1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Jetty. 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 3: The family of one of the victims killed in last 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: year's mass shooting at Florida State University is suing chat 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: gpt maker open Ai, claiming the company's artificial intelligence was 7 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 3: an active participant in helping the suspected killer plan the attack. 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 4: He literally utilized open ai and chat gpt is his 9 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 4: co conspirator. Okay, so this story got my attention yesterday. 10 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: I'm going to be listening to ABC News when here 11 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 4: Thomas started into this, and let's listen more. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 5: We will discuss the new lawsuit claims that I can 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 5: to use chat gpt to explain to him how to 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 5: load and operate a shotgun, including how to turn the 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 5: safety back off. At one point the lawsuit, the ledges 16 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 5: the shooter ask how many fatalities would take to get 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 5: the most attention. According to the lawsuit, chat gpt responded 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 5: replying that he was much more likely to get media 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 5: coverage if children are involved. 20 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 2: Even two to three victims can draw more attention. Uh, 21 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: let me just say this very quickly. If you've ever 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: had a doubt about our theory that idiots losers are 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: buying their gripes being publicized with blood, here's a guy 24 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: who just came out and said it. He said, Look, 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: I want my gripes to be known. How many people 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: do I got to kill? 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 4: You know, that's an excellent point. We have talked about 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 4: that a lot over the years. We're like the only 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 4: people that seem to talk about that. Hey, media, when 30 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: you put their face on there and read their manifesto, 31 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: you realize you're just sending the message to other lunatics 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: that if you want your face on TV and for 33 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 4: someone to hear what you're going, I'm sorry about how 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 4: much you hate high school or your wife, or your 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 4: job or your coworkers or whatever, you. 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 2: Got to kill a certain number of people. 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: You're just reinforcing that right, that that is actually a 38 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 4: better story than the AI think. 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: They bribed you with blood. See, you can get ratings, 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: you monsters. 41 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, maybe we'll come back to that or now, 42 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: but this is interesting on its own. 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: Sure, well, let's roll on. Then we'll discuss now just well, 44 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: we can finish it and go back whatever you get 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 2: back to their report. 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, open AI denies responsibilities, saying, in this case, chat 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: GPT provided factual responses to questions with information that could 48 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 5: be found broadly across public sources on the Internet, and 49 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 5: it did not encourage or promote illegal or harmful activity. 50 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, the Florida Attorney General made a pretty decent 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 4: point here. 52 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 5: Florida's Attorney General stating if chat GPT were a person, 53 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 5: it would be facing charges. 54 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 2: For murder, aiding in a betting instructing. Yeah. 55 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: If I was a guy that showed him how to 56 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 4: load a gun and told him how many people I 57 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 4: thought he needed to kill, I would be in trouble. 58 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: Also, if he later made it clear that he was 59 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 2: thinking of slaughtering people and you didn't report it. 60 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: Did he make that clear? I mean, because that's separate. 61 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 4: You could you could ask a question without making it 62 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: clear that you were going. 63 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: To do it right right, how many people do you. 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 4: Think a mass shooter needs to kill to get media attention? 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: I can see asking that question just out of curiosity. 66 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And the mechanical stuff about how do you take 67 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 2: the safety off in all plice that's utterly defensible. That's 68 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: just kill us. 69 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 4: I mean, we can't have AI or a library or 70 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 4: encyclopedias or the internet. 71 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: If you're going to outlaw that, you got to keep 72 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 2: in mind. You can't be cynical enough about plaintiff's attorneys. 73 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: They don't care about right or wrong, or whether we 74 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 2: have the internet. They think, I'll bet we can get 75 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 2: this company to pay. That's it. That's what they think 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 2: about when they go to bed at night. Then when 77 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 2: they spring out of bed in the morning and put 78 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: their cloven hoofs in their dress shoes. And yes, my 79 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 2: daughter's in law school, that's what they think about. Now 80 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: you can be lecturing judges and juries. I guess that'd 81 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 2: be well placed project this crap. 82 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I could picture a jury buying that because a 83 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 4: lot of juries are stupid. 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: I could see, given my slash are passionate belief that 85 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: the whole mass killer thing in media thing is what 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 2: we just described. I could see researching how many people 87 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: do you have to kill to get on the network 88 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 2: news where they describe what you are mad about, and 89 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: digging into that just to make the point more strongly 90 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 2: on the show. Now, obviously this guy wanted to do 91 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 2: precisely what he was talking about. So I don't know. 92 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 4: I just can't imagine any any world where the Internet exists. 