WEBVTT - Welcome to Gotham City with Jenna Tonelli

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where old balls,

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<v Speaker 1>new balls, steel balls, cold balls is the new One fish,

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<v Speaker 1>two fish, redfish, bluefish. Thanks Frankie de la Creta. On

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<v Speaker 1>today's show, we'll be talking to NWSL reporter Jennet Tanelli

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<v Speaker 1>about the continued outrage over NWSL Boston's big name reveal,

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<v Speaker 1>Gotham's Olympic star power, and the growing gap between NWSL clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus Game three of the WNBA Finals, more fallout from

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<v Speaker 1>Canada's drone Gate, and an update on an important shot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all coming up right after this Welcome back slices.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what you need to know today in WNBA Finals News.

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<v Speaker 1>We're recording this Wednesday while I get ready for the

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<v Speaker 1>big Women's Sports Foundation gala in New York City. I

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<v Speaker 1>will no doubt be watching Game three on my phone

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<v Speaker 1>from my seat at the gala, so we'll have plenty

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<v Speaker 1>to say about the game, and we'll get you ready

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<v Speaker 1>for Game four tomorrow. For now, congrats to the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Liberty on their big win Wednesday. How about that

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<v Speaker 1>shot and that other play and could you believe that

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<v Speaker 1>one moment? Whoof more to come on all that tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>In other WNBA news. Ahead of Game three of the Finals,

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<v Speaker 1>Liberty star Brianna Stewart said that her wife Marta, a

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<v Speaker 1>retired former pro herself, received a threatening anti gay email

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<v Speaker 1>following the Liberty's Game one loss against the Links. Per ESPN,

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart reported the incident to the Liberty and the league,

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<v Speaker 1>with her wife Marta filing a report with the police.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what Stuart told the ESPN's Malika Andrews.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes people are taking things a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>too far and too out of context, and Martin had gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Homophobic death threats.

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<v Speaker 2>A few other things have happened, But just making sure

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<v Speaker 2>that we're doing as much as possible to continue to

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<v Speaker 2>aware or make sure that our team and the league

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<v Speaker 2>is aware of the situation and continue to keep everybody safe.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all just a reminder that the toxicity experienced by

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<v Speaker 1>players this season isn't just reserved for online harassment Elsewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in pro hoops news and if yousa call youer and brand,

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<v Speaker 1>Stewart's Unrivaled League keeps making headlines. The league and TNT

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<v Speaker 1>Sports have entered a multi year media rights partnership, starting

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<v Speaker 1>with Unrivaled's inaugural season Live games will air exclusively on

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<v Speaker 1>TNT and True TV, and all games will also stream

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<v Speaker 1>on Max. TNT will broadcast games on Mondays and Fridays,

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<v Speaker 1>and move to True TV on Saturdays. That means more

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<v Speaker 1>than forty five primetime regular season matchups will be featured

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<v Speaker 1>three nights a week across TNT sports platforms. We are

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<v Speaker 1>so here for It. Unrivaled tips off on January seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five to the NWSL. Fallout continues after the

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<v Speaker 1>NWSL Boston team revealed its name Boss Nation in a

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<v Speaker 1>marketing campaign centered on the idea of too Many Balls,

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<v Speaker 1>including a video that shouted out the Patriots, Red Sox,

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<v Speaker 1>Brew and Celtics, and Revolution all men's teams while conspicuously

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<v Speaker 1>ignoring the PWHL, Boston Fleet and other women's teams. After

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<v Speaker 1>reactions ranging from unimpressed to outraged, the too Many Balls

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<v Speaker 1>video has just about disappeared from the Internet, and the

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<v Speaker 1>ad agency that was hired for the campaign wiped all

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<v Speaker 1>involvement from their Instagram page. Don't worry, we saved a

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<v Speaker 1>copy for posterity. The campaign was also condemned for being transphobic,

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<v Speaker 1>including by the Seattle Rains Quinn, who is non binary.

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<v Speaker 1>The midfielder commented quote feels transphobic Yike's end quote on

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<v Speaker 1>the brand rollout video posted on Instagram by the NWSL

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<v Speaker 1>and NWSL Boston. It's not clear how it happened, whether

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<v Speaker 1>a moderator hit the post or it was the Instagram algorithm,

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<v Speaker 1>but that comment from Quinn was no longer visible. Later

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<v Speaker 1>in the day, they followed up with quote, love how

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<v Speaker 1>my comment was quote unquote hidden by Instagram calling out

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<v Speaker 1>transphobia shouldn't be hidden. This doesn't represent the league and

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<v Speaker 1>it is such poor messaging end quote. This is sure

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<v Speaker 1>to be a case study in marketing and sports business

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<v Speaker 1>courses for years to come. The question is whether it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be a study of failure or of the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>pivot and respond to feedback. It's up to Boss Nation

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<v Speaker 1>leadership now dig in or make a change. The team

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<v Speaker 1>did issue an apology on Wednesday, saying, in part quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we fully acknowledged that the content of the campaign did

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<v Speaker 1>not reflect the safe and welcoming environment we strive to

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<v Speaker 1>create for all, and we apologize to the LGBTQ plus

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<v Speaker 1>community and to the trans community in particular, for the

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<v Speaker 1>hurt that we caused. Quote. The team went on to

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<v Speaker 1>thank fans for holding them accountable and committed to do

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<v Speaker 1>better moving forward. We'll discuss this further later in our

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<v Speaker 1>interview with Jenna, also an NWSL news The Off Season,

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<v Speaker 1>a reality TV docuseries, dropped a sneak peak trailer this

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<v Speaker 1>week ahead of its official release this Friday. You guys,

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<v Speaker 1>remember we told you about this. Partly produced by Midge Purse.

