602
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: too opportunistic with his playmaking ability as well, it's too dynamic,

603
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: like he's just such a dynamic athlete and a dynamic player.

604
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: And then you add on to that the punt return ability.

605
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: He's team more than has a role on this.

606
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 3: You know, will they ultimately re sign him at the

607
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: end of the year in his contracts up?

608
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's where you get into more that

609
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: do we want to invest in this player with our scheme?

610
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: But he's not a guy you rush out the door.

611
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: Right Alex Austin, we talked so much about that Jason mccordy,

612
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: third cornerback, outside corner roll. That to me is Alex Austen.

613
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: You know, Carlon Davis and Christian Zalizer can be your starters.

614
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: Is there a chance that you need a third outside

615
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 2: corner in that group? Maybe Gonzalez is shadowing somebody that

616
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: plays a lot inside that week, and so you need

617
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 2: a third body out there. Maybe one of those guys

618
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: gets dinged up at some point and you need him

619
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 2: to spot start or something like that. So I don't

620
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: know if Alex Austin's a lock, but whatever is below lock,

621
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 2: he's like right in that next category of pretty securely

622
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: on the roster. Dial I like his versatility. I still

623
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: think Dial could play some safety or play some slot

624
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: as well some special teams. And same thing with Bolden.

625
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: I think Bolden's are going to be a really good

626
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 2: special teamer in this league if he continues to develop

627
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 2: not only just as a returner but also as a

628
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: coverage guy. You know, a guy that can cover kicks.

629
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 2: I think he has a really high future with that.

630
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: So I have all six of those guys on the

631
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: team there at cornerback safety this one. Again, I could

632
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: hear arguments from some of these other guys on this group,

633
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: but as of right now, I have four safeties. Kyle Duggar,

634
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Jabrill Peppers, Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins, Marcus EPs, Dealt

635
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: Pettis and Josh Minkins are the guys off the roster

636
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: as of right now. If you wanted to make the

637
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: case for Epster Pettis, I could, I could hear it.

638
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be opposed to it. But Duger and Peppers,

639
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 2: in my opinion, have one more year. They have one

640
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: more year as the incumbent starters. I think they're gonna

641
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: play a lot if healthy. I don't think there's any

642
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: real argument there. If they have another down year by

643
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: their standards, especially Duger in twenty twenty five, maybe we're

644
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 2: talking about a different direction in twenty twenty six. But

645
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: as of right now, because of the extensions they just signed,

646
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: because of the year from hell that they both just

647
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: had essentially last year, Let's see if Dougger can get healthy,

648
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: Let's see if Peppers can get his life in order. Yeah,

649
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: and you know, let's move forward with these two guys

650
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 2: and hope that they're the players we thought.

651
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: Well, Peppers was banged up too, especially when he came

652
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 3: back last year, So you know, you hope if the

653
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 3: two of them are healthy, we know what they can do.

654
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: The two of them are healthy, that's one of the

655
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 3: best safety combinations in football. I like what I saw

656
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: from Craig woods in this spring. Jalen Hawkins is going

657
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: to make the team. They were just giving him so

658
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: many opportunities in the spring. I don't think that's ultimately

659
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 3: what his role will look like because Dugger wasn't out

660
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: there right now, we'll change things. I left del Pettis

661
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: off items my fifty fourth player probably could make the

662
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 3: argument to keep him over, maybe like Marcella style for

663
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: special teams. But yeah, that group comes down to Duggar

664
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: and Peppers. Where are they at they do they take

665
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: a step forward, and can they bounce back?

666
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: After look last year, I don't think it was an accurate.

667
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: Reflection of either of their true skill sets. But you know,

668
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: it can be tough to bounce back in the NFL.

669
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: You're another year older. Now.

670
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see where they're at, especially to me,

671
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 3: especially Douger, just because he's you know, still banged up

672
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: and didn't practice the spring.

673
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that Craig Woodson can make those guys right,

674
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 2: you know, like if Craig Woodson can play in the

675
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: deep part of the field. Yeah, and then Kyle Dugger

676
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: can play more in that box robber role or maybe

677
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: over the slot a little bit, and Peppers can play

678
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 2: closer the Line's like, if you can get those guys

679
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: into their natural homes, so to speak, then I think

680
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: that this group is still has the potential to be really,

681
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: really good. I still don't love it when it's bass, nickel,

682
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: base defense, Dugger and Pepper's up top and that's your tandem.

683
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: I don't love that together. I still have concerns about

684
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: if they're too similar to one another, and if they

685
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 2: both really belong closer to the line of scrimmage, are

686
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: they going to be complimentary enough. When Devin McCarty retired,

687
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: we talked about it a ton. I talked to Devin

688
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: about it. I wrote about it with some of the

689
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: quotes that he had about how they used to be

690
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: so the puzzle pieces used to fit together really nicely.

691
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: Back there, it was McCarty, it was Chung, it was harmon,

692
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: and they were able to just play off of each

693
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: other so well. Once those other guys started to age

694
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: out a little bit, it was McCardy and Duggart for

695
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: a couple of years there where you have a true

696
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: free safety, you have a true strong safety, if you

697
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: want to call it that box safety, and it all

698
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: just fit together really nicely. I still don't know if

699
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: Pepper's and Dugger fit together that well. But if Woodson

700
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: can be the third guy in and he can be

701
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: that guy that frees them up to do the rest

702
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: of that type of stuff, then maybe you save that

703
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: a little bit. Maybe you get back to that a

704
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: little bit. It'll be interesting to see about that fourth

705
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 2: spot though. Right now I have Hawkins. I think we

706
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: both have Hawkins right as the fourth safety making the team.

707
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 2: But epstin Pettis have a chance like they're definitely not.

708
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 2: That's not set in stone by any means. Epps has

709
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: played games in the NFL, kind of like Hawkins, like,

710
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: sort of like a journeyman safety, has played in the league,

711
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: has started in the league. Pettis had a promising rookie season,

712
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: if you want to call it Dad as a UDFA.

713
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: I just wonder with Pettis if you can just get

714
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: them onto the Prata squad. I don't know if there's

715
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: gonna be a ton of market for del Pettis right now,

716
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: based off of the Patriots you know their roster and

717
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: where their roster's at, so that that's a safety group. Defensively,

718
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: I think I skewed a little bit heavier towards offense

719
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: in terms of numbers. Here, let me do a quick

720
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 2: math for you. So I had twenty four defensive players

721
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: on my roster and.

722
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: I had I had twenty five and twenty five. I

723
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: didn't even split. I didn't even mean to do that,

724
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:15,439
Speaker 3: but I did.

725
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: So I had twenty four and twenty five based off

726
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 2: of my quick math.

727
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: Oh, did you count schooler as a specialist.

728
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: Yes, so I'll get to that.

729
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: You're really twenty four and twenty six.

730
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a little bit heavier to defense then, I guess. Yeah,

731
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: so that that's the offense of the defense. Looking at

732
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: special teams, ye, your special teams.

733
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: Okay, you just like disparaging a bunch of fans for

734
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: no reason when you do that.

735
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: I don't know why why you find that.

736
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: I just like, I just like doing it to annoy you.

737
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: Bryce Berenger at punter that that's not a surprise. Julian

738
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: Ashby had long snapper also not a surprise. I understand

739
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: why they're they're keeping this competition going and I understand

740
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 2: why Parker Romo is here. But Andy Borgallis is gonna

741
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 2: be the kicker? Yeah, I don't think that's that that's

742
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: really a question. So Parker Roma maybe sticks around on

743
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: the practice squad as an emergency kicker, filling in practice

744
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: at times. That's often happens during the season to not

745
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 2: put the tax on the leg Bargalis during practice during

746
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,479
Speaker 2: the week. So Parker Roma sticks around in the practice squad,

747
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:18,919
Speaker 2: But Andy is going to be the kicker.

748
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Do you do a do you do a bubble?

749
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: I do a bubble. Oh and by the way, Brandon's

750
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 2: schooler coverage?

751
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: I had him with the safeties.

752
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: Is Brandon school the best special teamer in the NFL?

753
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: Who's the All Pro last year? Brand's school?

754
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: Yeah he's I think he's the best special teamer.

755
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 7: I think he is.

756
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: There's a is he still with the Jets? There's the

757
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: other I think he's with the Jets. There's another one

758
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: probably was the second team All Pro.

759
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: There's a guy there's Isn't there a guy in the

760
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: Chargers too? JT. Gray from the safety or second team

761
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: last year.

762
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a good player too.

763
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's another guy.

764
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: I want to say is with the Jets. That's also

765
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: a good special teamer. But I think the schooler's got him.

766
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: Uh I do I do a bubble or did a bubble?

767
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 2: So my as of right now Marte Mapu, Del Pettis,

768
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: Leyden Robinson, Jayvon Baker, Land Larrison, who I head off,

769
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: and then I just put tight end three? Okay, if

770
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: they're going to carry a third tight end or not

771
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: a third tight end, I think is a bubble type.

772
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: Of So I do my bubble like I like March Madness,

773
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know how they do like last

774
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: four in, next four out? Whatever?

775
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 3: Yes, so my last three so this is essentially players

776
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 3: fifty one, fifty two and fifty three. This isn't the

777
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: order of how good they are, but it's the order

778
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 3: of like where I kept them Anthony Jennings, Jack Connolly,

779
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: Gelawni Tavai and then my first three off were Dell Pettis,

780
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 3: Marcus Bryant, and Ben Brown.

781
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're similar. You're a little higher on Ben

782
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 2: Brown than I am. It's not so much that I

783
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 2: think Ben Brown's a bad play.

784
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: He got a lot more reps than I thought he

785
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: would just spring now, granted that was with Jared Wilson limited.

786
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: But I also still think if Jared Wilson wins the

787
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: starting job.

788
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: In camp, which I think he can do if he's healthy.

789
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 5: Now.

790
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: I originally came up with this take before he found

791
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 3: out he was dealing with some sort of injury. But

792
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 3: if he's fully healthy by July twenty third, I think

793
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: he can win the starting job. I don't know if

794
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: Garrett Bradbury stays as the backup. I he might just

795
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: be a guy that's, you know, a seven year veteran,

796
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 3: has never he started every game he's played, and I

797
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: believe in the in the NFL, does he say, hey,

798
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,439
Speaker 3: let me go somewhere where I'm gonna a chance, Because

799
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: once Jared Wilson's starter, he's the starter, right, You're not

800
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: continuing that competition. And if they were to do that, well, now,

801
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: Ben Brown's clearly the backup center. I think Ben Brown's

802
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: a good backup center. I thought he was, you know,

803
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: okay as the starter last.

804
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Year all things considered.

805
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, for most of the season he tailed off.

806
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: He tailed off at the end, but like I would

807
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: be fine with him as the backup. So I'm not

808
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna be in the mix all the way through.

809
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: I also wonder if they just haven't played little guard, because,

810
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: like you said, everybody's gonna compete there, and you know.

811
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: He's a physical football player. He is a smart football player.

812
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: That's the best argument I've heard.

813
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 3: So he's he's gonna be in the mix, like he's

814
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: not somebody we can just forget about it, even though

815
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: he might be the third center right now, and usually

816
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,959
Speaker 3: you're not talking about the third center as a guy

817
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: that's really in the mix for a roster spot. The

818
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: other thing is, if Jared Wilson plays left guard, what

819
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 3: does that mean about Cole Strange. If that means Cole

820
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: Strange isn't here, well, now you still need a backup

821
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 3: center behind Bradbury, which again would be Ben Brown. So

822
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: he's he's more in the mix than it seems like

823
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: at first glance.

824
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair take. I hadn't really thought

825
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 2: about because at this point, and granted, we have a

826
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 2: long way to go, and I know we say that

827
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: all the time, but it just has to be said. Yeah,

828
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: I look at it as the odds of Jared Wilson

829
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: coming back from this injury and then beating out Garrett

830
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 2: Bradbury and training camp with really essentially not a very

831
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: much of a spray, Like he was extremely limited in

832
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: the spray, So he's playing catch up come August. So

833
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: beating out Garrett Bradbury in season might be one thing,

834
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: But beating out Garrett Bradbury for Week one against the

835
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders, I think is gonna be lofty. I'm

836
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: not rolling out, especially when you put into this equation

837
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: that Jared Wilson's already a one year starter in college.

838
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 2: That's a twenty one year old prospect, Like he's already

839
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 2: a young guy as it is in terms of center

840
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: prospects go like most centers prospects that come in the

841
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 2: league have been playing center for like four or five

842
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 2: years in college. So the fact that this guy started

843
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: one season at Georgia is twenty one going on twenty two,

844
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: and then really didn't have a spring where he was

845
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: participating fully, I just think it's a lotty to expect

846
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: him to then go out and beat a veteran center

847
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: like Gared Bradbury.

848
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: It's not just about Wilson either, Like Bradbury took a

849
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: step back last year, he's on the older side. He

850
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: takes another step back this year, like does he come

851
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: back to Wilson?

852
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying. The one argument I would

853
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 2: have for Wilson is that there's no doubt about it

854
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 2: that his physical traits are beyond Bradbury's at this point.

855
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: Like Bradbury is undersized, he gets picked on in pass protection,

856
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 2: like that's a real concern with his game. Jared Wilson's

857
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: much more bigger, sturdier, more athletic at this point of

858
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: his career then Bradbury is. I just think the experience

859
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: is gonna end up winning out there, because not that

860
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: he's a quarterback like Drake may was last year, but

861
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: with any rookie, like you don't want to just throw

862
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: the rookie into the fire unless you have to. Yeah,

863
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: And I don't think they're gonna have to be in

864
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: a position where Bradbury's so bad that they have to

865
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: push Jared Wilson into the starting lineup right away. But

866
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: maybe Ben Brown sticks around on the practice squad two.

867
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 2: Now that's possible because not a lot of teams carry

868
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: like a true backup center anymore on their roster. They

869
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: might carry a guy that could play some center in

870
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: a pinch, like a cold strange who could play center

871
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 2: in a pinch, but just a purely one position backup center.

872
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: You don't see that too often in the league. That's

873
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: usually now a practice squad spot. So maybe that's Ben

874
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: Brown on the practice squad because I'm with you on

875
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 2: Ben Brown in general. I didn't think he was awful

876
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: last year. I thought he was if he was your

877
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: biggest problem on the offensive line last year, your offensive

878
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: line would have been better than would have ended up

879
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: being like they had much bigger issues and excuse me,

880
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: than Ben Brown at center. So that's your roster projection.

881
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: If you want to weigh in on our roster projections

882
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 2: and you think that we're wrong or you think we're

883
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: right or whatever, be sure to do so. The email address,

884
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: which is right. I want to point this out. It's

885
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: right there at the bottom of the screen. Now we

886
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: got we got fancy with this, we got graphics now,

887
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: producer Alex. That's pretty cool. I like that.

888
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 8: Yeah, I had nothing to do with that.

889
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like the graphics. So you can see right

890
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: there on if you're watching on YouTube or on the

891
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: live stream on any of your social media platforms. Podcast

892
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: at patrons dot com is the email address eight five five,

893
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 2: Pats five hundred is the phone number. We got some

894
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: people waiting on the line, so we're going to get

895
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 2: to those now and I'll get to your emails. Patty

896
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: is an aguam. What's up, Patty?

897
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 9: What's up?

898
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 2: How we doing.

