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Speaker 1: Not everybody even knows who I am, and not everybody

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Speaker 1: sometimes I'm still mad, um, but I've come to a

424
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 1: place of gratitude where it's like, yeah, you know, that's

425
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: why I'm able to walk into these boardrooms where no

426
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: one looks like me, and I don't expect that they

427
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 1: look at me and see their neighbor, you know. I

428
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 1: know that they look at me and see some strange,

429
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,960
Speaker 1: tall black girl and wonder what in the hell I'm

430
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 1: talking about and what I'm doing, you know, And it

431
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: and allows me to just continue holding my head up

432
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: high because I've already faced that, I faced it been

433
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 1: like this. It's been like this forever, so nothing's really changed.

434
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 1: If you and if you really really embrace and are

435
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: fueled by being so so different and so powerful than it,

436
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,159
Speaker 1: you know, it moves you into places that you never

437
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 1: thought you could go. People do know, obviously that that

438
00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 1: a black woman has way more challenges in business than

439
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 1: a white man. But I want to know if there

440
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 1: is anything about being a black woman that has helped

441
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: you in business like meaning and I don't mean like

442
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: based on the experiences you had as a child which

443
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: made you stronger. I mean, like something more unexpect you

444
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: know that we wouldn't even imagine, you know. Gosh, I

445
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: am consistently and continuously underestimated all the time, all the

446
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 1: time because of um, not just my blackness, but also,

447
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 1: like I said, my my love for sequence and all

448
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,880
Speaker 1: things like glitter. Um. People I don't feel that they

449
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: usually take me very seriously, you know when I'm sitting

450
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 1: at the table, um and probably dismissed me most of

451
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 1: the time. And so when I then come at them

452
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: with my knowledge and the ideas and all those things

453
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: I can, I like, it's so much fun. Like sometimes

454
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: I just watch people react and I'm like, yeah, you

455
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: didn't see that coming. Huh yeah, exactly, sit down, yes,

456
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: you know. Um, And it's so and it's so good,

457
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,120
Speaker 1: it's so it's so wonderfully um affirming. But it's also

458
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: really frustrating to you know, because I'm like, seriously, how

459
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: much more do I have to prove? Like are you

460
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: kidding me? Like, look at where I've been, look at

461
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: the things I've done, Like how much more do I

462
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: have to prove to you? Then I actually know when

463
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: the hell I'm doing, but it is it is my power, though,

464
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: it's absolutely my power. Absolutely. I want to talk about

465
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: one other thing that I've been meaning to talk to

466
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: you about, and it's going to be related to audience,

467
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: which will get back to which will connect back to Netflix.

468
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 1: But I've never really understood. I never really understood and

469
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: being on television until I was really on television, what

470
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: the audience is. I never thought about who they are

471
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: until I was on UM reality TV, and then I realized,

472
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: oh wait, these are living, breathing people who when I

473
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: go through a breakup, they feel like they identify with me.

474
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: And I know who my audience is conceptually, but I

475
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: never really thought about exactly who they are and how

476
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 1: an audience grows. And this is exactly what you're thinking about,

477
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,719
Speaker 1: I'm sure in your new job or some of it.

478
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 1: So a few months ago in the Black Lives movement

479
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 1: really had taken hold after the murder of George Floyd,

480
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: and the world was going crazy, and I just wanted

481
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: to find my entry point. I wanted to give back

482
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: the black community in a way that seemed authentic and

483
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: genuine for me, you know, and also knowing my place

484
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: as a white woman in America. So but I do

485
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: have a voice, and I do have the means, and

486
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: I do have a platform, and be Strong has become

487
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 1: a real reputable, charitable, charitable initiative. So I thought that

488
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: raising and donating money from be Strong to small black

489
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: owned businesses was a great way to make a mark

490
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: and to help a community that had been hit hard,

491
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 1: not just financially but emotionally. Like that was just a

492
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: moment where I mean it was just enough. You know,

493
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: the black community had hit the wall, so and and

494
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 1: so I just I thought it was a great idea.

495
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: And I still think it was a great idea to

496
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: raise money for small black owned businesses. Well, I cannot

497
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: explain the backlash I got. I was called a racist.

