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Speaker 2: Colonel Greg Gatson and Teres schlacked. Did I say that? Right? Okay? Right?

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Speaker 2: I didn't ask you did I?

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Speaker 2: More flocked slacked? Okay, German us that German part is good.

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Speaker 2: I will get shlocked there. I just need to see papers.

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Speaker 2: Yes are your papers? Yes, you are good. You may go. Okay. So,

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Speaker 2: now that we have the introductions out of the way,

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Speaker 2: retired Colonel Greg, welcome to the show. And and Terse

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Speaker 2: it's it's a pleasure to have you. I know a

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Speaker 2: of all, let's just drop the book. It's called Finding Waypoints,

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Speaker 2: a Warrior's Journey towards Peace and Purpose. Now Teres as

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Speaker 2: but I know it's Greg that we're writing about. So, Greg,

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Speaker 2: you were in the military. You've succumbed to some injuries.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to tell us about how we've got

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Speaker 2: let's give you a question. How old were you when

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Speaker 2: you enlisted in the military. I was eighteen so you enlisted. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I enlisted for one year.

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Speaker 5: I went to the United States Military Academy preparatory school,

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Speaker 5: so I wasn't West Point. Felt that I needed to

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Speaker 5: After I was discharge, I went into West Point that

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Speaker 2: Grey Gatson's journey is humbling, healing and inspirational. Finding Waypoints

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Speaker 2: without him since Michael Strahan, former New York Giants defensive

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Speaker 2: Emmy Award winning television producer. Flockter was working at the

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Speaker 2: Pentagon Channel when she attended a prece event at Walter

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Speaker 2: He had served in Baghdad during the surge. President George

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Speaker 2: You were a part of that, huh, Greg, Yep, So

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Speaker 5: It was very personal, you know, not like you know,

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Speaker 2: If they did, they would have sat someone over who

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Speaker 2: recounts the horrific night when Gatson's convoy was hit See

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Speaker 2: Schlackder describes thundering decibels bleached from beneath the front right

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Speaker 2: sir colonel, thank you for your service. Okay, I love

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Speaker 2: how you explain what happened to you just in this

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Speaker 2: It seems like how you ride it.

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Speaker 2: Going went forward, so I just threw it up in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it lifted up a little bit, but it blew

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Speaker 2: You were in the right side, right, because you're as

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Speaker 2: a charge of the vehicle. That's right, Because the right

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Speaker 3: He was thrown so far from the vehicle that no

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Speaker 4: He was for Yeah. In fact, the guys in the

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Speaker 2: I'll give him a shout out.

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Speaker 5: For Sar Johnson. He was the senior noncommissioned officer in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my leg.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was like, okay, so this, so now I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the presence almost giving back up.

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Speaker 2: So so he did, and he bestowed that upon you,

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Speaker 2: My dad used to tell me, hey, if you're hurt,

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Speaker 2: Decisions to be made. And yeah, at least you were

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Speaker 3: And as for show, that was one of the nurses.

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Speaker 6: Was trying to get a glove his glove off, and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and Gregg like sets up unless what ever says,

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Speaker 2: He took that glove right off. It's like, yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's you. Yeah, it's you. It's you. You're still

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Speaker 5: stay on active duty. And so you know, I had

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Speaker 5: to go through the medical process, a kind of document.

438
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 2: I probably wanted to rate you out with a medical

439
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 2: evaluation board and had to go through every rating and

440
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: get you know, rated, and go through all that.

441
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,119
Speaker 5: And then so once that, you know, once that that

442
00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 5: course went through, then you know, I was fortunate to

443
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 5: get support from my chain of command to be able

444
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 5: to to stay in. And so just a few months

445
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 5: shy of three years from being wounded, the Army approoved

446
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 5: for me to stay to stay in.

447
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: How old were you when this was going down?

448
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 4: I was forty one years old when I was wounded.

449
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 2: Okay, and what year was this?

450
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 5: Two thousand and seven, So I'm forty sixteen years ago,

451
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 5: so I'm pretty and you're looking.

