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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Chuck here, take me to your leader. Other

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Speaker 1: things ets might say, Happy Saturday. This episode is called

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Speaker 1: how Area fifty one Works. It's from June thirteenth, twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we get into it. We chop it up,

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Speaker 1: as they say, all about Area fifty one.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and

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Speaker 3: there's Charles w Chuck Brian over there, and there's Dylan

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Speaker 3: the guest producer again. And this is stop should Know,

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Speaker 3: the podcast about Chuck some pretty heady stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I could have sworn we did this one. No, what

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Speaker 1: do we do roswell no UFOs?

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Speaker 2: Yes we did that at a comic con or something, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah we did. We did it live. I've never been

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Speaker 3: satisfied with that one.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll redo it one day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is good, this Area fifty one.

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Speaker 1: I think this kind of covers some ground that I

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Speaker 1: didn't think I was surprised by.

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Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, And I think the thing that I

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Speaker 3: would wager you were surprised about, which I was definitely

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Speaker 3: surprised about was just how mundane the explanations for what

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Speaker 3: goes on at Area fifty one probably.

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Speaker 2: Is yeah, secret government research the end.

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Speaker 3: Right, but it probably doesn't have anything to do with

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Speaker 3: reverse engineering, alien technology and the secret seat of the

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Speaker 3: one World government, the Majestic twelve, probably isn't located there.

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Speaker 2: No, probably just bombs and planes.

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Speaker 3: Probably it makes sense. And if there is a conspiracy

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Speaker 3: going on, the one conspiracy theory I saw for Area

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Speaker 3: that it's actually meant to be a distraction or has

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Speaker 3: developed into a distraction for some other place that no

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Speaker 2: Knows about Area fifty Maybe, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe hopefully they're not quite that on the nose, but

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Speaker 3: it's possible.

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Speaker 2: All right. So let's go back in time, I guess.

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Speaker 1: To World War two, and well, first of all, Area

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Speaker 1: fifty one, just to geographically level set, it's less than

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Speaker 1: one hundred miles from Las Vegas in.

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Speaker 2: Nevada, South South Nevada.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's six hundred square miles and it's basically if

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Speaker 1: you look at it on Google Earth, it looks like

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Speaker 1: a you know, big airfield with a bunch of buildings.

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Speaker 3: So the I think the whole restricted airspace that's part

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Speaker 3: all of that stuff. Yeah, the Area fifty one is

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sure, just like the It's not like they're

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Speaker 3: Right, it's just what Yeah, the installation that people think

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Speaker 1: Next to Area fifty one is what's what you were

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Speaker 1: And this is where for about ten or eleven years,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you could see this from Vegas, Like they

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Speaker 3: But this is obviously a part of the country that

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Speaker 1: Like previous to this, it was just land. There were

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Speaker 2: And there was a big bombing range and they.

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Speaker 1: Were split into different numbers, and that's where the number

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Speaker 3: No, I think it was. If you look at old

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Speaker 1: So there's another part of this story. With World War two,

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Speaker 1: jet development. And in nineteen forty three, Lockheed said was

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Speaker 1: a British jet engine, and they tasked engineer Kelly Johnson said,

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Speaker 1: I've never been a plane guy, but I'm getting more

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Speaker 3: Is that right? Yeah, I want to do a stealth

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Kelly Johnson was just that right there. Delivering

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Speaker 3: And they I think Lockheed said, hey, how would you

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Speaker 3: And so Kelly Johnson and his team eventually became known

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kelly Johnson, CIA officer named Richard Bissel and a

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Speaker 3: the skunk Works team say this will do. Let's take

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Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you about one of the most

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Speaker 3: What wait, didn't were you arrested by Eric a Strada?

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Speaker 1: We did a car shoot on a dry like bed

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Speaker 1: perfect synchronicity, and the director wasn't happy, and they were like,

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Speaker 1: I was like me, yeah, oh man, it was so

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Speaker 1: No, it was fine. It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the last thing, Well, I was talking about how

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Speaker 3: amazingly perfect Area fifty one is for developing a super

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they called it Paradise Ranch, and the locals

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Speaker 2: Stuff, right right.