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<v Speaker 1>We could not be more excited to rot on our

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<v Speaker 1>couch watching all six episodes in one sitting. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>premise Heading into the twenty twenty four season, eleven NWSL

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<v Speaker 1>players spent two weeks in one house. Take a listen.

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<v Speaker 1>But dating is honestly so hard in the soccer world.

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<v Speaker 3>The gays, oh my gosh, there's so much drama.

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<v Speaker 1>The fans love it.

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<v Speaker 4>They'll make like a chart of all like the lesbian connection.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if there's even a team that doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a dating couple in it.

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<v Speaker 5>What if they bring it on the field, Like what

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<v Speaker 5>if this happens?

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<v Speaker 1>What if that happens. Honestly, everyone's been very professional that

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen. That's a lie. I just lied because I forgot. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. No, they haven't it has messed up teams,

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<v Speaker 1>footy and gay shit. Sign me up and more NWSL

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<v Speaker 1>news and you can hear by my tone you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell what's happening already another retirement. Angel City defender Merrett

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<v Speaker 1>Matthias announced via Instagram that this NWSL season will be

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<v Speaker 1>her last as a pro soccer player. Her caption pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much summed it up. She wrote, quote I came, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a shit up end quote legend, and that she

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<v Speaker 1>did because Matthias has been as staple in the NWSL

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<v Speaker 1>as long as it's existed. In fact, she played in

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<v Speaker 1>the league's first game ever back in twenty thirteen. She's

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<v Speaker 1>got three championships and three NWSL shields on her resume,

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<v Speaker 1>and also played for FC Kansas City, Seattle Rain, and

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina Courage. Over the course of her career, played

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<v Speaker 1>a big role with the Players Association as well, helping

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<v Speaker 1>orchestrate the league's new CBA. In her Instagram post, she

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<v Speaker 1>noted that fans can celebrate her career at the club's

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<v Speaker 1>last match on October twentieth, when Angel City takes on

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<v Speaker 1>the Utah Royals at Bemo Stadium. The game will miss you, Merit,

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<v Speaker 1>but we're all looking forward to the post retirement hangs.

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<v Speaker 1>Not very many people that are a better hang than

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<v Speaker 1>Merritt Matthias. In other soccer news, Canada Soccer has announced

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<v Speaker 1>that an interim coaching team will lead the squad for

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<v Speaker 1>its upcoming October twenty fifth friendly against Spain, rather than

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<v Speaker 1>a traditional singular head coach. This comes after the major

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<v Speaker 1>drone spying scandal that was revealed during the Paris Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>Head coach Bev Priestman was suspended and sent home from

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<v Speaker 1>the games. Now she remains suspended but on payroll during

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<v Speaker 1>this ongoing external Canada Soccer commissioned review into the scandal,

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<v Speaker 1>and an addition, has been banned by FIFA from taking

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<v Speaker 1>part in any soccer related activities for the next year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time for another edition of No Dumb Questions. Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>Reel wrote in to say, I have a dumb question

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<v Speaker 1>I should know the answer to since I've been listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Spain's teaching since the trifecta, but don't. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>the WNBA season scheduled the way it is. It begins

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<v Speaker 1>so soon after the close the nc DOUBLEA season, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems logical to start a bit later. Give the draft

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<v Speaker 1>picks time post March Madness and then have the postseason

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<v Speaker 1>go later into the fall. If we overlap a bit

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<v Speaker 1>with NHL NBA preseason, who cares? Was it set this

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<v Speaker 1>way to keep momentum going from March Madness or is

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<v Speaker 1>it just tradition and we're not willing to change. First

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<v Speaker 1>of all, Sarah, no dumb questions. It is such a

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<v Speaker 1>tight turnaround from the NCAA tourney to the draft to

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<v Speaker 1>the preseason, and with expansion, there will continue to be

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<v Speaker 1>a desire for more regular season games, making scheduling even tougher.

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<v Speaker 1>But ultimately, I think you hit the nail on the

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<v Speaker 1>head with the overlap bit. Not only is it tough

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<v Speaker 1>for the WNBA to compete with the NFL, the deeper

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<v Speaker 1>they go into October and November. Now they've got NHL

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<v Speaker 1>NBA College football, college hoops, and it's not just battling

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<v Speaker 1>for eyeballs, it's battling for television spots. It's a big

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<v Speaker 1>deal for the DOUBLEBA to get prime spots with TV

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<v Speaker 1>partners like ESPN and ABC, and that's tough to do

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<v Speaker 1>once all those other leagues and sports get going in earnest.

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<v Speaker 1>Even with the current schedule and the Olympic break this season.

