WEBVTT - V For Vendetta (Part 2) 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.720 There were plenty of options for our first graphic novel 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:09.680 adaptation to choose from, but I think there are very 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.320 few that would be more appropriate for November than v 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:16.840 for Vendetta. This is part two of our conversation and 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.040 we were left with several questions last week, like what 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.160 is going to happen to Evie? And is v secretly 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.080 a theater kid? That line and it is like you 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:28.280 are already in prison, Evie. I just showed you the 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:36.480 bars every every polly Side theater major. He's a theater 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:40.600 major who took one polly Side class. Welcome back to 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.920 Popcorn Book Club. This week we continue our discussion on 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:48.800 Viva Vendetta with book two, this Vicious Cabaret. I'm Dani Schwartz, 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:52.600 joined as always by Jennifer Right, Tantran Karamadanqua, and Melissa Hunter. 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:57.880 Welcome back, guys. Hi Hi. He right off that, I 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:05.200 want to say I love that this star with a song. Yeah. Yeah, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.680 There's a lot of work involved and it's like, oh, 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:11.120 I have to read sheet music and look at comic panels. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.200 There's a lot that's happening. And it goes again into 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:17.200 the theatricality that we talked about last week, and I 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.039 like the title Vicious Cabaret. It did also take me 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.520 nine chapters into this book book too, to realize that 0:01:23.840 --> 0:01:26.080 all of the chapters start with a letter V. I 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:32.400 am stupid that until you said so, I'm sorry. I'm 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.800 gonna brag and say I figured it out right away. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.520 Can I read sheet music? Because I can't, and I 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:42.200 don't have a piano. I can, but I am not 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.120 good at it. So I kind of looked at it 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.080 and I was like, oh, that's cute, it's music, and 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:49.080 did no effort to figure out what it sounded like. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.680 I'm sure if we went online we would find super 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:55.440 fans have performed this song in its entirety. It's kind 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:59.040 even a little bit. It's kind of funny, little like 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.320 ironic racist ditty, you know, like an ironic ditty about 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:09.720 racism in the way that the film and musical Cabaret are. Uh. Yes, 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:11.960 I thought it was like a good song. Good for 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.040 you be writing a song for no one to hear, 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.160 I guess except Ev maybe at this point he can 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:21.919 hear it's for him, Dana. Some people do things for themselves. No, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:26.080 you have to document everything, so no, you don't independent 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.040 and self possessed. He can just do things. It's all 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.120 self care, Dana. He does have an un level disco 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:36.120 room in his in his bungalow. To your point about 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.160 documenting everything, though, the fact that it is sheet music 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.800 is interesting because it does leave a paper trail for 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:44.639 people to then follow, and that's kind of one of 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.720 the things about fascist governments is that they don't want 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:50.280 art first of all. So it's interesting that it's music, 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.520 not a manifesto. It's a song. And songs also because 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.600 you can hear them as well as write them down, 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.959 do contribute to oral tradition. You can't take away some 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.200 of these memory. One thing that I do love about 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:05.320 v as a character, I think he's a very fun 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.240 character just in terms of everything, all of his weirdness 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:12.720 and contradictions. He's someone who believes that the revolution I 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:14.920 mean to quote him should have dancing, but he like 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.960 fundamentally loves the power of art, and he's like, this 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.560 is what we're fighting for. This is, you know, movies 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.679 and songs and dancing. Like I I do think that 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:28.080 that's always an important an important thing to remember and 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:36.120 dramatic artistic yeah, singing murder daddy, Yeah, this goes right 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.360 into murder daddy stuff, because it goes from there into 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.000 them dancing, and she's like, I've never thanked you should 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.440 be and he's like, don't fancy me and then kicks 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.560 kicks her out and then he says I'm not your father, ef, 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:54.120 which maybe I don't know, and then I'm sorry, was 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.040 he a broom? At the end? What happened? He made 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:02.360 like a dummy? A dummy, Yeah, like a scarecrow. I meant, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:06.320 I said dummy, which is a really beautiful I think 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.600 foreshadowing of the end of this book, which we won't 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.200 get into the details yet, but um, there's this sort 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.960 of elaborate ruse that happens where she's outside, she's been blindfolded, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:19.520 and now she thinks she's talking to me, and then 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.039 it turns out it's not him at all, and that 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.280 there's been a trick that's been played on her, and 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.200 she is sort of she has rug pulled from under her. 