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Speaker 3: So, but in addition to that, the cover story initially

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were also natural barriers. There were a couple

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Speaker 1: three and nineteen fifty five, which basically extended the airspace

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Speaker 3: And that became Project ox Cart.

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Speaker 1: That's right, And that was a black project, and it

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Speaker 3: Yea, And apparently it was this Richard Bissell's idea.

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Speaker 3: Right. But in addition to that, chuck too, is just

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So ox Card eventually led to the SR seventy one Blackbird,

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Speaker 2: I know what a tongue depresser is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But the SR seventy one Blackbird definitely not a

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Speaker 1: So Oxcart they needed better infrastructure basically, and it was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another program at Wright Patterson Base in Dayton

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Speaker 1: Right, So, like I said, this made it just sort

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Speaker 2: Right and closed off to the public.

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Speaker 1: And this is where tinfoil hats used to gather with

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Speaker 2: And they said to no more. Freedom Ridge is now ours.

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Speaker 3: It's called get out of here Ridge. Yeah, shot on

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Speaker 3: So if you are like get to the aliens, what

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Speaker 3: And it happened on a broadcast in May of nineteen

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Speaker 1: His name, his real name was Bob Lazar, and he

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Speaker 1: Have you seen interviews with this guy?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Did you see the more recent one?

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Speaker 3: No, but the one where he said I think it

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Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about there was one just from a

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Speaker 2: No, it's I gotta say.

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Speaker 1: he's basically like, listen, man, I kind of wish this

444
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 1: wasn't attached to my name because I'm trying to run

445
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 1: a business in Michigan and it doesn't help that people

446
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: think I'm some ufo kook.

447
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 3: Bob Lazar is alien apples.

448
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: And he's.

449
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: Oh good, and he said, but he was like, you know,

450
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: everything that I told you was true, though, and that's

451
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 1: just the deal, you know, and I don't care if

452
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: anyone believes me.

453
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 3: He's kind of like that though too. In the early interviews,

454
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: at the very least, he's very calm and not at

455
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 3: all kookie or anything like that. It's specifically the stuff

456
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 3: he was talking about that was, yeah, so compelling.

457
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: So his story is then you can go watch this

459
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: stuff for yourself and see it all. But he basically

460
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: explains how he's an engineer and he was working on

461
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: reverse engineering flying saucers, essentially alien spacecraft and alien technology,

462
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: and at one point he was in a room and

463
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: they left him alone with all these files that describe

464
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: alien technology and alien autopsies and all of this stuff.

465
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: And it's pretty remarkable to listen to. It didn't make

466
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 1: the hugest waves because it was nineteen eighty nine. It

467
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: was a local news station at first, it didn't, yeah,

468
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: and then it was picked up by Japan oddly enough,

469
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: and after it went to Japan, it went kind of worldwide,

470
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: and before you know it, the whole area just sort

471
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: of became Alien Central.

472
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: And this is we should point out.

473
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: This also has a lot to do with the fact

474
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: that in the seventies and eighties did the United States

475
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: kind of went ufo nuts.

476
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, there are so many great books at

477
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: the time that were coming out that claimed everything from

478
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 3: like UFOs were responsible for the Muta Triangle, or Atlantis

479
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: was populated by UFOs, or the Nazca lines were for UFOs,

480
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 3: or the Egyptians built the Pyramids with the UFOs. All

481
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 3: that stuff came out of the seventies and eighties.

482
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

483
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: So this all kind of coincided with Lazarre having his

484
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: news interview and it really just kind of changed everything.

485
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 3: It did, right, So he kind of like came out

486
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,159
Speaker 3: at a time when America was primed to really believe it.

487
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 3: But if you think about it, like everything you hear

488
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 3: about and think about from about Area fifty one today

489
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: did not exist pre nineteen eighty nine, Pre Bob Blazar.