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<v Speaker 1>The WNBA finals games so far have gone up against

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<v Speaker 1>Thursday night and Sunday football plus MLB Playoffs for Game three, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I've seen some folks complain about those

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<v Speaker 1>games happening smack dab in the middle of NFL Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>or Sunday, but ESPN ABC don't have football rights those days,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's when they've got airtime and want to put

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<v Speaker 1>up a competitive product. It's also worth mentioning that the

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<v Speaker 1>league has to schedule round those Olympic and Feeble World

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<v Speaker 1>Cup breaks during certain years, which makes it tougher. Expansion

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<v Speaker 1>feels inevitable. We already know regular season next year will

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<v Speaker 1>be forty four games, but I think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>try to keep it to a mostly summer sport as

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<v Speaker 1>best they can for now because of, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>competing eyeballs and competing TV spots. Also, while we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the topic of scheduling and the WNBA, Alex has some

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<v Speaker 1>actually rare positive news in rescheduling to report.

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<v Speaker 3>So the mnba's Minnesota Timberwolves have rescheduled a preseason game

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<v Speaker 3>that was supposed to be played tomorrow, aka the same

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<v Speaker 3>night that the Links are hosting Game four of the

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<v Speaker 3>WNBA Finals, but the Pimberwolves moved their game to tonight instead.

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<v Speaker 3>While this may not seem like a big deal, there

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<v Speaker 3>is actually a very long history of WNBA teams getting

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<v Speaker 3>bumped from their own venues during the playoffs, either for

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<v Speaker 3>MNBA preseason games or for other events. In twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 3>the Phoenix Mercury were bumped from home court during Round

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<v Speaker 3>one of the playoffs because of a Maluma concert. Then

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<v Speaker 3>in the semifinals, it was Disney on Ice that bumped

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<v Speaker 3>them for their first home game, and it initially looked

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<v Speaker 3>like they would get bumped for their second game too,

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<v Speaker 3>until the Phoenix Suns and La Lakers agreed to move

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<v Speaker 3>their game up. But that was a super last minute

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<v Speaker 3>decision that came at the eleventh hour, and honestly, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty one wasn't an outlier. There were a few years

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<v Speaker 3>there Diana Trozi and co. Played more of their home

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<v Speaker 3>playoff games not actually at home, and I get it,

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<v Speaker 3>venue scheduling is tough, but you have to out the

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<v Speaker 3>Timberwolves for being proactive here and making sure that this

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<v Speaker 3>did not become a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>We love it, We love good positive rescheduling news. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to take a quick break. When we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Jenna Toanelly talking NWSL. She covers the NWSL with

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<v Speaker 1>a focus on Gotham FC and the US women's national team,

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<v Speaker 1>with bylines and sports illustrated to equalize her esp Nation,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post and more. She's a diehard Buffalo

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<v Speaker 1>Bills fan and she'll take her defense of Candy Corn

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<v Speaker 1>with her to the grave. It's Jenna to Nelly, what's up, Jenna.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, you nailed it. That's me to a t.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much for having me and for that

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<v Speaker 5>amazing introduction.

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<v Speaker 1>There is so much to get to today, including the

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<v Speaker 1>team that you focus on, Gotham FC, and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get to it. But boy, did Boss Nation bump

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<v Speaker 1>those conversations off the top news stories today. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>you could really say they grabbed the women's soccer community

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<v Speaker 1>by the balls, Jenna, or god, as a friend said

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<v Speaker 1>this morning, their balls deep in feed. So let's go

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<v Speaker 1>through this piece by piece in your opinion and also

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<v Speaker 1>what you've seen from players and fans. Let's start with

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<v Speaker 1>the name. It's an anagram of Bostonian. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think of Boss Nation.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I kind of see where they were

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<v Speaker 5>going with the anagram. I kind of like where their

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<v Speaker 5>heads at. I love a name that like really reflects

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<v Speaker 5>the space and the area and like the history of

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<v Speaker 5>the place where a team is. But I think they

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<v Speaker 5>missed the mark on the name here. I think Boston

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<v Speaker 5>and just New England in general is just a place

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<v Speaker 5>that is so rich in history and sports history, and

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<v Speaker 5>there was probably a lot more than they could have

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<v Speaker 5>pulled on. And I actually saw a couple of people

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<v Speaker 5>on Twitter saying they should be like the Boston Coven

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<v Speaker 5>or love that which is, and I love the Boston Coven.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible, wicked Boston, Yes, so.

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<v Speaker 5>Good, exactly exactly. So I think they did miss the

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<v Speaker 5>mark a little bit on the name, although, as you

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<v Speaker 5>alluded to, not the most egregious part of that no

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<v Speaker 5>means no.

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<v Speaker 1>I I just don't think it makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds more like a supporter group being Nation. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes me think of like Hugo Boss. It made a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other people think of girl Boss, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not good or Boss Bitch. Also not something people are

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<v Speaker 1>really doing these days, and it's not really clever or

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<v Speaker 1>creative or fun right, it's just not very interesting. There's

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<v Speaker 1>I was exchanging texts with my friends Colley and Joshua

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<v Speaker 1>have been on the show together before, and we came

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<v Speaker 1>up with lots of funny ones like you know Duncan

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<v Speaker 1>FC or how about that Apple's FC? I think josh said,

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<v Speaker 1>Masshole United. I mean these are not real, but like,

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<v Speaker 1>because they made it so boring, it left us searching

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<v Speaker 1>for some fun and I think that's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>problem with it. Now. The name alone would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a meh if not for the brand rollout that really

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<v Speaker 1>pushed people away from the whole launch. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>the website too many balls dot com and the and

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<v Speaker 1>the brand video that seemed to have so many issues,

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<v Speaker 1>not the least of which was a rature of existing

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<v Speaker 1>female teams, both historically and current in the Boston area.

