WEBVTT - Ashley Judd: Speaking Out Against Sexual Violence

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<v Speaker 1>It takes courage to disrupt harassment while it's happening, and

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<v Speaker 1>it takes agency and voice, and agency and voices what

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<v Speaker 1>all girls and women around the world are entitled to.

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<v Speaker 1>That is Ashley Judd. Over the years, she has become

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<v Speaker 1>as well known for her activism and leadership as she

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<v Speaker 1>is for her a list acting career. In she helped

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<v Speaker 1>ignity firestorm that became the Me Too movement after being

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first women to speak out about sexual

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<v Speaker 1>harassment in Hollywood, and she has continued to crusade on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of social justice. She's a bold advocate for young

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<v Speaker 1>people and for the vulnerable, and she has work to

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<v Speaker 1>stem the global tide of violence against women. I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>land forevere and this is Seneca's one hundred Women to Hear.

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<v Speaker 1>We're bringing you one hundred of the world's most inspiring

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<v Speaker 1>and history making women you need to hear. I sat

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<v Speaker 1>down with Ashley Judd for a conversation as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast Seeking Peace, produced by the Georgetown Institute for Women,

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<v Speaker 1>Peace and Security. Let's listen and learn why Ashley Judd

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<v Speaker 1>is one of Seneca's one hundred Women to Hear. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that you have literally traveled the world, meeting with

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<v Speaker 1>many women and girls, some of whom have been victims

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<v Speaker 1>of sexual violence and human trafficking. Early in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and two, you made your first humanitarian trip to Southeast Asia.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder what happened there? Did it? Did it have

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<v Speaker 1>any particular impact in setting your course going forward? It did?

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was both shattering and profoundly motivating. And

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<v Speaker 1>I really went Milan because I simply was invited. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was in this unique and strange position of being

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<v Speaker 1>a well known person in in America and in some

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the world, and an NGO called Population Services International,

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<v Speaker 1>which has grassroots health programs and about seventy countries around

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<v Speaker 1>the world, had reached out to me and asked if

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<v Speaker 1>I would consider serving as an ambassador, representing in particular

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<v Speaker 1>their HIV AIDS prevention programs. And at the time, I

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<v Speaker 1>was one of one of, if not the highest paid

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<v Speaker 1>female actors in the history of Hollywood, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>something of which I wasn't even cognizant. I had become

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<v Speaker 1>a working star in such a short amount of time,

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<v Speaker 1>with my first movie, Ruby in Paradise, winning the Sundance

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<v Speaker 1>Film Festival. That being in the and that acting world

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<v Speaker 1>was just as abnormal as it can be. It was

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<v Speaker 1>just my normal. But I wasn't particularly happy, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't fulfilled in some significant ways, and I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what was wrong, but I was just kind of sick

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<v Speaker 1>and tired of being sick and tired, and I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that there was more. And I had almost joined the

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<v Speaker 1>Peace Corps when I was twenty two years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>I went to the different jungle, you know, Hollywood instead,

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<v Speaker 1>And so this letter from from Population Services International reaching

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<v Speaker 1>out to me came at a time when I had

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<v Speaker 1>reached the up with which I could no longer put

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<v Speaker 1>in the acting career. And I didn't know if it

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<v Speaker 1>was a feminist agency. And I wrote them back this

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<v Speaker 1>tristis on my beliefs in gender and sexual equality, and

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<v Speaker 1>they said, yes, we're a feminist agency. They kind of

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<v Speaker 1>sort of, I think, laughed a little bit at how

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<v Speaker 1>idealistic and earnest I was. And it was a great match.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said, okay, well your first trip is to

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, brothels and pom pen and to the

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<v Speaker 1>uh International HIV AIDS Conference in Bangkok. And they put

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<v Speaker 1>so much trust in me, and I took that responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>very very seriously. So my very first day was in

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<v Speaker 1>this in this brothel, and I was actually being I

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<v Speaker 1>was more being held by this transgender sex slave than

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<v Speaker 1>I was holding her. And she was just weeping and

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<v Speaker 1>telling me her whole story, and I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my God, all I can do is bear witness to

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<v Speaker 1>this reality and then do my my damn level best

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<v Speaker 1>to share these stories on a global level, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as details about grassroots solutions that can be taken to

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<v Speaker 1>scale that help people and change norms and save lives.