899
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 9: Doing good? So my question today is who is the

900
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 9: as far as like who you guys have in making

901
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 9: the fifty three men roster, who do you think you

902
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 9: guys most polarizing player is. And I'll give you my answer,

903
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 9: like I'm mold over two players, one on offense, one

904
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 9: on defense. On defense, that was Kyle Dugger for me,

905
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 9: But on offense, I think it's and I keep bringing

906
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 9: this guy up. I think it's Cole Strange. And this

907
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 9: is what the caveat of take the quarterback out because

908
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 9: obviously your quarterback is more oftentimes than not, your most

909
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 9: polarizing player. But to me, Cole Strange is like the

910
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 9: is the key to the whole offensive line, Like if

911
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 9: he's going to be twenty seventy in the next month,

912
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 9: and for me, like you know, twenty seven to thirty two,

913
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 9: those are your prime year set an NFL player. You

914
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 9: have the experience. Even though he's been injured but like

915
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 9: you have the experience of going through a system or systems,

916
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 9: and you know, just if he's able to kind of

917
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 9: put it all together this year and really solidify that

918
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 9: spot up as left guard, you know, maybe he gets

919
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 9: a contract expansion, but more so, like you know, Will

920
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 9: Will Campbell's going to have his ups and downs as

921
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 9: a rookie. You know it's gonna happen. He's not going

922
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 9: to come in and be prime Joe Thomas' first year.

923
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 9: But if Strange can kind of capture that lightning in

924
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 9: the bottle that he had in twenty twenty three where

925
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 9: he statistically had his best season and can build off

926
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 9: of that, Like I said that really to me, I know,

927
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 9: like you'll have questions at center, but like that kind

928
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 9: of solidifies the offensive life more, you know, more or less.

929
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 9: And I just wanted to get your guys opinion on that.

930
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 5: I'll take it out fair guys, Thanks, Patti.

931
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cole Strange is a fair answer. It's a fair answer.

932
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: He's going into year four as the last year of

933
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: his rookie contract. They obviously did not pick up the

934
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: fifth year option for pretty obvious reasons, so he's in

935
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: a contract year. Whether he plays left guard center. He's

936
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: gonna have to play it at a pretty good level

937
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: to be here beyond this season and maybe even be

938
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: here this season. I still am not ruling out Cole

939
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: Strange is not even making the team, that's right. So

940
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 2: that's definitely a good one. I would say the most polarizing,

941
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: Like when I hear polarized.

942
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: We so like polarizing that we have them on the roster,

943
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 3: or just who's the most polarizing player on the team,

944
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 3: because like that's two different things.

945
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: Right, So I when I hear polarizing, I think of

946
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 2: like controversial, to be honest with you, or like just

947
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: a bane of people's existence in some type of way.

948
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to say Jalen Polk, Like I feel

949
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: like Jalen Polk right now.

950
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: You don't have him on the team. I don't have

951
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: him on the He said that we have on the team.

952
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 3: Someone that we have on this So, like I was

953
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: gonna say, I just think like when I hear that,

954
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: it's like, well, so my first reaction was like, all right,

955
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: polarizing in terms of like people are gonna agree or

956
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: disagree with me having him on. It's Kendrick Bourne, Who's

957
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 3: weirdly one of the most polarizing players on this team.

958
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 3: A lot of what I hear people complain about about

959
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne, I'm like, are you sure you're talking about

960
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 3: eighty four?

961
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 1: Are you sure you're talking about that guy?

962
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: Well, their complaints are that he's not a wide receiver one,

963
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: and no one's saying that he is, Like, no one

964
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: has made that art.

965
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: No, He's just like a solid, complimentary player. He's experienced

966
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 3: with the quarterback, he's experienced with the offensive. He's got

967
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: a little juice I don't know, like I And for

968
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: all the stuff I hear about him being a bad

969
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: locker room guy outside of the Patricia year, there's not

970
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 3: much evidence of that, And I kind of throw that

971
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: out because it was that year. So I think he'd

972
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 3: be a good useful player to keep on this team.

973
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: He's not gonna solve every problem they have a wide receiver,

974
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: but I think he'd be a good useful player to

975
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 3: keep on this team. But people seem to have like

976
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: a real real problem with him being on the roster.

977
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 2: I think the main reason why is there's sort of

978
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: this like attachment that I think that gets attached to

979
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne. Of like the mediocrity that's been that room, right,

980
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: and yeah, last year specifically, he was supposed to be

981
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: the veteran in the room, he was supposed to be

982
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: the leader. I don't necessarily think that he had anything

983
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: to do with a lot of what went on, but

984
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: maybe you think it did in terms of the immaturity

985
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: and some of the stuff that went on with that

986
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: room last year. Maybe you think that he's shoulders some

987
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 2: of that responsibility as the as a more veteran player,

988
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: that he should have been more of the adult in

989
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: the room and a better leader to his younger teammates. Fine.

990
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: I think the other thing is is that for a

991
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: while there, especially let's call it twenty three, twenty two,

992
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: twenty three, like he was higher on the depth chart

993
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: than he should have been. So I don't think it's

994
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 2: necessarily Kendrick Bourne specifically. I think it's just more of

995
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: an era that Kendrick Bourne has represented. Yeah, and people

996
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 2: just want to move on from that completely, which I understand.

997
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: But I think both of us get heat for being

998
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 2: so super pro Kendrick Bourne when all we're saying is

999
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 2: that Kendrick Bourne is a serviceable NFL receiver, Right, None

1000
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: of us think that he's prime Randy Moss. Okay, he's

1001
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: just a serviceable guy. He's a decent NFL receiver. He's

1002
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: an average NFL receiver. That's it. That's all we're saying.

1003
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 3: Well, and I also just think he has less variance

1004
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: than some of the other guys. And yeah, they have

1005
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: to keep some guys with upside, but you want somebody

1006
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 3: that you can kind of set your watch to, even

1007
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: if he's not the best player.

1008
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: You want somebody that you kind of know what he's

1009
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: gonna give you.

1010
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's a that's a good one. Can

1011
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: I hadn't hear the part that they had to be

1012
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: on my projection, I would probably say, if he has

1013
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,280
Speaker 2: to be on the projection, it's either born or col Strange.

1014
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: Cole Strane is a good one.

1015
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's put up a shut up

1016
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: time for cold Strange, Like he's gonna have to carve

1017
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: out a role, make this roster be a starter. Probably

1018
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: put some good tape out there. I mean, what's what's

1019
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: cole Strange's future if his season goes the way the

1020
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: first three have gone in and out with injuries, inconsistent play.

1021
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: I don't know where he sticks in the league beyond

1022
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 2: maybe like a tryout, second contract somewhere. So it's a

1023
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: big year for him, obviously with the first round pick

1024
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: attached to it. It's a big conversation in the big

1025
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: storyline in general with that draft pick and what that

1026
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: draft pick represents and a lot of ways, similarly to

1027
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Kendrick Bourne, it just represents a time where they were

1028
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: not making very many good personnel decisions as an organization,

1029
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: and so Cole Strange of gets lumped into that as

1030
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: as a poster child for that entire era of Patriots football,

1031
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: which I think a lot of us would would like

1032
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 2: to forget and like to move on from. So next

1033
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: up here is Anthony and Seattle. What's up? Anthony?

1034
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 10: Hey, Hey, what's up? Everyone's up? Alex I guess on Hey,

1035
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 10: longtime pfw S, last TU listener, call her emailer, first

1036
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 10: time calling into you guys.

1037
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Nice, So thank you.

1038
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 10: And you know, through the years, I've looked for a

1039
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 10: second podcast to PEU to try to fill that void

1040
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 10: when they go to two shows a day during the

1041
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 10: off season, and none of them have caught my attention

1042
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 10: until you guys came along. So I thank you guys

1043
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,479
Speaker 10: for that awesome. Hey, So one thing that I caught

1044
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 10: my ear a couple of times that Evan you've mentioned it.

1045
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 10: I want to see what you guys think about this scenario.

1046
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 10: So you brought up Jared Wilson being not ruling him

1047
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 10: out in that competition to possibly win the left guard

1048
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 10: spot if he just ends up being just the best

1049
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 10: pure blocker out of that that group of guys, and uh,

1050
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 10: that got my ear cop just because so I thought about, Okay, well,

1051
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 10: let's say if that, if that, if it plays out

1052
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 10: that way and he was to win the starting left

1053
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 10: guard job and then he ends up being like a

1054
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 10: maybe like not great but good, Let's just say he's

1055
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 10: a good guard, and then like I Will Campbell's you know,

1056
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 10: de center good. I think if that in that scenario,

1057
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 10: I like to know what you guys think. But for me,

1058
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 10: I think if that's the case, I'm no longer all

1059
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 10: that interested in like moving him back to center. Let's

1060
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 10: say we move on from Bradbury, you know, next next season,

1061
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 10: and uh, you know, I like the idea of you know,

1062
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 10: him and Will Campbell just kind of like growing up

1063
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 10: together in the in this league. Now, if we got

1064
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 10: some you know, you got good play over there on

1065
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 10: on that side of the line, and then uh, you know,

1066
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 10: looking to try to you know, I think guard's more

1067
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 10: important position. And so now you're going to you know,

1068
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 10: Alex's you know, Soto sign one draft one at the

1069
00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 10: center position now instead of being like a sign onund

1070
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 10: of one in trying to fill that guard positioning in

1071
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 10: or maybe even bring in a couple guys who can

1072
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 10: do kind of or like Wilson, who could play both.

1073
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 10: And then now you've got kind of a competition where

1074
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 10: it's three guys that fill two spots. Where you got

1075
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 10: the best guys it takes the guard spot, the second

1076
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 10: best guy is the center, and then you got the

1077
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 10: third guy who's the backup for both spots. I was

1078
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 10: just curious what you guys think.

1079
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call, Thanks for listening. We appreciate it.

1080
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 2: With Jared Wilson, I agree with the consensus that his

1081
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: best long term positions at center. Yeah, And I think

1082
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: the number one thing is when you when you talk

1083
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: to people that no offensive line play, you know, like

1084
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 2: the Duke Mannyweather is the world who have worked with

1085
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson having a center that's that dynamic of an

1086
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: athlete can just really open up a lot of avenues

1087
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: of what you can do in the run game that

1088
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: you can't normally do with the center that's not a

1089
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: great athlete. So the center a lot like the middle linebacker,

1090
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,959
Speaker 2: sits the pace of the offensive line and says how

1091
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 2: much range and just athleticism you have on the offensive line.

1092
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 2: So when you have a center like Jared Wilson who's

1093
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: a very dynamic athlete, you know, the number one s

1094
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: tier of course of this is Jason Kelce. When you

1095
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: have a guy that can move like that at the

1096
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: center position, it just makes your line more dynamic as

1097
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: a whole. But I agree with the caller and that

1098
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: in a vacuum, left guard is probably a more valuable

1099
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: position because you're going to be facing those three techniques,

1100
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Like you're going to be facing more pass rush types

1101
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 2: on the defensive line than you might be at center,

1102
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: where at center, a lot of your reps in pass

1103
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: protection you're gonna be uncovered, like there's not gonna be

1104
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 2: anybody straight up over you, So you're not gonna be

1105
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 2: put into those one on one battles quite as often

1106
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: as you might be at left guard. So I get

1107
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: the caller's point. I still think Jared Wilson's naturally best

1108
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: at center. I'm not ruling him out for left guard.

1109
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: Less bit about him maybe projecting as a left guard

1110
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 2: long term, and more because it might just be your

1111
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: best five on paper, like Camble, Wilson, Bradberry on when

1112
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: new Moses is probably your five most talented offensive lineman

1113
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: on the roster. So if you're in that vane, if

1114
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: you want to get all those five on the team

1115
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: or on the field, excuse me, the way to do

1116
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: it is to play Jared Wilson at guard. So that

1117
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: that's more of my thinking of it. I like his

1118
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: point though, and I think that they're right there with you.

1119
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 2: Will Campbell and Jared Wilson are here to hopefully be

1120
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: anchors of the offensive line for the next five to

1121
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: ten years. Like that's the goal. Whether it's center or

1122
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 2: left guard for Wilson in the long term, well that

1123
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: remains to be seen. But the goal is to have

1124
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: those guys developed together and develop along this runway with

1125
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: Drake may as pillars up front for you. So hopefully

1126
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: it does work out that way.

1127
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I just I do think you want to

1128
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: keep his long term development in mind, and if it's

1129
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: your best five week one September twenty twenty five, but

1130
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 3: you think he's better off waiting a month and then

1131
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: slipping in at center in October and he gets to

1132
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 3: develop at that position behind the scenes. I know you

1133
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: said you think he can develop or well playing left guard.

1134
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 3: I'm a little less optimistic about that idea. I think

1135
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: you develop playing the position you're gonna play, practicing at

1136
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 3: the position you're gonna practice. I want his long term

1137
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: development in mind, But if there's nobody else like he

1138
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: kind of has to do.

1139
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: It be interesting to see how they feel about that,

1140
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: because in this system, there's not as much mentally on

1141
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: the center. It's more on the quarterback than it is

1142
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: on the center. We've talked about that a million times,

1143
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 2: so it'd be interesting to see how they feel about it.

1144
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 2: He's relatively inexperience, like I was saying earlier. Yeah, so

1145
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: regardless of where you play him, he doesn't have a

1146
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: ton of in game reps under his belt. So if

1147
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: you feel like the best way for him to develop

1148
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: is in game live reps, which I do, I think

1149
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: that's the best way for any player to develop. Now

1150
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: you don't want to rush him and put him out

1151
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: there too.

1152
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: They're not reps at the It's a different position.

1153
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 2: It is, but it's not we're not talking about him

1154
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: playing tackle, like we're talking him move over and moving

1155
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 2: over one spot, but.

1156
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: You're also talking about the mechanic of actually snapping the

1157
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: ball and having to get up from that stance and

1158
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: that sort of thing. So you are it's like, it's

1159
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 3: different mechanically.

1160
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 2: But if you're in practice and yeah, he'll run, maybe

1161
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: he runs scouts team center and things like that. But

1162
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: if you're in practice and you're not getting any real

1163
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: live reps in games at center, and you're a young,

1164
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: inexperienced player, as it is, like, where is that is

1165
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: it enough to just give him practice squad reps during

1166
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: the season, you know, scout team reps during the season,

1167
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: and that because he needs to play at some.

1168
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: Point, Well, we'll see how We'll see how close he

1169
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: is in preseason. That will be big.

1170
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 3: But like, if you think he's close enough in preseason,

1171
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 3: maybe he's not perfectly polished to play center, but you see, like, hey,

1172
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 3: he's pretty close, so let's start him at center so

1173
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 3: he can get over the hump and by the time

1174
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 3: we get you know, around Halloween, will be rolling.

1175
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. I definitely think there's a chance that he plays

1176
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: as a rookie somewhere on this line, more than a chance.

1177
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 2: And I'm not necessarily with you that he beats Bradbury

1178
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 2: out for week one or has a chance to. But

1179
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 2: does he have a chance to beat Bradbury up by Halloween? Yeah? Absolutely,

1180
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: I think that's definitely on the table and should be

1181
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: on the I just.

1182
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 3: Think that runway becomes longer if he's starting at guard. Also,

1183
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: if he's starting at guard and you want to move

1184
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 3: him to center to replace Bradbury, now you're changing two

1185
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: spots instead of one, which becomes more convoluted.

