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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. And it was so cold in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: today it couldn't snow. What really, Yeah, once you get

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Speaker 2: to a certain line, I know that that's true, but

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that was happening. It's like seven degrees

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Speaker 2: at my house this morning. I got up later than

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Speaker 2: you obviously, still very chilly. Yeah, you know. So it's

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Speaker 2: a Friday here in Pittsburgh. The Steelers playing the Baltimore

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Speaker 2: Ravens at eight o'clock Saturday night. The team will be

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Speaker 2: leaving twenty four hours away. Let's go team will be leaving.

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Speaker 2: It was has left already for Baltimore in the air,

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Speaker 2: probably in the air. And well there'll be taking on

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Speaker 2: Ravens tomorrow, but they'll do so knowing Matt that three

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Speaker 2: of their players earned All Pro status. Really, okay, what

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Speaker 2: was the goofy all pro thing that came out the

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Speaker 2: other day. It was like there's air Award or writers

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Speaker 2: n f l p A has one focus official This

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Speaker 2: is the official, the AP All Pro. This is the

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Speaker 2: one that matters when you start looking at Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame stuff and things of that contract bonuses. This is

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Speaker 2: the one that counts. Okay, this is the AP. These

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Speaker 2: are the same voters that vote for m VP all

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Speaker 2: that stuff. Okay. And before we get into it, I

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Speaker 2: think that there's two teams. There's a first team a

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Speaker 2: second team. Right, Yes, there's not three, okay, yeah, break

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Speaker 2: the news, let's go. Okay, So Cam Hayward, Chris Boswell

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Speaker 2: first team All Pro. Good. I was a little worried

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Speaker 2: about Cam because I guess that other goofy won he

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Speaker 2: was second team. I'm like, come on, nuts, right and TJ.

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Speaker 2: Watt second Team Pro. I think that's all justified. I

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Speaker 2: think that's right where they should be. This is Cam

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Speaker 2: Hayward's fourth first team All Pro? Really yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 2: And he was second team once, so he's got five

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Speaker 2: All Pro. I mean, think about that just for a second.

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Speaker 2: Like he's spent a great deal of his career with

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Speaker 2: Aaron Donald. Yeah so Scots, I mean probably nine out

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Speaker 2: of ten years, Aaron Donald got one of them. And

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of Chris Jones, oh yeah, another and

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Speaker 2: you got you know pick. I mean, there's tons of them.

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Speaker 2: There's there's always been some defensive tackles that are other,

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Speaker 2: you know, and guys have good years and all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: But the rest of the league was fighting for one

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Speaker 2: spot right with that guy, right, And so you know,

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Speaker 2: this is a big feather in Cam Hayward's cape in

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Speaker 2: terms of becoming Hall of Famer, right. I mean, I

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Speaker 2: think you look at it, really, if you look at

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Speaker 2: the last three hundred and sixty five days, Walter Bayton

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Speaker 2: Man of the Year carries a ton of weight, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and then another All Pro First Team I mean, and

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Speaker 2: a year or two ago, I did not consider Cam

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Speaker 2: a legit Hall of Fame type guy. I thought he

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Speaker 2: was a stealer ring of honor, all time great. But

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Speaker 2: he's playing better now than ever. So here, here's where

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Speaker 2: we're at with this now. So yeah, again, five All pros,

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Speaker 2: what's a lot that match his four first team All

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Speaker 2: Pro selections. That's as many as Joe greenhead. Now, I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying Cam Heyward's Joe Green, but that they both four.