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.960 She's like, wait, I'm alone. She realizes, boy, she's gonna 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:32.800 have a lot of tricks played on her. What a 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:37.000 way to be ghosted If someone did that to me 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:39.120 when I was dating them, and I like walked out 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:47.440 and then they were a coat rack. This is also 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.279 the lowest tech of all of his little little thing. 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.120 Yeah yeah, and then she's just out in the world 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.960 for herself. He also must have recorded in advance because 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:01.720 then when she's out on the street and listen to 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:05.760 him talk, he says things like I'm not your father, Evie. 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.200 So presumably the day before he was inside with a 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.880 recorder planning your your father is dead, Evie, I'm not 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:19.279 your father, waiting and hold a beat one too. He 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:22.080 definitely recorded a few times because he didn't get the 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.440 timing right. He had to imagine what she would say 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:27.560 bad kind of play out a different a few options, 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:32.120 do you all? I like thinking too, that she's walking 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.960 around around him, like in the same area that he's recording, 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.880 so he has to be like, I'm not your dead, 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:48.440 just like sneaking in recordings. The logistics do not hold 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.160 up if you think about them for more than four 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.120 seconds of anything in this book, And I love that. 0:05:53.160 --> 0:05:56.680 I love that about it. It's but it's like refrigerator 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:00.880 refrigerator logic, right, like logic and movies and visas and books. 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.360 I've been taught, But maybe I think people have different 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:07.120 explanations but I've been told that a movie or screenplay 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.360 with refrigerator logic means it as you watch it, you're like, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.800 that's so cool, and then as you walk away to 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.359 the refrigerator to like get a drink or snack, you're like, 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:21.120 you start wait a second. In writer's rooms, I've heard 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.240 two versions of it. It's that or it's that like 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.760 you put something in the refrigerator and then you don't 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.600 think about what happens to it. But in between the 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.720 time that you go go and check it out when 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:41.159 the movie Sausage Party came in exactly, it's basically about 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:44.000 writers not wanting to do the do extra work. That's 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:49.200 what it is. Um Yeah, So to say the big 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.240 thing that sort of happened next and I want to 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:55.040 get to the Jordan's Tower break in and then Gordon 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:59.360 and then Evis end of book two thing which is big, 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.320 and we're going to get to that before we do. 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.200 Before we dive in, we get in the head of 0:07:04.520 --> 0:07:10.200 Rosemary Almond, who is this poor woman who's a violent, 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:16.320 abusive husband was murdered by the um good good but 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.640 now she's sort of bad for her she feels sort 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.960 of helpless. And then creepy co worker Dascomb, who I 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.000 thought was gay but or maybe it's gay or by 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:30.400 you don't get to be gay. Oh but like in 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.560 this not you. You could be gay if you wanted. 