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Speaker 2: From the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Around the NFL.
Speaker 2: My name is Dan hansis got a hero here, Greg Rosenthal,
Speaker 2: Mark Sessler just dudes a little bit more time. He's
Speaker 2: getting closer to a return and also joining us. Greg
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Speaker 2: This is the Wednesday edition of Around the NFL Hump Day.
Speaker 1: Greg.
Speaker 2: You shared with this privately that hump Day can sometimes
Speaker 2: be challenging for you.
Speaker 6: Well, you were trying to say that, I wasn't trying
Speaker 6: to say vibe to me today, and I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 6: this is like a low energy It's it's an EBB day.
Speaker 1: Different vibe a.
Speaker 7: Little bit of because he's saying that he's low energy.
Speaker 7: But he has been a little bit of an overachiever.
Speaker 7: If you ask me already today he over ader.
Speaker 2: Perhaps there was some on our messenging client. You were
Speaker 2: doing some things, asking for things you usually don't ask for.
Speaker 2: Then we had a lighting issue in the studio and
Speaker 2: Greg hopped up and started hitting buttons trying to get
Speaker 2: the lighting turned out.
Speaker 6: He showed me how to do the lighting for Monday night.
Speaker 6: He sent out at power.
Speaker 2: On, he sent out an interoffice memo about something, just
Speaker 2: getting his hands around another end of our enterprise.
Speaker 7: You've been he's active, he's guilt, he's morphing, into his
Speaker 7: old like boss self.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's always there. I keep it under wraps,
Speaker 6: but it's always there.
Speaker 1: Just think it easy, Bud. Everything's under control. Everything's good.
Speaker 6: Dan's offended that I asked for a newsdrop. Apparently we
Speaker 6: just don't normally do news on Wednesday, and we got news,
Speaker 6: so I asked for said we need a news drop,
Speaker 6: that's all.
Speaker 3: I think it's a good book.
Speaker 2: It was outside your purview, typical purview, that's all. And
Speaker 2: I wasn't offended by it, but I clocked it. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's a little different. And then I get here and
Speaker 2: you're a whole different person. You're all over the place today.
Speaker 8: That's good. You want to be unpredictable and you are.
Speaker 1: Wild card coming up a little bit later today.
Speaker 2: And yes, because we have a little bit of a
Speaker 2: different Greag today, I'm excited to see what he comes
Speaker 2: up with when we talk about what you people don't
Speaker 2: realize in the NFL. Right now, as we are now
Speaker 2: heading headlong into the second half of the regular season,
Speaker 2: we also will hit some of the primetime previews the
Speaker 2: Island games. Connie, of course, the face and the anchor,
Speaker 2: get a tight shot of this.
Speaker 1: One she's got the library look going on today.
Speaker 8: I have my library.
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Speaker 7: It does robocns moving in.
Speaker 3: Don't happen.
Speaker 7: Oh wow, I've seen like, I don't know five of
Speaker 7: these and ten years I've worked here.
Speaker 1: All right, So.
Speaker 2: We'll talk Thursday Night Football, Talk, Sunday Night Football, Monday
Speaker 2: Night football. But first, yes, we got a little bit
Speaker 2: of a housekeeping in the news, big news.
Speaker 4: Actually, here's what I would say for because I tell
Speaker 4: my family this, just wear a diaper before some of
Speaker 4: these games.
Speaker 1: And I'll give him an a word to say, put
Speaker 1: them on and be ready to roll.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: That is from ninety seven to one in the ticket,
Speaker 2: and that is of course Dan Campbell.
Speaker 1: And I could give you some context on why he's saying,
Speaker 1: but I choose not to.
Speaker 2: Just know that he suggests that his family wears a
Speaker 2: diaper per game.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that games are crazy, and you know he should
Speaker 8: get it. Get a little crazy. You might be your bands.
Speaker 1: See. I wasn't going to give the context, Greg jump.
Speaker 8: I mean, what is the context again? Context?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I didn't have any initiative, Greg, He's on fire today.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go poop. What's that from?
Speaker 9: Some of these you just sit on and you sit
Speaker 9: on and you wait. Now from it was a pooper
Speaker 9: pop over summer season.
Speaker 8: You could never have picked a better moment to use it.
Speaker 1: That was sometimes you just hold through. I may never
Speaker 1: played again, but you.
Speaker 2: Can leave the studio because you're not gonna be what
Speaker 2: you just did there. Let's get to the news. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know who's pooping their pants? And fear the Cleveland
Speaker 2: Browns because, uh, the quarterback that they mortgage their future
Speaker 2: for and a lot more than just their future is
Speaker 2: out for the season. Deshaun Watson needs shoulder surgery after
Speaker 2: sustaining an injury against the Ravens and that dramatic comeback win.
Speaker 2: I have a missive to share from the raven from
Speaker 2: the Browns. On Watson's injury, Deshaun Watson underwent magnetic resonance
Speaker 2: imaging open parenthetical MRI closed parenthetical Monday on two injuries
Speaker 2: sustained on different plays in the first half of Sunday's
Speaker 2: thirty three thirty one win over the Baltimore Ravens. Imaging
Speaker 2: on his left ankle revealed a high ankle sprain. In addition,
Speaker 2: postgame to sewn notified our medical staff of a new
Speaker 2: discomfort in his right shoulder that he felt after a
Speaker 2: hit in the first half an MRI that is a
Speaker 2: magnetic resonance imaging. They didn't add it again, but it's
Speaker 2: funny to me at the first time of his right
Speaker 2: shoulder revealed a displace fractured to the glenoid, despite performing
Speaker 2: at a high level and finishing the game. After consultation
Speaker 2: with Brown's head physician James Booz, MD and industry leading
Speaker 2: shoulder specialist Neil Ellatratch, MD, it had been determined that
Speaker 2: hisn't I'm still reading by the way, that this injury
Speaker 2: will require immediate surgical repair to avoid further structural damage
Speaker 2: to Shawn will be placed on season ending injured reserve
Speaker 2: and a full recovery is expected for the start of
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 3: They need an editor.
Speaker 2: Greg disastrous for the Browns, their playoff hopes for the
Speaker 2: first forty percent of this five unprecedented five year contract,
Speaker 2: and a little bit as as has been the case
Speaker 2: really throughout this saga around Watson, even just within the
Speaker 2: prism of this year alone, a little bit weird that
Speaker 2: statement anyway.
Speaker 6: The statement was weird all the insistence and conversation from
Speaker 6: all the reporters who were carrying the water for Watson
Speaker 6: last year, just pointing out how he played through pain
Speaker 6: and all the details of this injury, and really like
Speaker 6: loading it up to the point of like that we
Speaker 6: don't normally get in.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I just don't know why, because no one's doubting that
Speaker 6: he's hurt, No one would doubt that he wants to
Speaker 6: play football and that this injury is a real thing.
Speaker 6: But it just felt like it's it's pushing this whole
Speaker 6: explanation out there because I think there's some sensitivity to
Speaker 6: what happened over the last month when he was off
Speaker 6: and on the field in terms of his injury. And
Speaker 6: there's so much sensitivity that you hear it from the reporters,
Speaker 6: you hear it from Andrew Barry, you hear in the statement,
Speaker 6: and it all doesn't matter because you feel for this
Speaker 6: team and it's obviously an unfortunate, you know, turn for
Speaker 6: Watson himself, who can't stay on the field, whether it's
Speaker 6: because of you know, his sexual assault or whether it's
Speaker 6: because of injuries. He hasn't been able to play for
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Browns and They're stuck in a really tough
Speaker 6: spot where they have the best defense in the league
Speaker 6: in my mind, and an offense that's overcome a lot
Speaker 6: of injuries, and I just don't see like that they
Speaker 6: have that much of a future at six and three
Speaker 6: ruins a great season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's such a bummer because that division is so good,
Speaker 7: and even with the Bengals at whatever they are right
Speaker 7: now approaching five and five, which feels weird and outside
Speaker 7: of the playoff picture in general, but it's just such
Speaker 7: a competitive division and we knew down the stretch that
Speaker 7: all of the teams within that division would be beating
Speaker 7: each other up. And whatever you think about the Steelers,
Speaker 7: if you buy into them, are not Like now, the
Speaker 7: Browns are essentially mirroring the Steelers because they have a
Speaker 7: good defense and the offense is not going to be
Speaker 7: what's winning them games.
Speaker 8: And well it wasn't to begin with Watson Sharmerfield.
Speaker 7: As you said, They've overcome a lot throughout the season
Speaker 7: thus far, and now they face the Steelers coming up
Speaker 7: on Sunday. Both teams are six and three and a
Speaker 7: half game behind the Ravens and they have Doyle Thompson,
Speaker 7: Robinson starting and after that.
Speaker 3: It'll be PJ. Walker.
Speaker 7: So it is just such a bummer because Jim Jim
Speaker 7: Schwartz came in and did such a good job with
Speaker 7: this defense and Miles Garrett is having a Defensive Player
Speaker 7: of the Year type season and usually those awards are
Speaker 7: given out to teams that.
Speaker 3: Make it very far. And I don't know what happens
Speaker 3: from here on out now for.
Speaker 6: The Browns, the decision to start DTR is pretty surprising. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and compelling. He struggled big time in that one start
Speaker 6: he had. I just think it's it was a compelling
Speaker 6: decision to make after how much he struggled in that
Speaker 6: was a lot about PJ Walker also fair And look,
Speaker 6: their season's not over. They they've won games with PJ Walker,
Speaker 6: They've beaten good teams with PJ Walker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not they're done though. They're not gonna win
Speaker 2: a super Bowl. They thought they probably could with Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson if he was healthy. It's a they don't have
Speaker 2: Nick Chubb of course, who had a second knee surgery
Speaker 2: this week.
Speaker 8: And they could make the playoffs though, And sure, and.
Speaker 2: We'll get into there's some AFC talk. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about later in the show. They're a major sliding
Speaker 2: hold on that major She's gonna share us some more,
Speaker 2: give us a little more detail on the Brown statement
Speaker 2: in a moment, but a major turns out. And who
Speaker 2: would have ever predicted a major sliding doors moment of
Speaker 2: the NFL season now is at the eve of end
Speaker 2: of training camp sending Joshua Dobbs out of that building
Speaker 2: to the Cardinals for like a Day three draft pick.
Speaker 2: They would have had a really interesting backup and they
Speaker 2: and they moved him because they thought they were set
Speaker 2: at the position and they are not set at the position.
Speaker 1: Here's de shann Watson.
Speaker 2: By the way, some of the reporting out there that
Speaker 2: felt like a little like eyebrow askew, almost melodramatic. Here's
Speaker 2: a report from our own Tom Pellisero. The doctors were
Speaker 2: clear to Deshaun Watson if he were to get hit
Speaker 2: again in the same spot, the shoulder.