1186
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: That's a that's a fair point as well. I understand

1187
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: what you're saying. And we've been down this road. We've

1188
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: been down this road with Mike Onwenu and it hasn't

1189
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 2: been pretty right inside outside inside. Now, this isn't quite

1190
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 2: like as give.

1191
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Them give him a position, but I think it.

1192
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 3: I think centert to guard is a bigger transition than

1193
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 3: you're making it.

1194
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: But it's not as big as guard to tackle. It's not.

1195
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: It's not because it completely different mechanic, just like it's

1196
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: a different mechanic.

1197
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: But you're still blocking in a phone booths.

1198
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 3: Thematically, it's more similar. The actual physical motions are very different, but.

1199
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 2: You're still blocking in a phone like tackle. You're blocking

1200
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: in space right your damp side, whereas at garden center

1201
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 2: it's a it's a quicker car.

1202
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: But I think going from a loaded up three point

1203
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 3: stance to having an app the ball and get yourself

1204
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,399
Speaker 3: up and get your hands up and get your head

1205
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 3: up and look around like, that's a big difference. When

1206
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: you're reguard, you're looking your see your assignment. You of

1207
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 3: them sized up from the beginning. When you're a center,

1208
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: there's more you're doing before you get to that stage.

1209
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: You're right, So I just let him work at that position.

1210
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 2: Can I bring up one other, like nerdy offensive line thing?

1211
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 3: I need all the nerdy offensive line stuff I can

1212
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 3: get so and look bad in front of David Andrews.

1213
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: Okay, so here's actually a good question for him.

1214
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Here's another nerdy offensive line thing I've been thinking a

1215
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: lot about Will Campbell. Yeah, and this isn't a short

1216
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 2: arm joke, so don't make it that. But it's not

1217
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 2: not a short arm joke. He really. I could probably

1218
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: in the six to seven games I want to say,

1219
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: maybe eight games of his that I watched at LSU

1220
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 2: last year, I could probably count on one hand the

1221
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: amount of time he was in a three point stance.

1222
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're very they don't do it. They don't do it.

1223
00:56:55,719 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: They don't do it. And he's they play of their

1224
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: offenses out of the shotgun. He was up into two

1225
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: point stance, up on his feet with his you know,

1226
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: his arms up and not in the three point pat

1227
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 2: patriot style.

1228
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and approach to that weird sort of upright stance

1229
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: to begin with.

1230
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: And he has the weird upright stance to begin with.

1231
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: It's it's not something that I am concerned about. It's

1232
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: something that I want to watch, like it's on my

1233
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: radar to watch in training camp in this over the summer.

1234
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: There's a lot of advantages in the run game to

1235
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 2: being in a three point stance. Now, you might sit

1236
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 2: there and say, well, isn't that a tell? It can

1237
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 2: be Actually, if you really study film, it can be

1238
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: a tell sometimes for certain guys. A guy that has

1239
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: a little bit of a tell like that. It's Trent Williams,

1240
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 2: but Trent Williams is so damn good. It doesn't matter

1241
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: matter that he has a tell, but he does have

1242
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 2: a little bit of a tell. Three point stance though,

1243
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 2: it's just as exactly how you would think. It's just

1244
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: naturally creates a lower pad level. It just you are

1245
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 2: just leveraging your You're down in the three points, has

1246
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: said upright, So you're just naturally your pads are starting

1247
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: at a lower point, so it's easier to kind of

1248
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 2: like just get out of your stance and explode out

1249
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: of your stance and get into the block with low

1250
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: pads and good leverage. It's not not a thing that

1251
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: he's never done it, and it's also not not a

1252
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: thing that his arms are not particularly long. So like

1253
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 2: when he goes into the three point stance a couple

1254
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: of times I saw him do it in the spring.

1255
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: It was just kind of awkward at first to see

1256
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 2: him do it. And I don't think he's done it

1257
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: a ton. Again, I'm not concerned. I just I am observant,

1258
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 2: like I just want to see it more consistently and

1259
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: see what it looks like more consistently. Am I crazy

1260
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: for caring about this?

1261
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: Or is this like like you said, it's a thing.

1262
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,920
Speaker 3: It's a thing to watch. I don't know that it's

1263
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 3: the biggest concern because it will help with the leverage

1264
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 3: at times.

1265
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: No, it's it's absolutely a thing.

1266
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: It's like when we talk about, you know, we did

1267
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 3: with Drake May last year, like he's never really been

1268
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: under center, right, and it's just a different mechanical thing.

1269
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean he can't do it is another thing

1270
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: he has to learn.

1271
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems like a fair comparison, right or.

1272
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to ask and I probably should

1273
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: have already asked Will Campbell about it, because in a

1274
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: lot of times when we hear about like the under

1275
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: center thing with quarterbacks, they'll come back and Matt Jones

1276
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: is this way. He laughed at it because like in

1277
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: high school he ran like a version of the wing

1278
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 2: t and was under center all the time. So maybe

1279
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 2: there was a chance that Will Campbell down in the

1280
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: Bayou in high school and Monroe, Louisiana was in a

1281
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 2: three point stance for four straight years, right, Like I

1282
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 2: don't know, like maybe he was. You never know, So

1283
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: maybe it's nothing. It's just something that was on my radar,

1284
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: the stance that he has. And then Coupled with that,

1285
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: the fact that he hasn't played a lot of reps

1286
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: with his hand in the dirt is just something that

1287
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: I want to watch and monitor. Do they tweak with

1288
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: his stance? His stances is unorthodox. He's he kind of

1289
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 2: stands like straight up.

1290
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's kind of got nash and Gendy thing going on.

1291
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: He stands like more straight up or more vertical than

1292
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: most guys. But then as soon as the ball is snapped,

1293
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:59,439
Speaker 2: he has really great sink and flexibility to like get

1294
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: into that power stance that you want to see him in,

1295
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 2: the athletic stance, but he does start from a higher

1296
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: point than what you're used to now. Emery Jones on

1297
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: the other side at LSU also did not as pronounced

1298
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 2: as Will Campbell, but it was also a little bit

1299
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: more of an upright stance for him as well. So

1300
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 2: maybe it was just an LSU thing that that's how

1301
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 2: they felt they wanted to do it for whatever reason.

1302
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: But do you do you think Genty is a good example?

1303
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: In Vegas? They this has been a little bit of

1304
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: a talking point. Do you tweak with Will Campbell's set,

1305
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 2: not his actual post snap how he moves, but like

1306
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 2: the actual when he comes to set, he's more upright.

1307
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: First of all, the Raiders are trying to change genty stance.

1308
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 2: I don't think they are, but it was a talking

1309
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: point with their media.

1310
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Speaker 3: That's something that I don't think he needs. You know,

1311
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 3: there's a picture of him with his hands on his knees.

1312
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: That'd be a shame if they change that. I love

1313
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 3: his stance, and he's not the only one.

1314
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: Dude didn't.

1315
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 3: I think Jaya Jai used to stand like that. Sound

1316
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: a couple other guys, but I might just yeah, maybe,

1317
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: but that was I think two coaches to go for them.

1318
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 3: I don't think you tweak his stance right away. If

1319
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 3: he struggles out of the gate, that might be one

1320
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 3: of the first things that you look at to adjust,

1321
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: But you're already thrown enough on his plate. If he's

1322
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 3: comfortable and it's working, it's I mean, there's examples of

1323
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 3: this in sports. You know, I always go to like

1324
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: Steph Curry, right, you would never teach a kid to

1325
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: shoot a basketball mechanically the way Steph Curry shoots it.

1326
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: He's a very unorthodox jump shot. But you're also not

1327
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 3: gonna correct Steph Curry's because he's Steph Curry and it

1328
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: works for him. But it works for him, it's not

1329
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 3: gonna work for anybody else. Aaron Rodgers very unorthodox throwing motion.

1330
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: You wouldn't coach somebody to throw the ball that way

1331
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 3: so that he throws both feet off the ground, right,

1332
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 3: But you're not gonna look at him and be like, no,

1333
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: you need to change this now. If Aaron Rodgers had

1334
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 3: gotten in the league and it kind of sucked it first, yeah,

1335
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: the coach is probably would have gone to him and

1336
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: been like, no, we need to clean up your mechanics.

1337
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 3: So I think that's something with Will Campbell. If it

1338
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: works for him, it works for him, you don't screw

1339
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 3: with it, and it's not something you're necessarily gonna touch

1340
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: right away if he's proving in the summer that it's worked,

1341
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 3: but if he starts to struggle, that's going to be

1342
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 3: one of the first things you look at and correct.

1343
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: When when Drake May first got in here last year,

1344
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,919
Speaker 2: I remember talking to TC McCartney, their quarterbacks coach last year,

1345
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 2: and I know that staff has a lot of negative

1346
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: energy around him right now, but they did a nice

1347
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 2: job with Drake May. Van Pelton McCarty one thing, Yeah,

1348
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: the hardest thing they do. And I remember talking to

1349
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: him about Drake May's throwing motion because there's a lot

1350
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,640
Speaker 2: of talk about it. Was, you know, the elongated throwing

1351
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 2: motion and he kind of brought the arm all the

1352
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 2: way back and they would you want to tighten that?

1353
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: Would you want to shorten that? And the one thing

1354
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: that McCartney said to me was that if when it

1355
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: comes to the throwing motion, the concern that you have

1356
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: about it is is he controlling the football and is

1357
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 2: he throwing the ball accurately? So some people looked at

1358
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: it in the draft and said, Drake May's throwing motion

1359
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: is part of the reason why he has those May

1360
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 2: sprays like is because it's throwing motions longer. So basically

1361
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: you just have like more margin. You're creating a more

1362
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 2: room for error, right because yeah, you're longer, so you

1363
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 2: have more time to make a mistake in your mechanics.

1364
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 2: So if you shorten that motion up and in theory,

1365
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 2: it's gonna be quicker, it's gonna be more compact, the

1366
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: ball is going to come out smoother. I would say

1367
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: the same thing is true for Will Campbell. They didn't

1368
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: touch Drake May's arm motion because they felt like it

1369
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 2: wasn't an issue, right, They felt like it wasn't why

1370
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 2: he wasn't throwing accurately. They thought the accuracy was more

1371
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 2: timed up with his footwork and the fact that he

1372
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: wasn't throwing in rhythm with his feet. So once they

1373
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: cleaned that up, he had some sprays last year, but

1374
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: he was way more accurate than anybody could have imagined.

1375
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 2: Like it was way better than anybody could have imagined.

1376
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: Same thing in my mind with Will Campbell, Like you said,

1377
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 2: if his stance in his start of his set is

1378
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: not hindering him and he's not losing because of it,

1379
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 2: then don't touch it. If he sprayed the ball all

1380
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 2: over the field with the offensive line equivalent of that is,

1381
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 2: then maybe you start to be a little bit more

1382
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 2: concerned about him, and you start to get him into

1383
01:03:58,360 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: a more natural stance.

1384
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: But I'm not.

1385
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: I'm not worried about like the high any of the

1386
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: high level stuff with Bill Campbell.

1387
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: I'm really not.

1388
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be fine. All this little minutia

1389
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 2: stuff though, is uh.

1390
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: So we do on the show.

1391
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: I find it interesting. We'll see what happens I don't

1392
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 2: know if they're gonna tweak with it, but I will

1393
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 2: definitely be looking for it. Uh. Kayley is in San Diego.

1394
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 2: What's up, Kayley?

1395
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 8: Kayley, Hey, guys, I was watching Patriots on stills here

1396
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 8: yesterday and I heard Evan was talking a little bit

1397
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 8: about the break in between for the summer. Who are

1398
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 8: you guys watching for this summer and making sure they're

1399
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 8: staying out of trouble. We saw Digs in the yacht.

1400
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 8: Who else do we we watch him?

1401
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 2: Oh Man, Thanks for the call, Keyley. I'm not going

1402
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: to speculate on players potentially getting into trouble. Let's hope

1403
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 2: nobody does. But that was just a point we brought

1404
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,040
Speaker 2: up lot yesterday about this being at the time of

1405
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: the off season where just league wide, unfortunately, this is

1406
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 2: when guys tend tool out again in some trouble. But

1407
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 2: let me ask you this as an off season topic, Kaylee.

1408
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: We're not dodging your question. It's just I don't think

1409
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: we need to speculate about that. The question that I

1410
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: have for you, because I have two different brains when

1411
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 2: it comes to this, My you know, working brain is saying,

1412
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: if you cancel my summer NFL calendar. I am not

1413
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 2: going to be happy, Okay, like this is our This

1414
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 2: five weeks is really our summer. Yeah, where we actually

1415
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: get to enjoy summer. And woe is us? I know,

1416
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: but bear with me.

1417
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1418
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: However, from a logistical standpoint, it makes less than zero

1419
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: sense that they go through this spring circuit and they

1420
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 2: have this weird five week gap and then we come

1421
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 2: back for training camp. It just doesn't make any sense

1422
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: logistically why they do it this way. I still think,

1423
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,480
Speaker 2: based off of some of the things that you hear

1424
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 2: coming out of these NFLPA meetings and league meetings, that

1425
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: reconfiguring the entire offseason is on the calendar or on

1426
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: the you know, in terms of just putting it so

1427
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: that OTA's leads directly into mini camp, directly into training camp.

1428
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: Instead of having the spring start in April run through June,

1429
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: five week break training camp, we would have probably everything

1430
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: would probably start in the beginning to middle of June

1431
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 2: run all the way through July. Maybe you have like

1432
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: a week off in there somewhere around July fourth, and

1433
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: everybody back for training camp. You the reporter would probably

1434
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,960
Speaker 2: hate it, But doesn't it make more logistical sense for

1435
01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 2: it to be that way.

1436
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It doesn't. You need a break physically at

1437
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 1: some point.

1438
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: So the break would be the off season from the

1439
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 2: end of the football season in January slash February to

1440
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 2: the beginning of June.

1441
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 3: I just think break two and a half months of camp,

1442
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: because that's what you're talking about. So you're talking about

1443
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: starting in mid June, mid June to mid July, mid

1444
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: July to mid August to the end of August, right,

1445
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 3: is the that's two and a half months of camp.

1446
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 1: You'd have like, that's brutal, so you'd have to shorten it.

1447
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: You'd have. What you'd have is is this ota thing

1448
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: what we have now where when in the very beginning

1449
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 2: would be more of like a ramp up period and

1450
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,640
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be five six practices a week. It would

1451
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 2: be like two or three practices a week.

1452
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 3: How about So how about you just get rid of

1453
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 3: that and you start like the second week in July.

1454
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 3: Start get rid of the spring and start two weeks earlier.

1455
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 2: That would That is probably the compromise. That's where the

1456
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: NFLPA is. Yeah, the NFLPA wants to do away with

1457
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 2: the spring starting all together.

1458
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 3: So like for instance, this year, because they always start

1459
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 3: on that Wednesday now, right, which is July twenty twenty third, Yes,

1460
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 3: start on July ninth, So that gives you two more

1461
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 3: weeks to lead up and that can be all the install. Right,

1462
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:57,320
Speaker 3: What is install realistically, Tay, I've never done this process.

1463
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: It is two weeks too short for install.

1464
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 2: For your base stuff. No, now, but.

1465
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: What are they installed in the spring? I'm saying the

1466
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 1: install that you would do in the springing.

