1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the best of the week for What's Right 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: with Nick Right the best takes and moments from this 3 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: week on the show Enjoy. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: England held a one zero lead in the eighty fifth 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: minute and it still was not enough. Argentina with the 6 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 2: late game theatrics two with two goals and they still 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 2: have not led as passed or in the ninetieth minute mark, 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 2: and yet they are in the final. You talk Monday 9 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: a little bit about them having a psychological edge with 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: Messi does kind of appear. So how they're coming back 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: late in these games? Is this an automatic category one 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,319 Speaker 2: by you. 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: Oh about this game? Yes, I mean instantly correct it. 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: So I'm really we will get into the tactics and 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: we will get into the fact that folks in England 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: want Thomas Toogle the manager fired already and England taking 17 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: their foot off the gas and doing what they did 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: against Mexico against Argentina, but against Mexico go a. Mexico 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: does not have the talent of Argentina and b England 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: was down a man, so they almost had no choice 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: but to play that style. All of that, but what 22 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: Argentina has done in the knockout phase of this tournament 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: does border on the supernatural, and I am not I 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: am not sitting here arguing that if you believe in God, 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: that God is impacting these games. That's not what I'm arguing. 26 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: What I am arguing is I think there is a 27 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: belief from Argentina that he is and I think that's powerful. 28 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I think there is a collective belief this is our destiny, 29 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: combined with a true family member level love they have 30 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: for Leo Messi that allows all of these guys to 31 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: dig deep to levels they didn't know or they wouldn't 32 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: otherwise be able to get to in order to not 33 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: have Messi's career and their time with him as teammates 34 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: come to an end. And that is why a team that, 35 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: to Demands's point, has not led one knockout round game 36 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: at the ninetieth minute, has won all of their knockout 37 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: round games. None have gone to penalty kicks, and to 38 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: only two of them went to extra They have a 39 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: level and I think the opposing team rattling around in 40 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: the back of their head is oh no, they're gonna 41 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: do it to us as well. So you add up 42 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: all those soft factors with the very hard factor of 43 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: Leo Messi is the greatest player of all time and 44 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: somehow might be playing the best tournament he's ever played. 45 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: They're gonna be hard to beat, guys, and England had 46 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: a good game plan. England had a good approach and 47 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: then the door cracked open. England got a little tight, 48 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: England got a little conservative, and all of a sudden, 49 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: Argentina is peppering them. Argentina, once they went down one 50 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: nothing could have scored five times. They had a fast 51 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: break started by Messi, that Spence had the unbelievable slide 52 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: tackle in to save a goal. They had two separate 53 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: shots go off the post, they had one shot where 54 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: Pickford made an amazing save, and they scored their two goals. 55 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: So that's actually six unbelievable scoring chances, and five of 56 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: those six were created by Leo Messi being able to 57 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: this game. It was his passing, being able to put 58 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: the ball exactly where he needs it at any given moment. 59 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: And there was a moment from Thierryanrie early in the 60 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: tournament when and I should have had our guys pull 61 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: the sound. I didn't, so all recreated. I apologize where 62 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: because Tierry played with Messi for a few years on 63 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: the club level, and he would talk about how sometimes 64 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: in practice he called training, Messi wouldn't get a foul called, 65 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: that he thought he should get called, or the ball 66 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: would go out of bounds and the coaches wouldn't call it, 67 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: and that Messi would get so mad and get a 68 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: look in his eye that he would then on three 69 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: consecutive possessions, as Tiery put it, rob the ball from 70 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: you and score, Rob the ball from you and score, 71 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: Rob the ball from you and score, and then look 72 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: at the coaches and say, call the foul the next time. 73 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: And that video that's going around when England is up 74 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: won nothing of Jude Bellingham walking to Messi and Messi 75 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: giving him this the de Niro look that okay, and 76 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: then absolutely taking over the game is truly the stuff 77 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: of legends. It does not get better than seeing Leo 78 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: Messi and his teammates recognize, all right, this is our 79 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: moment and finding a way to dig deeper as they 80 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: have game after game after game. Cape Verde was different 81 