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<v Speaker 1>A real emphasis on making everything about men's sports, and

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<v Speaker 1>then here we are and you're ready for us, as

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<v Speaker 1>if women's sports wasn't already established enough to thrive and

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate on its own. And then the transphobic issue that

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<v Speaker 1>people came up with, the emphasis on genitalia and the

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<v Speaker 1>whole pun being on the things between your legs. What

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<v Speaker 1>have you heard and what was your opinion on the

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<v Speaker 1>too many balls rollout?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, well, I mean you definitely covered a lot of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I think it just missed the mark on

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<v Speaker 5>so many levels. It was extremely exclusionary, you know, with

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<v Speaker 5>the language around male, Genitalian. Just centering a women's sports

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<v Speaker 5>team around men. It was just very strange, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think again it just ignores this history that Boston does this.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, have we had the Boston Breakers previously in

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<v Speaker 5>the NWSL, We have you know, professional women's Hockey League

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<v Speaker 5>team already, Boston Fleet. I believe they're called in the area.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's just it was very disappointing again and it's

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<v Speaker 5>also almost similar to the name itself that it just

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't quite dip into this rich history and excitement around

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<v Speaker 5>women's sports that they could have really keyed into. Because

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<v Speaker 5>people are excited for this team. And you know something

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<v Speaker 5>I actually I was tweeting through it yesterday, some jokes

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<v Speaker 5>and some thoughts, but you know, one of the things

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<v Speaker 5>that I put out there was, you know, we as

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<v Speaker 5>a you know, a women's soccer community, we hate this

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<v Speaker 5>because we care because we want so badly for this

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<v Speaker 5>team to do well and to grab fans, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>both existing and new fans that are out there to

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<v Speaker 5>support this club. You know, Boston has a great history

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<v Speaker 5>with women's soccer and women's sports, and this just was

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<v Speaker 5>just so disappointing on so many levels. And it's disappointing,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're upset because we all care and we want

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<v Speaker 5>it to do as best it could be. And I

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<v Speaker 5>just don't understand. You know, I get it. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>they had a media agency. They came up with something

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<v Speaker 5>that they thought would be think in their own post

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<v Speaker 5>that I saw, actually your producer Alex put up they

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<v Speaker 5>called it wildly provocative, and I guess you could call

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<v Speaker 5>it that, and I, you know, I see that they're

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<v Speaker 5>trying to get a conversation going, but this was the

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<v Speaker 5>wrong conversation. And I'm just surprised that nobody in the

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<v Speaker 5>room thought, eh, hey, you know, maybe we should consider

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<v Speaker 5>other directions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think your point is a good one, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in established men's leagues when teams that are not ours

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<v Speaker 1>trip up, we love it. We are like whoop see,

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<v Speaker 1>especially Boston. Boston is such a fun place to hate, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I'm a New Yorker, so yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead, because in the women's sports world, the rising

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<v Speaker 1>tide lifts all boats because we want growth.

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<v Speaker 6>And.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for Iron just sharpened by having other teams

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<v Speaker 1>come and push teams to spend more and invest more

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<v Speaker 1>and be more creative and be better. We are as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole community rooting for them. We're like Tyra Banks

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<v Speaker 1>on America's Next we were rooting for you. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>rooting for you. And then when this happens, I think

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<v Speaker 1>somebody posted like this is an impressive thing. When the

0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.880
<v Speaker 1>entire women's sports, women's soccer community can get together and

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<v Speaker 1>hate the same thing, it's really bringing us together. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's disappointing. Now. We've seen teams double back in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>including Racing Louisville, which was going to be Proof Louisville FC,

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<v Speaker 1>but pivoted after an underwhelming response. We saw in the

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<v Speaker 1>PWHL there were copyrights that were found in trademarks that

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<v Speaker 1>were found and unearthed, and then when they got to

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<v Speaker 1>the public and weren't well received, they also want a

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<v Speaker 1>different direction. So do you think there's a chance that

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<v Speaker 1>Boston will rethink this?

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<v Speaker 5>I sure hope. So I think I'm inclined to think yes,

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<v Speaker 5>because I've seen them take down a lot of the

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<v Speaker 5>videos and the posts, the website and actually the domain

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<v Speaker 5>name too many balls dot com is back up for

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<v Speaker 5>sale now.

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<v Speaker 1>Available, y'all.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So, so signs point to some sort of reconsideration

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<v Speaker 7>of at least the messaging, you know, and again with

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<v Speaker 7>the name, it.

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<v Speaker 5>Is just so meh. But there's there's so much time.

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<v Speaker 5>They have, months and months that they could take to

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<v Speaker 5>just go back to the drying board and redo this

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<v Speaker 5>and have additional input in and you know, bring in

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<v Speaker 5>some of these former players who you know made say

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<v Speaker 5>Tory Houston, Sam UIs, especially sam Us, I mean, you

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<v Speaker 5>know New Englander, the US Sisters top New Englander soccer players.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think that there's definitely room for improvement, and

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<v Speaker 5>I the signs look like they're going to take it

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<v Speaker 5>under invisement, and I sure hope they do.