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Speaker 2: They both have four. That's the same number that Warren

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Speaker 2: Sapp had. Okay, Warren Sapp was an All Pro four

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Speaker 2: first Team All Pro four times, the average NFL Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame defensive tackle. I BET's less than that. First

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Speaker 2: Team All Pro made it four times, so he's right

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Speaker 2: on the number. Cortes Kennedy who went in a few

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Speaker 2: years ago. Yeah, three times. You mentioned five those you

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Speaker 2: that the Pro Football Reference does, which is great if

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Speaker 2: where guys are at, Like TJ. Watt's already in, you know,

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Speaker 2: especially Miles Garrett, those guys already in, so they've already

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Speaker 2: kind of started to factor this stuff in. What they

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Speaker 2: is Cam's fourth first Team All Pro that hasn't factored

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Speaker 2: the other guys who have this is going to raise

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Speaker 2: I say, there's no way he made four. Henry Borderline

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Speaker 2: Do you have a list of how many have five

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Speaker 2: or more so the guy's done. Aaron Donald has eight, exactly,

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Speaker 2: there's this strong case for him then, yeah, he kind

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Speaker 2: of has gotten forgotten. Yeah, and his Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: monitor scores really it's actually better than Quartees Kennedy. He's

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Speaker 2: bumps him ahead without his Pro Bowl two right they No,

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Speaker 2: they've got they that's factored in. So he's made seven

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Speaker 2: guys like a Buck Buchanan, who's already in who's a

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Speaker 2: four time All Pro player. He's already had a Bryant

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Speaker 2: young as I said Steve McMichael, who went in this year,

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Speaker 2: but he was early borderline. He had two curly culp.

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Speaker 2: He's there's a good chance. I mean if you look

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Speaker 2: see him retiring after the year either. No, that's the

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Speaker 2: other thing. He's gonna he's gonna continue to add to this.

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Speaker 2: So the guys ahead of him who aren't in the

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Speaker 2: their pro football Yeah, and this thing does really accurate.

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Speaker 2: well when I was when I was the presenter. Donald

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Speaker 2: good for guard. Yeah, tackles. Donald has the highest score

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Speaker 2: of any defensive tackle all time, one point sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: We're not calling jj watta d tackle?

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Speaker 3: Right? No?

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Speaker 2: Okay, no neither nor do they. Uh you got then

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Speaker 2: So the guys who are ahead of Cam who aren't

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Speaker 2: for so many teams. Yeah, but he was a really

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Speaker 2: good career and sometimes a lifetime achievement in longevity. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Three times. He was a first team All Pro, five

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Speaker 2: time Pro Bowl player. He was a starter for twelve

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Speaker 2: It'll be an interesting case though. Fletcher Cox is at

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Speaker 2: seventy eight point three eight. He made one. He was

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Speaker 2: All Pro, first team All Pro once him and Cam

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Speaker 2: came in like a year apart. His first Yeah, his

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Speaker 2: time first Team All Pro, eight time Pro bowler. Interesting,

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Speaker 2: Tom c Stack who played from nineteen sixty two to

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight, but he was Pro bowler every basically

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Speaker 2: every year and three time All Pro. Cam is going

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Speaker 2: to do with his latest news, with this latest All Pro,

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Speaker 2: He's going to pass a loading Nada. Load was a

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Speaker 2: hell of a player. He was a hell of a player. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he doesn't have SAX stats, but Cam started

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Speaker 2: rack up sacks stats the way. That's the thing. Not

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Speaker 2: I had thirty two and a half career sacks, Sue

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Speaker 2: had dominic and Sue had seventy one and a half.

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Speaker 2: That's where Fletcher Cox had seventy. That's where Cam is

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Speaker 2: starting to separate a little bit. Yeah, somebody's gone these

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Speaker 2: guys that are about his age, he's having a better run.

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Speaker 2: He's longer eighty eight and a half right now. Bryant Young.

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Speaker 2: So Cam's next regular season sack will tie him with

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Brian Young, which is a nice way

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Speaker 2: to present it. Yeah, you know, if you look at

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Speaker 2: Randall had one hundred and thirty seven and a half,

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Speaker 2: damn say that before they didn't record, They weren't recorded,

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Speaker 2: Let's go back and look at the film. Alex Caris

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Speaker 2: because they weren't the official set until eighty two. But

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Speaker 2: Merlin Olsen ninety one, Trevor Price ninety one. I imagine

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Speaker 2: the swat numbers are going. He has been over the

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Speaker 2: all defensive tackles. In tackles, he's number two, top two

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Speaker 2: he's got one hundred and thirty three. Now, they don't

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Speaker 3: you're saying to yourself before going out there. But then

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00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: I've also seen the George Kittle is a really big

425
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 3: self talk motivation type. I've seen a feature on.

