WEBVTT - #132 - Token 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:13.200 Brolan Pell Pil pil Pill. Hey, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:16.279 to the motherfucking Bootleg keV Podcast. Goddamn it, goddamn it, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.040 god damn it. Hey, listen, we got a dope episode 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.079 today with the homie Token. Token is a dope up 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:25.880 and coming artist. He's been doing this thing for shit 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:28.960 some years now, but he just signed with Atlantic, just 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:32.680 put his new album out that is a super dope 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.800 Go check that shit. Out shout out to our sponsor 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.080 before we get into the interview, we got a shout 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.960 out to odd Socks. They've just been dropping so much 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:40.680 heat at odd Socks. They just put out a whole 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:42.720 bunch of new socks. 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Bang Yah Bootleg keV Show. 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.480 We got a special guest here, my guy Token. Hey, 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:30.480 your new albums. It's officially out, man, your major label debut. Yeah. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:35.360 How's it feel, man? It feels I don't know, kind 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:37.280 of feels the same. Like, I mean, I've just been 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.840 working on for so long, so it just it just 0:01:40.840 --> 0:01:42.560 feels good to be out. I've been working on the 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:46.800 music for so long, and I'm just what feels the 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.080 most different is that people just finally have it, and 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:51.680 your fans have been waiting for this for a while 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:56.440 so long. Yeah, and like it just feels I'm just 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.400 happy to have it and breaking it down and listening 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:02.320 to it, and most I'm excited. You said on the 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:08.120 album that you signed the deal when you lost your ambition. Yeah. Yeah, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:09.880 it wasn't like I signed the deal when I lost 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.160 my ambition, But when you signed the deal, maybe you 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:13.800 were in a tough place as far as when I 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:15.600 signed the deal was in a great I was in 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.640 a great place like when I when I made the 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.120 decision I was going to sign. But no, where that 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.360 line came from was just what was happening in my life. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:26.280 And basically you got to like listen to the the 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.799 album as a whole to like understand it. But it 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.200 wasn't It was had nothing to do with my career. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.560 Like the last two years have just been like crazy 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.919 for me, Like I've grown up a lot, A lot 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.120 has happened, you know, like the beginning, a lot of 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.280 people know me from shit I did as like a teenager, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:47.440 so this like like turning twenty and like the last 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:49.560 two years, for real, I've just been like crazy, So 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.760 you're not even twenty one yet. No, I'm twenty three now, 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:59.080 wait what the fuck I'm like, So what that line 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:01.680 is about is just like I was really for real 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.640 just like dealing with the catalysts of it was like 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:09.280 my first breakup that ever like been through, and that 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.440 just like it showed me a lot by myself because 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:14.720 it was like the first time like I just I 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.160 don't know, I was like really by myself and I 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:21.360 learned a lot by myself and it just it just 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.400 woke up all these parts of me that I haven't 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.680 seen since I was like real young. So at that time, 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.720 like it was just weird how so many things were 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.640 happening at the same time. It was like this my 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.040 first relationship ended. I got a crib, I got a whip, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.240 I got the deal, but I had no one to 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.600 like really share, man, So it was like a lot 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:44.280 of and then shit gone with my mom and then 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.360 my sister, and it was like I kept getting tested 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:50.960 and then I just I just really like it was 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:54.240 a journey, bro, But it turned out amazing, because like 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.000 I just feel like I feel like I'm not living 0:03:57.080 --> 0:04:00.600 through my career really anymore. Because when I was younger, 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:02.800 you know, a lot of people know me. When I 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.640 was like a teenager, I'm like, You're trying to fit 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:09.120 in every cipher, going crazy rapid round, improve myself. Like 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:10.920 I'm just trying to make it. I forget what tour 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.080 I what to What tour were you on early on 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.560 Option I saw, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was on just 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.400 like just trying to prove myself, just trying to make it. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:26.800 And it was honest at the time, but like now 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.960 it's just not about It's just not about like proving anymore, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.720 Like I don't really feel like I have anything to prove, 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.440 and whether people like know it or not, I'm not 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:39.960 here because of how I can spit like people might 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.359 not know that, but I'm here because of like the 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.880 way I write in my perspective and the life I've lived. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.960 And now it's just feels like everything at this point 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:53.440 is like synchronizing, like I really feel I really feel 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:55.520 me again, Like I don't feel like I'm living through 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.320 my career. My last project. I know I'm written, but bro, 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:06.080 last project you know is I feel this way because 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.279 of my career. This girl looks at me because of 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.400 my career. It's literally called between somewhere. It's like I'm 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.880 between fame and a normal person. It's like, I'm all 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.240 this is because of my career, and then with this one, 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:20.359 it's just like, Bro, I feel this way because I'm me, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.080 this people, this person looks at me because I'm me, 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:27.400 Like I really feel mean now I forget what the 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.880 fuck you even not what you just said. We know 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.920 a lot of people who were probably fans of who 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.480 could rap really really good, but don't have any real fans, 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:39.720 Like they're like they don't they can't tour, they can't 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.280 sell much, but they could rap really good. So when 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.640 you said like I'm not here because I could rap, 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.160 I mean, yeah, you obviously you're very talented, right, but 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.440 you're obviously people relate to your story, people connect with 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 you as a human being more than anything, which is 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.359 why you actually are at this point. Because if you 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.039 if you didn't have a fan base, if you know, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.039 you know what I mean, probably what are you gonna 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.160 you probably wrap it and doing a day job working 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.320 at a call center. I'm just I'm just lucky to 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.640 have the fans that I do for real, like the 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:11.400 you know that just love me for me and you 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.840 know I've gone like viral with just the rapping ship. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.360 But the reason I can sell as many tickets I can, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:20.760 and the reason like I just have this base is 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:26.000 is because I think it's it's I'm gonna need to 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.480 be like forty to like really wrap my head around 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:31.080 like my life and everything that's going on. But but 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.080 I think it's just because I'm just like I'm just 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:36.799 trying to tell the truth, and especially with this new album, 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.320 like there's a lot of truth telling on the album. Man, 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:42.320 that was that was the only problem An adulterated just 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:44.960 I was like, shit, he's letting them, He's letting some 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.000 ship fly. I'm just at the I'm just at the 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.279 point now where if it's just not the truth, it's 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.359 just not fire to me. Like there's a lot of 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.760 things I'm trying to accomplish, like of course I want 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:57.120 to make the best records, like be a bigger artist, 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.520 Like of course I'm trying to do that as well. 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.400 But shit, I could just, for real, when I was younger, 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.440 I could just like not tell the truth easier, like 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.840 when you're young, like you lie, Like I wasn't that 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.680 far from like lying to my mom about like what 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:13.400 I'm doing, And shit, I was just used to more. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.400 Not that I was lying, but you know, I used 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.880 to rap like I want to rip, I want to 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:24.000 beat these rappers and competition, like but for real, in reality, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:25.960 I never looked at this shit like competition. I don't 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.960 give a fuck what anybody else is doing. I just 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.080 knew people were like into that shit. Now it's like 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:33.360 every time, if like I think of a line and 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:36.400 it's not true, I can't say it. It's like it's 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:41.200 not fire to me unless it's just like the truth, yo, 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.200 the It feels like the breakup you went through motivated 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.680 a lot of this music. And I always say, through 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.160 heartbreak we've gotten some of the best hit just music 0:07:53.360 --> 0:07:56.080 in general ever, you know, my beautiful, dark, twisted Fantasy. 0:07:56.840 --> 0:07:58.400 We could go on and on down the line, but 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.760 like how much of that specific situation was like the 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.960 catalyst for just the inspiration of the project. It was 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.560 just that it woke you know, when you're in a relationship, 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.920 you kind of I shouldn't speak for other people, like 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:15.800 for me, like I was just it was really a 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.760 part of me. It's like part of my identity. And 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.360 I was in the thing. It was like my first relationship, 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:23.760 and I made a lot of mistakes with it, and 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.840 like I strung this girl around and shit, and like 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:28.920 she so she was like a big part of my 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.120 life for a while. And it wasn't that I'm so 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:34.720 sad about this breakup. It's that it being by myself 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.240 for the first time, Like it woke these things up 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:42.240 in myself, and you know, I had to go down 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:46.480 some some like negative shits, Like that's what the whole 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.000 Like Pink is Better is is like pink is like 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.400 represent it represents a lot, but it's like the balance 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.760 of these two two sides, that these two like roads 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.160 that I went down to within the last within the 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.480 last like two years. One of them is like this 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:08.559 red hot fun shit, you know, having new crib space, 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.480 I can do whatever the fuck I want to here 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.000 my neighbors are so far away, like I can really 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:17.600 like have fun, like real fun for the first time. 