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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories, done done.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up everyone, It's that's messed up podcast, an SVU

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<v Speaker 2>pot I messed it up.

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<v Speaker 3>But hey, my name is Lisa Trager. I have true truly.

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<v Speaker 2>This is episode one hundred and fifty six, and I

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<v Speaker 2>messed up the name of our podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to fly to hot too close to the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trying to mix it up every time, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's hard by.

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<v Speaker 3>Your other host.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a mess already, and I'm loving it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>an SVU recap podcast. We talk about the true crime

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<v Speaker 1>it's based on, and then we also interview a guest,

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<v Speaker 1>usually which we have not been doing. But by the

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood Strike of the Century is over. The SAG strike

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<v Speaker 1>has ended. Well, it hasn't really been voted on yet,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm seeing all these people go watch out for

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<v Speaker 1>this AI stuff. But it looks like it's over and

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to be working to get some guests

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<v Speaker 1>back online in the future, so stay tuned for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're really excited about that. I did want to

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<v Speaker 2>say I wore our fanny packs. I really like our merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry guys, but I was wearing the that's messed up

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<v Speaker 2>fanny pack. And I went to our our weed store

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<v Speaker 2>in our neighborhood, and the security guard there he's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's your podcast, And I was like, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you know it was mine? He goes, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>be representing, and I was like, do I look like

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<v Speaker 2>a door? Like how did you know? I wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>supporting a different podcast. I know because I've seen people

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<v Speaker 2>at our shows with the fanny pack, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how he knew I was wearing my own merch.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, because this famously happened to me at Jumbo's

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<v Speaker 2>clown Room, a strip club where they do keep their

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<v Speaker 2>clothes on, and a stripper from the from the stage went,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I love your fanny pack.

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<v Speaker 3>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I had to tell her it's my own podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>Keep dancing, bitch. I I'm embarrassed, but I did buy.

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<v Speaker 2>So my friend's boyfriend works at packs and so I've

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<v Speaker 2>he gifted me one of these pens, like years Zoo

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<v Speaker 2>and I've never used it because I like the burn

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<v Speaker 2>of a joint.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to make the worst vehicle possible for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I finally bought a little thing for the packs.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait for your journey. Should I try it

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<v Speaker 3>right now? I got Blue Dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hey, this isn't an ad, but I I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the documentary. I think the documentary was supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to be a why not to smoke packs and jewel, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It was said be a deterrent. But it's said for you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a full marketing ploy and it's worked.

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<v Speaker 3>I looked at the box and I go, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that vapor will save my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, but speaking of merch, I wanted to just mention

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<v Speaker 1>we've been posting it on our in but we have

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<v Speaker 1>a new t shirt. You guys loved the sweatshirts that

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<v Speaker 1>we're wearing in our fall tour promo looks, and we

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<v Speaker 1>decided to make Lisa's sweatshirt in that one, the Crimson one,

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<v Speaker 1>into a merch item. It is on the Exactly Right

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<v Speaker 1>store dot com. It's up and it's gonna ship in

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<v Speaker 1>early December. So if you want it for Christmas gifts,

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<v Speaker 1>you should get it soon because you know all the

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas shipping and all that shit, but it's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like an old school college sweatshirt that says that's

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<v Speaker 1>messed Up, Established twenty twenty and then in the center.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't tell all the time from our promotion of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it does say ambitious and tipsy and has like

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of like cute that's messed up seal

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<v Speaker 1>on it if you will. So if you are a

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<v Speaker 1>student at That's messed Up, you you need to grab this. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>the do you Have Children Detective shirts have been restocked.

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<v Speaker 1>They're now like a different They're now like a slouchy

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<v Speaker 1>T shirt. So they were like a muscle tea and

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<v Speaker 1>now it's a slouchy T shirt. Get involved one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>We love seeing you guys at our live shows popping

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<v Speaker 1>in in our merch.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so fun. It really is exciting. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, Liza and I famously have been running into each

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<v Speaker 1>other at the airport while meeting each other at the

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<v Speaker 1>airport dressed as twins in our purple That's Messed Up sweatshirt,

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<v Speaker 1>which is still available online, as well as the is

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<v Speaker 1>This Merch beanie. And speaking of popping into our live shows.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot let you guys not know that we are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in Sacramento on December thirteenth. We had

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<v Speaker 1>the best time in Sacramento last year. Please get your

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<v Speaker 1>tickets sack down. Our six pm New York show is

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<v Speaker 1>like dangerously close to selling out. I think, honestly there's

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<v Speaker 1>four tickets left. And then we added a nine o'clock show.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't embarrass us, you guys. If the six o'clock is

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<v Speaker 1>sold out and the nine o'clock doesn't have enough people,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna cry. I just think it will be a

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<v Speaker 1>really fun Christmas night together in New York at City Winery.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got amazing food, they've got a fun ambiance.

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<v Speaker 3>Grab a friend. Come on over, Philadelphia, Come on over, baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we're in Philly on the seventeenth, and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>kicking off the new year in Seattle at the Wet

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<v Speaker 1>City Comedy Festival on January seventh.

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<v Speaker 3>Lisa will be there on the sixth.

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<v Speaker 2>And your American flag regalia. We're gonna celebrate January sixth

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<v Speaker 2>and all of its glory because the election was a fraud, Jacob.

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<v Speaker 1>But go to go to that's messed up. Live dot

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<v Speaker 1>com that actually has the link to all of our

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<v Speaker 1>tickets as well as a link to the merch shop

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<v Speaker 1>in case you, like are driving and didn't get to

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<v Speaker 1>write down the website I said before our mert shop

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<v Speaker 1>and everything is linked at that's messed up live dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>You really got me on the promo. Yeah, you really

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<v Speaker 3>got it out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't handle one more person writing and going,

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<v Speaker 1>when's your Salt Lake City show? And I'm like, three

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<v Speaker 1>days ago, I'm so sorry you missed it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like we do our best. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>we don't get the word out sometimes. So that's here

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<v Speaker 1>I am yeah, hell yeah in the rooftops.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I also want to say that saying Sacktown is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's from.

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<v Speaker 1>A Tupac song. Oh really yeah, California Love.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I know that song.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that he talks about Sacramento in it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know that he called it Sacktown. I

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<v Speaker 2>obviously think of a ball sack. I think what listener

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<v Speaker 2>did not think of a ball sack from?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he says from Oakland to Sacktown, the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Area and back down. So yeah, I don't normally say sacktown.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like, I'm not like a person that says sack tone.

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<v Speaker 1>It just came to me from my love of Tupac.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like Jada over here. I can't stop talking about Tupac.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess wait, since the strike is over, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I would like to talk about Survival of the Thickest. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it is still on Netflix and I'm not on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 2>I got off for a few weeks, so if you've

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<v Speaker 2>been at all messaging me, I needed a break. But

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<v Speaker 2>garcel has gone viral and people are talking about it again,

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<v Speaker 2>so that makes me really happy. So and people at

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<v Speaker 2>our shows do come up and say they watched it

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<v Speaker 2>in a day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a real easy, cute, sweet fun watch. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you just said it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's on Netflix, so it's available, and it's brand name, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like Garcela is in it, Mochelle Vessage is in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's really fun and it's just like sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>It has like it's not at all like Shit's Creek,

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<v Speaker 1>but it gives me like that warm like right before

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<v Speaker 1>I go to bed positivity vibe of Shit's Creek, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not watching always Murder right before bed, which

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<v Speaker 1>we also.

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<v Speaker 3>Do plenty of times.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want a little palette cleanser, throw on

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<v Speaker 1>a survival of the Thickest.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was, you know, I watch a lot of TV.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just part of my life and I need it,

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<v Speaker 2>I want it, and I love adult animation, and so

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<v Speaker 2>something popped up on my Amazon. I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll watch it now. It's called The Good Family, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's from twenty thirteen or twenty twelve, which was really

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<v Speaker 2>shocking to me because it's making fun of like a progressive,

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<v Speaker 2>woke family. So I just but it's Mike Judge, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>from t twelve twenty thirteen, Like wow, it's ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>its time, but it's making fun of like freegins and

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<v Speaker 2>just like white families that't want to be progressive and

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<v Speaker 2>are always like worried about stuff, and everyone's annoyed by

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<v Speaker 2>the Good Family and like, I don't know, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so it was just wacky and ahead of its time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I wouldn't say it was good, but I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it two times through Wow because for Bed for.

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<v Speaker 3>Bed for bed, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a lot of cool people doing voices too,

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<v Speaker 1>like it has well, it's got Steve Correll's wife, Nancy Walls,

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<v Speaker 1>who I love. It's got Linda Cardellini. Oh, I love her,

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<v Speaker 1>love her. And then I'm just like paging through some

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<v Speaker 1>of the guests and it's like Julia Sweeney from SNL

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<v Speaker 1>and like Chree Summer and like people that it.

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<v Speaker 3>Just came out of nowhere and it's ten years old

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<v Speaker 3>and I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Had never guess who's a voice Deadrich Bader, your favorite?

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<v Speaker 1>The guys, the guy who's the husband on American Housewife

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<v Speaker 1>that Lisa is like, he has.

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<v Speaker 3>A wild name. No one can ever remember it. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't see her. I have a name. Drop listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I missed it. But du Lipa was at the comedy

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<v Speaker 2>store last night. No, yeah, one of the door guys

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<v Speaker 2>in a comic. He came up to me and he goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he'd been going up to dudes who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know who she was. So he showed me a photo

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<v Speaker 2>on his phone. He goes, she's here. And I start

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<v Speaker 2>jumping up and down and I do a dance where

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I bend down and start punching the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guys behind me were like, is this the

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<v Speaker 2>reaction that you wanted, and he goes yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think going up knowing what they want, I

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<v Speaker 3>love it. I think people were just like, no, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I was prepping for her, but by the

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<v Speaker 2>time I went up, she was gone. But I should

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<v Speaker 2>have just at least took a sneak peek. I love

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<v Speaker 2>to see celebrities in person to see how beautiful they are.

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<v Speaker 1>But I like that she was there. I really liked

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<v Speaker 1>du A Lipa's voice. I think she's great, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think we need to stop trying to make her dance.

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<v Speaker 3>She's just not gonna dance.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her live this past tour. She she killed it.

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<v Speaker 2>She's getting better, you know what I mean. Like it

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<v Speaker 2>was sexy, but her dancers do most of the work.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't have to dance. But it's like you are

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta shimeila, you have.

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<v Speaker 1>It around a little bit. Yeah, like Rihanna is like

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<v Speaker 1>in that vein. You know, they just kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of well because Arianna doesn't really have to dance that much,

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<v Speaker 2>but her voice is way more like she's not. The

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<v Speaker 2>voice is a higher octaves, there's range, and I just

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, do a, You're not losing your breath.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't you spin around a little bit? But I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the way that ever, the al the other guys

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<v Speaker 2>reacted to him explaining dua lipa me trying to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce to my friends that

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<v Speaker 2>are black has been comical to me because I've been

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<v Speaker 2>watching the videos over and over and over and they

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<v Speaker 2>had not seen it at all. They didn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>about Karma as a guy, and the chiefs like they

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<v Speaker 2>are not involved in any capacity. And it was like

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<v Speaker 2>the Watch What Happens Live game with Andy Cohen where

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<v Speaker 2>he asks.

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<v Speaker 3>Straight people like do straight people give a damn?

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<v Speaker 2>And then they like, he shows like pretty gay topics

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<v Speaker 2>and then the straight decide. And That's how I felt

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<v Speaker 2>going going around there. Oh my god, they could not

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<v Speaker 2>care less listen. I am fully reformed. I am a

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<v Speaker 2>full I It's it's hard not to think it's we

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<v Speaker 2>are but I'm all in. I'm all in. I love romance.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like so into it, it's really sick. I've watched

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the video of the dancers reacting at least

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five times. I've watched the video of him covering

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<v Speaker 2>his face dozens, if not a hundred times.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I cannot.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop watching the same thing. I feel like I'm twelve

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<v Speaker 2>years old discovering the Backstreet Boys again. Like it's this

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<v Speaker 2>mania I haven't felt in a really long time. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just keep listening to the songs. JK, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>this mania all the time. I'm playing my Mario Nintendo

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<v Speaker 2>switch and non stop. I get obsessed. I get obsessed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you focus in, you drill down, as

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<v Speaker 1>they say.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Yeah, I'm in the whirlwind.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been listening to all the albums.

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<v Speaker 2>I am just I'm just different now and I yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna see her in Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>I have decide also, or the UK, you know, brexit whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>This episode comes out a few days after Thanksgiving. We're

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<v Speaker 1>obviously on the time machine. It's not Thanksgiving yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say I'm very thankful for all

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<v Speaker 1>of our listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are so cool when you come to our

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<v Speaker 3>live shows.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys bring us like such thoughtful stuff, these like

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<v Speaker 1>friendship bracelets.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like we feel like Taylor Swift.

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<v Speaker 1>You're bringing us like good oh my god, chocolate, like

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<v Speaker 1>candy like I had, like cute gifts for my kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't even have to like your presence and

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<v Speaker 2>that is so magical that like we are not exaggerating.

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<v Speaker 2>Every venue we leave, we hear how great our audience is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like every club, every server is like your people can

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<v Speaker 2>come back anytime they want. Like truly, you guys are

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<v Speaker 2>We're like so proud that you guys are our listeners

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<v Speaker 2>and you're all. What makes me even more proud is

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<v Speaker 2>people psychologists fbi A, you know, sociology professors like listening

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<v Speaker 2>to us when we're covering topics that they are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of professional kind of they are professionals at and still

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<v Speaker 2>engaging with us.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like I feel proud. It's just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool to see fun ass powerful people coming to our shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, you guys are the best. So we're thankful for.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love stuffing. Yeah, thankful for stuffing. I love stuffing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my favorite. I would say that's my favorite Thanksgiving item.

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<v Speaker 1>Food item me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't we eat it all year round?

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<v Speaker 1>I just bought a box of it, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even care when I make this, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>keep it. I like got a box at Trader Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I want stuffing. Another time I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably do we just it's you know, and I feel Thanksgiving.

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<v Speaker 3>So bad for my mother.

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<v Speaker 2>She makes like her own and then makes me a

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<v Speaker 2>stovetop one and then she makes cranberry sauce and then

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<v Speaker 2>I eat it mine out of the can.

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<v Speaker 3>Same.