426
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 2: It, and nobody says George. Nobody says he's weird.

427
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, they like they're like, oh, that makes sense.

428
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: I think, you know, everybody is different. It's how Cooch

429
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 3: Summons is all the time, like he can motivate guys,

430
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 3: but it's all different. How you motivate TJ. Watt is

431
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 3: not the same way that you probably motivate Russell Wilson.

432
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: It's a little Stuart smalling, Yeah, I'm good enough and

433
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 2: you know, whatever enough and a dark gun at people

434
00:22:59,280 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 2: like that.

435
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 3: Right. Hey, yeah, I'm sure that after thirteen years he

436
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 3: has figured out what works for him. Yeah, you know,

437
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: at some point to be able to play that long

438
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: in the NFL, you have to come up with a system.

439
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: It's even how, you know, guys learn how to take

440
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 3: care of their bodies over time. What you do your

441
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 3: rookie year is probably not what you're doing year five.

442
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: I would have thought, Yeah, and you learn to take

443
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,119
Speaker 2: care of your mind and emotions, right yeah, right.

444
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: He is that positive person even when maybe people are

445
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 3: not happy, He's still trying to uplift and bring everybody

446
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 3: up to his level of positivity as possible.

447
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: I think that should be commended, honestly. I mean you,

448
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 2: you you certainly don't want your team leaders out there

449
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 2: going oh man, we got no chance, we got no

450
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 2: shot now walking around everybody going hey, guys, we just

451
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: got to go, We got to go. Try, best of luck.

452
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 2: You know, there's a little bit of Yoda there. There's

453
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: no there's no try, there's only do and you know

454
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 2: things are that like, it's it's it's it's interesting to watch.

455
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 2: And again, different guys do different things, changing things up

456
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: here a little bit, Missy. We got the All Pro

457
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: team coming out today, Chris Boswell, Cam Hayward first Team

458
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: All Pro, TJ. Watt second Team All Pro. What a

459
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: season for first of all Boswell and and Hayward. Matt

460
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 2: and I were just talking at the end of the

461
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: final segment there. I don't know that people understand exactly

462
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: how good TJ. Watt has been stopping the run this year.

463
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 2: It's crazy, and you know, you hear people what he's

464
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: just not had as good as years. He's had the

465
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: best year of his career in terms of stopping the run,

466
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: best of his career, and he's been really good at

467
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: that before, but he's been he's taken it to another

468
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: level this year.

469
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: Okay, we're biased, obviously, but I don't understand that the TJ.

470
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 3: Watt hate And it's so funny, Becau because I saw

471
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: that rate before I jumped on with you guys and

472
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 3: was like, Oh, I hope this makes nineties so mad,

473
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 3: and this is you know, something that will help him

474
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: out tomorrow to get that coveted first playoff win. But

475
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: you know, I know Miles is you know he likes

476
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: to be in the public. Yeah, that's not TJ. He's

477
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: like the silent killer who puts on his headphones. Yeah,

478
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: and he he just you know, internalizes things. So yeah,

479
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 3: I was a bit surprised by that, As you said, like,

480
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 3: how could you not be happy for Bos and Cam

481
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: for what they've done for their career, especially the bounce

482
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 3: back by Cam from last season with the injuries, uh,

483
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 3: going through the whole thing with you know, waiting to

484
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: see if he was going to get a contract extension

485
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 3: or not. Just you know, kudos to those guys because

486
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 3: they that is well well deserved.

487
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: Speaking of Cam, were you from did you know that

488
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 2: he had the flu going into that game? I mean

489
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 2: I found out after and I'm like, wow, and that's

490
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 2: pretty amazing stuff. Was that public knowledge?