93 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 4: He could have done this without AI. He could have 94 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: done this very same thing with just Google ten years ago, 95 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 4: before AI came on. He could have learned how to 96 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 4: certainly could have learned how to load a shotgun and 97 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 4: take this and to take the safety off. 98 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: What a stupid detail. Yeah, well that's Eastern media. Lady's 99 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 2: never held a gun in his hand. By the way, Pierre, 100 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: why that mustache, that tiny little mustache. What's going on 101 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 2: with that? Plays? You're gonna grow a stash? Grow a stash? 102 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 2: Where were we? Yes, perfectly reasonable critique. Yes, in the 103 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: past they would have used his googles as a as evidence, 104 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: but they never would have tried to gon DARPITCHAI out 105 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 2: of his office and put cuffs on him. 106 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 107 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's troubling, ye, What I'm trying to 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: come up with like a borderline case that's clearly guilty. 109 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 4: How I don't even know if we got to hear 110 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 4: Let me use an extreme example. 111 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: I don't even know if we could police this or 112 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 2: should police this. 113 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 4: What if a person is having ruminating with their chatbot 114 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 4: about I think I'm going to shoot up a school. 115 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 4: I'm miserable and I want everybody to know how mad 116 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 4: I am my ex wife, Right, so I'm going to 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 4: shoot up a school. Should open AI or Anthropic or 118 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: whatever company have some sort of mechanism where the. 119 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: Police are alerted? Yes, yeah, I think so. I don't 120 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: know if that's even possible, though, well, I think it 121 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: is possible. The problem is, and bad people have figured 122 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 2: this out. I'm writing a novel about Uh, there you go, clever, 123 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: You've you've fooled it, and that would be enough, right, right, 124 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I want to and I hate to 125 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: even talk about this sort of thing because it's terrible. 126 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: I want to rape my neighbor. How do you suggest 127 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: I get into the house most stealthily at night? If 128 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: somebody was just that straightforward and didn't even use the 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: I'm writing a novel, pose or whatever, what then I 130 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: would I'd h So. 131 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 4: You alert the police and then you come to my house, 132 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: say yeah, I was wondering how to make sure nobody 133 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: could get into my house. 134 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but then if you committed the crime though, 135 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: and that was found, we're talking about prosecution after the fact. 136 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: So I'm Sorry, you'd been talking about preemptive warning. I'm 137 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: talking about prosecution. Now, could you sue chat GPT? I 138 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: just for giving me detailed instructions on how to, you know, 139 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: I just think there's too many examples. I don't see 140 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 2: how we could make the chatbots alert the police on 141 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: every single one of these. Right. Well, okay, we're talking 142 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 2: about two different things, so I think, well, what do 143 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: you know? 144 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 4: Well, what so if you're going to have them, you're 145 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 4: you're wanting to sue the chatbot afterwards, right, But then 146 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 4: how are they going to stop that from happening? 147 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: They have to design a zillion lines of code that 148 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: say I won't answer that question. But then again, it's 149 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: easily gotten around. 150 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 4: Well, we talked about this a little on the One 151 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 4: More Thing podcast. That's why, for instance, Anthropic, which is 152 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 4: the most conscientious of the chat. 153 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: Bots, almost to the point of absurdity. 154 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 4: Dariol Moody, he's got seven two hundred lines of rules. 155 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 4: I would guess on Claude, if you said how many 156 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: people would I have to shoot to get the media's attention, 157 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: something would happen. It wouldn't answer that question or something. 158 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: Groc only has two hundred lines compared to the seven 159 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: thousand nonthropic on limits of things you can do. Then 160 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 4: chat GPT had lines like do not. 161 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: Mention apossum raccoon, raccoon, that's right, unless you're specifically asked 162 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: about raccoons. 163 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 4: Because it had some sort of problem when it kept 164 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 4: working raccoons in the answers or something. I don't know, anyway, 165 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 4: I just I just don't know how there's any policing 166 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 4: any of this. 167 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: Somebody must have dropped some code in there just to 168 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 2: be funny. Anyway. Oh, back to the more serious topic. Eh, yeah, 169 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, boy, So say you're talking to 170 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: somebody at a bar. 171 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 4: You're a scumbag and you're talking to your scumbags at 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 4: your scumbag bars. Yes, I've been to scumbag bars, Yes, 173 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 4: full of scumbags, cheap beer. But you're talking to this 174 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: you know, I don't know anybody, this scumbaggy. But you're saying, 175 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 4: you know, I'm thinking of shooting up a school or 176 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 4: something like that. How many people you suppose I had 177 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 4: a kounty, they have to go. 178 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 2: To the police. They probably would go to the police. 