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<v Speaker 1>You know hearing you, and I know personally you have

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<v Speaker 1>been to so many conflict affected areas UM, whether in

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<v Speaker 1>Rwando or South Sudan or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

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<v Speaker 1>You've been to Ukraine where the war still goes on

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<v Speaker 1>in the East. I wonder you meet with the women.

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<v Speaker 1>You understand what they're going through in their lives, the difficulties,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's done to them. But have you also seen

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<v Speaker 1>the impact UM that this violence has on the stability

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<v Speaker 1>of communities and countries. Absolutely, sustainable peace really does begin

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<v Speaker 1>with a woman's bodily integrity and sexual autonomy, her ability

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<v Speaker 1>to be intact, to be whole, not to be violated,

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<v Speaker 1>her ability to regulate her fertility so she can choose

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<v Speaker 1>if and when in how many children to have, her

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<v Speaker 1>ability to access essential sustenance and uh, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to walk to get firewood, to go to

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<v Speaker 1>lasuance and get her water, to be able to go

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<v Speaker 1>to mills and agricultural fields without being raped, and then

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<v Speaker 1>to take products tomorrow get And you know, sexual violence

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<v Speaker 1>and conflict is used to humiliate and control ethnic groups

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<v Speaker 1>and communities. And we also have to link it to

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<v Speaker 1>some really big state factors like failed states, and in

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<v Speaker 1>particular in DRC, the conflict mineral mining that is so

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<v Speaker 1>tremendously horrible in the East and when you know, war

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<v Speaker 1>and instability is profitable for a few, and those profiteers

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<v Speaker 1>are directly linked to the daily mass atrocities that girls

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<v Speaker 1>and women and some boys and men endure. Yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you can talk a little bit more about what

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<v Speaker 1>this hunt, if you will. For minerals, we know that

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<v Speaker 1>the DRC is rich in minerals, and particularly culton, which

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<v Speaker 1>is used in cell phones and other electronics, has led

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<v Speaker 1>to tremendous sexual violence, uh towards women in the region.

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<v Speaker 1>And this conflict has gone on literally for years and years. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no sign that it's ending anytime soon. M have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen solutions for justice that those who are perpetrating

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<v Speaker 1>these crimes are paying for them in some way? The

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<v Speaker 1>situation is both worsening and there are elements and degrees

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<v Speaker 1>of hope. So in in DRC, while there have been

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<v Speaker 1>measures implemented to reduce state violence towards vulnerable people, in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand eighteen of the rapes committed against girls and

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<v Speaker 1>women by police were of girls and women who were

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<v Speaker 1>in custody, So you've got improvements. Yet you still have

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<v Speaker 1>state actors and armed militia perpetrating the violence them selves.

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<v Speaker 1>And there have been some prominent cases of prosecution, but

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<v Speaker 1>the impunity is still largely there for both the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>soldier on the or the armed militia person on the

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<v Speaker 1>grassroots level as well as on the national level. So

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<v Speaker 1>there's a couple of steps forward and a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>steps back. And a lot of the hope I see

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<v Speaker 1>is through safe spaces for girls and women operated by

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<v Speaker 1>agencies like u n f PA, the United Nations Agency

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<v Speaker 1>for Sexual and Reproductive Health, where girls and women can

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<v Speaker 1>come and they can participate in a craft and a

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<v Speaker 1>trade so they can generate some incomes through something that

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<v Speaker 1>they make, and if they're able to have some income,

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<v Speaker 1>they can buy firewood instead of having to go look

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<v Speaker 1>for the firewood. But the psychocial programs are really what