491
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: I did not know before the game? I you know,

492
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: Cam is vocal on the sidelines. I don't think that's

493
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 3: a surprise. Is we're talking about, you know, how people

494
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: interact on the sideline The only thing I did notice

495
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: is his voice was a little you know, not CAM level,

496
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: but you know sometimes if you scream too much, you

497
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 3: starts to lose your voice a little bit. But no,

498
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 3: not until after the game. You could just tell, especially

499
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 3: when he spoke to the media that oh man, and

500
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 3: then I just think, you know, to how I feel

501
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: when I don't feel great or you know, God forbidden

502
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 3: something like the flu, and I'm like, how the heck

503
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 3: did he go play that football game? They played it

504
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 3: the way that he did, right right, Like, you know

505
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: that's the flu. You're like in bed with the chills

506
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: and the fetal position Cam not CAM. So I am

507
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 3: glad though that he did get to rest afterwards. I

508
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: know coach team some of those days, and let's be honest,

509
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: he would have got some bed days. Yeah, right, So

510
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: I think it's good that, you know, don't spread it around,

511
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 3: but also like replace your body and get it to

512
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: where it needs to be for the wildcard round.

513
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, in terms of of I don't know if you

514
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: heard what TJ had to say yesterday after practice, the

515
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: way that he opened up about how badly he wants

516
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: not just a playoff win, but a super Bowl just

517
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: the way because the way that he's he's been here

518
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: long enough that he's seen the way that the Super

519
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: Bowl guys, as he said, interact with each other about it.

520
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: It's just an aura about them. And he says, look,

521
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: you know, it's nothing against the guys who who haven't

522
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: done that. He said, I'm one of those guys right now.

523
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm still one of these guys chasing that, he said,

524
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: But you see that, and you want that. The way

525
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: that those guys interact with each other when they come back,

526
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: the aura that surrounds them, the way that they're viewed

527
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: by the current players and even some of the older

528
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 2: players as well, you know, like you know, I mean,

529
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: we love in the fraternity, we love Wolf. Everybody loves Wolf. Yeah,

530
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have that super Bowl title. He missed

531
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: it by he missed it by a year coming in

532
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: and he and you know that the eighties were not kind.

533
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,919
Speaker 2: You know, it's just a different feeling about that. And

534
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: TJ wants it, and I don't. I don't blame him,

535
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: Cam wants it, but TJ really vocalized that yesterday, which

536
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: isn't usually his style. No, yeah, no, but I.

537
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: Do remember him in training camp. You know, it's you know,

538
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: especially moving day, it's like, oh, what are the goals

539
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 3: for the season, you know, the typical, you know, whatever questions,

540
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: And like TJ is very adamant, like it's it's winning

541
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 3: a super Bowl. It's not just like winning a playoff game.

542
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: He he will mention that. But you know, I think

543
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: to you know, his brother never had that chance. And

544
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 3: I'm sure that JJ went back and forth about when

545
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: do I retire, When do I hang it up? Do

546
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 3: I give it another run? You know, there's so many

547
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: things that go into it. It's not like you just say, Okay,

548
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: well I think that Seam's gonna win next year, hopefully

549
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: they'll take you in free agency or whatever. And I

550
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: think that, you know, that probably is something that he witnessed, uh,

551
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 3: you know, being the third brother, being younger to kind

552
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: of you know, go through JJ's career with him. And

553
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: as you said, oh and five in the last playoff games,

554
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: he was here for all of them. Didn't play in

555
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 3: all of them, but you know he was here for four.

556
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 3: Chris Boswell, oh, that's right, you're right, and.

557
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: And he missed the one last year. And I think

558
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: people forget that. It's just it's like the people aren't

559
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: talking about. They don't nobody's nobody's mentioning this week the

560
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 2: fact that the Steelers were down four starters in that

561
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: previous matchup with the with the Ravens. Nobody talks about.