452
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Speaker 2: Good holding it well? Okay, so you were just still

453
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Speaker 2: you're forty one and lieutenant colonel at the time. Oh,

454
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: ill bird, yeah, lieutenant colonel Man. Wow, I'm just soaking

455
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,959
Speaker 2: it in. Forgive me. I think my listener is too.

456
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Speaker 4: You know.

457
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: It's just like an epic tale. And I appreciate you

458
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: for sharing this and teres what's your thoughts when you

459
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 2: hear such things like, you know, being told you you're

460
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 2: a writer. I am, and you do a good job,

461
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 2: and you like to like I see how you write.

462
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: You like to write about like the details of the situation,

463
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 2: or how bloody the glove was, and how bloody his

464
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: glove was, and the fact that the blood and the

465
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: blood slipping off of each other's hands can't pull off

466
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: his glove, Like I think I love that. Thank you

467
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 2: like your mindset there, that detail, and that's what you

468
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: bring to this book.

469
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Speaker 4: Thank you.

470
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Speaker 6: It's I got a lot of help with a lot

471
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Speaker 6: of interviews because obviously I was not there, and Greg

472
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 6: doesn't remember, so the doctors and the nurse and a

473
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 6: number of people who were involved. All I think three

474
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 6: of the people who were in the truck that exploded

475
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Speaker 6: with you and Eric on In, Frederick Johnson. They all

476
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 6: did interviews with me and helped me put together. Brad Bandy,

477
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 6: Brad was, Brad Was come in, helped me with the forensics,

478
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 6: Brad Woods was a surgeon at the in the Green Zone,

479
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 6: and that everyone. You know, all I had to do

480
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 6: was drop Greg's name and they were incredibly helpful and

481
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 6: helping me piece the story together.

482
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: And I wanted that level of detail. That's that's how

483
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: I wanted to put it together.

484
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,680
Speaker 6: I wanted people to understand as much as possible, you know,

485
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 6: what what had happened and what people go through.

486
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Speaker 2: Well, your descriptions kind of play out like a movie

487
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: in my head. So it's sometimes when you read a book,

488
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: I don't quite get the cinematic like detail. I have

489
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: to like really read it, maybe twice. But you know,

490
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: with what we're talking about here, just you just bring

491
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: it together and capture his story and and you seem

492
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: to have been there. I feel like I can look

493
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: at you and get the same thing from him. You know,

494
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 2: it's like because you're like it was Johnson and he's like,

495
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:08,439
Speaker 2: oh yeah, Johnson, and I actually got.

496
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 3: To meet Johnson in person. That you retire.

497
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Speaker 4: Either or you know, maybe both. I don't know if

498
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: he was at both. Did you ever meet Brad in

499
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: person too?

500
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 5: Or no?

501
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 4: I never met Brad Woodrandy, Yeah, yeah.

502
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: So shout out to Brad Woods. What's that Brad Woods?

503
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Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's another interesting thread from you know,

504
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 5: the sort of the West Point connection. So I literally

505
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 5: had one of my teammates that found out I was wounded,

506
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,360
Speaker 5: that was able to fly with me all the way

507
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 5: from from Baghdad to Germany. That was as far as

508
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: they let him go. Like literally a teammate, Brad Woods

509
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 5: was at West Point two. We had we were at

510
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,719
Speaker 5: West Point two of his years and I guess they

511
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 5: recognized me from football or somebody.

512
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Speaker 4: Did someone recognize me?

513
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: Many L.

514
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 6: Beakley was one of the surgeons and was not operating

515
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 6: on Greg, but was there and recognized Greg and said, hey,

516
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 6: he used to put a hurt on me when we

517
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 6: were scrimmaging.

518
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, somebody played against then other teammates. When I

519
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 5: get to when I get to Walter reed.

520
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: Well, Will Huff came bad Dad to meet you and

521
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: bag Dad. That's when he traveled.

522
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, he coming here to help well coming near to

523
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 4: helicopter right.

524
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well will locker was next to Greg's att.

525
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's literally how close we were.

526
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: That's legit. I want a locker at West Point. That's

527
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: so awesome. You're so awesome. I know that you've been

528
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: through a lot, but that West Point thing really just

529
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 2: stands out to me. Man, that is awesome. And congratulations

530
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: on succeeding through that.

531
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Speaker 4: Yeah, slips through the cracks.

532
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: So the castle, right, it's like it's like a it's

533
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 2: like a fortress.

534
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Speaker 4: Bro.

535
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know a friend of mine, former Green Beret,

536
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: Jason Van Camp, you know, he also played football over

537
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: there around the same time as you. I think I

538
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 2: was just thinking, if you guys cross paths and the

539
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: name sounds kind of familiar, but Van Camp, Yeah, if

540
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 2: you look it up Van Camp later on, you might

541
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 2: find him. He's out there and he'm like, oh okay,

542
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 2: that guy, tenth Group Green Beret. Okay. See, that's what's

543
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: so cool about West Point is that you have like,

544
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: what was your badge on your uniform?

545
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 5: We weren't doing that back then? When notot So that's

546
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 5: something that's been fairly recently. I think we used to

547
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 5: do it for the Army Navy game.

548
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: And maybe that's where I've seen it, you know, is

549
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: the Army Navy where they have like the potentials of

550
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: what you're gonna be.

551
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: They have a patch from every well, all the major units.

552
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 5: So each each week, you know, we wear a pat

553
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Speaker 5: from a major army organization.

554
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So but when I.

555
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 5: Played for the Army Navy game, that's when we would

556
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Speaker 5: all we would wear different patches to represent all the

557
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 5: major units in the.

558
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Speaker 2: So I see, I see.

559
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 4: Ironically, I think.

560
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: My senior year I had I think one year I

561
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 5: had the twenty fifth and I think one year I

562
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 5: had the first Infantry Division, which was the division that

563
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 5: I was serving in when I got wounded.

564
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's so legit. I just love it. Sorry,

565
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: I don't mean to get hung up on that. I

566
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: know there's a wonderful book that you've written, but I

567
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: mean football, right, and it's West Point. It's West Point football,

568
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 2: and you're a you're a rock star, okay, and so

569
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 2: that's so awesome. Now a lot of what you.

570
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: Were talking about is.

571
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a thread through the book because these

572
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 6: West Point people keep.

573
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Speaker 3: Well for me. Paul Pasqua, doctor Paul.

574
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 5: Pasquina, he was ahead of PMR physical medicine rehab, was

575
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 5: another one of my teammates.

576
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: So everybody, and they're that what a family. Okay, so cool,

577
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: so cool. Now now let's talk football again. So here

578
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: we are. And I read the two thousand and eight

579
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: They needed you there for the Giants, the New York Giants,

580
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: right am I saying that?

581
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: Right?

582
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 5: Well again another I hate that we come back to

583
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: West Point. So I had one of that summer when

584
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 5: I was recovering, one of my classmates and teammates I

585
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 5: had come to visit me and as his name was

586
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 5: Mike Sullivan and he was a coach for the New

587
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 5: York Giants, the wide receivers coach and uh and so

588
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 5: that season started in a fall of two thousand and

589
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 5: seven and the Giants were started out owing to that season,

590
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: and we're coming to town to play the then called

591
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 5: Washington Redskins, who were undefeated, and Mike wanted to run

592
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 5: the idea of me talking to the team by coach Conflin.

593
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: So he asked me first if I'd be willing to

594
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 4: do it.

595
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 5: And and you know, I wasn't a speaker at that point,

596
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 5: but my you know, my teammate asked me to do something.

597
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: You know, I said, you know, why not? And so

598
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 5: I agreed, and and so I was able to kind

599
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 5: of share, you know, you know, some of what I

600
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 5: went through and my perspectives about you know, performing and

601
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: you know, just fighting as a team and for each other,

602
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 5: and and it it resonated with the team and and

603
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 5: and so they began to turn things around.

604
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: You know, ultimately, you know, win in the super Bowl

605
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: that season.

606
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: A little motivation goes a long way, some inspiration, you know,

607
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, you know, what are we really sitting

608
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: in this locker room with our heads down for? Put

609
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: your heads up? Like, you know, come on, you have

610
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: it good. You have to just go out and and

611
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: give your effort as a team to win this football game, right,

612
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like you're you're I want to go win

613
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: a football game for you and you too, toeres I do.

614
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: I just want to go and be the best I

615
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 2: can be. So you know that I also will take

616
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: what you've given me today in our conversation, and I'll

617
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: take it to my heart and try to apply myself

618
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: as a good person as well. So, you know, I

619
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: think that you do have a good platform to be

620
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: able to to speak and motivate and you're gonna hear

621
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: it all the time. You're gonna the guy that works

622
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: for me all the time. Man. He's like, if I

623
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: don't hear it three times a day, rat I don't

624
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: hear that, I'm an inspiration enough, you know. He's like,

625
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: if I don't, you know, he was always in his

626
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: chair and you know, always moving around. Everyone's like, how

627
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: can you so happy all the time? How came you're

628
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: always so moving around? He's like, because I'm here, man,

629
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: and I'm talking to you man. So like, let's live

630
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: life man, you know. And uh, I mean there is

631
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: that point right where you just have to live life

632
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: and you have to just keep moving forward. Yeah, you

633
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: just can't, can't let it take you down.

634
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

635
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 6: I think in the book you reached that point. I

636
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 6: think get Walter read they had started to rehab you

637
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 6: and you've gone through some.

638
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: Emotional things.

639
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure.

640
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: But on the other side, and there was just a

641
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 3: point where you said, an expletive it, I'm just gonna

642
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: do this.

643
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to do it.

644
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: It's a decision.

645
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't scare everybody away that wants to help you.

646
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: Let them help you. You can't scare them away. What

647
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: you were was what you were, What you are today

648
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 2: is what you are to day. And so if it

649
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: takes an extra hand to help you out, then accept

650
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: that extra hand to help you out. Right, that's just

651
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: how well.

652
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, Teresa reminded me of this yesterday.

653
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 5: But you know, when when it's all kind of said

654
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 5: and done, you know, you're not defined. You know, a

655
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 5: lot of us define our lives by by what we

656
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: do or what we accumulated or what we have. There's

657
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 5: some identity, there's something external that we identify ourselves with.

658
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 5: And I you know, before I was wounded, I probably

659
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 5: felt like I identified myself, especially you know, my physical presence,

660
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 5: and that all change. But you know it also helped

661
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 5: me realize that I was more than that, that I

662
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 5: was actually I was. You know, I still have a

663
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 5: physical presence, it's very different, but I control that, yes,

664
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 5: not anyone else. And you know, again, you know I

665
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 5: can't say any better than Maya Angelou that's said that.

666
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 5: You know, people won't remember what you said, they won't

667
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 5: remember what you did, but they remember how you made

668
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 5: them feel. And so that's who you are. That's how

669
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 5: I hope that sort of think of myself is about

670
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 5: how I treat people.

671
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: And I love that, No I do.

672
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 6: I do.

673
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: And that's how I feel is I love that. I

674
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: love that analogy because I also feel that I've stood

675
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: behind enough microphones that eulogies to talk about the people

676
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: that are right next to me that can't talk no more.

677
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, how many times have I stood behind this

678
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: microphone in the same place, like where all my family

679
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: have passed or whatever. It's like constantly on the microphone.

680
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, that's not the place for a

681
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: family reunion. It's not a place where we want to gather,

682
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 2: but we do gather. So it's like, you got to

683
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: live life to the fullest and live it today and

684
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: then and then and then if you wake up tomorrow,

685
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: then you live tomorrow. And you just keep moving forward

686
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: and just try to make positive relationships because what can

687
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: you take with you? You know, nothing, nothing goes with you,

688
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: not to leave at exactly exactly that's exactly right. I

689
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,239
Speaker 2: love that and and this book is going to hit

690
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: home on that right, and it's out right now. So

691
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: we've got it out. It's out just in time for

692
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: everybody to go pick it up and just put you

693
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: right at the top of New York Times bestseller's list.

694
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: Ain't that right? Ain't that right? See? I love that

695
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: thumbs up. We want it there. My listener needs to

696
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: go buy that book right by it and buy it

697
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: and leave a review. Right, So go, what's that you

698
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: got the book?

699
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 4: You hold it up?

700
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't have the book.

701
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: It no.

702
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: Sent you one.

703
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: No, I'm I'm good, but listen to me. Go right,

704
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: I'm okay, but I will tell you right now that

705
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: if anybody wants to look up the book. The title

706
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: of the book is Finding Way Points, a Warrior's Journey

707
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: towards peace and Purpose. And so basically, as my daughter

708
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: tries to sneak behind me to go to the mall

709
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: with my wife, who I love, the book is something

710
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: that you should just go check out. I mean, a

711
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 2: waypoint is typically, you know, here's a map, here's all

712
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: these different places you have to go. Those are considered waypoints,

713
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: and you navigate towards those. And so I love how

714
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: you've incorporated finding waypoints because you're like, well, what, what's

715
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: the cliche?

716
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 5: Life is about the journey, not the destination, and so

717
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 5: that's to me, that's part of what you know, you

718
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 5: find it's it's the journey that is that enriches your life,

719
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 5: not to destination.

720
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: You're right, You're right.

721
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: You know.

722
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: Jeez, what a great, great conversation to have today my day.

723
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: You're a great cup of coffee, the both of you.

724
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: I'm really thrilled with you, know, uh, your demeanor and

725
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: just you know, reading a book, really a book goes

726
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: a long way. And the story that you're telling about

727
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: your journey and that you've actually that you're telling about

728
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: his journey. I just I can't write. I really respect you.

729
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: I just want you to know, okay, Teres, And yes,

730
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: you're very welcome and congratulations on all your success in

731
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: the past and in the future with where this book

732
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 2: is going. And how do you are you still working

733
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,720
Speaker 2: with the football team, colonel? Are you still know anything

734
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: along those lines?

735
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 5: Yeah?

736
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 4: No, I'm not not right now.

737
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: He does a lot of motivational speaking all.

738
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 2: Over the country, though oh really yea like a lot.

739
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 3: He travels constantly on an airplane, right yeah, yeah, I.

740
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: Live on an airplane.

741
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: So what would you tell what would you tell the

742
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: airlines that you would like them to fix for you

743
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 2: as you're getting the travel to your next flight go ahead?

744
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: You never know who's listening.

745
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, they they you know, those folks. They do their best.

746
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 5: You know, they get beat up for a lot of

747
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 5: things that they don't they don't control, which is, you know,

748
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 5: which is not fair. But sometimes you wish they would

749
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 5: just they would, they would fess up to the things

750
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 5: they do control and sure and beyond, you know, be

751
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 5: transparent about.

752
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: Is it pretty easy to get your chair through the terminals?

753
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 5: And I've got that down to a science. So it's okay,

754
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 5: you know, no pun intended, but that's how I roll.

755
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: That's how I roll. Yeah, so you're like, okay, so

756
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: just like a stroller, they just leave it right there.

757
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: You just get all the way down to the bill.

758
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: Know, I like, I walled right into the plane and

759
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 4: then I hop out on my butt and get to

760
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 4: my seat and didn't.

761
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: They'll take it away from you and they folded up.

762
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: They put the cushion inside the cabin.

763
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 5: And it's sometimes if I'm on a big enough airplane,

764
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 5: they can keep it on the they can keep it

765
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 5: on the plane, but not they just put it under it.

766
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 4: I get it on the other side.

767
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: These are the questions my listeners want to know. There's like,

768
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: that's real, that's real.

769
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 5: Well, you know it's uh they really aren't unusual questions there.

770
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,919
Speaker 5: You know, how I get in cars, how I drive

771
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 5: my hand?

772
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: Do you have a gas pedal on your steering wheel?

773
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 6: No, No, I have one.

774
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: That's it's a lever.

775
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 5: It's a separate lever that can I pulled down to

776
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: accelerate and I push in the brake and then there's

777
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 5: a steering knob. If you're old enough to remember, they

778
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 5: used to be called suicide knobs. Yeah, and and uh

779
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 5: and so that's that's how I can positively positively control

780
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 5: my Uh.

781
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I'm so glad that you're still

782
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: able to go out and enjoy that and drive and freedom.

783
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 2: That's freedom, right because you know with their legs, at

784
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 2: least you can get me still mobile. You can go

785
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: where you want to go. And I'm sure the VA

786
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: helps you out with your needs with your vehicle.

787
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, equip They covered the equipment in my vehicle.

788
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 5: In fact, here's a pretty funny story. You know, Teresa

789
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 5: and I have we've made some trips together and and

790
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 5: my driving might be another story for her. But so

791
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 5: we we need some gas, so we got to get

792
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 5: some gas, and you know, so she gets out of

793
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: the car. So look, you know big you know, big

794
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 5: guy in the and she gets out to pump my gas.

795
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 5: And you should see some of the looks that people

796
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 5: give us when she's getting out the pump the gas.

797
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 4: And I'm just sitting in the vehicle.

798
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah right, You're just like chilling, like, yeah, what is it?

799
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: Is it filled up yet?

800
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

801
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna give me a drink too. You get

802
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: to give me a drink.

803
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's hilarious.

804
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: Don't go over twenty two bucks. Like what, I don't know.

805
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 5: Myself if I'm by myself and I'm trying to get

806
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 5: some help, you know, imagine like I'm sitting in my

807
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 5: vehicle and I said, hey, you want to pump my gas,

808
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 5: and You're like, what the hell is your problem?

809
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 6: You know, people don't see that he's got a purple

810
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 6: heart plate, but you don't see that when he's hit

811
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 6: it from the side, right, you see, there's this big

812
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 6: guy in there with these arms, You're like, why can't

813
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 6: you pump your own?

814
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: And some people are just like some people are just

815
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: introverted and they're like are you even talking to me

816
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: on my pajamas? They're like, uh, hello, But all your

817
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: one is like, hey, could you help me pump my gas?

818
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: Right like organ or it's there's unions that require you.

819
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: I don't know if they changed it recently, but they

820
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 2: pump your gas.

821
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 5: No, I think yeah, maybe they can't. Oregon in New

822
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: Jersey would have lasted New Jersey pumped your gas.

823
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: That's right. So if you pull up, it has to

824
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 2: be someone handling it for you. Totally makes sense, though

825
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: you know there should be though a d A lane

826
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 2: you know, well you have they have the stickers.

827
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 5: But I tell you, yeah, especially convenience stores, a lot

828
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 5: of times, especially late in the evenings, I have to

829
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 5: be mindful on trips when I'm by myself, is that

830
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 5: they only have one person in the store. A lot

831
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: of times they don't want to leave the store, especially

832
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 5: if someone's in it.

833
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 4: They can't. And so but they had these.

834
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 5: Buttons that say push if you need assistance. I'm telling you,

835
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: better than fifty percent of the time they can't.

836
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 4: Own and they can't.

837
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And I've pushed that button and I have legs. Okay,

838
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, hello, hello, my debit card. Hello. It's like,

839
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 2: please see cash here, and I'm like, okay, well, I

840
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: can just walk right in to go see cash here.

841
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: But you know that's just an that's a whole nother

842
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: journey to get in there, to have to get situated,

843
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: and you barely got to the button.

844
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 5: You see the world with a different set of eyes

845
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 5: or experiences. Yes, when your mobility is compromised.

846
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: Now you said you wound up going to Ballot. Is

847
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: that the ied the lot was.

848
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 5: Where that was the air base that we were evacuated

849
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 5: out of theater from air so the Air Matteract. So

850
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 5: the Air Force was responsible for getting me back to

851
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 5: the States. So the Army moved a helicopter picked me

852
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: up and moved me to the Green Zone and then

853
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 5: from the Green Zone to Ballade and then I see

854
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 5: seventeen from Ballade to long Stool and Long Stool to

855
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: Andrews Air Force Base.

856
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: See, I had a client here because I own an

857
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: indoor airsoft warehouse with a shoot house inside where we

858
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: do wargames. Et cetera. And that's right outside Hill Air

859
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 2: Force Base. And one day I had a young man

860
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: nineteen years old collapse and I had ceasepire ceasefire and

861
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: I'm like why, and they're like, man down. I'm like, oh,

862
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: that's a ceasefire. So we turned our lights back on

863
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 2: in the arena because it was a lights out situation,

864
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: and we went over and there was this young man

865
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: six foot four, blonde hair, blue eyes, just a ball

866
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: of combat gear in the corner that had just collapsed

867
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: on himself. I said, all right, everybody that's not essential,

868
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: go back into the staging area so we can get

869
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: taken care of, you know, because we were crowded. Everybody

870
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 2: wants to help so bad, right, I'm like, hey, not essential,

871
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: let me just get some air here. One guy's like,

872
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm a doctor except for you. You can stay. I said,

873
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: you can stay, You're a doctor. Turns out, so we're

874
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: sitting there stripping the young man's gear off of his chest,

875
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: unbuckling all of his plate carrier, his helmet, stretching him

876
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: out on the floor so we can get to him

877
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 2: because he's literally a ball that collapsed. Well, it turned

878
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 2: out he had a aphib of his heart that turned

879
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: into like a V fIF So he basically had a

880
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 2: heart attack standing just ready to play airsoft.

881
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: Just so.

882
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: He comes up to me later, that er doctor, he

883
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: goes rad I know I was looking for some realism

884
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 2: in here, but I didn't expect this reel, right, And

885
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: I was like why, and he's like, well, I was

886
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 2: the first doctor that anybody in Iraq who was blown

887
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Speaker 2: up would see. They would come to me. And he

888
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 2: was a major and his son was in there playing,

889
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: so it was a father son team playing. And I

890
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 2: didn't know he was a major ig nor the blod

891
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: er doctor at the time. And I think it was

892
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 2: around the same time you were there. I'm just trying

893
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: to think what his name was was escaping me, but

894
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: your story is just resonating in his story with I'm

895
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 2: the first guy that people see when they hit an ied.

896
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: That's what he told me. And I was like, this

897
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: whole time talking, I'm wondering if my same guy is

898
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: the guy that was there, because Listene, it was about

899
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen that he was in my shop, and I

900
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 2: think he'd been out for about ten years, so it's

901
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: right around that same timeframe. You know, we were just

902
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: chit chatting. But it's guys like that that are just

903
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: among us every day that can just, you know, say hey,

904
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I'm a doctor, let me help you. He's that same

905
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: guy that was probably over there saying I'm here to

906
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: help you. Right, It's just these people in everyday civilian clothes.

907
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 2: That's your neighbor, the soccer coach, you know, the cafeteria lady.

908
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: They might all be serving in the guard, or in

909
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: a reserve unit, or in some type of a you know,

910
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: a military unit, and you don't even realize it. These

911
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 2: people are all around us, right, We're kind of surrounded

912
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: by good people who do selfless things and then when

913
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: the call to arms happens, like yourself, you were active

914
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: duty right twenty four to seven, ready to go on

915
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: a moment's notice, and off you went, right, And I

916
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 2: just want to I just want to kind of point out,

917
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what, like, we're surrounded by kindness of

918
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: people who have chosen to swear an oath to us

919
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: to defend us so we can live underneath the flag

920
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: and the constitution that you know, our forefathers put together

921
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: for us to have a successful future. And I just

922
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 2: want to say thanks again for what you gave, because

923
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: you gave. You didn't Yes, you gave, and you did give.

924
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: You almost gave your whole your whole self. You gave

925
00:43:55,120 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: whatever you could and Hunter, Yeah, bro, wow, you know

926
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: about fifty percent. You know, my dad always said I

927
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: don't want a purple heart, and I'm like why, He's like,

928
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't want one. He's like, I just don't want it.

929
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: He was like, you don't have a purple heart. He's

930
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: like the enemy's marksmanship badge. Are you kidding me?

931
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 5: You know?

932
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 2: He's like, why would I want that?

933
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: And uh?

934
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: And I just said, yeah, you know, a green beret.

935
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: That's that's him, right. And like I said, I love

936
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: my dad so much. He's a part of who I am.

937
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,720
Speaker 2: I have to spit out some of his his jokes

938
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: so you get my dad jokes. It's true. It's true.

939
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: Now again, do you see this coming into like a

940
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: movie or like a series? Do you have aspirations for this?

941
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: Do you know anyone?

942
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 2: I mean Warner Brothers. Maybe you know. I was in

943
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 2: Let's a Universal, So I did fire Starter Rekindle for

944
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: Sci Fi Channel. I play. I'm just shouting out. I'm

945
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: trying to know someone for you. Do you see this,

946
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 2: Brandon Webb, do you know someone?

947
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: We would certainly, but it's not in the plan.

948
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, but it would win an oscar because I'll star.

949
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: Who would play you?

950
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: Now?

951
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play the colonel.

952
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna play him?

953
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm the actor. Okay, see Daniel day Lewis. Come on,

954
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 2: Daniel day Lewis as Obama? Have you not seen that yet?

955
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? You've got

956
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: to go? So okay, for my listener and for you

957
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,720
Speaker 2: go look up. Steven Spielberg makes Obama the movie?

958
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 4: Okay, and Dan Lewis plays who Obama?

959
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:47,240
Speaker 2: He said, you have to watch the watch. Yes, that's correct,

960
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: and you should see who plays Joe Biden. I'm letting

961
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: you in on this.

962
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 5: This is just a.

963
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no. You have to watch it.

964
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 2: You after we're done, look up, Steve Steven Spielberg. Steven

965
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: Spielberg makes Obama the movie and Spielberg's in it. He's like,

966
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: you know, so, here we are, we're coming up with

967
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: the idea, how do we make Obama? How do we

968
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: capture Obama? I'm sitting here thinking what actor can capture

969
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: Obama and he's just going through all of it, and

970
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,879
Speaker 2: he's like, well, Daniel day Lewis, Gangs of New York,

971
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: Last of the Mohicans. Yeah, he's he's going all like,

972
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: you know, the chameleon himself. And the next thing you know,

973
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: he's like, hello, Ohio, you need to see that little skit.

974
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 4: Wasn't he in what's the one in Italy and Venice?

975
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 4: The Merchant of Was it the Merchant of Venice?

976
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel de Lewis, Yes, is that always the.

977
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 4: One where he gets sent to that island?

978
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 5: They they convicted him and the guy steals his wife

979
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 5: or something or says he did.

980
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: This.

981
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: It's worth saying it on the show. I think you

982
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: guys will both like it and laugh at it and say, rad,

983
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: what the hell did you just send to us? Right?

984
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: You just have to look it up on YouTube. Okay,

985
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 2: Spilberg makes Obama. It was done during COVID. Oh, Spielberg's

986
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: in it. They're interviewing him about the movie. It's Spilberg. Yeah,

987
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 2: it's really so. I'm just saying, if there's anyone out

988
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: there that can make a movie, Spielberg, see, I'm trying

989
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: to hook you up. Spilberg. We're putting that out there. Anton,

990
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: when you watch this and you and you write all

991
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: this down for producing for me, Anton Link Spilberg in

992
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 2: it somehow Okay. Now, I have laughed with you, almost

993
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: cried with you, internally felt emotion for you. I've praised

994
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: your writing. I think you're fabulous, Teresa. I like how

995
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: you describe things. And I want to just give a

996
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: shout out since I've had you for about an hour

997
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: of our time, which is Finding Waypoints A Warrior's Journey

998
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: Towards Peace and Purpose by Teres Schlockter and Colonel Gregory D. Gatson,

999
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 2: Retired Army. You know, it's been such a great time

1000
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: having you on my show and just having an organic,

1001
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 2: candid conversation with you about you know, your book coming

1002
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 2: out that's already out, and just trying to at least

1003
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 2: drive one of my listeners to go check out your

1004
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: book and read your inspirational story. It'd be cool if

1005
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: two of you did it, though, it'd be great. It

1006
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: would be great. I would love to see it on

1007
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: the New York too. You're welcome.

1008
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1009
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 2: You're so welcome. And with that said, I'm going to

1010
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 2: go ahead and close the show out by just saying

1011
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: it's been a wonderful joy to have Greg and Teresa

1012
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: on the show. I hope you guys stay best friends

1013
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: for a very long time. And you know, on behalf

1014
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: of myself and Brandon Webb, and it gives me this job.

1015
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 2: I want to say peace from all of us here

1016
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: at soft reb at softwarep dot com. And remember to

1017
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: uptrain yourself for violence so that you can downgrade yourself

1018
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: for people. Okay, all right, and with that said, I

1019
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: say peace.

1020
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,120
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