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<v Speaker 1>is so tremendous. There's a lot of trauma help and

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<v Speaker 1>trauma work and trauma resolution that happens in those spaces

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<v Speaker 1>where women can have strong female to female alliances and

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<v Speaker 1>support each other. And there, you know, people get to

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<v Speaker 1>tell their stories as well as sing and dance and

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<v Speaker 1>find that resilience and that joy that is so improbable

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<v Speaker 1>yet really does transform women's hearts and souls. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this blind woman with whom I was visiting

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<v Speaker 1>in South Sudan, and she was quite elderly, and she

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<v Speaker 1>was asking me for some sandals and a blanket, and

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<v Speaker 1>those were not things that I had to give to her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just wrecked over the way she was

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<v Speaker 1>sharing with me, and I started to cry, and she said, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my granddaughter, I can tell that you are crying. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>worry about the sandals and the blanket. You've given me

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<v Speaker 1>your heart, which is the best thing you could have

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<v Speaker 1>given me. And those are the kinds of things that

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<v Speaker 1>can happen in these safe spaces where girls and women

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<v Speaker 1>can come together. Now that that is so real, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just by your recounting it, I can only appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>how much impact it had on you. Senecas one hunter

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<v Speaker 1>women to hear, we'll be back after this short break.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you find it personally so important to advocate

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<v Speaker 1>in this way? I was a vulnerable kid, so I

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's very much embedded in my personal story.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents loved and adored me, and my family didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work particularly well and everyone was very distracted and I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't cared for in the way that I should have been. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>because of my own recovery and my parents beautiful humility

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<v Speaker 1>and accountability, we are getting a massive redo. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my mom and I have a really tender and sweet relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad, I can't even repeat the things that he

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<v Speaker 1>says to me because he's he's just the proudest dad

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<v Speaker 1>in America, let's put it that way. He just loves

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<v Speaker 1>and adores me. And you know, I mentioned that I

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<v Speaker 1>was molested when I was seven. I was also raped

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<v Speaker 1>twice when I was fourteen, and my parents weren't able

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<v Speaker 1>to help or defend me. And so it really has

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<v Speaker 1>become my life's work too, be that advocate for the

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<v Speaker 1>for children, for youth, and for the vulnerable who may

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<v Speaker 1>not otherwise have someone going to bat for them. And

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<v Speaker 1>I also get so excited by the intellectual and practical

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<v Speaker 1>solutions that I see because I'm an idealist and I

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<v Speaker 1>I want peace, and I believe peace is possible, and

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<v Speaker 1>we're not there yet, but peace can start in our

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<v Speaker 1>own thoughts and actions. And I wanted you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>bagvad Gita says, don't worry about the fruit of your actions,

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<v Speaker 1>just do the next good, right, honest thing. There's that

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<v Speaker 1>lovely quote. Even if the world we're going to fall

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<v Speaker 1>apart tomorrow today, I would still plant my apple tree.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just really committed to doing the right thing to

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<v Speaker 1>alleviate suffering in any way that I can. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you've also been recognized as one of the leaders in

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<v Speaker 1>the Me Too movement, and I wonder how you see

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<v Speaker 1>that movement, which is certainly had its impact across the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, but increasingly around the world. Do you see

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<v Speaker 1>a connection between that and the grassroots organizing that's been

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<v Speaker 1>going on. I really do, Milan because when Toronto Burke

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<v Speaker 1>said to herself on a mattress on the floor in

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<v Speaker 1>her apartment twelve years ago, me too, she was tapping

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<v Speaker 1>into that archetypal pan human need to be listened to,

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<v Speaker 1>to be witnessed, to be understood, and to be validated.