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: because cape Verde they never trailed. They just kept letting 82 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: cape Verde scoring. Then they would take the lead. It 83 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: was one to zero, than one to one, two to one, 84 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: then two to two, and then they win three to two. 85 00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Egypt they're dead in the water, dead in the water 86 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: man and they score three goals in the final thirteen 87 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: minutes and Egypt felt it coming. Switzerland again. Switzerland, I 88 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: got a goal, got some belief, they got the red card. 89 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: Argentina ends up finding a way late this game yesterday, 90 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: the moment they had to be at their best, they 91 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: were at their best and demons. Here's the thing that 92 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: I want to I want the audience to understand about 93 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: Leo Messi and about Argentina at the World Cup. Okay, 94 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: this was the one thing he hadn't done. Messi with 95 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: the Argentinian team was the one kind of negative mark 96 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: on his resume, Like I don't think people quite get it. 97 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: So again, he joins his first World Cup when he's 98 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: a teen is two thousand and six, make the quarters. 99 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's a team, He's still Leo Messi is 100 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: still one of the best, becoming one of the best 101 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: players in the world. Then in twenty ten there and 102 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: let me back up a little further. Actually, Argentina, prior 103 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: to Leo playing, was arguably the third most now the 104 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: fourth most successful country in World Cup history. It was Brazil, 105 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: West Germany, Italy, Argentina. Argentina had won it twice, they 106 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: had come up. They had played in another final, coming 107 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: in second. I guess another the very first World Cup. 108 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: They played in the final, but they were the fourth 109 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: most successful soccer nation of all time. Before Messi gets 110 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: there and Maridona is a god in the country. Messi 111 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: gets there, he in short order is the best player 112 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: in the world, playing for Barcelona, winning champions leagues, winning 113 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: ballendor's setting all types of records. Okay, twenty ten is 114 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: the moment where it's his second World Cup. Argentina is 115 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: one of the favorites. All right, let's go get it. 116 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: They lose in the quarters for nothing. Twenty fourteen. They 117 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: are I think the favorites, and they lose in twenty 118 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: ten in the quarters for nothing in Germany. Twenty fourteen, 119 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: they are the favorites. They get all the way to 120 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: the final. They lose one nothing to Germany in extra time. 121 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: Messi gets Golden Ball for Player of the Tournament, but 122 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: is so devastated after the loss that he briefly Demi 123 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: retires from international soccer. This is twelve years ago. He's like, 124 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm done. I can't do it, and he is. When 125 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: he's retiring Argentina. I didn't even mention the Copa, which 126 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: is the World Cup of South America, just like Europe 127 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: has the Euros is the World Cup of Europe. Argentina, 128 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: which dominated Argentina and Brazil dominated, not surprisingly the Copa. Historically, 129 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: Messi had never won the Copa either, so it was 130 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: really weird. This great player who individually even played Grady 131 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 1: one MVP of the twenty fourteen World Cup essentially, but 132 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: had never won a trophy for his country, And so 133 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: he briefly retires from playing for his country in his 134 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: late twenties, like I can't do it anymore. It's too devastating, 135 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: it's too hard after that type of loss. That retirement's 136 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: very brief, right, and he does decide to play in 137 00:10:55,320 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: the very next World Cup, and in twenty eighteen, in 138 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: that World Cup, in the whole World Cup, he scores 139 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: one goal. They play France and a young Killian and 140 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: Bape in their first knockout round game. They lose, and 141 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: as he's coming off the pitch, the announcer says, in 142 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: what is assuredly Leo Messi's final game for Argentina, and 143 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna be in the goat conversation. But has never 144 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: won a tournament for his country. That was eight years ago, 145 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: and then three and a half years ago. He does 146 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: come back, people assume he is going to be a 147 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: lesser version of himself. And Argentina loses their first group 148 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: stage game to Saudi Arabia and what might be the 149 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 1: greatest upset in World Cup history, and now they might 150 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: get grouped, they might not even get out. And since then, 151 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Deman Messi has scored in every game he has played 152 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: in but three. In the three he didn't score in, 153 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: he assisted in. He has set the World Cup all 154 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: times goals record. They won the World Cup, they are 155 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: in another final, and they won two kopas. So he 156 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: went from having never won a trophy for his country 157 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: to being one game away to being the first person 158 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: ever to lead a country to four consecutive trophies, two 159 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: Continental trophies and two World Cups, to be to become 160 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: the first team in sixty some years to win back 161 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: to back World Cups. He is is I think I 162 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: don't know what the odds are. I don't know if 163 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: hard Rock Bet has it the odds for him to 164 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: win golden ball, not golden boot, but golden ball. He's 165 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: got to be a huge favorite because Rodery from Spain's 166 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: probably not gonna win it. Caine, I think lost his 167 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: chance yesterday, and Bope's not gonna win it. Like he's 168 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna have three golden balls, more than anybody ever. I 169 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: don't think anybody else has two. He's gonna have three. 