490
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 3: It all started with Bob Blazar, and the reason why

491
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: everybody wasn't just like so, he's just some nut who

492
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,959
Speaker 3: came out and said this stuff. Who cares? How did that?

493
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 3: How did that become truly cemented with Area fifty one?

494
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: Is that Weirdly some of the stuff he talked about

495
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: kind of held water, Like he would talk about just mundane,

496
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: day to day stuff that went on at Area fifty

497
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 3: one that seemed to be able to be correlated from

498
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: locals like it held up. There was a there was

499
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: a scanner once. He said that you would get in

500
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: and out of rooms by scanning your hands and it

501
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: would scan the bone structure of your hand. That was

502
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 3: how you were identified and could come in and out

503
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 3: of rooms. And supposedly somebody found years like thirty years later,

504
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: mentioned of something like that in some declassified report about

505
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 3: Area fifty one. He also this is it really kind

506
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: of legitimized him. He would take people out on Wednesday

507
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 3: nights and at the time he would say, I never

508
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: saw what time it was, but at the time he

509
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: said it would happen, lights would rise up in the

510
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 3: sky and they would do all sorts of ufoi kind

511
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: of stuff, and the fact that he knew about these

512
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: schedules really kind of added legitimacy to his claims.

513
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the new interview that I saw, he was

514
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: explaining some of that anti gravitational propulsion technology that the

515
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: Aliens had supposedly used that he was supposedly assigned to

516
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: reverse engineer, and he was sort of walking the person

517
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: through it that was in the room, and he was like, oh, yeah,

518
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: and he said, we had this thing. It was sort

519
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: of like half a basketball and when you went to

520
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: put your hand on it, he was like, there was

521
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: this It was like bringing two magnets, you know, opposite

522
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: poles to opposite poles that repel.

523
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: And he said, that's kind of what it felt like.

524
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 1: And he said, so we would drop like a golf

525
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: ball and it would just you know, skirt off to

526
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: the side without hitting it and as if it had bounced.

527
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 1: And the way he was describing it, I was just like,

528
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: this guy just seems so credible, right, It was so

529
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: like shocking. I didn't know what to expect. I thought

530
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: he was I thought he was not going to be credible.

531
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 3: I guess right. I didn't see the interview with him,

532
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: but I read about that technology. And by the way, everybody,

533
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 3: you can erase your email. It's like poles that repel

534
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 3: each other. Chuck, Not, okay, the anti gravity technology was

535
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: talking about. It was basically saying, like around the craft

536
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 3: or whatever that they were reverse engineering, it would bend gravity,

537
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: so this could just move right through space basically at

538
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 3: light speed. That's the big suspicion among ufologists who follow

539
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 3: this stuff is that they were reverse engineering light speed

540
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: aircraft that was propelled using anti gravity technology on engines

541
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 3: that were matter antimatter engines. And back in nineteen eighty

542
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 3: nine you couldn't There wasn't an Internet to start with,

543
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: but even if there was, you couldn't find stuff like

544
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: descriptions of anti gravity craft at the time. So for

545
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: this guy to just come out and start talking about

546
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 3: this in an authoritative way, yeah, he's an enigmatic figure

547
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: for sure, But he was also one whose credibility was

548
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: questioned right out of the gate too.

549
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean he said that he went to

550
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: MIT and to Caltech.

551
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: There are no records of him being a student.

552
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: The conspiracy theorists will say, like, you know how easy

553
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: it is for the government to wipe that clean?

554
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: Do you.

555
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I don't know, is that easy. So

556
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: that's what they will say.

557
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: They will also say that they also got in touch

558
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: with his professors to make sure they never.

559
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: Talked and stuff like that.

560
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's when I get a little bit like,

561
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: you can't have hundreds of people or thousands of people

562
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: involved in some big, massive cover up like someone's gonna talk.

563
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: You're just not thinking big enough. I agree with you.