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Ewis tweeted out as a Massachusetts native, I really

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<v Speaker 1>want NWSL Boston to succeed. I also want to shout

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<v Speaker 1>out p WHL Boston, bean down RFC and go renegades

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<v Speaker 1>as existing women's pro sports teams here to support and

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty eight Underscore Carlisle wrote, imagine fumbling the unveiling

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<v Speaker 1>of a Boston women's soccer team so badly that you

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<v Speaker 1>made Sam Ewis mad, which I think is a very

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<v Speaker 1>good point, and I think you're right, Sam call number one. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam should be called number one, and a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>other players. I think it's a pretty homogeneous ownershipship group,

0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of them at backgrounds and men's sports, which

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<v Speaker 1>might be why they went this way. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>time to reach out to people in the women's space

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<v Speaker 1>who are deeply embedded in women's sports and know that

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<v Speaker 1>people will be on your side if you listen and change.

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<v Speaker 1>It will be embarrassing, but far less embarrassing than digging

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<v Speaker 1>your heels and sticking with this and then having to

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<v Speaker 1>redo it a couple of years down the line when

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<v Speaker 1>it's already made things so much worse for you. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if they stick with this name in this branding, or

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<v Speaker 1>even if they change and adjust based on feedback, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that they can do in the immediate

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<v Speaker 1>future to make Boston fans and women's soccer fans in

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<v Speaker 1>general feel confident about their leadership and their decision making

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<v Speaker 1>going forward. Because Alex and I talked about this yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>The fear here is that if this is the lens

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<v Speaker 1>through which you're looking at a naming and branding, what

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<v Speaker 1>lens are you looking through for a full team and

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<v Speaker 1>operations and future.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a great point. I mean, I think there was

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<v Speaker 5>a good start today. They did release an apology, especially

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<v Speaker 5>about the messaging of the marketing campaign, so I think

0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.600
<v Speaker 5>that is always a great start, and they acknowledge that,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, it was not the right direction, and especially

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<v Speaker 5>with some of the transphobic undertones. So I'm very glad

0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 5>that that was posted. But I think, you know, women's

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<v Speaker 5>sports right now, and especially in the NWSL, is at

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<v Speaker 5>such an interesting point where it's still so you know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's still growing, and you have the chance to make

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<v Speaker 5>a huge impact and help grow this game at a

0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:29.720
<v Speaker 5>time where it's growing in leaps and bounds like we've

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<v Speaker 5>not seen before, but still tap into that rich history

0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.760
<v Speaker 5>and people who have been here and can help you

0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:41.160
<v Speaker 5>direct that. So it's it's unfortunate that that didn't seem

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<v Speaker 5>to happen here, but I hope that they will now

0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.560
<v Speaker 5>take some of the feedback that they've gotten, go back

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<v Speaker 5>have these conversations with the sam Uises of the world

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<v Speaker 5>and try to come up with an idea that is

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<v Speaker 5>going to bring together, like I was saying before, existing fans,

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<v Speaker 5>but also new fans, because I think this marketing campaign,

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<v Speaker 5>if I try to take a step back and say, okay,

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:05.360
<v Speaker 5>like what were they thinking, does it maybe somebody who

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't really know too much about women's sports in Boston

0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 5>and they see this campaign and they go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>you know what, there really are a lot of men's

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 5>teams but not a lot of women's teams. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 5>get that, you know, I can see where maybe the

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<v Speaker 5>line of thinking was, but that but you but it

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<v Speaker 5>just so missed the mark on any fan, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>being interested in this team. I just would sincerely hope

0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 5>that they can take a step back and they can

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<v Speaker 5>say we hear you were listening, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>you know, change X y Z. And also I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's really important that they you know, that they show

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<v Speaker 5>that they do take fan feedback and because these are

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<v Speaker 5>the people that are going to come to your games

0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.119
<v Speaker 5>and they're going to pay for tickets and they are

0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.639
<v Speaker 5>going to buy your merch and you know, sports is

0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.320
<v Speaker 5>for the fans. So if you're not listening to the fans,

0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:55.920
<v Speaker 5>then you you know you're not gonna have a successful franchise.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if there's anything Boston can do, it's reach back

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:01.440
<v Speaker 1>into their history, brag about their winning culture. And I

0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:03.880
<v Speaker 1>think there's ways to do both things in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that also centers centers women. So we look forward to

0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the second round. You could do it Spas Nation. Absolutely,

0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Let's get to NWSL broadly, this league is known for parody,

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<v Speaker 1>but this season there is a big gap between first

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<v Speaker 1>and last. What to what do you attribute that gap?

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<v Speaker 5>Coaching? I really think that we have seen this league

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<v Speaker 5>take a big step forward in terms of coaching. It's

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<v Speaker 5>if you look at the coaches of the top four teams.