1467
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm talking about your base offense, meaning like

1468
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: first and ten from the twenty five what plays are

1469
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: you running if by the end of the spring, because

1470
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 2: they have the extra time. Now, by the end of

1471
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 2: the spring, they're already into like red zone work. Well,

1472
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: I get so that the other thing, that type of

1473
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 2: stuff would have to wait.

1474
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 3: Well, the other thing, I guess is because we're thinking

1475
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 3: of this starting with OTAs, they have what a month

1476
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 3: before OTAs begin, that's on the calendar.

1477
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: Yes, So when is is that? What's starting in so

1478
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: the June.

1479
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 2: The proposal that I have seen from the NFLPA, and

1480
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 2: that came out a couple of years ago, is the

1481
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 2: first time I heard of this. The proposal that I

1482
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 2: saw was they would start probably right around this time,

1483
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit earlier. They would have essentially a

1484
01:08:57,080 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 2: mini version of the spring where it's o TA rules,

1485
01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: nonpadded shorts and T shirt.

1486
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: What about the stuff before they even get to the

1487
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 3: o TA practices because that would be that phase one,

1488
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: Phase two that would be gone. But you need that too,

1489
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,720
Speaker 3: because isn't that when you like go over on the whiteboard.

1490
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 2: That's when LA gonna be And yes, that's the classroom.

1491
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 1: So do you need that?

1492
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: I think you need it. But this is the compromise, okay,

1493
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 2: because I think that the this and in the story

1494
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 2: that Paul Broke brought up as a story from from

1495
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 2: Bill from Belichick about how stressed out Belichick would be

1496
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: about this time of year because you don't know what

1497
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: the players are doing. They're completely off, they're out of

1498
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 2: the ibility. And it's not just about the off fields,

1499
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: it's also where they come back.

1500
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 3: I guess what I worry about is if you shorten this,

1501
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 3: we already have enough issues where you get to week

1502
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 3: one and players aren't ready.

1503
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1504
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 3: The first month of the season has become an extended

1505
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 3: preseason because teams are still installing plays. The linemen have

1506
01:09:56,880 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 3: barely hit anybody. So if you're gonna shorten this even further,

1507
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: or what is that going to do to the quality

1508
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 3: of the product. If they're gonna do that, you need

1509
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 3: to have more padded practices.

1510
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:07,600
Speaker 1: You need to and I.

1511
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: Don't think the players are gonna go for that, and

1512
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 3: I don't know that they should, but like you need

1513
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 3: to balance the fact that you still need to actually

1514
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 3: get ready for the season.

1515
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: Agreed. Now, the biggest pushback this is really I would

1516
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,679
Speaker 2: say player driven mostly. Yeah, the biggest pushback I think

1517
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 2: players have about all of this is that in no

1518
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: other sport, in professional American sports, do you have this

1519
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 2: kind of calendar where there's a spring practice circuit for

1520
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: seven eight weeks. It's almost two whole months really when

1521
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 2: you think about it. They have a little bit of

1522
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 2: a lull in there, like around the draft and rookie

1523
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 2: County camp where the veterans are out of the building,

1524
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 2: but it's basically a two month thing. From April to

1525
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 2: the beginning of June. You have a spring camp, then

1526
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 2: you have a five week break, and then you have

1527
01:10:56,240 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: training camp into the season and then you're going In baseball,

1528
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 2: they report for spring training and they play all the

1529
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,080
Speaker 2: way through. In basketball they report for camp, they play

1530
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 2: all the way through, and hockey they report for camp.

1531
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so much more you have to do in football.

1532
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 2: But I think that the players want one continuous break. Yeah,

1533
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: that's what they're trying to vouch for. So to your point,

1534
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 2: teams are probably saying, well, let's do two weeks of

1535
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 2: Phase one Phase two classroom in stall and conditioning. Then

1536
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 2: we'll do a three week ramp up period that is

1537
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 2: OTA rules, you know, shorts and T shirts. But we're

1538
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: on the practice field, we're playing actual football eleven on eleven,

1539
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 2: and then training camp starts right around the same time. Now,

1540
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 2: that would start you in US right around mid June,

1541
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 2: mid June, where like right where Mini camp started. Yep,

1542
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: that would be phase one of ot of OTAs would

1543
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: be then, and we would you would run all the

1544
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: way through the whole season. It wouldn't stop at that point.

1545
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just a lot. That's a longer calendar than

1546
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: these other leagues.

1547
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 2: Have, which is why the players are pushing back and

1548
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: want it. Don't want to chop off Phase one and

1549
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:10,439
Speaker 2: Phase two all together.

1550
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 3: I just you can't. You still need to get ready

1551
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 3: for the season. You still have. Also, there's so I've

1552
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 3: heard mixed things on this from players because some guys,

1553
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,160
Speaker 3: you know, during the season you don't get a lot

1554
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 3: of toat time to spend with your family. And this

1555
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 3: is more of the older players. You have kids, right,

1556
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 3: you want to be off when they're off. You want

1557
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 3: to be off when they're out of school. Yeah, so

1558
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 3: you can do stuff as a family. And you know,

1559
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,360
Speaker 3: if you start on June eleventh, you're basically going back

1560
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 3: to work, well like a week before they start summer vacation.

1561
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just you know, all of those things like

1562
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 2: if you play in New England and you're up here

1563
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 2: that time of year, obviously this is the best time

1564
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 2: weather wise, is the best time for vica. You know,

1565
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: the vacation around here.

1566
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: Like it's weird.

1567
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 3: But in theory, the best way to do it that

1568
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 3: would make everybody the happiest.

1569
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: This wouldn't be good for the football. The best way

1570
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,519
Speaker 1: to do it would.

1571
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 3: Be to do it in the other direction. Come out

1572
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 3: of the draft, go right into OTAs. Not because there's

1573
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 3: like two or three weeks right between the drafts and OTAs.

1574
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 3: Come out of the draft, go right in OTAs, going

1575
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 3: to mini camp, do training camp in like May and June,

1576
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:16,679
Speaker 3: take July off and then come back and like MiG

1577
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 3: mid August and have like a two week ramp up

1578
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 3: to the season. Now, that makes zero sense logistically because

1579
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 3: you're gonna lose a lot and then have to get

1580
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:29,040
Speaker 3: right into the football. But that's probably what everybody would want.

1581
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 3: It would just hurt the football.

1582
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,400
Speaker 2: So here's why I brought it up. Not only because

1583
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: I am preparing myself for this being a reality at

1584
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: some point that they're gonna chop July off in June,

1585
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:45,840
Speaker 2: but also Joff here from Virginia. He wrote in about

1586
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: potential eighteen game schedule, and in my mind, the league

1587
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,040
Speaker 2: is not going to part with anything, you know what

1588
01:13:53,080 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: I mean, the league, I mean the owners. Yeah, the

1589
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 2: owners are not gonna part with anything that cost them money.

1590
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: Like they're just they're not gonna give up any game.

1591
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: They're not going to give up any any gate, you know,

1592
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 2: ticket gates or anything like that. They're not going to

1593
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: give up anything of actual value. Now, the one thing

1594
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 2: they might give up is making the calendar more player friendly, right,

1595
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,639
Speaker 2: because that doesn't cost him any money in theory. So

1596
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 2: jaw for Jeff, I don't know how it's Jeff with

1597
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 2: a G.

1598
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: That's Jeff.

1599
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: Jeff in Virginia says, you know, the eighteen game schedule

1600
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 2: is coming and is an off season topic. That's why

1601
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm bringing it up, and that's probably fair. So he said,

1602
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: how would you guys feel about three bye weeks to

1603
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: keep players healthier? The way it would work is you

1604
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 2: would do half the NFL have a bye thing. It's

1605
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 2: giving week. Half the week before knout will have the

1606
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: prior off week. Then you do one bye week. Okay,

1607
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: this is very complicated. Basically, his proposal is to have

1608
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: eighteen games, three bye weeks, and then have the super

1609
01:14:56,720 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: Bowl on Presidence Day. If I'm not mistaken, all they

1610
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 2: have to do is add one more week in the

1611
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: super Bowls on President Yeah.

1612
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 3: And that's coming, and that that's absolutely coming. Although they're

1613
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,400
Speaker 3: gonna get rid of a preseason game when they add

1614
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 3: the eighteenth, so I'm not sure where that week will

1615
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 3: come from. Honestly, what they should do is, I assume

1616
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 3: when they go to eighteen games, they're also going to

1617
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 3: go to eight teams per conference in the playoffs, because

1618
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: that thing is looming to once there's no bye weeks,

1619
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 3: they should have a bye week before the playoffs.

1620
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: And just everybody gets that week off like that. So

1621
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:28,639
Speaker 1: maybe that's.

1622
01:15:28,479 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 3: How you get to President's Day because they didn't they

1623
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 3: added a bye week before the regular season when they

1624
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 3: got rid of the fourth preseason game to push it

1625
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 3: back the way they did. No, they're gonna have to

1626
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,839
Speaker 3: go to two bye weeks when they get to eighteen games,

1627
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: Like that's gonna happen. But what I think is that

1628
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 3: what that's gonna be is it's going to be. Uh,

1629
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 3: the NHL does something like this. I think it's called

1630
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 3: potted bye weeks. I don't remember exactly, but like you're

1631
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 3: you're basically grouped with your division and every division has

1632
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 3: a bye week at the same time. So what you'll

1633
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 3: have is probably from weeks with three to ten, eight

1634
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 3: weeks three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Yeah,

1635
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 3: so from weeks three to ten or four to eleven,

1636
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 3: you'll each division will have a bye week in there,

1637
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: and then from weeks eleven to whatever whatever to whatever. Right,

1638
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,439
Speaker 3: So you wouldn't you wouldn't have a bye week week

1639
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 3: two and five, right, it would be you're you're gonna

1640
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 3: be in a group with the same team with your

1641
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 3: division you're all or maybe they just group teams differently, whatever,

1642
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 3: But like every team would have one bye week before

1643
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 3: the halfway point, every team would have one by week

1644
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 3: after the halfway point, and you'd be taking the same

1645
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 3: bye weeks with the same teams you're grouped with, and

1646
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 3: the ideas you'd be grouped with teams that you play

1647
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 3: to make the scheduling easier.

1648
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,439
Speaker 1: Eighteen games, two byes, eighteen games two buys.

1649
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:51,880
Speaker 3: But it's not that it's a little more complicated than that,

1650
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 3: because you can't give a team like week two and

1651
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 3: five for a bye or week fifteen and like thirteen

1652
01:16:57,439 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 3: and fifty four state right, everybody, It's really what it's

1653
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 3: gonna have to be is first half by, second half BY,

1654
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to split it like that. And

1655
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 3: if you have an early first half BY, you have

1656
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 3: an early second half BI. If you have a late

1657
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 3: first half BY, you have a late second half BY.

1658
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 3: Because even if you split first and second, if you

1659
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 3: have a bye week week eight and a bye week

1660
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 3: week eleven, that could be advantageous or disadvantageous depending on

1661
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 3: who you look at. So there's gonna be more math

1662
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: that goes into the bye weeks, and this is where

1663
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: it's okay to use math. There's gonna be more math

1664
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 3: that goes into the bye weeks once you get to

1665
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 3: two and when they go to eight teams in the playoffs,

1666
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: I'll say this again, there should be a bye week

1667
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 3: before the wildcard round.

1668
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: So I agree. I actually love the idea of the

1669
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: bye week before the wildcard round because I feel like

1670
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 2: that would also then in turn, maybe make week eighteen

1671
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,600
Speaker 2: or nineteen, whenever the hell it's gonna be, it'd be

1672
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 2: week twenty.

1673
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: If you're gonna it's gonna be two buys eighteen games,

1674
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:50,719
Speaker 1: be week twenty, Week twenty.

1675
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 2: That would then, in theory, make week twenty more viable

1676
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: because you're not Teams that know they're gonna be playing

1677
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 2: on wildcard weekend now often use that as a rest

1678
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: week or they go easy or whatever. It's kind of

1679
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: a pseudo bye week because they don't have the bye week,

1680
01:18:05,439 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 2: so they have to build their own bye week. So

1681
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,680
Speaker 2: now in theory that that week becomes more of like

1682
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 2: the regulars, you're not going to get what we got

1683
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 2: last year with Joe Milton versus the Buffalo backups, Like

1684
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,080
Speaker 2: you're not gonna get that as often. So I'm for that.

1685
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: I think that's just better for the product as well.

1686
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: I eighteen weeks, two buys where we're headed. The concessions,

1687
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 2: my guess is a lot of them we won't even

1688
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 2: hear about in terms of the NFLPA will be little

1689
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 2: things that have nothing to do with anything. Maybe the

1690
01:18:34,120 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 2: offseason reconfiguration. Those will probably be the concessions by the league.

1691
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,040
Speaker 2: And let one less preseason game, which.

1692
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: I can't wait till five hundred teams again.

1693
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,639
Speaker 2: And it won't bring five hundred teams back.

1694
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,440
Speaker 1: Right, yeah? Yeah, eighteen games, yes, even number.

1695
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: So math ye, So yeah, I think that that's that's

1696
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 2: where we're headed. It'll be interesting to see though when

1697
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 2: we get there. Presidents say weekend right now is just

1698
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: a week after the super Bowl, right like?

1699
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: Correct?

1700
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, they need they need one more week and

1701
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 3: then it will finally be official. The day after super

1702
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 3: Bowl will be a holiday.

1703
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: It could just be holiday, like they could just make.

1704
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 1: It back to I'll be fair, like back to back

1705
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: federal holidays. That's a tough sell.

1706
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,960
Speaker 2: I feel like our current president would do something.

1707
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:18,160
Speaker 1: Like that, though, Look, if it's built in, why not.

1708
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 3: Also, don't you want to get it off of you

1709
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 3: have a certain other obligation that weekend, right, wouldn't you.

1710
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 1: Like to get it out of that weekend?

1711
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 3: I get again, Actually everybody is a certain it's also

1712
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day.

1713
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:29,559
Speaker 1: We get again.

1714
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: I find woe is me, But I get absolutely bamboozled

1715
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: by that week because it's just as birthday and it's

1716
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 2: Valentine's Day and it's Super Bowl.

1717
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 1: So that the rams bengled super Bowl.

1718
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 3: Like I was texting you the whole time you were Yes,

1719
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 3: we were to find out after you weren't watching.

1720
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 1: We were out to dinner and there was probably didn't

1721
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:51,880
Speaker 1: have to wait for a table and no wait and listen.

1722
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jess, I rented out the whole restaurant.

1723
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: Look at this and as you know, just as a

1724
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 2: big sports fan. So it's not it's not like that

1725
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 2: she's like one of those girls that's like, you know,

1726
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 2: very anti this whole thing, but doesn't trump her birthday

1727
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: when when it's not relevant teams, if it's not the

1728
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: Patriots playing in the super Bowl, it's not relevant teams,

1729
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. But there was a TV in her

1730
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 2: like her head was here and the TV was like

1731
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 2: right here. I know I'm really good radio right now.

1732
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 2: The TV was right behind her, and she could tell

1733
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,840
Speaker 2: that I was looking through her to the TV at

1734
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 2: one point, and she she made it. She was just

1735
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: not happy. I don't think she made a switch seats,

1736
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 2: but she wasn't.

1737
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 3: You of all people should want that, is it? I

1738
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:34,200
Speaker 3: kind of And it was the first year they did it.