564
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 3: That's when it kind of starts to get hinky for me.

565
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: But he did disappear, and I mean not disappear, disappear, disappear,

566
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: but he uh, I mean, it's not like he was like,

567
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: all right and now I'm going to go make all.

568
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: The money on this right exactly.

569
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Like he moved and tried to start like a regular

570
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: business and tried to just not be in the public eye.

571
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did, which I think adds to his credibility

572
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: even more, you know a little bit. Uh, let's take

573
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: our last break and then come back, shall we. Let's

574
00:30:32,360 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 3: do it, but let's promise we're going to come back. Okay, right, stop, okay, Chuck,

575
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 3: So Bob Blazar comes along just starts spouting out at

576
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: the mouth about all the crazy alien stuff that's going

577
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: on at Area fifty one, and then he kind of

578
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: like fades into the background for a while, and everybody

579
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 3: else kind of took it from there. If you have

580
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 3: anything to do with government conspiracies or believe in UFOs

581
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 3: or aliens or whatever, all that stuff started to get

582
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: saddled little by little onto Area fifty one. And one

583
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: of the things that pretty early on got connected to

584
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 3: Area fifty one, but almost across the board. Any reasonable

585
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: source or skeptical source will say, like the two have

586
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: nothing to do with one another. Is Roswell and Area

587
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: fifty one.

588
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Roswell crash in nineteen forty seven, when something

589
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: crashed a gentlemen found pieces of an air well, pieces

590
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: of some kind of unidentified object, and it became ufosnrol.

591
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: Later it was said to be a weather balloon, but first.

592
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 3: The army said it was a flying disc. Right, that

593
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: kind of change things.

594
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: You've seen the pictures, right.

595
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: Sure, I mean it looks like I've seen that one

596
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: famous picture of the guy crouching with what looks like

597
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: just some balloon material. Yeah, right, But you know, he

598
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 3: was just a stooge for the government, and that was

599
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: just a prop that they came up with. So the

600
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: Roswell crash happens in nineteen forty seven, there's no way

601
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: Area fifty one would have been associated with it. The

602
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 3: whole mythos around Roswell is that there was a UFO

603
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: crash that happened, some aliens survived, or at the very

604
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 3: least their bodies were recovered, depending on who you ask,

605
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 3: and the UFO and the aliens alive or dead were

606
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: taken for further study to wear Area fifty one. Area

607
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: fifty one back in nineteen forty seven, when the Roswell

608
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: crash happened, was not even on the CIA's radar. It

609
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: was a that basically a defunct airstrip and a nuclear

610
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 3: testing range still, so there wouldn't have been any place

611
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: to take the aliens in the first place. And then secondly,

612
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: after the Roswell crash happened, the idea of an alien

613
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: an alien crash having taken place there, that didn't come

614
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: about until like the eighties too, so really people started

615
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: to kind of catch on to this a little late.

616
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: So probably Area fifty one in Roswell have nothing to

617
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 3: do with one another. And let's not forget that they're

618
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 3: like eight hundred miles apart too, even though to everyone

619
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: in America and really the rest of the world outside

620
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 3: of the Southwest thinks they're like right next to.

621
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: Each other, I think, so, you know, yeah, So there

622
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: have been a lot of crazy theories over the years.

623
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: The very most basic are, like you just said, like,

624
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: there's alien corpses there, alien technology there, and the US

625
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: military has been studying the stuff and trying to perfect

626
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: everything from time travel to light speed travel. Right, fine,

627
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: that's the basic ground zero approach.

628
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: Don't forget interdimensional travel too. Why not another one? I saw?

629
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 3: There's some pretty pretty low hanging fruit that I love.

630
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 3: The moon landing was faked.

631
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: There, ah, sure?

632
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: And then after that, right, but then after that Kubrick

633
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: was executed on site and replaced by a clone.

634
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: Well, that clon did some great work.

635
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 3: He did better than Barry Linden.