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<v Speaker 1>I always go, I don't want the fulberries, I want

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<v Speaker 1>the can And like, if there's ever like a fancy stuffing,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is there like a stovetop?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that is truly my favorite.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually took a gamble buying the Trader Joe's kind

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm like, I sat there and I go, should

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<v Speaker 1>I just go to a regular grocery store and get

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<v Speaker 1>stove talk?

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<v Speaker 2>So you trust Trader Joe's might as well try it,

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<v Speaker 2>like they do have good at high quality of products.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I bet it's good. I bet it's good. And

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<v Speaker 3>I I got.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy's plan. I learned like he did small parking

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<v Speaker 2>lots on purpose.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know that? No?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's cheaper, like you have to pay for all

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<v Speaker 2>that parking lot land. That's why his store and the

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<v Speaker 2>parking lot is tiny. His whole thing is like fuck

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<v Speaker 2>paying a lot for rent because that makes things more expensive.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's able. I had a key. I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know who the guy is, but they're able to keep

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<v Speaker 2>the prices lower because it's less real estate.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's why the parking lots are so topsy turvy. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>very smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I went to Whole Foods today to return

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<v Speaker 1>something Amazon, and the parking situation is annoying. Whole Foods

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<v Speaker 1>is so out of control how expensive it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, but nothing to me is like more beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>than the Whole Food's cut up fruit area, the pre

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<v Speaker 2>cut fruit. It's giant, it's every fruit. It's so colorful,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so bright, it's so fresh. I walk in and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like seeing God, Like, I just love the cut

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<v Speaker 2>up fruit.

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<v Speaker 3>There. I do that. I actually don't grow a free

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<v Speaker 3>shop at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I laid in my bed and I postmated Vaughns to

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<v Speaker 2>my house.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I needed water bottles because I know it's bad

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<v Speaker 2>for the environment, but it's the only way I hydrate.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a mental block, So I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not cleaning a straw. I'll get a disease. I'm That's

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<v Speaker 2>not where I thrive. Are we going to the mall today?

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<v Speaker 2>Should we get this going? Yeah, let's go. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to the mall. Guys, we gotta go to the mall.

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<v Speaker 2>We're go get in. We're going shopping. All right, stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome episode coming up. Okay, we are doing de Pray

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<v Speaker 2>Depravity Depravity Standard, Depravity Pravity. Yeah, Depravity Standard, Season seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>episode nine, And this is the second part of a

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<v Speaker 2>two parter. So if you did not listen to last

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<v Speaker 2>week's episode Manhattan Visual, and that is part one. And

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<v Speaker 2>these are like four seasons apart or three seasons apart,

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<v Speaker 2>so they really I wonder what the scheduling of this was.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think they planned on having two parts where

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<v Speaker 2>they decided to bring Tom.

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<v Speaker 3>Size more back to have twitches on the screen.

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<v Speaker 1>I there's no way they could have planned this and

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<v Speaker 1>been like, in three seasons, we're gonna get Tom size

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<v Speaker 1>more back. Like I feel like they you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>probably worked out with him being available and shit, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's and they decided to like do a second part

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, you love this woman.

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<v Speaker 1>That plays the mother, like they probably were like, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get this good, these good actors back. This Israeli actress

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<v Speaker 1>that plays the other boys mom. You know, there's like

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<v Speaker 1>a good little cast. Maybe they're like, let's get the

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<v Speaker 1>band back together and do a follow up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one hundred percent. It was good. I was into it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think they really weaved in clues from the

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<v Speaker 2>last episode into this seamlessly, Like it wasn't over exposition

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<v Speaker 2>in a way where you're like, okay, iced tea, you're

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<v Speaker 2>just telling us what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they really did it smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, if you don't want to listen to the

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<v Speaker 2>last week's episode, you'll get all the info throughout.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just gonna say something controversial up front. This

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<v Speaker 1>is like my least favorite Olivia hair, just like the butt,

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<v Speaker 1>like that stick straight to ripe below the chin. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not my favorite. Like I like her to have a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of body, you know, you like volume, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like volume.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just hard like the curly haired jew and me

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<v Speaker 2>is like jealous, you know, like I will always I

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<v Speaker 2>will always love that hair. I will always be jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>I will always be like, oh, what a lucky woman,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>As a child, I was so jealous of the girls

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<v Speaker 1>with like thin, like fucking emaciated hair that like was

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<v Speaker 1>like tiny, like they had barely any hair on their head.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, look at what a silky ponytail they have.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have my like curls, my baby curls that

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<v Speaker 1>will never get straight. And now I'm like happy that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the other way because my children have taken my hair.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but you're totally right, Like thinking about the thin

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<v Speaker 2>ponytails I was envious of is so laughable now, like,

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<v Speaker 2>of course I like a thick pony but I will

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<v Speaker 2>always it's just the ease.

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<v Speaker 3>Like my curls. It's just always so much.

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<v Speaker 1>But like your signature messy bun like that can't exist

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<v Speaker 1>when you have like skinny.

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<v Speaker 3>Little threads of blonde. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>But my favorite messy bun is my friend Little Frecks,

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<v Speaker 2>and her hair is like it's it flops around in

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<v Speaker 2>this way that I really enjoy. But it's just the

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<v Speaker 2>consistency I'm jealous of as well. Like with curl, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how the curl will look and these do

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<v Speaker 2>not DM me products. I have allergies, so I know

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<v Speaker 2>good products exist. I am struggling, okay, yes, so, and

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<v Speaker 2>and I thought I was out of the woods because

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<v Speaker 2>I keep thinking I'm gonna grow out of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then this trip, this road trip. By the end, my

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<v Speaker 2>legs are fully inflamed. The towels, the towels, I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Do me in. It's like, you know, one courtyard and

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<v Speaker 3>your fuck.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't like travel with a towel, Like you can't

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<v Speaker 1>put a damp towel back in your suitcase, like.

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<v Speaker 2>I just have to air dry or have a robe

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<v Speaker 2>of some kind. I don't know this is I will

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<v Speaker 2>start the episode. Okay, Okay, I cannot talk about my

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<v Speaker 2>my sores again. Sores make it sound worse. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>were you scared of a bola as a kid?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Terrible, too terrified.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you would look like an enchilada, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I pictured it in my head. I'm like, your

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<v Speaker 2>blood comes out and you're an enchilada.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, cares really taken by this? That is fun,

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<v Speaker 3>like my favorite thing to eat. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 3>I can even have one now, you know, I love it. Enchilada.

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<v Speaker 3>We will. Well, that's like what I thought of as

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<v Speaker 3>a kid. I also don't know why I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>thought of a bowla currently, Yah knows what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Hulu has this as an episode eight. It's

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<v Speaker 2>episode nine A two thousand and five, Oh the year

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<v Speaker 2>I graduated high school.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So we open with some.

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<v Speaker 2>Grainy footage and a close up of a man and

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<v Speaker 2>we hear a voice say, we just need to hear

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<v Speaker 2>you say it. And they're trying to get a confession.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is Tom Sizemore, which is a name I

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned last week. I've heard many times. He has two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty nine credits. Not one I've seen this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we talked to my reference.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah again to me, he's Heidi Flice's ex boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>and he has passed as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So and you told me.

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<v Speaker 2>Last week that he had issues with substance abuse and

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<v Speaker 2>he played it perfectly in this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I would say he looks he is good.

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<v Speaker 1>He is good as this character unless he's terrifying.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh do you think I don't know. I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm hoping not.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hoping he was like the way he just does

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<v Speaker 1>like wild eyes lit like dark, different places, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was like really buying into this character.

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<v Speaker 2>Blade, yeah Slade. So he's admitting to doing it but

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know the kid's name. And we hear Benson's voices

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<v Speaker 2>like Hector Rodriguez. Still it's just a close up of

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<v Speaker 2>his face, and then it's like he had a backpack.

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<v Speaker 2>He started talking to me and bothering me, and he

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<v Speaker 2>followed me back to my building and we pull back.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wearing a wife beater. Classic. He says, nothing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Benson pushes something happened. He again is like, nothing happened,

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<v Speaker 2>but he said he was going to tell his mother

0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 2>that something did happen. So that made Tom size more

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:52.439
<v Speaker 2>snap his neck. But nothing happened, but he did snap

0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the neck, and he was gonna lie about snapping the

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>neck but then decided not to and then he put

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 2>him under the concrete slab.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we're at Supreme Court too five.

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<v Speaker 2>He's in an orange hump suit and Benson's with Hector's

0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:04.680
<v Speaker 2>mom in the court audience.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is like the first time in all time

0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:09.880
<v Speaker 1>where the trial is actually in Like this is how

0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>long it would take a trial to go, Like it

0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:13.680
<v Speaker 1>would be three years later, But normally on the show,

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.639
<v Speaker 1>it's like the following week he's on the stand, you know,

0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Like in reality, it's like years before these people get

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<v Speaker 1>on the stamp but go on.

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so much scheduling.

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<v Speaker 2>I also wonder I've never really thought about what COVID

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<v Speaker 2>did to court and.

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<v Speaker 1>How Oh I'm on dry day right now, I'm on

0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:35.399
<v Speaker 1>jury duty right now? Wait what, I'm on jury duty

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<v Speaker 1>this week. I reschedule because of all of our storing,

0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, well, i'll be home that week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just do it that week.

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And but I just have to check in every night

0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:46.280
<v Speaker 1>online and it's so far it's told me you don't

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 1>have to come in. So I'll check in tonight and

0:22:47.640 --> 0:22:49.040
<v Speaker 1>it'll tell me if I have to go in tomorrow.

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:50.680
<v Speaker 1>If it tells me I have to go in tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say I have COVID or something because

0:22:52.280 --> 0:22:54.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm going on a field trip with my daughter and

0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to miss it.

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<v Speaker 3>But isn't that a good enough excuse. I'm chaperoning a

0:22:58.720 --> 0:23:00.360
<v Speaker 3>field trip, I think.

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 1>So it's like you have to like what you can postpone,

0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:05.679
<v Speaker 1>and I already did postpone, but like you can't, like

0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:07.320
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of it, just say, oh, a work

0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>thing came up, like you're supposed to, like you have

0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:09.520
<v Speaker 1>to be there.

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 3>So it is our civic duty.

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>And I do agree with jury duty, but it's my

0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:14.639
<v Speaker 1>daughter's first field trip, and I really feel like I

0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.920
<v Speaker 1>have to go. I also don't think I'll ever get

0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>picked for jury duty. If they're like, what do you do,

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I have a true crime podcast, Like I

0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 1>just don't think I'm ever I'm like, I watch Law

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 1>and Order for a living, Like, I don't really think

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.200
<v Speaker 1>that they're ever going to pick us.

0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:27.920
<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because famously, when I did get to go to

0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 2>jury duty, I sat in the box, I got interviewed,

0:23:33.000 --> 0:23:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I was sent home before lunch, but I was like crushing,

0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.120
<v Speaker 2>like I was killing at this thing because he said,

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.240
<v Speaker 2>does anyone have experience? And I've raised my This was

0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>this was before our podcast. I was still living in Chicago,

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:46.440
<v Speaker 2>but I raised my hand and he goes, oh. The

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:48.679
<v Speaker 2>judge was like, where do you have your crime knowledge?

0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.359
<v Speaker 2>I go I watch a lot of criminal television. And

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.199
<v Speaker 2>then everyone started laughing. The judge was cackling like I

0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:56.840
<v Speaker 2>was like killing it.

0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:01.159
<v Speaker 3>Who was like yeah?

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:03.399
<v Speaker 2>And then my friend worked downtown, so we met up

0:24:03.400 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>for lunch and I got to use my you know

0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:06.360
<v Speaker 2>cash that they give.

0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I don't know. I loved being a part

0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:10.119
<v Speaker 3>of it.

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>But I don't really know what's happening because it's like

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>no one's asked me a damn question. I just signed

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.240
<v Speaker 1>on to a computer every night, and then it goes,

0:24:16.400 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you don't okay, you don't have to come in tomorrow.

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, the items of people sitting upstairs never never picked.

0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I was lucky enough to be in the first group

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 2>got to sit in the jurors box answer questions, but

0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:28.240
<v Speaker 2>it was car.

0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Insurance, so I didn't want to be in there, Like, yeah,

0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:33.440
<v Speaker 3>I did jury duty one time.

0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Next sitting waiting to get called, sitting next to one

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Queer Eye guys, but the original Queer Eye guys,

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>the one who did interior design, the.

0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Original Oh, one of the og Fab five was just

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.760
<v Speaker 2>bartending and watch What Happens Live and Andy Cohen said,

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>you built this house.

0:24:49.040 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh and that was a house O Brambo.

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's true, and I loved that Andy gave

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it to you built this house. Not enough to be

0:24:57.000 --> 0:24:58.640
<v Speaker 2>on the couch, but we'll let you behind the.

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Bar, all right.

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>So we're in court. We're back, Baby Barba is there?

0:25:05.840 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>The defense attorney has a comb over. Mister Hoda, the

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 2>lawyer says, pleads guilty, but he has to say it

0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 2>out loud, and he's really struggling to do so he

0:25:13.600 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 2>looks at Benson and the crying mother and goes, no,

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:19.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing time for this, and Barba's like, ah, well,

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:21.280
<v Speaker 2>we had a deal that we cut to a uniform

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.680
<v Speaker 2>cop who is Alexander Karpovsky aka Ray from Girls aka

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Ray Pishanski aka auxiliary Cop Lomiti. So then back to

0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Hodah like, no, man, everyone was yelling at me, and

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like who was yelling at you? And he points

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 2>to Barbara the lawyer. Then he pours to Benson and

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I swear to God your honor, I am

0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 2>insent I did not hurt these boys. And the judge

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>is Hashi Horowitz and we're in chambers to discuss. But

0:25:46.680 --> 0:25:49.439
<v Speaker 2>our boy fired his homover lawyer and he wants to

0:25:49.480 --> 0:25:51.119
<v Speaker 2>be his own lawyer, and they're like that's not a

0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 2>good idea, but they're like, well you need to you

0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 2>committed to the deal, like you need to commit to

0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 2>a deal, and he goes no. So then Benson's like,

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I pushed you because you had it to kidnapping Wyatt

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>mor As, a seven year old child who would be

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>dead in a basement if you didn't tell us where

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.400
<v Speaker 2>he was. He's like, oh, so I actually saved him.