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.720 But in this book yes, in Creepy Infravenda England and 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.680 in Norse Fire England. But Roger Dascombe, who was like 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:48.920 had a prickly competition with her now dead husband, hits 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:52.520 on her and kind of like makes her, uh makes 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.040 her date him, and she sort of has to know 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.360 she's not getting any state support. Like it's made really 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.840 clear that the only and she's going to survive is 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.080 by finding another husband. And we've kind of seen what 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.880 the alternative is for women like Evie who don't have 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:14.600 traditional male support in their lives in this society. Um, 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:19.320 she's going to have to prostitute herself to someone and 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.160 we will find out. Luckily there's a cabaret and uh 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.800 we hope she can dance, because that is our only 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:33.040 career options Mary. This is Rosemary storyline. That's this is 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.800 what we get. She's in a downward spiral from like 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:39.800 the abused wife of a high party official to having 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.000 no options. I mean, she's also a really good representation 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:48.400 of kind of the casualty of these war that he's 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.199 killing these people and we feel good about it, but 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.480 there are people left behind, and people who might have 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.400 been completely innocent whose lives get a lot worse as 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.080 a result of beast murders. That's the frustrating thing I 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:05.160 feel about revolution is that there's always like people are like, 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.000 we need a revolution, we need a revolution, and they 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:11.560 don't disagree, but like, even bloodless revolutions still have casualties. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.520 And it is interesting to me that she's sort of 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.240 in the position of if any of you watched her 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.120 read The Handmaid's Tale, like the wife of them, the 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.360 guy whose name I'm forgetting now, where it's like Serena 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.160 Joy where she is in a while her husband was alive, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:30.800 she was sort of in a rarefied position where she 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:33.480 was sort of comfortable within this system. But this is 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.280 a system that is incredibly harsh to women and which 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:40.400 you know, options don't exist for them, and so once 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:45.040 that support drives up, she is very helpless, you know 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.640 what I mean. It's the women who sort of like 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.839 find ways to help themselves within the system and then 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.040 unfortunately do or don't realize that the system is not 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:59.800 designed to help them. Yeah. Uh but back to our 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.760 So that's sort of happening in the sideline, and you're like, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:04.800 I bet these stories are gonna come to a head 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.440 at some point. Uh. But we get a V story 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.520 where he breaks into the Jordan Tower, which is their 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.839 like transmission tower, and pulls that same goddamn stunt or 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:20.160 he has a fake V mask he was practicing. He 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:24.720 he has a stunt coordinator, a stunt coach that he 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:28.400 works with for all of these masks. Flip flip a use. 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:33.920 You know I love about the break into Georgian Tower 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.000 is that it starts with the security guards watching a 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.080 terrible TV show they're watching like Storm Saxton, which is 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:45.439 just about off white men forcefully gripping a blond lady 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:50.280 named Heidi and saying that he's going to kill black people. Um, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:54.640 and then comes in and does something that is so 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:59.559 much more theatrically interesting. Yes, and Coroma's face. I wish 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:04.440 the Pike else can see. It is the most racist, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:11.120 uh propaganda since Brave New World, I would say, and 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.360 the thing but like, I want to compare this to 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.560 Brave New World because I feel like Brave New World 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.559 I felt like all this Huxley was a fucking racist, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.240 but not that the world was racist, but that he 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:24.000 built a world that was racist because he was racist. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.240 And this felt like Alan Moore was documenting the way 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:31.840 that if our society continues to go unchecked, the racism 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:36.360 will continue to jump out of society. And it didn't 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.040 at any point feel like Alan Moore is a racist, 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.240 and in fact, it felt like he was very aware 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.920 of the position that he holds as a white person 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:49.280 and the position that white supremacy holds in our society. Yeah, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.480 I think so. And storm Sex in itself is a 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:56.359 very Nazi name, like Storm is the thing that's associated 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.040 with like you know, the Daily Storm or like the 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:04.280 Q Store, like like neo Nazis used storm Front. Yeah 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.000 it's like but like it's like Nazi thing. And and 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:10.920 Saxon is like like Anglo Saxon, like it is just 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:17.720 like his name is like Nazi mcnazi And yeah, it's 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:22.199 not subtle, but it's funny. I feel like Nazi mcnazi 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.360 would be a little great propaganda cartoon for like Nazis 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.880 for like a little child nazis Nazi mcnazi. We ad 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:36.079 mentioned the Nazi Mcnazi. We are not pitching that as 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.960 an idea just to letting every No, no, I don't 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.040 want to. I am pitching that as a satire, sort 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.520 of like a um, what's the what's the Nazi one 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:54.280 with with like a springtime or the producers? Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.680 that's his name. I just completely butchered and sorry Jews, 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.280 Jews and people of color. I think can make fun 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.839 of Hitler. That's my I like when they do that. 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:09.920 That's fun for me. Yes, people, I like when vu 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:16.440 The broadcast that he chooses almost feels like a sketch 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:21.360 comedy pitch where he's like, I'm firing England. I am 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:28.400 your boss, England is my employee. I'm gonna fire her. Um, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.920 that whole that whole little section was incredibly theatrical and 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:37.320 so fun to watch. And again another highly produced. He 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:42.760 who was the camera operator on that maybe set that 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:48.480 up on pay at a ring light and he had 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:52.600 a type section. You know, fortunately the contouring already came 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.920 with the mask. I didn't have to go through and 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.640 make up. Yeah, he does this, he does this really 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.880 cute little speech. She doesn't sketch, and then he jumps 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.080 through the glass as they shoot him or vice versa. 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:09.559 I guess he sort of comes. He maybe throws the 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:15.120 fake V dummy through and gets away because he pulled 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:20.720 it off. Meanwhile, our our other detective, detective Finch punches 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.880 dead Almonds replacement whose name is Creedy, who's even creepier 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.760 than Almond. Um. And so now he's on a nice 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:34.480 little break in uh in somewhere because he punched a coworker, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:39.080 which are not allowed to do m hm um. And Evie. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.800 Evie also has this sort of sad moment where she 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.040 and Rosemary are sort of having these parallel nights where 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.040 they realize how hard it is to be a woman 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.920 alone in this society. And so she starts taking up 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:58.040 with this old guy named Gordon Gordon who love Gordon. 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.840 Just dude, What did he make of Gordon? Melissa? I 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.520 was just like, he's just a dude, right, He's just 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:08.920 a dude. I think, I mean, I think he has 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:13.400 some criminal relations because he has people like knocking at 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.280 his door. Um. But he takes her in as like 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:22.040 a like just she's sleeping in the second bedroom. I 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.760 think out of like the kindness of that, She's like, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.960 I think he implied oh, I thought they didn't want 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:35.280 In the movie, they weren't happy about it. Okay, No, 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:42.440 they have in this it looks like two this picture 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:50.000 right to show. It was like it's like out of 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:55.400 like an eighties like rom com, like up Here we Go, 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.840 Like it kind of looks like Helen Hunt a little 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:04.240 bit ages all of a sudden, evis forty in this 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.800 section of the and then she becomes baby at the 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.520 end of the book too. Um. But yeah, they they 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:14.360 have a little suburban time and he's like I need 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:17.080 to get I need to use that second room and 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:18.920 she's like, okay, I'll leave. He's like, you don't have 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.600 to leave. There's my bedrooms. I thought you didn't want 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:26.320 to and then they have intense sex. It seems like, well, 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.520 I feel very weird about the sexualization of Evin, sort 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.480 of like it seems like Evie on one hand, like 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:35.280 you know, needed sort of a man in this society 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.480 because being a woman on your own sex. But it's 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.680 like kind of cute. I don't like that. Ellen Moore again, 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:43.960 it is like it's daddy issues daddy, non murder daddy, 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:48.400 non murder daddy. That's better than the murder daddy. Get 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:55.280 murdered like immediately they like, I think it's like eight 0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:00.400 weeks six weeks later, up he gets murdered through a door. Um, 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:06.240 and then she's on her own again. I Am going 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.920 to go and make a box of chocolates for a statue. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:21.760 I'll be right back. This is when we meet um 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:26.800 Ali something, who's the the Ali Harper, who's the Scottish 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.879 gang leader. So we just sort of now enact to 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.600 you know, the players are coming to the board in 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.480 a chess metaphor and one of the you know, if 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.040 if Gordon is watch in Queen's game, I have answering 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.400 playing chess on chess dot com. Um, I'm really bad 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.200 at it. But like, so the other players now are 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.080 Ali Harper, who's the Scottish gangster, Creedy who's the new 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:54.440 head of the police, who's paying off Harper for like 0:17:54.640 --> 0:17:58.840 when the coup comes, you and your your gang members 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:03.359 will be behind me, and then uh, yeah, the gang 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:07.280 kills Gordon. Evie tries to get revenge because she's been 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.520 having a hell of a sixteen years. Life has been 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:13.800 hard for Evy, but before she can shoot, she is 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:18.600 uh apprehended. So, uh, Jennifer, do you want to take 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.040 it from there. About what happens to Evie after she 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.879 is caught trying to murder who they think is a 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:28.240 party member creedy, but she was actually going for it 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.800 the I think she was going for the gang guy. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.879 She loves to become the murder daddy. I'm going to 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.320 let somebody else to take it from there, Um, Melissa, 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:40.840 you want to take it. Sure, So she comes into 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.879 her power and become tries to become her own murder daddy, 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.880 and you just needed to repeat that line. And then 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:53.120 she gets got by an anonymous person. Um. And then 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:58.360 she has a funky dream. Um, such a fun real, 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:04.119 funky dream. A daddy is your dreams. Daddy is totally unnecessary. 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:09.160 Daddy is unnecessary. And then she's sorry quick energy felt 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:11.320 bad that I did not understand what was happening in 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:13.560 the funky dreams. So I'm glad that that was not 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.800 deeply It was like an amalgamation of like it was 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:21.240 the priest, her dad, it was v I think a 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.080 little bit. And she's like, she's about to have sex 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:28.199 with her dad. It's allah great. It's bad dream. I 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.520 will say on the record, I think most dream sequences 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:37.720 are bad and unnecessary. I agree. So she has a 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:42.520 weird dream, it goes on for too long. She wakes 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:46.800 up in a prison cell and she's with like, there 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:51.840 are these like guys that are interrogating her, and she's 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:58.600 blindfolded and she's starved and tortured. And then she's, uh, 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:04.400 does she shave her? They shave her head? Um, And 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:10.680 then she like she's like basically on the brink of death. Um, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.800 and I'm just kind of flipping through. So then she 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.080 reads this letter and maybe someone else should pick up. 0:20:18.119 --> 0:20:21.439 So she finds in her prison cell handwritten letter. So 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:24.600 a few a few just like details I think you 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.040 but that I want to just make clear is she 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.520 is kidnapped and put in a what we what we 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.439 spoiler alert believed to be a government prison. You know, 0:20:33.480 --> 0:20:36.560 the government stuff is on the wall, the guards are there. 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.280 She has been captured by the government and they're interrogating 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.800 her like you were, you know, trying to shoot involved 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.280 with creating you're involved in this murder. You know, you're 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.679 involved at this terrorist named V. We have you know, 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:51.600 CCTV of you and the terrorists V. They're trying to 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.439 enshow her. The video I think was really key in 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:57.880 terms of making her belief because this government has it's 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:01.199 the I, the nose, the mouth, the fingers, all of that, 0:21:01.240 --> 0:21:04.159 and it's like very clearly the eye. So they know 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.520 she's associated with her. But now she's in prison. Uh, 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:11.600 they you know, shave her, they torture her, they're interrogating her. 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:14.280 They like I don't know what it's called, like waterboarding 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:18.359 when they put your head in like like forward water boarding. 