Speaker 1: Could fall apart.
Speaker 2: Okay, here is here is Deshaun Watson himself speaking to
Speaker 2: the media.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm still in disbelieve. I'm still I said, just
Speaker 5: trying to process all the information that I've I've been
Speaker 5: getting since last night.
Speaker 1: It's tough.
Speaker 5: You know, I've you know, I felt like we were
Speaker 5: turning the corner to really make a run. And you know,
Speaker 5: I still believe we still will, you know, with the
Speaker 5: guys in this locker room. You know, I just wanted
Speaker 5: to be physically a part of it on the field
Speaker 5: with those guys. And you know, six weeks I was
Speaker 5: down and try to come back, and the two weeks later,
Speaker 5: you know, back at it again. So yes, it is
Speaker 5: tough to try to, you know, wrap everything around my
Speaker 5: head right now.
Speaker 2: Here's here's who I feel the worst about is for
Speaker 2: Browns fans because I can relate to this and it's
Speaker 2: like you, every time it feels like something good is happening,
Speaker 2: something terrible happens. And they and Browns fans got pulled
Speaker 2: into this whole Watson saga.
Speaker 1: They didn't have any control over that.
Speaker 2: And they have this incredible win over the Ravens where
Speaker 2: they come back and it's this hated team from Baltimore
Speaker 2: that took the original Browns and you don't even get
Speaker 2: to savor that and look ahead, all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you get this news on Watson. So it's a it's
Speaker 2: a real bummer for Cleveland. A franchise that is probably
Speaker 2: just like what did we do in another life?
Speaker 6: Right, and in Miles Garrett and Dalvin Thomlinson and zidarias
Speaker 6: certain you don't have to have been there a long
Speaker 6: time Denz Award like those guys. This was I think
Speaker 6: the best Browns team we've seen. I know that the
Speaker 6: offense was better in that one year with Baker, but
Speaker 6: this had a chance and we saw it in the
Speaker 6: second half. And Browns fans are going to be able
Speaker 6: to hold on to that second half of that game
Speaker 6: where Watson hit those passes, But even then it was
Speaker 6: more about these schemed up, very Baker like throws, quick
Speaker 6: throws to guy that we're open. Stefanski I think was
Speaker 6: doing a great coaching job. Their offensive line, who was
Speaker 6: really injured, is playing well too, And you still don't
Speaker 6: know what you have in Watson. And here's the thing
Speaker 6: with how Watson's played this year's I'm already tired of
Speaker 6: how it's going to be like legislated over the offseason
Speaker 6: and stuff, because it was mediocre in the last two
Speaker 6: weeks were there were definitely signs of life over the
Speaker 6: last two weeks for PFF had him grad as the
Speaker 6: number sixteen quarterback out of thirty four qualifiers, which was
Speaker 6: an upgrade.
Speaker 8: Like, he looked better.
Speaker 6: He had some good moments, some good deep throws two
Speaker 6: weeks ago, certainly made the winning plays that he needed to.
Speaker 6: But on balance, he started almost a full season for
Speaker 6: the Browns now thirteen games, and he's been mediocre at best.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the injury is really important to clock two
Speaker 6: because I think the Browns fans will think, like, Okay, well,
Speaker 6: we'll get him back. He's guaranteed over sixty million dollars
Speaker 6: the next three years or whatever guaranteed each of those years.
Speaker 6: He's our quarterback, and he will be fine. But they
Speaker 6: would have never made this trade with the information that
Speaker 6: they have now. Number one, that he was going to
Speaker 6: miss as much time as he did last year, and
Speaker 6: number two that he's now coming off a serious shoulder injury.
Speaker 6: So there are legitimate concerns that A he wasn't the
Speaker 6: same player to begin with, and b he's now coming
Speaker 6: off of a serious injury and he's has, you know,
Speaker 6: the best contract in the history of the sport, way
Speaker 6: less flexible than.
Speaker 8: A Mahomes or Josh Allen or any of those guys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's interesting that the Browns. They traded Josh
Speaker 7: Dobbs to the Cardinals, and now look what Josh Dobbs
Speaker 7: is doing for the Vikings. So they could have been
Speaker 7: in the situation where Josh Dobbs could be started.
Speaker 6: They could have last week though, And I never mentioned
Speaker 6: on this show, or maybe I did, I can't remember,
Speaker 6: but Dobb said on his own podcast, he has a podcast, by.
Speaker 8: The way, a guy guy.
Speaker 6: He's got a podcast with Tray Smith, who's an offensive
Speaker 6: lineman on the Chiefs R. It's interesting, and on that
Speaker 6: podcast he mentioned right after Jonathan Gannon, the Cardinals told
Speaker 6: him that he wasn't going to be traded, that almost
Speaker 6: immediately afterwards, his agent said, you're going to be traded.
Speaker 6: It was that money they get in lie to you basically,
Speaker 6: and you're going to be traded, and this is last
Speaker 6: week to the Vikings or the Browns, and so that
Speaker 6: the Browns. I don't you can't know, but you would
Speaker 6: think that the agent at that point knew there was
Speaker 6: some level of interest from the Browns and potentially bringing
Speaker 6: him back.
Speaker 8: That didn't happen. And it's just a funny.
Speaker 1: It's crazy initiative, Greg, where you listening to the Josh
Speaker 1: Dobbs and Chiefs Lineman podcast.
Speaker 8: No, but they it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 6: It was tweet It was tweeted out last Friday, and
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 8: I did listen to it to see what was going on.
Speaker 2: Kevin Cole, who is uh Kevin Cobb, formerly formerly a
Speaker 2: PFF now with unexpected Points, had this tweet for twelve
Speaker 2: games of bottom ten QB played. The Browns have already
Speaker 2: paid to Sean Watson over ninety million dollars as they
Speaker 2: owe him another fully guaranteed forty six million per year
Speaker 2: through twenty twenty six, and his cap hit the next
Speaker 2: three seasons is sixty four million.
Speaker 8: Sorry I should have said, yeah, that was the cap hit.
Speaker 1: That was six.
Speaker 7: Also, just wanted to add a little context to the
Speaker 7: displaced fracture and is right glenoid.
Speaker 1: Give me a little glenoid heat.
Speaker 3: So just a quick Google search.
Speaker 1: Right, already knows it, but you tell the people.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he took the initiative already to google it. The
Speaker 7: glenoid cavity is a shallow oceous element that is structurally
Speaker 7: deepened by fibro cartilagenous rim.
Speaker 1: Pretty good.
Speaker 3: The glenoid lab room that spans.
Speaker 7: The oseous periphery of the vault.
Speaker 3: That's a sentence. That's just one sentence.
Speaker 7: So I could go on, but I won't have no idea.
Speaker 6: I'm not giving up on this Browns team. I still
Speaker 6: think they could win when they could. I think they
Speaker 6: could hold that thought for later because it connects to
Speaker 6: something that I agree with. But it's a crusher, you know,
Speaker 6: A crusher also for Ken Dorsey, who took over for
Speaker 6: Brian Dable as the offensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 6: Probably one of the best jobs in the sport from
Speaker 6: that position because of Josh Allen and the amount of
Speaker 6: talent on that team and a real springboard like for
Speaker 6: it was for Dable for Dorsey. Unfortunately, it did not
Speaker 6: work out that way. The Bills, after a bitterly disappointing
Speaker 6: Monday night loss to the Broncos, which we Greg and
Speaker 6: I talked about in depth on our previous show, fired
Speaker 6: Dorsey on Tuesday. The team announced quarterbacks coach Joe Brady
Speaker 6: will take over as the interim oc.
Speaker 1: Here Is McDermott on the decision.
Speaker 6: I just felt like it was it was time for change.
Speaker 6: You know, we need to be a confident offensive football
Speaker 6: team and find consistent production. And that's really where it.
Speaker 1: Came down to Conn.
Speaker 2: Here's what It's a little bit weird about this a lot.
Speaker 2: And maybe Dorsey didn't gail with Allan and the offense
Speaker 2: the way Dable did. Okay, and that's fine. There are
Speaker 2: a lot of factors. It's not just the coach. And
Speaker 2: he was the scheme choice very close. Yes, he already
Speaker 2: loved the move to promote him. The reason they blew
Speaker 2: that game on Monday had nothing to do, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: with the scheme. It was sloppy ball handling. It was
Speaker 2: a penalty at the end of the game. It was
Speaker 2: in general, the skill players at running back and at
Speaker 2: quarterback not getting the job done. And it's weird to
Speaker 2: me that and I understand why, because this is how
Speaker 2: the sport works. You find someone to pin it on
Speaker 2: and then you try to pivot and get some new
Speaker 2: momentum in your season. But it does it rings untrue
Speaker 2: firing them off this game when I don't think it
Speaker 2: was the scheme that sunk the Bills. In fact, they
Speaker 2: had two like incredibly impressive drives in this game that
Speaker 2: reminded you that that's in them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I wonder to myself if there weren't too
Speaker 7: many men on the field at the end of that
Speaker 7: game and the Bills came away with a win.
Speaker 3: Ken Dorsey still has a job.
Speaker 7: I think last year he led this offense, they were
Speaker 7: the second ranked in total offense and points per game,
Speaker 7: Like he still has the ability to do that. But
Speaker 7: they just haven't been able to put it all together.
Speaker 7: And obviously this was there's a discipline thing with the
Speaker 7: bad decisions and the turnovers and the too many men
Speaker 7: on the field at the end, but this clearly is
Speaker 7: it has been a slow burn because there's no other
Speaker 7: reason that this should have happened for Ken Dorsey, but.
Speaker 3: They needed a fall guy. They needed to blame someone.
Speaker 7: These the starts for the offense for the Bills have
Speaker 7: been really slow this season. There are points when you
Speaker 7: look at I kind of think of the Bills from
Speaker 7: Week one to week five, because Week five is when
Speaker 7: I believe Trea Davius White went down, and then Week
Speaker 7: six was when they were in London and lost Matt
Speaker 7: Milano and Daikwon Jones, and so they are a different
Speaker 7: team since then with the injuries, and so I think
Speaker 7: since Week five they're points per game in the first
Speaker 7: half or almost fifty percent fewer.
Speaker 3: And it's just the offense. Does it looks disjointed?
Speaker 7: You have Trayvon Diggs, Stefan's brother, tweeting stuff about it.
Speaker 3: It's Josh Allen's fault.
Speaker 1: Oh pipe down treamon I use.
Speaker 7: But clearly he's hearing stuff from Stephan And we know
Speaker 7: that all of the things that happened in last year,
Speaker 7: the frustration with Stefan Diggs when he left that playoff game,
Speaker 7: walked out.
Speaker 3: Of the locker room.
Speaker 7: They had to come and bring them back in because
Speaker 7: McDermott wanted to address the team like it's just it's
Speaker 7: not They're not a great team right now.