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, you admitted to kidnapping him, and you

0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>admitted to killing Hector. And she's stern, pissed and beautiful,

0:26:13.080 --> 0:26:15.399
<v Speaker 2>and he says, you put words in my mouth. And

0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 2>then Hashi wants him to get a better lawyer, and

0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 2>he's like, fine, great, I'll get a better lawyer. And

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:21.119
<v Speaker 2>if you want to take me down, you're going to

0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.399
<v Speaker 2>have to prove it. He laughs and says he didn't

0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>do it, and he's dragged away in cuffs. So now

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.679
<v Speaker 2>Hector's mom is like, fuck, can he even do this?

0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.320
<v Speaker 2>And the other mom is there too. Whyatt's mom so,

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:32.720
<v Speaker 2>and if we don't remember, Whyatt is the boy that

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 2>was kidnapped and that helped uncover Hector's kidnapping thirteen years

0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:41.399
<v Speaker 2>before that. So this is an ongoing thing. And so

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.880
<v Speaker 2>in the end of that Manhattan Vigil episode, we find

0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 2>out how to signed for all the concrete that they

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 2>found Hector's body underneath, and he admitted to taking Wyatt

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 2>because his dad owed him money and he didn't want

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 2>people like for anyone to say.

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 3>That he was a pedophile anywhere?

0:26:57.000 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 1>So who So remember like at the end of that episod,

0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>So I was like, what is the motive is he

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>attracted to these kids? Because they don't really they threaten

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.919
<v Speaker 1>the child molester thing with him about jail, but like

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.240
<v Speaker 1>they never really explicitly say that any of these kids

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:12.399
<v Speaker 1>were molested. And so that is the first time that

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>they're saying that the reason he took why it is

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 1>because of money. I forgot about. I didn't realize that's why. Yeah,

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.280
<v Speaker 1>he was trying to get back because they have screwed

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>him and gave him a shitty apartment and not like

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 1>nice after he's burned all these buildings down for them.

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:28.080
<v Speaker 3>And I'm on his side here the scars to prove it.

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:30.600
<v Speaker 2>He works hard and the rich keep getting richer and

0:27:30.640 --> 0:27:32.840
<v Speaker 2>they should the son should have just like given him some.

0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 3>Money, you know what I mean. Yeah, So we're all

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 3>in a meeting.

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.159
<v Speaker 2>It's Benson, Barbara and the moms, and they say we're

0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 2>going to push the convict him of why it's kidnapping

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>because the evidence is more fresh and he can identify him.

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 2>And the mom's like, hold on, you know, he'd have

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>to testify and Benson goes, yeah, and we'll support him,

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>and the other mom is like, hold up, you're not

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 2>going to charge him for killing my son. And Barbara

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:55.160
<v Speaker 2>is like the evidence is sixteen years old now and

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 2>it's circumstantial. But Wyatt's mom keeps looking down and we

0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>can assume what's about to happen. Not gonna let her

0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 2>son testify. This is definitely a bingo item of SCO.

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 2>And she gets up and says, no, he is still

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:07.919
<v Speaker 2>traumatized and we're not going to put him through this.

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Me and my ex don't agree on anything, but we

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:12.560
<v Speaker 2>agree on this. Benson stops her at the door like, bitch,

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:15.040
<v Speaker 2>come on, he's a kid killer. We need to get him,

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:17.320
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, I don't care, it's about Wyatt. And

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 2>Hector's mom starts to plead like please please, I'm sorry

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 2>what happened to your son, but my son, and she

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>can't even finish the sentence and Wyatt's mom's like I'm

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>sorry and runs away, and Hector's mom is crying, oh oh,

0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean the cry is better than what I just did.

0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:32.600
<v Speaker 3>And Barbo.

0:28:35.000 --> 0:28:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Barba's like, we'll bring charges on the crimes against sector

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 2>and then she's like but we can use what you know,

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 2>like he did to Whyat in the trial, and they're like,

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 2>that'll be up to the judge. So the dramatic music

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>plays and we start with the credits, and when we're back,

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>Caresi is catching up to Barba in the middle of

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>a marble courtroom hallway and he's like, so you know,

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm at law school at night, right, And Barba's like, yeah,

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I was alerted by the bar association. So they both

0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 2>giggle a little bit, and he wants to shadow the

0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 2>case and feels like he can learn a lot. Barbara

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.920
<v Speaker 2>is like, ah, no, thank you, and he's like, well

0:29:08.000 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 2>live already said it, can do it, and so Barbara

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>begrudgingly agrees. And the rule is you better not speak shadows,

0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:16.760
<v Speaker 2>keep their mouth shut. He promises, you don't even know

0:29:16.800 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm here. I do not trust him he will be talking.

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.080
<v Speaker 1>He's still like in full like early sunny Kreesi mode too,

0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>where like the accent is like so thick, like he drops.

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:27.720
<v Speaker 3>A little bit of that in the moment recent like when.

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>He becomes an Ada, you know, like yeah that He's.

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Still like I got this. Oh my god, your dad's

0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 4>a legend. You know, like he's so like he's just

0:29:36.880 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 4>so earnest. Yeah and so, and I love this defense attorney.

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 4>Her name is Robyn Weigert. Oh yeah, yeah, she yaps,

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 4>she does. I like the moment I saw on screen,

0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 4>I was obsessed.

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>And she's also in the episode recall season eight, episode three,

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 2>and that's the one with the dad from the Nanny.

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 3>That's that episode. And I was looking her.

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, why am I so drawn to her? I'm

0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 2>not sure? And so I looked at the IMDb. I'm like,

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 2>Jessica Jones, I did watch that her Big Things, you know,

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>you watch Sons of Anarchy in Deadwood.

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:09.280
<v Speaker 3>And then it hit me.

0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 2>She's the therapist for Nicole Kidman in Big Little Eyes. Yes,

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and that's why I felt so protected the moment I

0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 2>saw her. Yes, I didn't know why she had a

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 2>hold on me. I couldn't recognize her, and once I

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>saw Big Little Lies, I'm like, of course you helped

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Nicole Kidman get away. No.

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:25.760
<v Speaker 1>She plays a really badass character in Deadwood too, Like

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Deadwood's this very male show, like all the women are

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>basically like sex workers, but she's Calamity Jane, like she's

0:30:32.280 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>like a man like a woman in a man's world,

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, and like she's really good in Deadwood. I

0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>mean I've only watched the first season, but she's very good.

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 2>And she has a cute little brunette bob and I'm

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:42.680
<v Speaker 2>obsessed and.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 3>She's like, whoa, who's the eye? Candy wants to fuck

0:30:46.680 --> 0:30:50.760
<v Speaker 3>Dominic and Greasey's like, hello, Night's School at fordham Low.

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>This episode is really like I didn't think this was

0:30:57.880 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>funny when I was watching it, but now I'm laughing.

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's embarrassing.

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 2>And he then already starts talking too much for a shadow,

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 2>but he's like, I know all your dad's cases. He

0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:11.480
<v Speaker 2>did the Black Panther defense. She cuts him off to

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:14.400
<v Speaker 2>talk to Barba. She wants to plead this out, and

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't get why she even took this pro bono

0:31:16.800 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>case for this scumbag.

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 3>And he keeps talking.

0:31:19.680 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 2>About his daddy and Barba's like, yeah, okay, she's still

0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to impress him, even though he's been dead for

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>eleven years. Okay, Barba s that would impress your dad

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>getting off a child killer, Like I don't get, like

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 2>that seems like a very strange pro bono case to

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>take I know, but I think it's like the challenge

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.880
<v Speaker 2>where I think you convinced yourself or you you know,

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.520
<v Speaker 2>you could believe everyone deserves a defense, like that's part

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 2>of our legal system, and if you're able to get

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 2>someone like this off, that means you're good at your job.

0:31:47.400 --> 0:31:51.040
<v Speaker 2>So maybe that's but the dad seemed to work for

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 2>like the Black Panthers and Noble Causes, so that's yeah,

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:31:56.520 --> 0:31:56.959
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:01.240
<v Speaker 2>So we're in court and she heroits on the bench

0:32:01.960 --> 0:32:04.120
<v Speaker 2>and they go back and forth trying to get their way,

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 2>classic prosecution versus defense vibes, trying to get the other

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>cases into the trial, but the judge says he's not

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 2>muddying the waters of the case, so Wyatt's case will

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:17.240
<v Speaker 2>not be included. Now she's trying to get the confession

0:32:17.280 --> 0:32:19.560
<v Speaker 2>video out and calls it course. Barbara's like, well, it's

0:32:19.600 --> 0:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>on video, so we should just let the jury decide

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>for themselves, and the judge does agree. And the judge

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>also loves this lawyer's dad. She's like, oh god, your

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:30.239
<v Speaker 2>dead dad, love him and it's like he has been

0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:31.240
<v Speaker 2>dead for eleven years.

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.520
<v Speaker 3>This is crazy. I wonder if he's like an original

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>law and order, like lawyer from like the OG.

0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like how don't Dad is really is related?

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 3>You know? Yeah, we got to figure this out.

0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 2>But so the confession does stay in, So now this

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>is wild. We finally see a decoration. We finally see

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 2>a decoration on a desk. It's weird. It's for things

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 2>giving that decoration holiday, but on the desk. The next

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>scene starts with a paper and cardboard like like tabletop turkey.

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a turkey decoration at the SVU precinct. I'm on

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>cloud nine the fact, you know, I'm always dreaming of

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>a spider web, a little wreath somewhere, an Easter egg,

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.479
<v Speaker 2>but we got a turkey. And so he walks in

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and is like, oh my god, Court was the best,

0:33:25.520 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, that's.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Not what I heard.

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 2>And he's just raving about the defense attorney and he's

0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 2>just so taken with I wonder if they did fuck,

0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 2>like I mean, and we have a crush on Rollins

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 2>right now, but I hope they like ended up fucking

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:40.959
<v Speaker 2>at least once. And Finn is like, why are you

0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 2>so happy for this like defense attorney, and he's like, okay, well,

0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Barbara wants to try to find any evidence that hold

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a new Hector.

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 3>I know, I said it.

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>So basically the assignment is they need to find evidence

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:57.160
<v Speaker 2>that Hode a new Hector when he was alive. Finn says,

0:33:57.240 --> 0:34:00.000
<v Speaker 2>we gave him everything we had. But Benson brings up

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 2>the auxiliary cop and maybe we should go talk to him,

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>maybe he has anything else, and Finn is like, didn't

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 2>we think he did it? And Benson goes, well, yeah,

0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.000
<v Speaker 2>but we didn't find that out, and Finn goes.

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, he's still nuts.

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.760
<v Speaker 2>He leaves messages for Rollins at three am, and Benson's like, listen,

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.360
<v Speaker 2>he knew Hector, he knew the neighborhood and he noticed

0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the arson pattern, Go fucking talk to him. So Finn

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:24.040
<v Speaker 2>is like, he'll only talk to Rollins and Benson's like, okay,

0:34:24.080 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 2>then have her call him and say that you know,

0:34:26.920 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you guys are going to.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Go talk to him, So get to work.

0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>So we're back in front of the mural of Hector

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:34.560
<v Speaker 2>and the auxiliary cop. Ray Pashanski from Girls is there.

0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 2>He's in a police outfit and he's like, wow, I

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.880
<v Speaker 2>loved hearing from Rollins, and Chrisy and Finn are like Okay,

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 2>well it's us and Rollins. Just remember, you know they're

0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 2>they're buttering him up there, like Rollin's remembered how much

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.520
<v Speaker 2>you cared about the case, and you know, we just

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 2>wanted to get more info from you since you helped

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 2>us find the pattern and you figured all this stuff out,

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:55.799
<v Speaker 2>but we can't bring it to court. So maybe you

0:34:55.880 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 2>have other evidence that ties Hector to Hoda. He goes, no,

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:00.320
<v Speaker 2>but I'll say anything. You know the this is my

0:35:00.400 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 2>last chance to get into the academy, so whatever you need.

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>And Finn and Creasy look pissed at even the implication

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that he would need to.

0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Like lie in court or anything. So we cut to

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:10.520
<v Speaker 3>spring time.

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh I thought it was spring, but obviously I saw

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>the Turkey thing, so it is fall, but I feel

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 2>like New York would be colder.

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.839
<v Speaker 3>But whatever. So they're in like cool.

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Mid temperature outfits walking near court, and holy shit, Beady

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Wong appears.

0:35:25.960 --> 0:35:27.320
<v Speaker 3>He's wildly on the steps.

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 2>He hated Oklahoma, so he left the Bureau and now

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:34.080
<v Speaker 2>he's consulting Beadi Wong runs off to work and Barbara goes, well,

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 2>you'll see him later. Hassler hired him as her expert

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:42.240
<v Speaker 2>forensic psychiatrists. He's a hired gun now and Benson feels betrayed.

0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Creasy's sitting at the precinct watching the confession over and

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>over and Barba asks if there's anything new, and he goes, nah,

0:35:49.320 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>but I have a care package for Rollin, so I'm

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>going to deliver it to her since she's on bed rest.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 2>And Barbara is like, hold on, we need to go

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.759
<v Speaker 2>visit Hector's mom and prep her for her time on

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>the s stand tomorrow and remind her that Benson will

0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 2>not be in the courtroom since she's going to have

0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:07.480
<v Speaker 2>to testify later. So Cariese runs off, and now we're

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:09.879
<v Speaker 2>in court with the mom on the stand. She said, oh,

0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:13.440
<v Speaker 2>this is sad. She always walked him to school two blocks,

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>but then one day he goes, I'm old enough, I'm

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a big boy. I want to walk alone. And she

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.839
<v Speaker 2>watched him, she waved to him, and she never saw

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 2>him again. And this has happened before an SVU and

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 2>in some of our true crimes, and it really is

0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>so fucking sad.

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 3>It's happening again today. Yeah, the first time. It's like,

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.440
<v Speaker 3>it's it's too sad.

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because you know that the parents are

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 2>going to blame themselves forever.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 3>And it's a bummer.

0:36:39.280 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 2>So that walk meant that he did walk past Hodah's

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 2>building when he managed those So, but now it's time

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:48.120
<v Speaker 2>for the defense and she is incredible. She's sympathetic to

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 2>the mom. She goes, I'm so sorry this happened to you.

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry you have to relive this. But did

0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 2>you ever see your son with mister Hodah? And she

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 2>has to respond, no, have you ever seen Hodah before

0:36:58.960 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 2>this arrest?