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<v Speaker 5>You know Gotham, what one Carlo Samros was able to

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<v Speaker 5>do with with Gotham. You know, he coached in Spain,

0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.760
<v Speaker 5>he coached in England, he came over here and he

0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:44.040
<v Speaker 5>really put a unique style on that team. Black Gowandanowsky,

0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:46.439
<v Speaker 5>who you know obviously didn't have the best tenure as

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:48.520
<v Speaker 5>a national team manager, but if you look back on

0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:52.399
<v Speaker 5>his league management, it's just leaps and bounds ahead of

0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:55.920
<v Speaker 5>so many other folks. Uh seb Hines over in Orlando,

0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.280
<v Speaker 5>I think has done a fantastic job over there as

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.959
<v Speaker 5>well Washington Spirit bringing over the former Barcelona coach. So

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<v Speaker 5>I really think the difference this year has has been coaching.

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<v Speaker 5>If you look at some of the other teams, you know,

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.720
<v Speaker 5>Utah Royals had had some turnover and they're coaching. You know,

0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 5>some other teams had some kind of newer coaches to

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<v Speaker 5>the league or you know, I hadn't been around before.

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<v Speaker 5>So to me, that's the number one difference between those

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<v Speaker 5>top five juggernaut teams is you know, bringing in some

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<v Speaker 5>really talented, you know, big resume coaches that have been

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<v Speaker 5>able to put their mark on these teams in a

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<v Speaker 5>unique way.

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<v Speaker 1>I would even argue, being as biased as I am

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<v Speaker 1>from Chicago, that Louren Donaldson, the job that he's done

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago getting them to be a playoff team despite

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<v Speaker 1>a number of factors, is impressive. Eight points separate the

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<v Speaker 1>number one Orlando Pride and the number four k C Current.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's a ten point drop off to fifth place,

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<v Speaker 1>where the North Carolina Courage are. Do you consider that

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<v Speaker 1>top four tier the true contenders or are there any

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<v Speaker 1>lower seated teams that you could see primed for an upset?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the thing, even though the parody has not

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<v Speaker 5>been as it has in the past, and the NWSL

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<v Speaker 5>it's still a league where anything could happen. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>look at Portland's upset over Orlando, which, to be fair,

0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.120
<v Speaker 5>Orlando had clinched the shield and you know now they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to do a little bit of rotation and look

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<v Speaker 5>towards the playoffs. But it is still a league where

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<v Speaker 5>anything can happen. And I think your point about Chicago

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<v Speaker 5>is actually really important. I was just talking to some

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 5>of my colleagues at Sports Illustrated about Chicago specifically because

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<v Speaker 5>I've been so impressed with that team. A lot of

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 5>people think of that team, They're like, oh, they just

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<v Speaker 5>have mouse wantson and a listena or and that's it,

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:33.199
<v Speaker 5>But that is so not true. I think Lauren has

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<v Speaker 5>done a fantastic job with that team, and it's been

0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 5>a team where each individual player has truly stepped up

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<v Speaker 5>at different moments when they're needed and has propelled them

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<v Speaker 5>to a playoff position. So I wouldn't be surprised to

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<v Speaker 5>see a Chicago restoroce or a North Carolina Courage get

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<v Speaker 5>an upset those last two playoff spots. Portland Thorne's of

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<v Speaker 5>as you're in there right now. I don't see those

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<v Speaker 5>two teams upsetting any of the top four, but again

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<v Speaker 5>it's it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, last year Gotam one out of the sixth seed,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, so right, you just you just never know. Hey,

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>speaking to Gotham, I want to talk about them because

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<v Speaker 1>that's your main beat.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Seven Olympians, six of them gold medalists with Team USA.

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<v Speaker 1>How has this Gotham team handled balancing egos and expectations,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping everybody happy, getting everyone in the ball, all the

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>usual super team issues. How have they done that this year?

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<v Speaker 5>Gotham has been a team this year that has relied

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<v Speaker 5>extensively on its deep bench. They are playing multiple competitions

0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:40.280
<v Speaker 5>regular season. The CONCA calf Women's Championship, they blamed, the

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 5>Challenge Cup. They played in the what's it called the

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 5>Summer Cup with the finals in October, so I always

0:24:46.960 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 5>get I'm like, oh, it's a Summer Cup, but it's

0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:52.000
<v Speaker 5>in October. So I think that they had This has

0:24:52.040 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 5>allowed the team to get a lot of people playing time,

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<v Speaker 5>and you've seen a lot of different combinations, especially defensively.

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.360
<v Speaker 5>We've seen a lot of different combinations back there with

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 5>Emily Sonnet Hearna Davidson, Matane Manny Freeman and just you know,

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<v Speaker 5>making sure that everybody is on the same page and

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.919
<v Speaker 5>contributing to the team. And something I find very interesting

0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 5>about Gotham and their style is that they you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you when you watch them on the field, They're rotating

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 5>positions quite a lot. You'll see Neilie Martin drop back

0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:25.320
<v Speaker 5>and you know, in like a defensive position, or you'll

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.400
<v Speaker 5>see you know, Tierna Davis and like push up high centrally,

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.919
<v Speaker 5>and it's it's just a team that everybody knows not

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:34.880
<v Speaker 5>only their role, but their teammates roles, so they're able

0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:37.240
<v Speaker 5>to slot in when needed. And that's also been a

0:25:37.280 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 5>significant boost to Gotham this season, is that they all

0:25:40.240 --> 0:25:42.440
<v Speaker 5>understand what they're supposed to be doing and then they

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 5>execute on it. I also credit Yayali Ever Bush West

0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 5>and the general manager and Juan Carlos the coach, to

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 5>have created an environment where I think a lot of