498
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: People were criticizing me for giving back to one community

499
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: and not another one and not all and you know,

500
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: um the problem. I mean, it was crazy, it was

501
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: outrageous crazy. I just it's there's so much craziness and

502
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: so much anger. And I realized a lot of who

503
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: my audience is and I was embarrassed. I mean that's

504
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: the truth. I was thinking, these are my people who

505
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: have you know, bought my products and are threatening not

506
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: to buy my products for this, and I was thinking,

507
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: fuck you. I mean that's what I was. I was

508
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: literally thicking funk off. And so anyway, I just found

509
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: that fascinating because that was a different side of people

510
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,719
Speaker 1: using the word racism, and I just I was like,

511
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: I was absolutely stunned. So I just wanted to tell

512
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: you that story. Well that but that's the Bethany is

513
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: that you are on the right side of history. And

514
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: it's never been easy, never ever ever been easy to

515
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: be on the right side because people love to just

516
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: keep doing what they've been doing. You know, Change and

517
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: disruption is very uncomfortable. It requires sacrifice and requires actually

518
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: looking at yourself in the mirror and being like, oh,

519
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: am I contributing to the problem? Like I know I'm

520
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: not a bad person, and I know I love everybody,

521
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: But am I contributing to the problem? And how do

522
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: I contribute to the solution? You know? And then once

523
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: you start to do it, other people than have to

524
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: check themselves. That's what you feel, you know, That's what

525
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: they're reacting to, is the reaction of looking at themselves

526
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: and being like, damn it. If Bethany is gonna do something,

527
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: damnit like, why am I ID have to do something too?

528
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: And they don't want to do it. They don't want

529
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: to do it, and so it's really their reaction to themselves.

530
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: It's not even a reaction to you. And that's what

531
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: is so ridiculous about it. But don't we see this

532
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: all the time? Right? People actually aren't taking out their

533
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: anger on you because of you. They're taking out their

534
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: anger because of themselves. They are pissed at themselves that

535
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: they don't have the courage, the strength in new ingenuity

536
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: to actually create solutions, and therefore they have to take

537
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: it out on somebody who's actually doing it. Right. Here's

538
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: the thing I liked the forum. I like listening to people.

539
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: They were sort of like it was. I had never

540
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: had my Instagram be like a rally. I was listening

541
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: to people commenting back and forth, and I don't mind

542
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: if there's a conversation. I want to hear people's opinions.

543
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: I think people were you know, people vote in secret

544
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: and are so taboo about politics because if you say

545
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: what you really feel, people bully each other, people curse

546
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: you out because you don't believe what they believe. People

547
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: will say, oh, I'm educated and so you're not, so

548
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: you don't know anything. But the person who's not educated

549
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: gets to vote also, so you gotta listen to somebody

550
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: who's not educated, somebody who is educated. You gotta listen

551
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: to everything. So I enjoyed listening to it all because

552
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: then I'm hearing who the who people are. Like. You

553
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: can't just like, only listen to your own thoughts, yes,

554
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: not what people are doing right now politics in the world,

555
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: people are only listening to their own thoughts, and other

556
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: people are filtering down. So everyone's got this costume on

557
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: and this Instagram filter on, whether they're pretending to be

558
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: instead of saying that they really are. And it's annoying.

559
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: And that's why I did a podcast exactly why I

560
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: love it. Listen, I'm glad you've right by the way,

561
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 1: I've been advising a lot of business leaders and a

562
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: lot of people are in the public eye about what

563
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: to do in this moment. And it truly is about

564
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: your own evolution, you know, and we have this paralysis

565
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: of perfection that is so detrimental to us. Fear based.

566
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: It's all fear based. It's all fear based. And by

567
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: the way, if we all remembered that we are actually

568
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: human and that we are on a continuum to evolution,

569
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be so scared. It's like, yes, of course

570
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna make them stay. Of course you're gonna say

571
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: the wrong thing. Don't be scared of that. Do it anyway,

572
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: and then when you learn the lesson, fix it, and

573
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: by the way, you might do it again. And that

574
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: is okay too. Just as long as you keep moving forward,

575
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: as long as you keep learning, as long as you

576
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: keep shifting, as long as you keep evolving, it is okay.

577
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: And I wish that from the other side, right, for

578
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: those who are into cancel culture, that they've actually been

579
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: more empathetic. I wish that was let breathe, you know,

580
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: to allow allow for mistakes to happen, allow for learning

581
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: and growth to happen. Because the pressure to change not

582
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: just individuals, but corporations and therefore a larger society is

583
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: based on failure. You know, it's based on people making mistakes,

584
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,719
Speaker 1: doing the wrong thing, and learning from them. But if

585
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: we're not open to that, then guess what, there is

586
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: no growth, there's no change. So we have to do

587
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: we have to be open to exactly exactly how do

588
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: you know exactly who your Netflix audiences? And I don't

589
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: mean just statistics and focus groups, I mean who is

590
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: your audience? What are you growing your audience to be? Like? What?