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:00.400
<v Speaker 3>She said no?

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 2>Over the years, did the cops say they wanted to

0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.560
<v Speaker 2>solve the crime and she goes, yes, Benson was very

0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 2>dedicated and wanted justice and it was important to her

0:37:08.120 --> 0:37:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to help me, and Lisa goes, yeah, and the only

0:37:11.000 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>way to help you is to find somebody to blame

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>for your son's murder. And Barbara and Benson are you

0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 2>talking in an empty court room? And Benson's like, are

0:37:18.880 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you fucking kidding me? She's making me seem too conscientious.

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>He's like, yep, And she implied, you're so desperate to

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.640
<v Speaker 2>get closure, you manufactured a suspect. And she's like, you

0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:29.759
<v Speaker 2>let her get away with this he's like, well, I

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:30.879
<v Speaker 2>couldn't shoot her.

0:37:31.440 --> 0:37:33.919
<v Speaker 3>Barbara's like, she is just doing her job and she's

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 3>really good at it. And she's like, you left me

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 3>out to dry. And he's like, Okay, chill the fuck out.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.919
<v Speaker 3>You're up after lunch, let's prep. She's pissed. She goes,

0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:41.319
<v Speaker 3>no thanks.

0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:43.399
<v Speaker 2>I've testified a few hundred times, so I think I'll

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 2>be fine. She is living, and he says, I need

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 2>you to sit your ass down and work with me.

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.879
<v Speaker 2>She finally agrees and they start to work. So now

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 2>we're in court and we're watching the confession. He admits

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to snapping the neck and also putting the boy under

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 2>the concrete. She's like, he knew his rights. He said

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.040
<v Speaker 2>it found him because he was connected to the fresh

0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 2>concrete poor and to the timing of the disappearance, and

0:38:04.920 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 2>when we figured it all out, then we realized he

0:38:07.440 --> 0:38:10.200
<v Speaker 2>was a pedophile too. And he's tweaking on the defense

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.799
<v Speaker 2>bench like erratic. Blink's moving around. He's very shifty. And

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 2>now it's Lisa's turn and she's like, after he disappeared,

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:20.040
<v Speaker 2>what did the did the police conclude? Benson explains that

0:38:20.080 --> 0:38:22.080
<v Speaker 2>they thought the dad took him in a custody battle,

0:38:22.080 --> 0:38:25.239
<v Speaker 2>but she always disagreed with the NYPD. And Lisa's like,

0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:27.359
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, and it seems like you were right and

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Benson perfect answer. She goes unfortunately yes. She goes, so

0:38:32.120 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>you were motivated to prove that you were right, and

0:38:34.320 --> 0:38:36.719
<v Speaker 2>she sighs and goes, well, not motivated enough.

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:38.080
<v Speaker 3>It took me almost a decade.

0:38:38.640 --> 0:38:42.319
<v Speaker 2>And she goes and finally you had hodap and she goes, yes,

0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and he confessed on the video, and she goes, I'm

0:38:44.640 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 2>interested in what didn't make it to the video. You

0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 2>interrogated him for over six hours before turning on the camera,

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.120
<v Speaker 2>So what happened there? And she goes nothing, that's against

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>police procedure. She questions her about lying and stuff in

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 2>those six hours, and she's like, excuse me. The Supreme

0:38:59.360 --> 0:39:02.440
<v Speaker 2>Court decided that cops are allowed to make misrepresentations and

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 2>she goes, you mean lie. She goes yes, And so

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 2>she goes, so after lying about non existent witnesses, didn't

0:39:09.239 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 2>you tell him that nobody likes to Chomo in state prison?

0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:15.240
<v Speaker 2>And she's like, yeah, there was a sense of urgency.

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>He had another child. And the judge is like, baby,

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>you are flirting with causing a mistrial. And I love

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:24.560
<v Speaker 2>that he used the word flirting. I know he is.

0:39:24.600 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I love Horowitz. He's great, But like, this is the

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>problem with the whole episode. Why would they toss out Wyatt?

0:39:30.440 --> 0:39:32.279
<v Speaker 1>Like he literally had a boy in a basement and

0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>that's like what led them to like the rest of this,

0:39:34.480 --> 0:39:38.359
<v Speaker 1>So like why would this be disconnected? But I mean,

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure our lawyer girls will tell us, but like,

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>it just doesn't make sense to me that he's like

0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 1>can't talk about the other kiddie kidnapped because the kid

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>won't testify. But it's like we found him because of

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:47.840
<v Speaker 1>his information.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:53.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, yeah, he led us to the correct basement.

0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 3>Is not evidence enough? Right? Can't just be like he

0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:58.880
<v Speaker 3>could be in this basement, I don't know.

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:01.319
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes there's kids down there, Like you know, that's not like, wow,

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 1>it worked out. So it's very strange to me, but

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:05.319
<v Speaker 1>you know whatever. They have to make a television show work,

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:06.320
<v Speaker 1>so I understand.

0:40:07.120 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a really good point.

0:40:09.640 --> 0:40:12.399
<v Speaker 2>So Lisa's like, so, what's a chomo and Benson has

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 2>to say child molester. And the question then is proposed,

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>are they assaulted in prison?

0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Yes?

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so you lied about evidence, and you threaten to

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.560
<v Speaker 2>label him a chomo, and you promised that you would

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:24.959
<v Speaker 2>advertise the book that belief to ensure that he would

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:27.839
<v Speaker 2>be assaulted in prison. And then and only then did

0:40:27.840 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>he confess. Benson says he confessed because he was guilty.

0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Quick cut to Hoda on the stand. He's fully crying,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:40.200
<v Speaker 2>great performance, spitting red, pointing finger, very passionate. I confess

0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.080
<v Speaker 2>because she said she was gonna get me killed. Benson

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:47.160
<v Speaker 2>is watching him, rolling her eyes and he's crying. He's sniffling.

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Benson is shaking her head. He believed they were framing

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 2>him and they would do whatever they wanted to him.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Finn is nodding his head to like, fuck this motherfucker.

0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>He then says he never saw that little boy, notott

0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>once in his life, and no clue why he was

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>found in the building, but a lot of unsavory characters

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 2>did live in the building. Careasy's writing something down and

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.080
<v Speaker 2>shows Barbara and basically what Crisy wrote was little Boys

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>question mark. Barba nods, I'm actually lost because I rewounded

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>a few times, and Hoda on the stand goes.

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:23.000
<v Speaker 3>That little boy so the Little Boys is like.

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how It gave him the clue because

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.200
<v Speaker 2>maybe if it was just that one, it'd be like

0:41:28.280 --> 0:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>the little boy, I don't get this.

0:41:31.960 --> 0:41:35.000
<v Speaker 3>I thought maybe you would. No, I don't think I do.

0:41:35.160 --> 0:41:38.319
<v Speaker 2>But because I was telling someone about our connections thing,

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and I was saying, how like sometimes the first connection

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 2>you get. This is the New York Times game. If

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>you guys play word ole Connections is amazing. It's sixteen

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:50.879
<v Speaker 2>words and you group them in four groups of four

0:41:50.920 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 2>and you have to figure out the groupings and they

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.320
<v Speaker 2>try to trick you, but you always get the grammar

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.520
<v Speaker 2>ones or like the proposition or like past ten, like

0:41:58.560 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 2>you always get the word ones. And those are always

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:02.839
<v Speaker 2>the ones that are last for me, where I don't

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:04.920
<v Speaker 2>even see how they connect and I just press them

0:42:04.960 --> 0:42:08.799
<v Speaker 2>and then I find out. So I thought maybe you

0:42:08.800 --> 0:42:12.040
<v Speaker 2>would know this because it's like the tenses and the words.

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:15.439
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, maybe she'll put this together. No, I don't

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.400
<v Speaker 3>think I'm there because of it.

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, so yesterday's one of the answers was majong tiles.

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 2>That was definitely my fourth and final.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.399
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was like, I would have never

0:42:26.480 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 3>gotten these would my whole life. That's my last.

0:42:29.400 --> 0:42:32.560
<v Speaker 2>So if any of you figure out how careesy maybe

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 2>fordam Law is really working on him.

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:35.160
<v Speaker 3>But if any of you.

0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Understand why him saying that little boy equate it to

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>little boys question mark, I guess it implies.

0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:47.000
<v Speaker 3>There's more than one little boy. I just I didn't

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 3>really catch that.

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, because then later Olivia says, we think he

0:42:50.239 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>might be responsible for the death of two other kids

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:54.520
<v Speaker 1>because like he hangs out at playgrounds, and like, yeah,

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>I think that's probably it.

0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 3>Like the plural yeah, but he said that little boy.

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh I don't know that because I kept rewinding.

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 2>But I guess if it was just one boy, you

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>would maybe just say the little boy.

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Is that it? I know that's too, that's not bad,

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:18.200
<v Speaker 3>but it's not that feels like a walk. I don't know.

0:43:19.000 --> 0:43:19.440
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:43:20.360 --> 0:43:23.200
<v Speaker 2>This is weird because Barbara at the end, like we'll

0:43:23.200 --> 0:43:25.839
<v Speaker 2>get to it, was like so impressed that crazy put

0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:30.320
<v Speaker 2>this together. But anyway, so Barbara has this little clue

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 2>now and then this is my favorite. It's when he

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:34.560
<v Speaker 2>starts talking while he's still sitting so you know, he's

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 2>feeling confident. So he's sitting there going did you order

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 2>the concrete or did the drug? Addicts that lived in

0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.479
<v Speaker 2>the building, and he goes, I did, and he goes,

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>so because of a fire from two hundred yards away

0:43:45.360 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 2>caused water to flow uphill.

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:49.759
<v Speaker 3>He's like, I don't remember we needed it. I ordered it.

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:51.920
<v Speaker 2>He goes, oh, you don't remember that, but then you

0:43:52.000 --> 0:43:55.520
<v Speaker 2>remember this, and he plays the confession and we see

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.239
<v Speaker 2>Hodah on the confession say he had a backpack. He

0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.280
<v Speaker 2>started talking to me, he was bugging me. So Barba

0:44:01.360 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 2>questions him, so you remembered the backpack. Did you put

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>it in the ground when you buried him? He goes no,

0:44:06.239 --> 0:44:09.680
<v Speaker 2>he says nothing to remember you were attracted to him. No,

0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>he denies being attracted to children. And Barba's like, why

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.560
<v Speaker 2>were you found at a child's playground years after Hector's

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 2>murder And he says it's all lies. So then you know,

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:22.879
<v Speaker 2>he brings out Exhibit six A and n B and

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>their police reports. So basically he was seen at parks,

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:29.040
<v Speaker 2>and Hodus like, I just like parks, so do I,

0:44:29.120 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>but I don't stare at little boys. And he's like,

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 2>you're just like her. You're gonna put me, you know,

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.480
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna do all these lies. You're gonna spread all

0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.719
<v Speaker 2>these lies. He goes, well, what lie you hang out

0:44:38.719 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>at playgrounds? A little boy was found dead in the

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.319
<v Speaker 2>bottom of your building. You said you killed him. He said,

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I told you Why I said that, And it's like,

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 2>because you were afraid of being hurt in prison or

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>scared hearing the truth about you. He says, I'm not

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 2>scared of anything. I never touched him down there. So

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.919
<v Speaker 2>then Barba's like, then, where did you touch him? There's

0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:00.520
<v Speaker 2>a stutter, there's tense music. He just stares off. So

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:02.840
<v Speaker 2>now we're in the hallway and Creasy's jazzed. He's like,

0:45:02.960 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 2>you crushed it. You fucking cure the boy. And Barbara's like,

0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.480
<v Speaker 2>thanks for that. Little boys, tell who? And then Lisa

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>sees them and goes, are you gloating? And Barbara smirks

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 2>a little and goes guilty. Then she says nothing makes

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.600
<v Speaker 2>me happier than a member of the patriarchy, right before

0:45:22.640 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 2>he falls. Oh God, I love her. I don't know

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 2>why she hasn't come back more. Maybe they can't afford her,

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Like what's going on?

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 3>I want more?

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel like, I mean she just literally

0:45:33.160 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>does book like all the time, this woman, So maybe

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:37.120
<v Speaker 1>they just can't get her.

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.719
<v Speaker 2>So then Barba's retort is I seem to be on

0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:42.600
<v Speaker 2>my feet. He says, your client made quite an impression

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 2>on the jury, and she goes, so did you thank you?

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 3>Walks off. The boys are like huh, what could that mean?

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 2>So now we have Huang on the stand and he's

0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 2>playing for the defense, and he says that Hodo was

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 2>abused physically by an alcoholic father. He never resolved that

0:45:57.560 --> 0:46:00.319
<v Speaker 2>stuff and that's why he lied and admitted to thing

0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>because his da like he had to do anything his

0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 2>dad said to avoid getting beatings. So he buckles to

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>authority to avoid violence. And so duh. The Benson threat

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.279
<v Speaker 2>to be hurt in jail, especially to someone who needs

0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.200
<v Speaker 2>to appear hyper masculine, would be a huge issue. So again,

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 2>to avoid being beaten, he would admit to touching a

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 2>child he never met. Barba objects and it is overruled,

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 2>so Huang has to answer. He goes, yes, mister Hodam

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.320
<v Speaker 2>might have said anything. Benson is so fuck im peeved.

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 2>So now Huang walks into the elevator and right before

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.840
<v Speaker 2>it closes, we get a hand in there and she

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>pushes the door open and says Huang, she is pissed.

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>What the hell are you doing up there for that man?

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>We used to put people like that away. You know

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 2>what he did to Hector and Wyatt? And he says

0:46:45.640 --> 0:46:48.719
<v Speaker 2>to Wyatt, yes, but to Hector, I don't know. She's like,

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.080
<v Speaker 2>you think I coursed him, that's what you think? How

0:46:51.120 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 2>long have we known each other? And he's like, even

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 2>if it wasn't your intent, he could have given in

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>because of it, and she's like, he believed it because

0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:02.760
<v Speaker 2>he did it. And the elevator doors open. He says,

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 2>I don't know that, and neither do you. People file

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:08.000
<v Speaker 2>in and to me, I'm like, how.

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Big is this courthouse?

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 2>How tall is this I've seen the buildings like this

0:47:11.719 --> 0:47:13.400
<v Speaker 2>elevator ride is very.