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.400 And then this other thing that woke up with me 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:24.160 is like just feeling like I never really feel defeated, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.320 Like I'm a very confident person, but when I was younger, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:29.640 I used to feel defeated, Like that's what brought me 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.000 music and shit. I used to just like want to 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:36.120 give up, bro real And what the breakup did was 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.320 made me feel like I failed in something. And then 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.160 that's feeling of failure. That's what the line you brought 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:44.320 up is connected to. Like it just made me feel 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:46.600 like it just reminded me of like what it even 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:50.040 feels like to like, damn, failure is an option, and 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.160 it led me down this road of just like feeling 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.800 like I'm not that I would give up, but just 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.360 like down on myself. And that represents like the white side, 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.360 like the white flag side, like giving up and shit. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.319 So that's kind of the whole album is like themed 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:03.960 about these two rows that went down, and the whole 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:06.520 album was like, you know, I want people to like 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.400 decide their own shit about it, but it's really about 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.120 finding the balance of you can still have fun, you 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.400 can still be in touch with your emotions, but don't 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.200 know d on it, Like I have a tendency to 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.440 owe d on shit. Like listen, man, I think that 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.120 this is the kind of project that like could change 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.439 your life because I feel like there's not a lot 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.240 of music coming out that is very relatable that people 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.959 are very vulnerable on, that are like honest and you're 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.560 very honest on this body work. Talk about this caught 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:38.480 on camera record? No one asked me about that one. Yeahah, 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.200 the caught on camera record. Now I listened to it, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.880 and did you get caught on camera fucking some of somebody? 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:51.800 What is this record about? Caught on camera? It's like 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.480 the catalyst from my breakup? Yeah, okay, so what happened? 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:57.840 So you just I mean listen, you put it on 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:02.160 the album, so we you know, yeah, yeah, she just 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.839 like saw some ship. So you got caught on camera 0:11:04.960 --> 0:11:08.640 doing something like was it like a sex tape or 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.400 was it like you know, you're out and somebody is 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:13.400 put you on the story and you're with a bitch 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:17.800 on this you know that happens, Like yes to both 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.840 of those. So it was a sex tape and that 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.000 uh yeah, damn man, you you're a wild boy. How 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.360 did did something? Did someone did you have? Like let's 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.760 break down, this was the sex tape on your phone? 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.000 Or did someone send it to her? Did I already 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.719 confirm that was a sex tape? I feel like I 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:41.960 didn't even do that. You just did? You said yes 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:48.200 to both. I don't like subscribe to this, by the way, 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.040 but at that point in my life, it's just so 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.800 much news shit going on, and like what I've learned about, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.280 like what I've learned about something in me is like, well, 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:03.920 my life is fast, and there's a lot of exciting shit. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.880 It's it's moving. It's like a lot of like crazy 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:12.679 shows and crazy experiences. I always try to like match 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.360 that energy with some shit. I always try to because 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.240 it's like when you get fit, because I've been like 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.200 I've had really highs, like really big highs, Like I 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.920 probably lived more than I should have with this level 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.199 of fame. I'm that because I feel like only people 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.160 know me as like my fans right now. But I've 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:33.840 lived like a lot of shit has gone on, so 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:38.520 so you know, I've done shit where it's like you 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.160 if you haven't lived it it, I think it's just 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.240 kind of hard to understand. But when these big highs 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.160 of like performing and everybody like needing something from you, 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:52.320 it's it's very quick to for me, at least to 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.880 feel very low afterward. Like I've had like shows where 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.760 it's like the highest I've ever been, and then I 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.640 it in the tour bus. I just cry or I 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.040 just like go my go to the bathroom and just 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:09.120 like be so down. So what the only thing that 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.280 like makes that makes that going from here to going 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.000 from here, like what I tried to do in my 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.680 life is like stay the fuck up there with some shit, 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.360 and that just makes you make decisions that are like 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.280 not within your character, you know. So I think at 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:28.360 this point like I know how to balance it a 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:33.000 little more. The difference is back then I felt very 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:37.480 like my eyes were so big, like like the last project. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:41.000 The last project, I'm like whoa, like this girl thinks 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:45.160 this and and you got groupies now and this money 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.400 or female fans that are willing to show you how 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.680 appreciative of just your music they are. But whatever, even 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.640 it is like you know, like whatever, And I was 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.400 like I treated every famous person I met. It was like, 0:13:58.440 --> 0:13:59.920 this is I got to take advantage of this upper 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.760 This is so much bigger than me. Now I feel 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:06.560 like I belong here. This is what I'm this is 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.800 what my this is. It doesn't feel so far fetched anymore. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.880 If this was an interview where I was doing this 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.000 like three years ago, I would be nervous. I'd be like, 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.280 make sure you're come across the right way. Now I 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.280 don't really give a fuck because I know I'm here 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.280 for like me, like this is probably the first time 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.640 like this press shit I'm doing that. My friends are 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:27.560 gonna watch these interviews and they can be like, that's 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.960 my friend yourself, yeah, the last one that the I mean, 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:32.480 I don't really watch my old interviews, but I have 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:34.080 a feeling like my friends would be like, oh, I 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.120 see what he's doing. He's trying to like do his business, 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.000 he's trying to like but now it's just like I 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.640 don't I know I'm here to be me, so I'm 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.120 just be me. That's how I'm really gonna survive. That's 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.960 how I'm really gonna last. Because I can rewrite history. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.520 I can. I can try to recreate history and wrap 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.640 and go viral. I know what it's like to go viral. 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:52.920 I know what it's like to do that. I've done it. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:54.960 I've seen what it does. It's cool for a week, 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.520 But if it's not you it, it doesn't feel as 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:01.360 good as you think it does. What feels good is 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.040 this album. And even if it doesn't do what I 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.720 wanted to do. But if there's some people who say, like, bro, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:09.920 I love that song, that's like someone saying I love you, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.480 That's what it feels like. So I feel so much 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:14.400 better now. I just feel because you're like this, this 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.120 album is me. This is my life right now. Yeah, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:21.080 I have nothing high Like that's dope. Man. You talked 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:24.760 a lot about your family on the album. For people 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:26.240 who don't know, I kind of give us like a 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.200 little breakdown of like where you come from, Like you 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:31.040 know what I'm saying, like where you're from and yeah, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:32.840 and just kind of some of your come up. Yeah, 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:36.920 I'm originally from Salem, Massachusetts, but I spent like the 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.080 majority of like my forming years in this like small 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:45.120 town Marblehead. Basically, my parents were together in Salem. My 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.760 mom my mom was born in my I think my 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.160 mom was born in Salem for real. She was born 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:53.120 in Massachusetts, and she always talks about the Salem with shit, 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.320 so she was born around there somewhere. Yeah. But I 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:58.360 but I for real spent like most of my like 0:15:58.400 --> 0:15:59.920 I went to school. I ended up going to scho 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.040 go to Marblehood because I was staying with my mom. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:03.680 My dad stayed in Salem, so I was kind of 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.080 bouncing back and forth. But my my like friends and 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.880 shit that I developed, we're in Marblehead and shit, Like 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.360 you know, people have it like much more like hard 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.240 than me and stuff. But I was just always like 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.920 a kid who just just felt a lot like it 0:16:18.960 --> 0:16:23.040 was like you know, I just I just always felt 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:27.520 very like overflowed, like I always I always felt very 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.480 different and like it's hard to ex like I had. 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.280 You know, it wasn't the crazies. Shit in my house. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.400 There's a lot of fights. There's fights about money and everybody. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:37.840 You know, I grow up from a family that everyone's 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:43.480 on like medication and shit. For feelings and stuff. So 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.920 that's where I come from. Like I come from a 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:50.520 very emotional family, and I think that's why I like 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:54.160 feel a lot. But you know, and I was just 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.520 a kid who at a young age. I know it 0:16:57.560 --> 0:17:01.200 sounds stupid, but when I was like like starting when 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:02.840 I was like or maybe starting when I was like 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.200 six or five, like, I was just so sad, Like 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:09.440 every day I woke up, it was just like fuck this, 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:12.040 Like I just and I know it sounds silly because 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:14.200 you think yourself when you're six, but I'm telling you, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.680 like every day I was just like, wow, am I here? Bro? 0:17:17.840 --> 0:17:21.359 Like I just felt like I like, there wasn't a 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:25.199 day I didn't like just cry about my life. And 0:17:25.240 --> 0:17:27.560 then but really that's what brought me to writing about it, 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:29.800 and it just made me feel so much better. I 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:32.160 literally just felt overploned. I had to write about it, 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.920 and it made me feel better. So one thing led 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.720 to another. It found form in music, and then my 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:45.120 earliest songs are just me like talking about like sad shit. Yeah, 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.840 I mean I kind of remember like listening to some 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.440 of your shit and like not really remembering there being books. Yeah. 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.000 Well it's funny because like I'm saying when I'm like 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.400 ten eleven twelve thirteen, you were rapping at that point. Yeah, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.240 I was releasing songs. I was like on you two 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.680 by ten, ten eleven, twelve thirteen, all my songs were 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.399 like I'm sad, and then fourteen is like no. I 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:12.359 was like, no one is, no one is listening, Like 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:14.119 I was just getting like clown down in school and 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.480 stuff and like I didn't get it. Wasn't like getting attention. 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.399 And then I ended up like losing like a bunch 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.720 of weight at that age, and it showed me that 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.240 like if you work hard towards something like you can 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.239 get it. And I'm like what am I? And then 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.639 I decided like I'm gonna try this music shit. And 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.720 then I tried to like really think about it, and 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:35.520 I was like, what do people actually want to see? 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.320 And then I was like, oh, people just want to 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.520 see like that this little white cake can rap, Like 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.200 That's what I was thinking. And then it started working short, 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.600 So yeah, so one thing led to another where it's 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:47.920 just like, oh, they want to see I can rap. 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.280 They want to see I can rap, and just and 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.160 now I got this bass that like there's a lot 0:18:53.160 --> 0:18:55.720 of people that just want to see me rap, but 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.359 they don't like the beginning, the core of this shit. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.240 Why am I even doing this? Why I need this 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:05.480 is because writing about my shit. So that's what this 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:07.240 album is like. That's why I feel it was like 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.680 better because I feel like Ben again, Like I haven't 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.119 felt like Ben since I was like thirteen. Now you 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:14.960 know wait wait wait? How old were you when you 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.320 went on Sway? Because that was that was I feel 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.840 like that was kind of like a moment that changed 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:22.720 things for you. I changed things for me. Yeah, I 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.400 think I was seventeen. Who was in the room when 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.520 you were rapping? Because there was someone else there? There 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:30.479 was Tracy G was there another? I feel like there 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.440 were other rappers. Was there another rapper that was there? 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.280 That was there were two other rappers? Do you remember 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.520 who they were? I don't, but shout out to them. 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:41.840 I love you guys, no disrespect. They're killing it. Yeah. No, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:44.639 I remember seeing that and being like, oh shit, this 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.040 is you just look so unassuming and just like like 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.199 someone like I grew up with nervous. Yeah. I was 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.400 just trying to I just the opportunity felt so much 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:54.359 bigger than me, so I just like had to go crazy. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:56.600 How like, when do you feel like you started to 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.800 kind of break out of the quote unquote because you 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:03.359 kind to had pointed out that people would didn't you 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.040 have a song called YouTube rapper? Yeah? Yeah, so and 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.320 I remember that was like a thing. Yeah, because I'm 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:10.639 tight with Futuristic who's from Phoenix, and people will call 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:12.800 him a YouTube rapper. And then there's guys like Das 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.920 who are called you know, like, but I feel like 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.280 you kind of break broke that mold? What what like? 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.119 When when did that happen where you felt like you 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.440 kind of finally started to kind of shake that that. Yeah, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:28.399 I don't know if they really ever like people people 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.040 never was like he's a YouTube rapper because they knew 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.760