636
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 2: Right, Oh, I love Berry Linden.

637
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 3: I've never seen it, so I currently hate on it.

638
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 3: It's amazing weather control experiments. That's probably the most believable

639
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: for me.

640
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: Sure, clouds eating sure, why not?

641
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: Well? Why not? And then there's like stage two of

642
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 3: conspiracy theories.

643
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: Yes, that is, there are aliens that clock in every

644
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: day at Area fifty one and work side by side

645
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 1: with us in harmony.

646
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: In harm many in order to build like an alien

647
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: human hybrid race. Maybe sure. And if all this sounds familiar,

648
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 3: I will bet that you watched a pretty hefty amount

649
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: of X Files. Oh yes, because they really tapped into

650
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: this stuff. They basically just appropriated it for plot lines.

651
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, which is great. I love the X Files.

652
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: But it was just I guess Chris Carter used to

653
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: hang out with like uphologists or something just to get ideas.

654
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: Did he really he had two of yeah, or he

655
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: is one himself. I don't know much about it. Maybe so,

656
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: maybe so so. And then of course, if you even

657
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: ramp that up a little bit more, that this is

658
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: all part of a giant conspiracy to create a one

659
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: world government that is human alien run right.

660
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: And that's where that Majestic twelve I mentioned at the

661
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: beginning comes in. They are supposedly a panel of academics,

662
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 3: elite scientists. There's twelve of them who were impaneled by

663
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 3: Eisenhower after the Roswell crash, or I guess it would

664
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 3: have been Truman, I think still, and they were put

665
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: together just the cream of the crop to basically go

666
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 3: contact the aliens and basically broker a meeting I guess

667
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: between the President and the aliens. And they managed to

668
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: leverage this to catapult themselves into status of actual people

669
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: who run the world. So they're the ones who are

670
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 3: forming this one world government. And that is where Area

671
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: fifty one, or that's where it's located. The seat of

672
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: this government is located underground in Area fifty one.

673
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

674
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: This next one is a little more recent and very kooky,

675
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: and it's the notion that Hitler and Stalin got together

676
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: and hatched a plan to undermine the United States in

677
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: World War two by distracting us about the threat of

678
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: an impending alien invasion. And they would do this by

679
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: building a fake spaceship filling it with mutant children that

680
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: Joseph Mingola created and filled the spaceship with those kids,

681
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and then the craft crashed in a storm, and that

682
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: was the Roswell incident.

683
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 3: Right, it was meant to land, and then these mutant children.

684
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: Come out speaking Germans.

685
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: Right. Supposedly, the mutant children who were the aliens that

686
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 3: were found in the Roswell crash had huge heads and

687
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 3: giant eyes. They were basically like the grays of alien

688
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: legend right, and that Stalin and Hitler were inspired by

689
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: the public's reaction in America to the World War of

690
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: the World's broadcast. They wanted to incite that kind of

691
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: panic by actually creating this fake alien invasion.

692
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: With all the drugs. Hitler was on after we know

693
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: this now, who knows?

694
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great idea. It's

695
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: a great idea. Man, what else you got? What else

696
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: you got? What else can we do? Slands like mellow

697
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: he tried CBD.

698
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: He's like, no, that's the one thing I haven't tried.

699
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 3: He got any right, I'll be I'll mix well with

700
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: everything else.

701
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: So this is this is obviously not a thing either.

702
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 3: Well, this is from a book by an author named

703
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 3: Annie Jacobson, I believe, and she this book came out

704
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven, and she based this whole thing on

705
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 3: an alleged Area fifty one insider who was her source,

706
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: who said that he worked on a project that had

707
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 3: to do with this somehow, some way, but that this

708
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: was where all this alien stuff came from. It was

709
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: a it was a hoax by the Nazis and the Soviets.

710
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: Weird thing is is there is another guy out there

711
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: who supposedly has a different source who tells the same story.