562
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it gets talked about enough. Some of

563
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: the players that the Steelers have been missing in some

564
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: of these playoff games. For example, Cam Hayward didn't play

565
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship in New England, and then Le'Veon

566
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: Bell got hurt. You're taking two major pieces of out

567
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 2: of your defense. If you remember that game as well,

568
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: Stefan Toott was on one leg, he had got nicked

569
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 2: up and he had been a monster. Listeners forgot what

570
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 2: was even missed one, you know, and it just seems

571
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 2: like Agian history, you know. Yeah, you just you just

572
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: don't think about those things. And to me, that's been

573
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 2: one of the you know, you can talk about Mike

574
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: Tomlin's failures in the postseason, he's been missing some pretty

575
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: important pieces in some of those many of those playoff games.

576
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: Now that that doesn't excuse them, that doesn't matter. It's

577
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: not an excuse, it's a fact. It's it's it's reality.

578
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: And it hasn't been in all of them. So I

579
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 2: understand some of the frustrations with losing to Cleveland, for example,

580
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: we're losing to Jacksonville here, But you know, this league

581
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 2: in the playoffs are war of attrition. You go into Denver,

582
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: for example, in the in the divisional round after you

583
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: just beat Cincinnati, and you don't have levy On Bell,

584
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: you don't have Antonio Brow, Ben Roethlisberger can't raise his

585
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: arm above his above his shoulder. It's kind of important,

586
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: kind of a big deal in the ham for Ben.

587
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: You don't the rematch with the Ravens the last time

588
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: these two teams met in the playoffs. It's it's very

589
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: similar in terms of you know, them not having Zay

590
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 2: Flowers for this game as what happened to the Steelers

591
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: going into that game because they were playing for the

592
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: division championship and the in the opportunity to host that game,

593
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 2: and Le'Veon Bell gets hurt and doesn't play in that

594
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 2: next in that game the next week, I mean, next thing,

595
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: next man's up. Great, These things are the next man yeah,

596
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 2: you know right, next man's up. Fine. If you're you know,

597
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: you're placing a guy for a game. Yeah, the steils

598
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: on to McCormick, the world will keep spinning. But yeah,

599
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 2: the next man up, when it's an All Pro player

600
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: is not quite the same. You're not going to get

601
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: All Pro level play out of out of a guy.

602
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: You're not going to get Pro Bowl level play out

603
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: of a guy.

604
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: No. I mean, even like the book game in Baltimore

605
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 3: in the regular season this year, No to Shawn Elliott,

606
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: No Dante Jackson, Joey Porter Junior gets hurt. Oh, by

607
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 3: the way, TJ hurt his ankle.

608
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: Was out the game.

609
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,479
Speaker 3: Yet No, just just on the defense. It was, you know,

610
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: a very substantial loss of the continuity and as you said,

611
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: some of them Pro Bowl players. So yeah, I think

612
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: you know, when we went back to Baltimore this year,

613
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, that game the previous season,

614
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: like it was like the rain slash, hail slash, leap splash,

615
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: like just disgusting weather, Like one of the worst weather

616
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 3: games probably that I've been a part of. And then

617
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: it was TJ got hurt, and that you knew you

618
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: were going to Buffalo and you were going to be

619
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: without him, and that he I just remember the week

620
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: before him trying to do everything he could possibly do

621
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: to be able to get himself ready, because I honestly

622
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: think that if they the medical staff would have been like,

623
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: we're going to leave it up to you. TJ would

624
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: have been like let's go, like wrap it up, We're like,

625
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 3: let's go. But unfortunately, you know, you didn't have them

626
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: for that one, and that was not great. And I,

627
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: you know, I think he gets it. He understands how

628
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: difficult it is to play in this league, how difficult

629
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: it is to play at a high level, and that

630
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's single elimination from here on out.

631
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: So yes, you have to think about the four game

632
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 3: losing streak, learn from it, but you do kind of

633
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: have to turn the page and realize that the only

634
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: thing that's going to matter at this point is what

635
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 3: happens tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely well, we'll find out tomorrow night, missye, what exactly

637
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Speaker 2: happens here and if the Steelers are moving on or

638
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Speaker 2: if they are packing up their lockers and heading on

639
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Speaker 2: to next season. We'll see where this goes. But we

640
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Speaker 2: appreciate your time seeing a bit here, Missy. When we

641
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Speaker 2: head on down the Baltimore. But our guest has been

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Speaker 2: Missy Matthews Steelers sideline reporter does a great job with

643
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Speaker 2: us every Friday right here on the drive. He's Matt Williamson.