170 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: He right now is the favorite to win the Golden Boot, 171 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: will become the only person ever with a golden Ball 172 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: and a golden boot at the very least. Is gonna 173 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: have played in three World Cup finals as one to one, 174 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: maybe we'll have won two. And his peaking is playing 175 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: the best he's ever played. Since that loss to Saudi Arabia. 176 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: They have played one, two, six, seven, eight nine ten, 177 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 1: eleven twelve. They have played thirteen games. Okay, he has 178 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: scored one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight nine 179 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: ten to eleven, twelve, thirteen fourteen. He has scored four. 180 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: He has scored fourteen goals in their thirteen games. He 181 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: has assisted I think on five other goals. He's going 182 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: to lead this World Cup in goals and assists. He 183 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: has the all time World Cup record for goals the 184 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: all time World Cup record for assists, all of it. 185 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: He's sweeping the table and it's just it really is. 186 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to be hyperbolic, and I don't want 187 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: to be like Sobby, and I don't want to be 188 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: weird talking about religion and God and stuff. But I 189 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: feel very, very blessed that I am watching this happen 190 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: in real time, that this is not reading about Babe 191 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: Ruth or watching old, grainy videos of and it doesn't 192 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: have even the messiness of watching Lebron go through his 193 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: journey where people are nitpicking and the detractors whatever. It's 194 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: just unimpeachable, beloved brilliance and greatness. And it's why I 195 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: am less focused on England blowing it yesterday than other 196 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: people are. So let's get to the England side of things, 197 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: because that was that is the story for a lot 198 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: of people. For me, the story is Argentina and Messi. 199 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: But England's coaching errors or stratagy strategic errors are the 200 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: story for many. So let's get to that. 201 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 2: How surprised were you that England parked the bus? And 202 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: when do you think, well, teams will realize that that does. 203 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: Not work, So listen what England did of going to five. 204 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna use this. I'm gonna use the terms 205 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: I use. I'm not gonna I think people know how 206 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: much I like the sport, but I'm not the lingo. 207 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: I still feel more comfortable saying, you know, goaliean defenders 208 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: and things like the going to five defenders and just 209 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: one attacker that ended up not even really being an 210 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: attacker is obviously a sound strategy at times with a 211 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: lead late. The stunning part is that they did it 212 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: so quickly and so early that England was about to 213 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: add Marcus Rashford as another attacker, got the lead and 214 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: instead added a defender and basically said we believe we 215 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: can defend for thirty for they scored at the fifty 216 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: five minute mark, it's thirty five minutes plus stoppage time, 217 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: so they said we can just defend for forty minutes 218 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: against Argentina. That was kind of crazy and it was 219 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: certainly ambitious, and it failed to recognize Argentina's defense in 220 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: this tournament has not been great. It's not like you 221 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: just got a lucky goal. Had they kept attacking, they 222 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: might have been able to add a second one and 223 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: then breathe a little bit, while Egypt wasn't able to breathe, 224 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: maybe they could. And there is what was And this 225 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: is where the no you know the fact that you 226 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: can't call timeouts and you have limited subs and soccer 227 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 1: does add a lot to the strategy piece of it, 228 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: but the hydration break has tweaked that a bit, where 229 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: you do have time where you can talk to your 230 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: team about tactics. It was so a parent even though 231 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: Argentina hadn't scored yet after ten minutes of England parking 232 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: the bus. As you put it, at the hydration break, 233 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: that Argentina was getting far too many chances that I 234 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: thought Thomas Toucle could have that he could have adjusted 235 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 1: his tactics there, or put on another attacking player, or 236 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 1: at least shifted formation a bit to where they were 237 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: more of a threat posed, more dangered Argentina. But I 238 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: think the story is more about Messi and Argentina imposing 239 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: their will than England gagging the game. But I'm not 240 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: in England. My old friends at Talk Sport are and 241 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: they are having a field day. This is I want 242 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: to get. I want to get the fella's name that 243 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: maybe I should say, Chap, I want to get the 244 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: or lad, I want to get the lad's name right. 