Speaker 8: McDermott just seems so tight, you know.
Speaker 6: And he was telegraphing this a little bit by down
Speaker 6: talking Dorsey, you know, politely publicly before this week that
Speaker 6: he wasn't happy, like that they needed to run the
Speaker 6: ball more. But like it is something where it feels
Speaker 6: like they are a disaster. But the numbers, for instance,
Speaker 6: would completely disagree that they're literally first in the NFL
Speaker 6: still in success rate like third and DVOA third, n
Speaker 6: EPA per play. They just turned the third red zone efficiency.
Speaker 6: They just turned the ball over like crazy, and it's
Speaker 6: not like he's calling the fumble play.
Speaker 2: A lot of the like Allan turnovers are on bad
Speaker 2: decisions by the quarterback rather than scheme deficient.
Speaker 6: Even those, I feel like they've been in such big
Speaker 6: spots that there hasn't been that many. It'll you'll have
Speaker 6: nights like the other night which are mystifying where Gabe
Speaker 6: Davis has a drop that's an interception. Uh, and then
Speaker 6: like Alan just drops the ball while he's handing it
Speaker 6: to the running back. Like there's been like a weird
Speaker 6: amount of like those like mystifying type of plays.
Speaker 2: The throw by Allan at the end of the first
Speaker 2: half just a terrible decision.
Speaker 9: He had an interception that just got called back because
Speaker 9: the guy's toe was on the line, but had a
Speaker 9: double interception.
Speaker 6: Here's the thing, though, when I thought now that we've
Speaker 6: had a day to think about it, Ken Dorsey has
Speaker 6: been in that building for five years. He was a
Speaker 6: QB coach. Josh Allen's worked with him that long. Sean
Speaker 6: McDermott hired him. He's worked with him that long. Like
Speaker 6: these are humans that are interacting on a like very
Speaker 6: intense le on a day to day basis at a
Speaker 6: very high stress job. And I think that's a lot
Speaker 6: of times more of the answer with stuff like this
Speaker 6: than anything that would show up in DVOA. That these
Speaker 6: these two humans, and it's McDermott's call humans. He didn't
Speaker 6: want to work with Ken Dorsey anymore, he told us,
Speaker 6: because he fired him. He just didn't want to work
Speaker 6: with him. I don't know what the reason, Like, there
Speaker 6: could be a myriad of not personal, but like reasons
Speaker 6: that don't show up in just like how he's calling
Speaker 6: the places. There could be a lot of reasons for that.
Speaker 6: I don't know what they are. But McDermott wanted him gone,
Speaker 6: Like maybe he didn't want to hire him in the
Speaker 6: first place. The idea was Josh Allen kind of pushed that,
Speaker 6: you know, very hard, that that was his pick. He
Speaker 6: really wanted to keep be good, to be a guy
Speaker 6: for whatever reason. Like they know each other about as
Speaker 6: well as as you could, you know, being in that
Speaker 6: building that long together, and he just he didn't want
Speaker 6: him anymore. He had another guy, Joe Brady, that he
Speaker 6: wanted more for whatever reason.
Speaker 8: And he knows maybe a little like Frank Rag.
Speaker 6: We talked about the other night, like, I don't know
Speaker 6: if I feel that comfortable my job, Sean McDermott, even
Speaker 6: though I got an extension, and I really feel strongly
Speaker 6: I want to go out this way or not go.
Speaker 8: Out at all.
Speaker 7: I talked to Omar Ruiz after the game because he
Speaker 7: was up there for it, and he said after the
Speaker 7: game that Ken Dorsey he saw him walking out of
Speaker 7: the building, and that he looked so despondent and disheveled,
Speaker 7: and that Omar just kind of knew at that point
Speaker 7: that something was up interesting.
Speaker 1: I bet you didn't know that. Greg.
Speaker 6: Actually I have Me and Omar were on a conference
Speaker 6: call this morning, a debrief.
Speaker 3: Initiative Command Center.
Speaker 8: I do it with all the reporters.
Speaker 1: Just said that I like minority report.
Speaker 6: I've actually got to go soon. I've got Stacy Dale's
Speaker 6: ten minutes.
Speaker 2: All right, stay right there, Let's take a break, and
Speaker 2: then we will talk about what you people.
Speaker 1: Do not realize. All right, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, everyone thinks they know what's going on
Speaker 2: in our league, but you want to know the truth.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know. A lot of people
Speaker 2: think they know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Greg Okay, that's fired. But Colleen, they don't uh uh no, and.
Speaker 3: That's why we're providing a service.
Speaker 1: Would you like to kick off this segment called what
Speaker 1: you people don't Realize?
Speaker 3: I would love to thank you very much. All right.
Speaker 3: So everyone's talking about c J.
Speaker 7: Stroud right now and rightfully so he's getting a ton
Speaker 7: of hype and he deserves it all. But what you
Speaker 7: people don't realize is how impressive Sam Howell has been
Speaker 7: c J. Stroud. Let's just talk about it if we
Speaker 7: compare their numbers.
Speaker 8: So c J.
Speaker 7: Stroud twenty two years old at this point, he's passed
Speaker 7: for two thousand and six hundred yards, fifteen touchdowns, is
Speaker 7: one fourth quarter comeback, and two game winning drives.
Speaker 3: Incredible. He's been awesome.
Speaker 7: He's even been thrown into not just Offensive Rookie of
Speaker 7: the Year, but MVP. Sam Howell one year older, twenty
Speaker 7: three years old, he's leading the league with twenty eight
Speaker 7: hundred yards, seventeen touchdowns, two fourth quarter comebacks, two game
Speaker 7: winning drives, and he's doing it behind the worst offensive
Speaker 7: line in all of football. He was a fifth round
Speaker 7: pick last year. I consider this season his actual rookie year.
Speaker 7: So if we're talking about rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Made one start last year in Week eighteen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it doesn't really count. And in the off season
Speaker 7: I felt like everyone was like Sam Howell, like what
Speaker 7: what are we doing here? And clearly they saw this talent.
Speaker 7: Now the team isn't really going anywhere this season, but
Speaker 7: they have a nice piece at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: I think about what Ron Rivera said right before the
Speaker 2: season started, talked about it on the show. I remember
Speaker 2: they said, if I would have realized what we actually
Speaker 2: had on our hands with Sam Howe last season, he
Speaker 2: would have been playing way before he did. And then,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes a lot of times, almost all the time,
Speaker 2: let's be honest, that's coach speak and tollow, and then
Speaker 2: the player comes out and he plays like you know,
Speaker 2: Desmond Ritter or one hundred other kind of mid round
Speaker 2: or late round draft picks that teams pump up and
Speaker 2: then reality strikes. But in this case, Gregy how has
Speaker 2: gone out there, and Connie's right, I don't think people
Speaker 2: have been tracking because Washington just kind of lays in
Speaker 2: the weeds as an organization, and they've on balance had
Speaker 2: a very typical Washington year where they're just kind of
Speaker 2: in the middle. Not bad, not good, but he has
Speaker 2: been very productive in counting stats are counting stats, and
Speaker 2: they don't like. For instance, the game winning drives for
Speaker 2: Stroud are way more memorable and impactful than Howels, which
Speaker 2: I don't even recall at the top of my head.
Speaker 2: And yet, and yet he needs to be credited and
Speaker 2: observed in a way that's way more fawning and closer
Speaker 2: to Stroud, closer, closer, not at the same level.
Speaker 8: Right, Okay, and he did have that year.
Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying, this is his rookie year,
Speaker 6: but I think it's a big advantage to have that
Speaker 6: year going through an NFL season and learning how to
Speaker 6: be a pro and all that stuff.
Speaker 8: But you're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: He leads the NFL in plenty of stats because he
Speaker 6: leads the NFL in attempts. And you can say, okay,
Speaker 6: that's why he leads the NFL in yards. Yeah, but
Speaker 6: he's also leading the league in attempts by seventy so
Speaker 6: they put a ton and now part of that is
Speaker 6: another by yet, but even attempts per game, he's well
Speaker 6: ahead of anyone else. The next closest guys are Allen
Speaker 6: and Burrow and Mahomes. It's like guys you can build
Speaker 6: an offense around. So they've put a lot on his plate,
Speaker 6: and it's led to some mistakes, no doubt, but he's
Speaker 6: also handled it really well. Or a second year player,
Speaker 6: he is the leader according to PFF in big time
Speaker 6: throws this season Wow. And he's also right up there
Speaker 6: in turnover worthy plays. I think he's he's fifth, So
Speaker 6: that makes sense to me too, Like he's made some
Speaker 6: big mistakes, but he can play, man, I'm with you.
Speaker 6: Not not enough people have been really recognizing that at
Speaker 6: the least he's going to be part of this show.
Speaker 6: Dan god willing for us the next you know, because
Speaker 6: you know me save it, save it.
Speaker 8: But me and god In I haven't. I haven't believed
Speaker 8: in him, but he believes in me.
Speaker 6: Service He's going to be in this show for the
Speaker 6: next eight to ten years. I just feel like it,
Speaker 6: like we're like, I don't know what team, I don't
Speaker 6: know how he's gonna be exactly, but he's just gonna be.
Speaker 2: And even on that backhanded compliment that the show kind
Speaker 2: of gives out, it's like an at in trope. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: he's played. He's gonna be in the league for a
Speaker 2: bunch of years as a backup. It's like no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: he is I'll.
Speaker 6: Call it a mainstream starter, more exciting Tannehill, but someone
Speaker 6: that's just Tannehill's been in the mix the whole time.
Speaker 7: And he's been sacked forty seven times this season. Then
Speaker 7: it's not even close too. The next most sacked quarterback
Speaker 7: is Zach Wilson at thirty three.
Speaker 2: He needs and that's partly or even mainly on how
Speaker 2: like he has to clean that up too, right, but
Speaker 2: because he's going to get himself hurt, Like that's the thing.
Speaker 2: And if he gets one more hit, his shoulder will
Speaker 2: actually explode and go into outer space, says the reporting.
Speaker 8: And he's been.
Speaker 6: Improving I think the last two weeks against the Patriots,
Speaker 6: in actually three weeks Eagles, Patriots, Seahawks, he's played smarter.
Speaker 6: So that's good, you know, like you said, a first
Speaker 6: time starter. I think he's showing progress as he goes.
Speaker 6: He's getting better, all right, good start, good job calling.
Speaker 6: Way to get the segment off on the right.
Speaker 8: You understood the assignment.
Speaker 7: Guess what I actually I'm making strides.
Speaker 2: I think last time we did a segment with you, you
Speaker 2: did something that was kind of mathematically impossible when you
Speaker 2: forked an entire division.
Speaker 1: So where this is time progress.
Speaker 6: It's held up pretty well. I'm I'm ready to fork
Speaker 6: the NFC South.