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.279
<v Speaker 3>Long, but also it's a public building. I'm sure the

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:16.480
<v Speaker 3>elevator fucking sucks.

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Also, the last hotel we were in, that elevator was

0:47:19.480 --> 0:47:25.160
<v Speaker 2>so fucking slow, that Pittsburgh elevator, really and I was like,

0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:30.000
<v Speaker 2>fair floors, it was so slow. So then they both

0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.560
<v Speaker 2>are mad and they stare straight forward. So now we're

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>watching the news with the girls auxiliary cop on the

0:47:36.000 --> 0:47:38.399
<v Speaker 2>news and while he's on the stand watching it as well,

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>and Lisa is gonna eat him for dinner. So her

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 2>glasses are on and she's like, so you found his

0:47:44.400 --> 0:47:47.600
<v Speaker 2>lunch box? Yes, I was, and she cuts them off.

0:47:47.719 --> 0:47:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Hundreds of people were looking and you found it. He's like,

0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:52.560
<v Speaker 2>I have good eyes. And she's like, or did you

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 2>find it because you knew exactly where to look, and

0:47:54.800 --> 0:47:56.440
<v Speaker 2>she's like, you often talked to Hector.

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:56.759
<v Speaker 3>No.

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>He says he was friendly with all the kids, and

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:03.240
<v Speaker 2>she pushed, is how friendly? And he resents these accusations

0:48:03.280 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, yeah, I'm sure you do. Did you

0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:08.160
<v Speaker 2>resent it when much interrogated you about the case And

0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:10.319
<v Speaker 2>he's like, no, I was just helping the case and

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 2>she's like, you were a suspect. He does not believe that,

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:16.759
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, munch is a conspiracy theory nut. His

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:20.320
<v Speaker 2>own captain apologized to me. The whole squad apologized to me,

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 2>and she goes, you mean the squad who found pictures

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 2>of Hector all over your attic and defense Exhibit thirteen

0:48:26.120 --> 0:48:29.480
<v Speaker 2>c is photos of Lomiton's addict. Tense music plays and

0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the people of the jury like, lean in. They're very

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>into these photos. So this man looks like a man obsessed.

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:38.200
<v Speaker 2>He says, I was doing research. She's like, for thirteen years,

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 2>you visited the mom you went to the memorials. How

0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.840
<v Speaker 2>long have you been taking antipsychotic drugs? And that's an

0:48:43.880 --> 0:48:46.919
<v Speaker 2>objection for Barbara, and it is sustained. Finally he gets

0:48:46.960 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 2>a little win, and then he should have stayed quiet,

0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:54.000
<v Speaker 2>but instead he says, I just care about children, and

0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:56.880
<v Speaker 2>even when no one else does, question marks, so you

0:48:56.880 --> 0:49:00.279
<v Speaker 2>have a special relationship with children. He goes not like that,

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and Benson Shakespeare's head like, oh my god. And Lisa

0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.120
<v Speaker 2>leans in and asked, did you murder Hector Rodriguez. He yells,

0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.600
<v Speaker 2>there is the guy who did it and points to Hoda.

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 2>The judge says, answer the question. He says, I will

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 2>not dignify that question with the response. I did not

0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:20.440
<v Speaker 2>know that you can do that while you're in the box, like.

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 3>Not answer a question.

0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah you can't, that's I mean, the judge can can

0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>find you in contempt. But Lisa says, well, I'm not

0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>hearing a no, and he doesn't say no, So to me,

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.400
<v Speaker 1>it's like maybe he cares enough no because he was

0:49:33.440 --> 0:49:36.879
<v Speaker 1>willing to lie on the stand. So yeah, I don't

0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 1>know why he didn't just say no, so she walks

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to go sit down.

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:40.080
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:42.759
<v Speaker 2>But now it's Barbara closing time. It's a really like

0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of it's not even that sexy or cool. He

0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:49.000
<v Speaker 2>all he says is only one logical conclusion. He did it,

0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and he said he did it, and he's guilty, thank you.

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:54.399
<v Speaker 2>So that concludes closing arguments. We don't get to see

0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>Lisa tap dance all over the jury and the jury

0:49:57.000 --> 0:49:59.200
<v Speaker 2>needs to go deliberate, and the judge also reminds the

0:49:59.280 --> 0:50:02.400
<v Speaker 2>jury he is innocent until proven guilty, and they have

0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:05.240
<v Speaker 2>to decide if the people have proven him guilty beyond

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 2>a reasonable doubt, and that with that in mind, go

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>at it and God's speed. Hector's mom does seem worried.

0:50:12.400 --> 0:50:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Jury day two, they're still chatting and the press is

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:18.440
<v Speaker 2>asking lista questions on the courtroom steps, like why are.

0:50:18.280 --> 0:50:20.759
<v Speaker 3>They grappling so long? Why is it taking so long?

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 2>And it's like two days for a murder trial is fine,

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Like that does not seem excessive. It seems fine to

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:29.839
<v Speaker 2>be able to discuss for two days if someone's gonna

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>go to jail for fucking murder. She's like, the people's

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>case is weak, and fuck them. Barbara and Creasy are

0:50:35.960 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 2>walking like fuck her. She keeps making her case and

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.720
<v Speaker 2>then Barba's like, well, you know, the jurors aren't supposed

0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 2>to be watching the news or Creesy said that I

0:50:44.520 --> 0:50:47.320
<v Speaker 2>truly don't remember. Hector's mom is on the street crying

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:50.880
<v Speaker 2>and Lisa's talking, and so the mom just runs up

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>right to the media and goes, why don't you help

0:50:53.000 --> 0:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>people who deserve it? And she's crying. Cariesy has to

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:58.760
<v Speaker 2>take her away. The reporter tries to chase the crying woman,

0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 2>but will settle for Barbara, who says he is confident

0:51:01.640 --> 0:51:04.680
<v Speaker 2>in his case and the common sense of the jurors. Okay,

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.440
<v Speaker 2>so they're all at the office. It's been five days

0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and nothing. Cariese isn't studying, but he has been doing

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:13.879
<v Speaker 2>some digging on the jurors social media and the four

0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>woman Sharon Day has been posting for months about how

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 2>she's excited for a big family reunion for Thanksgiving. But

0:51:20.360 --> 0:51:22.799
<v Speaker 2>they're all stuck and probably dying to get out of there.

0:51:23.160 --> 0:51:26.600
<v Speaker 2>So Amanda calls for Finn to come to the hospital,

0:51:26.600 --> 0:51:27.880
<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure Criesy's.

0:51:27.480 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Like, well, why didn't she call me? What the fuck?

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 2>But now the jury is ready, so right as Finn

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 2>goes to visit Rollin's in the hospital and I think

0:51:35.280 --> 0:51:38.000
<v Speaker 2>this is the time when Kelly Gettish is actually pregnant

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:39.919
<v Speaker 2>and probably needed some time off.

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.879
<v Speaker 3>So Cariese gets a call.

0:51:43.000 --> 0:51:45.960
<v Speaker 2>The jury's back and they're going to court on Sunday,

0:51:46.360 --> 0:51:49.799
<v Speaker 2>November twenty second, Sunday. So they're all meeting up because

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:52.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the jurors has a question and the fore

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.520
<v Speaker 2>woman explains that, and a dude gets up and is like, no, actually,

0:51:56.520 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a few of us have questions, and it's like, clearly

0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 2>it's just you that's causing problems, but he wants to

0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 2>be reminded of the rules to decide if a confession

0:52:04.239 --> 0:52:06.759
<v Speaker 2>is voluntary or not. The judge says it is not

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 2>voluntary if it is obtained by use or threat of

0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>physical violence or undue pressure, and what the cops said

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>and their treatment and time of questioning, so that doesn't

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:20.040
<v Speaker 2>sound very good. The crew is worried in the hallways.

0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Benson's like, fuck, I keep going over it in my head,

0:52:22.560 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and Barbe gooes, listen, another child was kidnapped and you

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:26.839
<v Speaker 2>needed to do what you needed to do to save him.

0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:30.240
<v Speaker 2>Benson has a call. It's Finn. Something's up with Amanda.

0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Her heart rate has slowed up. Excuse me, shouldn't it

0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 2>be down? How does something slow up?

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Who said it was that careesy?

0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:42.280
<v Speaker 3>No it was Finn. Oh yeah, that is weird.

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Finn goes her heart rate slowed up, So did it

0:52:47.520 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 2>slow down or go up?

0:52:50.320 --> 0:52:52.919
<v Speaker 3>Like? You can't slow up? There's no fucking way.

0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 2>So for me, I feel like that's an iced tea

0:52:56.760 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 2>moment that they just left in because he refused to

0:52:59.200 --> 0:52:59.879
<v Speaker 2>do another take.

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:01.319
<v Speaker 3>But that's just.

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>Also, lately the airports have been in douev On crustables,

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:10.080
<v Speaker 2>which is one of my favorite airport snacks. I like

0:53:10.080 --> 0:53:12.080
<v Speaker 2>like iced tea, but I always get the grape and

0:53:12.120 --> 0:53:16.239
<v Speaker 2>I finally got the strawberry jelly and no, never inferior.

0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it really is. Thank you for agreeing. Wait, do

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 2>you like peanut butter and jelly or not?

0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 3>Really? I love it.

0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 1>I make it every I also make it every single

0:53:23.400 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 1>day for my children, so you know it's lost a

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:25.919
<v Speaker 1>little bit of its luster.

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.920
<v Speaker 3>But I do love Phoebe and Jay. Wait, they can

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:30.400
<v Speaker 3>bring peanut butter to school.

0:53:30.440 --> 0:53:34.360
<v Speaker 1>Oscar can, Rosie can? So what I do is I

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.399
<v Speaker 1>put jelly on one piece of bread. I dig another

0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:37.920
<v Speaker 1>piece of bread, and I put peanut butter on half

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and almond butter on the other half.

0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Slap it together, cut it in half. How do you remember?

0:53:41.719 --> 0:53:42.560
<v Speaker 2>You never fuck it up?

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:46.200
<v Speaker 1>I like taste because I don't want to send Rosy

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:49.319
<v Speaker 1>by accident and like have her like I always check.

0:53:49.440 --> 0:53:51.800
<v Speaker 3>All right. So we're at the hospital. Not good. Amanda's

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:53.480
<v Speaker 3>on a monitor. We're watching her.

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Amanda's there full, you know, belly bum, bad, breathing.

0:53:57.400 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Finn is gonna stay with her.

0:53:59.160 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>So now is running at Barbara outside the court and

0:54:02.000 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 2>he's like, listen, I've been trying to reach you all day.

0:54:04.400 --> 0:54:06.680
<v Speaker 2>I left messages and Barbara goes, I have nothing to

0:54:06.719 --> 0:54:07.520
<v Speaker 2>talk to you about.

0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:10.000
<v Speaker 3>The case went to jury. He's like, exactly one of

0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:12.560
<v Speaker 3>the jurors, jur number four, Thomas Johnson. He lied.

0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:14.799
<v Speaker 2>Barbara goes, how do you know that? He's like, I

0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>gave the court clerk fifty dollars. LL, you're never going

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.120
<v Speaker 2>to be brought up the ranks, bro. So this guy,

0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:24.759
<v Speaker 2>jural number four, was arrested in Maryland for assault last year.

0:54:24.960 --> 0:54:27.600
<v Speaker 2>The chargers were dropped, but he lost his job. He

0:54:27.640 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 2>went to his house in his uniform and talked to

0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 2>his sister and we figured out that he doesn't like cops.

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 2>And Barbara is like, you committed bribery, impersonated a real

0:54:37.160 --> 0:54:41.640
<v Speaker 2>officer and then tampered with the juror. And he's like, yeah,

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>now he's in there poisoning the other jury. And Barba's like,

0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 2>then it would be then it would lead to a mistrial.

0:54:48.760 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>So we don't really have any fucking options. And he's like,

0:54:51.440 --> 0:54:54.400
<v Speaker 2>but you'll tell the NYPD what I've done, and he goes, oh,

0:54:54.560 --> 0:54:56.640
<v Speaker 2>you can count on it. I mean, this guy is

0:54:56.840 --> 0:54:57.799
<v Speaker 2>so bonkers.

0:54:58.160 --> 0:54:58.520
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the jury back and they want another meeting,

0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:04.719
<v Speaker 2>and the judge is like, what else do you want

0:55:04.760 --> 0:55:05.440
<v Speaker 2>to hear back?

0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:09.200
<v Speaker 3>And she goes again, not me, another person here.

0:55:09.760 --> 0:55:12.200
<v Speaker 1>I love how she's just like it isn't.

0:55:12.080 --> 0:55:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Me, Like she's the funny one of us wants to

0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>hear Lieutenant Benson's testimony, and the defendants and the psychiatrists

0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>and the judges like all of it. And the four

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.520
<v Speaker 2>women is like, I don't know what good it will do.

0:55:25.840 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 2>And the man stands up and says, I am not

0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:30.680
<v Speaker 2>the only one who would benefit from this. Ha She says, listen,

0:55:30.880 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 2>every juror has the right. The court reporter will begin,

0:55:34.360 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and so then she like.

0:55:35.560 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 3>You see the court reporter grab thick ass stacks of papers,

0:55:39.160 --> 0:55:42.200
<v Speaker 3>and I just would be so fucking annoyed.

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:44.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad people are taking their civic duty this seriously,

0:55:44.840 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 2>but like I.

0:55:46.760 --> 0:55:47.480
<v Speaker 3>Would be best.

0:55:47.800 --> 0:55:50.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I wonder if the court reporter is like

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 2>my final shot, yay, I get to read, you know.

0:55:53.040 --> 0:55:54.520
<v Speaker 3>Or if she's like also annoyed.

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:58.719
<v Speaker 2>So right, then Lisa whispers to Barba, we need to talk.

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.799
<v Speaker 2>So it's me time, and she goes, listen, we both

0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:03.480
<v Speaker 2>had our phone. It's time to end this. He goes,

0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:06.399
<v Speaker 2>it's almost Thanksgiving. They'll let out soon. She goes, yeah,

0:56:06.400 --> 0:56:08.319
<v Speaker 2>but we don't know how it will go, and then

0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 2>ask careesy if like then she goes, does Carisy need

0:56:11.320 --> 0:56:13.080
<v Speaker 2>to be here? And it's like you wanted to fuck

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>him two hours ago, and now like you don't, Like

0:56:15.520 --> 0:56:18.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't. It's just weird because up top she's like,

0:56:18.080 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 2>I Candy, and now she's like, get him the fuck

0:56:19.840 --> 0:56:23.000
<v Speaker 2>out of this room, which means his personality has been

0:56:23.040 --> 0:56:25.240
<v Speaker 2>so grading she does not want to fuck him anymore.