1739
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 3: I think it was on Valentine's Day, right, and it

1740
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 3: was like brutal, just good luck, good luck to all you. No,

1741
01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:43,600
Speaker 3: oh wee, I look, I I speaking see I have

1742
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: the opposite. My birthday is on a major sports day

1743
01:20:46,479 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 3: or weekend, and I love it. My birthday weekend and

1744
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 3: it's not always exact day. My birthday weekend, uh is

1745
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 3: usually the first weekend of March Madness, which is awesome.

1746
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: They'd better not expand the tornament. I do not want

1747
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: that to be the second weekend. It's also it's just

1748
01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: too it's too many teams. It's too many teams.

1749
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 3: Do not expand, Charlie Baker, do not expand March Madness. Please,

1750
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 3: it's fine, so plenty of teams.

1751
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 2: You say this though, and Justin and I are going

1752
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: on six years together. Can you believe that's? Yeah? It's crazy, like,

1753
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 2: throw us a party for that six years? Well, isn't

1754
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,519
Speaker 2: that the That might be Yeah, that might be the goal.

1755
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 3: There's a thing, there is a party for that that

1756
01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,600
Speaker 3: people generally have, by the way.

1757
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: So anyways, uh may the Patriots have obviously never played

1758
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl, yeah, in that six year period,

1759
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,160
Speaker 2: so hopefully fingers crossed Mike Rabel all goes well, But

1760
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 2: imagine my world if I am not only am I

1761
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,200
Speaker 2: gone for the entire week covering the Super Bowl, woe

1762
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:47,719
Speaker 2: is me, but I am also not home for her birthday.

1763
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 1: So it's been six years.

1764
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 3: So literally, so you guys, the first year you guys

1765
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,600
Speaker 3: were together was nineteen yeah, because because I remember watching that,

1766
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 3: I was I was with you guys for that super Bowl.

1767
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 2: So twenty nineteen. Yeah, we met in October during football

1768
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 2: season of October of twenty nineteen and U and that

1769
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,919
Speaker 2: was That was a weird football season for me because

1770
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:11,759
Speaker 2: my priority has changed quite rapidly, like all of a sudden,

1771
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 2: I went from like only obsessed with football to like

1772
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 2: having this whole other thing in my life. My life

1773
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: definitely changed for the better, but it definitely changed.

1774
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna move to the Patriots, and the Patriots they're

1775
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: gonna move it back. The only shame in then moving

1776
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: it back.

1777
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,719
Speaker 3: I remember the Patriots, so that the first week of February,

1778
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 3: right Februar one, two, three, four, five, sixty seven, I

1779
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 3: believe I remember looking at some the time. The Patriots

1780
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 3: have won Super Bowls on I think five of those dates,

1781
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 3: so they only needed two more, and we would have

1782
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:44,440
Speaker 3: spent the entire week with a Patriots super Bowl anniversary

1783
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 3: on every day. And now when they win another one,

1784
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 3: we'll have to wait a whole other week. That one

1785
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 3: will be separate from all the others, and we only

1786
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,000
Speaker 3: have five days of the week we get to separate

1787
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 3: celebrate super Bowls.

1788
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh woe was us.

1789
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,759
Speaker 2: But we'll get back to the football here in a second.

1790
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 2: But just one last offseason things. So Frank Amer, congratulations

1791
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:05,640
Speaker 2: to got married, smart man. This is the time to

1792
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: get married if you're if you're in any NFL.

1793
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,600
Speaker 3: Unless they move this calendar, and then his anniversary is

1794
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 3: going to be during trient camp.

1795
01:23:11,720 --> 01:23:14,719
Speaker 2: But in theory, you line up. It's not just about

1796
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: the wedding day. Everybody thinks about the wedding day, but

1797
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: nobody thinks about the wedding day and the anniversary, right,

1798
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:23,640
Speaker 2: because then it's your anniversary every single year too. If

1799
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 2: you do it during football season, not only did you

1800
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 2: get married during football season, but then your anniversary now

1801
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 2: falls on football season every single year. So smart man

1802
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,560
Speaker 2: got married right during this dead time of the offseason,

1803
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:37,920
Speaker 2: right now, and now every year, he should be safe.

1804
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: I think he'll be safe unless they move his calendar.

1805
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 2: Unless they move the calendar, and then he's screwed. All right,

1806
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,759
Speaker 2: let's get back to the phones here. Robin is in Westboro.

1807
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 2: What's up, Robin?

1808
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 6: Hey, guys, that's going Hey good. So I sort of

1809
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,799
Speaker 6: have a bone to pick with both of you about

1810
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 6: this argument.

1811
01:23:57,960 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Okay.

1812
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,920
Speaker 6: I feel like the media is split into people who

1813
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 6: don't like math, like math and uh no one who

1814
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 6: actually does math. I see you as a lot of

1815
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 6: people who are handed as statistic and trusted equicitly or

1816
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:20,720
Speaker 6: they are distrusted immediately.

1817
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 2: All these formulas are secret.

1818
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: You can't do it yourself. All the formulas are kept secret.

1819
01:24:27,880 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 2: No, No, but you can create.

1820
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 6: Your still have a general idea how it calculates.

1821
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 3: No, that's the whole thing with dv o A. It's

1822
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,839
Speaker 3: a secret formula, right, you don't know how it's calculate.

1823
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 6: DVO is definitely a bit more secret. But I think

1824
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 6: e p A is actually something you could work with

1825
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 6: a lot more.

1826
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 2: You could code it.

1827
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: You have not a code.

1828
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 3: That's yeah, the average football fans coding. The average fans

1829
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 3: coding is uh. I think QB are secret, right, pride secret.

1830
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 1: We don't want people to know because we're just trying

1831
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: to create things that fit our narrative. Sorry, go, you

1832
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: could let him tell.

1833
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 6: But my point is. My point is that people people

1834
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 6: who do MAK understand that there's assumptions built into it

1835
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,320
Speaker 6: and are are less likely to trust their own statistics

1836
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 6: because they know where the shortcomings are. And I just

1837
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,559
Speaker 6: wanted to say, like, e p A is a very

1838
01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 6: real stat.

1839
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: Alex, Yeah, what is it?

1840
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: What is it? The measure of.

1841
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 6: Expected points?

1842
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 1: But it's expect. It's not real, it's expected.

1843
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 2: It's right there, Robin all.

1844
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,080
Speaker 11: Expected is average point. It's just where his abilities. So

1845
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 11: we say expected, Yeah, he doesn't. He's hung up on

1846
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,040
Speaker 11: the word expect. He's hung up on the word expected.

1847
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, Alex, how about this? How about you just read

1848
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 6: a summary of how e p A is calculated? And

1849
01:25:56,600 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 6: I think you'll like it a much a bit better

1850
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 6: better than you think, because it plays into the situation

1851
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 6: of the game a bit more like this. I'm not

1852
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 6: saying it's an all end all it's a great stat

1853
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 6: because again there's assumption built in, but I think, uh,

1854
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 6: it plays into the situation a bit more than you think.

1855
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: Is that a problem? I thought you had a bone

1856
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: to pick with both of us. That's just a.

1857
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 6: Talics Oh oh, Evan, Uh, I guess my problem was

1858
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 6: that sometimes you blindly trust the statistics like EPA, do

1859
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 6: you do you know how it's calculated you or do

1860
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 6: you have a general idea you don't need to know

1861
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:43,360
Speaker 6: the nitty gritty yes, yeah, and stuff like that. It

1862
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 6: helps you understand what the statistic is. Basically, what I'm

1863
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 6: saying is watch the game film of the statistics rather

1864
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 6: than just have a statistics to spit out.

1865
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, I think I watch enough game

1866
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 2: film for all of us. But thanks for the call, Robin. Yeah,

1867
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 2: I hear what he's saying. No, I'm not a I'm

1868
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:07,000
Speaker 2: not a statistician like I didn't. I'm not a I'm

1869
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 2: not a that much of a math guy. I am

1870
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 2: one of those math guys that if you give me

1871
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 2: the numbers, I then interpret the numbers the way I

1872
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,400
Speaker 2: want to interpret them. Right, I'm not somebody that's actually

1873
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 2: calculating the numbers itself. I'm not Aaron Shatz, Like, I'm

1874
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:24,840
Speaker 2: not building a formula and calculating numbers. I just use

1875
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:27,400
Speaker 2: the numbers at Aaron Shatz gives me to then draw

1876
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 2: conclusions from them.

1877
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 1: But you don't know. But so this is what bothers me.

1878
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: You don't know what the basis is for those numbers.

1879
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 2: DVOA is his own formula. So that's that's something that

1880
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: is a little bit more cut and dry in terms

1881
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 2: of that. But expected points added, I do know for

1882
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,080
Speaker 2: the most part how it's calculated.

1883
01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: You know, take what it is basically on average, this

1884
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: this team would score this many points on this drive.

1885
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 3: This is how much they actually scored on this drive.

1886
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 3: This is the difference plus or minus or whatever. I

1887
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 3: don't care about that. Why did they do better than

1888
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 3: the average team did? Why did they did where? I

1889
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 3: would like to think that most football fans people watch

1890
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: the game semi regularly can figure that out by watching

1891
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 3: the game themselves. Hey, this team started at the opposents

1892
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 3: thirty yard line, it didn't score. I don't need a

1893
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 3: number to tell me that was a bad drive. Why

1894
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 3: didn't they score? Was the pass protection bad? Did the

1895
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:23,720
Speaker 3: quarterback make a bad decision? Was the play calling bad?

1896
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 3: Did the defense make an unbelievable play? Did the coach

1897
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 3: make a bad decision? In terms of going forward, like

1898
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 3: that's don't I don't care that, you know, well, the

1899
01:28:34,240 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 3: average team usually scores here and they didn't. I know,

1900
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 3: I know, and I'd like to maybe I'm giving the

1901
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,120
Speaker 3: average fan too much credit. I'd like to think the

1902
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 3: average fan knows without being shown a number.

1903
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,679
Speaker 2: But I don't think that that's I don't think that's

1904
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: out for debate in terms of that's not what the

1905
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: numbers are being used for. The numbers are being used

1906
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 2: to do two things. Either rank things, yeah, you know,

1907
01:28:56,680 --> 01:29:01,560
Speaker 2: ranked players, rank offenses, ranked defenses, or to just like quantify,

1908
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,639
Speaker 2: you know, so and so is having a really good

1909
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 2: season in this area of the game. Third down. Let's say,

1910
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 2: you know, what are like all the NFL teams or

1911
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 2: what are like, who's the best third down team in

1912
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 2: the NFL. I know you might traditionally just use like

1913
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:19,920
Speaker 2: the percentages of did you make it or did you

1914
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 2: not make it? But EPA takes that into account and

1915
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: then also adds more of like did you generate an

1916
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 2: explosive play on third down? Not just did you pick

1917
01:29:28,800 --> 01:29:30,840
Speaker 2: up seven yards on third and six, but did you

1918
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 2: pick up twenty seve years.

1919
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 3: We already have numbers for all this. We have third

1920
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 3: down percentage, we have our average yards gains per third down.

1921
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,839
Speaker 3: I know you're gonna tell me, well, third down percentage

1922
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 3: doesn't work because you know, if one team has an

1923
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: average of eight yards to go and one team has

1924
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 3: an average for five yards to go, obviously the five

1925
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: yard team. Okay, but that's almost removing the context because well,

1926
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: you know, relatively speaking, the team that's in third and eight,

1927
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 3: you know, converts more than the team that's in third

1928
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 3: and five, even though the percentage is lower. Okay, but

1929
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 3: the the team that's in third and five more often

1930
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 3: is still the better team because they're getting the third

1931
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 3: and five instead of third and eight. I actually don't

1932
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 3: want that piece of context removed. I want that in there.

1933
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 3: So like, I just think it's again it's I'm not

1934
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 3: even saying the numbers are wrong. I just think it's

1935
01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 3: in people creating another they're adding or subtracting context as

1936
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 3: they want in order to find a number that supports

1937
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:28,280
Speaker 3: their argument.

1938
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: That's what analytics are to me.

1939
01:30:31,080 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 3: So often they feel backwards engineered that this is what

1940
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 3: I believe, and I need a number that I can

1941
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 3: put out there to say what I believe versus I

1942
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,240
Speaker 3: believe this, and here are the numbers that back it up.

1943
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:46,160
Speaker 3: Because it's why can't people say, I think some of

1944
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 3: these people because they don't watch the game in a

1945
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 3: way they can say I believe this, and maybe the

1946
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:51,960
Speaker 3: numbers don't back it up, but here are the x

1947
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 3: and ose football reasons why it's true. The numbers are

1948
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:56,839
Speaker 3: in there to replace the x and ose football reasons,

1949
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 3: which I understand simplifies it for some. But I also

1950
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 3: think it's become something that's kind of become a lazy tool.

1951
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:06,120
Speaker 2: So two things to that, and to a different point

1952
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 2: to that. Specifically, I tried to like the caller's point

1953
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,800
Speaker 2: about like watch the film that which is I think

1954
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 2: is funny, so to I try to watch the I

1955
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 2: watched the film first and foremost all the time. So

1956
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:20,719
Speaker 2: when you but I when I look at the film,

1957
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 2: and I'll say, just in my head, when I watched

1958
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 2: that tape. My takeaway was that they were really successful

1959
01:31:29,320 --> 01:31:32,439
Speaker 2: this week with gap runs for whatever reason, their downhill

1960
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:35,759
Speaker 2: run scheme, the gap schemes. Those schemes are really humming today.

1961
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 2: But in theory like that could be anecdotal, right like

1962
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 2: where it's just a couple of big plays stand out

1963
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,040
Speaker 2: in your head and that's how it feels. What I

1964
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 2: like about the numbers is that I can say the

1965
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Patriots are really effective in man coverage this week, or

1966
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:55,360
Speaker 2: the Patriots are really affected effective with gap runs this week,

1967
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 2: and then I can put not just my eye test

1968
01:31:58,479 --> 01:32:00,559
Speaker 2: to it. I can put an actual quant a fiable

1969
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 2: number to it and say the Patriots are really good

1970
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 2: in gap runs this week. Their EPA was plus whatever.

1971
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,120
Speaker 2: So now you say you have my film analysis backed

1972
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:13,719
Speaker 2: up by the numbers. If you're going to the numbers

1973
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,040
Speaker 2: and then reverse engineering like you said, and then trying

1974
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 2: to pry out the film that supports the numbers, you're

1975
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 2: doing the back.

1976
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,280
Speaker 1: Don't you believe that there's people that do that? Probably, yeah,

1977
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:23,639
Speaker 1: there are.

1978
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 2: But I think that the hope is is that the

1979
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 2: football people, the people actually in the football world that

1980
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 2: are making these decisions or commentading on this type of

1981
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 2: stuff are doing in the way I'm so, and it's

1982
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 2: this is what I'm seeing because let's face it, I'm

1983
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:43,840
Speaker 2: I fully am aware. I am not a coach. I

1984
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 2: am not in a football front office, I am not

1985
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 2: on a coaching staff. So yeah, I can sit here

1986
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:50,120
Speaker 2: and tell you that I know how to watch the film.

1987
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,360
Speaker 2: If you don't believe that, I totally understand.

1988
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:55,000
Speaker 3: But why can't you do Why couldn't you just do

1989
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 3: yards per carry on gap versus yards per carry on

1990
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:58,719
Speaker 3: that gap?