179 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: I would go to the police. 180 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, But if they didn't go to the police and 181 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 4: you did that. 182 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: Are they on the hook for something? If you said 183 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: I didn't think he was serious, he was drunk. I 184 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 2: don't know what he says, all kinds of crap over 185 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: these years, and he's never done anything right. Right, I'd 186 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: have to read the statute because if it was a 187 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: hypothetical conversation then no, of course not. It's a protected speech, right. 188 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: So I don't know how this is all gonna work. 189 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 5: Oh. 190 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: Final note on this topic though, keep in mind that 191 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: right and wrong really don't have a lot to do 192 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: with this. These are civil suits where people are looking 193 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: to get paid. Sometimes you deserve justice of some sort 194 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 2: because you have been wronged, of course, true, But it's. 195 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 4: Going to set some sort of precedent and also for 196 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 4: what people what our expectations are I think for these 197 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: chatbots as a society. Yeah, and also the chatbots themselves, 198 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 4: if they have to pay off, they're gonna make some 199 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 4: rules internally of what we allow our chatbot to do. 200 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to influence their coding, right. 201 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 5: I don't. 202 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: I just like it seems stupid to me. We use 203 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 4: this example yesterday on some of the chatbots. If I 204 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 4: say I'd like the lyrics. Who you know, name a 205 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: popular song, and some chatbots will say I can't give 206 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: those to you, they're copyrighted, which is hilarious because you 207 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: can go to gazillion sites and get the lyrics. I 208 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 4: don't want all chatbots to end up like that, like 209 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 4: practically every question you ask and that's copyrighted. 210 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: That could lead to a crime, that could whatever, right, 211 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: and that's how you end up with raccoons in your attic. 212 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm doing it now too. You have to 213 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: listen to the One More Thing podcast from yesterday. It 214 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 2: it's entertaining and very interesting. I agree, yeah, little self promotion, 215 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 2: but it's true. I enjoy the heck out of it. 216 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty One More Thing automatically downloads if you 217 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 2: subscribe to Armstrong and Getty on demand. Cool. We got 218 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 2: more on the ways to hear. 219 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: Strong. 220 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 4: I don't admit, as a man, there's one word I 221 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 4: would not want to be described as. 222 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 2: It's frail. Yes, are you frail? Frailty is like the 223 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: number one sign of not aging well and it all 224 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: it's always been just the eyeball. Yeh, it looks kind 225 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: of frail. Now they actually have ways to assess that 226 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: and try to help you not be that. Well, are 227 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: you frail find out coming up? Yeah? I want to know. 228 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: Here's my favorite headline of the day, Susie Wiles, chief staffer. 229 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: Trump email from Susie Wiles warning White House staffers not 230 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: to leak is leaked. Oof. 231 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 4: I'd be so frustrating. I guess every White House deals 232 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: with it. 233 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: You write an email you can't leak stuff, and somebody 234 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: leaks that. 235 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 4: It would make you so mad when you and make 236 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 4: you paranoid and you realize you couldn't trust people. 237 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 238 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, including I'm reading that John Adams book or whatever. 239 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 4: Alexander Hamilton leaking some stuff Washington said to try to, 240 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 4: you know, maneuver things around the election. 241 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: Everything. I get you, I mean, even the very top 242 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: level of founding fathers did it. Yeah. Yeah, Well, speaking 243 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: of reportage, I found this that's interesting. I've never seen 244 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: this website before in my life, but they had a 245 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: forum where sixteen Washington Post veterans to talked about what 246 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: they would change about DC journalism. And you might recognize 247 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: some of the names, some big names, you know, some 248 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 2: insufferable lefties, some much more moderate people, but more door 249 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: to door reporting, fewer suits yelling at each other on TV. 250 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: The one guy says, you know, more real life stuff 251 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 2: than stuff that affects people. Anytime you see suits yelling 252 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: at each other on TV, you know you're being fed 253 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: cheap swill, not healthy journalism, slop as they call it, 254 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 2: punditry and partisan potshots or distractions from the harder work 255 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: of gumshoe reporting, the kind that happens door to door, 256 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 2: not by email, not through AI, and not at news conferences. 257 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 4: Well, I would say that whole suit's yelling at each 258 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 4: other thing. Yeah, everybody caught on. That's why nobody watches. Yeah, 259 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: nobody watches that stuff. You got to realize, I gotta realize. 260 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: Mark Fisher said that longtime writer editor more deep dives 261 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: on boring, neglected topics. 