245 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: This is the guy I sent out a tweet this 246 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: morning asking to be invited on these guys show. But 247 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: this is so. Jamie O'Hara and a guy Rory Jennings 248 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: do a sports radio show, a talk show for Talk Sport, 249 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: and they Rory Jennings has a tough clip sitting out 250 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: there from a few days before the game that was 251 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: pondering whether or not Messi would even start for England 252 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: and about how he expected England to just dominate the game. 253 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: Jamie O'Hara, who's the guy you're about to hear? Jamie 254 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't go down that road with him, but they both 255 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: felt confident about their team's ability to win. Before I 256 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: play this clip, let me give you guys a little context. 257 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: England's history in major tournaments is what they call bottling it. 258 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: They find a way to lose very often, they get 259 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: a lead and get too conservative. England since the World 260 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: Cup in nineteen sixty six, has won zero major tournaments. 261 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: They have not won the World Cup, they have not 262 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: won a Euro's. They have been to back to back 263 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: Euro finals, they have lost them both in heartbreaking fashion. 264 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: So they move on from their manager Southgate. They bring 265 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: in Thomas Tuckle. Thomas Toucle's history to Monsey is one 266 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: of nothing but excellence in winning and then getting immediately 267 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: fired or changing his job because nobody likes him. Now 268 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: some of these things, I will have his back on it. 269 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: As a for instance, he's at Dortmund. Dortmund's team bus 270 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: literally got bombed by like a terrorist attack bomb and 271 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: en route to a game. Luckily nobody died, but a 272 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: player did get hurt, a cop got hurt, and he 273 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: was like, we probably should delay the game, and the 274 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: two team owner was like, na, bro, you're playing and 275 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: so on that one. On that one, I've got his back. 276 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: He then went to PSG. They won one one. He's 277 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: gone after two years. He goes to Chelsea. I think 278 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,440 Speaker 1: they win the Champions League in Chelsea. He's gone. After 279 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: one year. He goes to Byron, they win the Bundesliga. 280 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: He's gone after a year and a half. He has 281 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: what we call a prickly personality. Okay, but he is 282 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: an unbelievable coach, and England went outside their comfort zone 283 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: by hiring a German guy to coach the England's national team, 284 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: like it's one thing for the US to be like, 285 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: we need to find you know, Puchatino in Argentina, but 286 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: England is England, but they hire him. And so far 287 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: it has been going great. Last half hour yesterday not great. 288 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: So let's hear the nice measured response from my new 289 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: friend Jamie o'harat talks for it. Play it please, you 290 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: can almost accept it. 291 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 3: You playing against Argentina. He can't sit off for twenty 292 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: five minutes against Argentina. He absolutely bottled it. Thomas Soukles 293 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: cost us the World Cup. They cost us the World Cup. 294 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 3: We're one nil up. Played well. First of all, right, 295 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: kg Affair, we. 296 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 4: Go one nil up. 297 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 3: Be brave, be brave, Thomas. This is what we brought 298 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: you in for. 299 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: We brought you. 300 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 3: In for this moment. We got rid of Southgate because 301 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 3: he bottled it, because he weren't brave. We brought you 302 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: in for now to make that decision. We're one nil 303 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 3: up in a World Cup semi final. Bring on Rashford, 304 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: bring on Sacker and if they score, they score. 305 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: But at least we're. 306 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 3: Gonna go down fighting leave. We're gonna go down with 307 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: some pride. We fell out of the World Cup in 308 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: disgrace because of him, because of him, and we brought 309 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: him in for this job. This is what we brought 310 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: him in for to get us over this line. And 311 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: it's the same old England, same old crap, same old guff. 312 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 3: I have to Jeffrey tournament that we're in and it's 313 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: the managers tucked us up again, tucked us up. We're 314 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 3: on with bed on that feet. The Morgan Rogers playing 315 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: right wing dude betting them on the left, brings on 316 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 3: the co rightly. We can't get out. Harry Kaine's done nothing, nothing, 317 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 3: got nothing left. 318 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I don't. 319 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: Can't believe it. I can't believe it. It's a disgrace. 