712
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: But this other source says that this is it was

713
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 3: all fake. That I saw the files myself, but I

714
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 3: believe that it was meant to be a test of loyalty,

715
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 3: or to see how I would react working at Area

716
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 3: fifty one to files like this and be like, oh

717
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: my god, this is real, this is real. I can't

718
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: believe this is this is actually real. I guess to

719
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: see how gullible you were and therefore how trustworthy you.

720
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: Were, right, which could explain Bob blazar situation too, because

721
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: he was supposedly in a room full of files he

722
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: probably shouldn't have seen.

723
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: Either, right, So that's you probably failed the test.

724
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: You got three different sources who supposedly worked at Area

725
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: fifty one. Technically, I should say, because we'll get email

726
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 3: Bob Blazar worked at S four, which is an even

727
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 3: more secret installation that's attached to Area fifty one.

728
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you got.

729
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,439
Speaker 3: Three people who allegedly worked in Area fifty one who

730
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 3: all tell a story about basically being left in a

731
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 3: room with files that contained information about aliens. Whether it

732
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: was a hoax, or real or whatever. And maybe that

733
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: is because that kind of correlates with the idea that

734
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: there were like gunpoint interrogations to verify your allegiance to

735
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 3: the government or the military or whatever. Maybe that is

736
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 3: something they tried there. Yeah, it doesn't make the actual

737
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: aliens real. It just makes the presence of the files real,

738
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: that's true.

739
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Area fifty one today as it truly exists.

740
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: If you're driving down Highway three seventy five, there's an

741
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: unmarked dirt road between mile markers twenty nine and thirty

742
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: or I guess thirty and twenty nine, and you turn.

743
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: On that road.

744
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: It's twelve miles on a dirt road, and you'll get

745
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: to a gate and there'll be warning signs all along

746
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: saying restricted areas, sort of like close encounters type stuff.

747
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: There will be cameras and sensors everywhere, so don't think

748
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: you're like getting away with anything.

749
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: No, there's mics that listen to your conversation. You were

750
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: under as close surveillance as you've ever been in your

751
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: life from what I understand.

752
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are guards, of course, and they will

753
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry, turn around and drive back to the

754
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: highway and if you.

755
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 2: Persist a little bit, then you will get arrested.

756
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: If you're around the perimeter area kind of walking around

757
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: with your binoculars, they will probably come and take your

758
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: binoculars and tell you to leave, or drive you back

759
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: to the highway, or maybe smash your face in and

760
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: bury you in the desert.

761
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 3: Well, there's a sign that says use of deadly forth

762
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 3: forces authorized.

763
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure, but there's.

764
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: From what I've seen, there's never been an incident that

765
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: where that actually happened. You're much more likely to get

766
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: handed over to the local cops who will slap you

767
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 3: with a several hundred dollars fine, sure, if you give

768
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 3: them any kind of guff and don't leave immediately when

769
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: they tell you to.

770
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: So.

771
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: Kind of the cool thing about Area fifty one, there are, obviously,

772
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: I mean, there are civilian workers that work there. It's

773
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: a huge facility that apparently is still growing because you

774
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: can look at satellite photographs and year by year it

775
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 1: seems to be getting bigger and bigger with more buildings.

776
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: If you work there, and I mean they have to

777
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: have everything from food services to custodial services, to plumbing

778
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: and electricians and stuff like that.

779
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 3: And all of those people have the highest possible security

780
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 3: clearance an American can have.

781
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Oh sure, So they don't drive down that dirt road

782
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: and just go to the gate and say how you doing, Rick,

783
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: and they go come on in Jane. They go to

784
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: McCarran Airport in Las Vegas and they all get on

785
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: a big basically air taxi. It's a seven thirty seven

786
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: passenger jet that fly. They call them the Janet Jets.

787
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: It's under the cassign Janet. They're white with the big

788
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: thick red stripe. You can look it up online, and

789
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: they that's how they get to work every day. They

790
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: fly everyone in on a seven thirty seven and you.