262 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough one. Although if you got no 263 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 4: audience already, why not do an hour on the debt? Well, 264 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 4: nobody's nobody's watching anyway. 265 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: This guy did a huge, like year long dig into 266 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 2: real estate easements, but he said it was fascinating when 267 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: he finally produced the piece. But nobody has a budget 268 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 2: like that. Uh, this one chick says chick. Joseph Joseph. 269 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: This woman a respected journalist. I call the guys dudes. 270 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: It's the same, I think so anyway, Uh, she says, 271 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 2: treat lies aways. 272 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: We didn't get a job because of that very issue. 273 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: When was that again, We're gonna go work for the 274 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: zone the Uh that was like the alternative music station, right, 275 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 4: And I said chicks, and so they wouldn't irons. Yeah, stupid, 276 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 4: I thought, really stupid, nice job. Wait pass honest idiots, 277 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: never forget. 278 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 2: That thirty years ago. Yeah, and we've been number one since. Anyway. 279 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 2: Treat lies like obscenities, don't, you know, bleep them in essence, 280 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: don't repeat them. Yeah, there's a little eye of the beholder. Yeah. Yeah, 281 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 2: let's see more leaders who inspire in journalism. Good luck 282 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 2: with that, more coverage of everywhere else. Get out of Washington, 283 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 2: d C. I beg of you, Yeah, said this one 284 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: pop culture reporter. DC. Journalism, like all the big industries 285 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: in this town, would benefit immensely from popping the bubble 286 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 2: of the nation's capital every once in a while. 287 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 288 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, democracy dies in darkness and blah blah blah, we 289 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 2: get it. What happens here on regular old Tuesday morning, 290 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: as national and global consequences. Blah blah blah blah bah. 291 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: And I think she makes the point. And one of 292 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: the other writers, this is one of my favorites, said 293 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: something similar was for mandatory sabbaticals. Aaron Weiener or he 294 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 2: probably he may pronounce it Winer because he was in 295 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: the Berlin bureau for years and years. If I could 296 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 2: make one change to DC journalism and be a durable 297 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: business model, oh, if I can make one remotely viable change, 298 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: should be mandatory semi annual sabbaticals. A certain myopia infects 299 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: anyone who is doing the same thing for too long. 300 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 2: In myopia is a plague level off fliction when it 301 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 2: comes to journalism. Being in Berlin has given me so 302 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: much perspective on what DC journalism gets right and wrong. 303 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 2: But even short vacations can do the trick. You're gonna 304 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: love this, Jack. I remember once taking a vacation with 305 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: my family, then returning to work during Senate confirmation hearings 306 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: for a candidate. It was obviously going to get voted through, 307 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: yet the entire city was focused on covering every detail 308 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: of the hearings. With a modicum of outside perspective, I 309 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 2: was able to ask why does this matter? It's something 310 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: I would have had trouble doing if I'd been fully 311 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: immersed in the coverage. Get out of town from time 312 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: to time. It does wonders for the mind and for 313 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: the work. 314 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, every time I go on vacation, I think about 315 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: the stories we would have talked about that I don't 316 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 4: even hear about. It would have been the story of 317 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 4: the day, and a week later, doesn't matter that it 318 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: even happened. Yeah, because it wasn't actually important. 319 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 2: Yep, agreed. So where we're going to talk about whether 320 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 2: you're frail or not? That's important? Oh my gosh, Yes, 321 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 2: more than some stupid hearing or two idiot congressmen yelling 322 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 2: at each other, armstrong and getdy. 323 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,719 Speaker 6: Some people have fewer sunrises to look forward to than 324 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 6: the rest of us. Their health is fine, they just 325 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 6: live in Alaska. And after this sunrise at two fifty 326 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 6: seven AM Sunday in northern Alaska, the sun won't set 327 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 6: at that latitude again. 328 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: For eighty four days. 329 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 6: That part of the earth three hundred miles north of 330 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 6: the Arctic Circle is now tilted most directly toward the sun, so. 331 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: No sunset for eighty four days. I remember one time, 332 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 4: I was on a trip in Canada, way up far 333 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: in the summertime and sitting around a campfire and it 334 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 4: was still light at eleven o'clock at night, and it 335 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 4: was so weird. 336 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was awesome, but it was it was just weird. 