Speaker 2: Well, we can't, though, somebody will be in the playoffs
Speaker 2: unless we can push a rule through.
Speaker 3: I'm an innovator.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 2: I've always thought that, all right, But you guys are
Speaker 2: in over your heads because what you both in here
Speaker 2: and out there. People don't realize there's no good teams
Speaker 2: in the AFC.
Speaker 1: Zero. Okay, I want you to pull up.
Speaker 8: This is a gallaxy pull up. Don't realize this.
Speaker 2: Pull up the conference standings and just start throwing throw
Speaker 2: out some teams.
Speaker 1: Each of you.
Speaker 2: Throw out a team, Go ahead, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: you for each team you throw out, three word explanation
Speaker 2: that explains why they're actually not good.
Speaker 6: The defending Super Bowl champion with the defending MVP Kansas
Speaker 6: City Chiefs three words.
Speaker 2: Taylor and Jackson, as in Taylor Swift and Jackson Mahomes
Speaker 2: upgrades over their current skill players.
Speaker 1: Next, well, okay, talk Ravens. Three words.
Speaker 6: Even Greg knows what else I don't know, just to
Speaker 6: you know, keep going, just to put it, you know,
Speaker 6: a nice meatball over the plate here.
Speaker 1: How about the Buffalo Bills twelve seconds curse?
Speaker 3: Oh Jaguars, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, What else you got?
Speaker 8: Now you're making Eric work harder?
Speaker 1: Keep going? What do you got?
Speaker 3: Texans?
Speaker 1: Texans nice recency bias?
Speaker 8: What else? Dolphins?
Speaker 1: Dolphins, classic bully behavior.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, your team that you promised you would lock
Speaker 6: up every week despite them giving you two lock losses
Speaker 6: in a row, one when you picked against one when
Speaker 6: you picked for him.
Speaker 8: The Cincinnati Bengals, they keep losing. Okay, well that's Dolphins, Okay,
Speaker 8: I said Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steelers smoking mirrors, Browns, Dorian Thompson, Robinson through Dolphins.
Speaker 1: Uh, classic bully behavior.
Speaker 2: Everything They beat up on the fact, hit on the
Speaker 2: playground and then get pummeled by the strong.
Speaker 6: I mean, did you even I wonder if you even
Speaker 6: wrote down quarterbout Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1: Uh? No, they're not even on They're not even on
Speaker 1: this list.
Speaker 8: All right, it's got to be the Chargers year.
Speaker 6: I hear what you're saying, like everyone's got flaws. But
Speaker 6: there was there was a podcast we did around week
Speaker 6: nine or ten last year, where the title for the
Speaker 6: recap was week like Week nine recap, Are there any
Speaker 6: good teams? And it's like this happens in the middle
Speaker 6: of this, But this year's teams have flaws.
Speaker 8: And then by the end of the year, those teams.
Speaker 2: Connecting to like the Browns talk from earlier in the show,
Speaker 2: I think the Browns obviously took a fatal blow to
Speaker 2: their Super Bowl hopes with the news today, but I
Speaker 2: think because of the nature of the conference, yes, there's
Speaker 2: absolutely a path to ten wins, and there's a path
Speaker 2: to making a little noise in the playoff, and there
Speaker 2: is a path to hope because this is a conference
Speaker 2: that just does not have any teams where I look
Speaker 2: at and I go, okay, I absolutely trust you. The
Speaker 2: Chiefs are the closest one because of their pedigree, But
Speaker 2: all the data that's staring us in the face and
Speaker 2: the eye test that's staring back at us when we
Speaker 2: watch their offense tells us they're trying to figure things
Speaker 2: out and haven't been able to in half a season.
Speaker 7: I think that's what makes it more exciting this year,
Speaker 7: that all of the parody and because it doesn't seem
Speaker 7: like there is a specific top tier. I mean, I
Speaker 7: think that the Chiefs and the Ravens are still up there,
Speaker 7: but there's not like some significant drop off because everyone
Speaker 7: has had these like insane games, terrible losses, like weird upsets.
Speaker 7: And I was actually thinking about you this morning, about
Speaker 7: the AFC and a lot thinking about you. I was
Speaker 7: thinking about how happy you must be that you're not
Speaker 7: doing power rankings this year.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even imagine.
Speaker 2: Ok and you know, and just to elaborate, even Greg
Speaker 2: knows for the Ravens, you know what's going to happen
Speaker 2: to them. They're gonna get picked off in the playoffs
Speaker 2: in a horrific.
Speaker 8: Ways, just gonna I think this may be their year.
Speaker 1: Hey, Eric, doc like log this.
Speaker 2: So when they have an almost like unbelievable playoff loss
Speaker 2: where they just like kick.
Speaker 8: Away, I mean that happens to every team.
Speaker 2: A specific type of loss, a raven Z loss.
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, go ahead, I mean you're you're talking
Speaker 6: about the AFC.
Speaker 8: Uh huh. But what you Philadelphia people.
Speaker 3: This is a shot from early.
Speaker 2: You came back early and this is Greg movie thoughout
Speaker 2: it and he said, Okay, now I'm coming.
Speaker 6: I've been picking this team every week since the start
Speaker 6: of last season. But what I've started to realize, and
Speaker 6: what you you know, Philandering fanny pack wear, oh the
Speaker 6: diagonal fan boneheads don't realize is that the Eagles defense,
Speaker 6: especially their cornerbacks, are a problem. That they're not even
Speaker 6: good right now. The ones that are healthy are not
Speaker 6: playing well. They are nineteenth overall in EPA this year.
Speaker 6: Their defense, they are twenty second in past defense according
Speaker 6: to DVOA. And you say, oh, they're injured in the middle.
Speaker 6: Last year went to the PFF Ringings. Their top three cornerbacks,
Speaker 6: Slay Bradbury of Anti Maddox who's out for the year,
Speaker 6: all top thirty out of the qualifiers. It was like,
Speaker 6: that's side of one hundred and fifty. This year, Slay,
Speaker 6: he's been okay, fifty ninth. That's your lead, Bradbury. We
Speaker 6: gave him a ton of money. He hasn't exactly shaken
Speaker 6: off that penalty had in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8: He's been struggling eighty seventh.
Speaker 6: Anyone else on the list that you put in the
Speaker 6: middle that they've tried out, Josh job or Eli Rix
Speaker 6: or whoever has been out there. Bradley Roby off the
Speaker 6: street they're just buried. They're so low they basically don't compute.
Speaker 6: But they're at the very bottom. They can't cover right
Speaker 6: now on the outside, and you don't realize it.
Speaker 3: Connie, are you picking against the Eagles this week?
Speaker 6: I am, Wowsie, I am. I mean they're playing the
Speaker 6: Chiefs on the run.
Speaker 1: I don't remember you doing that.
Speaker 6: I have not picked against the Chiefs, I mean against
Speaker 6: the Eagles, and I still think they can win the
Speaker 6: Super Bowl. But this defense, I just think they haven't
Speaker 6: played the right opponent to like expose it necessarily. But
Speaker 6: the defense has been it's left me wanting, especially the
Speaker 6: past defense you want.
Speaker 7: I don't love this vibe, but I see it. I
Speaker 7: understand it. Like they also have a new defensive coordinator
Speaker 7: this year. I don't know if that has anything to
Speaker 7: do with it, but you're right, the back end has
Speaker 7: not been as good. They still have a great pass rush. Yeah,
Speaker 7: looking at the sacks that they have so far the season.
Speaker 7: I know it's not all about sacks, but they have
Speaker 7: thirty sacks so far the.
Speaker 3: Season through nine games. Last year they had twenty nine.
Speaker 6: It's everything else, even the linebackers who actually grade out
Speaker 6: decently well and I think they've been coached up pretty
Speaker 6: well this year. They're not as good as the linebackers
Speaker 6: from a year ago edwards, And so I'm gonna let's
Speaker 6: look at the ages here.
Speaker 8: That's what I want to do, all right.
Speaker 6: Kevin Bayard born a long time ago, eighteen seven. Darius
Speaker 6: Slay born in ninety one, too long ago, thirty two
Speaker 6: years old. James Bradbury, if you were born when I
Speaker 6: was in high school, Uh, it's a problem. Ninety three,
Speaker 6: thirty years old. Kevin Bayard, he is in his thirties.
Speaker 6: I'm just it's just like an aging. They're all kind
Speaker 6: of getting worse at the same time.
Speaker 7: Oh God, and the Chiefs defense is really good right now.
Speaker 7: So I don't love that. But we'll talk about that, serio.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I thought I was stepping on it,
Speaker 6: and this was the one I felt strongest.
Speaker 2: And we all know the Eagles nearly won and last
Speaker 2: year's Super Bowl or bust. And in terms of the
Speaker 2: top offenses in football, you got the Dolphins in the AFC,
Speaker 2: but then you got the Cowboys, you got Detroit, you
Speaker 2: got San Francisco. You got to get through the playoffs
Speaker 2: and if you have some of these high octane passing games.
Speaker 1: Be careful, Connie, careful.
Speaker 3: I'm ready for me.
Speaker 1: Be careful. Okay, you're up, give us another one.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's see here. I didn't I thought you aren't?
Speaker 8: You up?
Speaker 1: I go second? You want me to go?
Speaker 8: They always go back? Is that a thing?
Speaker 1: Just mixing it up?
Speaker 3: Okay, here we.
Speaker 1: Go, start talking.
Speaker 2: People are listening, tens of thousands I have.
Speaker 3: I have a few different ones.
Speaker 7: But I what you people don't realize, and maybe maybe
Speaker 7: some do, but at this point, what you people don't
Speaker 7: realize is how close the Bengals are to actually missing
Speaker 7: the playoffs.
Speaker 3: They right now are on the outside looking in.
Speaker 7: They lost their head to head against all three a
Speaker 7: f C wild card teams that right now, and then
Speaker 7: they're ozero and two in the division. They're one and
Speaker 7: four in the conference, and they have the most difficult
Speaker 7: remaining strength of schedule in the entire.
Speaker 1: League, really even more than the Bills. Yeah, wow, that
Speaker 1: is well.
Speaker 8: They played execation. I didn't realize all that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had a bunch you could have chosen, and
Speaker 2: they all would have been inferior to that one.
Speaker 1: So you you've done it.
Speaker 3: You know what assignment understood.
Speaker 6: I did see ESPN sent out that thing where you
Speaker 6: have playoff odds, right, and they lowered the Browns playoff
Speaker 6: odds as of you know, the Watson injury, and they
Speaker 6: were showing how other teams increased. Yeah, and it showed
Speaker 6: how the Bengals increased from like thirty three to thirty
Speaker 6: six percent, and I was.
Speaker 1: Like one and three chicks. What Now.
Speaker 8: Part of that is.