591
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: How are you um bridging entertainment with social responsibility? And also,

592
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: you know it's so much content and so much competition.

593
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a gold rush. And how to

594
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, let let let shows breathe and not be

595
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: a cancel culture while also being one of the four

596
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, when I say thanks Stocks, people may not

597
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: know Facebook, you know, Amazon, Netflix, and Google. So how

598
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: are you navigating that? Yeah? Well, I won't pretend is

599
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: if I know all the answers just yet. But what

600
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: I know is what I have already done and what

601
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: I believe is the right thing when you're talking to

602
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: audiences and engaging them, right, I am a human. We

603
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: often are so reliant on the algorithm and on data

604
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: and on subscribers and figuring out growth in a way

605
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: that is not human. You know, we forget to pay

606
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: attention to emotion rationale. You know, what people are not

607
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: just feeling, but how they are dealing. You know, this

608
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: very moment in time is so different from any other,

609
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: and so what is the real value and role that

610
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: a company like Netflix can play, or how can it

611
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: be a companion in everybody's lives? You know, right now,

612
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: there's no expert on that. There's a little expert on

613
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: knowing what the human condition needs right now and what

614
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: they need in their entertainment and what they're digesting. And yeah,

615
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: people need different things, and so it is less about

616
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: how to just continue growing subscribers, because I believe that

617
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: that happens when you do it right anyway, you know,

618
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: and remembering our humanity, you know, it's like and by

619
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: the way that I always I also say, you know,

620
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: focused group of one all the time, because it's like

621
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: whatever you're feeling, other people are feeling. If you're feeling

622
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: nervous or anxious, scared, maybe a little hopeful, a little innovative.

623
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: You know, maybe you're feeling closer to family or friends,

624
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: or you're trying to find your comfort. So is everybody else. Then,

625
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: So how is the product or service that you have

626
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: solving that for people? And how are they coming to

627
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: you for that comfort or for that piece or for

628
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: that joy? You know, what is the emotion that you're

629
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: trying to solve? And and that's the only way to

630
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,239
Speaker 1: create real plans that will engage an audience. That's it.

631
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 1: That's the only thing you can do other than that

632
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: probably failing. And you're telling people at home basically that

633
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: the best ideas are usually the simplest ones, not the

634
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: most complicated ones, the most you know, the simplest. Um.

635
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: I want to I want to ask about your husband, Peter,

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Speaker 1: who passed away, yes, almost seven years ago. I'm very sorry,

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Speaker 1: and I want to know what he would have said

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Speaker 1: now about your where you are in your life and

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00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,239
Speaker 1: where your trajectory has taken you from, you know, the

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Speaker 1: time that you were together and when he passed, Man, listen,

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Speaker 1: he he would be so tickled. I think he'd be

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Speaker 1: so excited and and just like I would not be

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Speaker 1: able to he would not believe it. He really wouldn't. Really. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was so much more um tempered than I am.

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Speaker 1: There was only one peacock in the family, exactly. He

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Speaker 1: was the one that kept me grounded. Um. And actually

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Speaker 1: something very basic, but but maybe a little profound, is

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Speaker 1: that he's the one who had my resume really and

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00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: when he died, I didn't where it was. Oh you

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00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: mean literally literally had my resume like literally on his

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00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: laptop had my resume. If there was another job I

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00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: was going for, he'd be the one who update it,

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Speaker 1: you know, because he was just practical that way. Um,

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Speaker 1: And when he died, I was at Pepsi. It was like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the best of times and the the worst of

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00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: times in it was like that Super Bowl I'd orchestrated

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Speaker 1: for Beyonce super Bowl halftime show and it was also

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00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: the same year Peter died, and it was just like

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Speaker 1: just the most dramatic of years. And coming out of that,

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I think I need more Imagine this, Bethany,

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Speaker 1: That's why I need more change. I think, okay something,

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00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: something's gotta like, I gotta do something, you know, I

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00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: can't just sit in my apartment in New York and

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Speaker 1: like I just needed I just needed something. And so