337 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 2: It's like, look at my watch, it's eleven o'clock. I 338 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: can't imagine what that's like and what that does to 339 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 2: your system. And then in the winter time you get 340 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 2: like two hours of son or something like that. Yeah, 341 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 2: all day long. Yeah, I don't know. I'd considered moving 342 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: to far North Alaska, but I'm thinking maybe not. Are 343 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: you frail, friends, I certainly hope not. Institution he is 344 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 2: clearly is uh. For the longest time, doctors would diagnose 345 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: frailty largely based on giving you a look. See you'll 346 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 2: know when you see it. They used to actually say 347 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 2: in medical school, which is just a crude way of saying, 348 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: frail people look frail. Yeah, that's the way I would 349 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 2: go with it. Yeah, But now they're trying to get 350 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,360 Speaker 2: more scientific and objective about frailty because it's an important 351 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 2: concept as you get older, which a predictor of dying. Yeah, 352 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, and having all sorts of problems that 353 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 2: might you know, might not shove you through death door, 354 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: but it'll certainly put you on the doorstep. 355 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 4: And except for you know, people who walk in front 356 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 4: of airplanes and whatnot, we're all trying not to die. 357 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: Right exactly. I've now seen that video eight hundred times 358 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: without trying. So here's how they define frailty, how it 359 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 2: differs from normal aging, et cetera. Doctors generally defined frailty 360 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: is having more vulnerability and less resilience to health events, 361 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: so you're more likely to fall, more likely to be hospitalized, 362 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 2: to need long term care, or croaking. The ultimate frailty. Oh, 363 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 2: you can think of frailty as rapid aging or more 364 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: rapid aging than your peers, as a different saw bones 365 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 2: Estimates vary, but according to one twenty twenty global survey, globally, 366 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 2: about eleven percent of adults in their fifties qualify as frail. 367 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 2: What percent? Eleven? One out of ten person in their 368 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: people in their fifties are frail. I wish there were 369 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 2: a way to enact our long ago announced principle that 370 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: you've got to tell people what the percentage is about 371 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 2: before you give the number, because people don't make a 372 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: mental note of a number that they don't know what 373 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 2: it's describing. 374 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 4: True, Yes, that is one hundred percent, Drew, I don't 375 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: do it. I wish I would remember. 376 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 2: Nobody does it in print, right, So I'm gonna try 377 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: it that way. According to the Big Survey, among people 378 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 2: in their fifties, eleven percent of them qualified as frail, 379 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: while people ninety or older fifty one percent of them 380 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: or considered frail. 381 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 4: Wow, that first number a high, and that the second 382 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: number seems low. 383 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: Only half of people in their nineties are frail. Remember 384 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: it varies as you age, but still in your nineties, 385 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: I would think, yeah, even for your age. 386 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what the standard is frail for 387 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 4: your age at ninety. My dad's definitely not frail for 388 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: his age, Yeah, definitely not. 389 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 2: Doctors think of frailty as a spectrum, starting with the 390 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: pre frailty stage. How do you know if you're frail? 391 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: There are two main methods of diagnosing frailty. One focuses 392 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 2: on older adults. Physical abilities, uses a series short tests 393 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 2: including grip strength oh please, grip strength, I can crush 394 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: rocks in my mighty hands, grip strength okay, and walking speed, 395 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: I walk really fast to evaluate five key traits weakness, slowness, exhaustion, 396 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 2: physical inactivity, and unintentional weight loss. Oh, if people have three, four, 397 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: or five of these traits, they're diagnosed as frail. Having 398 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: one or two of them qualifies as free pre frail. Rather, 399 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: the other diagnostic framework, called the deficit accumulation model, takes 400 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: a more holistic approach. A provider diagnosed, I'm sorry, just 401 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 2: do that to amuse myself, change my tone of voice 402 00:21:55,280 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 2: like newscasters do. There were forty four victims. A dog 403 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 2: gave birth to fifteen puppies. Anyway, Sorry, just amusing myself. 404 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 2: So the other more holistic thing, a provider diagnoses frailty 405 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 2: based on the number of health conditions a patient has, 406 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 2: like high blood pressure, mild cognitive impairment. The model can 407 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: also include a person's own view of their health, their 408 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 2: ability to perform complicated everyday tasks such as driving. And 409 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 2: then they give you, like a decimal score. 410 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 4: Give me that list from before of the that had 411 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 4: the speed you walk that list. 412 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 2: What did you say three out of five of them? 413 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 2: Or makes your frail three, four or five? Your frail? 414 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: Having one or two qualifies you as pre frail. How's 415 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: your grip strength? I don't know. I mean this empty 416 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: aluminum can compared to compared to what it used to 417 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: be for me, compared to other people my age. I 418 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 2: wouldn't have the slightest idea they have a scale. Okay, 419 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I'd say, if you 420 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: can't even dent an aluminum can, they're probably hurting. Then 421 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: they go with walking speed still come to me to 422 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 2: open jars, So I guess I'm doing that. There you go, 423 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: well done, sir, walking speed. 424 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 4: I walk super fast. My kids complaining about all the time, 425 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 4: why are we running? 426 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: Dad? 427 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, life is short, I say, let's go. You're anti frail. 