Speaker 6: They're they're they're baking in some of the bad offensive
Speaker 6: stats that happened when Burrow was injured. So I don't
Speaker 6: think that's totally accurate. But you know, they're an underdog
Speaker 6: this week, and then they would be five and five.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing. It's a great one, Connie.
Speaker 2: They put themselves in a hole and it wasn't all
Speaker 2: their fault. The quarterback was not healthy. But when you
Speaker 2: lose three or four to start the season, you got
Speaker 2: a lot of work to do. And they won four
Speaker 2: in a row. But that was a very I mean
Speaker 2: that drop. I want to talk about sliding doors, the
Speaker 2: Boyd drop. We don't know if they would have hung
Speaker 2: on for the win, but if they missed the playoffs,
Speaker 2: remember that. And now a huge game on Thursday.
Speaker 3: I have I have something to say about the Tyler Boyd.
Speaker 1: Do you want to you want to save that for
Speaker 1: the preview?
Speaker 2: I will polster that one, ulster that one, because what
Speaker 2: you people don't realize and it's it astounds me that
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even think of this because you do this
Speaker 2: for a living, and it's like, don't you see anything
Speaker 2: besides what's right in front of you?
Speaker 1: Like how do I even work this way?
Speaker 2: We could be looking at a historic bloodbath on Black Monday.
Speaker 2: Here are here are coaches that you could you could
Speaker 2: say are in some level of peril. From incredible peril, two.
Speaker 8: Sneaky peril. Okay, I can't have a sight of peril.
Speaker 1: All right, and let's start with the name that already
Speaker 1: came up, Sean McDermott.
Speaker 6: Okay, I got it out, did sign an extension before
Speaker 6: the season.
Speaker 8: But a little bit of peril.
Speaker 1: Bob Sala, a little bit of peril, A little guye
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 8: I don't think that's keeping.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm hearing right now. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure about it.
Speaker 6: It's not just it's not just the coaches, you know,
Speaker 6: it's here we goes Okay, go ahead, families.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's it's ricky, But I don't care.
Speaker 6: Who's wanting to finish his second semester at Eric Tempos
Speaker 6: Lincoln Middle School.
Speaker 3: The contracts guaranteed, they're still getting paid.
Speaker 8: Sure, but they're gonna have to have the assistance. I
Speaker 8: think there's like I don't care.
Speaker 1: Bill Belicheck, okay, and we believe it.
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley, okay, Ron Rivera, Okay, Brian Able, I don't
Speaker 2: think so, but okay, you know sneaky peril, Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 2: Matt Eberflus, Dennis Allen, Todd Bowles, Arthur Smith, Frank Reich,
Speaker 2: NFC South clean sweep of hot butts, melting butts and
Speaker 2: the tired division melted down.
Speaker 8: Will win the division and then be safe.
Speaker 2: But yes, and I'll and I'll throw in the Cardinals
Speaker 2: head coach. No way, I don't trust the organization. How
Speaker 2: about that that's a lot of names, and that is
Speaker 2: thirteen coaches, and that it typically is between six and
Speaker 2: eight every year. That's thirteen and it would not surprise
Speaker 2: me if at least eight go and maybe double digits.
Speaker 6: And you're not even including McDaniels, who's already gone. And
Speaker 6: Pierce's Antonio Pierce, the entering coach, actually feels like he
Speaker 6: has a chance to win that die. But that could
Speaker 6: be another one that that changes hands again too.
Speaker 3: I saw this stat this morning.
Speaker 7: In their past twenty games that day, Ball and Reike
Speaker 7: have the same record four fifteen and one including the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's rough. Wait dable, Yeah.
Speaker 8: Because they and did last year poorly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of butter knifing that a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of stats to tell a.
Speaker 1: Story, tell your own story. But Dab did. Yeah, Dabel
Speaker 1: did have a great first year.
Speaker 2: In fact, he's the reigning coach of the year, so
Speaker 2: he's I would say, of the list of the ones
Speaker 2: I would say are the safest, I was gonna say McDermott,
Speaker 2: but they.
Speaker 1: Missed the playoffs.
Speaker 2: No, I think he's probably safe, but McDermott, Dabel, probably,
Speaker 2: Leaflorzo okay probably, and then gannon is is more just
Speaker 2: I think he's probably safe. But all those other guys,
Speaker 2: I think are they really need to.
Speaker 6: Not create And and you're right, there's always a surprise
Speaker 6: that you don't see coming that might not even be
Speaker 6: on that list, or maybe was one of the ones
Speaker 6: we just said we're safe.
Speaker 2: It makes a lot of sense, all right, uh, Greggy,
Speaker 2: And no, I don't endurese fired in any way. This
Speaker 2: is their livelihood, but this is our job and people
Speaker 2: should respect that as well.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And what people don't respect is sometimes the tape.
Speaker 6: They just get their takes from the takesman. I walked
Speaker 6: through the newsroom and I see ridiculous lower thirds on
Speaker 6: various takes shows. He's talking with just ridiculous things. I
Speaker 6: was thinking more Fox actually Fox Sports. There was one
Speaker 6: yesterday that said, like la Is Dashaun Watson's contract not
Speaker 6: a bad thing or so, it was something just stupid.
Speaker 8: I don't remember it was. It was a dumb thing,
Speaker 8: which day later doesn't look good.
Speaker 6: But what he's totally irrelevant, ignominious, ignoramus don't realize a
Speaker 6: lot with initiative, is that Jordan Love has been turning
Speaker 6: the corner the last couple weeks. I mean, this is
Speaker 6: not the largest hill that I'm gonna die on. It's
Speaker 6: a small hill, but it's the Jordan Love has improved
Speaker 6: over the last two weeks, and I hope it's a
Speaker 6: start of something. I think his two best games of
Speaker 6: the season have been in a row and This last one,
Speaker 6: in particular, was the Jordan Love I was hoping to
Speaker 6: see coming into the season, which is, yes, a couple
Speaker 6: plays you would have liked to talk to him about
Speaker 6: what were you thinking there? But also four to five
Speaker 6: beautiful big time throws. And it goes to show you
Speaker 6: when you get a little bit of pass protection, you
Speaker 6: can play football at a much higher level.
Speaker 8: And he's gotten protected the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: I think you've seen good decision making, good throws, and
Speaker 6: maybe it's not too late to turn this battleship around
Speaker 6: and have a positive first full season as a starter.
Speaker 6: Five big time throws last week, a lot of plays
Speaker 6: down the field. Sometimes his teammates left let him down
Speaker 6: a little bit, and I thought he played well week
Speaker 6: before too, So it's it's something.
Speaker 8: It's a start. But the people aren't watching them, Yeah,
Speaker 8: because they're telling.
Speaker 1: You, you know what, because the Packers are three and six.
Speaker 8: No, I get it. The book's been written on him,
Speaker 8: But this.
Speaker 2: Is what I should not be written on because he
Speaker 2: is you know, not even you know Sam Howell. We're
Speaker 2: talking about it is he should he be viewed as
Speaker 2: a rookie Jordan Love. This is his first real season,
Speaker 2: and and look at Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Look at Aaron Rodgers first year with the Packers.
Speaker 2: He started out with a lot of potential, obviously, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't winning MVPs immediately.
Speaker 1: It took years. It took a year for him to
Speaker 1: you know, cook and develop. So Packers fans aren't used
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're not used to the public's not used
Speaker 2: to the Packers being close to irrelevant before Thanksgiving. But
Speaker 2: they are on a whole different track right now, which
Speaker 2: is developing a young quarterback and there's growing pains there.
Speaker 7: I would love for Justin or for Jordan Love to
Speaker 7: be on the same page as Christian Watson again the season.
Speaker 7: It just feels like there's disconnect there. They're trying, it's
Speaker 7: just not from the end zone.
Speaker 6: I feel like playing with Aaron Rodgers, who was able
Speaker 6: to accentuate what Watson does well, is gonna make like
Speaker 6: how people look at the rest of Watson's time maybe unrealistic.
Speaker 6: Right now, You're right, he's not one of the best
Speaker 6: two or three ride receivers on that team.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: That was a good app I thought it was a
Speaker 2: good sag of what you people don't realize because I.
Speaker 8: Think we help people, we made them realize it.
Speaker 1: Great about that.
Speaker 2: Seg Let me hear the short Connie song again. It's
Speaker 2: got like a blink late nineties vibe.
Speaker 3: Maybe Fallout Boy Yellow Card right, Let me a little.
Speaker 1: A little less than Jake.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I I couldn't think of the name
Speaker 8: of it. Yeah, it's Colleen Wolf.
Speaker 10: This is when I was skateboarding, surfing, yeah, parasailing, hang gliding, skydiving,
Speaker 10: just all extreme.
Speaker 1: Sports the sea.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I could say, did you ever own a pair
Speaker 8: of airwalks?
Speaker 3: My god, I had a brown pair. Yes, I have
Speaker 3: like the bowling shoes, stuicy shirts.
Speaker 1: Giant pants. How big were the pants?
Speaker 3: They were huge.
Speaker 7: They were like James Harden a couple of years ago,
Speaker 7: if you remember when he showed up.
Speaker 2: At the game wearing We had our conversation about the
Speaker 2: the ruffians connected to your school, like they were called
Speaker 2: the skids as I brought up, you wore airwalks.
Speaker 1: If you were a skid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was friends with the skids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the skaters and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although putting the skaters in the same category as
Speaker 2: the skids is unfair. The skids were more like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna wear a Metallica shirt every day and throw snowballs
Speaker 2: at the underclassmen. Whereas the the skaters were more just like,
Speaker 2: you know what the skaters were doing. Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: less aggressive. Put it that way. They were a little
Speaker 2: more docile. For whatever reason, I don't know why.
Speaker 1: Colleens very docile.
Speaker 2: Let's get into the primetime games.
Speaker 8: We got two corkers, two of the games of the
Speaker 8: year so far.
Speaker 2: All right, let's start with a great one on Thursday
Speaker 2: Night football. We've been talking about Cincinnati and how close
Speaker 2: they are. Connie pointed out rightly to being in serious
Speaker 2: peril themselves of missing the playoffs, which would be, like
Speaker 2: the Bills, an absolute travesty for their fans, because this
Speaker 2: team is expected to go all the way by many,
Speaker 2: and yet here they are at five and four, coming
Speaker 2: off a crushing last second loss to the Texans, and
Speaker 2: now they get the Ravens at home. And Connie, this
Speaker 2: is on Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 1: You can watch it on Prime Video, but.
Speaker 2: Check out the NFL Network coverage all night that Connie anchors.
Speaker 2: The Ravens are coming off a crushing loss of their own.
Speaker 2: We mentioned it. The Browns knock them off in stunning fashion.
Speaker 2: So if you're the Bengals, like are you, does that
Speaker 2: make you more nervous or does that make you more confident?
Speaker 1: Thinking? Man, this team does seem to find a way
Speaker 1: to lose every once in a while.
Speaker 7: I just think that it's this game is our Thursday
Speaker 7: Night super Bowl.
Speaker 3: We have had so many games that you.
Speaker 7: Really I've worked so hard to sell and you know
Speaker 7: what the.
Speaker 6: Next game is though, it's Seahawks Cowboys. So that's actually
Speaker 6: a pretty good one too, not as good as this,
Speaker 6: but it's good.
Speaker 1: We needed a double palal cleanser after last.
Speaker 7: Thursday, last Thursday, the International Game, Monday Night, all of them.
Speaker 7: So but this is the stakes are through the absolute roof.
Speaker 7: It's the most competitive right now, toughest division in the NFL.
Speaker 7: With Deshaun Watson going down, that sort of changes things,
Speaker 7: but it's still super competitive and such a tight race.
Speaker 7: They're both super Bowl contenders, they're both coming off of losses.
Speaker 3: It's two musty quarterbacks.
Speaker 7: Both teams considered probably among the best in the league. Still,
Speaker 7: even with the Bengals struggles, so uh. The offensive coordinator
Speaker 7: for Cincinnati, Brian Callahan, he said that this our feels
Speaker 7: like a playoff game in November, and it really really does.
Speaker 3: There's so many different ways you could go with this.
Speaker 7: Joe Burrow, the two interceptions that he had against Houston
Speaker 7: were so Unburrow like because he never usually throws an
Speaker 7: interception that late in games, and he never he's really
Speaker 7: careful with picks.
Speaker 3: In the end zone. It usually never happens.
Speaker 7: So the overthrow to Drew Sample there was the easy
Speaker 7: interception in the end zone while he was scrambling around.
Speaker 7: But the only other he had, Let's see, he threw
Speaker 7: the one interception all of last season in the red
Speaker 7: zone and the two that he had this year. The
Speaker 7: first one came against Baltimore in Week two. So these teams,
Speaker 7: obviously they play each other so close because they know
Speaker 7: each other so well. I have a whole Tyler Boyd
Speaker 7: thing I want to get into, but I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: We're still building to.
Speaker 6: We're just going to keep teasing it forever. I think
Speaker 6: the Ravens are a matchup problem for these Bengals, and
Speaker 6: I think last year really pointed it out that the
Speaker 6: Bengals needed a defensive score to win that playoff game.
Speaker 8: With Tyler Huntley in the mix.
Speaker 6: Even if you remember that Week eighteen game where they
Speaker 6: played against each other, it's nip and tuck. I think
Speaker 6: did the Ravens get them once last year? I'm forgetting,
Speaker 6: but they I think do well because up front the Bengals,
Speaker 6: when I watched them last week, it's like the offensive line.
Speaker 8: Is still a problem.
Speaker 6: It's like all this investment that you've had and they
Speaker 6: really lost that game. I thought last week upfront, on
Speaker 6: both sides of the ball, the Bengals did to.
Speaker 8: The Texans, which was pretty surprising to me.
Speaker 6: And I think the Bengals play a defensive coordinator in
Speaker 6: Mike McDonald who's so good at scrambling smart quarterbacks, which
Speaker 6: is exactly what Joe Burrow is in terms of changing
Speaker 6: the look, looking the same before the snap and then
Speaker 6: after the staff changing it up. And yeah, I remembered right,
Speaker 6: it was a nineteen seventeen game in Week five last
Speaker 6: week that Lamar Lamar wasn't in that game, But the
Speaker 6: Ravens won that game. So I think it's been a
Speaker 6: tough matchup and I think part of it is a physicality,
Speaker 6: Like not to get all AFC northy, but who's tougher,
Speaker 6: Like who's bigger and stronger, and I think I trust
Speaker 6: the Ravens a little more on that front, on both lines.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to this, by the way, get ready ready,
Speaker 1: just like be ready coming, it's coming.
Speaker 2: I want I talked about I flirted with, you know,
Speaker 2: getting staying on the Bengals train here with the Locks competition,
Speaker 2: but I was t Higgins is going to miss another week. Okay,
Speaker 2: so Higgins is out, Chase is he was very productive
Speaker 2: but banged up going into Sunday's game, and now he's
Speaker 2: got a short week against one of the most physical
Speaker 2: teams in the league. It's a bad setup. And then
Speaker 2: you have the yes, Tyler Boyd of it all, who,
Speaker 2: as I mentioned, had a killer drop that might could
Speaker 2: ruin their season.
Speaker 1: You never know.
Speaker 2: In and sun is loss, they need him to step
Speaker 2: up and be that guy. And I guess I'm a
Speaker 2: little shook because he certainly wasn't that guy on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Okay, Tyler Boyd, Yes.
Speaker 1: Wait, stay right there.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this it was a bad mistake.
Speaker 7: The drop, no doubt, would have won the game maybe,
Speaker 7: But let's just talk about here that Boyd has two
Speaker 7: drops over the past two seasons in this game, he
Speaker 7: caught eight passes. He was responsible for five first downs
Speaker 7: with those passes. In the sixty four yard catch and run,
Speaker 7: they wouldn't have even been in that spot for him
Speaker 7: to drop the ball without that play that he made. So,
Speaker 7: like everyone, with all of these takes and all of
Speaker 7: the criticism that's going towards them, towards him, I just
Speaker 7: don't think it's totally fair.
Speaker 1: If he could run twenty one miles peror he would
Speaker 1: have scored on.
Speaker 6: That sixty And he hasn't been on the same page
Speaker 6: at times with Burrow this year. He's definitely having his
Speaker 6: worst season with the Bengals. He's in a contract year.
Speaker 6: Higgins has been in a contract year, So I think
Speaker 6: it was just like it hasn't been clicking totally. But
Speaker 6: you're right, he had a good game before that, and
Speaker 6: he's been getting better each week. And Marlon Humphrey is
Speaker 6: doubtful for this game. So the Ravens, who like finally
Speaker 6: got healthier again with all their guys, then they lose
Speaker 6: Ronnie Stanley, He's out this week, their left tackle y,
Speaker 6: and so I think it's Patrick McCary steps in.
Speaker 8: They've been goods.
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson's health he was being.
Speaker 6: Trey hendrickson practice this week. I think he's listed as questionable,
Speaker 6: but that's actually a little surprising, how Sam Hubbard Right,
Speaker 6: So there are a lot of injury issues for both teams.
Speaker 6: You would kind of expect at this point in the season,
Speaker 6: but it's unfortunate.
Speaker 8: You lose the game, you lose players. I see something
Speaker 8: building here? What is happening?
Speaker 2: Wait a second, I just flashed back to on the
Speaker 2: NFL Plus atn Game of the Week joint the Super
Speaker 2: Salty like wildly upset and annoyed Joe Burrow press conference
Speaker 2: after the game, we play a little clip of that's.
Speaker 3: Probably one more frustrating losses.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say that, Why is it so frustrated.
Speaker 1: When you watch the game?
Speaker 5: Does it feel different at this point this year with
Speaker 5: how just close everything is in the division in the
Speaker 5: AFC right now in terms of the margin for air.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we would like to win this one, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: I believe in Joe Burrow, and I understand the Bengals
Speaker 2: have let me down in this picks competition this year
Speaker 2: and I am way back, But at what point what
Speaker 2: do I have to lose? Like, if I can get
Speaker 2: behind an angry, annoyed, pissed off Joe Burrow, which is
Speaker 2: what you just listen to. There is no way Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow gets beat in this primetime stage. In fact, he
Speaker 2: is going to light up the Ravens and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: lock it up to.
Speaker 1: Burrow is one of one. He's one of those dudes.
Speaker 2: He's one of those special players that has the not
Speaker 2: just the ability, but the charisma and the guy that
Speaker 2: gets bigger in the big moments. And this is a
Speaker 2: huge moment for this team that can not afford to lose.
Speaker 2: And Greg, I know it's kind of you know, the
Speaker 2: type of talk that hardcore football heads and analytics people hate.
Speaker 2: But the Ravens could survive a loss. They're seven and
Speaker 2: three right now. The Bengals they might not be able
Speaker 2: to They need this game more than Baal Tame.
Speaker 8: I believe in that.
Speaker 6: I do believe there is something to which team needs
Speaker 6: it more makes a difference in a long regular season.
Speaker 6: It's why I think a lot of times you see
Speaker 6: really good teams respond really well after.
Speaker 1: But then people always come back to oh, so, I
Speaker 1: guess the Ravens will be trying.
Speaker 6: No, Well, who's the people I'm the people, But I
Speaker 6: think on a global level, like you see that, the
Speaker 6: problem is both teams are coming off brutal losses. So
Speaker 6: I don't know if that equals it out a little
Speaker 6: bit because there's the Ravens had no business losing that
Speaker 6: and this would be a big loss for them too.
Speaker 6: I love that you point out the division schedule that
Speaker 6: the Bengals are zeroing too.
Speaker 8: This put them oh to three in the Division one
Speaker 8: and five in the conference.
Speaker 6: But you know what, the Ravens have lost two division
Speaker 6: games too, because they blew that one against the Browns
Speaker 6: and the and the Steelers, so they would be two
Speaker 6: and three with only one left, and it.
Speaker 8: Is so big for both teams.
Speaker 6: To me, we kind of said, all right, this is
Speaker 6: a show me something game last week about Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 6: And obviously the Ravens offense and Lamar have accomplished out more.
Speaker 6: They're gonna go somewhere this year. I'm with you, these
Speaker 6: are two of the three best teams I think in
Speaker 6: the conference, and yet the loser is gonna be in
Speaker 6: a tough way here. But I'm a little bit at
Speaker 6: the show me something with the cohesion of the Ravens
Speaker 6: passing attack, in a spot where you're going against a
Speaker 6: Bengals secondary that has been giving up a lot of
Speaker 6: big plays this season. Even during their winning streak, they
Speaker 6: were giving up a lot of explosive plays. And Lamar's
Speaker 6: been very good, but they haven't been in seeing they've
Speaker 6: been streaky, like guys are open. He missed a couple
Speaker 6: deep shots that could have put the Browns away last week.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you don't know what Bateman or Beckham's gonna do,
Speaker 6: or it doesn't seem like Lamar knows what they're gonna do.
Speaker 6: Like this is, to me is a really big game
Speaker 6: for Lamar and those wide reis. You've had ten weeks
Speaker 6: now to get some cohesion and and that's the one
Speaker 6: thing that holds me back.
Speaker 8: It's not them blowing these leads.
Speaker 6: It's like, are they going to be a good enough
Speaker 6: explosive passing game do it against this Bengals defense which
Speaker 6: really hasn't been that great.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move to Sunday Night Football. That's a
Speaker 2: great Thursday game, Connie, Really do the damn thing on
Speaker 2: the network in the live setting.
Speaker 6: We're all going to be was so give me some
Speaker 6: more Keaton Mitchell in this game. I don't need any
Speaker 6: five touch.
Speaker 2: Every time the balls in his hand, he's electric, baby.
Speaker 2: All right, here we go the Vikings. They are the
Speaker 2: team of around the NFL.
Speaker 1: How about that?
Speaker 2: And I watched a clip from inside the NFL uh
Speaker 2: huh of Kevin O'Connell, who I really like talking about
Speaker 2: the the red zone call that led to the Dobbs
Speaker 2: scramble and the touchdown. And as he's watching dobb scramble,
Speaker 2: he just kind of like puts his hands up and
Speaker 2: like and like shaking his head like oh okay, like okay,
Speaker 2: this I have a quarterback that can do this. And
Speaker 2: that was interesting and this could be fun. And yes,
Speaker 2: that's why they're the team of aten. They could be fun.
Speaker 2: And I love Justin Jefferson to be back playing with him.
Speaker 2: Is it happening yet?
Speaker 1: Greg? I don't know.
Speaker 6: I don't it's no, but it's also trending towards it's
Speaker 6: a matter of weeks not months, right.
Speaker 2: So from one in four to six and four in
Speaker 2: good playoff positioning and now they get a Broncos team
Speaker 2: Colleen that is really has put it together. Greg, I
Speaker 2: thought you put it well on the Monday Show Monday
Speaker 2: Night Podcast that they are now at the stage where
Speaker 2: they've been with the exception the notable exception of that
Speaker 2: Dolphins game. They're in every game and they're going to
Speaker 2: continue to be in every game. So I and the
Speaker 2: Vikings are chemically addicted to being in a close game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think we have a very high chance of
Speaker 2: this being a game that goes down to the wire.
Speaker 2: Hopefully the team of ATN comes out on top. But
Speaker 2: I think we have a good one here too as well.
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, this game did not look good.
Speaker 8: I gave them a.
Speaker 6: Grief for not flexing out this game, and you know,
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks later, it looks pretty good.
Speaker 3: Now the Broncos are they legit like?
Speaker 7: Of course, the one in five start with the Dolphins
Speaker 7: stink on them kind of left everyone thinking that they
Speaker 7: would not go anywhere this season. But the back to
Speaker 7: back wins against the Chiefs and the Bills, they're one
Speaker 7: game out of the final wild card spot in the AFC.
Speaker 3: The defense, those four turnovers.
Speaker 7: A lot of that was on Josh Allen though five
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's right. So this defense is opportunistic. Now,
Speaker 7: justin Simmons, he has the most first of all, he's
Speaker 7: been consistent over his entire career. He is the most
Speaker 7: interception since coming into the league in twenty sixteen, with
Speaker 7: thirty of them. But it's just this team looks different,
Speaker 7: and Russell Wilson was quietly having I think now after
Speaker 7: the primetime game, people realize that he looks better than
Speaker 7: he did last year. But he was definitely having a
Speaker 7: more effective season and no one was really talking about it.
Speaker 7: That would have been a good you people, what you
Speaker 7: people don't realize.
Speaker 3: But I do look at this game.
Speaker 7: And wonder when Justin Jefferson is going to return for
Speaker 7: the Vikings.
Speaker 3: If this is going to be the first.
Speaker 6: Game very cautious where it makes it sound like it
Speaker 6: won't be this week, then next week maybe it could.
Speaker 7: But if Josh Dobbs is making it work without him,
Speaker 7: then don't rush it back. They have the longest active
Speaker 7: win streak in the NFL at five games, so keep
Speaker 7: it going.
Speaker 6: I wonder when Russell Wilson is allowed or can he
Speaker 6: open it up a little bit more, because I don't
Speaker 6: think they're going to get to the playoffs unless they
Speaker 6: can do a little more. Like his average depth of
Speaker 6: target on these in these games are crazy, Like, I
Speaker 6: think he only attempted three throws last week over five
Speaker 6: yards or over ten yards, and that's it's been pretty
Speaker 6: similar to that. It's it's all five to seven yard throws.
Speaker 6: Get like, is it open right away? If not, check
Speaker 6: it down. It's like it's been effective, But can you
Speaker 6: keep winning that way against this Flores blitz which is
Speaker 6: just a not a fluke anymore. It's happening week after week.
Speaker 6: They're a top ten defense. It's amazing. Josh mattelis the
Speaker 6: way they use their safeties and linebackers and they're just
Speaker 6: sending different deals. It's going to put a lot of
Speaker 6: stress on Sean Payton in the offensive line and Russell
Speaker 6: Wilson to recognize where the pressures coming from. And I
Speaker 6: think the best way to beat it is to run
Speaker 6: through them, and they can do that Denver, but also
Speaker 6: to take some shots down the field, and we haven't
Speaker 6: seen enough of that from Russ.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they believe they have that award now. Coordinator of
Speaker 2: the Year like Brian Flores.
Speaker 1: Has to be.
Speaker 2: I think he's a favorite in consideration or a favorite
Speaker 2: because no one was expecting. The idea was that the
Speaker 2: Vikings would be better this year. They were the arguably
Speaker 2: the worst defense in the league last year, certainly the
Speaker 2: worst of the playoff teams, and now they're they're winning
Speaker 2: games with the help of the defense. I think on
Speaker 2: the Wilson point, and this is why, again you can't
Speaker 2: just judge everything on stats, because yes, he is kind
Speaker 2: of a checkdown master, and it's not the same old
Speaker 2: remember old producer TD.
Speaker 1: You know, Russell Wilson throws his sexy deep ball. He
Speaker 1: was so fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Has throwing those bombs to who wasn't back then Doug Baldwin.
Speaker 8: Who else was Blockett? Locked?
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett?
Speaker 2: And he's been curs the main curse winning the NFC
Speaker 2: title game on the bomb to cars against the Packers.
Speaker 2: That's that guy. Isn't really around as much anymore. But
Speaker 2: you look at his.
Speaker 8: I just like, look, his numbers are eight good.
Speaker 2: Like here is his projected statistics for the end of
Speaker 2: the season right now. Uh, he has a sixty eight
Speaker 2: percent completion percentage thirty four hundred yards, which speaks to
Speaker 2: like a lot of checkdowns.
Speaker 1: That is not a lot of yards, especially in the
Speaker 1: modern game.
Speaker 2: Averaging about seven yards per at ten on pays for
Speaker 2: thirty four touchdowns and eight picks, and he has a
Speaker 2: one oh four passer rating, which is very good. His
Speaker 2: QBR is fifty two and a half, which is like
Speaker 2: middle of the pack, so some of that stuff. He's
Speaker 2: not an elite dominant player anymore. Still takes a lot
Speaker 2: of sacks, still takes a lot of sacks, but he
Speaker 2: is more athletic than he was a year ago, and
Speaker 2: he did lose a bunch of weight and you could
Speaker 2: see it. It's just been an interesting season for him,
Speaker 2: and you got to give credit to Peyton and his schemes. Right,
Speaker 2: there's also Wilson who could have went in the tank
Speaker 2: after last year and hasn't.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 8: I went to look to QBR.
Speaker 6: Now you know they isolate rushing value, and that's quarterbacks
Speaker 6: I can run tend to do well in QBR, and
Speaker 6: Dobbs now is the number one rushing quarterback by a
Speaker 6: decent margin this year in terms of rushing value. It
Speaker 6: doesn't surprise me. I mean, he is adding huge value.
Speaker 6: But you know who's seventh, which is a nice uptick,
Speaker 6: is Russell Wilson. And that doesn't shock me because each
Speaker 6: game there's about three plays where he runs for eight
Speaker 6: yards on third and six and those are those are
Speaker 6: just massively valuable plays and he has added that back
Speaker 6: to the mix this year. Keep an eye on Ty
Speaker 6: Chandler box scores. You know did the box score didn't
Speaker 6: look great last week, but he added some juice to
Speaker 6: that backfield for Minnesota. A couple of his runs got
Speaker 6: called back because of penalty, and he's a nice little
Speaker 6: fantasy pick up.
Speaker 8: Let's see if we can get some more tight Chandler.
Speaker 7: Last night, I went down this rabbit hole on and
Speaker 7: Jordan Hicks because he after the game had to have
Speaker 7: emergency surgery because of compartment syndrome in his leg. I
Speaker 7: didn't realize all of the things that go into compartment syndrome,
Speaker 7: but it sounds very scary because he had come back,
Speaker 7: he had crashed into his own teammate in the first
Speaker 7: quarter of that game, and then he came back and
Speaker 7: played twenty three more snaps, finally left again in the
Speaker 7: third quarter, and then after the game he had such
Speaker 7: swelling in his leg that they got him to the
Speaker 7: hospital immediately. And compartment syndrome, it's like when the swelling
Speaker 7: reaches dangerous levels, it can cause permanent muscle damage because
Speaker 7: it restricts the blood flow to the muscles, so you
Speaker 7: can end up with like Gang Greene essentially. So that's
Speaker 7: just a point fun fact for you that M.
Speaker 3: Glennoyd you over the place.
Speaker 7: Well, I did want to be a neonatologist when I
Speaker 7: was little.
Speaker 8: Yeah, your sister is a nurse. You know it's all happening.
Speaker 2: So looking to the Cleveland statement again and see if
Speaker 2: Colleen slipped in there was some of her clinical background
Speaker 2: and bad job by us, Greg. The one thing that
Speaker 2: we didn't give enough pop two, both to Wilson but
Speaker 2: mostly to Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 1: Was his touchdown catch on fourth and two.
Speaker 2: NFL's next Gen Stats gave that play a three point
Speaker 2: two percent chance of completion, making it the play with
Speaker 2: the lowest probability of completion since next Gen Stats has
Speaker 2: tracked the metrics. In other words, that is the greatest
Speaker 2: catch ever in terms. That's part of it, in greatest completion,
Speaker 2: most difficult completion in the history of that stat which
Speaker 2: I think goes back to about fifteen or so.
Speaker 6: Next I could be wrong, but I think someone said
Speaker 6: the two point conversion Wilson had to lock it in
Speaker 6: the NFC Championship was the second most and those two
Speaker 6: those two plays were like the exact same, and it
Speaker 6: was that it was an incredible effort by Russell Wilson
Speaker 6: to get and to make that throw an even better catch.
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, that's one of the best plays, just
Speaker 6: pure plays by two guys.
Speaker 1: Impossible.
Speaker 8: We've seen it.
Speaker 1: Impossible.
Speaker 3: So you brought up Russ to Tyler Lockett because.
Speaker 7: When I saw the Courtland Sutton touchdown, that's immediately who
Speaker 7: I thought of, because those two had so many connections
Speaker 7: where it was like, are you kidding me in the
Speaker 7: corner of the end zone or.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? All right?