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<v Speaker 1>Bob Keegan at the Harvard Graduate School of Education says,

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<v Speaker 1>when we really see another person and witness them, we

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<v Speaker 1>are recruited to their welfare and we can't unsee what

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<v Speaker 1>we have seen. And when women share their stories and

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<v Speaker 1>have the identification, there's something strengthening about that acknowledgement that

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<v Speaker 1>allows for a little healing and a little possibility to

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<v Speaker 1>enter in that kind of dialogue. You know, they're the

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness raising sharing circles. You know, from feminism in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies. There's just a power in it that I

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't over I can neither explain it adequately

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<v Speaker 1>nor overstate how important it is. And in South Sudan,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we essentially had women's march in a refugee camp.

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<v Speaker 1>We were singing and stomping and dancing in the space,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, we were raising a kind of high

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<v Speaker 1>holy hell. And that's what me too, is about reclaim,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy and radical community healing. Yeah, that's again so well put.

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<v Speaker 1>In conclusion, let me just raise the two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen Nobel Peace Prize because it was awarded to a

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<v Speaker 1>Yazdi rape survivor and activist, Nadia Murad, someone we've come

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<v Speaker 1>to know at Georgetown, as well as the Congolese gynecologist

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Dennis mcgreeggy, and I, like so many, saw this

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<v Speaker 1>award as something that can be truly inspirational besides something

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<v Speaker 1>that was well deserved by the two of them, because

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<v Speaker 1>it really recognized how sexual abuse is being used as

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<v Speaker 1>a tool of conflict and why it critically needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be addressed. And I wonder if that Nobel Peace Prize

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<v Speaker 1>award to them, how you felt about that, and also

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<v Speaker 1>whether you think it can help in some ways to

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<v Speaker 1>mobilize the international community around these issues in the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of way that you've been discussing in our conversation here.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt a lot of awe and joy in the

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<v Speaker 1>Nobel Peace Prize being awarded to those individuals, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it does critically raise global awareness about the use

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<v Speaker 1>of sexual violence and conflict. And I've had the pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>of meeting Dr McCaughey a few times, and I visited

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<v Speaker 1>his clinic and actually attended fishual repair surgery in the clinic,

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, is a really eye opening experience because

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<v Speaker 1>they're washing up preparing for, you know, a really invasive

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<v Speaker 1>surgery in the vagina with a bar of soap and

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<v Speaker 1>water that came from it's in a pail that came

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<v Speaker 1>from the river, and the electricity went out a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times during the surgery. And knowing that the Nobel

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<v Speaker 1>commit recognizes individuals who are both survivors themselves and helpers

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<v Speaker 1>who whose life work is prioritizing the healing of survivors,

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<v Speaker 1>makes a deep statement to all of us that it's

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<v Speaker 1>something about which we should care. It's historically tragic and wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can be on the right side of history

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<v Speaker 1>by doing everything in our might to eradicate sexual violence. Well, Ashley,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for this, for taking the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep up that idealism that you mentioned that you so

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<v Speaker 1>feel deeply, keep inspiring, inspiring us, inspiring so many with

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<v Speaker 1>whom you meet in very difficult circumstances around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep making a difference. Thank you so much. You're

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<v Speaker 1>very kind to me. Milan, Thank you. That is true.

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<v Speaker 1>Current Ashley Judd has much to teach us about finding

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<v Speaker 1>our voice and speaking out on behalf of others. Three

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<v Speaker 1>things stick with me for my conversation with Ashley Judd.

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<v Speaker 1>When you know what your purpose is, you can find

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<v Speaker 1>the strength to make change in yourself and the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Judd has had a high profile Hollywood career, but

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't enough. She found her true purpose working on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of the exploited and vulnerable. Second, Ashley reminds us

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<v Speaker 1>how much good we can do simply by recognizing other

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<v Speaker 1>people's needs. As she said, there is a human need

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<v Speaker 1>to be listened to, to be witnessed, to be understood,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be validated. Finally, we can achieve peace in

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Ashley tells us that it starts in our

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<v Speaker 1>own thoughts and actions, as she said, and just do

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<v Speaker 1>the next good, honest thing. You can hear more conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with women leaders who are making change on the Seeking

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<v Speaker 1>Peace podcast from the Georgetown Institute for Women, Peace and Security,

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