791
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: Can see them on the tarmac. They just get in

792
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 3: with the regular planes. It's just look for the giant

793
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 3: seven thirty seven that are white with the red strip.

794
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 2: And pretty cool.

795
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 3: No logo, no nothing. They don't actually have a name,

796
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 3: like you said, They fly under callsign Janet. So people

797
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 3: have tried to figure out forever what Janet means. There's

798
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: an idea that it's just another non existent terminal stands

799
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 3: for that her Joint Air Network for employee transportation. But

800
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 3: if you go visit the Nevada Aerospace Hall of Fame.

801
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: They tell the story that there was a commander of

802
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 3: Area fifty one named Richard A. Sampson from nineteen sixty

803
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 3: nine to seventy one, and he chose his wife's name,

804
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: Janet to identify the commuter shuttles. That's sweet, and that's

805
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: that's the most romantic, super secret government story of all.

806
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: So we kind of teased earlier on that the government

807
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: is no longer saying like, I don't know what you're

808
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: talking about, Like, no, this satellite image that we're all

809
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: looking at of buildings, I don't see anything but dirt.

810
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: That's all changed a little bit now because a lawsuit

811
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: in the mid nineteen nineties there were a group of

812
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: workers from Area fifty one that sued the government because

813
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: of the it's an environmental disaster there or you know,

814
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: maybe that's changing now, but it had been for many,

815
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: many years because of the fact that it's a black

816
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: project and so unregulated that they were just basically doing

817
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: everything like dumping hazardous waste and burning it in trenches

818
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: and people were there just inhaling these fumes, right and

819
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: getting really sick. And a guy named Robert Frost that

820
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 1: worked there in employee had a lot of really bad

821
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 1: health problems. Doctor said, you were suffering from some kind

822
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: of a really bad chemical reaction, and in order to

823
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: treat it, we need to know what it is. And

824
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: the government said, sorry, we can't tell you that, and

825
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: he died.

826
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: He died, and some other coworkers filed this lawsuit. One

827
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: of them ended up dying too, and they finally got

828
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: to like a Nevada I think, a federal circuit court

829
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: that said, no, you guys don't have a right to

830
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: know what you've been exposed to.

831
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they weren't looking for money. They just wanted to

832
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: know what was killing them.

833
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 3: And the reason that they had no legal right to

834
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: know was and this is that trial that I was

835
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: referring to earlier, where the government representatives were saying, we like,

836
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 3: the place that they're talking about doesn't exist. Sorry, So

837
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,879
Speaker 3: imagine like trying to just get past that barrier, right,

838
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: You're suing the government to find out what they were

839
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 3: burning that made you sick, but the government's in court saying, like,

840
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: the place that they're talking about doesn't even exist. That's like,

841
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 3: that's obstacle one. But the whole reason that they were

842
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: burning this stuff in the first place is because Area

843
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 3: fifty one operates under what's called the mosaic theory, and

844
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 3: the mosaic theory is that any little piece of information

845
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: a spy gets his or hands on could be fit

846
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: together with other information to provide a larger picture of

847
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: what's being done at Area fifty one. And as a result,

848
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: nothing can come out of Area fifty.

849
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: One like the chemical that's killing the people, right.

850
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 3: Or computers that go in and are used once they

851
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: get decommissioned. They get put in this pit and these trenches,

852
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 3: and every two weeks they go out there with jet

853
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: fuel and everything that's been put into the trenches over

854
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: the last two weeks gets doused with jet fuel. It's

855
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: set on fire with road flares, amazing, and whatever is

856
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: in that smoke the workers get exposed to because for

857
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: some reason, they built the trenches upwind of this this

858
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: installation rather than downwind, and so people were exposed to

859
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: this every two weeks for years and years and years,

860
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: and things like you know, anti radar paint. The jet

861
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: fuel that they're using is an accelerant. I'm sure wasn't helping,

862
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: but just all sorts of exotic materials that was super

863
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 3: super classified. This is what was killing these people, making

864
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 3: them sick exactly, And the government said, no, this is

865
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 3: just too classify. These people can't know. They're just going

866
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: to have to go off and die untreated because we're

867
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: not going to say publicly what they were exposed to.