1991
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 2: You could, but yards per carrying itself, like kind of

1992
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 2: the callers point has inherent flaws to the statistic, Like

1993
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 2: what if like a two yard run on thirty and

1994
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 2: one is much different than the two yard run on

1995
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:12,759
Speaker 2: first and ten. That's where EPA can help. Like EPA,

1996
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 2: that's the goal of the statistics.

1997
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 3: So the one that I've started coming around on it's

1998
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 3: success rate. It's a similarity, which is basically like did

1999
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 3: you get x percentage yards to a first down?

2000
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:24,400
Speaker 1: Right?

2001
01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? So the way that I look at EPA is,

2002
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 2: you know, just kind of sum it up beyond just

2003
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,840
Speaker 2: its expensive points at it. EPA to me is a

2004
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:40,160
Speaker 2: better measurement of like explosiveness of your offense, like essentially

2005
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:42,559
Speaker 2: just like a more glorified yards per play.

2006
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: Okay, we have other explode we have explosive play percentage.

2007
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:49,200
Speaker 2: Right, but when you look at explosive play percentage, you're

2008
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,800
Speaker 2: you're taking the sample and you're going like this because

2009
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 2: you're only looking at the plays that are actually explosive.

2010
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,799
Speaker 2: EPA takes all of the plays into account and measures

2011
01:33:57,800 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 2: how just explosive an offense is compared to the to

2012
01:34:02,320 --> 01:34:06,120
Speaker 2: the average. Right, you can still success rate is really good.

2013
01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 2: Success rate is like consistency of an offense, like how

2014
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 2: consistently are you taking chunks out of the chance?

2015
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: Right?

2016
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,360
Speaker 3: So success rate I've kind of come around because you know,

2017
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:17,200
Speaker 3: my theory is that like if you run the ball

2018
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,080
Speaker 3: for three point four yards per car, you never need

2019
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 3: to throw it, which is not literally true, but it's

2020
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 3: kind of a thought experiment, right, So like I don't

2021
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 3: hate that idea of Okay, how often are you remember

2022
01:34:28,760 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 3: a couple years ago, I got really into that thing

2023
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 3: about average yard average yards to go on first down. Yes,

2024
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,600
Speaker 3: so like that kind of thing I'm super interested in.

2025
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 3: The The EPA to me is just like I don't

2026
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 3: you don't understand it, and nobody do you understand? No,

2027
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 3: but I no, I mean like you can't.

2028
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:47,040
Speaker 2: You can't wrap your head around it because of the

2029
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 2: math equation, Like you don't, it's a form.

2030
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: What is the equation? What is the equation?

2031
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't just look like it's it's not just

2032
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 2: like as simple as a public yard. Yeah, I mean

2033
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 2: it's it's public.

2034
01:34:57,280 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 1: Is it public or public?

2035
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:03,120
Speaker 2: If you or to look it's public. Now Here's the thing,

2036
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 2: the thing that I think bothers me the most about

2037
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 2: your argument, because I hear some of your other arguments

2038
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 2: about this. You and your brethren are caught up on

2039
01:35:12,360 --> 01:35:15,960
Speaker 2: the word expected because in other sports it means it's

2040
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 2: something different than what it means when it comes to

2041
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 2: EPA and basketball. It's like expected points are expected like percentage, Yeah, right,

2042
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: like that that's a projected number. It's not a real number.

2043
01:35:31,479 --> 01:35:34,919
Speaker 2: It is if we take this shot one hundred times,

2044
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,479
Speaker 2: we expect to make it seventy percent of the time.

2045
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 2: But it's not taking into account like your brethren likes

2046
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 2: to say, it's Game seven of the NBA Finals and

2047
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 2: the pressure's on, and like it's a different shot than

2048
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 2: in January that expected goals in hockey, same thing. You're

2049
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 2: taking shots from a high danger area. Most of the

2050
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 2: time those shots go in. This amount of times you

2051
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 2: got hoser, the goalie stood on his head, and it

2052
01:35:57,080 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 2: only went in this many times in this game. That's

2053
01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 2: not what we're talking about when it comes to EPA.

2054
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:06,080
Speaker 2: EPA is taking in this situation, first and ten from

2055
01:36:06,120 --> 01:36:10,599
Speaker 2: the twenty five the league average is this, and you

2056
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 2: produced that.

2057
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,920
Speaker 1: But you don't you don't score two and a half

2058
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: points on one play.

2059
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,400
Speaker 2: But it's not That's not what it is. It's not about, Like,

2060
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:20,480
Speaker 2: we're not talking about it in terms of like touchdowns

2061
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 2: where seven field goals worth three. It's it's on its own.

2062
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:24,920
Speaker 3: So where does that value come from? How are you

2063
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 3: assigning the value to that? What is the point like,

2064
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 3: it's not referring, it's referring to something that's hypothetical, right

2065
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: if you ever run.

2066
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 2: How is it referring? It's it's a it's a baseline

2067
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 2: average of the league. All thirty two teams are this

2068
01:36:39,360 --> 01:36:42,360
Speaker 2: successful on this particular down and distance in this time and.

2069
01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:45,000
Speaker 3: What what what defined successful in that situation?

2070
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,719
Speaker 2: Because you say average place the average amount of yards?

2071
01:36:49,200 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 2: How on first and ten from the twenty five how often, Like,

2072
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 2: what is the average yard per play across the league?

2073
01:36:56,640 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 2: That's the baseline, that's zero in e p A. If

2074
01:37:00,120 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 2: you are above that, if you let's just call it

2075
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 2: four yards. Yeah, if you have if you gain six yards,

2076
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 2: then you're in the green. You're a plus something.

2077
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 1: Would you be plus two?

2078
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 2: No, you're just because because it's so, then what is it?

2079
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: What is the number tied to?

2080
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 2: Because the number is on a scale, you're you're talking

2081
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: about it like, no, you're talking about it like numbers

2082
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 2: on the scoreboard.

2083
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:21,040
Speaker 3: It's not because it's on its own scale, right, So

2084
01:37:21,160 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 3: this is an imaginary number.

2085
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 2: It's oh my god, it's not an imaginary number.

2086
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: There's it's not yards, it's not points, it's not down

2087
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: like what.

2088
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,920
Speaker 2: Its own statistic. Yeah right, it's not. No, it's not

2089
01:37:32,120 --> 01:37:35,400
Speaker 2: made up. Made up is expected field goal percentage? That's

2090
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 2: made up. I get that. This is there's a baseline.

2091
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 2: This is the scale based zero of all thirty two

2092
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 2: teams and what they average in the game.

2093
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 1: Okay, what they average. You have to average it. You

2094
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 1: average points, you average yards, you average Okay, So then

2095
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: but it's not on it's on its own sliding scale.

2096
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: I don't know why that matters. It's on its own scale.

2097
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: Zero is zero, it's the average. So you either above zero,

2098
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 2: you're below's eero.

2099
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:03,800
Speaker 3: Or what dictates how much you're above zero? If you

2100
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,599
Speaker 3: gain two yards above the average, but you're not plus two.

2101
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 2: Because it takes into account the fact that just because

2102
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 2: you gain if you're if let's go back to four

2103
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 2: being the average, just because you gain six yards, that

2104
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 2: in the grand scheme, that's like only like a faction

2105
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 2: of the actual like impact of this.

2106
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: So what dictates how much of a fraction it is?

2107
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 2: The situation? What is it in the game? What is

2108
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 2: a down like third downs obviously gonna have more weight,

2109
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 2: a turnover, a touchdown is gonna have well soot.

2110
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 3: So that sounds like it would. What about a team

2111
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,240
Speaker 3: that nickels and dimes its way down the field?

2112
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would technically speaking, like they wouldn't be super

2113
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 2: super high. That doesn't mean that they couldn't be top

2114
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 2: ten or something like that, but compared to but if.

2115
01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:53,760
Speaker 3: You have a team that dam nickels and dimes its

2116
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 3: way down the field, so it doesn't leave room for

2117
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 3: that like the the early Brady Patriots, right versus those

2118
01:39:00,920 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 3: Manning's Colts teams, who would have had a better EPAE

2119
01:39:06,040 --> 01:39:06,639
Speaker 3: more games.

2120
01:39:06,760 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 2: It's a good question. I don't drink those.

2121
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: Those Patriots teams are not hunting explosive plays.

2122
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,599
Speaker 2: I don't think we those Colts teams were. But like

2123
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,240
Speaker 2: you're you're caught. You're so caught up.

2124
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:18,240
Speaker 3: You can't go back that far because now this number

2125
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 3: is informing or it doesn't go back for far because

2126
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:22,680
Speaker 3: the number is now informing decisions and the preferences and

2127
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 3: what you value has been changed.

2128
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 2: No, you can't go back that far because we just

2129
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: haven't had a nerd that's taken the time to go.

2130
01:39:28,120 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: Back that far. Somebody should. I'd be curious.

2131
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 2: I think I want to see, say, we go back

2132
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 2: pretty far.

2133
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 3: It goes back to like two thousand and six. Actually,

2134
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 3: I feel like I remember seeing.

2135
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 2: This, but it's not. It's not two thousand and three. Like,

2136
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: I don't think we can go here. I'll pull it

2137
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 2: up for you. Oh this one. Actually, this database actually

2138
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 2: goes back to nineteen ninety nine.

2139
01:39:46,920 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: Interesting.

2140
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 2: If you want to have the exact the exact number

2141
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 2: for you here, I'll pull it up for you live

2142
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,799
Speaker 2: on the show. This is great Radio I know everybody's

2143
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Speaker 2: super into this right now, but like when I hear this,

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Speaker 2: it's stat EPA talked about on your station, and people

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Speaker 2: like you. You guys get so caught up in the

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Speaker 2: word expected, like it just stands out to you, like

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Speaker 2: it's like stabbing you in the because which.

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Speaker 3: So great about sports is it's unexpected. It's not quantifiable.

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01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 3: There are unexpected things. You don't show up to watch.

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01:40:22,240 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 3: What's expected. You show up to a sporting event.

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Speaker 2: Nobody effect watch the game.

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Speaker 1: We are trying to quantify, but but it's being told, well, you,

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Speaker 1: I know you think you saw this, but the numbers

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Speaker 1: actually say you saw that. I know what I saw.

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01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:39,560
Speaker 2: Because you're smarter than everybody else. The two thousand and

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01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 2: three Patriots were sixteenth in EPA, middle of the pack.

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01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: What year two thousand and three? The two thousand and

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Speaker 2: four Patriots. Let's see, I'm trying to use my finger here.

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Speaker 2: It's not as easy as I was wanting it to be.

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Speaker 2: The two thousand and four Patriots is I think we're

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Speaker 2: a little bit better offensively than two thousand.

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01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 1: And three were sixth?

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01:40:59,240 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 2: So good team?

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Speaker 1: What were the peyton Man and Colts?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Like off the charts first, right, Okay, so, but but.

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Speaker 2: The payment a better offense?

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Speaker 1: Who was in the Super But they were better offense?

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01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:09,559
Speaker 1: Who was in the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 2: But what do you mean who this was? It's a

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01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,880
Speaker 2: whole other side of the ball. Like the Patriots defense

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01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,200
Speaker 2: was much better. Like if you look at the Patriots

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01:41:17,240 --> 01:41:19,240
Speaker 2: defense in two thousand and four, I'm sure that they're very,

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Speaker 2: very good in e PA. They were seventh in e

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01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 2: PA on defense that year. Baltimore was number one. So

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01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:28,920
Speaker 2: like you can't just say who's in the Super Bowl,

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01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 2: like there's two other there's a whole nother phase of

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Speaker 2: the game. Like that is we're just measuring offense, Like

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01:41:34,240 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven Patriots are the number one

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01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 2: team in DVA in the history of d v A.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that sounds right.

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Speaker 2: So like I digress, the caller got us on this

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01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 2: on this tangent, all right, so don't blame us. Aldred

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Speaker 2: is uh? Is this Eldred Aldrid? What's up? Aldred? Yes

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Speaker 2: it is?

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Speaker 7: Hey man, I love here better than But my question

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01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 7: is there's the offensive line. And then this rumored that

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01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:08,640
Speaker 7: keeps going around about Triberdahl coming to the page. I

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01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 7: might do every player Rubert to coming to us no

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01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 7: matter what and what we're doing. Tribadau they got for

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Speaker 7: the for the Giant. Did he drafted a couple of

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Speaker 7: years ago because they got I do Carter they got?

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Speaker 1: And oh the defensive line. I was thinking on offense?

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Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, yeah, deepenive line.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So did y'all hear that rumor?

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Speaker 7: Do y'all think it's just a rumor or possibility?

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Speaker 9: According to Pat Chat, that what they're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Nice, Thanks for the call, Eldrid.

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Speaker 11: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so Keevon Thibodeau in New York? I did did

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Speaker 2: they give him a contract or not? I always get

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Speaker 2: this confused. I'm sorry, I don't think they gave him

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Speaker 2: a contract yet.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He's recently drafted in the first round, hasn't fully lived

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01:42:57,320 --> 01:43:00,479
Speaker 2: up to it. They now have Abdua Carter they just afted,

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01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 2: and uh they have Brian Burns who they traded for.

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Speaker 2: So they have three three starting edge rushers essentially on

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Speaker 2: the team. Kvon Thibodeau, I want to say, is still

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01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:11,080
Speaker 2: on his rookie contract.

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Speaker 7: He is.

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01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,759
Speaker 1: Uh, they picked up his fifth year option.

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01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 2: So in theory, he's tradable like he's a possible trade candidate.

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01:43:19,120 --> 01:43:20,519
Speaker 2: They picked up his fifth year option.

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01:43:20,680 --> 01:43:23,439
Speaker 1: He's going into the year he's cold strangest draft, so he's.

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Speaker 2: He's going into his fourth year, so he has two

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01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,639
Speaker 2: more years of keeping control most of the time this year.

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Speaker 2: It would be really next offseason that they would probably

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01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 2: trade him, but it's an option. You know, he's definitely

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01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 2: more of a hybrid edge Like he's definitely more of

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Speaker 2: a hand up, pan down kind of edge defender, you know,

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01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 2: doing a little bit of both and really outside the

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01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 2: tackle type of player longer, if I'm not mistaken, you know,

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01:43:49,160 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: kind of one of those types of builds, has a

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01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,880
Speaker 2: lot of traits. Never really put it together in college

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01:43:53,960 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 2: or the pros though, Like he's never been a huge producer.

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Speaker 2: He's always just been kind of a trade based type

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Speaker 2: of player. I didn't hate it, Like he needs somebody

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01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,360
Speaker 2: young and somebody developmental at that spot. I think we're

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Speaker 2: both in the camp of probably drafting looking at that

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Speaker 2: spot as a draftable thing coming up here. So I

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01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 2: wouldn't hate them them being in on that. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: not giving up any the farm for him, but I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Hate he's available. They should make the call, But I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't expect anything to be imminent there.

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Speaker 3: I also think it's you know, you want the Giants

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01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,519
Speaker 3: of all teams should know the value in having a

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Speaker 3: deep pass rush, and three starting caliber players at that

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Speaker 3: position is not necessarily a problem.

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Speaker 2: It does help that Abdull Carter is so versatile like

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01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Abdul Carter can play in line, he can play off

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01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,800
Speaker 2: the ball, he can play on the edge Michael Parsons type,

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01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 2: so that does help. He's not as long as I remember,

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Speaker 2: six four two fifty four thirty three eighth inch arms,

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Speaker 2: so a little bit shorter, you know, a little bit

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Speaker 2: more chiseled. They're cut off than I thought. But good athlete,

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01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 2: good traits. Just hasn't really put it all together with

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Speaker 2: the Giants. I'd say, like on the radar, like somebody

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Speaker 2: that I if he does come available more aggressively, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't be if they made that trade. I wouldn't hate it.