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 5>these players are really thriving and playing some of their

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<v Speaker 5>best soccer. It's it's been incredible to see. I mean

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<v Speaker 5>I talk the other day, I put out an article

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<v Speaker 5>on my personal substack about Delaney she In. She is

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<v Speaker 5>a midfielder who has started all but one game for

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<v Speaker 5>Golf of this season and flies completely under the radar,

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 5>but she's been integral to that team and to that

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.480
<v Speaker 5>midfield So I think just giving everybody opportunities and having

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:22.959
<v Speaker 5>players earn their opportunities and just letting them shine and

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 5>be creative on the field. You know this is Roosevelt

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 5>has been playing amazing this season, getting a lot of

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 5>club minutes, which you know we don't always see for

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:34.440
<v Speaker 5>Rose Emily Sonnet I think has started every shield missed

0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.160
<v Speaker 5>one game this season because of yellow card accumulation this weekend.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's just been incredible to see what this team

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 5>has done and it's really worked. And people were skeptical

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 5>because with the super team, you never know, but it's

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:46.359
<v Speaker 5>really worked.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a couple of the unsung heroes like Delaney

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<v Speaker 1>she and where can people read about them? You've said

0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.000
<v Speaker 1>you've you've written a bit about them.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so, I recently on my substack Jenna sources linked

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<v Speaker 5>to it in my Twitter bio and Instagram bio, I

0:26:59.760 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 5>did an in depth dive on Delaney Shehan. I also

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 5>think that Yasmine Ryan has been an incredible player for

0:27:06.560 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 5>Gotham a winger forward. She's got four goals for assists

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:13.880
<v Speaker 5>on the regular season and that's not even going into

0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:19.440
<v Speaker 5>the Summer Cup or the CONCACAF tournament. And I did

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<v Speaker 5>a piece on her earlier this year in Hudson River Blue,

0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 5>which is a local New York City website that covers

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:29.120
<v Speaker 5>primarily NYCFC but also Gotham as well. I think she's

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 5>been fantastic. And also Neelie Martin midfielder who anybody who

0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.080
<v Speaker 5>knows me knows. I'm obsessed with the fact that in

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.160
<v Speaker 5>the final last year she had to go into goal

0:27:38.240 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 5>because many Hawk got a red card in the dying

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 5>minutes and that's just my favorite bit of Gotham lore

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 5>these days. But she's also just an incredible midfielder and

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 5>her positioning on the field and her ability to connect

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:53.720
<v Speaker 5>passes has just been also crucial, crucial, crucial for Gotham

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 5>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Jennas sources sub stack is where you can

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<v Speaker 1>find that, and she links to it in her Twitter bile,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll put in our show notes. Last question, quick

0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:05.760
<v Speaker 1>about Gotham clinched the first playoff home game in history.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that mean for this team, especially as they're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to win back to back championships.

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<v Speaker 5>It means so much. And you know, of course, you

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 5>you know, the fans want to see another championship win.

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:16.160
<v Speaker 5>But I think for you know, for me, as somebody

0:28:16.200 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 5>who was a longtime Sky Blue fan started covering the

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 5>team then they became Gotham, saw this whole transition from

0:28:22.480 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 5>playing at Rutgers University in New Jersey to playing at

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:28.320
<v Speaker 5>one of the best soccer stadiums in North America. It's

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 5>just been incredible to see that growth. And I think

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 5>for the players, you know, some of them are newer

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:35.600
<v Speaker 5>to the team, some of them have been there for

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 5>a long time. I think Mandy Freeman has been there

0:28:38.520 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 5>since twenty seventeen. I believe she was drafted there, so

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 5>has just really you know this, it's just such a

0:28:44.240 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 5>marker of how far this team has come. That in

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.280
<v Speaker 5>their entire history, they've never had a home playoff game

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 5>and to be able to do that at Red Bull

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.840
<v Speaker 5>Arena and have that celebration with the fans and for

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:57.280
<v Speaker 5>the players to have contributed to the growth of this

0:28:57.360 --> 0:28:59.560
<v Speaker 5>team is just so important and it just such a

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 5>huge mart of how far they've come.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's been a lot of drama in the NWSL

0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>in recent years, whether it was serious stuff like toxic

0:29:07.520 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>coaching or forced ownership overhauls or lawsuits, to just dramatic

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 1>changes in revenue and investment and ownership groups and kind

0:29:15.520 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of established some haves or have nots. Gotham is a

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>great example of a team that was a have not.

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>It was mocked at times in the past in the

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>Sky Blue FC years subpar resources and facilities, but they

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>underwent a hugely successful rebranding ahem, Boss Nation. They got

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>new leadership last year, they became a championship winning team

0:29:36.440 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>on the field. What can other teams in the league

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>learn from the sky Blue to Gotham transition.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the thing to me that sticks out the

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 5>most is that ownership and the investors and the team

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 5>and the ownership put their money where their mouth was.