644
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Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. We'll be back with more right

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Speaker 2: after this.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

648
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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

650
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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and I do have the overall voting for

651
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Speaker 2: the all program. Really interested some several Steelers getting votes.

652
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: And the way this works is you vote. They vote.

653
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: Because there's two teams, they do a first team vote

654
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: and a second team vote. So if you were a voter,

655
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Speaker 2: would you vote for four defensive tackles, two on the

656
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Speaker 2: first team, two on the second team. Okay, and if

657
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Speaker 2: you get a first place vote, that's where three points

658
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: a second place vote is worth one. Gotcha big discrepancy? Okay? Okay.

659
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Speaker 2: So Lamar Jackson was the quarterback quarterback, beating out Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: He got thirty first place votes. Allen got eighteen. Again,

661
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Speaker 2: you only vote for one there, Joe Burrow got two.

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00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: He ends up with two votes, two first place votes,

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Speaker 2: two Okay, I'm only going to mention the first place

664
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Speaker 2: votes unless it's a Steeler. Looking here at the Steelers

665
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 2: players who got votes. No votes for George Pickens. I

666
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: get that a receiver's crowded. Here's the thing, though, Some

667
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: of the guys who got votes on this list included

668
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 2: Jerry Judy got five votes. I don't get the Judy love,

669
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: but that's going back to Pro Bowl. T Higgins got one,

670
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba got one. Courtland Sutton got one,

671
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams got one. I mean, he's on the same

672
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 2: level with all those guys, but he did miss time.

673
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 2: I get it. But yeah, I wonder when the votes

674
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: are cast there at the end of the year. It's

675
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 2: been within the last two weeks, as soon as the

676
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 2: season's over. Okay, so one for zero doesn't help. Doesn't

677
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: say it didn't happen before. We gave yea at center.

678
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: I bet he can vote. We talked about this. Humphrey

679
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: first team, Frank Ragnell second team, Linderbaum was third team.

680
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: He got one first place vote. Humphrey got forty four,

681
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: Ragnew got four. Yeah, I bet Humphrey Cam Jurgen's got

682
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: a first place vote great line. Graham Barton got one vote.

683
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: Tyler Biadis got one vote. Zach Fraser got one vote.

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Speaker 2: I bet that will be the lowest he has in

685
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Speaker 2: five years. Yeah, nobody. Daniel File got three three votes

686
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: at guard and he got a first somebody voted Daniel File.

687
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 2: They gave him a first team All Pro vote. They

688
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: should have their vote taken away. Yeah that's really bad. Yeah,

689
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Speaker 2: they're going to replace him in the offseason. Like, come on,

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious. Who are the guards? Quinn Minors good,

691
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Speaker 2: Chris Linstrom. I was unhappy that Minors was not first

692
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Speaker 2: Team Pro Bowl. Trey Smith and Kevin Zeitler were the

693
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Speaker 2: second team. Got Sam Sam Cosby was a good good

694
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 2: He's coming along and strong. He got a first place vote.

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00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 2: Daniel File got a first place. You should lose your vote.

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00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: Ravens seem to get a little more votes than they shouldn't. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you think right tackle was p a seol By a

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00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: landslide actually over Lane Johnson. Yeah, he got thirty Sewell

699
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: got thirty five votes. Lane Johnson got fifteen edge rushers.

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00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: It was Miles Garrett Henderson. Watt got fourteen first place votes.