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Speaker 2: Depending on the return.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, yeah, I mean he's a good player. Wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: against some ada him. I just don't think the Giants

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Speaker 3: are going to be in a rush to give him up.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ron is in Alabama? What's up? Ron?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'd likely on air.

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Speaker 2: Great, Yes, yes you are.

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Speaker 8: So.

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Speaker 5: I have a statement. I think we all can agree

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Speaker 5: that the quarterback is better than in twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: The weapons are better than we haven't we had in

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one. The difference now is, you know, we

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Speaker 5: had Josh McDaniel, but I don't know the difference in

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Speaker 5: the offensive line. Can you go over kind of the

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Speaker 5: offensive line in twenty twenty one that how that affected

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Speaker 5: that season to go into what nine or ten wins

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Speaker 5: with mag John's Yeah, and maybe let me talk about

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Speaker 5: that a little bit and I'll get off there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, thank Ron, Thanks thanks for the call. McDaniels

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01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 2: was here in twenty one two, but that's that's yeah,

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Speaker 2: not here nor there.

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Speaker 3: So they had it was David Andrews at center, Shack

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Speaker 3: Mason at guard, Ted Carris left guard, had left guard

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Speaker 3: Isaiah went at one tackle and then the other tackle rotated.

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Speaker 1: Trent Brown played.

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Speaker 3: Ten games and then wait, hang on, David, I'm just

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01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 3: I sorted by snaps on PFF to make sure I

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01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 3: got the right group. David Andrews started every game at center.

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01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 3: Shaq Mason played sixteen at guard at right guard. Yeah,

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01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 3: so I'll help you out okay, Andrew Shack and Ted

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01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 3: Carris was the interior. Isaiah Win played one guard, but oh,

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Speaker 3: I should be going by snaps. Left tackle was Isaiah Win,

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01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 3: left guard, left guard was ten Ted Carris with some

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01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:50,400
Speaker 3: Mike and when who center was David Andrews Brown? Yeah,

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01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,840
Speaker 3: well Trent Brown and Mike and when who kind of

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01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 3: split at right tackle?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So what I remember of that line because I

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01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:02,639
Speaker 2: was a big teddy cave still am on When who

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01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 2: started the season at right guard or left guard? Excuse me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:47:06,640 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 2: And it did not go well. He did not play

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01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 2: very particularly well left guard, but there was obviously after

2295
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:14,000
Speaker 2: his rookie season there was just a ton of hope

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01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 2: and everyone figured he had a bright future. So they

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01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,640
Speaker 2: played him at left guard, and it was semi controversial

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01:47:20,840 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 2: that Ted Carris replaced him in the starting lineup at

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Speaker 2: left guard. But for whatever reason, first six to eight

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01:47:28,479 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 2: games of the season in twenty twenty one, it was

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01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 2: a little bit rocky, you know, when it wasn't playing

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Speaker 2: particularly well, Win had his issues. Right tackle was not

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01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 2: solidified necessarily either, with you know, a little bit on Winny,

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01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: a little bit of Brown, and then they put Ted

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Speaker 2: Carriss in the starting lineup at left guard, and for

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01:47:46,600 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 2: whatever reason, it kind of all came together from there

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01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,839
Speaker 2: and they were pretty solid for most of that season

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Speaker 2: on the offensive line. Now, they had Carmen Brisilla was

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Speaker 2: the offensive line coach, good offensive line coach, Josh McDaniels

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01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:03,759
Speaker 2: was the offensive coordinator, good offensive coordinator. But Ted Carris

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01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 2: Man he came in and he really like steadied that ship.

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01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 2: Their line was kind of projecting more closer to what

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01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:12,960
Speaker 2: we saw and like maybe not quite twenty three, twenty

2314
01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:16,680
Speaker 2: four bad, but like twenty two rough, you know, that

2315
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 2: sort of projection, And then they ended up studying out

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01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 2: and ranking pretty well for the entire season I want

2317
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 2: to see say, and a big part of that was

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Speaker 2: Ted Carris So compared to now, it's hard to say

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01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 2: because they haven't played any games obviously now, but compared

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01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 2: to now, I would say that that line was more experienced.

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Speaker 2: You know, you had Andrews Mason. Carris was more of

2322
01:48:43,520 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 2: a veteran player at that point. Trent Brown certainly was,

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01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,000
Speaker 2: but I don't know if the talent level was all

2324
01:48:49,120 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 2: that different. You had a young tackle, just like they

2325
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 2: have a young tackle at left tackle now, and you

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01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:59,840
Speaker 2: had you know, maybe Morgan Moses was a little bit

2327
01:48:59,880 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 2: more of a name brand than Trent Brown was at

2328
01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 2: the time, but Brown had the eighteen season with the Pats.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think the town level is about

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01:49:06,640 --> 01:49:08,479
Speaker 2: the same as it was in twenty one.

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01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:12,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a little more charity in twenty twenty one. Right,

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01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 3: You're gonna have at least one, if not two rookies

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01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 3: starting this year, so there's unknowns that come with that,

2334
01:49:17,120 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 3: but the overall talent level, I'd agrees about the same.

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Speaker 2: So they've ended up finishing that season eleventh in pass

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01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: block win rates, so pretty good. Eleventh and pass block

2337
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 2: win rate, and sixteenth in run blocking win rate. So

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01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 2: if they get if that's this year, I'd great, golden.

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01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 1: I would make that's middle pack. That's average.

2340
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 3: I would take an average offensive line, like they still

2341
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,600
Speaker 3: need to be better long term, but we knew they

2342
01:49:41,640 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 3: weren't going to fix everything with the offensive line this year.

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01:49:43,800 --> 01:49:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2344
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that line ended up being pretty solid in twenty one. Yeah,

2345
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:48,920
Speaker 2: it ended up that.

2346
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 3: I'd be curious what those numbers are and I don't know.

2347
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 3: I don't think you can filter it this way, but

2348
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,760
Speaker 3: like just second half of the year, one's cares, yeah,

2349
01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:56,639
Speaker 3: because they probably a top ten line in football.

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01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:57,479
Speaker 1: Ones Carris came out.

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01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,600
Speaker 2: It was a it was a weird thing. And sometimes

2352
01:49:59,640 --> 01:50:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, you just talk about like the mixes of

2353
01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:04,800
Speaker 2: offensive lines a five man unit, right, and for some

2354
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:08,760
Speaker 2: reason that mix just worked better. For whatever reason it was,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but it just did. Mark is in Connecticut.

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01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:12,360
Speaker 2: What's up?

2357
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:12,599
Speaker 1: Mark?

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01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 12: Hey guys, how are you doing today?

2359
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 10: You guys staying cool?

2360
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:17,160
Speaker 1: Yes, trying.

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01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:22,000
Speaker 12: So I think I have a good question for you guys.

2362
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:24,160
Speaker 12: And I mean no disrespect to the players, because I

2363
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 12: love the players, but eighteen week season, if we go

2364
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 12: to that, why do we need to add another bye week?

2365
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 12: I mean, they only play once a week, you know,

2366
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:36,479
Speaker 12: it's not like you know, we're talking baseball where they

2367
01:50:36,520 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 12: play almost every day. Same thing with basketball, you know,

2368
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 12: other sports like that. So I just have that kind

2369
01:50:42,080 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 12: of question why we needed to think that we need

2370
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 12: an extra bye week if we do go to an

2371
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 12: eighteen week season. And love you guys, Hope you guys

2372
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:50,599
Speaker 12: have a great rest of the week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Mark. So, I think it's twofold one. It just

2374
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 2: says we don't play obviously, right, But just as people

2375
01:50:56,479 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 2: that work in it, were at least close enough to

2376
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:00,479
Speaker 2: it to understand it's grind.

2377
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:03,519
Speaker 1: It's a long grind to ride for them. We could

2378
01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 1: get by with our second bye, of course, but like

2379
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:09,160
Speaker 1: it's a long grind. Just witnessing it yea, like almost

2380
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,360
Speaker 1: as like a first hand account. We're around it, we

2381
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:14,200
Speaker 1: see it physically. It's it's extremely taxing.

2382
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 2: The Patriots the last couple of years have had really

2383
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 2: late bye weeks, and it's long. It's a haul because

2384
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 2: when you really think about it, like we were talking

2385
01:51:21,680 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 2: about earlier about the whole offseason, like they start at

2386
01:51:25,439 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 2: the end of July, and if you don't have a

2387
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 2: buy until week fourteen, there's really no break from like

2388
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:33,559
Speaker 2: August to that buy, just.

2389
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:34,839
Speaker 1: Sort of that one weekend.

2390
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:36,960
Speaker 3: But that one weekend is roster cuts, so you're not

2391
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 3: exactly relaxed.

2392
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a grind. That's one thing. It's totally

2393
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:45,600
Speaker 2: fair to categorize it as that.

2394
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2395
01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 2: The other thing I would say is that the league

2396
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 2: is going to have to give up a little something

2397
01:51:52,240 --> 01:51:55,800
Speaker 2: to get something here. And if that's the concession, we

2398
01:51:55,880 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 2: get a full another week of games and we get

2399
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 2: all of that payout, then the players are gonna want

2400
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 2: something in return. Now they're not gonna get out a

2401
01:52:04,840 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 2: lot because it's the NFLPA notoriously gets real role.

2402
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:11,519
Speaker 3: I also think it's just good for the league to

2403
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:12,639
Speaker 3: have a second bye week.

2404
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that's just for the players.

2405
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,519
Speaker 3: You've been harping on the NBA calendar being too long

2406
01:52:16,560 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 3: because all these players are getting hurt.

2407
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:22,000
Speaker 2: It's not at all a green team or take. It

2408
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the Celtics injuries.

2409
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 3: Fair but well you were saying it after Halburn. But no,

2410
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 3: but like you don't want guys getting hurt. That's bad

2411
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 3: for the league. If guys are getting hurt, so another

2412
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 3: week to recover and rest. They didn't add a bye

2413
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 3: week when they went fourteen to sixteen games. They didn't

2414
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:41,200
Speaker 3: add a bye week when they went sixteen to seventeen,

2415
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:45,759
Speaker 3: so the one bye week was designed for fourteen weeks.

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01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:49,479
Speaker 3: You've now almost added like another third onto that.

2417
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2418
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:54,519
Speaker 3: So yeah, having another week to rest and recover, it's

2419
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,400
Speaker 3: not just about the players wanting that so they can

2420
01:52:56,400 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 3: go on vacation. I think would benefit the league because

2421
01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 3: with the longer season, you're gonna have more injuries. You

2422
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,800
Speaker 3: don't want that give these guys an extra week to

2423
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 3: rest up in the season and get right. That's the

2424
01:53:09,040 --> 01:53:10,920
Speaker 3: main reason. If I'm the league, I want a second

2425
01:53:10,920 --> 01:53:11,320
Speaker 3: bye week.

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01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 2: That's a great point. And it's not like it's a

2427
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 2: to have the best product out on the field.

2428
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:18,280
Speaker 3: And you know what a second bye week also gives you.

2429
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 3: So if you go to eighteen games, right, and you

2430
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:22,839
Speaker 3: have one bye week, you have nineteen weeks.

2431
01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:24,679
Speaker 1: You know what happens. If you go to eighteen games

2432
01:53:24,680 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 1: and two bye weeks, you have twenty weeks. That's a

2433
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 1: whole other week. You can sell ads and sell tickets

2434
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,920
Speaker 1: and you're getting talked about NonStop on TV and radio

2435
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 1: in the internet, like, of course the league wants another week.

2436
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 1: Of course they do. That should be the biggest win win.

2437
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:43,160
Speaker 3: A second bye week with eighteen games twenty weeks is

2438
01:53:43,160 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 3: a win for the players, it's a win for the league.

2439
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 3: There is zero reason for that not to happen, zero

2440
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 3: reason for it. And if you do that, you can

2441
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 3: probably go back to the bye week after the international game,

2442
01:53:53,200 --> 01:53:55,439
Speaker 3: which means you can schedule more international games, which is

2443
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:57,240
Speaker 3: not good for the players, but something that the league

2444
01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 3: can do that they want to do.

2445
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 2: It's all good points all right, Tim is in Boston.

2446
01:54:01,160 --> 01:54:02,240
Speaker 2: What's up? Tim?

2447
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I'm not trying to claim any authority on

2448
01:54:06,040 --> 01:54:08,120
Speaker 4: the matter, but like, as part of my job, I

2449
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:11,400
Speaker 4: build and interpret like a lot of analytical models. I

2450
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:12,880
Speaker 4: have a degree in math and data science, so I

2451
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:16,840
Speaker 4: wanted to weigh in on this analytics debate. Models are

2452
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:19,880
Speaker 4: really good at like pattern detection, determining correlation, and I

2453
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 4: think Alex you had a really good example. Like if

2454
01:54:22,160 --> 01:54:24,599
Speaker 4: a model says that this corner has a really bad

2455
01:54:24,680 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 4: EPA against twin targeted on goballs, Like that's a fact,

2456
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 4: that's indisputable, that's correlation. But what it doesn't tell you

2457
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,280
Speaker 4: is the causation. Like you can't claim that the performance

2458
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 4: is bad because it's goballs. You know, if you just

2459
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 4: went against your marchase and justin Jefferson, that's the cause,

2460
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 4: that's the causation. But the model can't tell you that.

2461
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:44,640
Speaker 4: So like if Drake May has a ten percent higher

2462
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,360
Speaker 4: completion percentage when he wears blue socks rather than white,

2463
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:50,320
Speaker 4: no analyst is going to claim that it's because of

2464
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 4: the socks and just you know, put them in blue

2465
01:54:52,040 --> 01:54:54,200
Speaker 4: sox the whole time. Like the models can give you

2466
01:54:54,240 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 4: that correlation, but any analyst worth their salt knows you

2467
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:59,520
Speaker 4: have to go and check for causation. And that's not

2468
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 4: something i'm models can provide to you.

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01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point, Tim and Dad, thanks for

2470
01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 2: the call. This is a difference between somebody like me

2471
01:55:06,920 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 2: who just digests the stats and people like Tim who

2472
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:10,520
Speaker 2: actually creates status.

2473
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:11,840
Speaker 1: Well so, and this has been my case.

2474
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:16,080
Speaker 3: I think this maybe the take that I have has

2475
01:55:16,160 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 3: kind of been skewed. It's I understand there are people

2476
01:55:18,920 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 3: using it correctly. I think a lot of people are

2477
01:55:21,400 --> 01:55:24,000
Speaker 3: using correctly are behind closed doors because it's a lot

2478
01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:25,680
Speaker 3: easier to use correctly when you don't have to generate

2479
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 3: a take out of it.

2480
01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,480
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who if.

2481
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 3: You're using it and you also know football, fine, I

2482
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 3: think there are people who use it in place.

2483
01:55:34,240 --> 01:55:36,080
Speaker 1: Of knowing football, and that's what bothers me.

2484
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:39,360
Speaker 2: Fair enough, all right, one last email here, and I

2485
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 2: like this.

2486
01:55:40,200 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 3: I love the socks example. There's some like famous baseball

2487
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:47,480
Speaker 3: one where this one player was like elite.