0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 2>So Barbara goes listen, he needs to be here to chaperone, okay,

0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and so she goes, fine, let's just do a plea deal.

0:56:32.160 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 2>Barbara goes, well, he agreed to one before and then

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 2>took it back. She goes, I know, but give us

0:56:36.719 --> 0:56:40.880
<v Speaker 2>a good plea criminally negligent Homicidechrisy goes, are you kidding me?

0:56:41.360 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Barbara shushes him. So, now we figure out how much

0:56:44.719 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 2>time and it's eight years. So now Barbara is with

0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:53.280
<v Speaker 2>miss Rodriguez and Benson and basically he's gonna get eight years,

0:56:53.360 --> 0:56:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and they want to say no to this, and Barbara goes,

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:57.880
<v Speaker 2>come on, let's just say yes. So they all argue

0:56:57.880 --> 0:56:59.680
<v Speaker 2>and Benson's like, why would you bring us here? If

0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:01.440
<v Speaker 2>you will he decided it, and he's like, I just

0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:03.719
<v Speaker 2>want to make you understand. So of course, now he's

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:05.920
<v Speaker 2>going to speak Spanish to convince her and really connect.

0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:08.319
<v Speaker 2>She's really sad, but she's okay with it. She is

0:57:08.360 --> 0:57:10.520
<v Speaker 2>okay with it. I mean, eight years is not nothing.

0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:13.280
<v Speaker 2>It's obviously not enough, but like some sort of closure.

0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 2>So now the lawyers, this scene is so good. So

0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:19.040
<v Speaker 2>now the lawyers go talk to the judge and they're like, okay.

0:57:19.800 --> 0:57:21.560
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, okay, tell me about this deal. But

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.680
<v Speaker 2>right at the moment before they tell the judge the deal,

0:57:24.880 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 2>it's the jury again and they're deadlocked. So then Barbara goes, well,

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.160
<v Speaker 2>that's fine, we have a deal, and she goes, Dewey

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:33.360
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't should have said yes.

0:57:33.200 --> 0:57:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Earlier deals off. Fuck, she's good.

0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 2>So Barbara's panics wearing for and Hoda's wearing white and

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>looks fucked up.

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:44.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, it just sucks that the note came in.

0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>At that time, like, oh my god. So Hoda's wearing

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 2>white and looks fucked up. He just looks out of it.

0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.080
<v Speaker 2>And then the judge is talking like, listen, if this

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:55.240
<v Speaker 2>is about the upcoming holiday, you have a duty. You

0:57:55.240 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 2>cannot just like put together something. She goes, it's not that.

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.360
<v Speaker 2>People are getting angry and it's going very tense. They

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 2>say they really tried and there isn't any point. So

0:58:04.320 --> 0:58:06.760
<v Speaker 2>he says, very well, if that's where you are, I

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:09.840
<v Speaker 2>have to declare a mistrial. He'll stay in remand before

0:58:09.840 --> 0:58:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the state decides what they're going to do, Benson apologizes

0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:16.360
<v Speaker 2>to miss Rodriguez, Lisa and Hoda hug and unfortunately I

0:58:16.440 --> 0:58:18.560
<v Speaker 2>do keep thinking about Hoda from the Today Show and

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:22.480
<v Speaker 2>not Tom Sizemore, and I keep imagining her in this show,

0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and I keep spelling it like her name do. Barbara

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:28.400
<v Speaker 2>makes eye contact with the mom and you know he

0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:30.560
<v Speaker 2>has a taste of vengeance.

0:58:30.600 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 3>That can see it.

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Benson explains to the mom the options we can retry

0:58:34.280 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Hoda and do this all over again, and she's like,

0:58:36.760 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 2>would it turn out any different? And then the fore

0:58:39.120 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 2>women in another juror walk up to her and they

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:44.000
<v Speaker 2>just say, we want to say how sorry we are.

0:58:44.360 --> 0:58:46.880
<v Speaker 2>We all are so sorry, and at least most of us.

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.680
<v Speaker 2>And the other woman goes that man was evil. It

0:58:49.800 --> 0:58:52.920
<v Speaker 2>was clear as day and you are very brave. Benson

0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.600
<v Speaker 2>walks up to Careese and Barba for the scoop. One

0:58:55.680 --> 0:58:59.520
<v Speaker 2>jer basically thought lo Matin was guilty, and then two

0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:01.960
<v Speaker 2>jur were worried that the confession was coursed.

0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 3>So what do they do now?

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 2>For tonight, Miss Rodriguez and the jurors are going to

0:59:05.680 --> 0:59:09.200
<v Speaker 2>light some candles for Hector and do a memorial. She thinks, Barbara,

0:59:09.320 --> 0:59:11.680
<v Speaker 2>she knows how hard he tried. Carisy's going to go

0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:13.600
<v Speaker 2>to the hospital to meet up with Finn and Rollins

0:59:13.680 --> 0:59:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and Barbara wants to go to the memorial with the Jurs,

0:59:15.880 --> 0:59:20.240
<v Speaker 2>and Benson goes, okay, I'll meet you there. Somber music plays.

0:59:20.280 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 2>We're at the mural once again. Lomitsen is there a

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of candles. The mom cries, everyone is sad. Benson

0:59:26.960 --> 0:59:30.280
<v Speaker 2>pulls up with Wyatt's mom. Yes, bitch, we're gonna get

0:59:30.320 --> 0:59:33.040
<v Speaker 2>his ass. So, mom, mom, you know all the moms

0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 2>were together. She says, I'm so sorry, and she cries.

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Hector's mom cries and goes, He's gonna get away with it,

0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and Wyatt's mom says, no, he won't.

0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:44.560
<v Speaker 3>So basically she spoke to her ex.

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:46.280
<v Speaker 2>And Wyatt and they're all gonna help and they're going

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:48.280
<v Speaker 2>to cooperate and they're going to go to trial. And

0:59:48.320 --> 0:59:51.120
<v Speaker 2>the mom's hug. Benson and Barba stare at each other.

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I actually tear it up here. It really kind of

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.520
<v Speaker 2>got me. So Rollins is in the hospital, Caresey's still there.

0:59:57.560 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 2>The sun is fully up, Benson rolls in. The contractions

1:00:01.160 --> 1:00:03.600
<v Speaker 2>are happening. It hurts like hell, Like is this triggering

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:05.360
<v Speaker 2>when you watch birthing scenes or.

1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Like what no, I mean honestly, because like it does

1:00:08.720 --> 1:00:11.200
<v Speaker 1>really hurt. But like she played this really well because

1:00:11.200 --> 1:00:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, this isn't normal, Like her pain

1:00:13.240 --> 1:00:16.880
<v Speaker 1>seems different than it's. It's hard to say, like it

1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:18.960
<v Speaker 1>seems like a different kind of pain, like you're you're

1:00:19.000 --> 1:00:21.120
<v Speaker 1>definitely like when you're giving birth, you're like, oh my god,

1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:22.640
<v Speaker 1>this is horrible and you're but you're not.

1:00:22.560 --> 1:00:25.160
<v Speaker 3>Like you scream when you push a little bit.

1:00:25.160 --> 1:00:26.680
<v Speaker 1>But my doctor was like, you have to stop screaming.

1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:28.880
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, gotcha, and I would just look.

1:00:28.920 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 1>My doctor was like, but she's right, Like she's like

1:00:31.280 --> 1:00:33.200
<v Speaker 1>you're just gonna hurt your voice and like you don't

1:00:33.240 --> 1:00:34.280
<v Speaker 1>need to be screaming like that.

1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:34.960
<v Speaker 3>There are ways.

1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.800
<v Speaker 1>She basically was like, you can basically kind of like

1:00:37.960 --> 1:00:41.400
<v Speaker 1>grunt instead of screaming, and she was right, Like she

1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:43.040
<v Speaker 1>was right. I did figure out a different way to

1:00:43.080 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 1>like get out my pain that wasn't like, ah, you know,

1:00:46.320 --> 1:00:49.280
<v Speaker 1>like screaming, and I think it made it better for

1:00:49.320 --> 1:00:52.360
<v Speaker 1>everybody in the room. And but with Rollin's like I

1:00:52.440 --> 1:00:54.160
<v Speaker 1>was watching it being like, Wow, this is a good

1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>acting because this really feels different, like something is wrong,

1:00:57.200 --> 1:00:57.400
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1:00:57.520 --> 1:00:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Incredible acting.

1:00:58.720 --> 1:01:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Gettish really turned like this was amazing, But yeah, Kreishi

1:01:03.480 --> 1:01:05.800
<v Speaker 2>is like pushing her and basically she's it's too late

1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:08.920
<v Speaker 2>for an epidural. She's pushing. I hate watching this. She's screaming.

1:01:09.280 --> 1:01:12.080
<v Speaker 2>She says, it's not a contraction. Kara's right, it's my back.

1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.720
<v Speaker 2>It's my back. She starts crying. The monitor's going crazy.

1:01:15.120 --> 1:01:18.160
<v Speaker 2>They're getting a doctor in there. There's blood, doctor Sloane.

1:01:18.200 --> 1:01:21.240
<v Speaker 2>They scream, she's hemorrhaging the fetus. Heart rates going down,

1:01:21.680 --> 1:01:24.480
<v Speaker 2>not not fasting down, you know what I mean, Like

1:01:25.000 --> 1:01:28.320
<v Speaker 2>I just love icedy. Yeah, the doctor kicks everyone out,

1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:32.800
<v Speaker 2>Rollins is worried and crying, and then the credits and

1:01:32.840 --> 1:01:36.280
<v Speaker 2>we all know that everything ends up fine. The babies

1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:38.800
<v Speaker 2>are born. So it's like a cliffinger if you watch

1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.880
<v Speaker 2>it live, but like not really and that's dick Wolf

1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:46.160
<v Speaker 2>baby And uh oh, I think we're about to get

1:01:46.160 --> 1:01:47.160
<v Speaker 2>a sad case, Cara.

1:01:47.560 --> 1:01:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, get ready to get sad. My favorite catchphrase of

1:01:51.320 --> 1:01:54.880
<v Speaker 1>this podcast will be right back after a few messages

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<v Speaker 1>from our sponsors. Okay, so we are back. And I

1:02:13.720 --> 1:02:16.360
<v Speaker 1>think I mentioned this last week that the true crime

1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of you know, Hector's case is based it feels very

1:02:21.200 --> 1:02:25.720
<v Speaker 1>obviously on Aton Pats, who was this was a huge

1:02:25.800 --> 1:02:29.680
<v Speaker 1>case in New York City and actually nationally. On May

1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:34.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifth, nineteen seventy nine, sadly, six year old little

1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Aton left his apartment in Soho by himself for the

1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:40.440
<v Speaker 1>first time, just like in Lost Traveler episode that we

1:02:40.480 --> 1:02:44.440
<v Speaker 1>did like and when Lebe Kletzky, who that episode is

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<v Speaker 1>based on, when he disappeared. A lot of people were

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<v Speaker 1>drawing parallels to these two things. That such a short

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<v Speaker 1>walk kids first time walking to school by himself? How

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<v Speaker 1>old can you let kids walk alone in New York?

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<v Speaker 1>And did they just run into the wrong person at

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong time both of them? Obviously the answer is yes,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know. I just six seems so young

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<v Speaker 1>to let a little kid go And apparently though the

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<v Speaker 1>parents agonized over the decision to let him go alone,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said other kids were allowed to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>why couldn't he, So you know, when you're begging saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>all my friends are doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's also interesting that, like the New York City

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<v Speaker 2>is a part of it because I grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>like a quaint suburb, I would say, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>first grade, like I was allowed to go around the

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<v Speaker 2>block or like walk to it was a straight shot

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<v Speaker 2>to school.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like five olus straight. I mean I took

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<v Speaker 3>the bus and yeah, but like it is like I

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<v Speaker 3>could go to the park in elementary school. I feel well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's like a couple episodes ago we did

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<v Speaker 1>that Little Beauty Queen that was like Outsider my rando.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like people, anything can happen, like it is

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<v Speaker 1>like terrible, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh you're right, you're right. How do you decide

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<v Speaker 2>as a parent what's right what's not? Because then I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've talked about it, but I had like one

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<v Speaker 2>boy neighbor that his mom wouldn't even let him go

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<v Speaker 2>around the block. He truly had to go back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth like in our townhouse thing. And that was a

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<v Speaker 2>little much too, Like we all got to go around

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<v Speaker 2>the block.

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<v Speaker 3>And he couldn't. Yeah, and we thought it was too strict,

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<v Speaker 3>But like, how do you do it? How do people

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<v Speaker 3>decide what to do? I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I follow accounts that are like never let your kid

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<v Speaker 1>do a sleepover, and I'm like, I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>How else because of my less station or what.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you never know who's at other people's houses.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know, like are you checking to see who

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<v Speaker 1>has a gun? Like I don't know, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's all kinds of crazy shit we have to constantly

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<v Speaker 1>be worried about as parents. It's such a delightful journey.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's he was only supposed to walk two blocks,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is all happening, Like I think he lives

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<v Speaker 1>on Prince Street. He just has to walk to West Broadway.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this exact area. My aunt and uncle used

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<v Speaker 1>to live down there, Like I know exactly where they are.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, soho is so popular?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, who knows what it was like in

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<v Speaker 1>seventy nine, but it's it's a busy area. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he never made it to the bus. He was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to walk two blocks to get on the school bus.

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<v Speaker 1>He never made it. He when he vanished, he was

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<v Speaker 1>wearing a black hat that read future Flight Captain, a

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<v Speaker 1>little blue corduroy jacket, jeans, and blue sneakers with Florestan stripes.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what pisses me off.

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<v Speaker 1>At school, his teacher noticed he was gone, but for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason didn't tell anyone.

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<v Speaker 3>So no one knows.

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<v Speaker 1>He's missing until three point thirty, when he doesn't come

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<v Speaker 1>home from school. We don't get to the bottom of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it pisses me off. So at first they you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the family were suspects at the beginning, as usual, but

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<v Speaker 1>they ruled them out pretty quickly, and then that night

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<v Speaker 1>started the search. On May twenty fifth, like everybody there

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<v Speaker 1>was like one hundred police officers, bloodhounds, everyone's looking for

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<v Speaker 1>this kid.