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00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Who else? Benito maybe Benito got two, Van Ginkell got two,

702
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: Parsons got one, Jonathan Greener got one, and that is

703
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 2: it for the Parsons and were maybe the best two

704
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 2: they just did one of them played first six games

705
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 2: when played plastic games. And this is the difference. Like

706
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: so when when you look at the Hall of Fame

707
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: voting monitor, they don't say edge rusher. I know. So

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00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 2: those guys are defensive ends and Watson outside linebacker. I

709
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: wonder because there is time there are a lot he

710
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 2: drops in the coverage more than those other guys. He does,

711
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Speaker 2: he does, But that's defense in general is great. Like

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Speaker 2: what and Benito are outside linebackers? Yeah, but they're not

713
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: Jack haam No, but they do. Like there were times

714
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: last week I'm watching the game against Cincinnati where what

715
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: was dropping into coverage? It wasn't that times too? Yeah,

716
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: they drop into coverage. Yeah, they don't just rush the

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00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 2: passer less so than the Lebau days. Yeah yeah, yeah,

718
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Speaker 2: maybe it's five percent, but it's still five percent of

719
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Speaker 2: the time that you're not rushing the passer. Cam Hayward

720
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 2: led all defensive tackles. He was number one, He was

721
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Speaker 2: number one ninety eight overall points and twenty nine first

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Speaker 2: place votes. Chris Jones was second with ninety three and

723
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Speaker 2: twenty six. Zach Allen had sixty four and sixteen. Jyalen

724
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Speaker 2: Carter forty eight and twelve. Leonard Williams got forty one

725
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Speaker 2: and eight. There was a lot of competition this year.

726
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: I know Zach Allen doesn't sound like much. He's had

727
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: an had a great year. Leonard Williams had the best

728
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Speaker 2: year of his career by far. Dexter Lawrence had twenty

729
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 2: four and five. Vidavea thirteen and three. Jeffrey Simmons got

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Speaker 2: eight and one. Matte Bouquet four votes, Zach Siler from

731
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Speaker 2: Miami four votes, Kobe Turner with the Rams three votes.

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Speaker 2: He's a good player. Yuh. At linebacker was Zach Bond

733
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: and Fred Warner. Nice. I'm glad Bond got recognized. He

734
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Speaker 2: was the number one by a runaway. These These are

735
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Speaker 2: so much better than the Pro Bowl votes. Yeah, whoever's

736
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Speaker 2: doing it just knows football better other than voting for lately. Yeah,

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 2: but still the right guard Rokewan Smith was third, Frankie

738
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: Luvu fourth, Bobby Wagner fifth. Is that you're Franklin. A

739
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 2: lot of those I mean, the linebackers really weak right now.

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00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: He got there. He got eight first place votes. That

741
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: was almost all of his Yeah, because he got a

742
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: lot of tackles. Big. Patrick Queen finished with three first

743
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: place votes. Yeah. Robert Splaine got five votes. He's productive. Again,

744
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 2: don't just look at the tackle numbers, Come on, people, Uh.

745
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: Cornerback Joey Porter Junior ended with three second second team

746
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: votes was certained. The top was certain his Stingley, with

747
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Trent McDuff third, Christian Zalees fourth, the best four right

748
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: now and Denzel Ward, Brian Murphy, Byron Murphy. I should

749
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Speaker 2: say Christian Benford, Jalen Johnson, Joey Porter Junior, Quinya Mitchell,

750
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: Sauce Gardner, j C. Horn, Keyshawn Nixon, Jalen Ramsey. That's

751
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: a pretty strong group, yeah, for Porter to be considered

752
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: in that group, right. People who are saying Joey Porter

753
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: Junior had a bad season, he missed a little bit

754
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: of time to just looking at the penalty numbers. I

755
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: guarantee if you went through and looked at the penalty

756
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: numbers on the other guys who are on this list,

757
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: they're high. Yeah, because they're asked to do more than

758
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: your Joe Joe blow corner who can't play press man coverage.

759
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: You play press man coverage, you're going to get more penalties. Yeah. Uh,

760
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: slot cornerbacks, it was Marlon Humphrey over Derwin James Darwin

761
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Speaker 2: James slot corner. That's cheating. Cooper j Jeans is a

762
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: slot cornerback. Devin Witherspoon got. Yeah, James is all over

763
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: the place. I mean he's like Hamilton used, but ye,

764
00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: same defensive scheme. The safeties were Kirby Joseph and Xavier McKinney.