2488
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what it was. It's like a

2489
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 1: while ago. This one player was like unbelievable.

2490
01:55:51,640 --> 01:55:54,720
Speaker 3: On Tuesdays, he was like elite on Tuesdays, and so

2491
01:55:55,160 --> 01:55:56,840
Speaker 3: there was like this whole push battom clean up on

2492
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,360
Speaker 3: Tuesdays and it was just like it just for whatever

2493
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 3: reason that day they kept facing sucky pitching.

2494
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 2: There you go, all right, this is from Dylan. He

2495
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 2: emails and he says, Evan, I'm with you. I don't

2496
01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 2: care about all the Patriots, Bulls, Yankees fans kick rocks.

2497
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 2: As a Boston sports fan, the Celtics are all I

2498
01:56:13,080 --> 01:56:16,240
Speaker 2: want to talk about right now. Hater's gonna hate my

2499
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:19,160
Speaker 2: very underrated not going to happen move going forward. Is

2500
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,880
Speaker 2: Stefan Castle a great two way player that will fit

2501
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 2: into the Celtics system and the Spurs are looking to

2502
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 2: have one too many shooting guards. Also, the backcourt would

2503
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 2: be called white Castle. It doesn't get better than that.

2504
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:32,600
Speaker 2: I do like that. So Stefan Castle. We've seen that

2505
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:35,240
Speaker 2: American Stefan go to White Castle. We've seen that trade

2506
01:56:35,240 --> 01:56:38,840
Speaker 2: proposal out there. But unfortunately the trade proposal is something

2507
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:40,880
Speaker 2: that to me as a Celtics fan, is off the table,

2508
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 2: which is trading Jalen Brown. It's Jalen Brown for the

2509
01:56:43,920 --> 01:56:46,680
Speaker 2: number two overall pick in Stefan Castle and some other

2510
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:50,840
Speaker 2: pieces from San Antonio coming back to Boston, but our

2511
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 2: takes on the Celtics move.

2512
01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 3: We'll give you this a little update here that I

2513
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 3: think you're gonna be disappointed. By God, it's not trading

2514
01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown. I guess Sham said on McAfee that I.

2515
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 2: Don't I'm gonna I'm gonna fight with Shams right now.

2516
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,640
Speaker 3: The Celtics may look to flip Anthony Simons.

2517
01:57:05,680 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so that makes sense.

2518
01:57:07,040 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 3: I know you like Simons. I like Simons. I also

2519
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:10,040
Speaker 3: wouldn't hate if they flip them.

2520
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 2: But I have a I have a beef with Shams

2521
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 2: And this isn't where I wanted to go with this,

2522
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 2: but is where we're going.

2523
01:57:15,400 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 1: No, we say we're gonna do draft talk. You have

2524
01:57:16,920 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 1: to make this quick. I have a beef with Shams.

2525
01:57:19,880 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 1: I understand.

2526
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,880
Speaker 2: I understand that you are trying to sell, just like

2527
01:57:23,920 --> 01:57:27,360
Speaker 2: we're trying to sell this show. You're trying to stir

2528
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 2: up drama. We don't do that, but that's what you're

2529
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 2: trying to do. And I get it. You get paid

2530
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:35,000
Speaker 2: to do that. When you say that the Celtics are

2531
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:39,520
Speaker 2: taking calls on all players and you don't put names

2532
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:43,560
Speaker 2: to the players. That they're taking calls on That is infuriating,

2533
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:46,880
Speaker 2: Like are they actually seriously taking calls on Jalen Brown

2534
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:49,200
Speaker 2: and Derek White or not? Well, but tell me that

2535
01:57:49,360 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 2: we don't sit there and tell me yesterday before Porzingis

2536
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 2: gets Dell that they're listening to calls on all their

2537
01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:58,960
Speaker 2: players when we all know that Porzingis is getting traded,

2538
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,920
Speaker 2: Just say it's porzing They're trade and trade Porzingis. No,

2539
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:04,160
Speaker 2: but we do this all the time in football, where

2540
01:58:04,200 --> 01:58:06,560
Speaker 2: like you know, the team's taking calls on this player,

2541
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:08,720
Speaker 2: but they're never really going to trade them.

2542
01:58:08,720 --> 01:58:10,760
Speaker 1: They're just looking to see if somebody. It's really stupid.

2543
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:15,360
Speaker 1: I would want them taking calls on on Jays calling off.

2544
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: Don't give it? What if the Nuggets calling off for Yoka?

2545
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 2: Don't give the take? If you're not going to put

2546
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:21,440
Speaker 2: a name to it, because all you're doing well isn't

2547
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:23,640
Speaker 2: all play. You're just driving us all.

2548
01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:26,400
Speaker 3: This is a weird take from you. All players implies

2549
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,080
Speaker 3: all players. Why do you need a name? It's ever

2550
01:58:28,160 --> 01:58:29,600
Speaker 3: you want them to list the entire roster?

2551
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:31,400
Speaker 2: No, because my I don't.

2552
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:32,720
Speaker 1: It's all players. It's all players.

2553
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:35,440
Speaker 2: Because I don't think the Celtics are in any serious

2554
01:58:35,480 --> 01:58:37,240
Speaker 2: way considering trading.

2555
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,480
Speaker 1: So you just think you lied. Basically.

2556
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,160
Speaker 2: I don't think he lied. I think that he's stretching

2557
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:44,040
Speaker 2: the truth to strum up drama because it's more interesting

2558
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:45,440
Speaker 2: for the show and more interesting.

2559
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 3: They're taking calls on all players. They're taking calls on

2560
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:50,320
Speaker 3: all players. He doesn't say how seriously they're taking those calls.

2561
01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:52,680
Speaker 2: I think that it's we're telling half true.

2562
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 1: We say this all the time the phone and there.

2563
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 2: You might hang up that lass. But there's a huge

2564
01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:00,560
Speaker 2: difference between taking calls on Sam hows Er and taking

2565
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:04,400
Speaker 2: calls on Jalen Brown. So you had as as an insider,

2566
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 2: I need to know what we're talking. Who were we

2567
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:07,800
Speaker 2: talking about here?

2568
01:59:08,200 --> 01:59:10,760
Speaker 3: Like, I think it's right, but we did considered overall

2569
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Speaker 3: pick we did this a third overall pick two years ago.

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01:59:13,120 --> 01:59:15,680
Speaker 3: You take the call. If somebody's gonna get dumb, you

2571
01:59:15,720 --> 01:59:18,480
Speaker 3: take the call. You might laugh and hang up, but

2572
01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:19,400
Speaker 3: you take the call.

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01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 1: So that's just being a good gave and Brad Stevens

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01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:23,040
Speaker 1: a good GM.

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01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 2: On the moves they've actually made really quickly with Porzingis

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01:59:26,440 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 2: and Drew Holliday a necessary evil. Now I'm not sitting

2577
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:31,920
Speaker 2: here to tell you that it's a good thing for

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01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:33,680
Speaker 2: this cell, except they had to make these moves. They

2579
01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:35,480
Speaker 2: got worse that we all know that, and they had

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01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:36,840
Speaker 2: to do it. But at the same time, they had

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01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:38,520
Speaker 2: to do it. And I think, what the one big

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01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:39,880
Speaker 2: thing that needs to be said, because I think a

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01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 2: lot of people are chogging this up to just a

2584
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:45,960
Speaker 2: taxpayer savers, you know, saving money on the repeater tax,

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01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,840
Speaker 2: and it's more money in Bill Chisholm's pocket. That No,

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01:59:49,000 --> 01:59:52,200
Speaker 2: the restrictions of the second Apron on what you can

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01:59:52,240 --> 01:59:54,640
Speaker 2: do from a roster building standpoint are substanct.

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01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:58,480
Speaker 3: They actually limit your ability to assign free agents, what

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01:59:58,520 --> 01:59:59,280
Speaker 3: you can do in trades.

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01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,200
Speaker 1: It's like it actually it's not raft.

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02:00:01,400 --> 02:00:02,320
Speaker 2: It freezes your draft.

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02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:04,240
Speaker 1: It freezes your draft PA, which is huge.

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02:00:04,520 --> 02:00:07,360
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that getting out of the second Apron

2594
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 2: does is it allows you to aggregate salaries and trades,

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02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 2: which is extremely important because now you can trade in

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02:00:14,600 --> 02:00:17,600
Speaker 2: theory three players for one player. Right, So now it

2597
02:00:17,640 --> 02:00:20,880
Speaker 2: puts the Celtics back into those conversations to trade for

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02:00:20,920 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 2: a star, which they could not do before unless they

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02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,520
Speaker 2: match the salary one in one out. So essentially you

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02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:28,440
Speaker 2: would have had to have traded. I'm not saying they're

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02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:30,280
Speaker 2: going to trade for him. Let's say Yanni says I

2602
02:00:30,320 --> 02:00:32,440
Speaker 2: want to come to Boston and that that he just

2603
02:00:33,200 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 2: get me to the Celtics. That's his mindset. You would

2604
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:38,520
Speaker 2: have had to have traded Jalen Brown or Jason Tatum

2605
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:40,840
Speaker 2: for Giannis because you only could be one in, one out.

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02:00:41,200 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 2: Now you could aggregate salaries, So Anthony Simmons, who's making

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02:00:44,760 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 2: twenty seven million on an expiring contract, you could put

2608
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:51,600
Speaker 2: him and Yang and Houser and package all these players

2609
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:54,680
Speaker 2: together to get to the sixty million that Yannis is owed.

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02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:57,280
Speaker 2: When you're over the second apron, you couldn't do that.

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02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 2: So in theory, this puts the Celtics back in play

2612
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 2: to make major moves, and that's where they need it

2613
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:03,200
Speaker 2: to be.

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02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 1: What do you want to see him do in the

2615
02:01:04,280 --> 02:01:04,760
Speaker 1: draft tonight.

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02:01:05,720 --> 02:01:07,480
Speaker 2: I know that there's rumors that they might move up

2617
02:01:07,520 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 2: into the lottery. I don't think they're gonna be able

2618
02:01:09,400 --> 02:01:09,960
Speaker 2: to get up there.

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02:01:10,040 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 3: If you could flip Houser to get into the late lottery,

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Speaker 3: I would do that.

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02:01:13,400 --> 02:01:15,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would do it too. They have those two picks.

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02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,680
Speaker 3: Or Simons if you could flip because those guys to me,

2623
02:01:17,720 --> 02:01:20,000
Speaker 3: are redundant. I know they play different positions, but that's

2624
02:01:20,040 --> 02:01:24,440
Speaker 3: your bench spark shooter guy, right, not a lot of defense,

2625
02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:26,320
Speaker 3: but it's gonna put the ball in the basket if

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02:01:26,360 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 3: you can flip one of those guys to get into

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02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:31,360
Speaker 3: the mid lottery and ideally at a big which is

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02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:33,520
Speaker 3: what I would like to see them do, especially if

2629
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:35,440
Speaker 3: we don't know what Luke Cornett's future is. That's what

2630
02:01:35,480 --> 02:01:38,680
Speaker 3: I want. I don't like Ryan Kulkbrenner, I don't like Creighton.

2631
02:01:39,480 --> 02:01:41,560
Speaker 3: He makes a lot.

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02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:43,720
Speaker 1: Of sense for the Celtics. I'd probably come around.

2633
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:46,400
Speaker 2: They also need a wing because Tatum is not coming

2634
02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:49,320
Speaker 2: back this season, I don't think, and they're gonna need

2635
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:50,360
Speaker 2: depth at that pick I want.

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02:01:50,440 --> 02:01:52,640
Speaker 3: I don't want them to have this narrow focus. We've

2637
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:55,120
Speaker 3: talked about this, like the Brady off when Brady towards

2638
02:01:55,160 --> 02:01:56,960
Speaker 3: Ac and they kind of set around him. I don't

2639
02:01:56,960 --> 02:01:59,560
Speaker 3: want them to have this narrow focus. Though, of these

2640
02:01:59,600 --> 02:02:01,720
Speaker 3: are the movie we need to make to plan without Tatum.

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02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:03,960
Speaker 3: I want them to bring guys in that when Tatum

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02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,600
Speaker 3: comes back, this guy's gonna compliment Tatum really well.

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02:02:06,640 --> 02:02:08,320
Speaker 1: I would honestly rather that be the preference.

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02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 3: I'd rather they build for twenty seven to twenty eight,

2645
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:12,360
Speaker 3: twenty nine to thirty than just twenty six. Well, that's

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02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 3: why I like Simons, because I think Simons is just

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02:02:14,600 --> 02:02:15,560
Speaker 3: Simons does both.

2648
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:19,000
Speaker 2: He's a volume scoer, he's a microwave, he's a bucket getter,

2649
02:02:19,240 --> 02:02:22,080
Speaker 2: and you just put him out there and this next

2650
02:02:22,120 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 2: season it makes them more watchable frankly as a fan,

2651
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 2: but also if he's around in the long term, he's

2652
02:02:27,400 --> 02:02:31,240
Speaker 2: another guy kind of like porzingis, who could just drop thirty.

2653
02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:34,120
Speaker 3: I think if you flip Houser right and move up

2654
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 3: in the draft, it would be, you know, Peyton Pritchard

2655
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 3: and Anthony Simons is your backcourt on your second unit? Yeah,

2656
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 3: that plays, that plays. That would be a lot of fun.

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02:02:47,480 --> 02:02:49,840
Speaker 2: Well that's your Celtics s mint. But I want to

2658
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,400
Speaker 2: stress because I see it a lot about that this

2659
02:02:52,440 --> 02:02:56,520
Speaker 2: is just about cutting taxpayer dollars, and I mean NBA taxpayer.

2660
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:59,280
Speaker 2: Do you think this is the second Aprons of death set?

2661
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:00,880
Speaker 3: Let me ask him to be in the second if

2662
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 3: we wrap it up, because I think there's a report

2663
02:03:02,520 --> 02:03:04,800
Speaker 3: sort of along these lines recently, like the NFL was

2664
02:03:04,840 --> 02:03:07,320
Speaker 3: looking at the NBA's salary cap structure.

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Speaker 2: It's a joke.

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02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:09,680
Speaker 1: Do you think it would ever come to the NFL?

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02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:11,600
Speaker 2: I hope not. I think that this is gonna ruin

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02:03:11,640 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 2: the NBA. I've had this take off the air with you.

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02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:15,760
Speaker 2: I know it's a Celtics homer take, but I really

2670
02:03:15,800 --> 02:03:18,280
Speaker 2: strongly believe it. I think the Apron system is going

2671
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 2: to ruin the NBA. I think it's horrible for the league.

2672
02:03:21,320 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 2: I understand that you're trying to make all thirty teams

2673
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:26,840
Speaker 2: relevant and spread the talent around, but what I think

2674
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 2: you're doing is you're actually going to dilute the entire product. Yeah,

2675
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Speaker 2: because you're not gonna have any great teams anymore. Everybody's

2676
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:37,600
Speaker 2: just gonna kind of be no offense. Indiana and Oklahoma City,

2677
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 2: who I think Oklahoma City is probably closer to that

2678
02:03:40,480 --> 02:03:43,120
Speaker 2: great enchelon. Maybe they get there eventually, but I think

2679
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Speaker 2: you're just gonna have a lot of like good, not

2680
02:03:45,600 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 2: great across the league. And I would much rather watch

2681
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 2: heavyweights than watch that. So I think that's gonna be

2682
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