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Speaker 1: I met Jimmy Iveen and Dr Dre and Ian Rodgers

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Speaker 1: who were creating a new business off of the Beats

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00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: by Dre business. They were going to start a music

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Speaker 1: streaming service, and I literally I had a panic moment

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Speaker 1: because I was like, I don't have my resume, Like

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Speaker 1: how will I even recreate one? And it was like

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Speaker 1: when I tell you like my soul shook, you know,

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Speaker 1: like just unsettling. And it seems like such a small thing,

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Speaker 1: but it was such a big Like you think of

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Speaker 1: all the other things, right that could scare you, or

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Speaker 1: you got to move across the country. You gotta, you know,

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Speaker 1: start this other business you have never heard, you've never

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00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: heard of before. But no, it was my resume, that's

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00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't have it, and Peter

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00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: had it. And the fact that I have not used

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Speaker 1: a resume since that day is one of the blessings

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Speaker 1: that I know he is orchestrating. I know it for

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Speaker 1: sure as I sit here and talk to you, because

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 1: there has not been one job since then that has

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Speaker 1: asked me for a resume. Amazing, Oh, he would be.

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Speaker 1: He would be laughing at me right now, being like, see,

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Speaker 1: I told you you're gonna be fine. I told you

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Speaker 1: you'd be all right. That's so fun, that's amazing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's better my husband passed away and have my resume

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00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: is better than my dog ate my homework. I will

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Speaker 1: say that, but you don't need either excuse And wow,

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Speaker 1: my god, so good good. I've never I've never actually

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00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: told anyone that. Wow, well I know I could talk

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Speaker 1: to you forever, and I want to meet you in

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00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: person one day and have a drink, and I want

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00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: to see what you're wearing. Well, actually, let me describe

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00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: right now. I am. I am in Cabo, and I

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00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: am taking a low break, and I am in a

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Speaker 1: fire orange reddish bikini with cutouts and a full face

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00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: of makeup, because that's what I do. Well, maybe you'll

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00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: send us a picture and we can post it on

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Speaker 1: the day that this airs. And then what will you wear?

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Speaker 1: What will you wear on your first day back to

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Speaker 1: work in the office is my last and final important question.

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Speaker 1: What will you wear on your first day back? Oh gosh,

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00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: that's a really important question. Oh that's a hard one.

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Speaker 1: I think. I think it has to have sequence. I'm dying.

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Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm shining right, So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: got to be sequence. That's what I'm gonna do. All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: the next time I wear my sequence, I'm gonna send

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Speaker 1: you a picture. You are amazing. I'm so thrilled that

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Speaker 1: you're my first guest. Like it's symbolic and it starts

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Speaker 1: this off at the right tone, and I just thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Thank you, Bethany. This is awesome. I'm

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Speaker 1: so proud of you and this is a great, great,

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Speaker 1: great platform, and thank you for using your voice. Really,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm so inspired. Well, I'm proud of you too

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Speaker 1: and everything you do with pencils of promise and just

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Speaker 1: I'm just proud of you also, So have the best

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Speaker 1: time in Cabo and go get them at Netflix. All right,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Bethany. Wow, how amazing was that? That was

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Speaker 1: just so fascinating and interesting, And you a good unconventional

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00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: wisdom and what a powerhouse woman. She uses what could

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Speaker 1: be perceived as a weakness by somebody else as a

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Speaker 1: strength and just walks in with sequence and wearing bright

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Speaker 1: colors and just says, here, I am, I am the Emperor,

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Speaker 1: and I have new clothes. But is that the emperor

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Speaker 1: new clothes? What is it the empress the emperors that

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00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: has no clothes? Not new clothes? Sorry, I am the

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Speaker 1: Emperor and I do have clothes in there. Amazing. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for subscribing, Thank you for listening, and remember to

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Speaker 1: comment and post and go on my Instagram. We want

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Speaker 1: to hear what you think. So I'm excited to be

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Speaker 1: back here with you again. Talk soon. Just Be is

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Speaker 1: hosted an executive produced by me Bethany Frankel be Real

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Speaker 1: Productions and Endeavor Content. Our managing producer is Samantha Allison

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Speaker 1: and our producer is Caroline Hamilton's. Corey Preventre is our

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Speaker 1: consulting producer, with the ever faithful Sarah Katanac as our

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Speaker 1: assistant producer. Our development executive is nine and tar Voi

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