428 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: But they want to measure weakness, check slowness. Oh please, 429 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,479 Speaker 2: you can't detect any motion when you're looking at me 430 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: most of the time. Exhaustion, physical inactivity, and unintentional weight loss. 431 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 2: I'm pretty active and all that. And then but I catch. 432 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: Every single disease that comes my way. I mean, they 433 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 4: say haunted doesn't spread easily. I could catch it every cold. 434 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 4: But you know, I've always been that way. 435 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 2: How to become frail as obvious, you know, cardiovascular and 436 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: strength training you've got to do it. I'm so happy 437 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: my wife has embraced that. 438 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: Now the factory burnt down with everything in it. The 439 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 4: world's shortest giraffe is boom. I'm working on that. All right, 440 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 4: here's the scary part. 441 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: All right, here's the scary part. As we age, are 442 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: our physiological reserve across the number of the body systems 443 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: declines naturally, said a doctor. The more illness you experience, 444 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 2: there is a more rapid decline in that physiological reserve. 445 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: Oh but there's an underlying natural rate that we all have. 446 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: They think too much muscle loss may cause a domino 447 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 2: effect that leads to frailty. As people get weaker, they 448 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 2: also typically move slower. Those combined changes can cause someone 449 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 2: to pair back their exercise level. As people become less 450 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: active and more deconditioned, they actually develop more of a 451 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: sense of fatigue and low energy. Finally, people consume fewer 452 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: and fewer calories because their bodies are less active, they 453 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: start to lose weight. Once you're frail, it's difficult to 454 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: reverse course, so they emphasize early intervention and prevention. You know, 455 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: just move, get up and move, exercise strength, train and 456 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 2: get a couple of dumb bells from the used sports 457 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: equipment store. 458 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: Not. 459 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 4: The only thing you can do about muscle losses you 460 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 4: get older is don't lose it in the first place, 461 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 4: because if you do, it's right right. 462 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: Well, I work like crazy having had both hips replaced 463 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: on strength and flexibility now, because I hadn't realized how 464 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 2: weak and inflexible i'd become now. Politically, I've always been inflexible, 465 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: but physically not so much. At one point, I tripped 466 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: over something. I just like stumbled over something and I 467 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: should have been able to save it easily and ended 468 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 2: up on my arth and I thought, oh, yeah, that 469 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 2: was a real wake up call. So what are you 470 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: gonna do? Don't be frail? Don't be frail, that's your suggestion. 471 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: Don't be free when it comes to frailty, don't be 472 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: yeah waked? Thank you? So how Yeah? 473 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I I agree completely that we can play 474 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 4: a role in these things with exercise and diet, But yeah, man, 475 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 4: certainly seems a certain percentage of it is just your 476 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 4: lot in life. 477 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I remember sitting around with a handful of 478 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: guys who were smoking cigars, at least two of whom 479 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: were physicians, and I said, don't you worry about mouth 480 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: cancer at all? They said, here's how you avoid cancer. 481 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: Have the right genes. Right now, you can't laugh in 482 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 2: the face of that and be a complete, you know, 483 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: a hole to your body. But that's a huge factor. 484 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 4: I've repeated this many, many times. It happened to be 485 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 4: in the Wall Street Journal right when I got cancer. 486 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 4: Number one cause of cancer. 487 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: Bad luck. It's still the most likely factor. Wow, So 488 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: it's just guess you were set to have it. 489 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 4: Even that's really quite amazing, even you know, given half 490 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: a million deaths every year that you can link to 491 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: smoking and obesity, cancer to bing like that. Yeah, there 492 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 4: are things that nudge you toward cancer, but it's still 493 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 4: mostly bad luck. 494 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 2: Genetically then well, right, and there are things if you 495 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: have that bad luck genetically you do that. Your dad, 496 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: the guy next to you, Keith richards Well, will outlive 497 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 2: us all. He's human cockroach, a great guitar player. But yeah, yeah, 498 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: that's a huge part. I wish you could get a 499 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: genetic task where they'd say, oh, no, no, no, no, 500 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: you're practically do you. I wonder about that because then 501 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: I would just be completely irresponsible. 502 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 4: I've got a friend like I'm not aware of all 503 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 4: the technological advancements because I don't have anything like this 504 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 4: in my family. But I get a friend his family 505 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 4: has the gene for some horrifying health malady. I don't 506 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,479 Speaker 4: remember what it is, but a really bad one that 507 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 4: is going to take you out early. And and he 508 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 4: got check for it. And he doesn't have it, but 509 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: his brother does. Oh would you rather know that or not? Boy, 510 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 4: that's a heavy one. 511 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: I know. 512 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 2: I think I'd rather not. I would have to think 513 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 2: about it. I've known people with that attitude teach their own. 514 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: There's the harding I can do about it. I'd rather not. 515 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: Would you like to, you know, spend eye money? Not 516 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 2: put stuff off? You know, just because we all have 517 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: like a half thought about internal timeline when and how 518 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,360 Speaker 2: we're going to live our lives. Some people make him 519 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: live a crazy lifestyle, though. 