0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 5>But more than that is that they brought in a

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:59.480
<v Speaker 5>leader like Yayell to put that vision into place. And

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 5>I think and I think it takes both things. It

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 5>takes money because clearly, as we've seen with the Boss

0:30:05.080 --> 0:30:07.200
<v Speaker 5>Nation money, money isn't always going to get to where

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 5>you need to be. But I think it's it's the

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.640
<v Speaker 5>investment and the trust and bringing in somebody who who cares,

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 5>who knows, And it's in every conversation I've ever had

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:20.120
<v Speaker 5>with Yayel, you know, we always talk about, well, these

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 5>are the things I didn't have when I was a player,

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 5>and so what are the things that I know that

0:30:24.720 --> 0:30:27.959
<v Speaker 5>players need to succeed? What do players want? And just

0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 5>having that lens as a former player to manage this

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 5>team I think has been everything. And you know, one

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 5>of the things that she said to me was, you know,

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 5>players want to be in a place where they're supported

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 5>and they can play and be their best sells. Whether

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 5>that means they're starting, they're on the bench, their wave, whatever,

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.000
<v Speaker 5>it means that they were given the opportunity and they

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:48.800
<v Speaker 5>were given the support that they needed to be at

0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 5>their best. And I think you really see that with Gotham,

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 5>and so I really do credit what Yayelle has been

0:30:54.120 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 5>able to do with this team and the fact that

0:30:56.520 --> 0:30:59.920
<v Speaker 5>ownership put their trust and money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I could not agree more. It is money, of course,

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>it is investment, but listening to the right people who

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>tell you where to put that money, how to spend it,

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:12.920
<v Speaker 1>and how to do the things that will matter to

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the athletes that make them want to stay, that make

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 1>them want to play hard, that make them want to

0:31:16.560 --> 0:31:19.360
<v Speaker 1>fight for Your team and your brand is massive, and

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 1>it's been really cool to see that happen for the

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 1>Gotham side and a lesson for a lot of other teams. Jenna,

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for the time. We look forward to

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>hearing more from you as the season wraps up and

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs start.

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure.

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:37.479
<v Speaker 1>We got to pay the bills when we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's take a trip down memory lane and spin a

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>tale about mister Purple Rain. Hey that run. That's next.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back Slices. With Games three and four of the

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.920
<v Speaker 1>WNBA Finals in Minneapolis, it felt like a great time

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.040
<v Speaker 1>to add a legendary links story to the hallowed halls

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>of the Good Game Hall of Fame. Yes, the Good

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Game Hall of Fame, where we celebrate women's sports lore,

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the kind of legendary stories that we should all know

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>by heart. The way we can you know immediately picture

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Tom Brady Hammered throwing the Lombardi Trophy on a boat

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 1>in the Buck Super Bowl Parade, or the way we

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:21.080
<v Speaker 1>can recite Kevin Durant' you the REALVP speech to his mom.

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>We got some catching up to do in women's sports.

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<v Speaker 1>So grab another plaque and find a good place on

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>the wall because we've got another inductee. Go with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to twenty eighteen. The Super Bowl was in Minneapolis

0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:36.080
<v Speaker 1>and Link's legend and four time WNBA champ Lindsay Whalen,

0:32:36.240 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>was showing me around town for an espnW feature. We

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>went to some of her favorite coffee shops, bars, and hotels,

0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and at one stop she told me an epic tale

0:32:45.520 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 1>of the entire Links team celebrating their twenty fifteen championship

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>win with none other than Minnesota Links superfan Prince. Here's

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>that story I.

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<v Speaker 4>Want to talk about. Twenty fifteen. You win the WNBA championship.

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<v Speaker 4>Prince is a huge of the team, comes to your

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 4>game and invites you all over to his house.

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:04.520
<v Speaker 1>It was unbelievable.

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 6>We so we win the championship and it was in

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 6>Game five against Indiana. You know, tough series, tough season.

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<v Speaker 1>We win.

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<v Speaker 6>So the confetti's coming down and we're in the locker

0:33:14.520 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 6>room and we got the champagne going and our GM

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 6>comes in and he screams out. And after this we're

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 6>going to Paisley Park. You know, Prince is doing a

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:24.400
<v Speaker 6>concert for us, so he was on the keyboard right

0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:26.080
<v Speaker 6>as I walked in. It's just like one of those

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:28.920
<v Speaker 6>kind of surreal things that I'll never forget. And then

0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 6>he played well into the night. I think he played

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:34.240
<v Speaker 6>till four or five in the morning. At the end

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:36.440
<v Speaker 6>of the night, he was riding his bike around in

0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.400
<v Speaker 6>the parking lot. We get our logo on his big

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.840
<v Speaker 6>screen behind the stage. Congratuations links twenty fifteen champs.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to think that when you.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys won the title, he was sitting on the sidelines

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<v Speaker 4>and he said loudly, game louses.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to.

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<v Speaker 6>Think that We'll never no I was I was waiting

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<v Speaker 6>on the pancakes. Yeah, you know, I was waiting on pancakescakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Rip p. That is a hell of a way to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate a win. Welcome to the Good Game Hall of Fame, Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>to end our debate jump shot or medical shot? In

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<v Speaker 1>case you missed it. On Monday show, Mish and I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that we both interpreted Benije Lannie Hamilton's interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Holly Row differently. Benija said that shot finally kicked in,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mesh thought she meant medical shot, while I thought

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<v Speaker 1>she meant her jump shot. Erica got to the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of it for us. Here she is asking Benija about

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<v Speaker 1>it ahead of Game three.

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<v Speaker 5>I was curious, did you mean your jump shot or

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<v Speaker 5>were you referring to a different type of shot both.

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