765
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Speaker 2: I have no problem with that, but I bet Maker

766
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: got votes. He did, Kyle Hamilton got and Buddha Baker

767
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: were the second team guys. Making Fitzpatrick finished with seven

768
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: overall points, got one first first team vote. Okay, I

769
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: don't think that's great. And there's nobody in Pittsburgh who

770
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: has a vote on this, by the way, Oh you

771
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 2: did say that, like nobody in Pittsburgh. There's a they're

772
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 2: kind of happens in Pittsburgh.

773
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Boswell. Boswell doubled up Brandon Aubrey for the kicker. So

775
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: Boswall thirty nine first place votes. Aubrey got ten. Wow.

776
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: Good Dicker the kicker had six points, and somebody gave

777
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 2: Chase McLaughlin a first team All Pro vote. Missus McLaughlin. Yeah,

778
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: apparently punters okay, kick returners. Nobody from the Steelers made it.

779
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 2: Dere Cavante Turpin ran away with that one. He got

780
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: all No, there was one. Emir Smith Marcette got a

781
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 2: vote over Turpin. Yeah, verse fifty votes, got forty nine

782
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: of the face chose one. Who's that one? Yeah? Calvin

783
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Austin got two votes as the punt returner. Okay, who

784
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: was the winner, Marvin Mims, He came on pretty strong.

785
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah too. On offense your special teamers Miles Killerbrew got

786
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: two votes there. James Pierre got two votes there. Who's

787
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,760
Speaker 2: the winner? Not that I would even know. Brendan Schooler

788
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: from the Patriots with sixty points or sixty points overall

789
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 2: sixteen first place votes.

790
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: J T.

791
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: Gray from the the Saints had fifteen first place votes.

792
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 2: Jeremy Reeves from Washington at eleven Cadaryl Hodge from Atlanta

793
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: six Ashton Doolan got one first place vote. Tavier or

794
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: Thomas from Tampa Bay got one first place vote. That's

795
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: a tough one' and then the long snappers, Christian Kons

796
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: finishing with three first place votes. Good, he's getting recognized. Yeah,

797
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: those guys just just be consistent, you know, right. Andrew

798
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: Depaula from Minnesota the first the first place vote winner there.

799
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: He got sixteen votes, beating out Ross Mattistic from Jacksonville,

800
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 2: who got fifteen, and that was the difference. Who are

801
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: the first team receivers. I'm sure Jamar Chase is one.

802
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's Jefferson Chase, Jefferson a Mon Rossaint Brown,

803
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: Terry McLaurin. They're the four. They're the four, Okay. I

804
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: can make a case for like a Puka, but I

805
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: mean that's he's up there. He got a good number

806
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 2: of votes. Ceedee lamb A. J. Brown, Brian Thomas. Brian

807
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: Thomas got more love here than he get did for

808
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl team. Uh, Brock Bowers, Yeah, Kittle was second,

809
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 2: Try mcbright third. Those three should be ahead everybody, absolutely,

810
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: But that's where they're at. She was represented pretty well.

811
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Speaker 2: Steelers doing there's some Ravens on there too. Yeah. Absolutely,

812
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 2: But we're gonna get one of the only first teamer Yeah. No,

813
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: they get Patrick Ricard, oh full back. Yeah, it's kind

814
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: of cheating, right, there's like four of in the league.

815
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: He's probably the only first teamer though. Yeah, I'm just

816
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: looking here. Yeah, Rokee one didn't make it more Marlin Humphrey,

817
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: it's a slot. Okay, they got a fullback of slot. Yeah,

818
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: so not quite. Henry was two. Yeah, and no votes

819
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: for at place Kicker none right, right, not so anyways,

820
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: let's get to a break. That's going to do it

821
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Speaker 2: for our number one of the Drive here on the

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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network, we're going to dig in more to

823
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Speaker 2: these playoff games. We're going to pick our DFS lineup

824
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Speaker 2: right after this, and then we'll give you our pick

825
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Speaker 2: on the Steeler game. All that in our number two.

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Speaker 2: Don't you go anywhere. You're listening to the Drive on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network.