520 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 4: The two most glaring examples that I know of are 521 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 4: Teddy Roosevelt and Mickey Mental. Mickey Mental partied like a 522 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 4: lunatic because all the males in his family died like 523 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 4: when they're forty five, so he didn't think he had 524 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: long so he just lived this crazy, out of control life. Yeah, 525 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 4: and Teddy Roosevelt to a certain extent, did the same thing, 526 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 4: although he didn't he didn't end up a drunk. 527 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 2: He ended up president of the United States. But yeah, yeah, 528 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 2: you know, fighting Buffalo and all the things that he 529 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: wanted to do because he didn't think he was going 530 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 2: to live very long, right, Yeah, because the men in 531 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: his family died so young. So I don't know, I 532 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 2: don't know, you could go both ways. Yeah, oh heavy man, heavy, 533 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 2: ponderous man's ponderous life and death death life. 534 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 4: I think, like maybe even my kids generation, everybody's gonna 535 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: have to answer that question because when I get that 536 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 4: whole genome thing nailed down and it's cheap enough for 537 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 4: everybody to do, oh yeah, everybody's gonna have that be 538 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 4: faced with that. 539 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: Do you want to know every single thing or not? Well, 540 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: they have that with some of the like insidious forms 541 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: of breast cancer that gals get, and some of them 542 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 2: get the preemptive double mistectomy to you know, save their lives, 543 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: which is terrible, but yeah, I get it. Yeah, much 544 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: less heavy note. So it gets to be a certain 545 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: hour in the studio and let's make a deal. Was 546 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: on and uh with Wayne Brady. Yeah, there was a 547 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 2: gal just as a I don't know, like a insect 548 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: or a fairy or something. She had wings and she 549 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: I can't tell, or a fairy, probably a fairy, uh, 550 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 2: but you could tell. She was of modest means, okay, and. 551 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 4: She'd want the only way you can get people to 552 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 4: jump up and down with excitement, on let's make a deal. 553 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: Well exactly, she'd won some stuff and she had the 554 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 2: chance to go for it all and win ten thousand dollars. 555 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 2: And this was an enormous thing for her. Ten thousand dollars. 556 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 2: And depending on who you are and how you're doing now, 557 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: nobody would turn down ten thousand dollars. But it obviously 558 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 2: meant an enormous amount to this woman. And she rolled 559 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: the dice of fate or whatever the hell they call 560 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: it that she had her own, and it immediately came 561 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 2: up red. She lost, lost the money LOSTA was it, 562 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 2: Wayne Brady? To Wayne, give her to ten grand? You 563 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: would miss it, She's Louise, give it to her out 564 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 2: of your own pocket or the shows, but slip it 565 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 2: to her on her way out there killing. 566 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 4: Well, since she'd only get to keep five, probably, come on, 567 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 4: Wayne Brady, give her, give her five grand. 568 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: I don't need to see some the woman who probably 569 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: has the government cheese losing ten grand for my entertainment. 570 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: That was not enjoyable. Wayne, wo'd you drive to work today? 571 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: What do you get paid for this episode? Gar Rims 572 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: cost ten thousand dollars? Peel off a couple of benjamins 573 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: for the nice lady. Damn, this is just cruel. It 574 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 2: struck me. Is cruel, not entertaining. We will finish strong 575 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: next time. 576 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: Armstrong, The Armstrong and Getty Show. 577 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: If you're an NBA fan I am. 578 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: I'll probably start watching the playoffs next round the conference championships. 579 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 4: It's it's likely to be Nicks versus Oklahoma City, and 580 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 4: the whole New York media thing is going to be insufferable. 581 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 4: It's gonna it's very hard to root for New York 582 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 4: teams because all the movie stars and every pundit is 583 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 4: rooting for him, and it's just, oh, it's hard. 584 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: There's something beautiful about Oak City. I know, eating New York. 585 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 2: I know, I know that's going to be so American. Yeah, 586 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 2: it's going to be so awesome. Yeah. 587 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 4: Anyway, Lakers got swept and it's a lot of chatter 588 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 4: today for NBA fans of whether or not Lebron should retire. 589 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: He's passed suprom. 