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<v Speaker 3>For weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>They're canvassing missing posters, but there were barely any leads,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it really was like the kid just vanished

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<v Speaker 1>in a two block walk. His dad was named Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>Pats and he was a professional photographer, so he had

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<v Speaker 1>so many beautiful photos of his son, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>because of that, the kid was just so post child

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<v Speaker 1>for missing kids, Like just these gorgeous pictures of this

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<v Speaker 1>little blonde hair, bowl cut, sweet kid with a big smile,

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<v Speaker 1>and so those were all over walls, those were on time,

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<v Speaker 1>they were projected in Times Square, and he was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the first faces on the milk carton. So like

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<v Speaker 1>his disappearance, really, why don't they do that anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, because I don't I really don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't wonder. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 1>But this his disappearance like really ignited a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>national conversation about missing kids and about kidnapping. And like

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<v Speaker 1>I was born like shortly after this or a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit after this, and like it really was a huge

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<v Speaker 1>thing growing up, like kidnapping, like don't talk to strangers,

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<v Speaker 1>stranger danger, Like don't do this, don't do that, Like

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<v Speaker 1>anyone could kidnap you at any moment.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We talk about this before, but the seventies just seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like a heyday for crime. Yeah, like you could kidnap anyone,

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<v Speaker 2>and people weren't locking their door, they would let you in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was yeh, free for all. So I

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<v Speaker 2>feel the eighties went the other way where it was

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<v Speaker 2>just like no one walk outside, everyone's gonna be kidnapped.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally, totally.

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<v Speaker 1>And but and it's interesting to me just because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like I think, what we realize now looking back, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like so much more horrific shit happens like in people's

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<v Speaker 1>homes or like like in their communities. Then even though

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<v Speaker 1>this happens and it's horrific, like random street snatchings are

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<v Speaker 1>not as common as like the other kinds of like

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<v Speaker 1>abuse that I know, But a people's noses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I get being a parent. If I was,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't never I would be the neighbor that I

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<v Speaker 2>hated as a kid and be like, you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>around the block like I really, I really don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how people or even like me thinking about things I

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<v Speaker 2>did in high school.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was on the back of a motorcycle.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, don't let your kids leave anything, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it is so scared because like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. But then the one time you let your

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<v Speaker 2>kid walk and then they're gone forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I know exactly. It's like wild, it's horrible. It

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<v Speaker 1>is horrible.

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<v Speaker 2>The animal can it right give birth and swim away,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, fertilize the eggs and be

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<v Speaker 2>an octopus and you're on your own, bitch, Like that

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<v Speaker 2>seems like you way to do it. Shark life, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>shark life. Baby having to take care of the kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I just I get it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I just am still at the phase where I have

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<v Speaker 1>to be so close to my kids so they don't

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<v Speaker 1>like just like fall and crack their heads open. They're

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<v Speaker 1>just so still little and like always getting into trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>so going doing anything independently is not really for them

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<v Speaker 1>right now, but it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Who knows what I'll do anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>If baby Oscar was just walking down the Joy to

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<v Speaker 2>get some he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Like park park.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen eighty three, on May twenty fifth, we

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<v Speaker 1>still haven't found him, and that's the anniversary of his disappearance.

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<v Speaker 1>Four years that was designated National Missing Children's Day in

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<v Speaker 1>the US by Reagan, and it started this missing children

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<v Speaker 1>like movement, Like there was new legislation, new methods for

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<v Speaker 1>finding kids. There was a woman who grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City, like you said, kind of off the leash,

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<v Speaker 1>just like playing in the Central Park until nightfall and

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<v Speaker 1>then just walking home. And she told New York Magazine

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<v Speaker 1>in an interview it all changed after Aton, like we

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<v Speaker 1>all looked at each other and said, well, that world

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<v Speaker 1>is gone. So I think there just was a time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, back where kids were more free range. And

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<v Speaker 1>like it's just not I don't know, everyone's too scared.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty five, the United the Assistant United States

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney Stuart R. Gray Boys found this case and identified

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<v Speaker 1>Jose Antonio Ramos as a prime suspect. This guy was

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<v Speaker 1>a convicted child molester who had dated one of Aton's

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<v Speaker 1>former babysitters, so that's the connection. And then years before

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<v Speaker 1>his arret his arrest or his being identified in eighty two,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of boys had accused Ramos of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>lure them into a drain pipe where he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like lived or something, and then when they searched the

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<v Speaker 1>drain pipe, they found all these photos of Ramos with

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<v Speaker 1>boys who looked like Aton. So the prosecutors eventually, though,

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<v Speaker 1>they just like could not make anything against him stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at one point it sounded like he was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I hurt that boy, but then he never named him,

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<v Speaker 1>like he didn't know if it was him. Then nobody

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<v Speaker 1>knew if it was him. And then but for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time people thought that was him, and they just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't make a case. And in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 1>his parents even won a civil suit against Ramos for

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<v Speaker 1>two million dollars, which was mostly symbolic he had no money,

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<v Speaker 1>like they never saw a dime of it. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was never criminally prosecuted for the murder, just the civil case.

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<v Speaker 1>And every year, on Aton's birthday and the anniversary of

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<v Speaker 1>his disappearance, the father would send him a copy of

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<v Speaker 1>the missing poster and say and write what did you

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<v Speaker 1>do to my little boy on the back of it,

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<v Speaker 1>So he was not, you know, giving up on this

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<v Speaker 1>guy being the guy. But then later Ramos denied that

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<v Speaker 1>he killed him and he was a child molester. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he served another twenty year sentence in Pennsylvania for child molestation.

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<v Speaker 1>He was released in twenty twelve, but then was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>on a Megan's law violation. So I really don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, a Ton's body was never found and he

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<v Speaker 1>was declared legally dead on June nineteenth of two thousand

1:11:25.640 --> 1:11:29.439
<v Speaker 1>and one, but then cut to twenty ten. This is

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm living in the city. This is when I'm

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<v Speaker 1>reading all about this case because it started to come

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<v Speaker 1>up in like newspapers again because at that time, the

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<v Speaker 1>DA in Manhattan was named Syvance. And he reopened the

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<v Speaker 1>case on the anniversary of the death on May twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of anniversaries of this kid's disappearance. The

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<v Speaker 1>thirty first anniversary of his disappearance, he reopens the case,

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<v Speaker 1>and a couple of years later, April nineteenth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>the FBI and the NYPD start excavating the basement much

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<v Speaker 1>like in the episode of one hundred and twenty seven B.

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<v Speaker 1>Prince Street, which is a couple of doors down from

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<v Speaker 1>Aton's house. This residence had been like newly refurbished kind

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<v Speaker 1>of right after his disappearance, a lot like what we

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<v Speaker 1>figured out in this episode, like, oh, what's this construction.

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<v Speaker 3>Going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>Concrete being laid, you know, and the basement had been

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<v Speaker 1>a workshop and a storage space for a handyman. And

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<v Speaker 1>after a four day search, investigator said, quote unquote, nothing

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<v Speaker 1>conclusive found, but then they caught a break a month later,

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty fourth of twenty twelve, NYPD commissioner Raymond Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>Whose son is Ray Kelly? Who is that or wait

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<v Speaker 3>is that his name?

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<v Speaker 1>He was one of our purpose that we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>in an episode. He was like a he's a Fox News, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Fox anchor who allegedly attacked a woman, you know, sexually

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted a woman. And yeah, his father, the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>was his father was the police commissioner. So Raymond Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>announced that a man was in custody who had implicated

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<v Speaker 1>himself in Aton's disappearance. And this was fifty one year

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<v Speaker 1>old Pedro Hernandez of map Shade, New Jersey, who confessed

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<v Speaker 1>to strangling Aton. He was brought in as a suspect

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<v Speaker 1>after Jose Lopez, who was Pedro Hernandez's brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to investigators because he was like, I think

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<v Speaker 1>my brother in law did this. Hernandez eventually confessed, writing

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<v Speaker 1>in his written confession, I'm quote unquote I'm sorry I

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<v Speaker 1>choke him shok, which is, you know, obviously a typo,

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<v Speaker 1>but he wrote a confession. Apparently Aton had a dollar

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<v Speaker 1>and had told his parents that he was going to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a soda to drink with his lunch. Hernandez, who

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<v Speaker 1>was eighteen at the time, worked at a local bodega.

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<v Speaker 1>He told police he lured Aton to the basement where

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<v Speaker 1>he choked him to death, and then he said he

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<v Speaker 1>put the boy into a plastic bag and put the

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<v Speaker 1>bag in a box that he left in a nearby

1:13:47.800 --> 1:13:49.800
<v Speaker 1>garbage and it's just wild.

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<v Speaker 3>He was just never found.

1:13:51.600 --> 1:13:54.080
<v Speaker 1>And he said he believed the child was still alive

1:13:54.120 --> 1:13:57.160
<v Speaker 1>when he left him, but I don't I don't know,

1:13:57.439 --> 1:13:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and he said in one of his interviews, I just

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't let go. I felt like something just took over me.

1:14:03.000 --> 1:14:06.840
<v Speaker 1>And he does have mental health problems that I will

1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:09.280
<v Speaker 1>get into, of course. So Hernandez was charged with second

1:14:09.320 --> 1:14:12.840
<v Speaker 1>degree murdered despite there being no physical evidence to corroborate

1:14:12.880 --> 1:14:17.240
<v Speaker 1>his confession. In twenty fifteen, he was tried, but much

1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like in the episode, that case ended in a mistrial

1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:24.839
<v Speaker 1>after eighteen days of deliberations because one juror declined to convict.

1:14:25.160 --> 1:14:27.559
<v Speaker 1>There was wonder who said he was swayed by the

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<v Speaker 1>defense's arguments that Hernandez had mental health problems and that

1:14:31.720 --> 1:14:34.559
<v Speaker 1>called his confession into question, and that said another suspect

1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:36.799
<v Speaker 1>could have been the killer, like how in the episode

1:14:36.800 --> 1:14:37.479
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to act like.

1:14:37.479 --> 1:14:38.400
<v Speaker 3>It could have been Lomitin.

1:14:39.360 --> 1:14:42.240
<v Speaker 1>So he was retried, which hopefully I know they end

1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:44.479
<v Speaker 1>this episode saying we will retry, but we don't really

1:14:44.520 --> 1:14:48.559
<v Speaker 1>get any closure. In twenty seventeen, Hernandez was retried, found

1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:53.600
<v Speaker 1>guilty of murdering kidnapping, and on April eighteenth, he was

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole

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<v Speaker 1>after serving at least twenty five years. So by my calculations,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be around twenty forty two that he would

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<v Speaker 1>be eligible for parole.

1:15:03.680 --> 1:15:06.960
<v Speaker 3>And I mean he was free and clear for what

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five.

1:15:07.680 --> 1:15:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Years, thirty one years, like thirty three years really, I mean,

1:15:11.280 --> 1:15:14.360
<v Speaker 1>like he didn't go to This happened in seventy nine

1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:16.840
<v Speaker 1>and he didn't go to jail until twenty seventeen.

1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:20.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm just wondering what ticks off the brother in law.

1:15:21.720 --> 1:15:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I bet you he confessed.

1:15:23.120 --> 1:15:24.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I bet you he told him, because like

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<v Speaker 1>if he was dealing with mental health problems, he might

1:15:27.320 --> 1:15:29.080
<v Speaker 1>have just you know, been like I did this thing,

1:15:29.280 --> 1:15:33.960
<v Speaker 1>you know. So I don't know, but the brother in

1:15:34.000 --> 1:15:36.840
<v Speaker 1>law's what got them too. But yeah, this, like the

1:15:36.960 --> 1:15:41.200
<v Speaker 1>case like Aton Pats was like the cautionary missing child

1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:45.040
<v Speaker 1>case I feel like nationwide for like the eighties. And

1:15:45.080 --> 1:15:47.599
<v Speaker 1>then again, yeah, the case was brought up again when

1:15:47.800 --> 1:15:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Lebe Kletsky was killed as well and kidnapped, kidnapped and

1:15:51.400 --> 1:15:55.160
<v Speaker 1>killed because it was just such a short distance, you know,

1:15:55.680 --> 1:15:57.280
<v Speaker 1>first time going out on your own.

1:15:58.680 --> 1:16:03.959
<v Speaker 3>So sad, and he's such a cute little boy. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>well yeah that's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Join us for a post mortem. Oh god, this is

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<v Speaker 2>yeah depraved. Okay, moving it along.

1:16:19.040 --> 1:16:21.879
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into this post mortem. I mean, sadly,

1:16:22.000 --> 1:16:24.640
<v Speaker 1>it's just like a so sad other story of like

1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:29.280
<v Speaker 1>you know this time of this time in this country.

1:16:29.479 --> 1:16:31.840
<v Speaker 1>That was you play until the lights come on, the

1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.200
<v Speaker 1>street lights come on, or whatever is what people say.

1:16:34.240 --> 1:16:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that's how I grew up. You played until the

1:16:35.960 --> 1:16:38.479
<v Speaker 1>street lights came on. And like letting a little six

1:16:38.600 --> 1:16:41.200
<v Speaker 1>year old walk to school in New York maybe worked

1:16:41.200 --> 1:16:43.360
<v Speaker 1>for a lot of people, but sadly.

1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't even imagine it anymore. I mean I was

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<v Speaker 2>home alone starting in first grade, like I made myself

1:16:48.560 --> 1:16:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Celeste pizzas, I went and played outside, like I handled

1:16:52.439 --> 1:16:55.120
<v Speaker 2>my business. I watched Power Rangers on my own, like

1:16:55.720 --> 1:16:59.120
<v Speaker 2>I was that classic like nineties kid that was just

1:16:59.120 --> 1:17:01.880
<v Speaker 2>home alone for hours in the day. And I can't

1:17:01.920 --> 1:17:05.200
<v Speaker 2>imagine that happening today. I can't imagine a first grader,

1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:07.680
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I live across.

1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:08.799
<v Speaker 3>The street from an elementary school.

1:17:08.920 --> 1:17:10.920
<v Speaker 2>I cannot imagine one of those kids I saw at

1:17:10.920 --> 1:17:12.639
<v Speaker 2>the Halloween parade walking home by themselves.