320 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: I should be sacked, came out done. 321 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, he should be sacked. 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People are ranking him. 383 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: After being second last year. He was number two. The 384 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 1: NFL Top one hundred is voted by players. He was 385 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 1: second last year sixty ninth. 386 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 2: This year, go ahead right drops the sixty ninth amongst 387 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: his peers. He's outside of the top ten in multiple 388 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: quarterback lists. 389 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: UH what's going on? 390 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: Has everybody forgotten about Labar Jackson? 391 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: So I want to get your take on it in 392 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 1: a second. But first here's here's why this is not 393 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: nothing to me, and it's at least somewhat notable. It 394 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: says to me, Demanse that there is some level of 395 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: concern amongst you know. So it's because it's a it's 396 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: a diverse array of lists, right, So Colin had his list, 397 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: He's out of the top ten the Scouts Coaches Executives list. 398 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: He's out of the top the player's ranking, which is 399 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: kind of a fuzzy list. He's going sixty nine. Is 400 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: weird because it's like him versus every position. But there 401 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,439 Speaker 1: are certainly going to be at least ten more quarterbacks 402 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: on the list, So he's out of that top ten. Right. 403 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: So it's a players, people that work for teams, media 404 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: with a level of Lamar's skepticism. And I think that 405 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: speaks to the fact that people are wondering two things. 406 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: One does is he still a dynamic runner? Like last 407 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: year he basically lost as many yards in sacks as 408 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: he gained running the ball, Like is that as an 409 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, a middle aged quarterback. Is that 410 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: out of his game and how will that impact the 411 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: rest of his game? And the other thing I think 412 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: people are can concerned about is has he now entered 413 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: the injury prone category for quarterbacks. The problem with the 414 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: injury prone thing hurting his ranking is it's sure as 415 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: hell doesn't seem to be hurting Joe Burrows. And Joe Burrows, 416 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, injured the same amount as Lamar. Like Joe 417 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: Burrow and Lamar have actually over the last five years, 418 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: like played almost the identical amount of games, so you 419 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: can say they are equal injury concerns, even though I 420 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: think some people probably think Burrow's far more. That's not 421 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: really the case. But it's not hurting Burrow. So those 422 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: are the things that jump out to me. You know, 423 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: you really believe in Lamar and really like Lamar your 424 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: thought on all thoughts on all of this. 425 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: I think it's just a little recency bias, Like it's 426 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 2: a year he was banged up. I understand that, but 427 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: I just look at where a lot of people were 428 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: a year ago before last season. I just think that, 429 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: and he also has like a lot of proof of concept. 430 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: I don't know how he could have dropped this far down, 431 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: But I will say it's it's this is the type 432 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: of year, like he's got a new coach. It seems 433 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 2: like everything's kind of in place where if he doesn't 434 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: if he doesn't perform, that's just on him. And if 435 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 2: he gets injured again, then I do think it's fair 436 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: for you to be like he is an injury risk. 437 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 2: But I just think it's a big year for him. 438 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: But I also think that he's being disrespected at this point. 439 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: So listen, I think both of those things are objectively true. 440 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: I think it is a big year for him, and 441 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: I also think he is there is he is one 442 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: year removed from back to back first team All Pro seasons, 443 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: and there is a lot like listen, he has not 444 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: been We've talked about you know, I've talked about it 445 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 1: more here good in the playoffs, but he's been better 446 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: than Justin Herbert in the playoffs, and Herbert's high on 447 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: all these lists, you know what I mean. He is 448 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: injuries are a concern, but injuries are a concern for 449 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, and Burrow is high on all these lists. 450 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: So here is demand's a what my my gut feeling 451 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: is about why he has had this type of fall. 452 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: And this is you know, I guess is somewhat controversial 453 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: opinion for some people. I don't think it should be. 454 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: But whatever, despite the fact that Lamar has one of 455 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: a top three all time league passer rating, and despite 456 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: the fact that last year, even in an awful year, 457 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: he had a crazy good touchdown interception ratio and a 458 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: you know, a pretty good passer rating in a bad year, 459 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I think there is still a Belie leaf around the 460 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: league in some circles. And by the way, this is 461 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: a belief that I share that part of what has 462 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: allowed Lamar to thrive as much as he has as 463 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: a passer is the threat of him running, and that 464 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: teams don't necessarily defend Baltimore's passing attack the way they 465 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: defend the passing attack of some of the other elite quarterbacks, 466 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: and that if Lamar is on a significant downward trajectory 467 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: as far as running frequency and effectiveness, and if teams 468 00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: finally start to treat him defend him with less fear 469 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: of his running, that that will drastically impact his passing efficiency. 470 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: That's what I I think what these lists are saying 471 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: is they think the part of Lamar's game that has 472 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: made him the most special is deteriorating, and that even 473 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: though the numbers don't suggest it, his passing game, pure 474 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: passing game has not. 475 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 2: You know, gone aility has gone down. 476 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: You're right, has not. It has not evolved. It certainly 477 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: has a vault, but has not evolved enough to offset 478 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: what they're gonna lose from the running threat. And that 479 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: he is going to be defended a little differently if 480 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: he's less of a running threat. And the sacks last 481 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: year were bad. It was a lot of sacks for 482 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of yards. And that also speaks to a 483 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: lack of escapability. So I think all those things are 484 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: fair questions. But it does seem to me, and I'll 485 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: let you respond to this for it to move on. 486 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: I never thought he should have been rated, even coming 487 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: off the MVPs, the best quarterback in football, but he 488 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: has been on this list multiple times. That felt too extreme. 489 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: This all these folks saying he's not a top ten quarterback, 490 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: that also feels far too extreme. I I am very 491 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: interested in how he's going to jive with first time, 492 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,479 Speaker 1: with the new head coach, this new offensive coordinator, all 493 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: of that. Do you like what? Let me ask you 494 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: this before you, before we go or before we move on. 495 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: What do you think is more likely this season another 496 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: a year where he is a top an MVP finalist, 497 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: top three MVP finish, or a year where a downward 498 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: trajectory continues. 499 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: The first one, I believe in the first. I think 500 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 2: that he'll he'll have a good season over having a 501 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 2: bad one, and I just believe in him. I think 502 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 2: everything is in place for him and if you don't, 503 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 2: if it doesn't work out this year, then I do 504 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 2: think there are like serious discussions or ways you need 505 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 2: to start looking at it. 506 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. 507 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 2: But I think that if he had this season that 508 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: he had last year again this next season, then it 509 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: would have been fair where everybody's ranking him. But I 510 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: just there wasn't enough. It wasn't like last year was 511 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 2: this guy? 512 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: It was one year? Right, Yeah, And I'm curious based 513 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: on this where the players are gonna have Mahomes well, 514 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Mahomes got hurt, Mames didn't 515 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: have a good year. So here's what else. I think 516 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: the most likely outcome for Lamar next year is a 517 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: solid year where he's like the sixth or seventh best 518 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: quarterback in football. That's what I think is the most likely. 519 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: But if you're telling me he's either gonna have a 520 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: bad year or an MVP year, I think bad is 521 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: more likely than MVP. I think that it is the 522 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: injuries and the lack of running and that stuff. I 523 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: think it's more likely that that is catching up to 524 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: him than we see another unstoppable season. Now again, the 525 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: most likely is neither of those and somewhere in the middle. 526 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: But I am I'm not quite as bullish as you are. 527 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: When you guys hear this, I guess it's possible Lebron 528 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: will have made his decision. I think it is highly unlike. 529 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: I think it's unlikely that he decides on Thursday. We're 530 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: recording this on Thursday. You guys are gonna hear this 531 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: on Friday. I understand that you know, you guys this 532 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: All the Sixers have reached out to Bron. Draymond and 533 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,840 Speaker 1: Bron are super tight. Steve Kerr, I think jokingly told 534 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,280 Speaker 1: some fans we got him. Here is how I would 535 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: handicap it. At the moment, I think Cleveland is the 536 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:33,720 Speaker 1: clear favorite. I think Philly is more possible than people 537 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 1: are really giving it credit. And I think the Warriors 538 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,879 Speaker 1: are the dark horse, and I think that is the 539 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 1: full list. I don't think it's Miami. I never ever 540 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: thought it was Minnesota, and while there was a little 541 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: buzz around Denver, I don't think that's likely. I think 542 00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: that phil makes a lot of sense, except for it 543 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: just would feel the weirdest of the three. Golden State 544 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: I don't believe has enough, and they haven't seemed able 545 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: to acquire Anthony Davis. And I think Cleveland makes more 546 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 1: sense basketball wise than some folks are giving it credit. 547 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: I think Harden is probably more movable than people recognize 548 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: if they were to need to do that. And I'm 549 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: going to add one little bonus thought that I said 550 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:47,879 Speaker 1: to Colin, and this is again just reading Tea leaves, 551 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: because they are keeping this close to the best. I 552 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: am not certain. I'm not certain that in order to 553 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: play with Draymond, Lebron has to go to Golden State. 554 00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,239 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm saying. In fact, that's exactly what 555 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying that I am just not certain the only 556 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: way he can play with Draymond is go to Golden State. 557 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: Draymond obviously also opted out of his deal, and I 558 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 1: just think there is that in order to play with Steph, 559 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: he obviously has to go to Golden State. In order 560 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: to play with Draymond, he probably has to go to 561 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: Golden State. I don't know that he definitely has to 562 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: go to Golden State to play with Draymont. What I 563 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,879 Speaker 1: will say is and where I disagree with my pal 564 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: Bill Simmons vehemently, and I kind of agree more with 565 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,360 Speaker 1: Zach Lowe on this one. If he were to sign 566 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: with Cleveland or Philly, that team absolutely can make the finals. 567 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: And if you could make the finals, you win the championship. 568 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: Like the last team to make the to be draw 569 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,120 Speaker 1: truly drawing dead in the finals was probably the heat 570 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,080 Speaker 1: against Lebron and AD's Lakers. Like we have seen underdogs 571 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: win finals over the last decade and certainly come really 572 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: close it, particularly in the Pacers case. So I I 573 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: think there is a better chance. I think if Lebron 574 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: goes out east and picks Philly or Cleveland, that team 575 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 1: can absolutely get to the finals. You can get to 576 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,520 Speaker 1: the finals, you can win the championship. And I think 577 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: he Mike right now, if you were to offer me 578 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:50,319 Speaker 1: an even money bet, my bet would be Cleveland. I 579 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 1: don't think Philly is out of it, as weird as 580 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: that would be potentially, and I think Golden State right now, 581 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 1: barring a significant transaction, is pretty clearly in third place. 582 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: How I read it, boost Mobile proving you don't have 583 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: to overpay for great wireless Unlock the savings with twenty 584 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: five dollars a month forever unlimited plan, permanent price with 585 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: no contracts and no price hikes, and you can keep 586 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: your phone and your number, but you save up to 587 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: six hundred dollars a year compared to the major carrier. 588 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,359 Speaker 1: Stop overpaying. 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I don't know why 597 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: I said hold up now, I'd like to say that, well, 598 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: KD was just talking about you know, bald Nick right 599 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 1: shaved head Nick Right, and he and I sense of 600 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,359 Speaker 1: mind defenses because I thought we had mind defenses. But 601 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: when this was I was told about this because I'm 602 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 1: not active on Instagram. I then I did dm KD 603 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,319 Speaker 1: and he was very funny to his credit, and I 604 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: know what he was doing, and I think it is cheeky, 605 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: so to speak, and so I one second, let me 606 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:37,600 Speaker 1: get get it for you guys, and not surprisingly like I, 607 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 1: I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this. As soon 608 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: as I sent it, he responded, I sent the old 609 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: question guy emoji this guy, and I wrote, I thought 610 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: we were cool, now hate to see it. And his 611 00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: response to I thought we were cool, was what made 612 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,439 Speaker 1: you think that? It is legitimately funny? But I guess 613 00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 1: I had gotten information. And again, I don't want to 614 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 1: betray confidences, but I don't think this is betraying confidences. 615 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: And I actually think Durant comes out looking really good here. 616 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: So I'm going to share the interaction with you guys. 617 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 1: He wrote to me, It's just an opinion on your skills. 618 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: But I don't matter. I'm not your bosses. They love you, 619 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: that's all that matters. And I, because I'm me, and 620 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: I can't help myself responded to him to be fair 621 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: in my craft much like you and yours. My skills 622 00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: are pretty unimpeachable. My opinions are of course a matter 623 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 1: of debate. And then I wrote, you know, but all good, 624 00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: no hard feelings, because I do think it's totally we 625 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: are in the business of critiquing, criticizing athletes. We have 626 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: to be totally fine when they do it back to us. 627 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:58,360 Speaker 1: And then he was very funny in my opinion where 628 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 1: he really did try to put but due to us, 629 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: which I think he feels we do to them, which 630 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: is he wrote, you show up every day, so there's 631 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to move up on my all 632 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: time list. And so that's not the entirety of the interaction, 633 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,600 Speaker 1: it's most of it. You get the gist of it. 634 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,120 Speaker 1: So a few things quickly on it. One, I got 635 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 1: no issue whatsoever if the I did take some cheap 636 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 1: ish shots at Durant when he was with the Nets. Again, 637 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: I've apologized for those. That's why I guess I said 638 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 1: I thought we were cool, but maybe not if he 639 00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, if he is still upset about that, totally fair. 640 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,120 Speaker 1: And if he's not still upset about that but it's 641 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: been upset about things I've said after that. Again, totally 642 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: fair like that he is. Nothing he said there was 643 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: out of bounds, obviously publicly or privately. Why would he 644 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,680 Speaker 1: be upset with me? The question people are asking. I 645 00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: have a few theories. One, you know, I know you 646 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: know he thinks that I give a favorable coverage to 647 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: guys that I have personal relationships. I shouldn't say I know. 648 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: I have a feeling that he thinks I give favorable 649 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: coverage to guys I have a personal relationship with, and 650 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: therefore maybe have been unfair to him. I try to 651 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:27,040 Speaker 1: be very clear about any relationships or biases I have, 652 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: and I don't think I've been unfair to him. Certainly 653 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: in the last few years. Again, I was a little, 654 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 1: as they would say, in the World Cup season, cheekier 655 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: than I needed to be in some of the net stuff. 656 00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,400 Speaker 1: But I again I've since apologized for that. So there's 657 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,840 Speaker 1: that piece of it. I don't think I do. Again, 658 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:56,280 Speaker 1: this is just blind guessing that he thinks I don't 659 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: rank him as high as he deserves to be. I 660 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,439 Speaker 1: think he's one of the twenty greatest players of all time. 661 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: But I've been very adamant. I don't think you can 662 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: possibly make the argument he's one of the ten greatest 663 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,240 Speaker 1: players of all time. Maybe that drubbed him the wrong way. 664 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: And last, but not least, I was pretty critical this 665 00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 1: year about what I you know, the social media stuff 666 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: that I think wrecked the Rockets locker room, and his 667 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,359 Speaker 1: culpability in that. That is, I believe I was more 668 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,000 Speaker 1: than fair there. But and again I'm blind guessing any 669 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 1: of those things could be a reason, you know, he's 670 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,680 Speaker 1: displeased with me. It also might be none of those things, 671 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,080 Speaker 1: just he's never likes me, or he thinks I have 672 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,160 Speaker 1: shitty opinions, or he thinks I don't know ball who knows. 673 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: I just do know that I don't think I get 674 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 1: as not I don't think I know. I don't get 675 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,879 Speaker 1: as worked up as some of my colleagues do. When 676 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 1: these guys treat us the way we treat them, we're 677 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 1: also in the public eye. We're also a level of celebrity. 678 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: We also are public figures that do an entertainment based job. 679 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,879 Speaker 1: And if those folks want to criticize how we do 680 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: our work the way we criticize how they do their work, 681 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: that is a thousand percent fair, and everybody doesn't have 682 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,720 Speaker 1: to like everybody. With that said, I actually do like Durant. 683 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: I find him really fascinating. I think he's really interesting. 684 00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,719 Speaker 1: I don't think there's ever been an athlete quite like 685 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,400 Speaker 1: him when it comes to the way he interacts with 686 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 1: fans and media and all of that. And I obviously 687 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: have massive, massive respect for him as a player. And 688 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040 Speaker 1: so is there a part of me that wishes like 689 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 1: he thought what I did was good? Sure? It probably is. Yeah, 690 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:50,960 Speaker 1: a little sad, but it's what I'm not gonna do 691 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 1: is stare at the camera and be like, this is 692 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: what No, what he said, It's totally fine. I don't, though, understand. 693 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,279 Speaker 1: I don't think basketball wud actually move forward if I 694 00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: wasn't involved. I don't think I'm holding the sport of 695 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: basketball back. I will say that just my opinion. I 696 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,680 Speaker 1: think that's overstating it just a bit.