590 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 4: I just looked it up a couple of different publications 591 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 4: that rank all the players in the NBA. He's still 592 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 4: a top twenty player in the league with his stats 593 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 4: at age forty one, which is freaking amazing. Wow, because 594 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: Kobe retired at thirty nine or something, he was like 595 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 4: the ninety ninth best players last year. 596 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: It's really quite amazing. AnyWho got to play with his 597 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 2: boy I know that was his big goals. Yeah, yeah, 598 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 2: I would think at some point the grind of it. 599 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: But the travel, the travel, yeah, uh oh. 600 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 4: I wanted to get this on. This is a newsy thing. 601 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 4: I haven't heard a bunch of reporting about it. But 602 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 4: according to CBS yesterday, citing US officials speaking on the 603 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 4: condition of anonymity, Pakistan which somehow emerged as the country 604 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 4: that's supposed to be brokering the piece deal between the 605 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: United States and Iran. 606 00:32:59,400 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 2: Ridiculous. 607 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 4: That's where we meet to have the you know, the 608 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 4: peace talks. Yeah, allowed Iran to park key aircraft on 609 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: their bases so that they wouldn't get blowed up during 610 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 4: the war. 611 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 2: Here's your honest broker the Islamist country of Pakistan. 612 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 4: Hear the report both Pakistan and Afghanistan allowed Iran to 613 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 4: park some of their best planes there so that they 614 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 4: didn't get blowed up. And keeping in mind also Pakistan 615 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 4: and Afghanistan played a role in helping the Taliban and 616 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 4: hiding Bin Laden from US all those years. How did 617 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 4: we maneuver allow ourselves to get maneuvered into a deal 618 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 4: where Pakistan plays any role of this? 619 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: Whatsoever? About why didn't Trump just say no, we're not 620 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: meeting in Islamabad? Yeah, maybe because they have relations with 621 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: both countries that It struck me as crazy from the beginning. 622 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:56,080 Speaker 2: They are a validly anti Zionist, as in wipe Israel 623 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: and the Jews off the face of the earth. A 624 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 2: lot of Pakistan and their government. They say it all 625 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 2: the time, it's in official documents. 626 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 4: Surprise, they just haven't given her a randomal weapon, a 627 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 4: nuclear weapon, a nuclear weapon. 628 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 2: H they don't trust them that much, apparently not. Jacky Clarks, 629 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 2: time stop, Jack and Joe. 630 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,240 Speaker 5: They've got to go and if they don't give canvill 631 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 5: be back tomorrow. 632 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: Here's your host for final thoughts, Joe Getty. Let's get 633 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 2: a final thought from everybody on the crew to wrap 634 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 2: up the show. Michael Angelo, our technical director, pushing the 635 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: buttons will lead us off. Michael. Yeah, and a family 636 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 2: member that got too frail, too fast, and so I 637 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 2: go to the gym constantly now, so, yeah, I'm familiar 638 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 2: with that word frail. Yeah, yeah, indeed, Jack final thought 639 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 2: for us, Yeah, I get to the gym every day 640 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: for that very reason. Earlier in the show, Katie Green 641 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 2: called in from her hospital bed where she was about 642 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 2: to have a baby. 643 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 4: She may have already had the baby, and that was charming. 644 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 4: If you didn't hear that, get the podcast Armstrong, you 645 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 4: Gety on demand, or if you want to know what 646 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 4: a booty rumble is, we talked about that earlier. 647 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: Oh and skip that segment. Do not listen to the 648 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 2: booty Rumbles segment? Which is in which hour? I don't know. 649 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 2: I can't remember listening to the whole four hours. My 650 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 2: final thought, I feel like a nervous dat I'm nervous 651 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: for Katie and her husband and her family. I'm looking 652 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 2: at my phone constantly to get an update on the 653 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,800 Speaker 2: baby situation. It's such a big deal. It's the biggest 654 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 2: of deals. Yeah, it is next to meeting God in 655 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 2: the end. It's the biggest deal. Yeah, I'll bet we 656 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: have news tomorrow for you. 657 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 5: Yeah. 658 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 4: Or if you follow our Twitter. Why don't you follow 659 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 4: us on Twitter? You'd probably find out on Twitter. 660 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 2: Yes, Twitter's a soul deadening mind suck, but not if 661 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 2: you follow us. 662 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 4: Armstrong in Getty rabbing up another grueling four hour work. 663 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: So many people thinks so little time good Armstrong and 664 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 2: Geddy dot com. I'm telling you it is catching on 665 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 2: the Armstrong and Getty t shirt and force the law. 666 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 2: That's how you clean up whatever city or town is 667 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 2: going to hell around in your ears Armstrong a Getty 668 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: dot Com check out superstore. Spencer Pratt should wear one. 669 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 2: You should get one to Spencer Hanson. We'll see tomorrow. 670 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 2: God bless America. I'm strong and get it. It's simple. 671 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: They love each other absolutely, There's no doubt in my mind. 672 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 2: It is what it is. How do you know? I 673 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 2: know I talked to him. Don't you think that's a 674 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 2: little Oh what the hell are you talking about? I 675 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 2: haven't said a word, so stop yelling at me. When 676 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 2: it comes on for you to go, you'll have to go. 677 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: I should. 678 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 2: And on that possibly nightmare inducing notes. Thank you very much, 679 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty