WEBVTT - #237 - Armani Caesar 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.960 Boulet cap Show, special guests in here, Buffalo's Finest, Griselda's 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:09.280 own the First Lady. Yes, Yes, Harmoni Caesar, how you doing. Welcome, 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.760 It's good to see you. Good to be here. Of course, 0:00:12.080 --> 0:00:15.600 your new album is officially out, The Liz Too. Yes, 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:19.239 highly anticipated. Yes. How does it feel now that it's 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:21.560 out in the world and you're getting reception? Like, are 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:26.160 you are you happy with everybody's you know, take on it? Yeah, 0:00:26.320 --> 0:00:28.280 I still feel like, you know, I've been in a 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:29.760 lot of love when it I still feel like it's 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:31.840 being digested because that's something that you got to listen 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.479 to a few times to really catch everything right, like 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.879 just the bars, metaphors, double entandras, but also like the 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.560 flow of it, Like it's really like in a sequence 0:00:42.000 --> 0:00:46.040 of like events that were really happening, right, So you're like, 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:51.159 I feel like you are kind of an anomaly in 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.920 a crew like Griselda. Yeah, right, Like we think of Done, 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.360 we think of Conway A Benny, it's high level coke rap. 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.440 It's you know, yeah, it's we know what it is, right, 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.520 And then there's Armani Caesar, who's like, you know, one 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.720 of those pretty girls in hip hop and obviously you 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:11.880 could wrap your ass off, but you're also very much 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:15.600 like a different You're bringing something different to the crew. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.280 When did you initially link up with Gun? And like, 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.280 how did you guys eventually get on each other's radar 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:24.000 to where you ended up working with Griselda officially? So 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.440 I met Gun back and when I was still living 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:30.360 in Buffalo, I was like a teenager and we met 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:33.920 through DJSHA. That's I met all the guys through DJSHA. 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.160 Was in a group all together called buff City. And 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.200 then once I left for school, and then everybody kind 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:45.680 of just banded, you know, did they own it? Was me? Conway? 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:53.880 Benny Hyde was in it? Rick was it? Yes? I 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:58.560 just realized that, and like it was like, uh, hooge crews. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.920 Who else is in Above City? That's just prior to 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.480 you going to college, So this is like, how are 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.960 you like eighteen seventeen? Like seventeen, just turned seventeen? Wow? Okay, yeah. 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:13.679 So then I just kind of, you know, they met me. 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.079 I went in there for some studio time and they 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.680 had another rap chick in there at the time, and 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.919 Benny was like helping her write a verse or whatever 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:23.680 because she was gonna be like the first Lady above 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:25.840 City at the time, gotcha. So where they was like 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:29.280 they were going over the verse and it kept playing instrumental. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.080 I wrote my own verse and then somebody heard me 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:34.760 rapping it and then Benny you know, came over heard 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.519 me tap shade like yo, like she fired s a 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:39.400 third long story short, I ended up in a group 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.680 just like that. Wow, So that was kind of like 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:45.760 the first time you had like really linked up with 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.000 the guys over there in general. Yeah. Yeah, So you 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:53.880 go to school, you said, North Carolina Central HBCU. Yep, 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.880 what were you going to school for? So I was, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.560 I was a few things, but I ended up a 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.160 marketing major business administration with a concentration of marketing. But 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:09.320 like all of my prerecs were like, you know, pretty 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.920 much the same and like staples that you needed for 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.360 every class except for the hip hop and Context class. 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.440 There was a hip hop and context class teaching. Yeah, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.400 I just saw him post that, so you never know 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.520 who's in the classroom. Yes, So it was crazy, like 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.600 because I even gave him the mixtape that I had 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.520 back in the day. It was called Back and body Work, 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.440 and you know he was he was showing love like 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:34.600 you know, he was still he was just real cool. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.880 It was a bunch of people in the class, but essentially, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:39.800 like it really kind of got me into a journey 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:42.240 of like going and doing my research on the rock 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.240 sand Chante's and see lights like the people that weren't 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:47.640 like mainstream, like the Kim's and Foxies. Right, So you 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.920 think like taking that class kind of helped you like 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.400 sharpen your hip hop head metal if you will for sure. 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.720 I mean we would just be walking into class and 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.600 like he would be playing a sample and then he 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.760 would played the song that sampled it, like you know 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:04.480 that kind of thing, Like, so that got me in 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.760 my sample bag. That got me like digging for beats 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.160 and like even inspiring me to just go back and 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.760 listen to old school music. So were you like motivated 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:16.200 to go check out Little brother at All his group? Yeah? 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:18.599 I love Little Brothers. Little Brother's one of my favorite 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.800 rap groups ever. Yeah, they was fired fontat They still 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.640 like they put a good ALBUMNT a couple years ago, 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.440 a few years ago before the pandemic, shoutout Fontine, Big Poop. Yes, 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.679 I gotta check that out. Yeah, So you go to school, 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.280 you get the mark, you got a degree. No you 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.440 didn't finished. No, I didn't finish. Once I was told, like, 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:38.800 you know, I think this was like my junior year 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:40.760 and I was trying to figure out like what I 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:42.880 wanted to do, and I was just really going to 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.760 school just to appease my mother. And my advisor was like, 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:49.280 look like, I see how you go like in our 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.240 marketing class, and you could literally sell ice to Eskimos, 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.159 so like if you can market yourself, you could really 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:56.400 much pretty much do anything. And I guess he was 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:58.560 trying to motivate me, but it motivated me to like leave, 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.400 like say fuck this on the right move? Yeah, and 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.200 you got Now I see why you have your so success. 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.960 You got a damn Armani's closet. Yeah. Is this an 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.680 online store or an actual place that people can visit? 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.200 It's an online store. I'm working on making it like 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.000 a brick and mortar, but I wanted to be like 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.960 an experience that's super tight. Yeah. Okay, so you decided 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.560 to leave school. Yeah, at that point in time, you 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:25.159 stay in North Carolina, you go back home. What are 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.599 you doing? I just was going back and forth. I 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.160 was still kind of like working, and then I got 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.320 a job at a club, and it was just like 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.039 I was running it up, making money from there. And 0:05:35.800 --> 0:05:37.840 what were you doing at the club. I was dancing. 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.200 You're stripping, Okay, so shouts all the ladies out there 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.240 geting that money. Yes, get that brig, get that bag. 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.120 My wife used to be a dancer, So no judgment here. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.440 I mean, listen, listen. I know more strippers making more 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.800 money than drug dealers to this day, and a lot 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.839 risky less risky. Yeah, even though, Yo, there's something about 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:01.360 strip club politics that because I used to do a 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:03.680 lot at strip clubs, so I've been in the locker rooms. 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.880 I've seen bitches beat the ship out of each other. 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.320 Oh yeah, over like whose bucket got fuller from someone 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:13.159 making it rain? Like the strip cup politics are crazy. 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.160 I ended up getting fired. That's how I ended up 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.159 stopping because it was like so it was just I 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.200 hated my job, but it was like the money was 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.320 so good that I was like I was trying to 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.640 figure out how I could walk away from it for good, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:26.640 because you know, you gonna stop a little bit here, 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.520 you need some money and go work for a weekend, yeah, 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:32.760 or just you know, you get a nigga. You you know, 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:34.960 you just be like, Okay, well I'm gonna start a 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:36.880 business that don't work out. You already know you're going 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:39.200 back to strip club? Wow? Why did you get fired? 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.599 Girl on her? Yeah, I mean at least she didn't 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.360 assault her. I mean you kind of did. Shouldn't beat 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:50.840 her up? No, I couldn't. It was like security. Yeah, 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:52.480 like that was the only way, like I could kind 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.640 of get to it. Was it over like some money? Yeah, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:56.640 it was, of course, because that's the only reason why 0:06:56.640 --> 0:07:00.800 I'm here, Like, give a fuck about you bitches, you 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:03.200 know why I'm here? Yeah? What city was this? This 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.520 isn't Charlotte, Charlotte? Yeah a CIAA weekends are probably this 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:09.240 as fuck. Oh man, it was going crazy. I mean 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.720 we was on like they would make like the news 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:14.920 like for people spending like hundreds of thousand dollars a 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.640 night on the weekend. It's crazy. What was the most 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.400 amount of money in your short lived dancing career that 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:26.400 you made in one night? Mmmm? Like a little over 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:32.320 twenty k Jesus Christ. Yeah, I would never quit. But 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.000 every night it don't be like that, tell you something. 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.560 I have my ass out until they would tell me 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.960 I had to leave, but you know, now you explains 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.840 why I didn't want to leave. It was like, you know, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.840 get it. It's also like mentally taxing. I don't think 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:50.880 people understand, like your job is to like make like 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.400 like it's I can only my wife's explain it to me, 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:57.640 Like it is mentally taxing to like hit reset and 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:03.200 then try like you have to kind of be everybody's 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:08.400 fantasy slash counselor slash person they trust, like even if 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.160 it's for twenty minutes, like and you do that, however 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.160 long right, and it's like, fuck, it was a long night, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:17.680 you know, Like yeah, and them black clubs is a 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.920 little bit different because, like you know, you gotta deal 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.400 with all the street ship that be coming into the club. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.840 So the club I used to dj in Phoenix called 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:31.720 Jaguars Legendary Strip Club. It's very much the epicenter of 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.480 all of the street shit in Phoenix. Everybody comes there 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.280 at two am after the regular club gets out, and 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:40.720 everybody who's got beef with everybody is all in the 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:44.600 same fucking place every single fucking night. It's it's like 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.600 you could sometimes you can feel the fucking tension in there. Yeah, 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.280 it's like, oh shit, and imagine it's like you ain't 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.720 got no choice. You gotta get this mother fucking bag, 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.000 like you praying that niggas don't be shooting or you 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.520 know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, for sure, it's crazy, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.360 it's wild. Yeah, fights happen, like you said, people get right. Yeah, 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:03.480 I don't care about the fights. Maybe be the shooting 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.320 part for me. Yeah, yeah, I can imagine. Well, okay, 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:08.959 so you're dancing. At what point in time you get 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:13.320 so you got fired? Did you eventually say okay, I'm done? Yeah, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.080 because it was like I wasn't about to work at 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.760 no rinky thing clubs. Like at the time, I was 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.120 like building my following the main spot, not even so 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:21.959 much at the main spot because a lot of people 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.520 didn't even know I danced, you know, because this time, Yeah, 0:09:25.600 --> 0:09:27.880 I started rapping, like I kept rapping as soon as 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:31.079 I got down to North Carolina. I mean, you gave 0:09:31.160 --> 0:09:36.960 Ninth Wonder your mixtape Bath and body Work, Yes, amazing. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:41.000 I was popping big ships. Is this? Can we look 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:45.920 at album artwork anywhere on the internet? Yes? Unfortunately. Yeah, 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.959 if it's online, it's never going away. I know. That's 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.920 a great name though I know no for really, I 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.080 might have to name like a song now or something. 0:09:56.360 --> 0:09:58.280 I got to google it real quick. Hold on, let's see. 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.600 I think it's streamable right now? Is it? Also? It's 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.160 on Bennie on their Conway on there. But like, I think, 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:09.040 what year did this drop? Two thousand and thirteen twelve 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:13.280 something like that? My goodness, Yeah, all right, look at that. Okay, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.520 I see you, I see you in the tub. And 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.600 the thing about that is it was like a shout 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:20.320 out to Shay. He found his house in the hood. 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.040 I forgot it was one of his friend's house, but 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.360 it had like a jacuzie in it. It was like 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.880 one of them little like ratchet houses that looked like 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.280 a trap house. But then when you walk in it's 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:33.320 like renovated. So yeah, he let us borrow that to 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:37.080 do a little photo shoot. That's great. Well, damn, that's crazy. 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.240 That was nine years ago, so you're like a veteran. Definitely, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.960 you were not new to this very much true to 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:46.880 this factual. Hey, what up, y'all? 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Okay, so you were 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:05.280 obviously rapping for a while. When did you feel like 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.120 you started to catch some traction where you could be like, oh, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.520 this might work out for me. It was just always 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:16.760 little things that happened. Back in like twenty fifteen. I 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:20.280 got my first placement on this album on Rico Love's album, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:24.840 actually on the Yes on a song called bad Attitude 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:28.560 featuring me, him and Ray Kwan. Wow. Yeah, so that 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.080 was like my first album placement. Then from there I 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:34.000 ended up like signing and getting a deal, but it 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.400 was like it was through somebody I don't want to 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:43.520 mention fuck them, but yeah, but essentially they left. They 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.360 were the VP at a big record label and ended 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:48.560 up leaving, And then my stuff was kind of like 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.320 in limbo for a year. So I was just sitting 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.600 like not doing shit. That happens a lot. It's like 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.880 the people that sign you, they get a better job 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:56.679 or they get fired, and then there's all these new 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:58.200 people that come in and they're like, well, we didn't 0:12:58.200 --> 0:12:59.840 sign her. They don't they don't believe in you. The 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:01.920 same the people who signed you believe in right, right, 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.960 and if you signed through somebody else, like it don't 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.800 really make a difference because it ain't shipped that they 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:09.280 can do. They don't really have the ties. So so 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.960 you kind of went through like uh the full music 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.320 U industry experience. Yeah, like he was trying to like 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.559 stop bags. He was trying to stop people from sucking 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:22.160 with me. Like it was crazy. Really is this like 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.920 a famous person. I mean he's well known. He's not 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.800 like industry guy. He industry, but like behind the scenes industry. 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:36.520 But what was the label? It was a big one, 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:45.959 it was. It was one of the top five ones. Yeah, 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:51.359 but yeah, fuck him because that did No it was 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:59.720 It wasn't Jay, it wasn't but like you know, no, 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.440 so it was Columbia, you know what. Anyway, But like 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:06.240 I actually seen him when I was doing the red 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.000 carpet at the BT Awards because I had to deciphering right, 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:11.520 and you know, it just was a good feeling. It 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:13.680 was just like, damn, you tried to stop and look 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.720 at me. Now, It's pretty crazy that someone would go 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:18.400 out of their way to try to stop money from 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.560 like a somebody who's just trying to make ends meet. 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.840 I mean it happens more often than not, especially the 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:29.000 females for sure. Yeah, I've gotten deal stopped because I 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.880 didn't want to fuck with executives. I've gotten deal stop 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.440 because obviously, you know, a person wasn't doing anything and 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.080 they just wanted me to just sit and wait like it. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.680 It's crazy. Yeah, there's a double standard with like women 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.280 in hip hop, where it's like, no matter what you do, 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.760 like people are always going to assume the not necessarily 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.960 the worst. But shit, I told you earlier. I was like, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.160 I forgot. He told me that you and Kodak had 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:53.640 a song coming out because you were supposed to come 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.120 up here like a month ago or something, and he 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:56.920 was like, well, we're waiting for this Kodak great, get cleared. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.960 But then I just saw the video that you posted 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.400 a Kodak braiding your hair. I was like, damn Kodaks 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.040 Dayton RMANI Caesar Kodak is just a certified lover boy. 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.840 So I think he just give off that like flirty energy. Yeah, 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.120 shot out to him. He's I mean he bought Shannon 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:16.640 Brown'sa's wife Monica person the other night. Yeah, but he's 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.200 sweet like that though, like He's the type that you 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:23.600 don't even have to be with him, like he just hm, 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:28.120 he did the record. I was happy enough with that. No, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.680 it wasn't free, but you know, he just looked out 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.200 you know what I'm saying for for a person that's 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.600 still underground and stuff like that. Like, and I slid 0:15:36.600 --> 0:15:38.240 in his DM. I was like, yo, like cause I 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.160 was listening to you know, the album, and I'm like, damn, 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.200 like we need a couple more features just to wrap 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:46.400 this up. And I was just like, well fuck it. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.600 I'm just so yeah, let's just see what happens. He 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.080 hit me right back, and I sent the song. I'm like, 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:52.880 let me know if you're fucking with it. He sent 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.560 me right back. He was just like, I'm about to 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:55.800 stretch to be I'm gonna send it back to you. 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.560 He sent it in like three hours. Oh ship yep. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.960 And then the next maybe like a week or two later, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:04.440 pulled up and did the video. Yo. That doesn't happen usually, never, 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.280 like especially in an artists that big, Like usually you're 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.640 like waiting like two months or something. You're like, Yoda, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.560 forget niggas that ain't even as big as that. Conway, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.520 don't do Conway. Conway did take way longer to do it. 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:20.840 I know he did. Conway takes way longer than everybody. 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.600 But I love I love Conway. Conway. I love him 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:25.800 as well. But like, even with all the backlash that 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:27.920 Kodak was getting at the time, you know, I was 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.240 kind of like Leary, like, you know, not so much 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.120 Leary because I know that. I'm mean, I know how 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.560 I carry myself. So oh, was this during the uh 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.360 like when there was they were trying to there was 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.520 somebody were they trying to like paint him out to 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:45.320 be the Yeah. I don't know who it was, but 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:47.880 it was, Yeah, I think it was something like that. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.520 But I was gonna say, like, is it, like, are 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.440 you starting to you gotta I feel like as a 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:54.880 as a woman in hip hop, you have to have 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:58.560 thick skin and you gotta kind of like understand like 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:01.760 whether it's right or wrong, people are gonna look at 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.120 you a certain way up until they hear your music. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.560 I mean, I think me coming down to North Carolina 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.199 and not knowing nobody and having to establish myself with 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.560 the DJs, with even my studio sessions, like locking that 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.320 shit down for ten hours at a time, you're making Yeah, 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:20.600 but it's like how you carry yourself, like, you know, 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.159 I don't move like how everybody moves, So people know 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.000 not to play with me. Even if it's like at 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.960 first you think, oh shit, like she fired, I'm gonna 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.639 shoot my shot, It's like once you see that I'm 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.119 really about business, then you ain't gonna play with me. 0:17:32.200 --> 0:17:34.680 Like that was a when did you How long did 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.760 you guys shoot the video? We shot it Native America 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.399 weekend in Philly. When was that? That was? Like? That 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.080 was like in September September. First, I want to say, yeah, yeah, 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.280 I remember that weekend. Yeah, that's dope. So it was 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:49.280 all in Philly. Yep, that's what's up for you? Do 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.840 you do you like? Were you always kind of like 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:57.440 cause you are very good at skating over beats that 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.000 you would not expect women who look like you to 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.879 wrap over. Were you always in that bag with like 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.480 the Darringer type sound or was that something that like 0:18:07.560 --> 0:18:12.119 once you officially came full circle signed with Griselda, that 0:18:12.160 --> 0:18:15.359 you embraced a little bit more. Cause you're living in 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:19.080 North Carolina, you're in the strip club. Music's a certain way, 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:24.280 So I think I was doing that beforehand. Like again, 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:28.520 going back to my first project that I ever did 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.920 with buff City, it was like we was wrapping over Heartbeat, 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.800 So you know, of course when I moved down there, 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.760 it was like then I learned how to like ride 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.840 that wave. So now it's like I have an equal 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.560 balance of both. And when I moved over to you know, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.879 when I actually signed to Griselda, it was like, you know, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.560 I was excited to do it just because there was 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.639 already a lane for me open there versus me trying 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.680 to like start off and do that by myself in 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:55.600 North Carolina. So I think walk into a pretty rapid 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.920 fan base. Yeah, that was crazy. The Griselda fans are. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.520 They're very dedicated, but I love them now. At first, 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:04.120 they was a little mean to me when I first signed, 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:07.119 mean because I looked like this and they thought that 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:09.320 I couldn't wrap. Yeah, they probably wanted you to be like, 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:15.800 you know, two hundred and eighty pounds lesbian. Yes, I 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:17.440 wanted you to look like Queen La and set it 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:22.040 off right or be like super you know, yeah, yeah 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.840 for sure, Yo, what what is going on with Grizzelda? 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.679 They're over here signing pretty girl, right They like, is 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.240 she gonna be the backup dancer? Oh, they only signed 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.480 her because she's pretty. They're gonna be writing her rhymes. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.479 So like the first LISZ was me just proving all 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.800 that shit wrong. So that's why I came out swinging, 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:38.640 like I mean yeah, and you did a good job 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.360 with that. Thank you? Do you can you share some 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.440 of the insight because I feel like Gun is somebody 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:48.879 who is influenced, so influencing a lot of culture in 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.159 hip hop, whether or not people want to't acknowledge it. 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:56.560 He's very smart. He's a master curator. Of course he's 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.239 an incredible rapper as well, but just in terms of 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:02.480 just like his mark being prow as, his business prowers. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.840 Like what are some of the things that you were 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.880 able to pick up from him since recent like since 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:14.639 again coming to Griselda officially, just watching watching the moves 0:20:14.680 --> 0:20:17.199 that he makes, Watching how he knows how to like 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.239 cultivate you know, artwork and you know bridge it with 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.399 the music. Knowing like his influence like over the Griselda 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:29.639 fans and how like they're very big on just the suspense, 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:34.080 the the merch, you know, like those are all things 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.920 that like a lot of new age people aren't really doing, 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.679 and me, as a woman and as an entrepreneur, like 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.080 that's always motivation because I want to take what he 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.560 doing and take it even further, you know what I'm saying, 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.040 and even do it my way. Because I'm a woman, 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.199