868
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where it stood that case.

869
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: They did, finally, finally in that case say okay, there's

870
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: an area fifty one.

871
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: I know, the whole courtroom went out for beers that

872
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: day afterwards, So.

873
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 2: There's a thing there.

874
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: And that's really all we can say, sorry, is there's

875
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: a thing there.

876
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: But that was the very first sort of.

877
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: Insight into the just that admission that there was something

878
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: there was the first time that had ever happened, which

879
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Speaker 1: is in the mid nineteen nineties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were saying, like people would point the

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Speaker 3: satellite images of the place and you can see that

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Speaker 3: it's growing now, like you can see it on like

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Speaker 3: Google Maps.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is really new.

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Speaker 3: Because it wasn't very long ago where all the satellites

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Speaker 3: in space were controlled by the government, and the government

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Speaker 3: could control what ended up in satellite images, so they

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Speaker 3: blocked out anything any image of area fifty one, but

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Speaker 3: as private firms started launching their own satellites, it became

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Speaker 3: basically impossible. So just little by little, it's becoming to

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Speaker 3: the point now where they're like, yes, they acknowledge something's there. No,

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Speaker 3: you can't know what's going on. There is basically the

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Speaker 3: status quo.

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Speaker 2: Now pretty much.

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Speaker 3: So that's Area fifty one. And sorry, we kind of

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Speaker 3: took the government tack here and didn't really go all

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Speaker 3: in on the alien theories. But I just don't think

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Speaker 3: that's what it is. If you want to know more

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Speaker 3: about Area fifty one, I guess just start reading about it.

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Speaker 3: There's some pretty interesting stuff out there. And since I

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Speaker 3: said that, it's time for a listener mail.

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Speaker 2: This is about nicknames. This is from Rob Bob.

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Speaker 3: Oh Yeah, I love this one.

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, my name is Rob Bob, Rob and Bob

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Speaker 1: combined into a singular form like Jim Bob.

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Speaker 2: But better.

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Speaker 1: My mom has explained to me that it started when

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Speaker 1: I was about six months old. I was a really

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Speaker 1: chunky kid, like in the ninety ninth percentile for weight.

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Speaker 1: They felt like no other nickname like Robbie or Bobby fit,

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Speaker 1: so they started calling me Rob Bob. Many years later,

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Speaker 1: I meet my wife, which is almost eight years ago now,

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Speaker 1: and quickly found out that her favorite writer is Richard Wright.

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Speaker 1: Since reading his novel Native Son, has wanted to name

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Speaker 1: her kid Richard to honor the impact he had on

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Speaker 1: her life. She had visited his grave in parison as

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Speaker 1: every book he ever published. When she met me, I

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Speaker 1: told her about my super nicknames that I had wanted

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Speaker 1: to call my kid because you see, my father is

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Speaker 1: William Bill for short. But now since we came up

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Speaker 1: with these weird names, I call my dad will Bill

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Speaker 1: to bug him. This leads me to why I have

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Speaker 1: always wanted to name my child Richard since high school.

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Speaker 1: Then we would in order to have a will Bill,

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Speaker 1: a Rob Bob, and a Rickdick, all in three generations

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Speaker 1: of awesomeness. Wife does not approve and thinks we should

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Speaker 1: look elsewhere for name ideas.

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Speaker 2: With great admiration Rob Bob and Rachel.

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Speaker 3: Nice. Thanks Rob Bob, good luck with that with your quest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Rick Dick is going to fly

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Speaker 2: in your household.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so either. Rachel may have the cooler

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Speaker 3: head here, I think so. Well, if you want to

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Speaker 3: get in touch with this, like Rob Bob, did, We

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Speaker 3: would love that. You can go on to stuff youshould

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Speaker 3: Know dot com check out our social links there, or

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