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.000 And then she finds like a scrap of toilet paper 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.679 in the corner scrolled up and that's when like a 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.120 in a like mouse hole in the corner, and that's 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:30.840 where she gets, uh this story, And Karama, do you 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:34.800 want to give us Valerie's story if you don't mind, Yeah, 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.159 I don't mind it all. Valerie story is actually one 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:39.800 of my favorite parts. And again not to get too 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:42.880 far into the movie, but it did feel very much 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.960 the same in the movie, and I'm glad because I 0:21:45.000 --> 0:21:48.280 think it's so powerful the way that it exists. So 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.439 there's a there's been a rat in eb cell this 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.520 whole time, and that's sort of like the repeated thing 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:56.720 in the beginning. She's like, there's a rat, there's a rat. 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.240 There's a rat. And in the little hidie hole where 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.880 the rat you really is that she's focusing on. That's 0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:04.199 sort of like the only thing that she has to 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.600 think about other than torture is this piece of toilet 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:11.040 paper and Valerie is the name of the person who 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.040 writes it. Evie does that thing that I hate where 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.400 she goes straight to the end to find out what's 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:18.720 going to happen, and see said it's signed Valerie, and 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:22.640 she says, I don't know who you are, and uh, 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.240 I may never see you. And I can't convince you 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.680 that this is real and it's not one of their tricks. 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:30.399 But this is my story and I have to tell it. 0:22:30.440 --> 0:22:32.600 This is the only autobiography I'm ever going to write. 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.760 I hit a tiny pencil inside my body so they 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:38.000 couldn't find it, and I'm writing this on toilet paper. 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:42.480 And she talks about how um she was born in 0:22:42.560 --> 0:22:45.720 the fifties, in the late fifties, and she fell in 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.040 love in middle school with this girl named Sarah, and 0:22:49.280 --> 0:22:51.199 she got a talking to at school. They're like, this 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.280 is normal for young girls to sort of have these 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.879 strong feelings for each other. You'll outgrow it, and it 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:00.280 says Sarah outgrew it. I didn't. And then she takes 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.000 a woman home to meet her parents. Her parents disown 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:06.320 her and they say that she's broken their heart, and 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.440 then she's like, I don't care. I have to be 0:23:08.480 --> 0:23:11.000 true to myself and like, I have my integrity and 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.320 what's important to me is my integrity and I and 0:23:14.400 --> 0:23:16.800 she moved out to become a movie star. And actually, 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:19.040 one of the things I really appreciated about this was 0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.159 earlier in the book. In book one, there was a 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.520 poster for a movie called The Salt Flats, and I 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:27.000 was like, what does that seem familiar to me? And 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:30.080 because I had seen the movie before and they mentioned it. 0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:32.880 And so she started in this movie called the Salt Flats, 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:35.080 and she met the love of her life, this woman 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.640 named Ruth, on set for the Salt Flats, and they 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.080 moved in together and there were roses all the time, 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:43.119 and she was so happy. And then they started to 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:47.000 take people away, and they were taking away black people, 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:49.240 and I'm sure they were taking away other people of 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.200 color too, but I think they mostly say black people 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.200 in this Uh, they were taking away black people, and 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.280 they were taking away queer people. So they got Ruth 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:01.680 while she was out shopping and Ruth then implicated Valerie 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:04.480 and said, she seduced me. Uh, this is where she is, 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:08.280 but they tortured I have to say they did. It's 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:12.840 not like waiting to give it up. Yeah, she was 0:24:13.320 --> 0:24:17.960 immediately after exactly. Yeah, And sort of Valerie ties that 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:20.119 back to the idea of integrity, and she's like, she 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.840 gave away that last inch of herself, her integrity, and 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.160 that's what Ruth couldn't live with. And I will say 0:24:25.240 --> 0:24:28.879 Valerie also does not blame Ruth for it. She specifically says, 0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:34.480 I don't blame her. I understand. Uh. So Valerie talks 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:38.440 about being in this cell and this is the moment 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:41.159 where I realized reading it. I already knew because I 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.320 had seen the movie. I know what happens, but this 0:24:43.400 --> 0:24:45.399