1:17:12.640 --> 1:17:15.919
<v Speaker 3>I would never allow it. Yeah, not to blame parent.

1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:20.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's just but is life really unsafer? Like

1:17:20.800 --> 1:17:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know what that is.

1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:25.439
<v Speaker 1>The dangers have changed right now. It's like we give

1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:28.160
<v Speaker 1>them phones and there's so much danger inside the phones.

1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:29.759
<v Speaker 1>Both psychological and.

1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of danger.

1:17:31.280 --> 1:17:35.200
<v Speaker 2>So I was on TikTok and I saw this girl.

1:17:35.800 --> 1:17:38.479
<v Speaker 2>She a young adult, but she was like, hey, you know,

1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I've seen people argue or talk about like parental controls

1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:45.800
<v Speaker 2>on phones and like internet. And she goes, as, I'm

1:17:45.800 --> 1:17:47.559
<v Speaker 2>going to speak from my experience. She goes, I didn't

1:17:47.600 --> 1:17:49.679
<v Speaker 2>get a phone until I was twelve, but I had

1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:53.599
<v Speaker 2>unlimited screen time with absolutely no supervision. And she says

1:17:53.640 --> 1:17:55.280
<v Speaker 2>she talked to her parents later in life and they

1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.679
<v Speaker 2>were just like, well, yeah, we trusted you. But she goes,

1:17:57.720 --> 1:17:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I've been talking to adult men since I was undered

1:18:00.000 --> 1:18:02.880
<v Speaker 2>ten years old. She goes, I would make profiles and

1:18:02.960 --> 1:18:05.160
<v Speaker 2>adult men would reach out and I wanted attention, and

1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:06.680
<v Speaker 2>that's to give me attention. And she goes, and when

1:18:06.720 --> 1:18:08.320
<v Speaker 2>I got off my phone and all the message boards

1:18:08.320 --> 1:18:10.400
<v Speaker 2>shoot and then she goes on and on about all

1:18:10.400 --> 1:18:12.400
<v Speaker 2>the different places. But she goes, I've been talking to

1:18:12.439 --> 1:18:14.639
<v Speaker 2>adult men on the internet since I was a young child.

1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:21.439
<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, like I And she's like, I'm this is

1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:23.559
<v Speaker 3>just a heads up, Like it's not about trust. It's

1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:25.120
<v Speaker 3>not like you got to teach and you got to

1:18:25.160 --> 1:18:27.600
<v Speaker 3>like watch what's happening. Because she didn't know it was

1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:29.920
<v Speaker 3>weird or wrong. Why would she know it's weird to

1:18:29.960 --> 1:18:33.240
<v Speaker 3>talk to adult men, you know, yeah, like I aspect.

1:18:32.840 --> 1:18:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Adults, and I used to get on like I used

1:18:36.080 --> 1:18:38.799
<v Speaker 1>to get on AOL at these people's house I babysat

1:18:38.840 --> 1:18:41.639
<v Speaker 1>for when I was like fourteen, just under their family

1:18:41.720 --> 1:18:45.679
<v Speaker 1>profile and just like talk to random dudes in chat rooms,

1:18:45.800 --> 1:18:47.680
<v Speaker 1>and I assumed they were like they would tell me

1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:49.439
<v Speaker 1>they were in college and I was like a freshman

1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:51.840
<v Speaker 1>in high school, but they easily could have been like

1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:54.280
<v Speaker 1>dirty old men, and you know, like it's.

1:18:54.240 --> 1:18:56.599
<v Speaker 3>Just, uh, that's wild. That's wild.

1:18:56.680 --> 1:18:58.240
<v Speaker 1>And her parents trusted her, but it's like it's not

1:18:58.240 --> 1:19:01.240
<v Speaker 1>even about trust. It's like curiosity and they're lucky that

1:19:01.400 --> 1:19:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you only wanted the attention and you didn't like actually seek.

1:19:05.080 --> 1:19:06.799
<v Speaker 3>To go meet up in public.

1:19:06.960 --> 1:19:12.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, well this is this is switched topics.

1:19:12.439 --> 1:19:15.639
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like there's so many like there's there's.

1:19:15.400 --> 1:19:16.360
<v Speaker 3>So many dangers.

1:19:16.479 --> 1:19:19.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not switching topics because it's basically like

1:19:20.360 --> 1:19:23.160
<v Speaker 2>the mom truly did nothing, Like none of these people

1:19:23.200 --> 1:19:23.880
<v Speaker 2>did anything wrong.

1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Like if you do live two blocks from school, or.

1:19:25.640 --> 1:19:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe Rosie is in third or fourth grade and goes,

1:19:28.320 --> 1:19:29.760
<v Speaker 2>let me just walk to school on my own.

1:19:29.760 --> 1:19:32.439
<v Speaker 3>It is a few blocks, Like, yeah, you know, is

1:19:32.439 --> 1:19:33.680
<v Speaker 3>it that crazy? It's not.

1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:38.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like as a parent, there's truly I might let

1:19:38.040 --> 1:19:39.840
<v Speaker 1>her do it with a friend, like with a buddy.

1:19:39.920 --> 1:19:42.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's like very like.

1:19:42.800 --> 1:19:43.960
<v Speaker 3>That's the thing. I don't know.

1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.519
<v Speaker 2>The way it's all connected is it's like you're just

1:19:46.720 --> 1:19:49.320
<v Speaker 2>your kid wants stuff. You want to trust them. You

1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:51.160
<v Speaker 2>need to let them grow. When do you let them go?

1:19:51.320 --> 1:19:53.519
<v Speaker 3>You don't want to be too strict like I had

1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:55.519
<v Speaker 3>friends in high school, or too like parents were so

1:19:55.640 --> 1:19:59.360
<v Speaker 3>strict and or like you finally went to my parents' house,

1:19:59.400 --> 1:20:01.240
<v Speaker 3>that little town house thing where I told you that

1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:03.519
<v Speaker 3>boy who lived next to me had to just bicycle

1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:04.960
<v Speaker 3>back and forth and couldn't.

1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Go around the block. But I got to go around

1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the block and something happened to me. What would that prove?

1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:12.839
<v Speaker 2>You know, Like, as a parent, you're gonna blame yourself.

1:20:12.880 --> 1:20:15.760
<v Speaker 2>There's no right or wrong answer. It's just like, because

1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:18.400
<v Speaker 2>if you lock everything off the internet, your kid doesn't

1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:20.320
<v Speaker 2>like you, and then they're looking how to get into stuff.

1:20:20.320 --> 1:20:23.200
<v Speaker 3>There is no there's no way to one hundred percent

1:20:23.240 --> 1:20:23.920
<v Speaker 3>protect your kids on.

1:20:23.960 --> 1:20:27.400
<v Speaker 2>It's just communications, and yeah, I think it's just open, honest,

1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.639
<v Speaker 2>constant communication, which is hard.

1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:32.479
<v Speaker 3>It's hard because you're tired or whatever, you know, or.

1:20:32.520 --> 1:20:36.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's like things going on. I mean it's

1:20:36.280 --> 1:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>like it's also like I don't know, I could see

1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:44.320
<v Speaker 1>I could see in like nineteen seventy nine being like, oh, Soho,

1:20:44.400 --> 1:20:48.120
<v Speaker 1>streets are bustling at eight am when it's time to

1:20:48.120 --> 1:20:50.120
<v Speaker 1>go to school, like people are going to see him.

1:20:50.160 --> 1:20:52.160
<v Speaker 1>He's going to be around other people or whatever, like

1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:54.120
<v Speaker 1>then he went into a bodega. Just the fact that

1:20:54.160 --> 1:20:58.120
<v Speaker 1>nobody saw a ton Pats at all, Like nobody saw

1:20:58.160 --> 1:21:00.000
<v Speaker 1>this guy take him or anything, like there were no

1:21:00.240 --> 1:21:02.559
<v Speaker 1>witnesses is so wild to me. It's not like they

1:21:02.560 --> 1:21:05.640
<v Speaker 1>were in a rural area. They were in Soho. You know,

1:21:05.960 --> 1:21:09.439
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's just like really but it's I mean,

1:21:09.479 --> 1:21:11.400
<v Speaker 1>it's chilling. I mean, he literally is the face on

1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:12.080
<v Speaker 1>the milk carton.

1:21:12.840 --> 1:21:14.880
<v Speaker 3>But it's sad.

1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:19.040
<v Speaker 1>But also yeah, you know, separating the art from the artist.

1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:22.240
<v Speaker 1>I think Tom Sizemore was a troublesome figure, but he's

1:21:22.240 --> 1:21:24.120
<v Speaker 1>great in this in this episode, he's.

1:21:23.960 --> 1:21:26.320
<v Speaker 3>Here, he's revery.

1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:30.519
<v Speaker 2>He's really good unless but unless he was truly on

1:21:30.600 --> 1:21:34.880
<v Speaker 2>drugs the whole time. Yeah, then it's a method acting.

1:21:35.520 --> 1:21:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:39.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know which one it is, but it's and

1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:42.880
<v Speaker 2>then it's the horrific like the cement pouring in.

1:21:43.200 --> 1:21:46.360
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's a lot. Yeah.

1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:49.400
<v Speaker 2>For some reason, I thought Alex Karpovsky did it like

1:21:49.439 --> 1:21:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the whole time. I'm like, oh, it's this Luky Lou

1:21:51.680 --> 1:21:53.320
<v Speaker 2>for sure, it's the Luky Lou.

1:21:53.320 --> 1:21:57.000
<v Speaker 3>And it wasn't. And and I've seen this episode tons

1:21:57.040 --> 1:21:57.840
<v Speaker 3>of times, so it is.

1:21:58.720 --> 1:22:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Well, it might be thinking of is there is another

1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:04.200
<v Speaker 1>episode where a young guy who wants.

1:22:04.080 --> 1:22:06.640
<v Speaker 3>To be a cop show a Sharon Stone.

1:22:06.479 --> 1:22:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is fucking around with stuff to get attention and

1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:11.799
<v Speaker 1>like get or find things or whatever.

1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:13.640
<v Speaker 3>And so that could be what you were thinking of.

1:22:15.280 --> 1:22:17.559
<v Speaker 2>No, because he didn't do it either. He did want

1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:22.000
<v Speaker 2>to help. He's just an idiot. Yeah. You know, like

1:22:22.080 --> 1:22:23.559
<v Speaker 2>if you want to be a cop and then you

1:22:23.600 --> 1:22:26.880
<v Speaker 2>become a cop, okay, I can't there's a you know,

1:22:26.960 --> 1:22:29.840
<v Speaker 2>whatever our feelings are, I can respect that a little more.

1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Then you're obsessed with cops and you're not a cop.

1:22:33.840 --> 1:22:37.400
<v Speaker 2>That is that is a that is more worrisome. I

1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:40.360
<v Speaker 2>would rather fuck a cop than fuck someone that wants

1:22:40.400 --> 1:22:42.519
<v Speaker 2>to be a cop and can't and is obsessed with

1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:44.479
<v Speaker 2>cops and is buying cop like merch.

1:22:45.120 --> 1:22:46.680
<v Speaker 3>That is the scariest thing you can be.

1:22:47.000 --> 1:22:51.680
<v Speaker 1>So he is an auxiliary auxiliary police officer, which I'm

1:22:51.680 --> 1:22:55.320
<v Speaker 1>looking up is also called volunteer police police, assistant police,

1:22:55.360 --> 1:22:56.160
<v Speaker 1>civil police.

1:22:56.560 --> 1:23:01.360
<v Speaker 3>Do these people get paid? No, they're volunteers. Wow, this

1:23:01.400 --> 1:23:03.640
<v Speaker 3>may they may be armed. It says they may be

1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:04.759
<v Speaker 3>armed or unarmed.

1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:08.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, this reminds me of like it's probably more in

1:23:08.200 --> 1:23:11.120
<v Speaker 2>smaller towns, but these This reminds me of two celeb stories.

1:23:11.120 --> 1:23:13.519
<v Speaker 2>So when we had Tucker on Robert John Burke, he's

1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:18.759
<v Speaker 2>a volunteer firefighter and so that's really sexy. And then

1:23:19.360 --> 1:23:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, famously, after nine to eleven, Steve Buscemi went

1:23:22.800 --> 1:23:25.120
<v Speaker 2>back and volunteered at his old firehouse.

1:23:25.400 --> 1:23:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Right, So I.

1:23:27.120 --> 1:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Think it's kind of like that when something's going on

1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:32.760
<v Speaker 2>and you need a volunteer cop. But like, why would

1:23:32.760 --> 1:23:36.080
<v Speaker 2>the NYPD need that? They have so many resources and people.

1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:38.680
<v Speaker 2>I understand if you live in the middle of nowhere,

1:23:39.600 --> 1:23:43.320
<v Speaker 2>that would happen. Listen, we we have some, you know,

1:23:43.520 --> 1:23:45.519
<v Speaker 2>give us, give us some. What would sister Peg do

1:23:45.760 --> 1:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>give us some insight.

1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:49.760
<v Speaker 1>This is our what would Sister Peg do, where we

1:23:49.880 --> 1:23:55.280
<v Speaker 1>direct you towards an organization, a doc, a book, something

1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:56.960
<v Speaker 1>to give you more info about what we talked about today.

1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.639
<v Speaker 1>And if you're interested in a little bit more about

1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:04.400
<v Speaker 1>the eighth on Pat's disappearance and you know, and his murder. Unfortunately,

1:24:05.200 --> 1:24:07.560
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to point you to an episode of CBS's

1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:10.519
<v Speaker 1>forty eight Hours called The Lost Boy. It aired in

1:24:10.520 --> 1:24:12.559
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, and it looks back at the past three

1:24:12.600 --> 1:24:16.639
<v Speaker 1>decades since his disappearance and it goes all the way

1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>up to the sentencing of Pedro Hernandez in twenty seventeen.

1:24:20.800 --> 1:24:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And the link to the episode will be in our

1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:25.120
<v Speaker 1>show notes and the link is like an Apple TV link,

1:24:25.120 --> 1:24:27.639
<v Speaker 1>but you can also watch it on like Paramount Plus

1:24:28.200 --> 1:24:31.519
<v Speaker 1>and who Like. It's one of those embargoed things where

1:24:31.560 --> 1:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>there's like five different.

1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Places you can watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>So forty eight Hours The Lost Boy, and that will

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