Speaker 2: Finally, Monday night football, the Philadelphia Eagles traveling to Arrowhead
Speaker 2: to face the Kansas City Chiefs. Ooh Saucy that he
Speaker 2: likes spicy Papa. And here we have the Eagles and
Speaker 2: Connie eight and one first place coming off a bye, correct,
Speaker 2: both teams coming off.
Speaker 1: Of Beef's coming off of bye, having a chance to.
Speaker 2: Figure and you know better than anyone that Read is
Speaker 2: dominant in his career after the bye, even before Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 2: but now he has Homes. The question I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: GREGI is I look ahead to this game?
Speaker 1: Because I am.
Speaker 2: I did my my spiel about there are no good
Speaker 2: teams in the AFC, that is, if the Chiefs don't
Speaker 2: figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I still do think they figure it out.
Speaker 2: And I would love and can't wait to watch the
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs at the midway point after a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks to figure some things out. What do we
Speaker 2: see from this offense? How might it look different? Will
Speaker 2: look different?
Speaker 1: At all? We shall see?
Speaker 6: Twenty eight and four is the ridiculous and Andy Reid
Speaker 6: Initiative record.
Speaker 8: I was it? Twenty eight and four?
Speaker 3: Great, it's one of my notes.
Speaker 8: Totally stupid. I love this is this?
Speaker 1: Are you just on the show for data mining for
Speaker 1: your other programs? Who do what to do?
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 1: Go ahead? Greg?
Speaker 6: I actually heard I think it was Bo Wolf and
Speaker 6: Zach Berman who are doing a podcast for I think
Speaker 6: Philly Now I forget phl y like it's their own
Speaker 6: thing at Birds with Friends it used to be called
Speaker 6: pH Why And they said that Nick Sirianni had actually
Speaker 6: called Andy Reid in the past to ask him what
Speaker 6: he does during his bye week, and I think like
Speaker 6: he like stayed that's part of it.
Speaker 8: I don't even know.
Speaker 6: This is just take a break win stayed at like
Speaker 6: the Andy same hotel that Andy Reid would stay at
Speaker 6: for vacation or something like.
Speaker 8: It was totally preposterous. I would hold on, let.
Speaker 3: Me write that down.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna like retell someone else's story.
Speaker 8: I need to be buttoned down. That's on me.
Speaker 6: The Eagle's running game I think needs to be better,
Speaker 6: like they they've been hoping. Oh, when Sue Opetta comes back,
Speaker 6: you know, we'll have our offensive line back together and
Speaker 6: we'll be able to run the ball better. It's like
Speaker 6: if your running game is Sue o. Petta is really
Speaker 6: the difference in it, and it has a line with
Speaker 6: him being gone, but he's like their fifth best offensive line.
Speaker 6: I think there's something else going on. And even though
Speaker 6: Jalen Hurts is playing really well and almost as good
Speaker 6: as any quarterback in the league, I would say after
Speaker 6: the first three or four weeks, I think defenses are
Speaker 6: getting a beat on the Eagles running game and really
Speaker 6: building up to stop their running game. And I do
Speaker 6: think that the Chiefs are uniquely suited with their secondary
Speaker 6: and Steve Spagnola to slow down the passing attack. I
Speaker 6: think you want to be able to run against Kansas City,
Speaker 6: so that's like the number one thing I'm looking at,
Speaker 6: are we getting those five seven yard runs from DeAndre
Speaker 6: Swift because they really haven't been there and they don't
Speaker 6: make as much sense without him or without Hurts, you know,
Speaker 6: in the running game.
Speaker 7: I'm looking at how the Eagles offense adjusts without Dallas
Speaker 7: Goddard because he fractured his forearm in the game against Dallas.
Speaker 7: They lost him for five games last season. They were
Speaker 7: still able to put up a ton of points in
Speaker 7: those games, so they were able to mix things up
Speaker 7: on offense just to get by. But there's only two
Speaker 7: healthy options at this point at the tight end position,
Speaker 7: Jack Stole and Albert oh Grant Calcata he has a concussion,
Speaker 7: not sure when he's going to return, but Goddard's a
Speaker 7: big part of that offense and what makes it work.
Speaker 3: I do love the fact that.
Speaker 7: They had a buy week because Jalen Hurts limping in
Speaker 7: that game when he got up very slow to get up.
Speaker 7: I think that there's something more going on with him
Speaker 7: that they're just not letting on the Eagles, so he's
Speaker 7: someone to watch. Also, they might get Cam Jurgens back
Speaker 7: their right guard. He missed five games with a foot
Speaker 7: injury and his practice window opened right before the Dallas game.
Speaker 7: But I think his injury, along with Jalen Hurts, just
Speaker 7: not looking right is what's been affecting the run game
Speaker 7: that you.
Speaker 3: Talk about, Greg.
Speaker 7: Like Philadelphia Inquire's own Marcus Hayes, he actually put out
Speaker 7: the stat that in the first three games for the Eagles,
Speaker 7: they were averaging four point nine yards per carry and
Speaker 7: one hundred and eighty five rushing yards per game, and
Speaker 7: then the next six when Cam was hurt Jurgons they
Speaker 7: were averaging three point four yards per carry and just
Speaker 7: one oh one yards rushing per game.
Speaker 8: So that's what I mean to say before and I said,
Speaker 8: Sue Petta.
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure what you were talking about there.
Speaker 6: Well, because he missed He missed the company weeks too,
Speaker 6: but he's a return So that was a big old
Speaker 6: brain fart in a big l for.
Speaker 3: I got initiative.
Speaker 7: Greg, on here, Rosie over here, h hanging there, Bud,
Speaker 7: you're over extending your tear.
Speaker 2: You've done, You've done great work all show. Don't let
Speaker 2: that Martin.
Speaker 3: Don't think about just that any other.
Speaker 1: Thoughts on this game.
Speaker 6: I want to see, like if the Chiefs are gonna
Speaker 6: blit like they are a really effective blitz team, Like
Speaker 6: they by the numbers, they are the most effective in
Speaker 6: terms of how they prevent success rate and create big plays,
Speaker 6: and they've just been dynamite. It's pretty risky to do
Speaker 6: against this offensive line, against these wide receivers. So that's
Speaker 6: that's a great coaching matchup because it's tough to get
Speaker 6: at Jalen Hurts. And if if you're blitzing, then suddenly
Speaker 6: aj Brown and DeVante Smith are in one on one
Speaker 6: matchups and kind of and and on the flip side,
Speaker 6: like Patrick Mahomes has been protected well all year, like,
Speaker 6: let's get some people open. We've had this bye week,
Speaker 6: Rashi Rice up the middle of the feel like, are
Speaker 6: we gonna see you? You kind of said it, Dan
Speaker 6: like after two weeks, are we gonna see them? Look
Speaker 6: a little more like the Chiefs. I think to what
Speaker 6: I was talking about with the Eagle secondary before, there
Speaker 6: should be opportunities if you can block the Eagles to
Speaker 6: have open receivers.
Speaker 8: If they can't do it this week, you start to give.
Speaker 7: Travis Kelsey's coming off the game against the Dolphins in
Speaker 7: Frankfurt where they limited him, he was not involved in
Speaker 7: the offense and Patrick Mahomes he did connect with a
Speaker 7: lot of other pass catchers and made it work, but
Speaker 7: it was really the defense that ended up winning that game.
Speaker 7: And you have so much going into this game. The
Speaker 7: stakes and this one are also so high. Two teams
Speaker 7: of the best records, both coming off by both quarterbacks
Speaker 7: are leading the MVP discussion.
Speaker 3: It's at Arrowhead. The Kelsey's are playing each other.
Speaker 7: You know, I mean, I guess, uh, Taylor Swift won't
Speaker 7: be there because she's on tour right now, but I'm
Speaker 7: gonna be a lot of Donna Kelce pop as well.
Speaker 8: How much did you know Joe and Troy throw their
Speaker 8: weight around to get this game? You know that the
Speaker 8: networks are fighting for this game. Maybe this was maybe
Speaker 8: the number one draft pick, and then.
Speaker 1: They're paying too much money for that booth for them
Speaker 1: not to have games.
Speaker 6: Troyce shows up to the meeting and he just he
Speaker 6: flexes his muscles.
Speaker 2: He gets and they're substantial for a man whose age.
Speaker 2: One thing missing from Hurts that would I'm wondering he's
Speaker 2: gonna show up in the second half is him being
Speaker 2: kind of a dynamic rushing guy. Yeah, he's averaging and
Speaker 2: a half yards of carry, and that's down substantially. He
Speaker 2: was four and a half last year, five and a
Speaker 2: half his first two years, and his rushes are actually
Speaker 2: down off pace from last year. You know, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of that is protecting him, but it would
Speaker 2: be nice to see that mix. It makes him almost
Speaker 2: impossible when he's really moving the ball with his legs.
Speaker 2: And my final note on the game, what you people
Speaker 2: don't realize, just to tie it all together, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to help you here, is that Chiefs tight end
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey and Eagles center Jason kelce are actually brothers.
Speaker 2: They're related, and oh my god. So that's a little
Speaker 2: subplot for this game. But a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: realize that, right. But it's like they're different too. They
Speaker 2: look different and the personalities are quite different. And what
Speaker 2: a celebration of different body types because I believe that
Speaker 2: Jason Kelcey, that big bear of a man, is recently
Speaker 2: named one of People Magazine's Sexiest People's.
Speaker 6: True what are the odds that? They asked Travis and
Speaker 6: he was like, no, but you should do my brother.
Speaker 8: It would be great.
Speaker 3: Jason was like, I'm not even the sexiest man in
Speaker 3: my family.
Speaker 1: It's like the old Elvis Skirback.
Speaker 2: They wanted Travis and then they went to Eagles headquarters
Speaker 2: by accident.
Speaker 1: They're like, all right, do the hairy guy.
Speaker 8: Hey, you know it's sexy being a responsible family man.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 8: And like Dan Hanss and.
Speaker 1: Myself, I'm building a fence this week, folks.
Speaker 3: I'm fixing a sink. I got a wrap wrench.
Speaker 8: Hell yeah, Greg, I'm making that bread. You know, all right?
Speaker 8: Paying that rent?
Speaker 1: Now you've said it all I have as you always do.
Speaker 1: Check her out on NFL Network.
Speaker 3: I'll be there.
Speaker 6: So many, so many songs.
Speaker 2: And we will be back on Thursday with our full
Speaker 2: week eleven preview.
Speaker 8: This is a basics.
Speaker 1: Until the heat the call. Turn this up to my headphones.
Speaker 4: I'll go to Blair this in the parking lot, Charlie,
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm really.
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Speaker 3: Hi, Ammie, I love you Mine